/vr/ - Retro Games

I'm sure /vr/ is cool enough not to spoil it, but why even make a thread if you don't want to be spoiled?
What is the purpose of this thread? There is bound to be discussion about the game leading to spoilers.

Which version are you playing?

600 A.D. isn't even the most impressive time period, either. In fact, I personally find it to be the least stimulating one. I mean, it's fun, but it's fairly vanilla Dark Ages-type shit in general.

>>399804
I was just gonna make this thread and walk away. You can talk about whatever you want here.

>>399805
SNES

>>399817
I like the overworld music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1pgSY48mgE

OP, I have a treat for you.

>>399817
Not to spoil anything for OP but there is a lot of things to do in 600AD that I enjoyed over other time periods that had very noticeable results

>>399865
He's gone, or at least he said he was going to be by this point, so please elaborate.

>not looking at official artwork
>posts official artwork

Anyway, yeah, 600 AD is alright, but just wait until you see 12,000 BC.

>>399915
I like how Zeal just completely takes over the game once you're introduced to it.

>>399915
BURN BOBONGA!

How does the DS remake hold up to the original /vr/? I've only played the remake. This is the only video game that's actually made me cry.
[Spoiler] I thought Chrono was dead for good [/spoiler]

>>399937
I nearly lose it just thinking about the part where Lucca travels back to the moment just before her mother's legs get mangled. It provokes actual hysteria in me.

>>399937
Very well. The new translation is very good and only loses some negligible aspects, like Frog speaking in ye olde english, as well as uncensoring all the alcohol references.

The Lost Sanctum was complete garbage but as long as you avoided that it's a perfectly good port.

>>399937
They're both good choices.

>>399937
I had that spoiled to me like 2 hours before I reached that point.

So guys.

Robo or Frog?

>>399926
I don't get why everyone says things like this. I disagree completely.

>>399998
Frog. Robo sucks.

>>400000

>40000

I think you've earned the ability to be entitled to your own opinion.

>>400000
By that point in the game you've completely wrapped up the Prehistory, Middle Ages and Present eras.
Aside from the brief detour to get the Epoch you spend the entire last third of the plot running around Zeal, while learning that almost every important NPC was born there.

>>400016
>By that point in the game you've completely wrapped up the Prehistory, Middle Ages and Present eras.
No you haven't, unless you fight lavos immediately after you finish your first visit to zeal.

>>399998
They're oddly similar characters, but Frog has better overall attacking power and a couple more useful dual techs.

>>400000
After Zeal, you have only Lavos to fight in the main story. The premier dungeon in endgame is the Black Omen. There's plenty of shit to do in the other time periods, but they're only connected loosely, if at all.

>>400025
Are you talking about the side quests?
Because those just wrap up the characters' personal arcs and have little to do with the actual main storyline.
I'm considering the revival of Chrono to be the very last part of the story before the finale.

>>399846
I knew exactly what that link was before I even went to it
Easily one of the best piano covers of any vidya song, ever

>>399846
God shit like this makes me wish I was able to learn an instrument.

>>400049
It's never too late anon

I drew Lucca a few months back.

She's like.. A microcosm of cool things imo.

>>400057
I live way out in the country. There's not much I can really do to get taught and instrument.

>>400061
That's a cool fucking drawing
>>400067
you can self teach. get a midi keyboard, download some books, and get started.

>>400073
>you can self teach. get a midi keyboard, download some books, and get started.

I'm always worried about picking the "wrong" resource for learning something when I do it like that. And with something like an instrument it's really hard to tell if you're doing something wrong without someone who actually knows what they're doing being there to assist.

>>400124
Use multiple resources, or get a recommendation.

>>400124
It doesn't matter. At all. If you do something wrong then you'll fix it later.
Seriously, worries like that shouldn't stop you from picking up an instrument. It's one of the most rewarding things you can do in your life, and you will seriously regret it if you don't do it.

If you wish you had learned an instrument now, think about how much you'll regret it if you're 80 years old and your fingers don't even work right anymore.
At no point in your life will you look back and say "man i really wish I hadn't learned piano"

>>399817
>The least stimulating one.

That's not 2300 AD.

>>400154
I love the feeling of the hopeless wasteland. But besides that, it also has general "future" charm with its creative tech, as well as cool scrapyards and stories from the resigned populace.

>>399817
600 AD is the time period with the most going on by far.

What?

>>400124
You can learn from lessons online, It's how I've learn to play bass, piano, guitar, and saxaphone.

Best gameplay:
600 AD > Zeal-Time > 1000 AD > 65mBC > 2300 AD

Best story/plot points:
Zeal > 65mBC > 2300 AD > 600 AD > 1000 AD

Environment/"feel"... I don't know the word I'm looking for:
65mBC > Zeal > 2300 AD > 1000 AD > 600 AD

best game of all time imo

>>400191
Not denying that, I just don't like said content. Rescuing Leene isn't particularly fun. Magus' castle is decent. Ozzie's fort was OK from what I can remember. The rest of what you can do there isn't particularly memorable -- the only subplot I like is the one between the cook and the Knight Captain. The people, by and large, just talk about bland Magus war crap or the fact that they all actually believe some hyperactive 6-year-old is a hero of destiny.

>>400203
You forgot: Best music - Zeal > Everything else which is complete shit tier in comparison

>>400262
I beg to differ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A11eWGIasMY

Best song in the whole OST right there.

>>400203
>Hitting Zeal for the first time

That shit was mind blowing. I played it like a year ago and I still thought it held up amazingly well. No other JRPG from that era has had me as hooked.

>>399879
600AD has the most "I'm a time traveler and I'm messing with history" feel over the rest.

From the minute you set foot in that era, you're screwing up or fixing history. Be it getting the correct Leene, the whole Rainbow Shell fiasco, Fiona's Forest, getting the sunstone, it all seems to go back to 600AD.

I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the other eras, but you take more of a backseat role to the big picture. Zeal is fated to die along with the lizards, 2300 AD is already crapsack and the point of the game is to make it not happen

>>400268
The beginning is Golbez's theme remixed ya know

>>400282
Your words are wise.

Have a pretty translucent blue noodly thing.

>>400290
It's obviously Nadia, she's the only link between all the time periods.

So, what entity was showing you the passage of time?

tl;dr this thread
I hated the ending to this game.
that being said, here are a couple (mostly) spoiler-free wallpapers

>>400289
Is it?

Are you sure it's not a tried and true method of beginning an ominous song?

>>400290
Schala I think

>>400302
>Guitar

That's not a guitar. I can forgive you though, it's an easy mistake.

>>400295

>>400268
That part that kicks in at 1:43 is the best part, especially the "guitar" that introduces itself at 1:52.

I have a feeling this YouTuber ripped the music from ZSNES though, it sounds off.

>>400268
I believe Uematsu himself composed that, which is why it's so damn good.

He also composed Silent Light, Sealed Door, Bike Race, People Without Hope, Underground Sewer, Primitive Mountain and Burn Bobonga.
And he composed the first boss battle music with Noriko Matsueda
The rest is all Yasunori Mitsuda

>>400290

The planet itself.

>>400290
The planet.
It was flashing back on its life as it was dying.

It's an OK game. I've never understood the love it gets. Well made, sure. Just not anywhere near my top 10 RPGs.

>>400307
Of course it's not a guitar, it's a sampled sound on the SPC chip that sounds like a plucked instrument like a guitar.

>>400293
>>400303
>>400315
>>400317
It's the guru at the end of time you retards.

>>400317
Ya know all the years I played this game I never made that connection with that scene in the forest?

Is this another cult fanbase for a mediocre game? Maybe you and the Alpha Centauri fans can talk about your shit tastes together.

>>400318
I like it for it's simplicity.
The game has an engaging storyline but never gets bogged down by being melodramatic. It always retains an adventuresome feel even as the heavy shit hits.

The gameplay itself is straight forward as far as JRPGs are concerned, not really having much complexity. But it's so refined, fast and polished that it gets away with it.

It still has my favorite ending theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1qbVI9iTBU

>>400289
Also, later portions of the song are recycled in Final Fantasy IX, in particular at just before the 2 minute point.

>>400329
>I DONT LIKE IT SO THAT MEANS ITS BAD

>>400325
The forest scene heavily alludes to the idea it's the planet.
Chrono Cross outright says it.

>>400342
>Chrono Cross
>implying that's canon

>>400342
Fuck you Chrono Cross.

Of course you'd do that shit.

Man I hate that fucking sequel.

I want to like it so much and it just WON'T LET ME.

>>400347
What was wrong with Cross? It's definitely one of my top PS1 games. Apart from the battles mechanics being a bit iffy, I personally can't fault it.

>>400357
WHERE TO BEGIN.

>>400357
Chrono Cross basically makes the entire story of CT totally meaningless.

>>400348
>Chrono Trigger
A youthful, simple game where the heroes win, your actions are always right, the world thanks you and you have a big parade for the big damned heroes you are. You meet a few close friends who you'll never imagine parting with

>Chrono Cross
A complicated game where you learn every action has a consequence, nobody is 100% right or wrong and the whole world is a grey mess and your childhood was a lie. You meet a ton of people you hardly care about and form working relationships toward a common goal.

This is why people hate Cross, it reminds them too much of growing up

>>400342
But Chrono Cross's entire premise means that everything is the entity.

>>400038
Well that's your problem. Completing the side quests involves manipulating events across time, which really enriches the game.

>>400362
People hate Cross because it's a big dumb sloppy mess

>>400124
At minimum you will become familiar with using your fingers to hit the keys. You will also pick rhythm and recognize chords. Just start. The ladies will love you.

>>400362
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

Try the plethora of superfluous characters.

The exposition freight train that runs you the fuck over at the twilight hour of the game.

The fact that there IS NO ACTUAL TIME TRAVEL, SAVE FOR THE ORPHANAGE BIT.

>>400382
That too

>>400362
There are many more things wrong with CC than that.

I happen to live in an alternate timeline where chrono cross doesn't exist.

>>400386
Oh.

So there was a proper successor to Chrono Trigger, right? Set on a different world and stuff, but with the same time travel gimmick? Kind of like Final Fantasy is different each time?

Was that the thing that happened?

When they said the DS remake had a hidden boss and expanded on Magus's fate, I was sad when it just connected it to Chrono Cross and, worse yet, reminded me that that one character was supposed to be Magus but he got cut for time

You're all wrong. The only thing said is Lucca mumbling about "the entity". It's intentionally left at that. Any further speculation is the result of the user's interpretation.

>>400395
Guh. I hate that fucking scene.

>>400362
Even judging it as a standalone game I found the battle system stupidly complex and the narrative all over the place.
The tons of worthless characters who barely even benefit the game and countless hours of exposition to try and explain the confusing writing didn't help.

>>400410
it's a fine game but it has a pretty convoluted plot. most people hate it because it wasn't 'chrono trigger 2'

>>400384
To be fair to CC, I don't think the core story is that bad, but the game as a whole just seems so bloated and awkward. I think it was a prime victim of the "well we have all this storage space, we gotta do SOMETHING with it" attitude that seemed to spring up in the early days of disc-based games.

I was gonna play CC after I beat FF6 and 7, is it really a bad game or just a bad sequel?

>>400410
It's an ok game, but a terrible CT sequel.

>>400410
The gameplay is love it/hate it and the plot is famous for being a trainwreck.
It's awful as a sequel and mediocre on its own.

Amazing music though.

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So I guess not a whole lot of you played Radical Dreamers. Or didn't enjoy it the way I did. That's fine, I guess. It's not for everybody.

>>400410
Fuck those guys, it's a great RPG, just not a great Chrono game.
Also, it looks fantastic and has a brilliant soundtrack.

Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross are both good. The only real flaw with Chrono Cross was that the overall manner of storytelling was odd and the story itself was heavily backloaded. If it was restructured a bit, I think the story would be on par with Trigger's, and in some respects surpass it.

>>400410
The only connection Chrono Cross seems to have with Chrono Trigger's story is it makes you feel bad for playing the game because everything wrong in Cross is your fucking fault

>>400429
Yeah. The game is meant to be played for the atmosphere.

Plenty of tropical locations.

It's like... Beach Level: The RPG.

>>400436
This is accurate.
I remember nothing about the story or cast and don't remember having fun with it, but to this day I can recall most of the music and remember every major locale.

Definitely the highlight of the game.

>>400149
>It's one of the most rewarding things you can do in your life, and you will seriously regret it if you don't do it.
Maybe 500 years ago...

OOHOHOHOHHOO~

DID SOMEBODY SAY CHRONO CROSS?

HAVE A COCONUT, AND A FISH FILET.

If you enjoyed both Chrono Trigger and Chroro Cross I highly recommend trying the fan-made Flames of Eternity. One of the best fan-mades I've ever played and ties the two stories together seamlessly.

>>400460
You forgot your theme music, Mr.Beach Level sir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM94EFNizOY

>>400470
that's not Jimmy Buffett

>>400464
Why do fan games always have the gayest names?

>>400730
There's a reason these people can't get actual jobs in game development.

>>400289
>>400339

As well as the pyramid theme in Final Fantasy V. But god damn, Tyrano Lair + Corridors of Time are easily the best part.

>>400436
That's the reason I beat FFX, despite hating it. Fuck, only the first area is actually a beach level, but every time I'd see the box my brain would shut down and just say "HOLY SHIT THERE'S SO MUCH AQUAMARINE, YOU HAVE TO PLAY THIS GAME!!!"

>>400357
Try to suspend your disbelief at the idea of a furry who bumbles at every attempt to kill a bumpkin from the boonies but manages to kill off a group of time travelers who managed to fight off the ultimate being and saved the world by themselves.
There's plenty of reasons to hate it, but it shitting all over the story and accomplishments of chrono trigger is dumb, not to mention the remake of chrono trigger for DS adds a CANON ending to tie together the games, and it's dumb.

AREN'T-CHA GLAD YOU PLAYED CHRONO CROSS-CHA? ISN'T IT GREAT-CHA?!

>>400430
>The only connection Chrono Cross seems to have with Chrono Trigger's story is it makes you feel bad for playing the game because everything wrong in Cross is your fucking fault

Way to Go, Serge!
http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html

>SHUT THE FUCK UP, OP IS NOT FAGGOT

>SNES Use real SNES or BSNES/Higan so that you don't encounter crappy sound glitches.

>>401105
W-what?

You made the right decision I also went into this game blind other than knowing it was kinda popular.

I only played it once and that was a damn good memory not gona ruin it replaying it over and over.

I thought oh yeah heres final boss Magus and then its whole "insert disc 2 moment after that"
I think the loss of the zeal the only thing I ever felt in a game.

I wish I was you OP.
I played it from a cd with an emulator and like 200 roms when I was 13, about 11 years ago.
At the time I had no idea what it was, it was just another snes game. Then I played it and oh my god. Good times mang.

>>399998
Robo is always god tier. If any RPG gives you a chance to use a robot always go for the robot.

>>403503
Ain't that the truth.

>>400049

>tfw my mom is a classically-trained pianist and teacher
>tfw she taught a bunch of my friends
>tfw i never cared to learn
>tfw i know she's disappointed by it even though she doesn't say it

I still love music though.