/vr/ - Retro Games

I hope you aren't a pleb that playing it in English.

The main part is great but I didn't like the linear "exhaust every option to move on" parts in the prologue and epilogue.
The epilogue also dragged on for too long.

>>4036550
The epilogue was supposed to be a whole other game or so I heard. They ran out of budget or something and had to do a lot of cuts, but I thought it was great. I kinda wish it was a bit longer or maybe also had its own routes (I heard it was supposed to have those too)

Huh, fucking weird. I just finished it a few days ago myself, I was planning on waiting until tomorrow and making a thread about it since I won't be around much today. (Don't know why I worried about that, actually - /vr/ is nice and slow anyway.)

Personally, I thought it was one of the best games I've ever played, and absolutely the best VN I've ever read. I don't really get why people lose interest in the epilogue of the game, personally I thought the entire thing was fascinating. You just have to enjoy it at the pace it's presented at, instead of chomping at the bit for it to all be over.

I felt it nailed the balance between science fiction focus and spiritual/conceptual focus that makes a perfect piece of speculative fiction. The ending was particularly beautiful.

>>4036578

That's really unfortunate if it's true. After finishing Go! Go! Sayless and getting the secret schoolgirl cosplay CG part, I'm also very sad that they never got the chance to give Yu-no the omake story they had planned for her. (The one where she gets lost with Kun-Kun as a child.) With both of the lead guys on the project being dead, there's no chance of that now.

Also: Thoughts on the remake?

>>4036549
No. I play it in russian

>>4036849
Out of every version I have, remake is the worst one. Not even talking about the art, the remake is just dumbed down in few aspects compared to PC98 and Saturn versions.

>>4036942
Why are commies such weabos?

>>4037116
I know there's no way they topped the voice acting of the original saturn, but where else did they dumb down? I thought of buying the LE to get some of those goodies
Also the art doesn't seem so bad in some CGs

I'll never forgive what they did to Kanna though

>>4037445
I actually only liked the redesign of Kanna, rest was terrible.
Generally everything is lower quality, Saturn version had animated backgrounds while remake doesn't have that, same goes for ambient sounds.
Worst aspect of remake is the user interface, literally designed for Vita touchscreen in mind and because of that it plays horrible and looks bad too.
Multiple cut scenes with CGs, some minor dialogue changes, pretty much there is nothing that this remake does good or better then over 20 year old ports, but I guess they have to rehash an old series and make anime out of it.
As for LE, it's nice but I wouldn't overpay, if you live in japan and can get it with some store bonuses then you might grab that if it's still available.

>>4037474
>dem legs and feet

I want to molest her.

>>4037489
5000 yen

>we will never get an Eldia remake like Eve Burst Error R and Desire

Why
Why did this happen

Was Kanna really MC's daughter?

>>4037474
>picture of TV
Does it not allow for screenshots to be taken?

>>4036526
some of the best FM music ever made, and the soundtrack is really fucking long

>>4036849
>I don't really get why people lose interest in the epilogue of the game

Maybe the genre shift was too much for them. Which I find weird, as it was very heavily foreshadowed IMO. I mean, you almost would have to be willfully oblivious to all hints you encounter in the main game to not see it coming. The length might be another factor, as each time you think it's going to end soon it just goes on and on. Weirdly enough, it's rushed despite its length.

>>4037735
Rest in Peace Umemoto-sama

>>4037631
5pb, that's why

>>4036526
Yu Just No

>>4037595
Did they keep that aspect in the remake?
>>4037716
Yes. There's no reason why she shouldn't be.

>>4038118
Well, there are arguments against it. Like, Amanda could have just found someone called Hatano, married him and had Kanna. Would also make more sense since being pregnant in a completely strange world wouldn't make it easy to survive.

Yu-no's theme of taboo between father and daughter begins and ends with yu-no, do there's not much need for Kanna to be related to takuya.

I still liked her route the best, for real

I can't believe I liked her character as much as I did. The voice actor nailed her too.

>>4038327
Then Kanna would have had a family after Amanda died.
You also have the mother-son relationship between Takuya and Ayumi.

>>4038391
That's mom-in-law, not taboo
>spoiler
What did you mean by this?

>>4038374

Yeah, I thought I'd hate her at first. By the end, she would have been my favourite "main side" girl if it wasn't for my all-consuming oedipus complex.

>>4038327

The way I see it:
Takuya is half Dela Grantian, being the child of Keiko and Koudai. He ages normally and doesn't need hypersense stone to survive. He also has normal ears.

Kanna, on the other hand, ages in the Dela Grantian way (she even mentions her short adolescence and childhood) and dies without hypersense stone. She still has Earth ears, though.

I thought this indicated that Kanna was three quarters Dela Grantian, as opposed to pure (with ears) or half (effectively human, like Takuya, barring minor things like his ability to resonate with hypersense stone.) That would tally with her being the child of the half Dela Grantian Takuya and the pure-blooded Amanda.

>>4037778

Anyone with even a passing interest in ancient/lost civilizations should have seen it coming, I agree. Plus, it's on the fucking title screen, in a tease-y kind of way. (As opposed to the outright spoilers in the Saturn and PS4/Vita intros.)

Oh, and also, Mio's entire goddamn route.

Is this a hentai game? You can pay girls for sex?

>>4038695
Yeah but like, why would she have a yamato name/surename. It would make more sense if she had a del grantian name right?
Or at least half, since that's what Amanda is used to in her world

Unless by the time she got full preg she changed a whole cultural view

>>4039217
She's constantly changing her identity.

>>4038801

You can play with or without sex depending on the version you choose, some scenes are pretty hot but it's meaningless fluff for the most part. From what I've read making it an eroge wasn't the original plan but a necessary evil to actually move copies in the Japanese PC market.

>>4039225

Yeah, this. Kanna changes her identity regularly so that nobody notices she doesn't age. Hatano Kanna is almost certainly not her real name.

Weird that Kanna had to resort to this to keep her Dela Grantian heritage a secret, but Keiko was just wandering happily around Sakaimachi for anything up to 400 years with an open reputation as "the oldest person around here", looking about 27.

By the way, does anyone else think that Keiko killed herself so that whatever "priestess" quality she had inside her could transfer to Sayless (even accross dimensions) in time to perform the ritual? The timing matches up, and IMO it's strongly implied that Sayless did the same thing with Yu-no, hence the hints that there's more to Yu-no "keeping mama in her heart" than just conciliatory fluff.

I like the idea that even though whoever built the machine had tried to reduce that "quality" down to a determinable scientific factor, it was a spiritual force transmitted from one woman to the next.

It would also explain why Koudai, despite having achieved CHIM and left his corporeal body behind to become a wanderer in Vrinda's tree, never found Keiko in his travels even though she said she was leaving to "go somewhere." Whatever is left of Keiko is in Yu-no now, via Sayless; there's nothing for him to find and he knows it.

This might also be the ultimate fate of Ayumi, considering Koudai was present in a spiritual form when Ryuuzouji stabbed her. Considering everyone came unstuck from the Dela Grantian timeline seconds later, it seems possible to me that Koudai could have taken Ayumi's spirit with him. It's a cute idea, and fitting given her area of expertise, familiarity with the machine and dimensional travel, and their love for each other. Would have been nice to have a line or two in Koudai's final monologue to Takuya that suggested it.

>>4039392
But that's a 400 years timing man, why do it at that time?

It kinda makes sense though, since Sayless does mention it was her mother that told her to go to that place and wait for Takuya to arrive and that he would be the man of his life

It's hard to know whether her mother told her that before or after she died though

>>4039404

Huh, I must have missed that. Was this during the Go! Go! Sayless content? Where she monologues while he rescues her from the desert?

And If Takuya is 17, and Keiko's suicide was when he was only 1 or 2, then that means (assuming Dela Grante and Sakaimachi time directly correspond, which they clearly don't, honestly) that she killed herself 20 years before the catastrophe would need to be averted again. (It happens when Takuya is 21 or 22.)

My best guess WAS that she did it in response to "knowing" Sayless had been born, but given what you've just posted, I'm probably completely wrong.

This fucking game, the only "plot holes" arise when you examine a handful of parts of the game using the careful lens of scrutiny that the rest of the game instils in you. For example, why did fake Ryuuzouji need to turn the real one gradually into a beast and then kill him dramatically, when he was obviously in Abel's body upon first jumping to Sakaimachi, and he can switch bodies? Why not just possess him?

>>4039418
Wait what
Wasn't Ryuuzouji a woman when he first got to sakamachi? Like, in his diary when he said shit started to change until "that woman" came

There's also some weird shit that happens in Mitsuki's route, when they're having sex in the gardens there's a weird CG that shows a woman in a kimono, but only shows her lower body.

They never went far with that though. I figured Abel had died before they ever reached sakamachi though in any case, thus eriko started to go after ryuuzouji

>>4039338
>making it an eroge wasn't the original plan
lol, Elf is (was) an eroge maker; they never made non-erotic games
I dunno where people are getting this delusion from that eroge makers don't actually want to make eroge.

>>4039338
>You can play with or without sex depending on the version you choose
There's still sex in the Saturn port; it's just not explicit. Dunno for the new remake.

>>4039392
>By the way, does anyone else think that
Yes, Kanno confirmed that in the guidebook interview.

>>4039392
>It would also explain why Koudai, despite having achieved CHIM and left his corporeal body behind to become a wanderer in Vrinda's tree, never found Keiko in his travels even though she said she was leaving to "go somewhere." Whatever is left of Keiko is in Yu-no now, via Sayless; there's nothing for him to find and he knows it.
The guidebook interview says that in the end Keiko is with Takuya's father as they search for the truth of history together.

>>4039653
Yeah but maybe Kanno didn't want to write one, but figured he had to do it in order to get that story into the market.

It's no contest that it's an adventure game first, eroge last

I really need to buy this guidebook

>>4039653
>>4039686

Yeah, it was exactly that. It was probably bad wording on my part as it didn't change genres halfway into development or something, it just 'had' to be an eroge because that was the expectation of a game of its kind, especially from Elf. I haven't read it in years but I know the HG101 article on the game had some snippets from Kanno where he goes into it.

Im interest in the remake now just becuase of the sexy design of this QT.

Spoil it, I don't care. Is she best girl? Can I fug her?

Wait what. Suddenly I'm very interested in this game.

Is this true?

>>4040130

>>4040106
Her original design is way better imho.

And yea you get to fug her, but she has no specific route of her own.

PLEASE
HOW DO WE STOP THIS

OH GOD STOP
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>4037735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CksDGYA9DUQ

It's good.

I mentione this once before on a Yu-No thread, but discussion is good so I'll say it here.
I think there's a possibility the fake Ryuuzouji could be Koudai. Assuming that after exiting causality he doesn't have a lifespan, I think it's fair enough to think that someone who exists like that long enough could go insane or forget who their entire past.
Koudai is the only being we're aware of who has this supreme power to travel causality, although we don't really know enough to know if there are others. It sounds feasible that Abel gave him an opportunity to rejoin with the physical world, and he took it.
Any thoughts? There's really not much to back it up, but it's a plausability in my books.

Nice art, ironically except for maybe the sex scenes because they seem of lower quality compared to other aspects like the backgrounds etc.

The Japanese VN standard of that era where you had to look/examine everything so that you can progress to the next area is kind of annoying, but I can't really fault it when that's the standard of its time.

IMO, kinda dropped the ball in part 2 since it stops being an adventure game and just turns into a linear novel, and yes I do know it was cut down in development because Part 1 was already taking really long.

I get what the ending is going for but I have no idea why import reviewers seem to consider it really meaningful.

>>4040486
Because it was very influential for its time when people were just starting to realize you could use those type of games to tell great stories.

It's non-linearity and the way it tackles routes is still unrivaled. Clannad tried to do something similar, but it's just not the same (though they succeeded in what they were going for)

>>4040486
I liked the point and click variation even when you had to wildly click around the screen to hit the correct spot.

Has anyone noticed sometimes the MC voice changed in some dialogue? Was I just getting insane?

>>4040486
>The Japanese VN standard of that era where you had to look/examine everything so that you can progress to the next area is kind of annoying

>it's ok when the west does it

>>4040496
>It's non-linearity and the way it tackles routes is still unrivaled
See, that's not what bothers me.

It's the part where you got to examine some random background object 5 times (even though the only feedback you're receiving is the MC saying sarcastic quips) before you hit a flag that triggers someone showing up at your location so you can progress in whatever path you're in.

>>4040561
Isn't that only the rope?

>>4040567
>people had issues with the rope
wtf, the game literally shows you how to get the rope on the start screen if you leave it hanging for awhile

that's for the saturn version though

like, im not kidding if you let the start screen hanging it will literally show you
>how to get the rope
>how to use it to get the silver medal
>that you can go back and get the rope again

you can't get more spoonfed than that

>>4040570
Does it also have the Picross training section?

>>4036526
I stopped playing because it seemed too annoying without a guide and i hate losing content left and right AND using guides. I completed the first route.

>>4040591
It's easy as fuck even without a guide man
trickiest parts the game still spoonfeeds you on how to do them

>>4040591
You have an automap. Try completing that and you won't miss anything.
You can speed up conversations with CTR.

>>4040374
You don't actually fug her, she stays pure for abel.

>>4040591
Literary the instruction manual gives you enough hints to clear the game 100%, plus the game also drops you hints all the time.

>>4039451

Did you somehow forget Ume? Ryuuzouji's mother? That was the woman in the kimono who watched Takuya fuck Mitsuki, and she's featured very heavily in that route.

AFAIK, the whole "that woman" thing is considered one of the plot threads that the story doesn't resolve. I can't work it out, myself. I do know that the fake Ryuuzouji was in Abel's body when he left Eriko's home dimension, though. Eriko tells you this in the epilogue. The reason you probably remember Abel being "dead" is because Eriko said everybody but her was fooled by the body hijack, and as soon as she realised, Abel was "effectively dead" to her, being either set loose between dimensions or simply erased by the impostor.

>>4039660
>>4039665

Oh shit, where's this guidebook? I've never seen it.

>>4040451

This occured to me too, but it's too sad for words. I really, really, REALLY hope not.

>>4040509

KANNA'S ROUTE HAD THIS LIKE 5 TIMES. I remember I couldnt' wipe her sweat off because I hadn't tried to stare at her crotch yet. (Her crotch registered seperately from the rest of her panties.)

>>4040570

Wow. I had no trouble with the rope for some reason, but I didn't know that's where that demo on the title screen was going, since I always skipped it for fear of spoilers. Amazing.

>>4040758

Thinking of her still being a virgin adds a lot to her character if it's true. That's amazing.

>>4040758
Dont you do her in the locker room?

>>4040130
Yes she has a very tragic story

>>4036526
Too much porn to consider it a good story. Too much talk to consider it a good porn.

fuck yuno and fuck time travelling people.

>>4041264
No, only in her mouth.
She's deflowered in one of the bad ends.

>>4041310
Man, you can never tell this shit playing the saturn version.

So the locker room shit was just a blow job?

http://i.imgur.com/8gULViW.png

>you never bang this piece of ass

Biggest tragedy of this game bar none.

>>4041492
You don't even get that much from Marina.

>>4041514
Marina isn't as good as eriko either though.
She's too slutty too

>>4041097
>Thinking of her still being a virgin adds a lot to her character if it's true. That's amazing.
You grow to admire more the makers of the past, that would dare make shit like this.

Nowadays they throw all the guns to pander to otaku without caring if the work/characters suffer in the end.

What was its name /vr/?

>>4041097
>Oh shit, where's this guidebook? I've never seen it.
http://amzn.asia/8k9zScS

>>4041310
>>4041336
Yeah Saturn version makes it seem you go all the way because it doesn't show details

>>4042020
So what the fuck happened then?

>>4042020
>dude gives 3 stars
>says it's a must have book

every time

>>4042016
>dude praises the book, says its a must have
>gives 3 stars
every time

Is there any legit paper/research that talks about some of yu-no's stuff?

Not the parallel worlds thing but the idea of inertia in cause and effect (what the game calls schwartzschild phenomenon)?

I read this around https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%93%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%96%E3%81%AE%E6%9E%9C%E3%81%A6%E3%81%A7%E6%81%8B%E3%82%92%E5%94%84%E3%81%86%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3YU-NO#.E4.BA.8B.E8.B1.A1.E3.81.AE.E3.82.B7.E3.83.A5.E3.83.B4.E3.82.A1.E3.83.AB.E3.83.84.E3.82.B7.E3.83.AB.E3.83.88.E5.8D.8A.E5.BE.84

But it's some crazy shit without much sources to back it up

I know steins;gate talked about it too (though they called it attractor field)

What's the source of this idea?

>>4042436
Just google it ding dong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwarzschild_radius

>>4042526
No man, that's just the normal radius explanation. I was wondering about its effects on cause and effect as explained on the game (which s;g also borrows from)

Yu-no can't be the source of that idea

>>4041971
You have the answer in the bible.

Did anyone else rage like a motherfucker throughout Ayumi's route?

I know the ending was kind of rewarding but god damn was I screaming at takuya for being a retard at times

>>4043980
I did, yeah.

Also, fuck Toyotomi.

Is anyone able to explain Kanna's actions on Mio's ending where you decide to go back to the cave after Mio climbs up the well?

So how did Kanna know? Did Takuya leave a jewell and told her to go there?

Has anyone noticed that at times Kanna seemed to not know about anything and other times know too much?

>>4044676
She had a connection to Triangle Mountain and possibly learned some stuff from Kodai.

>>4044691
Nips talk about the possible existence of two Kannas, one from the time after you save her (which knows about the stuff and goes on to live with you) and the one that doesn't know anything yet

The possibility of her going back to help you after you grow old and die but she doesn't age, or something like that

>>4044061

>>4045596
delet

>>4040374
>dat hint of areola

I didn't know I needed this

>Kanno was in his 20s when he wrote yu-no

What am I doing with my life

>>4041971
Vrinda's tree

I love the game and hate this dude with passion. That's all.

so according to ryuuzouji, koudai's research was about immortality.

But how did that connect with anything that went on in the game?

>>4036526
I'm so glad to see this thread on here. This is my favourite Visual Novel/Game, right next to 999 and Steins;Gate. For me it may be even superior than those two.

Did you play the 2011 PC Ported version with the voice acting?

>>4048342
I played the saturn version with VA

I was half way through when I got to know the pc version had a patch for voice acting, plus i dont like ero scenes in VN if i can avoid them

Also good taste my man

>>4038801
Think of the sex parts of the game as a chocolate break between the main story progression. Really good narratives.

5pb. just announced the latest chapter in the manga adaptation, which is apparently something you can read online.

https://twitter.com/yuno_5pb/status/873013302623846400

I wonder how closely the upcoming anime will be related to it (besides using the remake character designs). Both have to deal with adapting a non-linear narrative into a linear medium.

>>4048971
The narrative branches can be formulated linearly. All you have to deal with is in which order each character route you want the narrative to unfold. Not much of a big deal unpacking this narrative

>>4048971
>anime
?????
There's an anime of yu-no coming out?

>>4048003
Did you pay attention to the story or the ending?
You could say that Takuya's father is a God, there are so many Christian references in this game that you really need to skip through the entire game not to get the story.

>>4049138
Yeah, they rehashed the game for PS4 and Vita and to keep momentum and jew money they will make Anime out of it, and it's going to be based on the PS4 version which was a remake of the Saturn port.

>>4049141
Well I kinda figured that's what it was but I figured it would be different.

Like real "non aging, non dying" person and not as an observer

he's not really a god btw, he'd be closer to what ryuuzouji is I think or at least his interference with each point in the tree seems limited

>>4049138
It was announced back in December 2016.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-12-26/yu-no-sci-fi-visual-novel-gets-anime-project/.110355

>>4049138
There's already a terrible hentai OVA that barely follows the plot and characters

>>4049215
>Terrible
It was hilarious, it was like some cliche B movie porn parody, and I liked how they made him the villain of the story or how Mitsuki and Ayumi had a lesbian relationship.
Also it had a nice synth background music.

>>4049220
I won't deny it's unintentional comedy, but terrible nonetheless.

Oh and that wasn't the only lesbian pairing

Still it's so silly I'm happy it exists

>>4049220
The most amazing part is when they're in Dela Grante and can't wear imported clothing but happen to have a huge stash of underwear.
Worst part was loli Yu-no getting raped.

>>4049230
Miyo hiring Kanna for whatever reason and then turning out to be her mother was also weird.

>>4049236
And the journalist gets its role shifted into a school girl for no good reason

And then she hires a bunch of schoolgirl ganguros to lick ayumi all over, and if she complies with her demands she promises to make the sexy time stop

It's hilarious how little sense it makes

>>4049243
Plus the h-scenes are ridiculously short.
They had absolutely no clue on how to adapt such a story which is somewhat understandable since eroge adaptions were still in their infancy. But it takes talent to mangle every single aspect so badly.

>>4049243
>And the journalist gets its role shifted into a school girl for no good reason

I'm pretty sure that was a disguise (her being a spy), she borrowed the uniform from Mio.

I ain't watching this shit.

nope
nope
nope nope nope nope

>>4049264
PROVE IT

>>4049467
Not gonna rewatch the entire thing, but I did find the scene (about 5-6 minutes in episode 2) where Kaori returns the uniform to Mio.

>>4049552
I thought that was because she belonged to a different school.

>>4049552
T-this proves nothing
She probably just borrowed her uniform because hers was full of slut juice

man i remember going to the triangle mountain for the first time and seeing that flower and that pillar with written stuff on it

so at first i thought it would have been something that happened a long time ago and the MC had something to do with that, and that flower and I was already bracing for feels

wasn't what I expected but I guess it still went full circle from there I guess

>>4049215
You can't even escape it in other Hiroyuki Kanno games.

So since people have been talking about Kanna lemme share a theory I cameup with the other day.
So I remember that in another thread, an anon mentioned that there may be two Kannas in the story: The Kanna that you see at school and in her route, and the Kanna that you briefly see at the end of the prologue and in one of the bad endings in Mio's route.
The second Kanna is pretty obviosly trying to help Takuya reach his destination and probably has her own reflector to help her with that, but the reason why she's helping him in the first place is the important part here, I think.
Sure you could say she's just following Koudai's orders but what if there's something in it for her too? Like seeing Amanda, her mother, again, for instance. From what I can tell, if YU-NO had a fleshed out epilogue with routes and all that, we might have gotten a full out Amanda route with Kanna No.2 appearing in it, and maybe a reunion scene with both of her parents.
By the way, fun fact: In Kanna's route, Houjou, the detective guy, mentions that he was ordered to find out if Kanna had the reflector, so clearly Ryuuzouji knew something was up too.

>>4041097
>Thinking of her still being a virgin adds a lot to her character if it's true. >That's amazing.
You can actually see her bleeding after Ryuuzouji's raped her in one of the Mitsuki route bad ends so

>>4051069
What is there to support that theory? Where is Anon coming from that there are two of them?

>>4051101
>Where is Anon coming from that there are two of them?
Like >>4044676 said, there are times when Kanna changes radically in terms of personality. I mean, compare the Kanna in Mio's route that tells you stuff like "you're in the wrong timeline" and that "you need to return to your native one", and the Kanna in Kanna's route who never really seems to be aware you're even capable of traveling between dimensions. The Japanese seem to have a similiar theory too. >>4044703 Also, I just went through the script files and Kanna seems visibly confused when you use the stone you got from the Kaori route to revive her. If she were the same Kanna as the one in the Mio route, she'd know you got it from another timeline.
>What is there to support that theory?
I suppose there is nothing to support that Kanna was doing it to meet Amanda again, but there is plenty to support the existence of a second Kanna who helps Takuya out. And when you think about it, why wouldn't Kanna want to follow Takuya to Dela Grante and see Amanda again since the end goal is to help him go there, anyway?

>>4051069
Well the problem with that theory is the doubt of whether two reflectors can coexist in at the same time. We know for instance if you have a rope with you and go back to get it again it wont be there no matter which branch of the tree you try to pick it up

The second is that because she had contact with Koudai she was a possible target to receive the reflector from him

>>4051145
Two items can co-exist at the same time. See: Kaori's photgraph of Toyotomi and the Yakuza guys plotting together

Can someone who speaks Japanese ask Ryu Takami on twitter why YUNO_7B has the 'B' at the end? With the other tracks, they only seem to use 'B' for alternate versions of songs (For example: Love 1 is YUNO 34, while Love 2 is YUNO 34B). Was there a beta version of the song that was scrapped near the end? I'm curious because it's the only pre-epilogue track to be composed by him (for those who don't know, a lot of the epilogue tracks are composed by Ryu Takami and Kazuhiro Kanae instead of Umemoto, maybe because they had to rush things), meaning it may have been replaced late into the game's development for some reason.
Here's his twitter, by the way: https://twitter.com/ryu_takami

>>4051169
>maybe because they had to rush things
Maybe. But Ryu Umemoto usually collaborated with Ryu Takami so I doubt there's any particular reason besides they just usually worked together. And their FM styles are really similar so they probably influenced each other

See OSTs:
Grounseed
EVE Burst Error

>>4051132

You know what's really sad?

"Capable" Kanna is always telling you that you don't belong in this timeline, and you need to go back to your true, native one. After you've finished the game, it becomes pretty obvious that this is the timeline in which you and Yu-no go back to the root of Vrinda's tree together and kickstart the universe, and then remain together in a primal, Xenogears-esque true union.

But earlier in this thread, >>4044703 advanced the theory that the "capable" Kanna is the one from long after her true heroine end, when Takuya is dead of old age but Kanna lives on, and inherits his reflector.

This would mean that Kanna spent a long and happy lifetime with Takuya as his wife, and he knew love for no other woman but her in that timeline. And yet, she knew, either then or later, that he never truly belonged to her, or to that timeline, and that his true destined love was another woman waiting for him in a higher state of being.

Poor "capable" Kanna would have known that she was a third wheel, or second best.

It makes me sad in the same way as Ayumi discovering that Koudai's true love was still Keiko...

>>4053042
That must have been a real kick in the "balls" for Ayumi now that I think about it.
By the way, on the subject of there being two of each: I'm pretty sure there's two Saylesses too, the one you make Yu-No with and the one that appears under sword cape and talks to you telepathically. That part where she goes "you rescued me in long gone past or the very distant future" makes it seem like she's crossed the even horizon too, so maybe it's an instance of Sayless that actually fulfilled her duties and was whisked away into space time afterwards?

>>4051367
Even in EVE, Takami's tracks are the last ones in the files (EVE_42 through 45), so it's weird to see a track of his be so early in the game and its files. However, the B suggests it's an alternate version of YUNO_07, and thus it may have been composed far later into the game's development than the track number suggests. Maybe Ayumi's personality was changed so drastically they had to redo her theme to be more fitting? We do know that she wasn't going to be the original god empress at least. Mitsuki was, going by the artbook. Sure wish I spoke Japanese so I could contact him directly, now.

>>4053083

I'm not so sure about that. The one under Sword Cape is another matter, but the Sayless who lives with Takuya in Dela Grante and becomes his wife has a monologue while he's rescuing her in the desert, that suggests she "remembers" his impending successful rescue even though it hasn't happened yet. Koudai's lecture at Takuya for not using telepathy to find her is explainable by his awareness of the events on Vrinda's Tree, but Sayless must have some psychic insight into it too, in order to have memories of the future while still alive.

That said, maybe I'm misunderstanding, because surely if she could remember aspects of the future, she'd have known not to send that letter? The one that summoned the Imperial Guard to the Border and got her killed?

Another possibility is that Sayless' precognition passed to Yu-no when Yu-no was born, not when Sayless died. This would explain why Yu-no was the only character to have premonitions about the consequences of Takuya sending the letter, and later, of his capture in the temple.

The only reason this doesn't quite tally is because earlier in this thread, someone mentioned that the guidebook confirms that Keiko's suicide was in order to pass her priestess qualities on to Sayless - if the transfer required Keiko's death, why did it only require Yu-no's birth?

>>4053118
IIRC, Takuya asked Sayless once if she was talking to him after he heard her voice in his head and she seemed confused, so I took that to mean she isn't actually the one who was talking to him telepathically.

>>4053118
>guidebook
That's the one with all the artwork and concept sketches, right?

>>4053118
>guidebook
That's the one with all the artwork and concept sketches, right?

For those wondering about plot holes in the game, there's a Japanese site with various fan theories to many unanswered questions: http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Cinema/9480/index.html

It's somewhat legible in Google translate.

>>4053127

Oh wow, you're right. I forgot about that. Hm. All I can think of is that maybe Sayless becomes "unbound" in the timeline the same way Koudai does? Assuming you're >>4053083 , I think that's what you were implying anyway.

>>4053136

I believe so, I didn't know it existed until this thread and I can't read Japanese so I guess I won't get to read it anytime soon.

>>4053167
>one of the potential candidates for the "she" in Ryuuzouji's diary is Abel, who's actually a woman and Eriko's lesbian lover
I'm fucking dying.

>>4053175

Wasn't Abel specifically referred to as male by Eriko?

Actually, I think only "the scientist she worked under and loved" was referred to as male, and we all postulate that that's Abel based on her mumbling the name "Abel" in her sleep.

>>4053174
Just found this interesting little line while going through the translated script files:
>Koudai: 《She has crossed space-time and events in order to guide you... and you did the same for her, when she was on the brink of collapsing in the desert.》
I think this pretty much confirms that Sayless is also a being of time itself now.

>>4053191

Everyone seems to be invited to the time party but Ayumi, who dies needlessly and doesn't even get to go with her husbando into the beyond.

I feel awful for her, she was my favourite girl other than Keiko/Sayless/Yu-no

>>4053194
Oh shit, another Ayumifag. Nice.
To be honest, I love pretty much everything about her. Her design, her voice, her theme, how intelligent and motherly she is. Even in her route, which not a lot of people seem to like, my feelings pretty much synced up with Takuya's and I wanted to save her and deck Toyotomi one.
Will post more about Sayless in a bit since, like I said in >>4053191, I'm going through the script files right now, to find a certain line,

>>4053202

Yesssss, she's wonderful. It doesn't help that I have an oedipus complex as all-consuming as Takuya's. (I'm about to marry a woman who looks and acts like a somewhat gentler version of my mother, Ayumi reminds me a lot of her too.)

I can understand if people don't like Ayumi's route on the grounds that Takuya is a dense motherfucker for a fair chunk of it, but everything else in it is great. My only complaint is that you didn't get to fuck him up more.

Actually, come to think of it, literally my only complaints about Yu-no as a game in general are that you don't get to beat up Porky, and you don't get to beat up Toyotomi ENOUGH.

>>4053205

Uh, don't get to fuck Toyotomi up more, I meant. I'm sure you understood though.

>>4053205
If it makes you feel any better, there's a Toyotomi-like character in another one of Hiroyuki Kanno's games that has a far worse fate than he does.

>>4053209

Fuck yeah, which one?

>>4053213
EVE burst error

>>4053205
>you don't get to beat up Porky

You do get to in the unlockable scene just before entering the secret music room for the first time.

>>4053238

True! That was therapeutic, but it was only a single punch, sadly.

>>4053217
Thank you!

>>4053202
Found them:
L0C409: 01 "【絵里子】Her body and mind will likely be altogether ejected from the dimensional synchronization system and blown off to the farthest reaches of the dimensional void."
L0C5C7: 01 "【絵里子】Once her body has entered the wave of event elements, she will continue accelerating until her velocity exceeds that of the event elements. When that happens..."
L0C6AC: 01 "【絵里子】She will likely end up retracing the order of events."
So maybe there was a Sayless that allowed Grantia's consciousness to descend upon her, was send into the farthest reaches of space time as a result and is roaming it now.
Then again, Ayumi has this to say:
【亜由美】The process is too chaotic, so it is hard to determine exactly what will happen to the priestess... but most likely, she will perish in both body and mind.
But Yu-no and Takuya did manage to reach the first ever event safely, and Koudai's mind also seems to be alive, being able to talk to you and others, despite being part of the "dimensional void" too.

>>4053267
And to show where I'm really going with this:
>Sayless fulfills her duty
>she gets thrown into space time
>as she's tracing the order of events she sees this really cute guy named Takuya
>realizes that she could have met him if she abstained from her duties
>makes contact with epilogue Sayless
>tells her to not do the ritual and go to the border instead
>is also probably the "mother" that Takuya hears Sayless mention in the SP disk chapter, who tells her "not to worry" and that "Takuya will be there for her"
>may have also made contact with Koudai to arrange the whole thing hence why the CG of her at the lake flashes briefly in the opening
I know this all sounds dumb as fuck, but hey, we're all just throwing guesses around here anyway.

Anyone else think it's awesome how Takuya is voiced by the same guy who voiced Adult Link in Ocarina of Time? His yells and gasps made me want to look up online to confirm that after noticing the similarities.

>>4055674
dude I played OoT a long time ago so I dont remember but yeah it does seem similar when I try to remember

I still noticed sometimes that he had 2 different voice actors though

>mc gets all buffed in the end
>never kills anything ever

huh

>>4053209
I didn't think Nikaido was as bad as Toyotomi as far as being an annoying faggot was.

I wish I could see him getting fucked a bit more than what they showed but banging ayumi made it all worthy.

>>4055826
>not as bad
Dude
>sexually assaults Yayoi
>would probably make her give him her position if he succeeded in having his way with her
>fooled Akane into believing he loves her just so he could use her
>he also physically assaulted her
>and maybe sexually, but that's debatable
>indirectly responsible for her getting kidnapped and raped by Deeb's/Pat's goons
>is even more of an ass kissing tool than Toyotomi

>>4055956
Most of the shit that happened with Akane was her fault for sticking her head too deep in shit.

Also I played the all ages version of Burst Error and just recently realized they were banging.

I also don't remember nikaido saying that he loved her, it seemed like a proper exchange between adults and they ended up fucking. That could have been cut though

>>4036526
What is Yu-No

all this shit cut from main game on all ages for yu-no and eve is making me re-think playing console versions.

but on the other hand, the lesbo scene between marina and the glasses girl in eve was fucked up to all hell and i could go without it in my mind

it's a split.

>>4056669
You know?

>>4056671
>spoiler
I finished the original Win95 release and have the Adult remake installed to get around to. I wonder what I'm in for.

>>4056072
Remember in the beginning when Akane started gloating about her new boyfriend and how much more gentle and smarter he is than Kojirou? Well, guess who her "boyfriend" is.

>>4056671
The first lesbo scene in Desire left a worse taste in my mouth.

Can we agree that Yayoi and Eriko are the best girls of EBS and YU-NO respectively?

>>4056937
Oh shit I forgot about that, thanks bro. Fuck Nikaido

>>4057237
I can almost agree on Yayoi, but for I real I really liked Kyouko too. Or IDK if I liked her or if I liked her interactions with the MC. I'd be more inclined to agree Kojiroh was best girl, but sure I can agree with yayoi.

For yu-no is much harder though so whichever is fine by me

>>4057237
I was a happier man when I thought I had banged Eriko in the locker.

Damn it.

>>4057624
Kyoko is really great in EBS, but not so much in Love Potion, the game she originated from. She's just 2mysterious4you and probably looking down on you the entire time.

>>4057624
Kyoko is really great in EBE, but not so much in Love Potion, the game she originated from. She's just 2mysterious4you and probably looking down on you the entire time.

>>4057237
dudes that bottom cg of eriko made me so glad i skipped the remake of yu-no over the original

god damn i love that art

What does /vr/ think of the Desire remaster? I personally love that most of the redone art uses the same shading as the promotional art for EVE R and Desire instead of the really generic plastic-looking one most of the redrawn EVE R CGs had.

>>4059414
What's the premise and genre of this one? I might try the original.

Can anyone tell me what is this go! go! sayless game?

I finished the saturn version the other day, what is that? Like an expansion or something?

>>4059414
I thought they did a good job with eve burst error R man wtf

>>4059923
It's an extra scene that wasn't in the original release of the PC-98 game, and shortly afterwards a supplementary disk was released where it was included among various other extras. It's a deleted scene of sorts. It's the section in the epilogue where Takya and Sayless wander into the desert and fall in love, between Illia's death and Yu-no's birth. The fan translation and Saturn version directly integrate it to the main game.

It's probably my favourite sequence in the whole story, as it gives you a chance to care more about the characters before all the adventures that follow afterwards. The epilogue is really rushed in places, and I wish we got more scenes like this to flesh it out.

>>4059812
Desire is a pretty bad game with some good ideas. I wouldn't recommend playing unless you're just curious. It touches on a lot of themes that Yu-No later improved.

>>4060380
You know what bothered me the most abou desire?

>have groundhog day plot
>don't bother to show any of the previous loops

>>4060380
Can't agree with Desire being bad
Eve and YU-NO are certainly better tho

>>4060434
Pretty sure they were stuck in a deterministic loop, it always perpetuated itself exactly the same way forever

>>4060306
so hol'up, if i played the saturn version i already saw the content of go go sayless?

alright thanks

So lads, I never really understood that "Correction of Chaos" that made the MC go back to the beginning at the end of every route

Anyone here knows what was that?

>>4060441
I don't think the loop is something that just happens on its own no matter what. I mean, if Martina didn't do things like write young Tina a letter or hold Albert at gunpoint the loop may not have happened. But maybe that's why Martina did all that in the first place. Because, if the loop were broken in the late game where she's already failed to save her daughter, she'd never have a chance to try again or see Al again for that matter.

>>4060445
Pretty much, but there's also a short schoolgirl cosplay scene at the end where they discuss the authors' (unrealised) plans for the game.

>>4060483
Again, it's the deterministic approach. You can say "oh but if she didn't this things would be different", well in a deterministic universe where humans are assumed to have no actual free will and it's all the byproduct of atom collisions on a macro scale, everything in the universe will play out exactly the same down to a predictable mathematical model.
I can't exactly pinpoint if the deterministic approach was what they were going for, but I recall that was the idea I was left with when playing the game, but really I have no recollection which scene made me conclude that, so I might just be wrong.

There's a lot of stuff in this game I wish they had gone in more detail.

Like, Neumann's world, and some other stuff they just lightly go over but I kept scratching my head

also this >>4060474

>>4060474
All it really means is that if an anomaly occurs in space time, it gets fixed. In other words, if it's not the true ending then Takuya gets teleported to the beginning again to get the remaining jewels to get to the actual ending. Really, a lot of the scientific concepts in yu-no are only really used in service of the plot or to look cool. I mean, stuff like event Schwarzschild radius seem to be very loosely based on the actual scientific concepts they're based on.

Anyone have the background from the main menu?

>>4062798
This one?

>>4062829
>jpg
>saturn

>>4062798
Here ya go buddy

>>4062951
saturn is master race

>>4062962
For most things you'll hear no argument from me when it comes to the love saturn deserves, but even though it can pump out some pretty high resolutions, most VNs for some reason ended up not using the HR modes, so Yu-No will always be an inferior port.

>>4062968
only if you count modding the pc version with voice, otherwise no

>>4062978
Yeah the PC port has a voice patch. In fact there are no drawbacks to the PC patch, it has the extra saturn scenes and everything. And you can also patch in the original FM-synth from the PC-98 version.

>>4062968
The full screen CGs look pretty bad. The cutscenes are pretty damn low quality too (Not that they were particularly good to begin with. I mean, faggots didn't even bother to animate the scene where the wind blows up Ayumi's skirt and Takuya misses the panty shot by a hair.)

>>4062984
The PC port runs too fast resulting in a lot of the transition effects being imperceptible and making the game look choppy.

>>4062986
Heh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I guess you can also slap on the fullscreen mode criticism, which is less than ideal

Find a flaw.

>>4063392
God damn this looks like eye cancer, looked tons better on my TV

>>4063397
It's not that bad if you play it at a distance

>>4063392
Kanna is cute! CUTE!

>>4063392
So why did she pretend to not like the dog?

>>4063392
Why did they add extra jewels to the Saturn port?

>>4064941
To make it easier IIRC

I would totally watch a blind-playthrough of the PC port of this as there's none of it online.

>>4065576
Just play it nigga it's breddy gud

>>4064930
I think she legitimately did not like the dog at first, and it kinda makes sense if you relate to her view of life (the kind of work she does to live, how she has to keep switching her identity around and shit), and then there's the dog who lives carefree and only has to survive and be happy (or that's what she thought)

I'd guess she grown a soft spot for him later on though

Wait up

What if Abel really is a girl? Any arguments as to why not?

I mean damn, if you think about Eriko as a whole you may actually entertain that idea a bit more thoroughly...

>>4065768
>reading this after beating her route

>>4067750
Fake Ryuuzouji literally calls him a man so no

How do you respond?

>>4068319
Where? Could be a translation issue, and the best thing connecting Abel with fake Ryuuzouji is when he says how everything changed after "that woman" arrived"

Why couldn't "that woman" be Abel, if we're firm that fake ryuuzouji arrived to takuya's dimension as Abel before he became Ryuuzouji
?

IDK, makes sense to me

>>4068663
Because Ryuuzouji in the diary goes "Aaaaahhh, my head hurts!" on the last page, meaning it's most likely Real Ryuuzouji's diary and not the fake's

>>4068731
Well yeah, my bad that's what I meant. So the real ryuuzouji claims everything changed after "that woman arrived" and then he becomes fake ryuuzouji.

If there's firm evidence Ryuuzouji arrived as Abel, Eriko is a virgin and IDK why she seems to act like she is not interested in men, (though that could be because of her obsession in pursuing fake ryuuzouji) then it would make sense that Abel is a girl.

>>4068745
Okay. One problem, though.
Abel is a male name.

>>4068747
Prove it.

>>4068753
Straight from wikipedia

>>4068756
Fuck

>>4068757
Fun fact:
Abel is one of the two sons Adam and Eve had in the bible. The other is Cain who killed Abel.

I think that correction of chaos shit that makes you jump all the way to the beginning of the game is literally just that, a correction of something that's not meant to happen

since dela grante's shock with the earth all those years ago had a huge impact on that dimension, the schwarzeschild radius and inertial force of that event was too big to change

that's why kanna always sends back the MC and says "So you should go to the path you truly belong to" or whatever.

It's essentially a strong need for you to follow the path you're meant to follow

>>4049230
This looks horrifying.

>>4068761
God damn those guys are retarded.

Yo...

Yu-no is raped in the OVAs?

Anyone here willing to make an English video review of this game? I feel like more people needs to be aware of this one, for sure.

>>4071005
Maybe one day I will

>>4071005
Isn't the remake being localized to PS4/vita?

>Takuya isn't his own father

Was anyone else expecting otherwise?

>>4071005
Not sure you'd really need a *video* review specifically, but there exist some really good text reviews on various blogs and other sites already:

http://equimanthorn-lux.blogspot.com/2016/05/yu-no-girl-that-chants-love-at-edge-of.html
http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/blog/?p=254
https://tlwiki.org/?title=YU-NO_-_The_Girl_that_Chants_Love_at_the_Edge_of_the_World#Reviews
https://ps1e.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/yu-no/
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/yuno/yuno.htm

>>4071475
>Mio Shimazu, resident rich girl and tsundere, is initially cold towards Takuya’s lecherous joker personality, but she predictably falls for him once he starts taking her seriously.
I didn't think it was possible to misinterpret Mio's character this fucking much. Mio was always in love with Takuya, and the reason she was acting cold towards him because of his self-destructive behavior, and him fucking Mitsuki. She was also probably mad at herself for even falling in love with him in the first place, so her acting tsundere towards him might have been her way of not letting him have his way with her.

So was there any reason for Ayumi to be in the prologue's final scene?

So was there any reason for Ayumi to be in the prologue's final scene? She had literally nothing to do there. If anything, it feels like they shoehorned her in after they made her the God Empress instead of Mitsuki.

>>4072007
the more skeptical reason would be maybe they didnt want to hire more voice actors

but it kinda felt right for it to be her in the end though, since we needed someone to give a final explanation to wtf was going on, had to be someone takuya couldnt kill given the development thus far and had to be someone who had contact with someone who probably knew wtf was going on


so i guess she was the best bet

People saying how they thought the game got weaker on its last part, it seems that's kind of a thing in Kanno's works.

They also say Eve Burst Error was great till the last developments, which is kinda true since it's very hard to tell who the killer was unless you're a genius or something, also felt somewhat sudden I guess

>>4073268
The original version wasn't voiced

>>4073372
Oh yeah, so I guess second part holds better I suppose

>>4073268
I was talking about pic related, not the epilogue. Like, I don't understand why Ayumi needed to be there at all - other than to connect the scene with the epilogue, which we know had to be rushed for various reasons so changes were made late into development. The only thing I can think of really was Ryuuzouji's threat to hurt Ayumi's reputation if the incident were reported to the police, but he already had Takuya at gunpoint anyway so there was no need for that.
Going back to the connection with the epilogue and how Mitsuki was originally going to be the God Empress (Exact quote from the artbook: もしかして元は彼女が神帝だった!?or "Maybe originally she was supposed to be the God Empress?"), I think it would have made a lot more sense if it actually were Mitsuki there instead of Ayumi. Not only because it'd connect with the "original" epilogue but also because she's his right hand woman so it's natural that she'd be there with him, and I also think it would have enticed more players to play the Mitsuki route first, which is coincidentally the first route people recommend playing through and the first one in terms of CG order.

>>4073749
And more on the subject of Mitsuki and the epilogue, you guys remember how Mitsuki dies at the end of her route and Eriko laments how they're not able to save her in that timeline, right? When you think about it, the epilogue could have very well been your opportunity to actually save Mitsuki, and as an added bonus, it would have given Ryuuzouji an actual reason to be there.

>>4071064
i forgot it was and now i'm sad

>>4071064
>>4073989
So far the leak has only been a rumour and nothing has been officially announced/confirmed, right?

>>4074019
correct, although at least one other game from that leak has been confirmed since then, so the rest of it is probably real

Can anybody help me get this game installed? I got the bin/cue of the elf classics version, but I get some error in Japanese at the last step of the installation. I'm on windows 10, and I've tried with my locale set to English and Japanese

>>4075212
try applocale? The game might not work on Win 10. Make sure you run it in XP compatibility mode.

>>4075320
Got it. Had to use compatability more for xp sp2 instead of sp3. Thanks for motivating me to give it another shot lol

>>4073989
why would you care though?

>>4077305
Something something secondaries experiencing the inferior version of the game. Though, in my opinion, the anime is what the anon should actually feel sad about.