/vr/ - Retro Games

An XEye.

>>4077306
Why?

Model 1

>>4077310
No need to worry about the SEGA CD mess. I just emulate these days but I liked the XEye I had. Cool start up.

>>4077303
model 1 absolutely, though I do enjoy 2's symmetry

>>4077303
Model 1, it looked prettier and it had the nice headphone jack.
Also, on some models, the audio and video are supposedly better than later models.

>inb4 Model 1 outputs mono audio only
The headphone jack outputs stereo audio, and you can use a 3.5mm to RCA cable to plug it to your TV or audio receiver, and the HD Retrovision cables even have a 3.5mm jack to plug a 3.5mm male to male cable from the headphone jack to upgrade the audio output of the cables (which would usually be mono) to stereo.

>>4077315
You mean the extra cords? That's a good point.
>>4077316
I like that the cartridge slot isn't as deep on the model 2, and the red buttons look good, in my opinion.

The Model 1 has a 90s feel you can't beat. It's very impractical, but also has a very eye grabbing design. Meanwhile, the model 2 has a very sleek design that looks good from a modern view, but overall, it's just so forgettable. There's nothing that contrasts or grabs my eye. It's just smooth plastic.

Model 1 is my personal favorite.

>>4077303
Model two looks like a black snes :]

>>4077319
The systems that say High Definition Graphics - Stereo Sound and have an EXT. port have the better sound I think.

The model 1 is compatible with the much better looking Master System Converter (model 1), while it doesn't fit on the model 2. The second model Master System Converter may match the model 2 well, but it just doesn't look all that great.

>>4077331
Yeah, my Genesis is the one that says High Definition Graphics - Stereo Sound, and it sounds glorious.
And the Model 1 is pretty much better in every way.

>>4077303
THE MEGA STAR CRUISER DESTROYER BATTLESHIP BIG ZAM

>>4077339
The model 2 fits better onto the more reliable second Mega CD, and it is smaller. But these have been done better by other models of the system, which had the Mega CD built onto them.

>>4077320
>You mean the extra cords? That's a good point.
Ya and size. These days there's sound mods so I doubt there much reasons to get either a model 1 or 2 over the other. I never mess with those mods though.

I'll always have a soft spot for the XEye though.

>>4077343
Wow! That actually looks really nice!

>>4077345
The Model 2 Sega CD still fits well with a Model 1 Sega Genesis.

>>4077343
ONCE THE BIG ZEGA IS MASS PRODUCED THEY WILL PUT A STOP TO NINTENDO IN NO TIME

>>4077352
>The Model 2 Sega CD still fits well with a Model 1 Sega Genesis.
But you need the base extension. I think the model 1 Mega CD looks a lot better than the model 2, however.

>>4077303
Ignoring the Sega CD and 32X? I'd say, Model 1 gets my vote.
Just look at that thing! It looks like a futuristic panther that was designed by Depeche Mode.

2 wasn't bad, but model 3 perfected the "simplified Genesis" concept.

>>4077356
Zega was the most /m/etal console ever

Every model console 1 was better then model 2.
Model2 only have small size and low price.

Wondermega is sexy a f
built in karaoke
shame it costs $599

>>4077398
some model 1's have model 2 hardware inside and sound like robot farts.

>>4077303
I like the aesthetics of the Model 1 more than 2. I also read the default audio of the early model 1s are pretty good, but all of them can be fixed with a MegaAmp mod.


>>4077306
Sadly, in my area, everyone preferred Nintendo, so Genesis systems were no better than garbage. My X'eye was tossed out and I found it in an alley (it's still the only way I can play SegaCDs so I love it). The model 2 was given for free because no one wants it (I don't want it either aside from its power source which was needed for my 32X at the time, so I am thinking of using its shell to practice console painting when I have the time).


>>4077343
I find this setup pretty fucking cool!


>>4077401
I got my WonderMega because I thought it looked so good in pics I saw in EGM. Bought for aesthetics alone. Due to the system not being popular in Japan it dropped to $100USD but in those days another $100USD to ship via EMS from Japan (they refused to ship less than EMS, but I did get it in 3 days on a holiday!). I still love the system, but it is the only variation of the Genesis that does not have a jack that outputs RGB by default and I have to settle for S-video.

>>4077398

>>4077402
This. For the record it's the VA7 board revision with the power in and video out moved closer together. That one is honestly the worst Megadrive of them all, it has literally no redeeming features whatsoever.

>>4077331
The Model 1's with a flat surface where the EXT port used to be have the same audio chip as the HD models.

model 2 chan

Basically any Model 1 bar the VA7 pictured above is good.

Best revision of Model 2 is the VA4 which can be identified by a 3/4 width rf shield with two cutouts as pictured here.

>not playing Sonic 2 on your Aiwa stereo
I shiggy diggy

>>4077331
If it says High Definition Graphics then it's guaranteed to have good sound, but it's not necessarily true that all Model 1's that don't say that have shitty sound. The only way to know for sure is opening the bastard up. If the mobo looks like a Model 2's you're fucked.
I have a non-HD Graphics model 1 and it also has the higher quality sound.

>>4077343

>>4079693

>>4080701
fuck this thing,
only reason i haven't pawned it off is cuz its easy to set up and it can play imports.
the original consoles through RF look and sound better than this crummy emulation box

>>4077303

Model 2 Genesis looks somewhat like the original model. SNES's 2nd model looks like a cheap Chinese knockoff.

The Model 1 is straight up 90s AESTHETIC. I like the cleaner look of the Model 2 and the fact that you can have both expansions match (the 32X has similar lines to the Model 2 and looks a little weird on a Model 1), and that the matching Sega CD isn't an overpriced failure prone piece of shit.
But the model 1 is more nostalgic to me and always the first thing that I imagine when someone says "Sega consoles".

>>4080957
Aren't those hardware clones, and not emulation boxes?

>>4079693
>those pants
Gets me every time.

>>4080985
so does model 3

>>4081084
it's emulation on a chip, and it's garbage

Is this region free like SNES?

>>4077303
The best one is a Model 1 that says High Definition Audio or something around the black circle surrounding the cartridge slot. It supposedly has better audio than every other model. I can't really tell the difference but that particular model 1 is my every day driver to impress my fake online friends.

>>4081279
'On-a-Chip' hardware clones aren't emulation. They're not good, but it's not like it's running emulation on an ARM core or something. Some of those SEGA consoles do the ARM emulation thing, if I'm not mistaken, but not that model, last I checked.

>>4081882
It has wrong audio, total incompatibility with some games such as Konami games, can't save to battery backup, distorted and double pixels in low resolution mode, a myriad of problems.

>>4077303
Those are clearly Genesis systems.

>>4081990
They're the same thing, you fucking idiot.

>>4082036
No they're not, one is slow letterboxed Euroshit.

>>4082039
Mega Drives can also be never twice the same colour, you know.

>>4082039
>I'm fully incapable of cutting two traces on the mainboard

I love the fact the CDX works with everything.

>>4077343
>combining consoles

Based

What's the difference between every Mega Drive version? I mean, what electronics components changed and why and what's the implications of the change

>>4081882
>They're not good,

Why not? Is it impossible to fully replicate the original Mega Drive, without getting absolute shit sound?

Since Sega doesn't make them anymore, it'd be cool if we had perfect replicas on-demand manufactured or something, but they have to be good, not that tectoy crap

>>4084881
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?7796-GUIDE-Telling-apart-good-Genesis-1s-and-Genesis-2s-from-bad-ones

>>4077343
>no game genie

A critical oversight, you disgust me

>>4077343
I want to see this but with Micro Machines rather than VR and a couple of extra controllers...or maybe a multitap or two...

>>4084902
>>4084995
maybe this is more your speed

>>4085005
Ugh, no

>>4078516
Interesting console, sweet controller.

>>4085005
I'm curious as to how well one of those things work.

So long as you get the audio from the headphone jack on model 1 you're good to go. Model 2 outputs stereo from the rear ports so it's fine already.
I think the model 1 is the more a e s t h e t i c choice

>>4085005
How the fuck does that even work?

>>4085098
I feel like I've answered this exact question quite a few times today. The cartridge just contains a computer that runs a genesis emulator. Plugging into a SNES is just a gimmick (and lets you use the same controllers I guess). Many of those cards require you to connect a video cable directly to the cartridge, since the systems they emulate may have different color palette, image resolution, etc. limitations. The Super Gameboy is a similar kind of thing, except since the Gameboy is so much simpler than the SNES, the SGB can use the SNES's normal graphics hardware to output the sprites and tiles to a confined area in the center of the screen.

TL;DR it's not as cool or interesting as you think. It might as well be a raspberry pi.

>>4085097
VA7 Model 1 is still a pile of shit no matter what port you draw audio from.

Seriously, avoid it.

>>4085105
>I feel like I've answered this exact question quite a few times today
You might want to stop, because it's a 'Genesis-on-a-Chip' hardware clone and not at all similar to a raspberry pi, or any other device that works via software emulation for that matter.

>>4085138
Interdasting.

Does the SNES cartridge port have a direct line to the VDP or something? How does it interface?

>>4085121
In what way?

>>4085138
That's a nuance that flies above the heads of people who think these things are somehow making Genesis games run on SNES hardware. It's not like a Power Base Converter for Genesis. All of the hardware that executes the game is inside of the cartridge. A raspberry pi is an example of a well known computer system that is small enough to imagine fitting inside a game cartridge, which I use as an illustration.

System-on-a-chip clones are just as hated on /vr/ as emulation machines.

>>4085148
>Does the SNES cartridge port have a direct line to the VDP or something? How does it interface?
The super gameboy puts tiles on the screen just like an ordinary SNES game, which works fine as gameboy graphics are low-color and low resolution. I don't know about this one specifically but many of them just output their own video from a port on the cartridge.
Since Genesis has completely different color capabilities compared to SNES, I would hope they are using a separate video output.

>>4085157
It has early model 2 hardware in a model 1 shell.

See >>4077540 and >>4084894

>>4085061
>>4085098
Genesis on a chip that uses the SNES for I/O and video output seemingly.

Model 2 looks more like what I think of when someone says video game console, but model 1 is more memorable because of that. I like model 2 a bit more because of how streamlined it is.

>>4085158
I understand how it works, I literally just corrected you about it. Your 'explanation' is not a 'nuance', it's not an 'illustration', it's just wrong. Hardware clones have existed for decades, it's not some new wild technology that needs a bizarre misinformation campaign to help people 'understand'. What's the point of telling people lies? You're not explaining or 'illustrating' anything by telling someone some total bullshit, and you're going to get called out about it. Misinformation is just as hated on /vr/ as emulation machines and hardware clones.

>>4085283
That cart is nothing more than a cheap gimmick and no amount of posturing will make it otherwise.

I'm going to put a raspberry pi inside the cartridge slot of my NES and take a picture of it running some ugly linux game so that you will understand.

>>4077303
>model 1

>>4077303
whats a megadrive?
[troll font]

>>4085303
Understand what? You're not even refuting my claim, I never said it wasn't a gimmick, that wasn't the discussion at hand. I simply said you were absolutely wrong about how it functions, and you've been unable to deny that because you were indeed dead wrong, and trying to instill your 'knowledge' on others who were asking for information about how it worked at that. You're doing a disservice to those who asked the question by spreading total bullshit. Do whatever you want with a raspberry pi, that doesn't magically make the RetroGen not a hardware clone, or make you any less wrong. You said something dumb, I corrected you, you don't have anything left to prove.

>>4085416
I actually know quite a bit about how devices of this kind and consumer electronics in general function. I also know that you are doing a disservice to the curious by muddling simple issues (the distinction between a clone-in-a-cart and actual compatibility a la power base converter or famicom/NES adapters) with a distinction that is meaningless to the non-technical (as both introduce the same set of issues that even the non-technical on /vr/ are well-trained to avoid).

>>4085532
I didn't muddle those issues whatsoever. Don't put words in my mouth. You're significantly underestimating the average intelligence of /vr/. Taking such a patronizing tone, especially when you're fundamentally wrong, is certainly not gaining you any admirers. It's OK to admit when you're wrong, even on 4chan.

>>4085545
>TL;DR it's not as cool or interesting as you think. It might as well be a raspberry pi.

>>4085548
I never insinuated that it was either, my posts are quite clear. You said it was a software emulation based clone, which is completely incorrect, I then corrected you by stating that it's actually a hardware clone. It's as simple as that.

>>4085558
Sure, and the answer to the question that was originally asked is still >>4085548

>>4085569
A more appropriate answer would be; "It's a 'system-on-a-chip' hardware clone."

>>4085532
I'm the guy who asked the question (>>4085098). I know the difference between a system-on-a-chip and a Raspberry Pi. I know how and why the power base converter works. I'm a computer systems programmer with over 5 years of experience. Go ahead and describe exactly how the retrogen works. Don't worry about explaining away any nuances. If I feel I don't understand something, I'll either research it on my own or post further questions on this thread.

>>4085574
A raspberry pi is an example of a SoC. Just not one that is designed as a clone of a specific game console. As far as I can tell the only thing you have taken issue with is the fact that the processor in a raspberry pi uses a different architecture from 68k. You are drawing a distinction about processor architectures in a discussion about a cheap gimmick designed to fool exactly the people who don't know about such things.

I personally think it would be more instructive to explain the differences between Genesis and SFC architecture that make the kind of "conversion" falsely promised by this "adapter" impossible, as opposed to attacking a single indirect (multiply indirected, even) comparison that you happen to disagree with.

>>4085582
I don't know how it works. I've seen similar gimmick devices all over the place and just wanted to let you know not to get your hopes up over it being something cool. Then this guy lost his head over a vague, loose comparison and I let him flame me all day because I'm gay.

>>4077346
Another thing I love about the X'Eye is how thought out it's design is. The PCB is a real beauty and JVC actually went the extra mile and
had an incredibly intricate service manual with schematics and everything. If you have a problem with your X'Eye and want to find the error/fix it that manual is a fucking godsend.
https://console5.com/techwiki/images/8/80/JVC_X%27Eye_RG-M10BU_Service_Manual%2C_No._20478%2C_April_1994.pdf

The only thing I dislike about it, is that it's incompatible with the Mega Everdrive's reset into Master System mode so no SMS fun on your Everdrive.

>>4085582
I did my own research and it appears the retrogen uses the SNES hardware only for power; it includes its own A/V outputs. The genesis is implemented by a SoC, somehow different from the usual clone but still imperfect. This thing can't boot Knuckles in Sonic 2, it'd be interesting to know why exactly.

I have no idea why this thing exists. Looks like it's just a regular clone that plugs into your SNES rather than directly into your wall socket.

The better question is: why can't people make a clone that perfectly reproduces the original hardware? Why the fuck is there a compatibility list? Why is it outclassed by software emulators? I thought electronic engineers worked with exact specifications, with black boxes that allowed you to not care how it was implemented as long as it performed to specifications. Why can't they look at the data sheets of the original Genesis components and make something that works exactly the same way?

>>4085061
I've tried some of these 'adapters' which are less adapter than just using power and featuring a crappy system on a chip. Do not buy, get a real Genesis.

Also if you want the best picture out of your Genesis get RGB going. It's composite signal is garbage while it's RGB is razor sharp and clean.

>>4077303
m1 has better sound and better picture

>>4085097
Genesis looks good as shit in factory condition. the problem is how dirty those things can get, especially that stupid grill on the side

>>4085597
>I don't know how it works.
No fucking shit.

>>4086243
Neither do you. Unless somebody bought one and tore it down, nobody on this board knows exactly what that thing is running.

>>4085619
>Why is it outclassed by software emulators?
Think of it this way: cloning console hardware or writing an emulator both require you to reverse engineer the console to the point that you know what it's doing, cycle by cycle. Then you try to reproduce it. Inevitably something is going to be slightly out of spec, or there will be a point you have to make a guess on, or whatever. Fine, debug. If you are working with software that will be fairly straightforward, and you will be able to fudge a fix pretty much any problem you can explain (maybe there will be some you can't figure out, or that cause other problems when you fix them). If you are trying to clone the console in hardware and one of your off-the-shelf parts needs a tweak, what are you going to do? So I think software emulators are often better in part because they are easier to debug.

>>4086689
It's running bog-standard GOAC hardware. You think no one on the Internet has ever taken one out of its case? Have you ever used a search engine before? Do you think I didn't look into it before telling you you were wrong, instead of making shit up thinking everyone else was too dumb to know I was full of shit? I've never seen someone get btfo so incredibly hard, and just keep posting nonsense.

Question, are the add-on (32x o CD) region free?
So, can you connect a genesis to a Japanese 32X or to a European Sega CD?

>>4087084
The Mega CD is not region free. The 32x, like the Mega Drive, is but some games have region lock.

>>4077343
Oh hey big zam

>>4087847
>replacing arabs with jews: youtube edition

>>4087084
>>4087776
The Mega Drive isn't region free. It has region data which some games use to refuse boot-up. This practice started around 1993, so any games made before 1993 will probably run regardless of region.

The 32x "inherits" the region data from the Mega Drive. It makes use of this data: for example, American Space Harrier carts add a "Super 32X" logo on startup if your Mega Drive is Japanese. Conversely, Japanese Space Harrier carts remove the logo if your console is set to American region.

Finally some 32x games are region locked: Virtua Racing Deluxe is an example. The Japanese version has some audiovisual features that differ from the American release, and the most significant change is saving of record times and game progress. The American release of the game removed these features, presumably to save costs.

>>4087932
No, it is region free, it's the games that contain region locking. Same for the 32x. Only the Mega CD has region locking in its BIOS.

>>4080985
To be fair, the NA designs were shit anyways

>>4081239
It looks alright. SNES-2 was just ugly

>>4082036
Then why did you flip out?

>>4089578
When did I flip out?

is the genesis the doom of consoles? seriously how many fucking versions exist?

>>4077303
>The model one marked "High Definition Graphics"
This model has the best compatibility and will play all produced games and it also has the best sound chip.
>The Sega Genesis 2 made by Majesco It will have a label on the bottom saying to use a mk-1479 power supply
This model has a slightly better sound processing so it sounds almost as good as the Model one HQ some people complain about slightly worse graphics though.

There are other varieties of Model 2's and a model 3 and several other versions however most have worse audio and slightly duller graphics.

>>4092102
A ton, because Brazil wouldn't stop buying them.

>>4082039
>What is Japan
Retard. The US was the only place that called it Genesis.

>>4094209
What about Canada, Mexico, Belize, and Panama?

>>4077343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yz_Oi_6w0Q

>>4094234
They're just American colonies.

>>4094370
>dat thunderforce tribute
segagaga was an amazing farewell

>>4094562
What a ROB rip-off.

>>4094563
>1982
Sega-chan was release 3 years before that faggot ROB. Nintendo made a shitty knock-off like always baka.

>It’s anyone’s guess what they mean exactly by “danger prevention sensor”, but the specifications list is fairly complete including: 2 speakers, 1 microphone; eyes that light up depending on sound level; a service tray that holds up to 9 paper cups; 10″ color TV monitor with video cassette player (and auto-rewind!). The head was able to move 20cm up and down and 15 degrees left and right, and the arms could open to 45 degrees. And SEGA CHAN wasn’t small; it stood 151cm (just shy of 5 feet) tall and weighed 190kg (419 lbs)! Surprisingly this behemoth could actually move around on its front-wheel drive. Unfortunately there’s no indication of the price, and what with the impending video game crash of ’83 and the resulting losses, SEGA CHAN’s career was probably doomed from the start.

SEGA-CHAN has a fucking 10inch CRT built in!

MEGADRIVE MEGATRON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JykOzUkUrc

>>4094579
You keep saying that, we all know Rob came first.

>>4094598
Rob can barely move his arms up and down. What a pathetic piece of shit.

I guess the Model 2 does output better video, but not by a whole lot. However, it sounds like shit, so Model 1 wins for me.

>>4077343
I WANT IT

>>4077303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiu8wDLV_9g

>>4077303
Ignoring the sound I just like the design of the model 1 a lot more. It looks like someone converted a turn table into a video game console.

>>4077343
Needs more Sonic & Knuckles & Big Zam carts.

>>4093724
Thats largely a myth now.

>>4095597
It's a myth that Sega Genesis (and Master System) remained popular in Brazil for many years and continued to sell there long after most other regions?

>>4095604
it's largely exaggerated, yes. poor people played nes clones and middle class kids played playstations

>>4095604
Not her but I wouldn't say something that only stuck around for so long because everything else is overpriced beyond the realm of attainability to be popular. It's not a matter of them actucalltewjtiowem ,

The power switch on the model 1, from what I remember, felt way more solid. I also used the headphone jack a lot as a kid. The model 2 just looked and felt... cheap, to me.

>>4095621
Just like with the Saturn, the Model 1 has a more elaborate (and more expensive to manufacture) exterior involving multiple pieces and types of plastic, etc. The Model 2 has a simpler and cheaper design.

>>4094598
>rob

It's shit