/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4071146
Currently playing The Elder Scrolls I: Arena

Interesting game, this one.

>which ones did things differently then others?
Ulimta Underworld
Dungeon Master
Wizardry

Shining in the Darkness was good

>>4071146
daggerfall

GB dungeon crawler. Very intricate crafting system, but not a great game overall. Really neat that they made a first person dungeon crawler on the GB.

>>4071376
There's also Wizardry Gaiden 1-3 on the GB.

>>4071313
I would argue that Wizardry and Dungeon Master set the template though

>>4071357
Best

>>4071232
Its nice, even houses in cities are like mini dungeons. The key is to find rich looking houses and spam the stair treasure glitch. Get some choice equipment and sell the surplus to become rich as fuck. Then you go dungeon crawilong on the outskirts of town to level up for the main quest. i love that game, the people can say funny shit too it does get old after z while though.

this happened when i was making a character for wizardry 5 on snes

Anyone going to get this one? The development was started 20 years ago, so it's definitely /vr/ related.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/650670/Grimoire__Heralds_of_the_Winged_Exemplar/

I think it looks really good, probably the best looking retro dungeon crawler I have seen.

>>4071634
Never heard of it before. The features list makes it sound like its going to be the best thing ever

>>4071639
The guy making it is a fully certified nutjob, we can only hope it is as awesome as it sounds and not just more of his insane rants.

>>4071658
Ooooooh. Is he the same guy that caused a bunch of controversy on rpgcodex or something like that?

>>4071376
Dragon Heart is the real deal.

>>4071634
That seems pretty neat, but I really wish the dungeon view screen was a little bigger. It feels kinda cramped when I see it in motion.

>>4071634
The creator of this particular thing is a very peculiar individual who lives in some sort of an underground bunker and thrives off conspiracy theories.

With that in mind, it's probably the work of a deranged genius.

>>4071665
Yeah, says he is a neandethal, believes ALL of the conspiracy theories, and the cash he makes from selling Grimoire will be used to sue everyone who says something he doesn't like on rpgcodex or steam. He has a list motherfucker!

>>4071745
Hey if the game ends up being good he could be whatever he wants for all I care

Is there any console dungeon crawlers that are worth emulating? would emulate some dos RPGs but I am stuck without a PC for the foreseeable future.

>>4071313
And Megaten

Madou Monogatari
Arcana
Megaten
Dungeon Hack because it's the only roguelike I can think of
Swords and Serpents (probably objectively isn't that good but I've always had a soft spot for it)
Shining the Holy Ark
Laplace no Ma (I don't think this one has ever been translated)

I really like Dark Heart of Uukrul because it has First Person Dungeons, but Tactical battles like the Gold Box series, and I always feel like the standard "blobber" combat isn't that strong.

SSI Gold Box games were my favorites.
Pic related is a pretty good source for suggestions of what to play.

>>4071836
Is "blobber" a reference to those hit/miss splashes that SSI typically used? If so, I'm with you.

Most of my favorites of the genre use JRPG-style turn-based combat rather than real time. Uukrul is great too.

>>4071840
Nope. Wizardry games are not for beginners. And EotB games just not fun. LoL is overhyped and has a really fucked up level with the ghosts.

>>4071863
Blobber = Wizardry style, basically.

>>4071836
That game is 2hard4me, go to a new area and half my crew get 1 shotted

>>4071658
They called him crazy but then the gay penis monsters of Wizardry 9 were proven to be real

>>4071631
It's.... beautiful.
>I'm happy with anything over 18

>>4071985
>That game is 2hard4me, go to a new area and half my crew get 1 shotted
I wonder if the devs actually played the game Iron Man like they suggest in the manuals - I always reload from the last Sanctuary on death.

>>4072006
16-18 is fine by me

>>4071719
Maybe it can be changed a little. It looks like more than a few pixels could be lost off the character windows and background and the icons and window at the bottom could stand to be shrink a little.

>>4071634
i'll consider it, if it is ever released.

Does Betrayal at Krondor count? It's pretty light on the dungeons and mostly takes place outside, but I consider it one of the best games ever.

>>4072032
July 7th anon

>>4071745
What a fucking baby, I'm not going to support him if he's such a weirdo

>>4071146
>36 posts
>No King's Field/Shadow Tower

>>4072112
see >>4071840

>>4071357
>>4071607
Not even close. Ultimately unsatisfying experience. Worth trying, the first few dungeons are fun. Then the whole game is a chore. This is truer of Daggerfall than even Oblivion or Skyrim.

>>4071840
man I really wish people would put might and magic 3 in those recommended things I understand that world of xeen is pretty much the same thing but more, but Isle of Terra is a really damn good game too and deserves to be played

>>4072109
He's an autistic fat manchild still asshurt sir-tech canned his Wizardry game because it wasn't going anywhere over 20 years ago. After that he got into arguments and flame wars with sir-tech over usenet for years.

>>4072620
is that supposed to be him in the screenshot? I like the guy already, if your only complaint is that he is redpilled you're going to have to try harder to make me not like him.

>>4072620
Anywhere to read up on it? I love autistic drama.

>>4072870
rpgcodex grimoire thread as well as dozens of other forums he gets into shit fights on
take a shot every time he delays grimoire and announces a new release date while reading the codex thread and you'll die of alcohol poisoning less than a quarter of the way through

>>4071146
What version of xeen is the definitive one? World? I had a xeen collection when I was a kid and remember having a ball with it, but cant for the life of me remember which one I mainly played.

>>4072938
World of Xeen is 4+5 so yeah, the version on Gog is the CD version of World of Xeen

>>4071634
http://www.mediafire.com/file/7d0sw1cjcjwk8a5/GRIMOIRE__BETA_2.06_setup.exe

>>4072898
>thread on Cleve is 1000+ pages
wew

>>4072945
Awesome. Thanks man.

>>4072963

The "Why did Sir-tech go bankrupt?" thread in retardo land is even more amazing.

>>4071985
>gay penis monsters of Wizardry 9
whaaat?

I have a soft spot for Umbra.
http://markdamonhughes.com/Umbra/

>>4073639
It looks like it isn't /vr/, though, since the first release was in 2001.

>>4073631

>>4072620
>>4072898
All this drama is years-old so I'm not going to hold it against the guy.

exist a good Japanese 1st Person Dungeon Crawler?? (please not Dragon Quest)

>>4074046
Megami Tensei, Megami Tensei II, Shin Megami Tensei, Shin Megami Tensei II, Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey

>>4074046
Wizardry

>>4074046
Phantasy Star

>>4074046
Shining in the Darkness on genesis and Arcana on Snes are some good examples, Phantasy Star 1 also counts even though it's only first person in dungeons.

A fantastic modern example is Etrian Odyssey on DS and 3DS.

I just started daggerfall, i never played an elder scrolls game before, while a bit clunky i am enjoying was able to survive the first dungeon but now i'm lost on what to do

>>4071146
>what ones were the best?

Might and Magic 3 - 5, Daggerfall, and Eye of the Beholder were my favorite games during the time period. I was never a big fan of the Wizardry or UItima series outside of Ultima 6 (which wasn't a first person game, anyway).

>>4074046
Madou Monogatari

>>4074707
You can do whatever you want. Travel to Daggerfall and join some guilds. I recommend the fighter's and mage's guild if you want some easy quests. PROTIP: unless you have a beacon spell, don't bother with dungeon quests yet. Just decline all of those (it will not hurt your reputation with the guild) and take the easy quests like guard or escort duty. Slaying X beast in X town are easy quests, too.

>>4074728
>fighter's and mage's

Top lel at my grammar. I'm hungover, faggots.

>>4074046
Arcana for the SNES was pretty decent when I was younger, but in hindsight it was kind of a pain in the ass. It's a total linear grindfest.

>>4074728
I got jailed for pickpocketing once because i forgot to change the click to so i was grabbing people now everyone hates me
How can i get my reputation better?

>>4074750
Do quests for the royal family or just fast travel by foot around the world until a year has passed or some shit. It should return to "neutral" after enough time.

>>4074757
Alright time to do some royal quests then
I just need to find the royal palace

Stonekeep [pc] is pretty boss

>>4071146
Pic related

>>4071146
It seems like Amiga had some good ones. A few of them exclusives.

I love the new wave of dungeon crawlers.

>>4071739

Sounds like the best kind of devs. Best games are born from crazy/peculiar people.

>>4075109

Black Crypt is the best one I've tried.

>>4072963
That beta is from 2010

I was excited about this game 20 years ago. I also stopped being excited about it 17 years ago.

>>4071634
I've heard whispers of this game off and on throughout the years but I never bothered to look into it. Today, I discovered the creator's thread on RPGcodex and it is fucking hilarious. This video is gold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDyXSCd2Lp0&t=1054s

You'd think this guy is trolling and simply roleplaying as a crazy person if you watched this video; however, when you read Cleve's insane rants you'd know that this is no act. I'm definitely picking up this train-wreck if it's less than 25 dollars.

Waiting for it too. Seems to be a good Dungeon Master like game, but not a carbon copy like Grimrock was.
Trailer looks ok: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnqzGANkPG8

>>4076074
>I'm definitely picking up this train-wreck if it's less than 25 dollars.

I don't think the game itself will be a train-wreck, Cleve just comes off as a guy who doesn't leave his basement more than once a month. Now, him obviously obsessing over this game for 20 years is impressive but that does not mean that it'll be good. If a creator has the wrong idea of what makes a good game it doesn't matter how many years they put in, especially if the creator finds something awful to be quite enjoyable. Look at all those JRPG fellows that love when a game forces you to grind

It's easy to trick yourself into thinking bad game design is great.

>>4075627
What would you recommend?

>>4076195

I really liked the superdemo. I don't think it'll be a bad game.

>>4076229
I think it will start out as a good game but then the writing/plot will progressively start to deteriorate as Cleve slowly begins to descend into madness. The bugs will probably become more and more apparent as time goes on, too. I'm judging this based on one of his last codex posts:

>Worked for nearly 27 hours without sleep. Achieved massive gains. Got to go to sleep for a few hours now. Was crying insane tears of joy at parts of the game I have not verified in a while. While playing through them I was overcome by the win and excellence. The game now stands as a reminder of my peak intellect before my brain shrunk to the size of a cashew and my hormonal system fried itself from lack of sleep. Sometimes I feel like I am in Memento looking at polaroids I took back in 1998.

Apparently he hasn't fully played through some areas in over 20 years until yesterday.

>>4071631
holy fug

>>4072006
>>4076724
Explain.

>>4076874
in Wizardry, when rolling new character stats, you get bonus points to distribute -- the guy who posted that picture got 60, which is crazy unusual.

>>4071631
I've spent days trying to get 25+ bonus stats in some of those Wizardry games.

>>4073659
>>4073631
>>4071985

Also the gay furry sex.

>>4076970
>>4076724
>>4076874
The stats are good enough to create a Lord or, if he was evil, a ninja.
Actually they are so high that you can reach the maximum in all stats right from the start.
In Wizardry 1-3 the rolls are normally 8-10 with a few 18-20 ones. 5 allows for higher results but I never got 30 or more.

>>4076874
That's 60 bonus stat points at chargen. That's enough to pretty much max everything.
It's considered absurdly lucky to get anything above 18-20.

>>4077193
>That's enough to pretty much max everything.
You can max everything. The SFC port used the revised stats where the maximum is racial minimum + 10. But even in the original system with a flat max of 18 you can get the necessary points for 6*18=108 with the elf's 48 base points. I wonder if it such a roll could even happen since a hobbit's 52 base points would lead to you being unable to spend all points.

>>4074713
I discovered Eye of the Beholder recently. Its a fun game, and it sort if helped me understand some of the classes in Dungeons and Dragons

>>4071394
Gaiden IV on SNES is even better.

>>4077257
But it's not on the Gameboy.

>>4071840
i tried pool of radiance and i just couldn't do it man

>>4077283
also i can't get over the fact that scummvm now supports a few first person dungeon crawlers

I just started Wizardry 8
It's fun, and runs better than the GOG version of 7. Any other genre essentials that are not completely obtuse in terms of controls?

>>4077293
Betrayal at Krondor is notably very accessible in an era of very complicated and difficult Western rpgs,
Eye of the Beholder is also fairly unobtuse in terms of controls.

>>4077293
I wish Wizardry Gold didn't get as fucked as it did

>>4077293

Might and Magic 6, 7 and 8 with the grayface patch

>>4077293
I'd argue MM3 and WoX.

>>4077536
This

>>4071840
This chart needs some serious effort. It looks like shit.

>>4071863
a blobber is just a first person rpg where all characters are mashed into one "blob" (not literary) which you play. It's not like playing individual characters but like being this guy with 12 arms.

>>4077536
Ugh those character portraits

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uu4qCCKrVps

insmouse no yakata

>>4078530

They are amazing.

>>4078003
i thought blobbers were the ones where you couldn't choose what you attacked during fights

>>4078587
Blobbers are the ones where all characters stand in the same place all the time. Think of a blob you're moving around and all the characters stick to it.

What is a good place to start getting experience in daggerfall

>>4075747
Black Crypt back in the day before the internet, it was super hard. I also enjoyed Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back on Amiga. Those 2 are still very good today. Truly ahead of their times.

Question - I have Wizardry 8 and I am downloading Might and Magic 6,7,8 currently. I think I have never played M&M or at least I think so. Which one is the best to start from? Or should I start with World of Xeen?

I don't mind 2d graphics as with the custom dosbox and MT32 sound emulation they'll become pretty gorgeous anyway. Here's Ultima Underworld with Dosbox SVN Daum + CRT.D3D.br.fx shader.

is dankest dungeon pretty dank?

>>4079306
M&M 1 and 2. The later ones are probably child's play for you.

>>4079359
I'm actually trying to get Worlds of Xeen to work. Thing is that I want to play it with CRT emulation but the SVN Daum DosBox crashes with this game. Regular DosBox works but doesn't include pixel shaders. I found some fork for Win10 but I have trouble setting it up properly.

I just hope they would have one place solution like Mame for this shit.

>>4079306

Might and Magic 3 was awesome for the time, and I think it's almost on par with World of Xeen.

>>4079415
I remember drooling over the reviews of M&M3 back in the day but never got to playing it. I'm going to check it out or then maybe Xeen. Would be logical to play from 3 though.

Got the scanlines working. If you need recent DosBox with pixel shaders I would advice using this over SVN Daum outdated version:

>https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=48303

>>4079419
That's just how my monitor looked.
When it was broken and had to be repaired.

>>4079419
One more shot, M&M3. I think there is something charming about the sprites...

>>4079428

It looks pretty good.

>>4079427
I miss the radiation of big CRT. Flickering image, headaches and hair loss.

It wasn't that good anymore when I replayed it. It also had a bug in it that made you unable to win in the amiga version I think.

>>4079524
The developers or probably the publisher paid at least The One magazine back in the day to give great review and lot of hype. For "some" reason the editor of that magazine was also a character in the game - I think he was a blacksmith or something. So, they generated huge amount of hype before the game even released and in the end it was flat like a pancake. All hype advertised it as a revolutionary etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1SPOop-Udk

Game is weirdly slow. Wizardry was a popular series in Japan.

>http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/wizardry/wizardry9.htm

>>4079552
Never heard of that. Looks intredasting.

>>4079043
The uninstall dungeon.

>>4071146
whats a good entry level one, i wanna start playing these but i suck and i wanna git good before i move up to say elder scrolls

>>4079651

Lands of Lore

>>4079593
Because it plays a sound on every attack. Turn the sound effects off and fights will go faster and actually speed up when you hold enter.
It's still molasses compared to the first games.

I completed Dungeon Master as a kid without using a map. I can't do it now.

What the fuck? Why was my post on Grimoire deleted? It's definitely a retro game as much as any other unreleased/forgotten/vaporware /vr/ related game.

I started to play Realms of Arkania some time ago, but the towns were so fucking confusing I dropped it.

>>4071146
The first Eye of the Beholder game is still my favorite

>>4079731
You think this is complicated? Try Amberstar.

>>4079784
Have fun walking to 11 every time you want to level paladins.

To get ReShade working with Might and Magic 6 you need this ddraw to opengl wrapper, it's very handy with lot other older Win games too -

>http://dege.freeweb.hu/dgVoodoo2/dgVoodoo2.html

Then you can install ReShade and add CRT emulation and bit of extra stuff (someone has ported retroarch shaders to reshade too)
>https://reshade.me/

It makes the game bit more bearable in my opinion. I hate this certain mid 90s Windows 95 game look. Dos games didn't have that at all but it started to appear at some point.

I fucking love Wizardry IV. The battle system is great, summoning monsters is crazily fun and the dungeons are well designed. I played the PS1 version though, so it's probably easier.

I was really disappointed when I realized Wizardry V was just the same as the first three games. I mean, the first three games are okay (love the maps on the first one and love the one with the enchanted armor set), but playing the same shit after Wizardry IV feels so wrong.

Also I really tried but never could get into Ultima Underworld. I really like everything about the game, but the archaic "mouse only controls" are a bit hard to me, guess I'm too young for this shit.

>>4079832
>Wizardry V was just the same as the first three game
Unlike 2 and 3 it actually made some changes and is closer to 6 in some points.

>mouse only controls
You can play the whole game with just a keyboard though you will get best results with a combination of mouse and keyboard. For instance you can move with A, W and D.
You can also try the PS1 version though it doesn't support analog sticks.

>>4079832
>Also I really tried but never could get into Ultima Underworld. I really like everything about the game, but the archaic "mouse only controls" are a bit hard to me, guess I'm too young for this shit.

If you want something similar, but more modern, try Arx Fatalis with the Arx Libertatis mod.

>>4079853
No but you are supposed to move with arrow keys and pick up stuff with mouse. It's not difficult at all. It's pretty intuitive compared to lot of other games from that era and even after that.

>>4079913
I'm pretty sure moving with the keyboard is really not as good as moving with the mouse. If I'm not mistaken, everytime you move with the keyboard you instantly walk two steps ahead, and you can't change between walking and running.

It's a bit awkward. Maybe it's just a matter of getting used to it but moving with the mouse is way better.

Move and rotate with the numeric pad

>>4079951
Hold shift to run. Shift+W is fairly quick and even works while swimming or flying.
Shift+D keeps you from falling over ledges.

Eye of the Beholder is great

>>4080330
Are there any big differences between the ports?

What are the best console ports for PC dungeon crawlers?

So far only played the Wizardry 1 to 4 (SNES and PS1).

>>4080870

I know the Sega CD version has music and some voice acting. Otherwise they all just look slightly different. Play the DOS version if you want to go through all 3 games with the same party.

>>4079832
You have to understand that 4 was not well recieved. Even in Japan where the Wizardry series flourished, 4 was always the black sheep. Tough game to be your fav.

>>4079832
Play Paper Sorcerer or something from the Shin Megami Tensei series.

>>4080938
Oh yeah good point, thanks anon.

>>4079359
Those two are my favorite. They look less pretty and the interface is less polished but I explored every fucking place on those two games. The sequels don't really click for me to that extent, and I don't like the combat as much.

>>4080330
I played lot of it back in the day. I'm going to do a playthrough. I thought I'd like Might & Magic series but it's not probably for me, it's too hack and slashy in this sense. I want something which is close to original Dungeon Master without randomly popping up enemies etc.

>>4078535
What the fuck? A virtual boy game that looks cool?

I'm playing Arena and I've had a "You are being drained" prompt. It doesn't seem to actually be doing anything since I beat Elden Grove without noticing any problems, yet I can't figure out how to get rid of the prompt itself. Any ideas?

>>4073639
It says the site is currently unavailable and i cant find anything on google. Please provide a link if you can

>>4079043
Any small graveyard, but if you created youre character well, then most dungeons shouldnt be a problem. You can always cheat by using the rusty ogre lodge trick and using the cash to get training. Its a good idea to buy a cart, horse and recall spell. If you didnt choose a mage build, your fucked besides potions and enchatments but enchanted items can only be made with a high enough rank of a guild. Just do quests for guilds or royalty if you dont feel like cheating and save scum, this is a game where you need to save scum.

>>4080870
Amiga version has an extended ending and the snes, sega CD, and pc-98 versions have their own soundtracks. Yuzo Koshiro worked on both the sega CD and pc-98 soundtracks, with the pc-98 ost being particularly good if you want something to listen to while playing. As other anon said though, DOS version is your best bet if you want party transfer to the sequels.

>>4082828
Try going to a temple in any town and talk to the priest. Click on him, select "Cure", maybe it will work.

>>4083657
Tried that earlier and it didn't work. Just assuming it's a glitch at this point because it doesn't seem like it's doing anything.

>>4083638
>sequels

There's only ONE sequel.

>>4083638
Can't you transfer your party in the PC98-DOS versions?

>>4077283

get the goldbox companion, might help

http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jhirvonen/gbc/

>>4084560
this

you wouldn't crawl through a dungeon

>>4084760
Yeah, you hop forward, back, left and right in exact formation and an exact length, and you also turn at right angles. And you never run out of breath doing that.

>>4072112
>that intro

>>4072963
the install doesn't seem to work got another link or the newer "super demo"?

I deleted it from my desktop after thinking it was never actually going to be released ;_;

>>4074046
King's Field and Shadow Tower

>>4085816
*King's Field(1-3)

>>4077283
Even back in the day I thought the gold box games were outdated on many levels. I think I only finished Curse of Azure Bonds.