/vr/ - Retro Games

What was the deal with the dungeons being called Temples in OOT? The only one that resembled a Temple was the Spirit Temple.

>>397615
The image of people trying to worship in those things is pretty funny.

>>397589
Shigeru Miyamoto was exploring as a child and found a cave
the shadows cast by his lantern off of the cavern walls were apparently a direct influence on the ideas behind the dungeons

>>397665
>You will never find a cave as a child and explore it

>>397615
"Shrine" is probably a more accurate translation

Link's Awakening had the coolest dungeons

>>397714
Still the same thing, really. A shrine is a place of worship and prayer.

>>397615
The "temples" were built by the powerful and wise ancient Hyrulians, when the primitive Hyrulians of the present found them, they worshipped their creators as gods, and named their creations as places worthy of worship

>>397749
It can be a place that is regarded as holy and/or sacred. Not necessarily intended for the purpose of worship like a church or temple.

>>397714

神殿 (shinden), by the kanji themselves, means "god's palace". The meaning is more simply like "holy place". Temple is the best translation I can think of (as a Japanese translator) because temple can mean a place where god/a god lives, not necessarily a place of worship

They were ancient amusement parks

>>397691
No as a kid, I ran through small forest like sections and mountainous parts in larger sections of the city blocks, which are actually fairly large for being smack dab in the middle of a city. Perimeter about .3 miles. Not gigantic, but nice enough for neighborhood kids.Some kids lived near the main woods, which is fucking huge, having a perimeter about 15 miles long and a few close patches with ~5 miles of perimeter as well. They could explore caves, ponds and reservoir if you didn't mind getting into trouble and even an old historical dungeon. But that was a 3 mile hike to get there for me. Also, plenty of wild animals and ticks and shit I didn't have to deal with in my own area aside from the rare possum, skunk, dog or racoon.

>>397967
The LoZ1 would be pretty boring amusement parks.

>>398057
*The LoZ1 Dungeons

>>398057
Well those were times with no tv or internet so pushing a block to reveal a musical tune was a blast for them.

>>398091
Yeah..but only one lucky kid got the chance to push a block.

>>398068
Go on in /vr/... it'll be just like Zelda.

>>398115
But what do I earn if I traverse this dark place?

>>398127
There's a magical rod at the end of this dungeon waiting for you.

>>398114
I wonder if Zelda ever got a chance to push any of those wacky blocks?

>>398139
no

>>398139
Well, shucks! I see no harm in trying. I've played enough Zelda to navigate a dungeon.

>>398145
The door is actually smaller than you imagine, that shit is cramped as fuck in there and goes down about 135 feet I think it was.

>>398165
It's actually been forever since I was last in there. The place was in shambles when I was a kid. Even the tower near it was rusty and practically falling apart. Though I suppose if I had to choose between this place and that fucking side of the mountain pass stairs in south america that's practically nonexistent, I'd go with this, maybe. You're kind of fucked if something happens inside and there's no help.

Thinking about it, it's fucking absurd how dangerous that shit would have been for link really.

>>398198
Well, the dungeons in the first game were rather brightly lit (for the most part) and somewhat linear (for the most part). The monsters make it dangerous.

>>398213
Well the spike traps, the lava (though you can't actually fall in) would make it dangerous as well.

>>397615
What? They all did except the Shadow Temple.

>>397615
>mfw friend wouldn't stop calling Jabu Jabu the Whale Temple

I could Tolerate Tree temple and Mine Temple, but god damn why did that annoying shit have to be my only friend with an N64
Total bro when he's atleast 20 feet from an N64 cart though

>>398430
What an asshole. It was called the fish temple, dur.

>>397691
Nope, I was raised on a ranch of more than 200 square miles in the New Mexican mountains.

I was fucking Link as a kid. It was glorious.

>>398536
>I was fucking Link as a kid
Want to back up and try that one again?

>>398536
Oh, and gold mining was huge there around the turn of the century, so there were old, abandoned mines and ghosts town stuff EVERYWHERE.

God it was glorious. I knew exactly what Miyamoto was talking about when he discussed the inspirations of Zelda.

I wish I was creative enough to turn my experiences in to something cool.

>>398549
I molested Link when he was only a small child

>>397589

Another question for you: how did all those old men get in there?

>>398621
You do realize he like fucking twelve when he fought Gannon. That nigger was one of the most bad ass heroes of any time and the most powerful link of them all.

>>398826
ikr. the set of balls he must have. :3

>>398826
Sorry no.

Cecil.

Cecil has balls the size of watermeleons.

Link can't compare.

>>398536
Why don't you come in here and have a seat.

>>398115
>tfw my local large creepy iron door was in an alley in the back of an old church
>tfw when i found a foam rock in the woods that looked like a real rock and scared my friend by throwing it at his head

>>398847
Cecil who?

>>398847
go make a cecil thread i guess
power wisdom and courage

>>397589
>Why are they in the beginning of every dungeon?
ancient fucking evils, man. use your imagination.

>>398847
Why yes! Yes I do actually

>>398443

Jonah pls.

There are steam tunnels under my home town, but I don't know where any of the entrances are. :c

>>399027
Probably for the better, you never know if you'll have your stuff held for ransom and renegotiate a contract.

>>399045
Is there a joke I'm missing?

>>399068
Yeah, using steam is dangerous to your gaming library.

>>399096
Oh, Steam, beh I'm slow tonight. :c

>>399096
Is it? Why?

>>399209
In 20 years, when valve is broke, you can't log into steam and download those games you want to play.

GoG? stuff like that? They're the cure for this industry (sort of). DRM = every game is an mmo, and you can only play it when we say you can. Good luck firing up assassin's creed 10 years from now, ubisoft.

You reinstalling a game you've already bought doesn't make the publisher any more money. If you can't install that game, why not just buy the latest version?

>>397665
>>397691
>>398036
>>398536
I grew up in a city dating back 4000 years. By the time the Greeks showed up, there was already an Etruscan settlement. The Etruscans were ousted around 900BCE and the Greeks took control but they themselves were also ousted around 100BCE when the Romans were like "nope!"
Anyway, we have catacomb/labrynth entrances and caves all around the city proper as well as the "old city" which the modern city was built directly upon. The old city is about 30 metres beneath the modern (that's about 100 feet for Americans). Even the name of part of the old city sounds like it could be the name of an area in a Zelda game. Its name translates as "the fields of fire" or "burning fields" because it's a geothermally active area of the old city that connects to a fucking volcano.
They accidentally connected part of the tunnels for the metro to parts of the catacombs, labrynth and old city. Because of political corruption and general laziness, the connections were never blocked/resealed and are still accessible if you go down into the metro tunnels on foot. When I was a kid, my friends and I would sneak into the metro tunnels with a high-powered torch and really big knives to explore them and the connecting ancient stuffs. I wish I could say we also brought a magic shield and a book that made our our magic rod's beams result in fire, but alas: no.

The only thing that really sucks about our history is that our prince is a reality TV star because royalty means fuck all to our culture. He had a tv show in the 90s that the American show 'Punked' (with Ashton Kutcher) was based on.

>>399548
>tv show in the 90s that the American show 'Punked' was based on
Um... Candid Camera was a tv show in the 1940s. You have us beat on etruscan ruins, we have you beat on tv shows.

>>399590
He played tricks on celebrities. Candid Camera didn't play tricks on celebrities, did it? Also, he's likely the most heavily tatted royal cuz he has like... three tattoos. J'sezzin'.

>>399240

>20 years

Is this the way you losers really think?

Don't buy games on steam, you won't be able to play them in TWENTY YEARS

You know what most people will be doing in twnety years? Raising their fucking kids and having something of a life

>>399240
> GoG
> cure

The developers get nothing from the sales that GoG does; and literally all they fucking do is use other peoples' work like dos box. They don't even try to fix any game crash bugs, or give you every version of the game, or fucking anything. Remember the original XCOM? How it was riddled with fucking bugs like difficulty level resets on save/load? Someone sat down and spent time taking that shit apart, fixing it, and updating it; they called it XcomUtil and it was a fanmade masterpiece of love. GoG doesn't do ANY of that shit, they just do what the "pirates" do but: 1. Do it legally by obtaining copy licenses and 2. Do it for a direct profit.

Anyone who makes selling old games that can't even run without emulation, and doesn't bother updating or fixing them in any way, is just another form of terminal cancer in the games industry.

>>399679
Not the same guy, and I don't even really agree with him, but those things aren't really mutually exclusive. I have a 5 year old son and I play games from 20 + years ago with him all the time.

His favorite game recently has been Mario Bros. 3.

>>399679
You're right, adults never have hobbies.

>>399679
Ten.
Five.
Two.

Once the servers are down, they're down. How long doesn't matter. DRM is basically the death of the industry, and the antithesis of this board. It's about enjoying games from 'long ago' that still work.

Diablo I isn't supported on battle.net anymore, but you can still install it. You can play LAN if you can get it working.
When Diablo III isn't supported anymore, you can't install it. Not even for just you. There will be no game.

There is a functional cutoff point where DRM began being heavily introduced and a new historical strata begins. And there will be no 'fossil record' after this point because it will erase itself. There will be no more 'Good Old Games' because there will be no server to connect to.
You sound a little young for this board, to be honest, but I won't tell

>>398847

>Cecil
>balls

Yeah, balls enough to let his friends keep sacrificing themselves to save him.

"No I won't leave you to die! No I won't! No....okay, see ya."

Seriously, Final Fantasy fags have to ruin every thread.....

>>399718
>Own a Sega Genesis
>The whole system is solid-state
>The components are all built like a fucking tank
>The games are stored in mask ROM, literally etched into stone

THE YEAR ONE MILLION A.D.: ONLY ROM CARTS REMAIN

>>399679
You're an idiot. A complete imbecile. You do know playing video games and raising kids aren't mutually exclusive, right? It's like your whole concept of video games and people who play them comes from Big Bang Theory.

>>399240
>>399679
>>399718

>guy complaining about DRM because it won't be supported in some future time unknown

Many games from 10-15 years ago already won't run on current PC platforms without emulating older versions of windows or downloading patches from their developers. And many of those developers aren't supporting those older games anyway. Hell, games like Sim City 4 had trouble running on PCs upwards of 2-3 years after it came out.

DRM and DLC have plenty of issues. But focusing on them not being supported is not the way you should be arguing. Actual physical releases of PC games also need to be supported with advancements in hardware. And 9 times out of 10, they aren't.

>>399759
>Actual physical releases of PC games
That's what I'm talking about. It's already happening, there's no physical media. There's nothing concrete, it's all æther. Out of sight, out of mind. One day it's just gone from 'le olde appe store'. And c'est la vie.

>>399679
People have already lost games from their consumer abuse strategies.

>and having something of a life
No they won't. It doesn't exist.

>>399793

I know what you're talking about. But there has still been plenty of physical media out there. If anything, there's more physical copies of PC games in stores now then there was a few years ago.

And for all your bitching about all games disappearing once Steam is gone, you know 99% of it will just appear on torrent sites and retro download sites. Just like most of the older games (that have physical copies) are now easily downloaded online today.

Once again, you did not even understand my point. DRM and DLC are a problem. But not for the reason you are arguing.

>>398364
>It is generally believed that the Shadow Folk, the Sheikahs, built the temple for purposes unknown.

They could have used it for their own place of worship or a place of training. Its original Japanese name translates to Palace of Darkness.

>>399847
>If anything, there's more physical copies of PC games in stores now then there was a few years ago.
Alright, aside from that dipshit remark, let's get it back on track. Zelda.

>>397615

>What was the deal with the dungeons being called Temples in OOT? The only one that resembled a Temple was the Spirit Temple.

Each temple is the literal spiritual center of one of the Sages. And after the sage is awakened, their spirit remains within the temple.

>>398364
>>399856
It is possible that the raven-like statue found all over the Shadow Temple symbolizes the dungeon's patron deity. This statue is never mentioned, but it is seen quite often throughout the temple. This raven-like being could very well be a god or goddess to the Sheikah, though neither Sheik nor Impa ever mention a patron deity of the Shadow Folk. Additionally, all of the other adult dungeons seem to have their own representations. Another fact supporting this theory is that this statue is present in the Bottom of the Well, another area that has been linked with the Sheikah.

Just a theory from Zeldapedia...

>>399662
>Candid Camera didn't play tricks on celebrities, did it?
Yes. Yes, it did.