/vr/ - Retro Games

>>4003974
Best one

OP here
>challenging
>gold armor is fun and the head chip eliminates farming to refill sub tanks
>music is decent but instrumentation could be better. Blizzard Buffalo hurts to listen to.
>weak enemy variety, seems like devs ran out of time
>needing a specific ride armor to use the others is just shitty programming

>>4003974
Terrible. Horrible bosses, horrible upgrades outside of the Z Saber, bland level design, Zero isn't even around enough for his playability to matter, the soundtrack uses horrible instruments even though the compositions are great. It's a huge step down from X1 and X2 in every way.

>>4003974
Much better than X2, but the level design has a very distinct feel. That's not necessarily bad, but it's quite obvious that the game was outsourced.

The Playable Zero hack makes this game far better.

>>4003974
It has much better Mavericks than X2 for sure, though if I am going back to X it is most likely going to be 1,4 or 5 due to those being the 3 I had when I was younger. I like the OSTs of both the SNES and Saturn/PSX versions, have a slight preference towards the CD quality soundtrack to the ire of some.

It was outsourced and it shows.

Still a pretty good game, just not better than X2 or X1.

>>4003974
First X game I played and a letdown compared to the other snes games.
I remember myself cheesing the lobster boss by spamming wall jumps, I don't recall doing anywhere in X and X2.
I didn't even know it was outsourced before this thread, and frankly it shows.

>>4003974

Rented it from Blockbuster when I was a kid. For the time, playing as Zero was absolutely amazing. Playing someone other than the main character was a big deal.

Toxic Seahorse

was minakuchi only good with the gameboy or what

PSX music > SNES music

X > X2 >>> X3

X and X2 are about on par, but I've always preferred X.

I've never really like X3 as much as the other two. It has a very different feel, it's not even something I can specifically put my finger on, it just doesn't feel the same as the other two. It's a strange combination of art design, and level design that's just... off.

Toxic Seahorse's stage is my favorite song in the series.

>the buster upgrade makes your fully charged shot complete garbage

That's what I think about X3.

>>4004394
I prefer X2, but I agree they're about the same.

X3 does feel really different. It's hard to articulate why exactly. It just feels a bit off. It's still a great game.

Everything is just a bit odd. Things like teh music, just feels a bit flat... I guess. The mavericks and weapons feel a bit lackluster. You take just a bit too much damage.

I've heard it described as a romhack of X2 and I think that's a really apt description.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd5rWj_HeDs

>>4004472
>Genesis fags actually think this sounds better.

>>4004394
>>4004470
X3 wasn't made by Capcom, it was made by Minakuchi. That's probably why it feels "off" to you, because it is.

I still remember the part in HideOfBeast's playthrough where he just gets sick of Neon Tiger's theme and replaces it.

SNES sountrack is fucking awful
PS1 soundtrack is alright but it feels a bit too cheery with some songs

>>4004465
huge letdown after X2's simple and practical one that kicked the shit out of bosses

>>4004475
I genuinely do, not even jesting. I dislike SNES guitars very much.

>>4004532
X1 did have much better guitars than 3, don't know what they were thinking with the latter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCPyi3zI-VA

>>4003974
The weakest of the SNES trilogy, with uninspired bosses and level design (anyone who thinks X2 is worse, play them again back-to-back and you'll see you're mistaken) and the cocktease of playing as Zero for less than half of each level.

Hell I would even argue X4 is better, outside of the cheesy anime cutscenes it did very little wrong and even improved somewhat on the formula (especially regarding Zero) something X3 failed to do.

>>4003974
>All these Mega Man threads on /vr/
>I grew up with SNES but never touched a single Mega Man game ever
What the hell did I miss?!

Cons:
>I don't mind the instruments too much but some tracks are way too repetitive. The boss theme is like a 10 second loop, and pretty boring too.
>In 6/8 stages you have to go through the awkward useless empty rooms where Bit and Byte would appear.
>Low enemy variety. I think there's one or two stage specific enemies aside from minibosses.
>Upgraded buster looks cool but the shots are so fucking slow.
>Some enemies take like half of your hp in one hit in the beggining.
>Bossfights aren't the most interesting and some of them are pretty bugged.

Pros:
>Upwards dash is fucking great.
>Really fun to move around with neons, updash and double dash from the golden armor. Movement is great in this game. I think the stages here are more open and vertical too so that helps. Might be wrong though.
>Some tracks rock.
>X3's Sigmas are probably the most fun to fight.
>Lots of items to get. Rewards exploration a lot.
>Cool ride armors (though the way to unlock them and the stations are kinda cryptic at first)

Overall I think it's a fine game. The movement and exploration are its strongest points imo. It's definitely the odd one out of the SNES bunch, though.

>>4004574
Everything

>>4004475
snesfags can't into higher-order harmonics

Out of all 3 X games on SNES, it has the best enemy design. It's challenging just like it should be.

It also has kick ass musics and graphics and great boss fights.

It could have been the best X games but they fucked up with the rest:
>cryptic senseless BS for upgrades and other stuff like Vile
>if you want upgrades and everything, level progression and order is VERY linear because you need the weaknesses for the optional bosses
>playable Zero that's nothing more than a frustrating tease
>charge upgrade which actually make things worse most of the time

Thankfully there is a romhack which fixes all of that :

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/888/

>fully playable Zero
>even if you don't play as Zero, it makes the game better as X by fixing the cryptic shit
>fixes the charge shot upgrade, the shots no longer have that awful delay
>you can ride battle armors as soon as you have the tanks for it, also making for less linear level progression
>Zero can charge subweapons even without the upgrade, making for less linear level progression

There are people on this board who genuinely think that this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giYdtalIk4Q

Sounds better than this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6uQgsBQbf0

>MFW

>>4004025
I would agree with you on the soundtrack eith the exception of the intro stage. The PS version has a goofy swing to it that makes it feel oit of place

>>4003974
I am sad I threw my box away as a dumb kid. I still have my cart + manual tho... I felt MMX3 would have been better if ZERO was more playable like in X4. Solid game with Guns&Roses soundtrack and really good armor design. X3 is one of my favs but X2 is also great since you fight Zero in that. Kinuyo Yamashita did a great job on the soundtrack and I think its underrated. I also still have my MMX3 toy figure I bought at a local mall. AVOID the ps1 version it is garbage. The SATURN version of X3 has better FMVs with better framerate. Get the snes or Saturn version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3PJyiKxQhY

>>4004720
>>4003974

>>4004112
best music best boss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihrty5vF30g

>>4004190
Saturn > PsX

>>4004696
Snes had the best music. The arranged music sounds funky.

First MMX game was fun. The series degenerated into melodramatic garbage.

>>4004747

1st is a must-play before you die game.

Rest are just if you want more. Stop being a hater.

>>4004696
Let me show you the true best version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-KfSEz1xSo

>>4004696
Crush crawfish is where it's at man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbrSG6Hyf0Y

A step forward in challenge and enemy design and a step backwards everywhere else.

Somebody pointed out that the bosses have very few animation frames, now I can't unsee it.

disappointed nobody has posted the best song in the game yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdwwVewxH4o

Volt Catfish was the best music obviously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_cVHPm2k4&app=desktop

>>4005239
RUSED AGAIN

>>4005259
The ruse itself or the woodman ruse within the ruse?

>>4005239
The part in that stage with the lights flickering in the background is fucking cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0BSbMC662Q

I'm replaying this on 3ds for the first time since I was a kid, and I'm very underwhelmed.
Good graphics, very smooth controls, music is alright i guess.
But the level design, enemies, and bosses...all really annoying, for lack of a better word. It's like the game just wants you to ragequit instead of have fun. The weapon upgrades kind of suck too.

>>4005427
The enemy design is great. You can't just blast through everything spamming the attack button. Every enemy is a little challenge and you constantly have to learn the enemies, while assessing the situation. Rocking X3 takes more skill than rocking X1 and 2.

It's honestly the best thing about X3.
Only in the doppler stages it gets bullshit in some places, like wall jumping upward and an enemy you couldn't see coming hits you and sends you back down, right where another enemy respawns.... But even then it's still bareable, manageable.

X2 > X4 > X1 > X3 > X5 > X8 > X6 >>>> X7

>>4005545
X2 > X1 > X3 > X5 > X8 >X6 > X4

X7 shouldn't even be considered.

>>4005565
Explain why X4 is lower than the other Sony entries.

Best music.
Best gameplay.
Overall best 16-bit X game.
SNES > Saturn
Yeah, yeah, unpopular opinion.

>>4003974
Best music
Best boss included (gravity beetle)
Best use of palette (on the SNES)

>>4003974
I'm actually playing it for the first time now. Already beat X1 and X2 with all the upgrades and shit, had a hell of a time. X3 is alright too, still fun but am I missing something or did they hide the upgrades really well this time around? I've already beaten all the robot masters and still haven't found a single upgrade, only found 1 ride armor and a couple special upgrades that require the base upgrades to use. It's pretty odd because in the other ones the upgrades were really easy to find, the harder stuff was the extra health and energy containers.

>>4005532
Yeah I meant specifically the doppler stages are just straight cheese, keep getting dumped into pits because of suddenly-spawning enemies.
And why does every mega man game have to do a boss rehash? It got old after MM3 desu

>>4005678
X2 boss rush is fun if you get the shoryuken.

>>4005545
>>4005565
X1 = X4 > X2 > X3 >X5 >X6 > X7

>>4005616
the upgrades are very well hidden. I will give you a hint. The leg upgrade is in blizzard buffalo stage.

>>4005691
Thanks, got it, I actually had seen there was something up there but figured it was unreachable without the leg upgrade (was sort of expecting the leg upgrade to give you a second dash).

>>4004832
>The rest of the series was a mistake.

I agree.

>>4005691
This order pleases me. Though I have played some of X8 and would probably put it either after 6 or after 5, not played it in years so i can't safely say.

WUT U CAN PLAY AS ZERO?!

THIS IS AMAZING LET'S SLICE AND DICE Z SAB....... and he's dead

>>4006068
This is why you play this

http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/888/

also fixes and improves other stuff

>>4003974
Visually uninspired, a good chunk of the OST is forgettable, the buster upgrade sucks. It's rather solid but the misses are noticeable and the game shows a clear drop of quality from the previous entries. Certainly better than what came after though.

2>1>3>I haven't played the others

>>4006919

>X4
>worse than X3

plebs

>>4007723
>X4
Overrated exercise of mediocrity that somehow got a free pass for all the stupid shit it did because of mindless zero cocksucking and blind nostalgia.

>>4003974
On the surface it seemed no different from X1 or X2, but for some reason it was more of a pain in the ass to play rather than fun. Something about having too many enemies that made you stop for a few seconds before you were able to shoot them dead.

>>4007962
>all the stupid shit
List 3, if you can.

>>4008098
1 - massive control downgrade
2 - lazy level design if not downright gimmicky
3 - bullshit hide and seek bosses for maximum time wasting

>>4005570
Maybe I'm alone to think that but imo X4 is the only X game with New graphics worth to play and I also consider it mostly as a bad Megaman. It's probably the last X game I would tell to people to play if they never played them.
X5 felt like rehash for me, I admit I've let down the serie after what I've saw with X5 maybe I would be surprised but I think not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwe9n4Den7M
Best X track or what?

>>4003974
Great game, but not as good as X1, X2, or X4. The cutscenes in the Playstation version were great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JS4iMSC_i8

>>4008508
PSX version has shit framerate. play the Saturn version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtUknDP4Ik

>>4008509
Saturn ver on the left. at least 2x the frames.

X4's stage intros always pump me up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyZ7ss7JpzM

>>4008519
>they forgot to change irregular to maverick during the localization

>>4008519
I think x4 had the best music in the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juVyZJdK6Io

>>4006063
oops forgot about X8. I've heard its better than X7 at least. X6 was pretty mediocre as well.

>>4008519
OWEL

>>4008526
The soundtrack does have a bit of a 90s anime vibe to it, which I assume, given the rest of the game, is what they were going for. I'm personally fond of the English ending theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2uTlq2RJg

>>4008145

>massive control downgrade

That's and overstatement. Classic 4chan hyperbole. Wah its not as good as Snes, boo fucking hoo. It's still good.

>lazy level design

It's better than X3's by far. X3's levels are blessed with great enemies but are raped by the segmentation of them that only seem like they're there to prevent Zero from being enjoyed throughout the level and bulk of the game.

>bullshit hide and seek bosses

It's not that bad. Not at all. More hyperbole. Jeez.

>>4003974
I hate that the music tracks, while good, are very short and looped. Would it have killed the devs to tack on an extra minute to each track?

Also, Zero is too risky to use for too little of reward. One death and he's permanently gone? The Z-Saber can't even be used against bosses, and it's not like it's a big deal for 95% of the enemy roster.

>>4004687
maybe I sound like a noob but how does one apply a rom hack?
ips patching software?

>>4008782
A program called Lunar IPS can do it, probably others by now too. Also, some hacks need ROMs with headers and some don't, so check to make sure you're using the right ROM.

>>4008791
thx
gonna try it now

>>4008791
>>4004687
Just tried it
didn't work on my wii
maybe my emulator cant run patched roms?
ill try on znes on pc now i guess

>>4008836
>>4008819
>>4008791
>>4006903
>>4004687
It says wrong rom
could someone upload the rom pre-patched?
i dont know why mine isnt working.

I tried playing Zero Project but after I while I was reminded X3 is just not fun at all no matter what. So I spent my afternoon beating X2 for the nth time.

Overall, its just wasted potential
Ride Armors and Zero should've been things you could use even against bosses, i still fucking dream of being able to fight Doppler Stage 2 Vile boss fight with a Ride Armor.
Special weapons could've been better

Level design is OK at the very least but a lot of the good stuff like the secrets is just wasted space because the special chips are NOT worth collecting because the golden chip gives you everything and the level design shows shit was meant to be potentially beated with Ride Armors in mind but when there's a (mini) boss entrance, that's when you're locked out of the Ride Armor, which sucks for aforementioned reasons, and the music could be better, its well composed because i heard remixes and re-arranged versions of the whole MMX3 soundtrack and its amazing.

The only strong point this game has and its a very fucking big point, its the best MMX game to do Buster-only runs

>>4008840


http://www111.zippyshare.com/v/SpOXPnBQ/file.html

>>4008508
>>4008509

Speaking of versions, I tried playing the PC version the other day, which AFAIK is the only one having the PS1/Saturn cutscenes, the CD music, while being in English.

However I get a glitch in Doppler Stage 1 where the bg doesn't show up, anyone know what's up with that? I wanted to try another iso, but the only other one I found was the same dump.

>>4004574
about 100 games

>>4003974
That one super nintendo game I let slip through my fingers. I still smash X and X2 every now and then. Its funny watching my buddies who didnt grow up playing these games think im a savant, dashing around .

>>4008993
no idea. are you running win10 by chance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeJN1z2tEo4

i liked it more than x4, but I like x2 and x1 better

>>4005545
X4 > X2 > X > X8? > X6 > X7 > X5 > X3

I think the change of music style really hurt its atmosphere. It has some great tracks (Vile's Stage, Dr. Droppler Stage 1, Credits Roll), but most of it is way too slow and slugish compared to the energetic and fastpaced feel X1 and X2 had.

Other than that, is a great sequel. More stuff to find, longer(ish) stages, more stuff that can be done in different ways on different playthroughs, same great gameplay, stage design and boss battles...
People who pretend it's radically different in quality to the first two, for better or worse, are just being nitpicky and/or blinded by nostalgia.

Do the minibosses in these games annoy anyone else? Some of them are harder than the actual stage bosses.

>>4011434
X6>X1>X4>X3>X2>X8>Broken copies of any aformentioned game>X7

Nice, thread is still going

Wanted to post that I love MMX3, fuck the haters
1st game w/ playable Zero, mechsuits are awesome, Gravity Beetle is wicked and his (SNES) music is the best, Bit&Byte were fun bosses to fight

X Collection for PS2 really fucked up picking the (Saturn?) version, music was BS and sound fx were shit, I can't even remember the cutscenes

>>4013281
I believe the X collection used all PSX versions. MMX3 for PSX was just a shit port.

Also Vile is the best boss. Why didnt he return?

What the fuck kind of name is Godkarmachine O Inary?

>>4003974
only good with the rebalancing of the Zero-Project. I can't play vanilla again
>Fully Playable Zero, upgrades, weapons etc.
>better written script
>Re-tweaking of X's upgrades
>Less bugs
Literally could not be better and is the only way to play the game

>>4013315
God+Karma+Machine+O(probably meaning "great" in this case)+Inari(deity associated with foxes, hence the fox head on top of the other one)

>>4013294
That mecha suit looks like it was designed by Rob Liefeld

>>4015185
there are actually feet on it and i dont see a single pouch.

>>4007962
>Overrated exercise of mediocrity that somehow got a free pass for all the stupid shit it did because of mindless zero cocksucking and blind nostalgia.
>he says while defending X3