/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4041732
Some people have differing opinions to yours when it comes to video games. If your life really so fucking cushy, sheltered, and comfortable that THIS is what's important to you and keeps you awake at night?

Damn, I'm actually a bit jealous.

I'm overaged and I'm also in the "muh superior VI" camp.

Final Fantasy is a baby tier JRPG series anyway. Both are good games for what its worth but VI deserves a bit more praise VII has been overrated to hell and back

>>4041732
They're both shit. FFV is the best Final Fantasy.

>>4041918
A man of superior taste.

>>4041918
Gameplay and characters are great but it just isn't as interesting as 6 or 7

>>4041918
This.
Final Fantasy V's gameplay is god-tier.
But VI and VII have superior stories.

>>4041794
>I don't like it so it's baby tier
>my logic is because it doesn't star a bunch of underage girls like the rest of the retarded games I like

>>4041732
6 and 7 are very similar games, though? I mean, obviously there's some huge graphical differences, but in terms of actual gameplay and storytelling they're close.

The big transition in Final Fantasy was FF5 to FF6. Gameplay shot off in a whole different direction and the games became far more plot centric.

>>4041794
Final Fantasy 12 and 9 are the only ones that felt like they weren't baby tier. 9 still is but all the non-story related parts are insanely obtuse to grasp or play with, but can be done. 12 is the same way, if you try to do all the hunts and get all the espers prepare to have to do alot of insane tasks that all trigger at different times thru the game and aren't tracked anywhere but by the specific npcs that the specific side quest at the time tracks.

I'm doing a run now and my time in hours is larger than my party level, that hasn't happened in a FF game for me in a long while.

VI wasn't even the best final fantasy on the SNES. Chrono Trigger was way better than any other Square RPG that generation.

And in terms of story, you can only get so much mileage out of ripping off star wars. 12 was so blatant it was ridiculous.

>>4041918
The first FF i've played and still my favorite. The job system is so immersing and the old school atmosphere is charming, i still remember how excited i felt when i got the forbidden spells (flare, holy, meteor) and finding Ramuh on a random battle in a forest.

>>4041732
Some few years ago, this stigma got attached to FF7 about being the casual or poseur Final Fantasy pick. This was grounded in reality somewhat because of the overwhelming popularity of 7 and its characters (every online handle being some variation of xXx_$efiroth666_xXx). So all the cool hipster Final Fantasy fans announced 6 was their favorite. This bias has carried over to today and people are desperate to let everyone know that they aren't bandwagon fans jumping on the superior 7 hypetrain.

The problem, of course, is that FF6 fans have now become the most prolific and obnoxious of all the Final Fantasy fans. If anything, naming FF6 as your favorite just makes you a bandwagon poseur fan whereas appreciation for 7 is becoming the mark of a genuine fan of the series.

FF6 was the magnum opus of 2D and FF7 was the breathtaking birth of 3D. This obviously leads to bronies and born-too-lates to prefer the former while nostalgics and post-ironics will tend to prefer the latter.

Whatever their original qualities, I'm certain and morn remake is going to be an abortion. I have no hope for the ff7 remake

>>4042332
Graphically? FF6 isn't even animated, has a rather ugly palette and many lame tilesets.

Played all the FF games on release on their original systems (well, original US systems). FF6 was definitely the best overall FF, followed by 4 and 9. 8 was easily the worst. 7 ranks pretty high, but it's not in the top 3, not for me.

>>4041918
Most correct post ITT

>>4041732
FFVI was objectively a better game, I like VII more

>>4041745
fpbp

FF7 was vastly inferior to FF6 in every single aspect. I wouldnt call FF7 a huge disappointment though.

VII is better just because it doesn't have the world of ruin and doesn't send you on a character fetchquest

>>4042842
Well it does have one character fetch quest

>>4042306

This is the truth but that doesn't stop you from loving both games even if VII (while overrated in the past) is objectively better

>>4042306
Hasn't the "genuine fan" trope shifted to other games by now? I thought loving 9 made you the Genuine Fan. Or maybe it's 8 already.

>>4041732
I dont think we should worry about which is better. I find the story in FFVI but with a more childish graphics when we compare to FFVII, which I think its the reason its a big deal - it feels grown in comparisson to the previous 2d games (except for FFT).

>>4041918
I love the jobs but I think its badly balanced

>>4042867
>I love the jobs but I think its badly balanced
How so?

>>4041918
>theyre both shit

Im so tired of hyperbole

I do have to agree that I'm kinda sick of the whole "VI is superior" shit, to the point where it seems like most people just claim to like VI because "VII and everything afterwards is overrated garbage, I'm going to be all contrarian and shit and go with VI". In a way, it's almost as like VI is about as overrated as VII, and debatedly for worse reasons.

That said, I think VI and VII are both great games for their own reasons, I definitely would have a tough time deciding which is better though. VI has pretty as fuck graphics and pixel art that is objectively better than VII, but VII kinda has a comfy flare to it, also has the whole nice mix of past, present and future in the environments. VI has a nice steampunk style, but I am a huge sucker for cyberpunk, so VII also appeals to me. But at the end of the day, VI has the better story and better characters, but then again, I also find interest in VII's story, so whatever. I'd definitely recommend both games to anyone.

>>4042873
Some classes are better than others unless you wanted hard mode. Some spells eventually lost relevance as well.

You could use certain combinations to deal a lot d damage but in the end it was a lot safer to just go with what dealt more damage.
I remember being quite fond of blue mage, it learned a lot of fine spells if you were persistent enough to learn them

>>4042904

>Some classes are better than others
>some spells aren't that effective later
Well duh. It's not a competitive multiplayer game. I still don't see how it has poor balance. In fact I think it has great balance, just look at gimmick fiestas with bard, dancer, beastmaster, geomancer etc. clearing the game.

>>4042867
V is a fucking paragon of balance compared to VI and VII.

>>4042931
You got a point but unfortunately I couldnt feel that way, I just grinded jobs to see what cool passives I could get and combined to see what would deal better damage.

>>4042936
Thats why I played V but couldnt bring myself to fully enjoy it.

>>4042949
I believe there's more to playing RPGs than discovering the formula for highest damage.
A whip user will hardly deal more damage than some with Chicken knife etc., but he can save his party members from getting hit by Almagest and Grand Cross.

>implying Mystic Quest Legend isn't best

>>4042031

>Projecting this much

Did I hurt lil baby's feelings?

i remember a long fucking time ago people were gettin' real mad on the internet about 6 and 7.

so which one is better? the last time i criticized ff7, people said i was being autistic, and had impossible standards. mainly, i was criticizing the gameplay, but, while i've never published anything, i found huge flaws in its story, aside from the english translation.

to some people, ff7 is beyond reproach. i'm trying to avoid talking about me and my opinions here, but i don't have any hard data, so that's what i've got. what i can tell you is the people who think ff7 is beyond reproach seem to be the same audience that really likes anime. i don't care if you like anime, or if it's good anime or shit anime, or closet pedophile anime, but a lot of anime has problems like

- it's hard to understand the finer points of the story because of mistranslation.
- tendency to rely on vagueness and be cryptic.
- cliffhanger after cliffhanger and no resolution when it's over.
- style over substance.

in terms of gameplay, it's impossible to come to a consensus other than perhaps "fun games are fun". but fun seems to be relative. i consider ff7 a boring game because it doesn't stick to a definite set of rules, you can power through the whole game by min/maxing damage, thus making a lot of spells/abilities useless, and outside of combat it's just "find the right thing to press the square button on", which i don't consider compelling.

>>4042831
It has a better soundtrack, better area graphics, and the materia system is better than the esper system.

So, no, in every aspect it is not.

>>4043165
i don't think they pushed the materia system far enough. it was interesting on the surface, especially when you could add elements to your melee attacks, but ehhhh.

i appreciated that you could permanently learn spells from espers, but granted this makes deciding what esper to equip less of a bit deal.

maybe combine the ideas. make it so a really powerful materia comes with dire consequences, like you can do shitloads of damage, but it cuts your hp in half. just spitballing.

>see impaled zolom
>"THERE IS BUT ONE MAN WHO COULD HAVE CAST QUAKE 3...SEPHORPORHITH!"

>>4041918
https://youtu.be/xuWkvyeAu0E?t=88

>>4042861
nah, judging by this place V is the hipster's choice

>>4043183
so sakaguchi tried to get fired on purpose? is that true?

This is like arguing McDonald or Burger's King serve better food -- both is pig disgusting.

>>4043205
We all know Burger King is better now gfto

>>4043184
FF V and VI are what put emulators on the map back in the late 90s, but there are hipsters who actually think they are obscure games. FF V (which is good) was being hailed as a "hidden gem" basically right after the SNES was discontinued.

In any event, anyone who claims to like FF6 or 7 but not the other is either a troll or some sort of idiot, because the games are basically the same thing and are both good.

>>4043226
I could pretty much say this to the whole post. VI (Or as many called it at the time, III) was pretty hyped up by Nintendo power back then and treated like a pretty serious release for the system (Because it kinda was, amazing graphics, soundtrack, long story, long as fuck ending). Also yes, VI and VII share many similarities, both pretty much take place in some kind of x-punk world mixing elements of the real world's past present and future, both have you facing an army out to get you that the main character used to be a part of, and both games have an insane madman as the villain. Chances are if you hate VII, you probably would actually hate VI as well, I always kinda do assume that quite a bit of the people who claim to hate VII probably never played it and refuse to because of stigma or never played it past a certain part.

Where's my nigga Edgar at?

>>4043407
In a backwater village, having sex with underage girls

>>4043410

Living the 4chan dream.

>>4042306
Final Fantasy VI was the poor man's VII.

Notice how the "6 > 7" bandwagon was at its height just before Playstation emulation got good?

What's the best translation for each Final Fantasy game?

I want something to play on my phone, should I go with V or VI?

>>4043548
I've played through the gba version of FF5 on my phone 3 times now and you should do the same

>>4043554
Thanks man, will do.
I love FFT and FFT:A so I've always wanted to dick around with the job system.

>>4043548
Pokemon

>>4043548
Get an SNES emulator for your phone and download both roms

>>4043563
Already played em to Hell and back.

>>4043567
Why, is the gba port trash or something?

>>4043580
Fine, you can get a GBA emulator and get the GBA roms

>>4041732
Whereas VI is my first and my top favorite, IV and V have both grown on me immensely and I enjoy them a little more than either VI or VII

But to stay on topic

I feel like VI has the better story, not to mention better graphics, VII aged like stale milk through and through.
Cloud is a cool main character but he was also thrown into the 'cool character trope' like Sasuke/Itachi from Naruto or seshomaru from inuyasha or some shit.
Terra and Celes are really good characters and I really enjoyed how there were two main characters or rather the game shifted perspective a lot instead of pulling a Megaman [X] where Zero or Protoman would "go off to the computer room and tell you to take care of the big baddie" what about their story? VI delivers that VII only does that when Cloud is literally retarded

My final say is both Kefka and Sephiroth tried to destroy the Planet
Story wise, Kefka did and Sephiroth didn't
I personally like it when the bad guys win; just because Celes and co. Took out Kefka, the planet is still fucked and a barren wasteland it can recuperate for sure but it won't be easy for a logistical stand point. Gaia from VII is pretty much acting like nothing happened save for a few select people that know what actually happened
Side note: Both IV and V also had worldly impacts that every towns folk feels and comments on (Granted IV only happened in after years)

>>4044262
This is horrible, horrible bait

>>4044650
>mfw i'm being serious and it's considered bait
tl;dr
VI is better because characters, story and art
also bad guy wins

>>4043580
It's great but the sound is really bad. Sound restoration patch fixes it to an extent.

>>4044807
Ok nigga but all of that is better in 7
And Sephiroth does a whole lot of winning too

>>4044862
I actually love the new Game Boy Advance remixes.
I still love the Super Famicom original mixes more and they are still better than the Game Boy Advance remixes.

Try listening to the Super Famicom soundtracks first then give the Game Boy Advance remixes a try, then decide if you want to apply the sound restoration patch.

>>4044867
Character perspective in VII is always Cloud unless he's retarded
VI is Cyan, Sabin and Gau at one point, Locke Celes, and then Terra and Edgar

The latter half of the game it changes perspective from Terra being he main Character to Celes

When does Sephiroth win?
Name one time he does, Advent children for coming back? Crisis core for surviving Zacks attack?
Where in Final Fantasy VII does he win?
All encounters with him until the final point is a Jenova clone, unless you're thinking Aerith-s dying but that's one incident versus Kefka storming Thamasa takin all the Espers, Killing Leo, Kefka killing Ghestahl and Wrecking the planet, Poisoning the river Killing everyone in Doma

But sure one girl is a win

>>4044876
>Where in Final Fantasy VII does he win?
FFVII is more interpersonal than VI. Sephiroth's victory moment is forcing Cloud to deliver the black materia to him. Affirming the fear that Cloud is nothing more than a puppet, breaking him. Bonus being that he also throws the world into despair with meteor's summoning.

This is akin to Kefka's statue moving moment in terms of what the villain personally acts to achieve. The difference is Sephiroth exerts more for less yield. Circumstance of existing in a different plot.

>>4044881
Terra was a slave to Kefka too, and was duped by him multiple time throughout the story.
The biggest one was releasing all the espers into the world

>>4044883
Terra;s pratfalls with Kefka aren't his victory moments any more than Sephiroth's numerous goadings. Both have their core victories - Kefka and his statues, Sephiroth and the black materia.

>>4044869
not that guy, but I compared the intro themes of the normal GBA version of FF5 and the sound patched version for about 15 seconds. I came to the conclusion that the patched version wins by a landslide.

>>4044928
GBA sounds are garbage

If you can get over what the character sprites look like (they grew on me) the mobile version of V isn't all bad
Everything else looks and sounds fantastic

>>4044928
The Game Boy Advance remixes are quite decent but nothing will truly beat the Super Famicom versions.

But even if the Super Famicom versions are still better, the Game Boy Advance remixes are good enough on their own and I wouldn't apply the sound restoration patch to my own ROM.

>>4044930
The iPhone/PC version's controls and interface are broken, but I did love some of the actual improvements that they did like making Cyan more useful in VI and adding in Auto-Battle which was introduced in Final Fantasy IV Remake and Final Fantasy XIII.

The graphics are decent but they could've done so much better, like the PSP versions of I Remake, II Remake and IV.

>>4044937
I agree,
Can't stand VI mobile's interface at all. I feel like V is just fine though.

When they truly remake 6 it'll be much better

>>4044947
My only gripe is that they should've also ported V and VI to PSP or PS Vita with graphics similar to Final Fantasy IV: The Complete Collection, then they can port that version to iPhone/PC.

>>4044262

Yeah, the planet on VI doesn't fight back unlike Gaia

>>4044974

Also, the 'the planet destruction' of Kefka was superficial and left all the main characters alive, and then he was defeated. Had Sephiroth succeded with Meteor the planet would have been completely destroyed, like the rest of the planets you see in his Supernova animation, and after that he would have eaten the lifestream in the planet just like Jenova did before coming to Gaia with other planets.

>>4041745
fpbp.

>>4044262
>not to mention better graphics
Yeeeah.

>>4041732
>But really, what is with this annoying group-think?

Butthurt Nintendo fanboys who are mad FFVII went to Sony instead of Nintendo 64. This type of butthurt is rare, because it lasting over 20 years.

>>4046058
>cherry picking the shittiest looking part of the game

>>4046069
Look you're free to prefer the copy pasted towns, cardboard cutout sprite enemies with cartoony animated allies on the battle screens, and the glorious parallax scrolling overworld all you want but it's another kind of delusion all together to say that those are "better graphics" than even FF7's wonky lego chibi avatars when the custom rendered backgrounds alone absolutely destroy what the SNES offered.

>>4046073
But anon, I like both games

>>4046115
Me too. Just, to the originator of this comment chain, I can't agree with saying FF6 has better graphics. It's an autistic quibble but "I prefer how FF6 looks" is even more acceptable to me.

>>4041732
I'm convinced people only like 6 because it hasn't been raped like 7 was. What if it was the other way around.

>>4042861
I think 9 is a good candidate for making you the true fan. 8 is kind of the hipster route, but I do love it.. I wonder when 2 will come into fruition. imo, 2 is really good and kind of the underdog. I liked attacking my own guys in the woods, it made me laugh and was a fun way to increase hp.

>>4046397
When I got into the series in 2000 I went through the backlog after reading through a lot of public opinion and back then even more than now FF7 was the sacrificial effigy everyone and their dog put up to diss for 'net cred. The thing to do was blatantly hate on FF7 because it had spawned an army of young xx_S3p1r0th_xx23 kiddos everywhere and "Feh, it's not even THAT good".

Going into both 6 and 7 at around the same time I came out feeling very positive for both and sad that the community felt the need to hold one up, seemingly in defense against the sheer number of fans the other had, while simultaneously knocking 7 because so many liked it. And here I was just happy to have experienced both.

As time has passed I've more settled on favoring 7 because at the end of the day I just find the characters, mood, and setting more appealing. But I really wish FF fans could just stop whipping their dicks out for measuring and get along. These decades old arguments are tired.

6 is the start of the decline of the Final Fantasy series. It, and each game after it is worse and worse, until we get to the tripe that is 15.

>>4043387
It was always on top of the nintendo power rankings too