/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4034529
>>the MS was superior to the NES, and Mario aside, had the better titles.
It had more, but worse framerates. Like a bizarro reverse sega genesis.

>>4034529 (OP)
>>the MS was superior to the NES, and Mario aside, had the better titles.
It had more color, but worse framerates. Like a bizarro reverse sega genesis.

>>4034529

>Doom is boring and never looked good. It doesn't appear 3D and the enemies look and act like a joke.
>like a joke

It's a video game. Honestly its apparent to me you weren't even alive at the time. I get not liking it but...how were these graphics a joke at the time? They were anything but. Grats on outing yourself, retard.

>Sonic the Hedghog is repatative, easy and not fun. b but it's fast!! so what it's just a run through game that doesn't get better as you progress.

Errors with this sentence aside, you can boil down every game to what they are at their core to make them sound like shit. This criticism of platformers is nothing new and doesn't really hold any merit. If you just hold right and only right you aren't going to clear the game.

>the MS was superior to the NES, and Mario aside, had the better titles.

kek, ok hipster-fag.

>The SNES had better visuals and sound than the MD but the MD could handle more action on screen. Other than that it's only about titles

That isn't an unpopular opinion. It's the common consensus and anybody perpetuating that dead Console War is just doing it for nostalgic value. Most people give the edge to SEGA for the SEGA Arcade games/Treasure games and to Nintendo for the 1st party lineup and Square Soft RPGS/Capcom games but in the end they both have great libraries.

shitty start for a shitty thread. great.

I like Mega Man II on Gameboy

>>4034529
>contrarian edgeling thread
FTFYK
My contribution to this fucktardery
>/vr/ gets better in the summer

>>4034529
What are some decent master system games? My mega everdrive is compatible with MS roms so I downloaded the whole library and can play from my genesis. Problem is, I'm American and never even knew the master system existed until the late 90s, so I don't know what's worth playing on it.

All I know is that Alex Kidd is a horrible franchise aside from that shinobi spin-off and the MS version of Sanic 1 is supposedly really good

>>4034529

The fact that you are hating on masterpieces and incapable of spelling large words makes its extremely obvious that you're underage.

>>4034576
>What are some decent master system games?
Golden Axe Warrior
Golvelius
Ninja Gaiden
Phantasy Star
Wonder Boy 3 The Dragon's Trap
Quartet
Zillion

>>4034529
op's a faggot but has good taste in women

this is now a vidya girl thread

I think games today are better than in the past and much more fun because they're easier

>>4034529
>Doom never looked good

Considering hardware capabilities and the competition at the time this is an objectively false statement rather than mere opinion.

>Sonic the Hedghog is repatative, easy and not fun.

Played it and wasn't a fan, but repetitiveness didn't come across as one of its problems.

>the MS was superior to the NES, and Mario aside, had the better titles.

Curious, considering your very next statement.

>The SNES had better visuals and sound than the MD but the MD could handle more action on screen. Other than that it's only about titles.

Not an unpopular opinion at all.

>>4034576
excellent arcade ports
>super hang on
>outrun
>double dragon
>space harrier
>choplifter
>after burner
>shinobi
>wonder boy
beat the shit out of anything the NES could do

I actually liked Simon's Quest.

>>4034764
>Curious, considering your very next statement.
MS had better titles than the NES and did them better

it's a throw up between SNES and MD titles as many are exclusive, however shared titles are usually better on the SNES. But some of the best shmups and arcade ports are MD

>>4034571
>It's a video game. Honestly its apparent to me you weren't even alive at the time. I get not liking it but...how were these graphics a joke at the time?
I'm 42 now so...
also didn't say the graphics were a joke; just that the AI and the character animations were a joke. And they are.

>>4034732
You disgust me.

>>4034764
>mere opinion

Opinions can be wrong logicpleb

Pokemon is a mediocre RPG

>>4034529
Raspberry Pi 3 makes a terrific little emulation machine

>>4034786
Not an opinion, it's a fact.

>>4034774
AI actually was rather good for that period. Enemies did not approach you in the straight line despite popular belief, and could aim for each other just as well as for the player, so he could incite infighting among them which was unheard of at the time.

>>4034529
These are all very reasonable, especially your insights into Doom.

>>4034807
>AI was pretty good
>Despite popular belief
Fuck off with the Revisionist crap. The game is shit. Ugly, repetitive tripe that appealed to angsty, teen edgelords and future school shooter psychopaths.

>>4034865
>The game is ugly shit
Just like you.

nes is shit

I fucking hate old video games!
And new ones too!

I greatly dislike how most sonic games feel, especially the early ones. Its too floaty and imprecise for me. My favourite sonic game is probably heroes

>Unpopular opinions
OP is a heterosexual and made a high-quality post

>>4034529
Ys games are better than Zelda games.

>>4034872
>Implying he's not Moviebob
That fat faggot said that he has a loathing for the FPS genre as a whole because the bullies that tormented him in the past were fans of Doom

ooo boy reddit thread!

>>4034574
You come up with a good thread, then. Let's see.
Save the board, o righteous one.

>>4034882
But that's not unpopular here

Not exactly retro but the Mega Man Zero games, specifically the first two, are fucking terrible and I have no idea how they're considered the pinnacle of the Mega Man franchise. I can forgive the first game since they were obviously just throwing shit at a wall and seeing what stuck, but the second game had all the same flaws i.e grindy bullshit, overlong unskippable cutscenes etc. when they clearly should have known better by then.

Chrono Trigger isn't that much fun to play.

>Chrono Trigger, while maybe not your personal favorite RPG, is, from an objective standpoint, the most well made of the retro games in it's genre, if not all games in it's genre

>>4034529
>Doom is boring and never looked good. It doesn't appear 3D and the enemies look and act like a joke.
This, doom was shit back in 93 and its shit now

>>4034571
>how were these graphics a joke at the time?
Virtua Fighter came out at the same time as doom.

If you honestly think doom had good graphics for its time then you clearly weren't alive when it was released

>>4034906
But it's a fact.

The only real contrarian opinion I have is that while I think fighting games are fun, I also think they're poorly designed, and the genre never improved after the late 90s.

>>4034529
I enjoy playing videogames and respect other's views as long as they properly defend their argument.

The third generation is skippable. The 4th did it better while retaining the same paradigm.

>>4034619
fuck off /v/

>>4034990

>If you honestly think doom had good graphics for its time then you clearly weren't alive when it was released

Virtua fighter was arcade only for a while and it was STANDARD for the arcades to have better graphics. Cherry picking virtua fighter doesn't change that DOOM was for a time, some of the best you could play graphically in your own home.

Basically, I was alive at the time and its very evident that you're either just an asshole or you're LARPING. Stop.

>>4034774

>the ai and character animations were a joke
>and they are

At the time, no one had that criticism. This is 100% hindsight at work and its hilarious to see you act like its a legitimate flaw. The game is an action game not a horror game, so who honestly cares about their animations besides..well..you? I have literally never seen this complaint before.

>>4035039
>some of the best you could play graphically in your own home.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No

>>4034529
>>4034732
>>4034774
>>4034863
>>4034921
>>4034985
>>>/v/
Go there and stay

>>4035042

>HAHAHAHAHAHA
>No

Not an argument anon. I mean, you can try to revise history all you want but I was there and know better. Others do too.

>>4035048
Who are you trying to kid?

>>4034953

I don't think you'll get that much disagreement since it's so easy that you could completely ignore its unique features, but the experience overall is great despite that.

>>4035049
Name a game with better graphics at that time that most people could afford.

>>4035049

>Who are you trying to kid?

No one. I grew up during the era and when DOOM was praised, it was also because of its graphics. I don't really know why you're trying to pretend like this didn't happen but I think you have some severe issues bud.

>>4035052
Virtua Fighter

>>4035057
>I grew up during the era and when DOOM was praised, it was also because of its graphics.
literally never happened, no matter how hard you try to revise history

>>4034529
Oh OP the /vr/ doom defense force gets very VERY angry if you dont mindless circle jerk this turd of a game.

>>4035052
Myst

>>4035052
The 7th Guest

>>4035052
Sam & Max Hit the Road

>>4035060

>tries to revise history
>b-but you're the one trying to revise history!!!

Stop shitposting. You're part of why this board has gone downhill good fucking god.

>https://web.archive.org/web/20121023154751/http://www.edge-online.com/review/doom-review/
>"Doom will run okay on almost any hardisked PC, but play it on a high-end system and it is immediately recognisable as a very, very impressive piece of software, with graphics technology way up there with the Strike Commanders and Comanches of this world. And the speed at which it all works is nothing short of breathtaking."

It's time to eat a slice of humble pie anon.

>>4035059
Virtua fighter looked like shit.
>>4035067
Pre rendered garbage
>>4035068
Came out a year after Doom's release.

only the Japanese nintendo games are ones worth playing

>>4035076
>Virtua fighter looked like shit.
>thinks doom looks good
Oh i am laffin

>>4035064

You can dislike the game. but to blatantly lie like OP did is gonna get people on your ass.

>DOOM never looked good

Blatant lie. It was praised all the time back then. Go eat your froot loops kid.

>>4035080

>its a 19 year old acts like he was there in 1993 episode

don't you fags have better things to do than lie about an old game on a japanese inspired image board website?

>>4035081
doom was shit and it looked like shit, you have been given multiple examples of games that actually looked good from the same time period.

>>4034529
Unpopular opinion or B8 thread. I'm guessing B8 I r8 8/8

>>4035092

and you've ignored a review from 94 that praised the game's graphics. Nice.

literally every one of those games was commented on too in this post >>4035076

Honestly anon, why the fuck are you posting? You're just lying out your teeth and ignoring evidence.

I was never a doom fan, in fact I only started enjoying fps games when a friend of mine showed me him playing quake against real people, but you guys are being obnoxious.

Doom had good graphics yes, specially when compared to the most popular consoles of the time: SNES and MD.

That being said, do not forget Alone in the dark was released in 92 and alone in the dark 2 was released in 93.

>>4035094
Make it less obvious you are baiting next time

>>4035096
And don't forget I robot was released in 1983, your point? Also the graphics of Doom looked better than Star Fox or Alien vs Predator from 1993.

>>4035104
How is he baiting when you're the one bashing doom. Only a troll would do that.

>>4035106
Here comes the doom defense force

>>4035108
You knew you were doomed when you fucked with Doom.

>>4035104

I wasnt baiting.

Thanks for bringing the quality of the board down.

>>4035105
Someone asked to name an affordable game with good graphics released around the time doom came out.

>>4034529
Shitty bait OP, but you managed to start a shit storm.

>>4034529
>>the MS was superior to the NES, and Mario aside, had the better titles.
This is not an opinion, this is just being wrong.

Playing FF6 for the first time and while the story is interesting, the gameplay leaves quite a bit to be desired

>>4034732
Didnt know that AAA executives were allowed to post in /vr/

The PlayStation: Great games, not a great console. The way it looks, those load times, that cheap feel of the controler, the muddled 3D graphics, how bad it was usually at handling 2D, etc. Like the PS2, the best library of that generation, but if I had the choice I'd have played it on other systems.

as far as doom goes yer on point, i dot think yer a veteran gamer but i will say doom wasnt an amazing gaming experience although stunning to behold with its new possibilitys at the time...

sonic was always a by product of mario, nothing more nothing less, fun, but uninspiring in design

i agree the master system graphically was superior as a videogame system i liked it beter than the nes, but zelda? super mario bros? these are games of a completely different caliber...

and yep, anons are right, last 1 isnt a unpopular opiion

>>4035105
>the graphics of Doom looked better than Star Fox or Alien vs Predator from 1993.
what the fuck am I reading

Doom was overhyped by fanboys and PC magazines because they were all butthurt about games consoles being a much better and cheaper option for gamers.

>Castlevania I is over valued for its difficulty thanks to the shit mechanics

>>4035104
>Guys, look at how retarded i am!

Dreamcast games ran better than their arcade originals and the Dreamcast controller with the analogue stick and triggers was way better than the PSX with it's d-pad, 4buttons and 2 shoulder buttons. The original PSX pad felt flimsy and poor quality.

Also 75% of Playstation games are crappy and forgettable

>>4034786
All Pokemon games suck unless you expressly like Pokemon

>>4034529
my unpopular opinion:

Doom was the beginning of the end. Caused the market to shift focus way too heavily towards first person shooters. Yes doombabbies you created COD and Halo babbies

It seems like the obsession with FPS has died down quite a bit in the past 5 years or so, so it's not too big a deal anymore.

>>4035251
>>4035231
These are both reasonable opinions.

>>4035260
>Sony shills have taken over /vr/
Fuck

>>4035292
>Caused the market to shift focus way too heavily towards first person shooters.
I thought that was great, we got some amazing classics out of that.

Darkstalkers is as good as Street Fighter and Marvel.

>>4034921
>a thread can stop underage shitposting
lel

>>4035334
jeez, it might even be better than them. It introduced air blocking, chain combos, crouch walking, ex specials. it was a pretty good game

>>4034529
>OP has good taste

>>4034529
just wanted to say that, all I really want is to eat her snatch.

>>4034769
Most people who dislike it just parrot the opinions of idiots on youtube. Very few have actually played it.

>>4034774
I always assumed the baiting shitposters were teenagers. Really disappointed to see that they're forty year olds.

>FF8 > FF7

>>4035231

I guess. Problem with vidya is that it is technological based and it should be judged according to it's time period moreso than just about everything this else...movies, books, art

As an adult it requires nostalgia to enjoy just about every game from 1999 or earlier. I have a hard time imagining anyone being able to enjoy a 1990s era 16-bit RPG nowadays if they have played modern 3d shit.

I was a huge RPG gamer back in the day but never played the Breath of Fire series. I tried playing a couple of them a year or two ago and just got bored...yet I have no doubt I would have loved them back on release. Nostalgia is the reason I can play FFII (Snes) over and over...got help anyone trying to play a 90s rpg for the first time.

>>4035756
I grew up on the playstation FFs and had no problems going back to some of the earlier games (I, II, IV and VI)
breath of fire 2 on the other hand is one of the worst rpgs I've ever played along with Xenogears, so yeah

>>4035756

>it requires nostalgia

I was born in 1991 and may have gotten hand me downs from my brother between the Ps1 and SNES but I was able to go back and play NES games, Master System, Turbografx 16, Genesis and PC games and etc. I think you get the point man.

>>4035761

Xenogears isn't for everyone, but I loved it.

Fucking fuck this is the worst bait I've ever seen.

>>4035334
The combos and intricacy of sf2 is second to none

Also the improvement of gamers over time kinda made it a career game.

>>4035252
>zelda
That peaked on the snes

The nes version was OK but the snes Zelda blew your tits off. A great improvement

wolfenstein > doom

The entire Resident Evil series is the textbook definition of overrated. It was neither original nor innovative nor scary, all it did was popularize the shitty tank controls gimmick every hack developer was shamelessly imitating in the late 90s.

>>4035756
Nah, it is not nostalgia. I played Breath of Fire III and IV just this year, III was great and IV is now one of my all time favorite games, I loved it. People change, you just don't like rpgs anymore. I think though saying nostalgia is the only reason people enjoy older games is kind of ignorant.

>>4036541
2D controls with fixed camera angles are the worst thing ever though

The only good aspect of Earthbound is the rolling health mechanic.

>>4036562
Eh, we already have like three falseflag earthbound threads, maybe try there.

I don't know, the earthbound threads just make me sad. It's my personal favorite game, seeing all the shitposting surrounding it sucks.

>>4036562
the insta-wins for free exp against weak enemies are also nice, and resetting enemies by going back and forth

>>4036567
Fact is, Earthbound lives and dies by its quirkiness. If that quirkiness doesn't do anything for you, the game will do nothing for you. And since it's excessively hyped up and overpriced, lots of people feel burned by it.

>>4036541
I loved the fight or flight feel, and it was scary back in the day. 1-3 and Veronica were great, 4 was so different but great (they had to choose a new direction ) but 5 and anything after 5 weren't anything remotely resident evil. They were new games based slightly in the RE universe

>>4034995
>But it's a fact.
But an unpopular one.

>>4034921
>>4035117
If you want quality come here on new imageboard:
https://mrumu.com/games/index.html

We ban shitposters. We just started out.

>>4034529
>Doom is boring and never looked good. It doesn't appear 3D and the enemies look and act like a joke.
The developers admit it was not a 3D game as they wanted it on your average joes computer even then it really is subjective if you like the gameplay or not since if you prefer slow paced RPG's it is not for you.
>Sonic the Hedghog is repatative, easy and not fun. b but it's fast!! so what it's just a run through game that doesn't get better as you progress.
The original sonic along with the second and the CD version is a good game however sega did overdo sonic even on genesis.
>the MS was superior to the NES, and Mario aside, had the better titles.
No the master system is garbage of a system that was advanced in the day however it was not as fun nor did it get all of the titles there was no contra, no castilevania, no final fantasy, no tetris, no battletoads and worse of all no megaman on the platform and those were not console exclusives made by Nintendo, contra got ported over along with castilevania and battletoads, and tetris, megaman and final fantasy all went on different platforms later.

The closet the master system ever got was ghouls and ghosts but even then the original was better.
>The SNES had better visuals and sound than the MD but the MD could handle more action on screen. Other than that it's only about titles.
The Genesis was a faster unit but even then the SNES could play doom without needing life support.

>>4036659
To be fair on the Genesis, SNES cart had an extra chip to make Doom run at bearable speed.

Also Genesis is much more limited in the color department, which lead to some titles, that utilised SNES color capabilities right, to look better than what was generally available on Genesis.


Another thing about Doom: while level layout can only have a single plane which leads people to "It's not really 3D" argument, player, monsters and projectiles have 3 axis of movement. IMO it's better to call it "Limited 3D" than anything else, especially since real 3D can be somewhat emulated in it via trickery.

I played Doom for the first time about 6 months ago and thought it looked pretty good. It's aged remarkably well.

>>4034619
Why is geomancer an underraged slot?

>>4034573
It's actually one of my favorite GB games

>>4037306
try looking at some other titkes around the same time. It's overhyped by many pissed off PCfags who had most of their ilk move over to consoles.

>>4034529
>>Doom is boring and never looked good.
Contrarian hipster bullshit.

I can understand if you think it didn't age well, but -never- looked good? Please show me a game from 1993 or earlier that looked better than Doom. I'll wait.

>>4034529
Old Sonic games are overrated and boring as fuck. You literally hold a button and sometimes jump. It's almost flappy bird tier.

>>4038032
sonic the hedgehog

>>4034529
>>4034529
I think a ton of old games are awesome. But that doesn't stop me from loving a lot of new games as well.

There are ups and downs, but overall gaming in general just gets better and better. The past is glorious but the future is exciting.

Lmao OP seems to have struck a nerve. Doomfaggots get so fucking butthurt whenever someone dares to criticize that piece of shit game. When will the doom general be moved to /vg/ where it belongs? It's not like you autists never talk about anything else but non-retro modifications.

>>4038032
I would never call Doom a bad looking game, but purely graphically Myst blows it out of the water and a bunch of it's contemporary and earlier games also looked better.

Doom is still fucking awesome though and looked amazing when it came out. OP is retarded.

>>4038743
Nice tears Kiddo. :)

Super Mario World is the worst of the retro 2D Marios second only to Super Mario Land 2.

A Link to the Past has an ugly art style, I wish that Gameboy remake really did happen because the GBC Zelda games have the best aesthetics out of all 2D Zeldas.

The only good Wario Land is WL2, Wario World is better than them all.

The only good romhacks are QOL hacks to existing games, all this "more challenging experience" bullshit is built by people who don't know shit about good level design.

>>4036957
>To be fair on the Genesis, SNES cart had an extra chip to make Doom run at bearable speed.
The thing is all it took for the SNES was a chip rather then life support that needed its own power supply. The sega 32x was complete garbage that should have just been cancelled and have the Saturn release a year earlier in the states.
> IMO it's better to call it "Limited 3D" than anything else, especially since real 3D can be somewhat emulated in it via trickery.
It is 3d enough to get the average consumer to buy into it but it is not 3d in the way of actual power.

Doom would have required more powerful hardware then most people had back in 93 to play it.

>>4035532
While not "AVGN meme shit ass horrible game", Simon's Quest is objectively the worst game in the 2D series.

And I'm not even talking about the impossible cryptic stuff.
Heck, after learning about the mechanics behind tornado I was able to figure everything else out.
But it's just so easy and repetitive. All the castles are exactly the same.
Same monsters, same graphics, same everything. The bosses are a joke.

Good game compared to the worst platformers on the NES, but bad compared to Castlevania platformers.

>>4039360
Though you might be right, it's always been my favorite of them by far.

>>4039373

Probably because you cant beat 1 or 3

New video games have not gotten worse, they just haven't been inspiring. They suck because they do things you've already done before. But if you had played them before everything else you would have loved them.

>>4039395
Nah, I beat them as well. They're some of the only platforner games I liked. But 2 just felt like a big open adventure and I always loved that. It's the only one I still go back to. I did need help from a friend for the crystal kneeling though.

>>4039414
>But if you had played them before everything else you would have loved them.

Video games barely existed at all when I was born. I've always loved it and I think gaming just gets better and better.

>>4039420
suck a dick

>>4039425
I honestly mostly just feel bad for you. I never have enough time for everything I want to play, it's hard for me to really imagine people like you are real.

>>4034882

>>4039440
suck a dick

>>4034882
me too!

>>4035756
I played Earthbound for the first time last year.

>>4040179
So, took you 20 years to realize it's shit, right?

>>4035756
I've been playing nothing but old RPGs for the last year and I think they are still great. Maybe you just don't enjoy them anymore.

>>4040182
Nah it was pretty fun, I don't like JRPGS as a rule but the grind was minimal and it was very pleasing to look at.

I don't think it's the end all be all like some people but would recommend.

>>4034529
It's better, financialy and mentally, to stay behind a generation when gaming.

right now you should be playing the ps3,360 and wii U.

>>4036527
Blood>Duke3d>Doom>Wolfenstein

>>4037957
>Being THIS butthurt about the superior platform

>>4038759
>but purely graphically Myst blows it out of the water
Myst is litterally a slideshow.

>>4039415
>2 just felt like a big open adventure and I always loved that

Exactly how I felt about it. Enjoyed the linear installments but the nonlinear gameplay made 2 special. Later discovered Vampire Killer on the MSX2 was fairly nonlinear and probably served as a basis. Unsurprisingly Metroid is another favorite.

>I did need help from a friend for the crystal kneeling though.

As a kid I figured out the kneeling thing fairly quickly. Crouching was the first thing I tried that seemed like praying. Then for the cliff I thought of mario brick punching but after jumping and not hitting anything I noticed your head is closer to the cliff in the "kneel" pose, and since that did something previously...

I felt like a goddamn genius. And then proceeded to waste a shitton of garlic on the ferryman.

>>4038759
>purely graphically Myst blows it out of the water

Myst is a fucking glorified hypercard CYOA. It's entirely prerendered stills and quicktime clips.

I don't enjoy videogames based on factual opinions.

Take that zelda, earthbound and trigger fags.

Virtua fighter was arcade only for a while and it was STANDARD for the arcades to have better graphics

>>4035039

The fact that doom was at home doesn't magically make the graphics better. The fact is that there were plenty of better looking games from around the same time. The fact that those games happen to be arcade games is irrelevant.

>>4040464
Which is why nobody ever bothered with consoles or home computer games back then.

Because the only reasonable comparison you can make for the time period is with a $3000 single-title piece of hardware.

VF doesn't even look good. Early 3D a shit.

>>4037957
>>>4034573
>Overhyped
Literally no console could reproduce DOOM's performance and graphics until PSX, and even then it was only 320X200.

>>4036567
>seeing all the shitposting surrounded it sucks
That's what happens when out of nowhere all kinds of hipsters start loving and praising your favourite games. They become annoying as fuck and so people just start shitposting. I personally never liked Earthbound, but I can understand its appeal.

>>4040514
Fuck Virtua Fighter. Daytona USA came out like 4 months before Doom and looks better than console games from years later.

>Which is why nobody ever bothered with consoles or home computer games back then.

People bothered with them because they were at home. That doesn't mean that consoles and computers had good graphics, it just meant that the convenience of being able to play at home outweighed the desire for good graphics.

>>4040549
Which is why you compare like with like, otherwise it's a meaningless exercise.

I hate nes megaman games. I just want the ability to shoot up.

Marathon's only saving grace is it's control scheme. Other wise it's a par DooM clone.

the first Sonic game on Master System is way more fun than the first Sonic game on the Genesis. I actually owned the MS version and didn't play the popular one until I was much older, so I assumed they were all like the one I had.. I was kinda disappointed.

>>4034576
some of the Disney games were good.
Lucky Dime Caper (Donald Duck)
Castle of Illusion (Mickey Mouse)
and the Asterix game was great too

I enjoyed Alundra 2 more than the first game

>>4040593

you don't need it in Mega Man, with the way the games are designed

try using the special weapons more

>>4034529
high res please

Ignoring the visuals, the Atari 2600 version of Pac-Man has the best gameplay.
The only female Zelda character who deserves her own game is Epona.
The Golden Age of IBM PC gaming was 1980-1985. There were good games made after that point, but not as many.
Awesome Possum was a great game, and most of the criticism against it is either due to politics or people wrongly assuming it's like Bubsy.
Kirby games got worse with each new installment, with the exception of Super Star.
The game library wasn't there, but just in terms of hardware, the Watara/Quickshot Supervision was the best /vr/ handheld.
Sega should have made a sequel to Sonic 3D blast, fixing its problems, instead of making Adventure.

>>4034571
doom was utter shit

>>4040729
>baby tier fishing

>>4040729
That's not an unpopular opinion. That's stupidity.

>>4040312
>>4040457
All he asked for was something from then that looked better than Doom, and it does. Again, nothing bad against Doom. It looks good and it's an awesome game. It's just not the best looking game there was.

>>4034953
I replayed it this year and it's still fun.
I like the combat system, lack of random encounters and how there is never a need to grind
Some games made today don't have those elements.

Smash is the only good fighting game(s) due to amount of movement options, simple attacks and lack of healthbars

>>4034576
It had many good ports of arcade titles. Ghouls'n'Ghosts, California Games...
Sanic 2 is the better 8 bit version

>>4040763
WOOOOOW.
You're telling me that one of the first 3D game looks ugly? NO WAYYYY.

>>4040763
But myst looks objectively worse.

>>4035756
>>4035761
Most SNES-PS1 tier RPG's are fucking bad.

FF4 and 6 are not good. Breath of Fire 3 is barely passable.

Xenogears is like... the absolute worst of the genre. Contrived story, long for the sake of being long, terrible combat system, and simply unfinished.

There isn't a single Atari game really worth playing for more than 10-15 minutes now, and they're not even worth the hassle of booting them. I own 67 cartridges.

>>4041156
>Most SNES-PS1 tier RPG's are fucking bad.

I'd still take them over any post PS2 RPG tbqh

>>4040805
Sarcasm is one of the lowest forms of "humor" and I say that incredibly loosely because it's rarely funny.

It's not witty, it's not funny, it's really just dickish and makes literally everyone in the conversation worse off

>>4041210
>is mad because he's the target

I don't think playing on a CRT makes the games look that different.

>>4040746
I think its safe to say only casual retards think doom is a good game, that's why you queer lords hide in /vr/ because you get laughed out of every other board.

>>4041521
agreed
not enough difference for the casual gamer

>>4040774
>Ghouls'n'Ghosts
my favorite MS game
I like it more than the arcade because of it's character and playability

MMX6 is my favorite game in the series

>>4040805
>WOOOOOW

pls

>>4034619

If you didn't make Refia a qt Thief, you didn't play the game right.

>>4040285
This is actually just solid advice. Also you won't get burned on overhyped titles.

>>>>4040285
Myes

>>4038759
Virtua Fighter
Ridge Racer

>>4043096
even virtua racer on the snes looks better than Doom

>>4034529
Better Call Saul is crap and nothing like Breaking Bad
>off topic but had to say it

>>4046494
Is better than most spin-offs, at least.

>>4034607
Phantasy star it's fantastic

>>4040805
If you read I said I thought Doom looked good, just not the best.

>>4041150
Opinions I guess.

>>4041227
Nah I was the target, I thought it was funny though >>4041210 is a turbo tard.

FFIV is incredibly overrated and is quite possibly the most boring/mediocre game in the classic FF lineup. The DS remake made it better in every way.

>console shooters sucked until dual analog sticks became a thing

>resident evil is/was a shit series that would've been better as a point & click adventure game

>capcom fighting games are overrated and are responsible for why the genre crashed and will crash again

>JRPGs are not real RPGs

I think Sonic 2 is inferior to 3 & Knuckles.

>>4047509
Is that unpopular? I thought that was kind of a 50/50 split... if anything, I thought S3K was more popular until Sega lost the rights to re-distribute it.

>>4047484
>capcom fighting games are overrated and are responsible for why the genre crashed and will crash again


Who do you think makes better fighting games?

You're historically wrong by the way. Death of arcade culture is what caused them to lose popularity for a while. It was Capcom developing good net code that made SFIV a huge hit and reinvigorated the genre.

>>4034550
Some games did but most ran fine, also didn't get as much flickering sprites as the nes, I do prefer the music in nes games tho

>>4047513
How the fuck did they lose the rights to their own game?

>>4040706
I don't understand the pacman thing it was awful, pacman Jr was wayyyyy better

>>4035334
This is a very reasonable opinion, actually. It introduced a few features that became standard later on.

>The Master System was better than the Nes
>The Saturn was better than the Playstation X
>JRPGs are trash and not worth playing
>King of Fighters is better than Street Fighter

>>4040740
I'm happy that the girl is pleased with her catch on her little toy fishing rod..

>>4048874
>>King of Fighters is better than Street Fighter
it was a 'street-fighter-II' type game

Street Fighter II basically started the whole genre by being amazing.

>The Saturn was better than the Playstation X
neither in titles, visuals or playability

it had potential but was under-developed and lacked a lot of the psx 3d abilities

>>4048932
>Street Fighter II basically started the whole genre by being amazing
And KoF did it better.
>neither in titles, visuals or playability
HAHAHAHAHA fucking pleb

Ghostbusters for the NES was a decently entertaining game.

as soon as you get to zuul, it becomes completely unplayable, but at that point you just reset the game and start over.

there is little reason to play it now, but for a while when I was a kid, I played it more than the other NES games I had.

>>4048969
Have you played the Master System version? Not only is the rest of the game better as well, but the Zuul building is an enormous improvement over the NES game. You move around freely without tapping and can shoot at the ghosts in any direction.

>original Wipeout > Wipeout XL
>Quake in software looks better than GL Quake
>Sierra adventure games gamedesign is epitome of bullshit
>PS2 is retro
Fight me!

>>4034529
Dumpin ROM's is bahd...Mmmmkay..

>>4035231
gameplay??

the exploring? the puzzles? the random encounters? the best music on the SNES? the thousands of relic/ character combo's? the only thing that could have made FF3 better was if it was ported to the Neo Geo...

>>4040691
bump

>>4035275

PS1 had a ton of shit games. cant argue there.

but the DC controller was like THE WORST part of the console.

>one joystck ( good for fighting games but thats it)

>shitty underslung wire

>the triggers were ok but the shape of the thing was horrid.

the PS1 controller was maybe a lil flimsy but the dual shock is an icon.

>>4035761
BOF 2 the worst RPG? I mean it's a little on the mediocre side but its very similar to FF3 but just not as good.

>>4049034
>the PS1 controller was maybe a lil flimsy but the dual shock is an icon.
the PS1's dual shock was a later addition. the original PlayStation joypad is just d-pad and 4 buttons with 2 shoulders

I think pokemon red and blue have been rendered completely obsolete by fire red and leaf green. Unless you are specifically playing red and blue for the purpose of exploiting how broken they are, their remakes are objectively superior in every way.

I feel the same way about Gold and Silver as well, but they don't even have any major exploits that would make them worth playing over their remakes for obscure reasons. Gold and Silver could disappear completely from the face of the earth and nothing of value would be lost as long as their remakes could still be played.

>>4040691
>>4049032

>>4049046

>>4049046
>>4049047

>>4049046
>>4049047
>>4049049

>PS1 isn't called PSX (PSX is a PS2 with a DVR in it). No one refers to any other console by its prototype name, so it's time to stop with this PSX nonsense.

>I don't like turn based rpgs anymore. I've come to realize how stale it is scrolling through menus and selecting options, and somehow that passes as gameplay? I guess changing the settings on my phone is gameplay too right.

>I'm starting to not like rpgs anymore, as I've realized what monumental wastes of time they are. They're designed to be obnoxiously long. The only interesting thing about them is the story and characters. Too bad you have to suffer through 10s of hours of repetitive menu selcting gameplay to get to the next bit of story. Attack, heal, attack, heal, attack, heal, win game.

>I liked FF15

>I like sonic 2 more than 3andK

>all 3D sonic games are ass

>don't like undertale

>other than Smash, N64 was crap

>Castlevania X68000 is better than Castlevania NES

>don't like Kingdom Hearts, stupid Disney product pedaling crap, and retarded ass story. The gameplay is the only redeeming thing about it.

>>4049073
>PS1 isn't called PSX (PSX is a PS2 with a DVR in it). No one refers to any other console by its prototype name, so it's time to stop with this PSX nonsense.

Please refer to this.

>>4049076
I'm not saying no one called it the PSX, I'm saying it's wrong. Just because everyone pronounces Hyundai like "hun day" doesn't make it right.

>>4049105

Oh, I misread. My mistake.

I like Heretic more than Doom, even if it's weapons and beastiary are weaker than Doom's.

Super Metriod is one of the most overrated games of all time. It lacks the platforming challenges that a standard platformer at the time had thus the platforming was dull which of course is due to the expectations of the player back tracking through rooms on their first play through. The combat is dull as well. Most enemies are fairly lame thus aren't fun to actually kill, they are fairly limited in what they can do, and due to how aiming is it just wasn't fast nor fun unlike run n' guns like Contra or Metal Slug so aiming at anything that wasn't straight left, right, or up, wasn't natural compared to the standard. With that it just leaves exploration which is just a time investment rather than a challenge or something actually interesting.

It isn't a terrible game, but it boggles my mind in how people can actually think it comes even close to the top ten games ever made.

>>4035072
Tyyyyyyler...

>>4050228
some people like exploration more than action, different games can do different things

>>4034529
>>4049046
>>4049049
Yaya Han is a shit cosplayer. Oh wait, not unpopular opinion. Oh wait, this isn't /cgl/.

>People complain about loading times on CD based consoles, mostly PS1
>Get Famicon and put in the most famous game
>Please wait loading for 20 second
>Title screen, press start game
>Please wait loading for 20 second
>Go to next screen
>Please wait loading for 20 second
Fucking really? Is this the power of the cartridge? Not really that much better then CD

>>4034529

Here's one for you:

Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time was pure, overhyped garbage.

>>4050290
>famicon

>>4040285
I agree

>>4049105
you know that's literally how they market it's pronounciation in the US right? 'rhymes with sunday'

>>4034930
>>4034930
They feel like platinum games, once you beat them once cutscenes are skippable, the grading system keeps the challenge interesting, i dislike the leveling system, but it is a bit of a self imposed challenge to beat the more difficult bosses with no combo saber. They get more enjoyable on ng+

>>4050285

>implying you wouldn't

>Chrono Trigger is a good game but it's very overrated.
>Sega Mega Drive/Genesis is an extremely boring console unless you like gritty platformers and shootan
>cRPG on PC requires way too much time investment
>Theme Hospital was the best Bullfrog game
>Actually liked the N64 controller
>Really dislike the Dreamcast controller
>Emulation doesn't make you a pleb
>Final Fantasy 5 (the actual 5) is boring as hell

>>4052208
>>Chrono Trigger is a good game but it's very overrated.
bad story
too long

>Donkey Kong Country and SMRPG look ugly

>>4034529
Lunar Legend was not very good.

The dungeons were a bunch of directionless, empty spaces with the same three random encounters. The last dungeon being the worst offender of all.

There's secrets that you can miss out on if you don't do them at the exact right time, with zero indication that "you're supposed to ignore the quest and talk to some random resturant keener a dozen times to get a secret dungeon."

The final boss only had one stage.

Nash's betrayal made zero sense.

I just beat it a few hours ago, and I'm disappointed.

>>4040593
>what is metal man

>>4053449
Whining about a game being too long is actually worse than whining about it being too hard.

>>4053504
Not always true. If you are forcing me to backtrack through previous areas just for the sake of dragging the game out then you really are just doing your game a disservice. Retro games are not the biggest offenders of this sin but some do commit it.

>>4053456
You look ugly

>>4034732
What the fuck

>>4053504
redoing crap and revisiting areas that just try to flesh out the game are boring. there should have been more shit to do if they wanted it longer.

long for the sake of long, is mind numbing.

I thought the Street Fighter EX series was great apart from 3.

>>4034529
>Sega deserved to to die in the console market since they are the biggest fuckups around as they dropped support too goddamn early. The 32x was on the market for 15 months, the Saturn got killed after 3 years and finally the dreamcast was on the market a whole 14 months in the US before sega again fucked it over. I'm glad fucking sonic is on Nintendo .
>Sega fucked up any franchise they get their hands on as in the 80's they fucked up the average alex kidd games with bullshit like alex kid in high tech world and alex kidd bmx (both of which sucked but then once sonic came along they fucked it over too with the repetitive bullshit gameplay wise (4 sonics are alike, and the rest are shitty 3d games).
>I prefer the ghosts and goblins series to the rest of the offerings of capcom
>Nintendo made their games as fucking cyptic as possible to drive Nintendo power sales
>The dreamcast controllers suck due to their being only one analog stick on them why not have 2 goddamn sticks when dualshock was out a year by the point of the release in Japan?

i own a neogeo since 93. i fucking HATE metal slug games. Where is your god now?

>>4053504
A game being too long is worse than it being too hard. At least if it's hard there's a challenge to overcoming it. In a game filled with too much padding it's just boring and wasting your time.

>>4055105
this guy

>and once you've seen one Metal Slug, you've seen them all

>>4034732
do you really think that? What are your favourite retro games?

>>4035685
That's not an unpopular opinion. It's a fact. The game was a sequel and designed to be superior in every regard.

It's different from say, FFIX, which was steampunk rather than cyberpunk and was designed to be a throwback to an earlier generation.

>>4040285
>473 KB
I don't know what to say. Having always a shitty computer, i discovered retro-games out of necessity. Yes, in one hand you can play a lot of games for free, there are abundant information and the pass of time helps to filter the good from the bad games.
But, at the same time, you are missing out on one of the best aspects of gaming: the community. Just have a look at /vr/, it is not as exciting discussing a new game such as Boftw as it is discussing the faults of an old one.

>>4034529
My unpopular opinions
- FFII and DQ VI were the best installments.

>>4048284
Reasonable or not, it's not popular. Which is what this thread is about.

>>4055371
>one of the best aspects of gaming: the community.

now there's an unpopular opinion

>FFII is the best NES FF and one of the better RPGs for the system since it isn't another DQ clone
>Zelda 2 is way better than the first Zelda

>>4034529
>had the better titles.
Could you name them? Not trying to stir I actually want to play games the Master System.

>>4040285
That isn't as feasible when seventh generation and up are more and more multiplayer based.

>>4055790
R-type
After Burner
Choplifter
Phantasy Star
Hang on
Alex Kidd
Action fighter (If you like spy hunter)
Rampage (Almost as good as the arcade)

If you have a CRT Get any of the light gun games.

>>4038716
Sounds like you have never played a sonic game. Most of them are slow as shit, especially the first one. Rarely can you ever actually build up speed for any extended period of time

>Dumb modern gamers: the thread
Please, don't play any games made 1995 and afterwards for about two years. Force yourself to play all old games. Even very, very old games, even ones that weren't so good.

Then you'll understand. I promise.

>>4055790
see
>>4040669
>>4034768
>>4034607
>>4040774
Ghouls'n'Ghosts is fucking good

>>4034529
>objectively wrong it took massive hardware for its time to play at full speed/res
>Sonic 1 maybe, was more that it punished the speed it so tempted you with by missing secrets
>multiplats were better as it had better hardware, this isn't even opinion it is a fact
>another fact

Here lets try some opinions.

Donkey Kong Country is boring. It featured few power ups, overly floating physics, and is laregly remembered for its fun mine cart rides and visuals. It was outclassed by tons of other platformers in its time.

Rare games in general are often fueled by nostalgia and aren't as good as most remember, save for a few like Battletoads.

007 was a master piece in how to do level design and scaling difficulty, but like much of the N64 its crippled by controls.

FF7 is not to blame for modern game cinematics. MGS is.

This is my thread. I live for unpopular opinions.

>Doom was technologically a necessary advancement, but in hindsight feels lacking. Quake was heavily superior due to ambient sounds, patrolling enemies, and other minor adjustments that made it feel like a world than a maze with monster closets.
>After playing hundreds of Doom shovelware levels, I find the AI to be quite dull. Most of the enemies are projectile based. The only thing saving Doom is when enemies appeal in large clusters in some sort of ambush. As most levels insist on linear corridors with enemies directly in front of you, you end up with no challenge, even keyboard only on DOS.
>The mindset of not saving in Doom is idiotic/masochistic. Doom custom levels have a lot of one time puzzles that if you fail you permanently get locked out from the exit, or get stuck in a tiny room, or get stuck in some random pit. Pistol starts also don't make the game that much harder, generally, due to the ability to waste resources more. Quake is better to iron man/shotgun start.
>The NES was one of the worst periods for gaming. I would rather play vector games from the 70s, the 8-bit music loops to the point it gets aggravating and the mandatory guesswork (with no saves/checkpoints/restarts) is headache inducing.
>Every single RPG, modern or old school, is garbage. It was designed based off DnD, itself being designed the way it was simply because of the physical limitations of tabletop games. Grinding for half the game, in every single game, is not fun. Going to a dungeon and finding you can't do X until you spend hours doing the same action over and over is not entertaining in the slightest.
>The lack of an end goal means that arcade games just repeated the same things to the point of boredom. They don't feel worth playing for more than five minutes these days.
>Games might potentially be better today. I don't know. I just have severe autism and spend all my time on games I dislike while complaining about them.

I find it silly that we are arguing about graphics when the argument for old school gaming is "graphics don't matter". Who cares how Doom looked in 1993? Who cares if they were garbage or great to other games at the time? All that matters is the gameplay.

You guys are the same assholes that complained in 1998 when Thief came out that it was not as good as Unreal in graphics. You all killed Looking Glass Studios and I hope you are happy with your actions.

>Unreal is objectively a better game than Half-Life.