/vr/ - Retro Games

>ice levels

I'd gladly see you removed from this board.

>>4007864

I fucking hate slipping.

>>4007838
no ye no

What kind of levels do you like?

Easy mode

>>4007901

Shadow Temple (it had a small amount of jumping in midair, but you at least got hover boots to make up for it)

Escort missions.

>ice levels

YOU CAN FUCK OFF NOW

Snow, Ice & Water Levels are the best in all vidya. Prove me wrong. Ancient Egyptian Pyramids Levels are also pretty fun.

>>4007864
>>4007976
>>4007982
this is now a snow level thread

>>4007976

Holy shit, it's Metamorphic Team.

>>4007986
Force m80

FORCE

Did Super Mario World get underwater physics just right?

>intuitive to maneuver
>water pressure is a factor but it doesn't drag you down like a black hole like in SMB1
>the bounce after you hit a quiestion block doesn't make you dive hard down like in SMB3
>you can swim faster if you grab a koopa shell or any other object
>not to mention, being able to grab stuff underwater and use as projectiles

They were really fun water levels.
SMW also has only a few ice levels, but those were also pretty fun, especially the Special World ice level, "Awesome".

>>4007982

They're exactly like non-ice levels except with the added fun feature of slipping so you fall down and insta-die 800% as often. There's literally nothing good about them.

>>4007838

>nintendo fanboys do game design
>all variety is removed
>all challenge is removed

>>4007994
>Bad workman blames tools. Film at 11

>>4008003
Why are you implying OP is a Nintendo fanboy?

>>4008003

>challenge

If a game is hard it's because it was poorly designed.

>>4007994
slip sliding is fun. git good

>>4007838
I love ice levels, there aren't enough of them. I can do without windy levels or swamp/bog levels that make you trudge through sludge slowly. A patch of quicksand or something is okay, but swamps are just entirely swamp

>>4008006

>slippery ground is a tool

Wow, guess we better stop salting roads in the winter.

>>4008053
>comparing games to real life
EVERY
TIME

>>4008059

Games are literally based on real life. Where do you think the concept of ice originated, someone's imagination?

>>4008068
>games are literally based on real life

Do you even know what real life is anon?

>>4007838
>ice levels
Fuck no. When done right they can be fantastic.

>>4007985
I'm cool with that

Snow levels are ace

>>4008142
Snow/Water lvls are the most comfy when done right. They can also be the most annoying shit if done wrong. Kirby water lvls are pretty annoying.

this is what I do to people who dislike snow levels.

>>4008163
snow sucks, walking slow and fags thinking it is "comfortable". ice is better, it's harsh and you need to be good at the games physics

>>4007991
My absolute nigga
Also
>Holding up or down while swimming to do sick quick slick moves

Variety is bad.

Don't get lost in the BLIZZARD!

>>4007982
This. A true marker of good game design is how good these levels are. In addition to changing the controls a player is used to, snow and ice levels are atmospheric as fuark

Why do snow levels have the comfiest music?

Pic very related

>>4011058
Because it probably brings you back to when you were a kid. I'm sure old Christmas tunes give you that same feeling

Vertical levels with long drops. Sure do love mistiming a jump and having to climb all the way back up.

>>4011080
vertical levels where the screen scrolls up gradually killing you are even worse. forced scrolling stages in general are the fucking worst.

>>4011080
>>4011345
Vertical levels are interesting, but dropping down to the start just ain't no fun.

>>4008163
a giant big ass penguin should drop on mario when you do that

To be honest, use of instant-death obstacles (usually pits and spikes) feels kinda excessive in a lot of games.

Don't get me wrong - they can make for a nice challenge, but often they feel out of place. Adding them in later levels to gradually increase difficulty? Cool. Adding them from the very beginning in a 1-hit-death hardcore platformer? Sure, go ahead.

Adding them in the first level of a game that gives you a life bar and has knockback on taking damage? Well, tough luck, dipshit.

>Sewer levels.
>Platforming levels in games that don't focus on platforming.
>Large open levels in 2d side-scrollers that are easy to get lost in. IE. Genesis x-men games

Also I hate a level that its entire gimmick is hopping on incredibly small platforms over instant death pits.

>>4007838
I love water levels!

>>4008020
>if a game is hard it's becuase it was poorly designed
all hard games are bad? are you retarded

FUCKING CHASE LEVELS

GEE I SURE LOVE HAVING TO MEMORIZE EVERY LITTLE FACET ABOUT THIS PIECE OF SHIT LEVEL JUST SO I DON'T GET STUCK DUE TO SOME OFFSCREEN BULLSHIT AND IMMEDIATELY LOSE. GEE THIS TIME LIMIT SURE MADE EVERYTHING SO MUCH MORE FUN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4007838
Platforming in non-platformer oriented games.

>2d shooter/metroidvanias
>run through a corridor
>fight enemies like a champ, perfectly use skills/attacking/dodging even when surrounded
>suddenly next screen is spikes and swinging balls with chains out of the ass
>get nicked one time and die
>repeat
pants on head retarded

same in 3 collections
>i'm having fun catching things and collecting objectives!
>oh look a platform
>jump and fall because the controls are ass and perspective is shit
wow who could've thought that would make game not fun immediately, fucking everyone except for every game developed ever apparently


if you want to make a platformer game, make a platformer game about challenging jumps
don't shove it into other games and ruin them forever

>>4013823
in 3d collectathons* sorry

>>4007838
Textured polygons.

Found this video on my recommended feed, just published today, actually not bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11PA8QlyRNI

>>4014106
really interesting

>>4007969
/thread

>>4011025
>i see what you did there

>>4013753
> So Dark Souls must be one of the most poorly designed games of all time

>>4014340
Dark Souls ain't even hard once you have foreknowledge

>>4014106
this dudes voice is very gay

>>4007969
While I agree I do enjoy escort missions in flight games like tie fighter

>>4007985
Personal fav

>>4014343
Isn't that true for most hard games?
Unless it has RNG bullshit in it. You know, artificial difficulty.

>one hit deaths
Shit nigga you know I'm just gonna a savestate interval that shit
>passwords
Again, savestates
>1st time traps
Random traps are fine, I just hate having to avoid "that one chest"

>>4012187
>Also I hate a level that its entire gimmick is hopping on incredibly small platforms over instant death pits.
But those are the most rewarding to beat!

>>4007838
Foreground or objects blocking the view, bad camera controls.

immediate respawning enemies

>>4007838
>midair platform jumping levels
Please, remove yourself.

>>4007838
Mario

When there's no invincibility period after taking a hit.

Ohhh you got hit by an enemy, got stunned and thrown into other enemy and other and other and other and other and you died from being stunlocked to death 100 to 0 with no ability to do anything about it?
Too baad.

I mean come on, NES figured it out.
How come people in 2017 still don't get it.

> disappearing platforms
> blatant CPU cheating
> special moves that only CPU characters can do fucking 360 on the joystick without jumping how?
> lolis

>>4008149
I like when there's a lot of snow stuff like deep snow you can sink or dig into or big snowballs you can roll instead of just slippery ice on an otherwise standard level.

>>4007838
> i hate changes in a game's physics model

Desert levels that aren't themed after the Wild West.

Winter Wonderland levels. Ice caves can stay though.

Horses, in fantasy settings. If you use fictional races, those races should ride fictional creatures and nothing else.

Obviously placed Invincibility items before a hoard of enemies that lasts just long enough to get through them. I'm looking at you Kirby, invincibility is a reward, and not an excuse to make an on rails section.

1 hit kill gameplay. This is an artifact of the quarter eating arcade days that should not have been carried over into home consoles where you haven't the option to load more quarters.

"Guide characters"

Tutorials.

"Look up. Look down."
"Press A."

>>4007838
Is this a stealth "fake difficulty" thread?

Overly

Long

Auto-

Scrolling

Levels

>>4011761

Thats one of the great things about the first smb that gets overlooked.

The first 3 levels had near perfect difficulty scaling to prepare you for the rest of the game.

Whenever im going through rom sets of platformers, the first level can really give a good idea as to how poorly or greatly a game was designed by that thoughtfulness.

>>4014106
this has to be some of the worst musical analysis I've ever seen

>>4007838
>>water levels

I still don't get why people meme about this. I can understand in Sonic games, because they slow the pacing to a crawl. But most other games, they never really bothered me. Hell, if you look at Water temple in Ocarina of Time, its issue is more the tedium of having to toggle the boots, rather than the water itself.

>>4017083
What retro games did tutorials like that?

>>4018335
MGS

>>4013823
Retarded opinions, there's nothing wrong with variation, you just need to git gud.

>>4007838
your hands

>>4018576
Soul Reaver
Tomb Raider 4

>>4007838
Copy protection/DRM.

>>4007875
In Mario games you are slipping all the time. I can't adapt for it for some reason despite for my love of racing games, you'd think I can master inertia.
I do ok in Sonic games for some reason.

>>4013823
>non-platformer oriented games
>uses platformers as examples

>>401439
>Still calling it Final Fantasy 2 and 3 even though it's been corrected.

Things like you need to be put down.

I'm so happy the samefag posting icelevels like a piece of shit cause he got triggered by OP stopped posting, today was a good day.

Water levels are either hit or miss

>>4007838
No imagination ever. Ban imagination. Ban fun. Ban thinking.