/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4022391
FFT would probably be a pretty good place to start.

The Hero From Dragon Quest V at 0, 80.

>>4022394
Good idea. When the dataset is complete we can do a fast Fourier transform on it to reveal any underlying pattern.

>>4024141
Fourier is for signal analysis, why would you do a fourier transform on data from video games?

>>4022391
There is a /v/ one being made. Honestly I think a general videogame one is fine.

Though I guess I will leave a suggestion This guy really should be S:0 D:100.

Oersted from Live-A-Live, S:100, D:0

>>4024212
He was ready to kill all worlds, even if this is after he becomes the demon lord he deserved it a bit.

>Gestahl

Suffering: 10
Deserved: 50

>>4024181
This is what theirs currently looks like but they're still in the process of polishing it. There's some retro characters in there, what do you guys think of their positioning? The duckhunt dog makes me kek

>>4024338
I disagree with Lavos, should be swapped with Yuna at the least. Lavos is a parasite doing what its species needs to to survive and thrive and procreate. Even if it's truly a conscious being capable of self-reflection, it's difficult to fault it for trying to live as its evolution intended.

Also, considering how hard Lavos is destroyed across CT, CC, and CTDS, it's suffering is hardly 0.

>>4024353
>Lavos is a parasite doing what its species needs to to survive and thrive and procreate
You need to check your headcanon.

>>4024396
Not him but Lavos is just a giant alien parasite. It wasn't really conscious or had any intention to do evil, it just is being a parasite and doing what it did to live. How exactly do you disagree with him? Lavos is the main source of conflict but really it's Zeal and to a lesser extent Magus who are the antagonists of the game.

I don't really like it in 0 suffering myself. 0 suffering is more of things that got away with no punishment, lavos was at least killed.

>>4024406
>It wasn't really conscious or had any intention to do evil, it just is being a parasite and doing what it did to live.
Wrong, Trigger-only fag.

>>4024425
I've played Cross, where exactly does CC say otherwise for Lavos? Keeping in mind that the Time Devourer was a combination of Lavos and Schala, not just Lavos.

>>4024440
Where does anything say Lavos is unconsious or needs to destroy planets to live?

>>4024471
Dint magus's mom tells you in the future?. Something like 'soon lavos's children will going into space and feed on another planets'

>>4024480
In trigger you actually can find and kill multiple spawn of lavos, they are found on death peak. Obviously if these are a species and this isn't some weird occurrence with them. They're planet eating parasites.

>>4024471
I didn't say Lavos was "unconscious," just that it may not be sentient and capable of intelligent thought. But even if it is, Trigger does try to show that it's Lavos' life cycle, with having it accumulate all of the DNA of the planet's organisms and produce children that will, probably, go off into space to repeat the process. I don't recall the actual line, but if you go to the Black Omen in the future, I think Queen Zeal suggests that Lavos is either dormant or possibly dead, since the "Day of Lavos" had passed and its spawn are now preparing themselves or something. That it has spawn and itself is apparently a non-factor after 1999 does resemble other parasites and organisms in general, where reproduction is the organism's ultimate goal, not maintaining its own existence (except to live long enough to achieve reproduction).

It's not until Cross where Schala enters into the mix that it could really be considered "evil," which is why Lavos itself shouldn't be classified as "deserving" suffering. Not that it is innocent, necessarily, but its battle with humanity and the planet is a matter of nature. Survival of the fittest. It doesn't "deserve" suffering, but that doesn't mean that Crono and the others were wrong to kill it.

Suffering 100
Deserve 60

>>4024338
>Game & Watch
>0/0

Every single game you start ends in a failure. This guy is stuck in a repeating PTSD-induced nightmare where he has to relive a traumatic event, and no matter how hard he tries, in the end will always fail.

He can't save those people. Those lions will escape. The octopus always wins. And juggling is hard I guess.

>>4024338
>Ridley is so "TOO FUCKING BIG", he takes up 4 panels
I laughed.

Yuko from Valis has some significant suffering with not too much deserving

>>4024338
>Mario is as deserving as Bowser is as deserving as Crash as deserving as Curly Why?
Magus's placement seems alright.
Kefka's and Dracula's too, though it depends on your headcanon for both. Was Kefka sane enough to suffer in the same sense as normal human characters? Can Dracula suffer? In SotN he seems more like a force of nature than a person.</autism>
I see Sweet Tooth, but not Calypso. Calypso should take his rightful place her the top right corner.
Lammy a cute. I'd say she's suffered more than that, though.
If nobody has better a idea, I'd copy-paste The Nameless One. Curiously, PS:T is one of the last AAA (AA?) /vr/ games. It was released mid-December, 1999.

The guy from Atlantis no Nazo must be on our chart at maximum suffering and low desert.

A /vr/ chart would be kinda be redundant wouldn't it? It would especially be harder due limiting ourselves to only retro games. /v/ finally finished their chart, by the way.
>>4024574
I don't think Game & Watch actually knows what's going on in his own and outside surroundings. He has no complete understanding of morality and just does stuff without reason. He never suffers nor does he deserve it. He's the perfect 0/0 character.

A /vr/ chart would kinda be redundant wouldn't it? It would especially be harder due to limiting ourselves to only retro games. /v/ finally finished their chart, by the way.
>>4024574
I don't think Game & Watch actually knows what's going on in his own and outside surroundings. He has no complete understanding of morality and just does stuff without reason. He never suffers nor does he deserve it. He's the perfect 0/0 character

>>4024648
>>Mario is as deserving as Bowser is as deserving as Crash as deserving as Curly
yeah it's bollocks. it would take way too much autism and effort to get this entire chart right

>>4024662
How is Tatsuya's suffering only 80? He Literally caused the end of the universe, went to another universe to stop it from happening again, nearly caused it again, and then had to lose his memories of his friends in order to reset it the 2nd time.

>>4024662
>G&W not suffering
I dunno, the thought of suffocating in the clutches of an octopus while the sunken treasure mocks your greed seems pretty terrifying to me. You could have prevented this.

Is it how much they deserved to suffer, or how much they deserve the level of suffering they had?

>>4024819
the first one

>>4024141
>i know some words but don't know what they mean.
>>4024151
>neither do i
lel

>>4024280
He deserved nothing that happened before he snapped and became the demon lord, what happened afterwards wasn't really "him" I think as he kind of repents and begs for death once you defeat Odio. Maybe S:100 D:10

Arthur had to go through hell and then do it again, so I'd call that a high suffering. Trying to fuck at a graveyard is kind of a dumb move, so I say he did have it coming a little bit.

no idea how to quantify that in numbers tho

these little guys

did they deserve it?

>>4024915
They steal your shit so yeah

caleb got his shit all kinds of fucked up, but he definitely deserved it

This is a pointless exercise that manages to stay relevant simply by inciting arguments. It's interesting, in an evolutionary sense.

Where does this guy fit?

>>4022391
I'll PSfag it up and do all this. I'm making a better graph than the one there or the one /v/ used, I don't like the lack of spacing between cells or their size.

Just saying it before somebody else gets started and we get more than one person doing the same thing.

>>4025072
I'd say 75s/30d

>>4024648
AAA doesn't mean anything, dude. It wasn't even a term back then, it's purely made up by shitty game journalists thinking "How can we appeal to kids"?

10 suffering, 80 deserves it.

>>4025040
>The Selfish Thread

>>4022391
2bh the best way to start this is to fill out the outer box of the chart first i.e. the characters with either 100 suffering/deserved and the characters with either 0 suffering/deserved. it will provide you with a better way to scale the other characters i reckon.

let's start with the four corners first. who is at (100,100), (0,100), (0,0), (100,0)? (will we even be able to agree on this?) then we can do the rest of the outer box. then we have a good scale at least.



If /vr/ is a bad enough dude to actually fill this chart out I'd be impressed. /v/ had a lot more manpower. they did it much faster, too. anon just posted a pic and gave the position for it, OP complied, but their chart isn't very good imo.

>>4025124
>AAA doesn't mean anything
I disagree. It has a simple meaning that can be applied retroactively to the time before it was invented: "AAA games" are those whose budget is among the largest in the industry at that point.

>>4025181
This shouldn't be hard. We have well over 400 posters here. I'm sure a few thousand anons could easily contribute 400 characters.

Ok, finally done. This acceptable to start with? I'd like to start with four corner graphics like >>4024338

help me decide

>>4025248
is /v/ right about their corners? they have the planescape torment guy at 100, 100. not my style of game so I wouldn't know.

>>4025248
Looks good but what is with the center shit? Messes up the 50-60 mark on the axis.

this chucklefuck is p high on deserve, not so much on suffering

>>4025248
upper right exploding hitler?

doomguy's bunny is my candidate for 100 suffering zero deserve

>>4025284
I would 0 deserving is good but 100 suffering is too high.
>not knowing his rabbit is named Daisy

>>4024338
>lesbian mengele
>Yuna
This pleases me.
>doomguy doesn't suffer despite being in hell because he loves his work too much.

>>4025354
gimme a break, it's been years since I beat the damn thing

what do you think would be a good example of 100 suffering?

>>4025365
Ignus should be somewhere in the top left, or maybe +1,+10 (s,ds) from doomguy, but below the nameless one in deserving.

>>4025274
Same reason as having more space between boxes, makes it easier to read and compartmentalize. Can't make it perfectly centered because the counter starts at 0

>>4025275
I'm pleased with that suggestion. Bionic commando, not some doom mod right? I put the Bionic Commando hitler at the top right

You guys keep going with the suggestions, I'll update when I feel like it's made more than ~5% progress at a time

flute from the violinist of hameln is a long suffering character who, far as I can tell, is undeserving of her fate

I dunno if it counts 'cause it's based on an existing anime n shit

>>4022391
On mobile but when I get home I can take care of it

>>4025248
See >>4024181

Yuna was so hated capcom received threats from fans for having him suffer no consequences. If that isn't D: 100 S:0 material I don't know what is.
>>4025447
I think its better we stick to characters originating from videogames. The only real person on the /v/ chart is Arino which I think is fair.
>>4025553
Nice.

Coming right along -- I still want more ideas for corner graphics. Meanwhile, I'm following suggestions and just placing them unless they get contested. I'm just here to piece it together from anons, so don't count on me to start filling it in.

And by the way, this is easy to edit if anyone thinks the theme I chose is garbage. I was hoping it'd look pleasant enough

>>4025553
Thought we were rolling for it
I'd say Richter Belmont
Suffering around 40
Deserved like 10
Dracula rose during his life and he had to go out of his own way to stop him, not to mention his future wife and sister in law (and two more girls from his village) taken hostage by Dracula
THEN mind controlled to do the opposite thing his family lineage is supposed to do and nearly destroyed the world because of it

>>4025609
For Yuna use the the picture in >>4024181 or this, his in game portrait. The manga pic makes ot difficult to recognize unless you zoom in. Let's try to use as clear as possible pics for the spots.

For the 0/0 spot maybe kirby?

>>4025636
>0/0 spot
How about pic related?

>>4025640
As funny as I think that is we should try ti stick t actual characters. That's a actually a pretty good choice though. For Kirby I was trying to think of a popular pick most are familiar with, though I guess 0/0 might not fit him.

Here's a Kirby for the chart guy if he decides to use him. I was thinking that to deviate more from the /v/ chart we should stick to retro interpretations of the characters.

>>4025656
Maybe pong could be one of the "extreme" characters at the bottom left corner then.

>>4022397
Replying for visibility

>>4025656
kirby killed thousands

>>4025117
Would we really count anything past MGS 1 since anything after that isn't retro?

>>4025665
They were bad or some shit.

Is anyone actually filling this in?

>>4025673
I would but I only have paint so it would probably look shit. /vr/ should be the easiest for a chartfag since ours will be much slower.

dark wanderer had it pretty rough

dude(tte) saved the day only to be compelled to put jewelry inside his face and become a satan

Donovan's probably one of the most tragic Capcom fighting game characters, both in-universe and out.
>Born a dhampyr
>One day in his youth something makes him snap, his inner demon awakens, and he kills his family and friends, which of course leads to hm being driven from his village and becoming a loner
>Even after he takes up a goal of ridding the world of monsters he's not accepted by other people aside from when he can kill off monsters for them
>Moveset is really cool and unique, but was incredibly hard to balance, leading to him being so overpowered in the location tests that he was nerfed to hell in the finished game, leading to his popularity taking a nosedive
>His ending has the contact with all the tainted blood of the monsters he's slain pushing him over the edge, turning him fully into a vampire. He's shown having secluded himself in a castle somewhere, whose floors are littered with victims whose blood he has drained
>Sequel comes along, memory limits are strict. One idea that is floated is to bring Donovan back in his fully vampiric form as a headswap of Demitri. They actually get this working before they go "Meh, this is cheap and boring, forget it." He becomes absent from the sequel altogether.
>A couple months later, he manages to come back... as an "update" that was an awful rehash even by Capcom fighting game standards. It was so bad that even the series' most fervent fans hated it, and stuck with the initial version of the game, the one that's lacking Donovan.
>Some years later. Capcom releases a Darkstalkers collection for the PS2. They throw in the aforementioned Demitri headswap vampire Donovan as a bonus, because he was still lying around practically finished. Fans' reaction is "Meh, this is cheap and boring."

>>4025671
Yes.

>>4025192
Except nobody has ever put an actual number to that, thus it's a moot point and should be ignored.

>>4025798
Shenmue was released in 1999. If it's all about relative budgets, there were no other AAA games in 1999.

Luigi on an egg
0S 0D

>>4026057

>>4026057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4bgBQ0OUkM

>>4026057

>>4026102
This is really deep.

This could be interesting.
I suggest Ark from Terranigma for 90S 10D. He had a hard life.

I'm still adding to it, by the way, fellas.

>>4026057
>>4026104
I'm wary of this being a meme, and I personally like the >>4025656 suggestion more. Since it's a corner slot I'm happy to contest briefly. I just need somebody to offer an argument to move kirby out of 0/0, since Egg Luigi IS pretty zen.

Reminder that there are three open spots for the corner graphics (the graphics, not the character slots).

I suggest Jogurt from Shining Force in the upper left corner and the Yeti from Skifree in the lower right corner.

>>4027004

Kirby destroys planets for cake

He is not D0

Mint
40s 40d

She got everything that was coming to her.

Rue on the other hand like 70s 10d

Li Long for 60 suffering 30 deserve

>>4025248
do we really need that extra axis through the middle of the graph? it's so unnecessary and is annoyingly asymmetric. I love your colour scheme otherwise but please get rid of that senpai.

>>4027830
god what a slut

>>4025609
Put this motherfucker on the bottom right

>>4027919
?

>>4022391
D: 80
S: 0

For being an annoying fucking asshole of course

>>4025181
Doomguy is obviously (0 , 100). Had to fight Hell itself and seen the most horrifying sights ever seen by a man. Only because he was a Marine in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Link from OoT, MM suffered lots, deserved none of it. Is a friendless awkward outcast without a fairy as an orphan in a tribe of a seperate race, is thrust into adventure, gets sword, sleeps 7 yrs, is a kid in an adult body in a nightmare world fighting evil. Saves day, Zelda doesn't put out bc he's still technically a kid, is sent back to the past and doesn't receive recognition for his adventure, AND loses his fairy. That's OoT. Then the events of MM happens. He is turned into a deku and fucked over by Majora, thrust into a twisted mirror world of Hyrule that is doomed for destruction, relives a 3 day timer to doomsday over and over. Everyone is suffering, he watches multiple people die in front of him and gets their mask, anytjing he does is forgotten when he resets. Saves world, still doesn't have fairy, once again no one realizes he saved the day, and once again he is alone with the knowledge of what suffering and horrors he saw. In Twilight Princess, his tortured soul is restless and can only be put to rest when he can teach TP Link sword moves, because finally, finally, he could share SOMETHING with ANYONE in the whole world. The loneliest tortured life.

>>4028168
Lol no way. You don't get doomguys character at all. He's pretty much the ultimate badass and way too strong for 100 suffering, practically super human and untouchable. Plus he actually enjoyed beating demons to a pulp. Id have doomguy at 40 suffering tops.

I wouldn't have him at 0 deserved either. Sure he's destroying demons, but he's still inflicting pain and enjoying it. Demons or not he deserves some scale for that, even if it's a small amount. That nigga ain't no mother Teresa.

Personally I'd have doomguy at 15 deserved, 35 experienced.

>>4027819
Fair enough

>>4027020
You get one in top left. got a preference?

>>4022397
Is that 80 suffering experienced, or deserved? Never played DQ
For that matter, it'd be helpful to clarify with "S:0 D:0" or something in the future. Different people use different formats with coords, I'm out of touch with high school math class, but I think they did it backwards (y, then x axis?) which is confusing
At the least, I'm just confused

>>4027914
If I'm going to sacrifice ergonomics for the sake of symmetry, it's not going to be until I'm done making use of the ergonomics
Might move it to the outer border though

>>4029414
Not him but DQV hero would S: 80 / D: 0.

Personal suggestion here, ignore the more meme like answers. The luigi on the egg and the owl from OoT are too joke like to use, or at least not put in such extreme locations. Look at the owl compared to Yuna. Because of Yuna entire continents suffer. The owl is sinply annoying. The fact that those two are seperated by only twenty points make it look unproffesional. Put the owl at maybe 10/15 for deserving. Try to reserve the really high spots for actually evil characters.

>>4029438

Extreme locations should be memes or otherwise have no memes

Kaepora is a bad idea, Luigi Egg is a good one

>>4029438
you're boring

I still say Daisy belongs there

Steve went through a lot both mentally and physically and arguably never got a good ending to his story, that kicks him up to an s60 at least I think. d40 for always being a kidder

Somewhere on the bottom right corner.

>>4029478
D:100 if you want to count the fact that his irl actor had CP.

>>4029701
While thats true, we'll just stick to the character

>>4028569
He suffered wading through rivers of blood in constant pain while fighting off immense hordes of demons. You're right in that he grew to love it but only after Final Doom (or was it Doom64?) when he purposely stayed in Hell to prevent more invasions. The first Doom implied he was only looking for an escape and Doom 2 was just looking to help stop the invasion. So yea I think he suffered quite a bit. As for if he deserved it, I don't think he did. Just got caught up in the moment Hell decided to start their invasion. Maybe not a 0 but pretty close.

>>4029414
This chart looks dope, man. I'd want to see it finished already with those looks alone.

>>4024710
He's the diver and the octopus though.

Toejam should be medium suffering, low deserve it. Earl should be medium suffering (slightly less than Toejam) and medium deserved it.

>>4030172

Give a number man, don't make chartanon do your work

Segata Sanshiro at 60 suffering, 0 deserved it

He gave his life so Sega could gave a few more years ;_;7

>>4029701
no I did

>>4030158
I never thought about it this way.
So his suffering, in a way, is 100% self-inflicted?
This is really messed up.

>>4024338
It's wrong because Buzzo actually suffers more and hates himself more than Brad does but deserves it less because he didn't do what Brad did. That's why his chi is so strong, those fireballs are powered by sheer self loathing.

>>4024181

Conversely

>S: 100
>D: 0

poor Cray

>s100
>d100

>>4030473
Have to disagree. D: 30 I would say. Cray does some pretty selfish shit like invading the empire without considering the consequences or really having a plan, kind of abandoning his people in a time of need he brought, and considering abandoning Ryu. By the end though he realizes his duty despite losing meaning, he sticks with you not because he needs you but because he knows he has to. He is a good character since he's not truly innocent but suffers WAY more then he deserved to and comes out a better person.

>>4024906

>>4022391
bump

>>4024648
>Was Kefka sane enough to suffer in the same sense as normal human characters?

You know, it always bothered me that he had no dialogue or any real reaction to being killed. This is true for a lot of FF final bosses but you think Kefka would have SOMETHING to say about the party finally doing him in, considering all his other lines in the game.

>>4029414
>>4031118
Sorry, I meant D0, S80 for the DQV hero.

>>4031104

That's probably fair. I tend to be easy on the gy I guess. He was just desperate but he had a good heart. Everyone else was all to quick to outright abandon the princess

Baby Mario at S: 10 D: 60

>>4031203
Ha any order is fine as long as the S and D are indicated

>>4031118
This isn't me, "chartguy." You did an alright job adding it, but it's not pixel-perfect like every other slot, and I don't know who that character is. So I can't add it to my notepad list to append to the chart later on, if need be.
Just do it like everyone else has, lol.

I'll do another update soonish

>Hot Blonde, drives Ferarri

S: 0

>Drives recklessly, thinks just because he has a fast car he diesn't need to obey traffic laws

D: 70

>>4029478
how the fuck is steve a s60

Is having characters that are in the /v/ chart okay?
D: 85
S: 20

>>4033634

Just act like the /v/ chart doesn't exist

Ted from Suikoden:
S:100, because being forced to wander the earth for three hundred years, isolated and paranoid because you are carrying a curse that grants you agelessness, but kills and eats the soul of anyone you grow to care about, is a shitty fate. And that's before the game starts.
And D:05 because he's so gullible it's a miracle he wasn't captured sooner. Yeah, I bet that Sorceress Windy at the palace is in no way related to the Sorceress Windy that destroyed your hometown and has been chasing you ever since. Better let the corrupt official take you to see her, alone, no questions asked.

>>4031605
It is Oersted from Live a Live as suggested here >>4024906

>>4031601
Yoshi deserves a spot in the lower left quarter of the chart, just for putting up with that tiny scream machine.

Where would Adrienne Delaney from Phantasmagoria fit in?
Arguments for suffering:
>Lost husband's sanity to demon
>got raped by possessed husband
>got yelled at a lot
>Friends died
>nearly got killed by husband
>witnessed death of husband
>Nearly got killed by demon
>Had to kill demon herself by cutting herself
>According to canon, went on to write a book about coping with loss, according to Phantasmagoria 2

Arguments for deserving it:
>released demon that fucked up her husband, none of the bad things in the game would have happened if she didn't look at what was behind the fireplace
>Didn't get the damn drain cleaner fast enough
>technically killed her husband

D: 10
S: 90

Nei deserved better. Just wanted to live a quite life with Rolf but no the only way to save her friends and defeat first was for her to die. Not in a heroic sacrifice, just flat out Nei First dies so does she.

No revival magic. Can't even be cloned

>>4035663
This is kinda my problem with this too. Other than the absolutes how do you quantify these? I'd love to hear people who have more of a handle on this(or like to think they do) argue some of the more arbitrarily thrown about numbers more. Like how the hell is Steve a 60?

What's half of being blown up?

>>4035672
D:10 S:90 in particular is already taken >>4031118, but all the adjacent slots are avaliable. I haven't played Phantasy Star, so I don't know where she would fit better.

>>4032948
I'm sure his girlfriend is more deserving of suffering, she's kinda a cunt

D: 65
S: 50

Fuck him and fuck his dead egg-shaped parents. Deserved everything he got, and then some more.

>>4035663
with tits like those she deserves 0 desu

>>4024338
Little mac deserved it he entered a boxing match way out his weight class

>>4024662
Where would soma cruz fit?

M. Bison
D:100
S:40

Just like in the /v/ one. But more retro art.

>>4035675
Well, there is no magic formula. These things get easier to fill when there's already a bunch of characters in, because new additions are placed relative to them.
It is useful to explain why you think a character deserves that spot when you suggest them, since not everyone has played every game.

>>4024662
>Magus deserves his suffering
what?

>>4039635
He did bad stuff dude. He killed Cyrus and created a war that led to the death for a ton of innocent people and monsters in the medieval time period. He didn't deserve his suffering but the means by which he tries to complete his goal is pretty wrong.

>>4039645
He ends up reformed enough to join your party though, and without their leader the war effectively is ended with Ozzie being an ineffective leader, I thought he should've been placed at around 40, but now I think he should be brought down to 60/70 suffering deserved after hearing your argument

>>4039659
While him reforming makes him deserve it less it doesn't change that he did some terrible stuff. For the list it's about what they actually did, not who they are as characters.

>>4039659
>He ends up reformed

I never really got the impression he did though. He just joins you because you want to kill the same guy. Frankly I always felt that him living made no damn sense

>>4024662
I think Akechi is misplaced, it's pretty clear how fucked in the head and miserable he is all the time by the end of the game. And he's a dick but I wouldn't put him at 100 deserve since his betrayal as at least explained partially by extreme daddy issues, and he doesn't even succeed in anything ultimately.

Also, what has Caleb really done so wrong? Everything he's killed has been more evil than him unless you choose to kill civilians.

>>4039928
well actually looking at it again Akechi's suffering is accurate but still

S: 100
D: What do you guys think? I disagree with his actions but I kinda get it. 50, maybe?

>>4040015

He desered every bit of suffering he got.

>Hey guys Im gonna start a war and try to wipe out your planet
>Oh but it's okay because It was to save my own, not that I ever tried to telling anyone that or coming up with a less evil solution.

Fuck Dhaos

>>4040015
I'd say D:70 at the very least. He terrorized an entire planet for its resources.
I love chartanon's idea of using in-game models and sprites, so there's his.

The real Curtis Craig from Phantasmagoria 2

Arguments for suffering:
>Was an innocent child playing at his dad's work place when he was 6, and was forced into dimension X against his will
>Stuck in dimension X for the rest of his life
>Was replaced by something that was made out of weird rat parts, a piece of his brain tissue and other shit, and that thing had to live his life as him, while the real him was suffering in Dimension X
>Dies anti-climatically
Arguments for deserving
>Brutally kills many people
>Makes an already mentally ill man feel pretty uneasy
>Frames it all on him
>Melted a psychiatrist
>Works in favor of a corporate conspiracy

>>4040158
The fake Curtis Craig

Arguments for suffering:
>Suffered many psychotic episodes
>Abused by his mother
>Dressed up by his mother
>Saw his mother kill herself
>Has to live in a tiny apartment
>His access level is restricted to level one and they're not going to crank it up so he has to do it himself
>Played like a fiddle by a mysterious murderer and company conspiracy
>Detective is a dick to him
>Psychiatrist doesn't exactly trust him
>Company conspiracy killed his father and all his friends
>Therese does S&M with him
>Unaware that he was stealing some one's life and that he's not the real Curtis Craig
Arguments for deserving:
>Wanted to kill bob, and felt nothing when he got brutally murdered
>Stole the real Curtis Craig's life
>Cheated on Jocelyn
>Had all the time in the world to show everyone the files and documents about the Threshold project and how the company killed his father, but never showed them to anyone but his psychiatrist, most of the plot could have been resolved earlier with less deaths if he just gave the 2 important documents from the tool box to the detective
>Breaks into offices he shouldn't be in
>Kills the real Curtis Craig