/vr/ - Retro Games

HIGHWAY TO HELL
-Second phase of map submissions closed
->>/vr/thread/3901193#p3901898

QUMP
-Mapping deadline reached(?)
-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

=== NEWS ===

[4-30] GZDoom 3.0.0 released; FMOD out due to GPL compliance, all QZDoom features merged
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=56132

[4-29] Wraith Revenant released; an asset extraction tool for Nu-Doom
http://aviacreations.com/wraith/

[4-28] Evolution of the WAD Episode 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxl90i97nns

[4-24] New gameplay mod; osjc's Major Crisis
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=56076

[4-23] Adventures of Square updated to 1.4
http://adventuresofsquare.com/news.php

[4-21] REKKR Soundtrack released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjzTY6dDKHs&list=PLYIx7audKFzxTpbCF1YwKYqAw-_FSV1-Y

[4-17] Latest episodes of both Intermission and Evolution of the WAD podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNydFHUBt0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpcv_YQ4gU

[4-14] Lithium 1.4 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54904&start=90#p990887

[4-14] gdxBlood Progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRGliXZq8XY

[4-14] Anon release; a dungeon crawler mod with three maps
https://my.mixtape.moe/mfzord.pk3

[4-12] ZDoom.org has had a complete redesign
https://zdoom.org/

[4-12] Omni Shields: consumable invulnerability inventory items
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55974

[4-8] Linguica's Antrywey released; a strictly vanilla map created with savegame trickery
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93650-antrywey-small-vanilla-level/

[4-8] MetaDoom v3.666 released; pistol ammo cvar and some rebalancing
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=989530#p989530

=== PREVIOUS ===

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=== PROTIP ===

If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, please reply/backlink to this post.

>>3958097
Reminder that Doom is overrated and the creator is so small minded he thinks stories in games have no importance.

>>3958105
It depends, at times i've appreciated games for cutting the bullshit and having no story. Other games have amazing stories and would be nothing without the story.

I like both. They both have their places.

i want to program multiplayer part of fps game. How much things change since quake,hl ?

Man, playing without the taller HUD feels weird.

>>3958105
In a "Game" GAMEplay>story every single time.

There's a crapton of games with terrible stories but good gameplay.

Games with any kind of story, no matter how good, and shit gameplay get forgotten fast simply because nobody's playing them.

>>3958105
Story over gameplay gave us walk-sims.

>>3958123
>Games with any kind of story, no matter how good, and shit gameplay get forgotten fast simply because nobody's playing them.
Undertale called.

>>3958123
>Undertale doesn't exist
What are you smoking? Strip out all the story, what's left? An ez mode bullet dodger with light rpg elements and bad graphics.

>>3958125
Strawman, the point is he said it wasn't important.

This is simply untrue.

>>3958129
>>3958132

Undertale had decent gameplay + decent story. Not the "best of the best", but definitely not the worst either.

Too bad most people are on the extreme points of faggotry spectrum about the game.

>>3958134
The gameplay was trash. Resident Evil Gaiden did what it tried to do with combat but did the attacking portion far better.

>>3957612
>Rage tried to give the feeling of open world and that's why you face so many invis walls around
Are you fucking serious? There's nothing more breaking the feeling of open world than invisible walls absolutely fucking everywhere. One of examples of dumb invisible walls is right in the first "village". It's possible to build enough speed with sprint bunny hopping to get up on a fence and... there's an invisible wall in front of your face. And such shit is pretty much anywhere you go.
>>3957876
I agree, DEU is the hottest editor around.

>>3958132
>This is simply untrue.

Explain how Tetris and other games with no story and no coherent ways to attach one are still popular to this day?

Explain early Castlevania, Mario, Megaman or Sonics that are regarded as best in the series - their stories are even simpler than what is there in Doom

>>3958134
>Decent gameplay
Look, let's face it, there are visual novels with slightly more than a page turner to the mechanics that get lots of following.

Carmack was wrong, I get where he was coming from, but saying story isn't important, is retarded. It doesn't HAVE to be important is way different than saying it isn't important.

i sure do love talking about undertale on the retro video games forum

>>3958148
VN is basically "chose your own adventure" book with pictures. Good story is a good story, no matter the medium, however if you are making a game with good gameplay, story would not be important, as long as gameplay is worth it.

>>3958152
Again, it's kinda a toss up because a good story transcends the medium if that makes sense. A good story can be a good story regardless of the gameplay, and good gameplay can't always save a bad story.

>>3958158
Good gameplay does not save a story, but it saves the game.

>>3958162
And once again this is all Strawmanning avoiding the original comment, the guy thinks story isn't important. Which is different than doesn't have to be. And as noted we've already seen with other games with good stories and nothin special in the gameplay department that did amazing...because of the story.

>>3958167
Those do not excel as a game. They excel as a story, not as a game. They couldve been anything else if not a game.

Also I dont think you know what strawman is.

>>3958167
It's like you intentionally pretend to not understand a point.

However you might also be too stupid to understand it, which is also likely.

>>3958170
>introduces a rebuttal to an argument never put forward
>gets called out
>lolol u dunno wat a strawman is
Anyway, I never said good gameplay can't save the game, I said story can absolutely be an important factor. I don't think Undertale would have worked as anything else because there's no interaction with the characters, I mean shit some of the story is TOLD through the gameplay.

>>3958174
Okay tell me as clear as you can your point and I'll tell you why you're either using a fallacy or are just wrong.

>>3958176
If story would've been important, then a good game would be impossible without a good story, but that is not true as there are numerous examples to the contrary.

Therefore story is not important.

Good game can made with a good story.
Good game can be made without a good story.

>>3958182
Strawman, again, his original quote is story is not important, which is different than story doesn't have to be important. Saying it's not important implies story is not important, it does not ever add anything useful to the game, it bears no consideration, it is fluff, always.

This is objectively false.

>>3958139
It's not as bad as it sounds desu. But these could be fixed by adding a bit more space to move.

As far as the map design goes, it's obvious why the player is blocked from accessing some parts of the map. Rage uses the same type of "openworld" design as wolfenstein 2009. There's a big open map where stuff happens (random spawns and settlements) and linear mission maps. Rage just added hub maps into the mix (Wellspring, Subway Town). If you look at it from that perspective, the game is a semi-open world that just gives a feeling everything being part of something bigger. Imo, it worked, but the linear mission maps could've been a bit more open like in nuDoom.

>>3958182
Doesn't that just mean story doesn't have to be important? Story is not important is like saying food options beyond your basic health needs are not important.

They don't HAVE to be, depending on the person, yet it's still an enormously large industry that many do consider vital.

how does one use soundfonts with openal?

>>3958207
boy you are really, really intent on this, huh

>>3958213
By using them like you would before.

>>3958213
The process doesn't really change, I believe.

>>3958214
Well when you're right you're right you know? Really, there's just a difference between sayin somethin isn't important, and something doesn't have to be to have a successful game.

>>3958117
What does the tall hud look like?

>>3958223
Basically, in vanilla Doom pixels were 20% taller than a typical square pixel. G/ZDoom until recently kept this stretch for the HUD elements in general, for now at least you can turn it off like in some other ports so the status bar looks shorter, which now seems to be the default in this new version of GZDoom.

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio

I assume the pixel ratio for actual play has gone untouched, Term did a video on that and it would seem pretty noticeable if it did change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA9Zf6fKxyc

>>3958264
>hud stays the same size regardless of pixel size
pretty interesting though. I like the 10.0 pixel ratio - damn weird effect.

>>3958264
Why give the option of unscaling the HUD specifically? Seems kinda pointless.

>Playing UAC Ultra
I really like this. The map design is great and feels like an actual base and the enemy placement is good and fair without relying on hundreds of revenants ambushing you twice a level.
The part in the first map where you're out on the Martian surface and need to use hazmat suits to breathe was a really cool touch too.

The only shit part is the new enemy. Fuck that thing, it isn't even animated well and basically functions as a combat shotgun Mancubus. Any encounter with more than one becomes a weird Bullet Hell mingame.

r8 my crew

Unless the maps are really easy like episodes 1-3 of Ultimate Doom, I almost always feel the need to take at least a half hour break between every map, especially after beating my head against a wall trying to beat a single map. It makes megawads take a really fuckin long time to beat. I have fun when I play them, but I often end up not completing them before I just start playing something else.

Anyone else have this problem? There's probably not really a "solution"; no save pistol start UV is pretty much guaranteed to make every map take a while, especially in wads like Plutonia that are based on traps that are almost guaranteed to kill you the first time you see them, but I guess that's what I signed up for.

>>3958538
Are you starting every map with just the pistol?

>>3958543
>no save pistol start UV
Yeah.

>>3958545
Don't. You can carry weapons over when playing pistol start. Pistol start only means that you have to start with the pistol if you die.

>>3958097
Im looking for a wad that has maps for the E6M1 - E6M9 namespace...
The only one that i know if is the DTWID-LE mapset. Is their a single other episode 6?

>>3958557
I did not know this. I just assumed you needed to start every map with just the pistol.

>>3958557
>Pistol start only means that you have to start with the pistol if you die.

Where did you hear that? Every time I've heard people discuss wads designed with "pistol start", it means that all the maps are balanced around, well, starting with the pistol.

With maps designed for pistol start, I think carryover is just too much. Enemy encounters are set up assuming the weapon, ammo, and health limitations of the map, creating a pattern of tension and release that get totally diluted when you're coming in with ordnance that gives you a clear advantage. Coming into E3M8 with a BFG that kills the Mastermind in one hit is the quintessential example.

I know that vanilla behavior is what you're describing, but once I started pistol starting every map, I started realizing the dynamics of resource management and limitations (not to mention how vital secrets are) that I was completely missing over by starting maps with a plasma gun and 200 health, and I never wanted to go back.

>>3958513
What I dispise about the BIA mod is that the radios spawn inside of the armor bonuses, and it irks me because it just looks unseemly. I wish I could modify that behavior. I rate your crew 8/8. How did you spawn the mecha? By console, are you using a special map, or is there a mod with the ability as a powerup?

Duke Nukem for the win. Allen Blum was the king of mapping. Derelict is better than any Doom map between 1994 and 2017.

What are the hottest wads of 2017 lads?

>>3958392
looking good, nice stuff

>>3958625
As varied as the quality is of The Birth, I do agree in that Derelict is a really fucking good map, probably the best in the original 3D Realms releases.

>>3958618
On the contrary I think that pistol starting can bring a sense of negligence and carelessness to resource management, especially as you approach the end of a map.

I always play a megawad doing pistol starts first and have done since SOD released, and then if I revisit I'll do continuous. Recently during my first AA playthrough whenever I noticed there were ~50 monsters remaining I'd abandon my conservative nature to both ammo and health and just exhaust my most expensive ammo, and, it wouldn't even matter if I carelessly lost most of my (usually) superhealth because there is no punishment to weak finishes in pistol starts, in fact it almost encourages it.

Sure, pistol starting is still much more interesting and intense than continuous play but I wish there was a middle ground where, perhaps, all cells, most rockets and super health/armour don't carry over.

>>3958636
this
https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4k2bxhorxb4vyo/CLANG.wad?dl=0

>>3958672
there's no such thing as carelessness when you're almost always going have more ammo, weapons, and armor at the start of each continuous map. And the only reason you'd want to save up on rare and powerful ammo is if you want to cheese a part of a future map that expects you to have much less firepower.

that middleground thing sounds sort of like what heretic did with items and that still led to item hoarding. Saving items for when they'd be useful and realizing you went through the entire map without using them.

>>3958625

I actually liked Romero's new maps. Especially the alternate e1m8

>>3958672
I'd say that the big blowout at the end is part of the dramatic arc of a pistol started level: you start out a map at your lowest point, scrounging for ammo and running from monsters because you just can't afford to fight them, slowly building an arsenal up that lets you take the fight back to the enemies that once overwhelmed you, and then burn it all for the grand finale. In easy maps, it's a catharsis of wiping out enemies that once had the advantage over you; in hard maps, it's a hail of enemy fire that forces you to use everything you've got to earn your exit.

With carryover, that rising action to the climactic finish gets inverted: you start out already having the upper hand against your enemies, and it descends into a conservative finish where you hold back on using everything you've got so you can keep that advantage heading into the next map, or even worse, running around an empty map searching for secrets to bring over.

Of course, the nature of tension and feelings is that they're subjective, and not everyone shares the same idea of what a good arc feels like, or if even an arc is necessary at all. But for me, pistol starting is what Doom is all about.

>>3958593
In Heretic, yes. In Doom, not that I know of.

anyone have a download link to burl tumd?
my hard drive broke a couple of months ago and I can't find a working link

>>3958839
Uploaded it.

https://anonfiles.cc/file/23a409a62d7c64209d54a890522d4d93

>>3958264
The vertical aiming in that video is disgusting.

>>3958724
Yeah, he's still got it

>>3958430
lots of children have only ever played ports that didn't bother properly scaling the HUD and now they demand it be wrong

Have there been any notable wads that use portals for non-euclidean geometry in gameplay that aren't tech-demos?

I've worked on this short proof of concept for the last couple of days. However short it may be, is the gameplay is interesting or just annoying?

Only works with GzDoom (Tested it with 2.4.0)
https://my.mixtape.moe/hawgif.7z

Intended for keyboard only, no looking, no crouching, no jumping. It is able to be run in software, but hardware works fine. Ambient occlusion tends to lag a bit with the portals, though.

>>3958392
I'd make them A_FaceTarget while they can see you, I dunno. Them skulking around in plain sight looks odd.

>>3958619
the tank is spawnable by radio

>>3958912
Neat. Too maze-like for my liking. Having the portals be one-way means monsters pop out of nowhere occasionally, and there's not enough defining features to keep track of what portals go where.
The portal pillars looked neat though.

>>3958912
non euclidean geometry is one of the dumbest evergreen gimmicks in FPS level design. everyone thinks it will allow for OMG INCREDIBLE MIND BENDING levels but it never does because, guess what, human brains just aren't equipped to properly keep track of four-dimensional nonsense and it's never actually fun.

Nearly done. Just have to rig up the last few teleports, decide the route to unlock the red card, and then do the exit hall.

>>3958619

>>3958971
>>3958898

samefag detected.
>hating non-elucydian geometry
also a fucking moron-retard.
get bent in every way that should not be possible
you
you
DOUBLE Y'AGG'DANAF

>>3958912
Glorious. I wish to see more maps in this manner. Get to work fatso.

>>3958912
>Have there been any notable wads that use portals for non-euclidean geometry in gameplay that aren't tech-demos?
Not many.
Most people who want that just make something for the build engine, what with it being it's most notable feature.

I wonder if Duke Nukem developers have the balls or motivation to remake/replace some of their original maps. They should start with Stadium, a crappy level to end the 3rd episode.

Alright, in 3 Hours I'll make a post announcing the theme for the first /vr/ Sunday Speedmapping Session. You'll have two hours to make a map following the theme. I will compile the maps together and post it here. Any questions?

What are some of the best boss maps in a wad you've played?

>>3959025
What are the guidelines?
May we use custom THINGS? (maybe not monsters, but decorations/props?)

>>3959035
Whitemare 2 doesn't really count for it's map20, but there's that.

There was this one Hexen jokewad which was Korax's birthday, with a hand-drawn second phase/stage for Korax, that was pretty cool.

Zen Dynamics had one too.

Asbestos Queen's Asbestos queen?

>>3958967
>Having the portals be one-way means monsters pop out of nowhere occasionally
I understand this gripe. I really only realized how annoying it was once it was too late to turn back, same for how incredibly tight the map is.

>>3958971
I'm not trying to be pretentious about muh mind bending only for geniuses map. I'm aiming for intentionally disorienting-- fitting with the whole quake nightmare realm theme I tried to make.

>>3959003
Thanks luv <3

>>3959007
The issue with Build is that overlapping sectors on the same vertical plane tend to clip into one another at random. You also lack the ability (to my knowledge) of being able to shorten distances between points; you can overlap, but you can never create long and short hallways that traverse the same Cartesian distance.

>>3958919
Ive tried that before. Issue is that it get's all fucked with corners. Besides, there's currently no sane way to have moving-while-shooting sprite monsters.

>>3959051

I want to make sweet sweet love to the Build engine someday. Standardize its features, if you will, from all three of the Triad.

Except the groady way Shadow Warrior does RoR. That can stay in the 90's. Blood had a much more elegant solution for that.

>>3958971
>non euclidean geometry is one of the dumbest evergreen gimmicks in FPS level design
It can be done in a fun manner. You just need to limit your use to prevent frustration. If your goal is to make something "mind bending" you're doing it wrong. Mazes aren't fun.

>>3959062
Can we get an editor that is actually on accessibility par with w/ GZDB first before working on engine standardization? As pretty as Dos is, mapster is an eyesore.

Should I get GZDoom 3.0 yet?
Or should I wait for a bit?

A few people are reporting sound issues since FMod's removal, so I'm not sure.

>>3958392
Looking good.

Will any of these new assets be available to pinch for other creators? I feel like replica rips could come in handy for a lot of stuff.

Also I love your effects.

>>3958971
Brainlet

>>3959035

Plutonia Map30
> its an iwad
> its in a wad file

which I just found out is unplayable in my mod even though the anti-tank rocket can one-shot the romero head, because the book cases that you lower to get the spare ammo crush all of that ammo the instant they go back up to the cieling

> also somewhat unrelated, as it is in some maps, replacing the SpiderMastermind with Arachnorb Queen means they can get up from where they are and chase you around the map.

> although having two spider masterminds sitting out there provides barrage fire against you, having them come up to visit you means you have to deal with them first otherwise get ganked by them when you least expect it. Thus you've got to dump 10,000+ damage before you can really attend to anything else. And given that each one can potentially self-resurrect one time that could be as high as 20,000+ damage necessary to attend to them, before you can start working on the Cyber+Romero Head

>>3958912
I'm working on one right now, but so far I've only used the portals for fake 3D and towers.

I'm 3 levels in, and level 4 or 5 is going to be a mindfuck non-euclidean portal thing.

>>3959108 (me)
My first attempt will probably be a homage to that Duke3D level where you run around a 720 cylinder.

It was a good primer for non-euclidean level design. It was almost confusing despite being essentially linear. Like the other anon said, mazes aren't fun, so I'll stick to simple designs.

>>3959082
Seems fine to me so far.

>>3959038
No, Boom format only this time.

>>3959035
The Abyss in Duke.

>>3959108
If I may add, I just got this idea about having a portal set up at a vertical height away from the player, which forces the player to get up there. But monsters will come out of it.

Put simply this is a good way to make a Monster Teleporter that the player can also get into and thus explore more terrain. But each time they trip something more monsters will teleport into that other area, and be drawn to come through the portal at some random point giving the player unexpected company.

>>3958912
>>3959108

Anyone knows how to show the player a wrong automap?

I've want to make a tower with several floors, but trick is floors have more than 360 degrees in them and once player goes beyond normal space the map goes wrong - he sees one thing on the map, yet another thing in reality. Also he only ever sees one floor, so even if he goes to floor 4 he will still see map for the first 360 degrees of floor 1.

There will be landmarks for navigation ofc, and the overall architecture is not labyrynthian

>>3959147
If you're using GzDoom wall portals, try eternity based / static portals.

>>3959147
build it in Quake
> the player doesnt have an automap

>>3959164
It also doesn't have seemless non-euclidean geometry.

>>3959163
That's what I'm using, but they still show what's going on on the Automap, and even if you hide the lines, it would still appear that player is not in the original first floor anymore.

Are there any good Quake 2 single player maps?

besides the official expansions id like to play some newer expansive content in Q2

>>3959082

I'm not having any issues, but I'm just a random anon.

>>3959175
How big is this central circle? Is there a lot going on in it, or could you get away with having the circle be identical at any rotation, but have different rooms at North South East and West positions?

>>3958941
What mod is that? Looks cool.

QUMP when

>>3959227
older_richard_stallman_is_just_so_goddamn_sick_of_demons.jpg

>>3959227
After WSTWUMP is released.

>>3959247
wont that come out after TSUHNMWUMPADUMPAPUMP comes out tho?

>>3959263
You're making shit up. There's no fucking way that's an abbreviation of a classic FPS.

>>3959269
Come on dude, you seriously don't remember TSUHNMWUMPADUMPAPUMP? It was the spiritual sequel to YZJGGRUMPPUMPFUMPGARLOOPLELUMPFIZZLEZUNK

>>3959285
In and of itself a sequel to ZORK.

>>3959098
If you ask me you'll get 'em.

Have you found the rare and elusive CACOBLU yet?

>finished UAC Ultra
Okay, that new monster wasn't so bad. With only about five of them in the game on UV I wonder why they even bothered with it when any of the other high tier monsters would have worked in its place.
The second to last level was essentially a slaughtermap and that can fuck off, but otherwise that was really good.

>>3959309
Also, the final boss sucked. I didn't even know that thing was the boss until I activated it, and by then everything else was dead.

>>3959263
TSUHNMWUMPADUMPAPUMP BTFO!

What classic FPS genuinely makes you happy to play it?

>>3959350
Take No Prisoners

>>3959102
excuse me I got it confused
I meant Memento Mori 1's Map30

>>3959350
In their original form? None.

I mostly get my enjoyment from the new mods, maps and other community content that come out today.

>>3959289
You're a bro.

I have no actual project lined up that needs them, but I think they look super cool

>>3959350
Doom shareware in it's original form.

The original ultra low res graphics and synth sound reminds me of when I was a kid.

*vomits chunks*

>>3959387
Thanks, but I've only only converted stuff other people made so far. I'll need to animate death frames myself however, which'll probably be the hardest part of it all.

I strongly believe in sharing assets and code in the doom community. Wouldn't have learned anything myself if it weren't for all these wonderful and helpful people.

>>3959410
>wouldn't have learned anything myself if it weren't for all these wonderful and helpful people.

Same here. I can't wait to see your release because I want to open that shit in SLADE and see how you did it.

You're the guy who made the fancy shield effect for MSX right?

>>3959395
fixed it.
Was something in my autoload folder.

If you have a Santa skin, check in the wad to see if it has a modified status bar. If it does, get rid of the wad, or get rid of the modified status bar within the wad.

>>3959410
glad you feel that way

>>3958097
>tfw when your dumb pic makes it to OP
I don't have a face, but I'm pleased.
Going to ask again, any good gameplay mods for small maps? Thinking of trying 2048 Unleashed.

/vr/ SSS #1

The theme: Techbase Arena maps.
The port: Vanilla, limit removing or Boom.
The timelimit: 2 Hours
Timer begins now.

Yes, this shitty image will be the titlepic.

Oh for fucks sake, why do so many of the popular WADs start off amazing and then devolve into slaughtermaps later on? Having to beat off 30 boners at once is not fun.

why do so many of the amazing sloaughterwads start so slow? Having to beat 15-20 boring levels before things get real is not fun.

>>3959491
Because the mapper (in most cases there's only one) gets burnt out and just wants to finish making the megawad, subconsciously substituting substantial monster placement with just plonking more monsters into the map

Are there any widely used ports/renderers that break self referencing sectors? GZDoom, Zandronum, GLBoom, PRBoom, Chocolate, Crispy, etc?

I'M STUCK ON A DUKE NUKEM 3D LEVEL HAAALLPP!!!!
>Life's a Beach
>level called The Wavemistress
>giant crushers that come down from the ceiling
>can't for the life of me get past the second one
HEEEELLLLPPP!!! RRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

>>3959581
shoot the bad guys

>>3959581
Stop being a little bitch and you'll get past it.

>>3959585
I'm stuck at 10:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFReuTmosAE

These giants things come down from the ceiling and I can't get past the second one.

>>3959581
Speaking of I could never get the WizardWorks expansion packs to work with Eduke, the instructions I found seem to assume you'll be using the HRP, which I'm not.

>>3958672
>>3958697
>>3958618
>>3958735
Anyone who says Videogames aren't art is full of shit.

Doom is fucking art.

>>3959531
Because normally most people aren't scrubs and can handle some minor slaughter.

>>3959595
walk past it

>>3959491
Because the mappers behind those wads enjoy the variety of the playstyles doom has to offer. People always think a wad they like was made for them, then they feel betrayed when it switches tracks, but the simple truth is that Gusta, Alm, skillsaw, Joshy, mouldy and many others simply embrace even the styles you don't like, they see it as a natural progression to the difficulty curve. The 3rd episode slaughter in non-slaughter megawads is almost always tame compared to the heavy shit the hard core produces.

Oh and ignore the other guy, I've seen end-stretch maps done long before the entire set was filled. There's definitely such a thing as uninspired slaughter placement, but it's a rookie mistake to treat all slaughter placement as uninspired.

What was the name of that old doom-esque shooter that had you play in a kid's nightmare? It was quite disturbing.

>>3959581
I finally got past it.

>>3959350

Every single one. Even the bad ones.
I just fucking love video games.

>>3959491
>Having to beat off 30 boners at once is not fun.
I BEG TO DIFFER, AMIGO

Finished another level for my Boom mapset, now there's 5 total. Still looking for playtesters!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yfpfy95fkjz6djz/the%20devil%27s%20grip%20-%20test%20release%202.zip?dl=0

pls respond

I'm looking for some open battlefield maps (large open areas, a small army of monsters + a boss enemy).

Are there any mapsets that focus on this concept?

GIMMICKS

>>3959227
soon anon, we still have 2 guys building maps, and this project is all about helping them out and keeping them motivated!

>>3959718
Nice! 3D floors in vanilla - how do they do it

>>3959736
Its an instant lift with invisible walls. Basically same way as fake bridges.

>>3959736
By capitalizing on 2 visual glitches and sticking them in areas where the player can't ruin the effect.

Looking up breaks this illusion and like half of my other vanilla bullshittery.

Are mancubules and arachnotrons overused outside of Dead Simple clones? I'm making a map that has them, but isn't a Dead Simple clone.

>>3959742
WRONG. This actually has less utility than that. But looks more solid.

I'm trying to stay away from instant elevator bridges because I can't imagine them working properly in coop. (someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also the "chunk chunk" noise they make betrays their design.

>>3959752
They do not make a sound.

I assumed you use same way it's described in the old doomworld tutorials. I tried to look them up again but the site got buttfucked.

It'd be really nice if someone would've somehow made a video tutorials with Doom map making basics and gimmicks explained in an orderly manner (as well as most common mistakes)

>>3959698
holy hell
> its a map pack

>>3959761
>They do not make a sound.
Maybe I'm thinking of a different method then. I'm not super familiar with every trick. I didn't even make a self referencing sector until today, just to see how it was done exactly, and if it had any other utility besides waist deep water. It's kinda useless as far as I can tell though.

Why is GLBoom crap and break everything?

Can't wait for Doom 4 Model Extraction tools to lead into centered Doom 4 weapons.

>>3959490
https://my.mixtape.moe/nsyfxd.wad

can anybody recommend me an engine that's similar to chocolate doom but lets you customize the keybindings

>>3959814
You can customize the keybindings in the setup program for Chocolate Doom

>>3959769
Thanks, that looks crazy af.

Also, will call them map packs from now on, cheers.

>>3959698
Does anyone even have a computer that can run NUTS smoothly once the monsters are triggered?

>>3959490
>>3959791
Well, it's safe to say that this was a failure. I may or may not host another one next sunday. Here's the compiled wad, literally just my own submission, the titlepic converted to Doom pallete and an Axel F midi for the title music.
https://my.mixtape.moe/skwgsk.wad

>>3959845
PrBoom+ can actually run it pretty well, (G)ZDoom just chokes like a bitch.

>>3959698
UAC Vinur Prime Research Base is what i have in mind if you want an open field with fair amount of monsters instead of the pic you related: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=49163

There's also Equinox, almost all maps are huge and the amount of monsters is pretty fair, though turn off music this wad have real shitty MIDIs on it: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/equinox

Half of the maps of Whitemare 2 is also very open: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/white2

Fun game, what version am I playing, and on what hardware.

Hard mode: what level.

>>3959932
GBA on a gamcube adaptator?

>>3959932
GBA Thru gameboy player on gamecube

>>3959913
Thank you, these are helpful!

I'm mainly trying to find some sort of replacement for MAP30 while I'm playing oblige map packs. Something that is epic, yet short and challenging, with roughly less than 200 monsters.

I tried making some through oblige itself, but most maps tend to be cramped or have an uninspiring location for the level end switch or some other problem. Now I'm hoping to find a candidate in existing custom map packs.

>>3959932
>The Gamecube can play Doom, just with the GBA Player

That's a clever way of putting it.

>>3959932
gameboy version on the wii

What's going wrong here?
I'm trying to make it so that it looks like the marine there is standing foot-to-foot with the other marine; but the ceiling and floor reflectivities are misbehaving; either showing through map geometry (rendering nothing) or not having the marines show proper.

Here's the titlepic for the 2nd Sunday Speedmapping Session if I do host it. Slightly less shit, but still bad.

>Wipe out a huge clusterfuck of enemies.
>Immediately find an invulnerability sphere I could have used that entire time.

>>3959979
>not feeling like a beast for getting through an encounter the mapper planned on you for being invulnerable for

>>3959664
>liking video games

>finally get around to doing plutonia 2
>get to map11

>>3959683
Played em. Good, fun maps. Map04 leads to Map04 for some reason.

This thing just can't be fucking .50 BMG. Wouldn't that make it quite more powerful shot-per-shot than the shotguns? Or are those of xbox hueg caliber too?

>>3960039
There's a perfectly reasonable and scientific explanation for this. You see, _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________it's a fucking video game_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

>>3960039
There's a perfectly reasonable and scientific explanation for this. You see, ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________it's a fucking video game___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

>>3960048
>>3960052

Good job, gaylord.

>>3960039
Do they ever say it's .50BMG? It doesn't look like it is, and it certainly isn't that powerful.

I'm just assuming it's like 7.62mm NATO or 5.56mm NATO and the demons are just robust as shit.

>>3960062
All what it says it is FMJ rounds, but from what can be seen in the weapon, it indeed seems to be .50BMG.

>>3960052
Lore discussion is fun, shush.

>>3960062
Well they do say it is a .50 caliber weapon. I always assumed it was just a futuristic version of something like .50 Beowulf, which frankly is something I'd like to have with demons around.

>>3959932
Well what a fucking stupid game. Tell us if we're wrong or right or this is a shit.

>>3960080
It really looks way too small to be .50BMG though, that'd be the size of a carrot or something, or a bottle of tabasco.

>>3960083
I was joking

>>3960132
>tabasco bullets

Just finished System Shock 2, and what in the fuck happened because those last two levels are genuinely terrible.

The return to Citadel Station was cool but it lasted all of 5 minutes, and Body of the Many is just atrocious

>>3959932
Is that Portalus?

I just spent two hours getting through the refueling station.

>>3960143
They ran out of time and money.

>that one mod you love that is getting an update "soon"

>soon was ages ago

>still waiting but you know it'll never happen even though its not officially dead

What's her name?

>>3960165
Death Foretold
Final Doomer too, but D4T is crack, and now I'm trying to hold back on playing it so when the new update comes out it'll be even sweeter.

>>3960165
>project msx
just let me die

>>3960143
>what in the fuck happened because those last two levels are genuinely terrible.
Body of the Many is okay imo. The only part I dislike is the final boss, really... Super missed opportunity.

>>3960039
Whoa there Bobby Boy, that ain't retro.

>>3960186
Not yet at least. People are making centered variants of that gun

>>3959060
>there's currently no sane way to have moving-while-shooting sprite monsters.
I've been thinking about that actually, I think it's doable with a trick I thought of that would only work in singleplayer and with sprites. Have all sprite rotations show the monster facing the player, but walking in the direction the actor is actually facing. So if you viewed the monster from its side it would look like its strafing, if you view it from behind it's backpedalling, etc.

>>3960198
>Not yet at least.
See you in 20 years, then.

>>3960198
Speak of the devil

>>3958098
Quasar backported Jaguar Doom to PC with a source port, Calico
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93946-calico-10-beta/
https://github.com/team-eternity/calico-doom

>>3960247
is this compatible with brutal doom?

Jesus christ this is either one of the worst things I've made or one of the best.

https://my.mixtape.moe/whovvm.webm

>>3960165
Oh man, I've got two with these things I want:

JohnnyDoom
*Performance boosts, memory leak fixes, cleaner code, mechsuit, stormtrooper nazis, punch/kick with saw, better titlepic and having the ally radio marine randomly have a different gun.

Project MSX
*BFG replacement

>>3960262
Neat

Is there a doomthread list of total conversions worth playing for Quake 1? I'm trying to get an idea of what all can be done with the engine.

I know there's Quake Rally and that chess mod, but what about stuff that's just singleplayer with new enemies/guns?

>>3960262
>That resurrect sound effect

Sounds... moist.
Its both appropriate and disgusting at the same time. I'd say thats a good result.

>>3960165
DoomRL Arsenal
Regular Day
HDoom
RTC 3057
Total Insanity: It Always Gets Better
the Shadow Mavericks HQ wad

and a few others

Fuck it, I'm gonna buckle up and make this a thing for real. If anyone has any feedback or suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
>>3958098
[/vr/ - SSS]
Every Sunday at 6:00 PM EDT there will be a speedmapping session hosted on /vr/. Games that we will be mapping for include Doom, Doom 2, Heretic and Hexen, and on special occasions we may decide to make maps for certain gameplay mods. Maps are collected by the host and sorted by difficulty, and will be posted here. For certain themes, custom textures and other resources will be provided by the host 10 minutes before the theme is provided.

>>3960320
Could be interesting, I'll add it to the news post next thread.

> play btsx
> fun but hard
> play aaliens
> almost every level is a 30-40 minute slog

i-i guess everything is for doom autists that have play nonstop for 10 years huh

>>3960186
>>3960215
people have been discussing doom 4 at random intervals for the last year or so, bud.

it's fine as long as it doesn't take over the thread subject entirely.

Did that one guy who was making the frog-like pinky die?

>>3960320
Could Quake be in the mix too? I really enjoy mapping for something in 3D for the vertical aspect.

>>3960369
I'm not well antiquated with Quake's level design tools or how levels and the such are stored. Someone who knows more could host their own thing though.

>>3959464
>You're the guy who made the fancy shield effect for MSX right?
Yes.
>I can't wait to see your release because I want to open that shit in SLADE and see how you did it.
It's a 3d sphere that's unwrapped like this (front side right circle, back side left), and a whole bunch of progressively expanding ring textures I drew with GIMPs awful gradient feature.

It's spawned upon impact with something shielded by the base bullet actor all bullets inherit from, comparing it's position with that of the the victim to get pitch and angle data for the shield.

>>3960337
I felt the same way for Ancient Aliens, and I have been playing doom since forever.

It's a bit much after a while.

>>3960227
>>3960198
>>3959786

I appreciate all of you. Keep the dream alive.

does the new doom tool allow for importing too or is it all extracting?

>>3960440
I can appreciate the progress, even though I like off center weapons better myself

>>3960523
>I like off center weapons better
spotted the heretic

>>3960227
looks like it'd be a high tier weapon in roguelike arsenal/legendoom or combined arms. neat.

>>3960526
if centered weapons are so good, why isn't there a centered fist?

>>3960526
but there weren't any non-centered weapons in heretic

>>3960537
But there is.
Speaking of Heretic...

Guys, is this real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iemBglj1Rs

Did the 32x really sound like that, or is that a joke version?

I honestly can't believe someone would seriously make music sound like that. It's just farts. And I can't stop laughing at it.

>>3960557
Yeah, that whole channel is full of joke rips.
It doesn't sound MUCH better than that, but that is an altered version.

>>3960557
It's a joke edit, but not far off the mark.

>>3960573
>>3960561
Okay, I'm assuming this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2oyweqZ7WM

is what it really sounded like? Better, but not much, just like you said.

>>3958097
there are a lot of dead links in the OP

fix your shit niggers

>>3960617
Elaborate.

>>3960320
>6:00 PM EDT
Seems kinda late for some who doesn't live in USA.

>>3960502
Just exporting. Might change in the future, but don't hold your breath.

>>3960647
Where did you get that pics? Are they yours, or are they being posted somewhere?

>>3960661
https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1519102&page=31

>>3960665
kinsie a best

>>3960665
Thanks.
Man, I'd love to get Doom 4's weapons and enemies in Serious Sam. Whether it be just be porting over one of the best weapons of all time, the Gauss Cannon, or giving us small new campaigns with a Doom-style, I'm looking forward to the possibilities.

>Make a trap with a floor that lowers into 3d swimmable lava
>It doesn't work in Zandronum.
>Zandronum does not support multiple tags on one sector.
That took way too long to figure out.

In other words, I finally convinced myself to try mapping for doom.

https://my.mixtape.moe/hrwxkp.webm

Megasphere's done, give or take a couple tweaks on the sprites. Now the only item left is the Berserk.
I can already see a couple ways this can open up avenues for crafty players. I'd imagine picking up one Megasphere, then picking up another and running off into battle, letting the souls follow you. Then you can pick them up a bit at a time to stay topped off, rather than absorbing them all at once.

>>3960750

Welcome to mapping, mate. It's gonna be really rough. But it's also gonna be worth it.

Are there any mods that portray The Titan battle mentioned in Doom 4? Part of me thinks it was referencing Doom 2's Icon of Sin fight but that's unlikely considering the IoS was named as a seperate entity later in the game.

>>3960762
neat, what mods did you make prior to this one ?

>Russian Overkill
>that one gun that alt fires a hologram of an Imp in a bikini and starts playing dance music
I love it.

>>3960770
Doom's sprite system doesn't handle massive monsters all that good. Even the Spiderdemon is pushing it. And seeing as The Titan is literally level-sized, it's a no go.

>>3960750
>Zandronum does not support multiple tags on one sector.
I didn't know *any* port supported that.

>>3960783
You can make him a model and/or use Half-life like skyboxes to place him in.

There is a game called Intrusion 2 and the final boss there literally picks the level apart while you're still inside. I wonder if you can emulate something like that in Doom.

Also one can use LWM's example of multi-sprite enemy.

>>3960786
Models are an option, but they have their own limitations that need to be worked around, like wonky lighting, a Quake 1-style lack of animation smoothing, and the simple truth that making such a huge monster would require the kind of 3D art and animation knowledge that the Doom community is sadly sorely lacking.

>>3960786
Honestly you'd be better off segmenting different parts of a level to be going through different phases rather than one straight up battle.

>>3960786
BTW the fight Im talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfp_PI97ujc


>>3960794
I think you can kinda emulate that via segmented level altering and excessive skybox messing.

>>3960762
>https://my.mixtape.moe/hrwxkp.webm
what is this mod going to be exactly?
quasi old-timey, judging by the lever action shotgun

>>3960883
i think it's literally "australian fights hell"

>>3960890
He's a cowboy though.

>>3960890
better yell 'cunt' on many an occasion

>>3960106
>>3959938
>>3959937
>>3959941
>>3959942
>>3960162

Sorry, went to bed after posting that. It's indeed the GBA version on the NGC extension. It's quite surprising how complete the add-on is really, with settings for sharpness, border styles and such. The game itself is a shit port though, amazing what can be done on a GBA but it's pretty bad in general.

Since I've only gotten this game so far I can't really say how well it holds up for other games, but I'm looking around for some at any rate.

>>3960424
>It's a 3d sphere that's unwrapped like this (front side right circle, back side left), and a whole bunch of progressively expanding ring textures I drew with GIMPs awful gradient feature.

Space magic

>>3960770
There are mods where you go inside the Icon of Sin and have the traditional IoS battle internally.

Whitemare 2 also tried a colossal titan battle with Map 20 Gloominarch's Realm but that might as well be a troll map with all of it's design choices.

>>3960770
Hell on Earth Starter Pack and the "Real Icon of Sin" battle.

>>3960590
Yes, this is the actual 32X song. Believe it or not this is the best song in that version of the game.

The "farts and zippers" might sound silly, but they're miles better than the ear-splitting shrieking noises in the other tracks.

>>3960212
That isn't the real issue though, the problem are the firing frames. I rendered a variant of each walking frame with and without muzzle flash effects, but combining an 8 frame(3 tics each) walk animation with 1 tic variant firing frames in a system where sprites can not be changed without state jumps is an absolute nightmare. Until a zscript feature that force-selects a sprite becomes available (there isn't one right?) I'm not even going to try.

>>3960557

id wasn't Konami to master that Yamaha

and this is because the Genesis Sound Chip was OP

>>3958139
DoomED is better. DEU is just because all of you guys are afraid to use Windows.

>>3960023
Oh dang I made a dumb mistake while updating mapinfo so the progression was fucked on ZDoom based ports. It's fixed now so you can reach map05 without warping.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jccsa7jf1amj09e/TheDevilsGrip_v_2_1.zip?dl=0

I'm pretty handy with DECORATE, but I'm not sure how to do this:

Give the player an item that damages them?

Which action function would I use for an item to damage the player? is that even possible?

>>3960975
A_DamageSelf?

>>3960980
yep that works. Thanks! I'm tweaking my radiation for a submission to realm667

>>3959683
Demos, recorded in GLBoom+2514, complevel 9: puu dot sh slash vC3qs slash 699839aa02 (dot) zip
E4M2 map really kept me in my toes until I found some secrets. Cyberdemon was very easy to cheese out.
Fucked up texture alignment on majority of stairs is still here, sadly.
And probably the fake 3D bridge in last map doesn't work as intended as I managed to fall through it somehow.

>>3959683
I've never recorded a demo or used PRBoom+ before (I've only used G/ZDoom for single player), so this is new for me. Here's your first map recorded in the latest PRB+, mostly blind. If it's useful, I'll record the rest and zip them together.

https://anonfiles.cc/file/db57178dfeac71b28c410eb8fcb316ec

>>3960910
Nothing compared to the unholy things revae is doing to the software renderer.

>>3960908
Neat. I had the Doom 2 port, and it seemed okay for the most part. Green blood, but other than that.

>>3960262
Sounds like Freedoom's DSSLOP reversed and with extra stuff added

>>3961285

Well this one's missing at least half of the textures, there's a lot of stuff in the levels missing since the GBA can't cope, and the music's constantly skipping through the tracks. I'm unsure if it's the actual interpreter to blame for the latter. If that Doom II port is better I'll look around for it, need to get me some list of essential GBA games anyway.

>>3961265
>Nothing compared to the unholy things revae is doing to the software renderer.
I'm not doing anything too crazy. Just little vanilla tricks and spriting/texturing... Nothing that would impress the old heads in the community.

>>3961285
>>3961296
Doom 1 uses a rough port of the Doom 1 engine with the Jaguar IWAD.

Doom 2 uses the GBA-centric Southpaw engine (Duke Nukem Advance)

Spritified these guys from Prey if anyone wants them. They won't be in the mod.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/download.php?file_id=12512529334831154838&t=1251252933483115483887240

>>3961297
It all looks extremely impressive to me at least. The textures, palette, fancy linedef use combined makes it look way more realistic than anything I've seen the vanilla executable do.

>>3961304

Oh wow you're kidding me? I was just reading up on the Jaguar because it's still a fascinating machine and I really want one. Didn't expect this, thanks for that bombshell anon. Pretty amazing stuff.

>>3960949
Doesn't sound that bad to me, just have each walking frame's A_Chase go to a different 0 tic state with the frame you want and set a user variable to represent what the next frame is (what frame to jump to when the firing is done), then jump to the real missile state from there, and use "####" "#".. ah fuck it I'll make an example for you in pastebin.
SPCM is the movement sprites and SPCF is the firing sprites.
https://pastebin.com/rxgYdK3E
This was more complicated than I thought it would be due to not being able to state jump with an expression. If someone knows a cleaner way to do this, please tell.

Damn, some of the DoomKrakken random monsters are pretty ridiculous. Nothing like meeting one of the revenant replacements that has the axe and shield, who are super aggressive and can kill you in seconds the moment they see you when i'm only at The Crusher on Doom 2.

>>3961367
Apparently it was originally made for Guncaster, so...

>>3961365
Wow, thanks man. Looks like a much cleaner solution than mine. It'll still be tricky to make the guy burst-fire without interrupting the walk cycle, but more manageable than with the mess I'd made.

>>3961015
Any reason to use GLBoom over PRBoom+ ?

>want to buy a new powerful PC
>realize I'll probably just play doom and baldurs gate

Nevermind I guess, what should I play next? Just finished
Scythe
Scythe 2
going down
ancient aliens
BTSX 1

>>3961421
If you're gonna run mods for Doom, you will actually need a beefy computer. Guncaster is horribly taxing due to its particle effects, while some mods chug to a crawl with bigger monster counts.

>>3961421
Quake
Quake II

>>3961429
I'm probably going to get in alot of trouble, but I don't really like quake. you're fighting 3-4 enemies at a time. I like going down where you're running around an arena fighting 100's of enemies and making them infight

>>3961421
BTSX2
Speed of Doom
Zpack to see what it looks like when everything goes wrong

>>3961435
>I'm probably going to get in alot of trouble, but I don't really like quake
no it's okay, it's a common opinion here
i know fighting enemies that can actually kill you easily and aren't defeated by running around a room in circles at mach 5 until they all kill each other is difficult

>>3961438
Really? I find quake far too easy compared to doom.

>>3961398
>burst-fire without interrupting the walk cycle
Uh, well.. that's a lot more complicated yeah, wouldn't know how to do that one.
Also I just realised the shooting frame is 1 tic while the walking frames are 3 tics, oops. Thankfully fixable if you do this in the MissileFire state, I think:

"####" "#" 1 A_CustomMissile("rifleshot")
SPCM "#" 2

>>3961421
Buy a PC that can run Total Chaos at 60.

Bet it will be able to run anything else modern at 60 too.

>>3961443(me)
Hell just skip "####" altogether.

SPCF "#" 1 A_CustomMissile("rifleshot")
SPCM "#" 2

>>3961448
im not going to buy a PC for novelty mods that i'll get bored of in 10 minutes

I beat Doom on Ultra-Violence playing on a laptop, with keyboard controls only, while pooping.

Ask me anything.

>>3961453
well yeah id hope you'd be able to. Doom 1 has like max 3 low tier enemies on the screen at any given time.

>>3961451
Well, running all the visually impressive mods that's gonna come out in the following years (damn, even Winter's Fury does not go above 120 FPS on my rig, and I run Arkham Knight at 60) you actually need a good rig. At least i5 and GeForce 660

Also if the current trend continues (GZDoom 3 does not run on P3 anymore) you need to upgrade your toaster anyways.

>>3961457
>toaster
It's hardly a toaster, it's close. But it's still not a toaster

r9 280x, fx 8350.....8gbram running at 665Mhz....honestly I think the ram is the only thing holding my PC back

>>3961443
>Uh, well.. that's a lot more complicated yeah, wouldn't know how to do that one.
It's what made me give up for a while. I *think* I can do it with your stuff as a base though. Or do it the dirty way by turning the actor invisible and spawning 1-tic firing frame actors on top of it when it fires :^)

>>3961454
Gee, I don't know.
3d room in the game throws 8 mobs at you. Next one has 5.

E1M1 starts with 11 mobs in a room and then branches to 2 paths with 17 and 21 mobs.

Relatively low enemy count in Doom 1 is a misconception - levels are smaller than Doom 2, but monster density is actually compareable.

>>3959082
hud scaling is weird, the hud im using now used to scale just fine with old settings, but now is stuck on this size no matter what i do through console or new scaling settings.

>>3961472
there are different cvars now

>>3959595
press shift to sprint

>>3958139
talking about RAGE and the recent doom4 ripping tools, was there ever anything like that for rage?

>>3960647
thats a seriously good mod

hows the progress on bloodoom/doomborne?

Why is there no mod randomly adding monsters to the vanilla rooster from realm667 and whatever other resource where you can CHOSE WHICH REPLACEMENTS TO ENABLE at a time. So many monster randomizes either are unbalanced or contain too much this would fix it all since one could just enable whatever they liked and fitted the play style or mapset adding some spice to the game without making it ridiculous.

If I had enough free time to learn how to make one I would do it myself, I just find it so odd its not a thing already it would be so great.

>>3961407
Well, health bars above monsters, which are OpenGL only. That and the software I've had to use to record PrBoom+, Taksi, couldn't record that in fullscreen with software renderer. They're identical otherwise.

>>3961509
Because no one who knows how to do it is interested in doing something like that

>>3958618
is there some cvar for pistol start or whatever starting loadout of the player actor?

>>3961525
I feel like monster replacements in general have a bad rep, mainly cause of how low quality most of the ones available are.

Shame since the stuff that's actually good like Nazis! is very fun
.

does anyone know where I can find the download for the zandronum project msx port? the downloads on the zandronum forum dont seem to work

>>3960883

Quasi-old-timey, yeah.
It's 90% a test bed for me to learn how2ZScript and anonymous functions, with a hodgepodge assembly of weapons. I really want to learn ZScript, but other programmers haven't exactly been helpful or encouraging about it, so I've decided to take matters into my own hands and Just Do It.
I started up a slew of weapons, and once I got to the rocket launcher replacement I'd noticed "hey, these weapons would be pretty good for a sort of low-tech-themed weaponset". So I decided to finish up the set with that theme in mind.

It's part gunslinger, part ruins explorer; some magic artifacts with hellpowers, low-tech guns a gunslinger would use, and a couple antiquated pieces like boomerangs, bows, and whips. If you're familiar with the "weird west", or Deadlands, that's the general aesthetic.
I don't really have a name for it, yet. A friend was suggesting Sunset Drifter, which is neat if not slightly nonsensical.

>>3960080
>>3960062
>>3960132
>>3960137

Probably something like .50 Beowulf, the big pistol robocop used in the 2014 was chambered for it.

Also there's the .50 alaskan which is kinda inbetween a .308 and .50bmg.

Lots of mass with abit less velocity than a full blooded .50 and let me tell you son, its still going to pack alot of penetration. It dont have as much range and it does a shade less damage but its more potent than an assault rifle round.

> as a larger bullet its also a prime candidate for explosive tipped rounds, such as the magnum pistol in halo, who the fuck cares how fast its going if its packing explosive fragmenting projectiles.

>>3961621
Well it's not that there aren't various .50 caliber rounds, it's just that the cartridges in the belt on the Doom 4 machinegun doesn't look even close to being 12.7mm in diameter.

>>3961605
nvm I got it. the charged fists dont seem to work. that's gay

>>3961632
the ammo for the venom gun in RTCW didnt exactly strike me as being .50 caliber either, even though it says its 7.92mm sabot rounds in a .50 case. They caused the -same- damage as the MP38 too.

Just don't seem like the best option for a belt fed gun that small and the (blue) ammo boxes didn't look big enough for it either. How much could you carry... like 1000 rounds?

Some descriptions like this doom4 machinegun thing, like the assault rifle in halo being 7.62mm (x39 russian, ill buy that but not x51)... I think they do that just to make it sound impressive when they actually have no idea what they're talking about.

Compared to doomguy's stature a .50bmg machinegun would just be too big and its not drawn that way. The dude isnt 8 feet tall, he's only 6 something.

The triple barrel machineguns in Avatar movie were .50cal, and they were huge weapons.

I know not retro, but Immortal Redneck is fun.
big focus on player mobility and positioning (similar to Tower of guns and Doom 4)

>>3961606
i'm down for a lighter deadwatch weaponset

>>3961648
A .50 bmg machinegun could be man-portable if you disregard the ammo weight. Mr. Miculek here fires his semi auto .50 as fast as it can cycle, so making it select fire would be relatively trivial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm85kM1K3Hg

>>3961723
Maintaining control of that is another issue, you could probably do it, but it would be an even heavier gun.

Also with a brake like that, it would be even more uncomfortable to fire, especially full auto.

>>3961757
n e a t

>>3961757

>>3961757
>Even the MP monsters were added

By the way, how long until they get proper sprites?

>>3961757
>MP monsters
consider me hype
hope the power up will be in single player too

>>3961761
Oh I'm not say it's a good idea, only that it's physically possible. With powered armor it's more than possible. But again, weight and bulk of ammo makes it stupid.

>>3961757
am i the only one who doesnt understand the hype behind this?

it seems way overdone, with all the gizmos and gimmicks and big arsenal of weapons that make it feel like something stuck between brutal doom and russian overkill

and these hands are just ugly, they don't look like handdrawn sprites, more like they were cut from screenshots of the real game

also filtering...

>>3961834
The video does have some bad video settings, I have to admit.
I'm sure it'll look better when we get our hands on it and don't use filters and bright settings.

>>3961531
No. You'll need a wad to do that.
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/74385-pistol-start-mod-for-zdoom/

or

https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/67715-zdoom-pistol-start-options/

There was someone working on a more robust pistol start wad, but I don't know if he ever finished.

I'm not too sure I like DTWIDD. The maps feel a bit off and the secret areas are too numerous and large. I found a rocket launcher on the third level and that feels like overkill at this stage, even on UV.

>>3961880
yea i tried that stuff but it doesnt work with any mod that changes weapon actor's names

FINALLY after at least 100 scraped levels I finished my Heretic level. It's nothing really special and is very short. If you have a chance check it out and give me shit over how bad it is. I also couldn't think of a name, but it's not a big deal I guess.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/klt6dqul5rq37y7/Heretic_E1M1.zip

>>3961885
Welp, idclev is the best I can recommend.

>>3961884
I'm also using Jonny's Jukebox and the randomizer add on always seems to find a way to play the most annoying track possible. There's a time and a place for a giant banjo solo but being surrounded by hellspawn isn't it.

>>3961887

Congratulations, mate.
I'll check it out once I get home.

>>3961834
I'm slightly disappointed because I thought it was doom 4 modding at first but it's just that dumb 4 dumb mod

I got bored at work, so I've decided to give up WorldCraft 3.1 for Trenchbroom, move to the modern age and all that. Are the compilers on Quaddicted the best available map compilers for Quake, or should I find some somewhere else? I still have my original ones from like '98 or so, but surely someone's released something better since then?

So is it just me or is Quake much shorter than both classic Doom games? I beat Quake in around four hours but both the original and sequel Dooms took about ten. This is going by Steam hours. Relax, I'm still using source ports.

>>3959683
Played the first two maps since i had a little free time
Really enjoyed them, the visuals are very nice for my taste with nicely paired textures and the maps feel memorable layout wise. The only texture misalignment I noticed was on the side of the stairs in the outside level of map 1.

On UV pistol start difficulty is good for early maps, not hard but you can still die. Map 2 I feel is overloaded with ammo though, I didnt even use the plasma gun from the secret and continued rather liberally using RL but still finished with 15. A few of the medkits could also be replaced with stimpacks and maybe distributed a bit more evenly across the level, often I was at either 100% or very low % health rarely in between. The baron in the area with the lift going down after the yellow key could also be moved a little further away from the entrance to the lift so he doesnt jump in and block the player in it straight away.

Also a tiny suggestion regarding the monster placement, you could add some monsters to come into the final room maybe cacos as the player crosses the bridge and also make the monsters on these columns teleport in as you cross said bridge. I think it would be a cool dynamic to push the player a bit forward and put him in a tight spot at the end. As is you just kill the mobs on the columns without problem at an angle before crossing.

>gifty will never finish the 64 plasma gun and BFG for smooth doom

>>3960227
that hand is dangerously close to the barrel end

So what's this "Sgt. Mark" guy I keep hearing about?

Oh, and I am I seeing things or did ZDoom just lose its primary dev?

>>3961973
yeah it's easier too a significant casualization

>>3962005
Doom's own YandereDev

>>3962007

I don't get it. :/

>>3962005
Sgt. Mark is the creator of Brutal Doom.
He's got a reputation for not crediting people properly when he uses their resources, some real lazy and shoddy work with both graphics and code alike, some random racist commentary in his code because he thought it was chuckleworthy, and has some excessive fascination with gore to the point of experimenting with photos of real gore turned into optional sprites for BD at one point before the community got so squicked out that he relented.

Also he complained that Doom 4 was ripping him off without credit.

>>3962020

Oh. OK. Thanks.

Not missing anything with Brutal Doom then, right?

>>3962005
he made brutal doom, people here on 4chan hate him they say that he's an autist and spazz, i've played with him a bunch of times on z& and gave him some criticism on brutal doom 64 and he was pretty graceful and thankful. It's probably just the 4chan babies wanting to hate successful people usual.

>>3962029
it's okay, but kinda meh. a lot of mods stemmed off of Brutal Doom as a basis, like Project Brutality (which is a bit of a clusterfuck).

it's a neat gameplay enhancer, but at this point it's just sort of "there"

>>3962035
>>3962029
honestly dont listen to these guys, i've met the guy and he's NOTHING like 4chan makes him out to be. I was really confused when I met him because he turned out to be really chill. And brutal doom is actually decent for an hour or so. Not much more than that tho.

>>3962029
oops meant dont listen to this guy >>3962020

>>3962029
I used to like BD but before i've heard of any other mod, there are plenty of better mods out there, whether or not you even care of the Mark related drama

>>3961969
Also, I think this thing is ok so far, I don't know how to auto-center textures though. Guess it'll just take some getting used to.

>>3962049
Really? I played hundreds of mods before i finally made myself play brutal doom. and shortly realized it is the best mod by miles. I think you fell for 4chan contrarianism.

>>3962059
The mod itself is centered around a gimmick of being edgy and more difficult to the point its concept becomes a problem because it makes balance less of a priority.
Not only that but the coding itself even had problems, which is part of why Mark has a Patreon.

>>3962068
>The mod itself is centered around a gimmick of being edgy
Sounds alot like a game i know of that came out in 1993.
You're going to need a different criticism

>>3962046
don't listen to this guy, either

>>3962043
>>3962035

come on

the fact that he's saying "4chan contrarianism" and "4chan babies wanting to hate successful people" should make it obvious

>>3962059
>best mod by miles
I'm not one to shit on BD and I don't really have anything against Sgt Mark, but this is just not true.

>>3962076
I don't think animations of fatalities and reloading are part of Doom's core gameplay.
What the mod tries to do is push Doom's edgyness to a higher leve to the point there's even Doomguy saying "fuck yourself" and doing a middle finger.
>>3962082
People defending Mark and BD are the video game version of "Islam is a religion of peace, you're just an islamaphobe"

>>3960171
>>>3960165
>Death Foretold
>Final Doomer too, but D4T is crack, and now I'm trying to hold back on playing it so when the new update comes out it'll be even sweeter.
The dude behind the mod just released a trailer and release date for version 2.0 senpai.

>>3962090
I know, I posted that before it came out, and I was the guy who posted the trailer here.

So this will probably sound like a stupid question, but when Quake was new, how could people (other than the devs ofc) tell that it was true 3D rather than Doom's 2D planes that were angled to look like 3D? I'm wondering if there were some people back then that legit thought Quake was somehow "fake" 3D.

fucking nazi mods taking down posts discussing ON TOPIC fucking mods and mod authors. What is the banter not "meaningful discussion" ?? Well sorry but 4chan is literally the joke of the internet there's no such thing as meaningful discussion here.

This place is a god damn joke

>>3962096
that escalated quickly

>>3962096

Played your hand a little too early there, friend.

>>3962096
the mods literally just dont like Sgt. mark, so they deem anything pro sgt. mark as trolling.

The same shit that SJW's do.

>>3962096

>>3962104
>>3962096
>almost exactly one minute apart
Geeze, you could at least not be so blatantly obvious.

>Ask legit question for first time ever in /vr/ general
>every single post gets annihilated

'kay, sorry for intruding upon your secret club guys. I'll show myself out.

Shivers is a fucking madman.

>>3962116
There should be more mods/games in general with unrealistic and funny reload animations.

>>3961335
GZDoom supports 16 sided sprites i believe. Since it's already a model rip, couldnt you do that? or would it look out of place?

>>3962121
The OMNILOAD

>>3962095
Well, Quake made use of legitimate 3d architecture. It was obvious in the first level already. Also, actual 3d models instead of sprites.

Here's a playthrough of e1m1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok-ZrDhJ5BM

The 3D is very much apparent

>>3962135
Fair enough, but again, I've always wondered if someone saw Quake when it was new and somehow thought "Nah bro, they just upped their 2D plane tech lmao this isn't real 3D." If that makes sense, anyway.

>>3962124
Yeah, it'd be extremely easy to do since the batch render plugin is so doom-friendly. I think it'd look fine, but the chase function would have to be changed to turn 45 degrees instead of 90. Which isn't hard in zscript.

>>3962153
Ofc, I'm only saying this cus when Quake came out, 3D graphics were basically new at the time so I wonder if there were people out there who doubted the fact that Quake was actually 3D.

>>3962135
those colors, actual blue sky

>>3961757
literally coming out on my birthday

>>3962170
it was pretty obvious the character models were 3d

some of the graphical performance was reduced in quality as a result, but the increased dynamic nature (plus being able to aim up and down, though it was cumbersome) was well worth it

as a fanboy back in the 90s I didnt pick up Quake for a long time, I heard about it but didnt know what it was, and many people kept on marching playing doom and making doom wads (its all you'd find on BBS services and free software disks/game sections).

Duke3D was bigger than Quake from what I could tell - and what made it better was multiplayer was available for it on Kali/Ten just like it was for warcraft 2

however I caught the quake bug when at a local tech demonstration I got the chance to play Quake 2 (not just normal sp, but a multiplayer match), that was '97 I think.

I was more into the sci-fi aspect so Q2 was really cool for me. Didnt have a good enough computer to play either one though for several years.

Ended up playing alot of Xcom/Xcom2, Doom, and Warcraft in my afternoons when school was over.

>>3962153
>>3962095
People back then probably thought the opposite - that Doom already was full 3D, but Quake was even better 3D.

Is the shotgun in Lithum supposed to have infinite ammo?

>>3961969
Use tyrutils, it's the best compiler nowadays.

>>3962192
I was 8 back in '96 and was a big fan of Doom already.
However I remember that my first mmory of playing it is of a level I could not find anywhere later. It started off with player on a wooden bridge over water, but the door on the opposite side was barred so you had to swim into the underwater section. Underwater there was a thin corridor just enough for you to move through, and whne you emerge, you are greeted by the sight of yellow armor and a grunt.

I remember that because that grunt was the first Quake enemy I saw and it scared the shit out of me, so I put the game down and resumed playing Doom.

I completely forgot about quake for about a year, playing Duke and waiting for Unreal instead, and only came back to it in '98 when Quake 2 was released - I could not find that level.

>>3962246
Yes but it needs reloads if you get the gauss upgrade, which last I checked was completely useless as an upgrade

You will also have infinite rifle ammo and infinite rifle grenades

>>3961969
>>3962247
Forgot to post the link:
http://ericwa.github.io/tyrutils-ericw/

>>3960165
GMOTA
He's probably in this thread right now.

>>3962236
That's actually an interesting point there.

Did Space Pirate ever update or...

>>3962265
>>3962236
>>3962095

Wolfenstein was marketed as 3D, hence Wolfenstein 3D.
Doom was also 3D.
Quake is true 3D.

2D was flat, 3D was not-flat. It was that simple.

>>3962283
Well, I judge by reaction of my own and my friend and our families back then (games were a novelty, everyone played them). Everyone caught on that Wolf3D wasn't really 3D, but Doom was just enouhg to fool us.

Also I remember liking Duke 3D more than Quake and thinking it was more realistic looking. Fact that it run better probably helped.

>>3962268
It's incredibly dead Jim

Marty said so himself and he's doing movie stuff now

>>3962287
>but Doom was just enouhg to fool us.
there's not much to fool
doom is 3d

i know some internet celebrities like to say to the contrary, but it really is 3d, even carmack and romero have confirmed it

>>3962290
Is there any reason why people who drop things altogether but don't disappear or die don't put everything they did online for someone else to continue just in case?

>>3962313
the reason is twofold

1, you don't want to let it go. by having it there, hopefully that can serve as a motivation to come back and continue it, because if it just keeps dangling there it'll be a constant reminder to you.
2, the correct assumption that people generally want to work on their own ideas rather than pick up someone else's idea
3, historical precedence. people picking up other people's works have rarely turned out well. see the innumerable terrible add-ons for different mods, or the ghouls vs humans continuations, or the going-nowhere attempts at picking up dreadnought which always baffled me since there's nothing really much to continue on from dreadnought, and how releasing all of the resources for demon eclipse has done nothing for it.

>>3962252
From the sound of it thats possibly the secret map for episode 2. Either that or the second map in episode 1.

>>3962287
>>3962298
By technicality it is 3D because despite the level archetecture being limited to a 2D wireframe, each level incorporates varying levels of height. Height is another axis of movement, therefore its 3D.

Doom is 3D, but then again Rise of the Triad is by the same definition. Each one has their own flaws and limitations when it comes to 3D but they are both 3D.

> flame shooters are tossing fireballs back and forth, I bounce on the jump pad and move over them, im executing a maneuver that requires a third axis of movement.

>>3962320
Well, I somehow STARTED from that level

>>3961015
>>3961116
>>3961983
Thanks guys, I'll try to take all this into account in the next update.

I'd post the wad on Doomworld too but the site isn't letting me register, anyone know what's up with that?

>>3962326
It was probably a savegame, you may have played it on someone else's computer or got a pirated copy that had the savegame already on there

None of the first levels of any of the 4 episodes have ogres in them (slipgate complexes only have human enemies and dogs)

Though who knows it may be possible that you got a version that had maps installed, usually those take extra work and know-how (back then) to be able to reach them though.