/vr/ - Retro Games

I just finished an Eye of the Beholder runthrough. I like to use the default NPCs as my final group with an editor that fixed Beohram as a Paladin and Ileria as female.

Now the big question is which of those four do I take into EoB2?

>>3908920
This reminds me of a game I used to try to play a lot when I was a kid.

I think in that game the first area was like a room with portraits on the wall or statues, and you would pick your character (characters?) from them.

One of them I'm totally sure was a lizardman warrior type guy, there was also a human warrior, and I think an elf, a dwarf, and like other classes (Magician? Archer?)

maybe the elf was the archer

it was so long ago I can barely remember

>>3909292
>lizardman
Sounds like a wizardry.

>>3909292
Dungeon Master has "Hissssa Lizar Of Makan"
http://dmweb.free.fr/?q=node/199

I've played Baldur's Gate, but if I wanted to get into older D&D games, what would be a good starting point? Pool of Radiance? I've never mapped out anything by hand before and that's kind of intimidating.

>>3909405
it was totally dungeon master

thanks

>>3908920
kill the filthy knife ears

I should have putted baldur's gate into the op-post, it seems regular crowd can not find the thread now.

>>3909537
No shit? what did you expect? these are not well rounded people who can have a range of knowledge and interests on 4chan.

>>3909537
you should put a list of games in the OP in addition to what's already there so the retard mobile posters can find it.

>>3909487
>get rid of the Cleric and the Mage
Yeah, because if there's one thing that you don't need in a D&D game, it's magic.

>>3909537
I found it. Are they retarded?

Okay, I've killed Sendai, but there's no talking about children or marriage with Imoen. Bug or wrong description from the forum?

>>3909696
she knows you're fat irl

>>3909462
Get graph paper. Make sure you orient your maps.
It's a good time.

>>3909698
I'm not THAT fat.
She talked about both themes when I killed Abazigal

I'm burned out on BG and its sequel and never played another D&D crpg, what do?

>>3909935
Wait, I lied. I also played IWD and PS:T. Dunno why these games slipped my memory.

>>3909935
Marcie's kinda cute ngl

Will somebody please do a remake of all the Gold Box games? Doesn't have to be fancy, just upgrade the graphics a little and modernize the interface. Kickstart that shit, I'll pay.

>>3909957
Seconded; that'd be the tits.

>>3909957
Be careful what you wish for or the remakes might turn out to be as shitty as Knights of the Chalice.

>>3910087
I thought KotC was considered good or is that typical codexian contrarianism

>>3910112
Non enough people even know what it is for it to be contrarianism.

>>3910112
>trusting any remakes after what happened to baldur's gate

>>3909935
Time for nwn and its modules.

>>3910661
There's nothing wrong with EE, at least 1.3

What is the best use for heart of the damned and bowstring of Gond?
Darkfire bow and short sword of mask?

>>3910878
Mmhmm.

>>3910971
Those poor evil-aligned Orc Blackguards and Drow Elf Clerics of evil deities. Why can't humanity be more tolerant and less bigoted toward monsters of color?

used goods

>>3911025
delet this

>>3911025
Is there a way to convince her about having kids? It seems that discussion is pointless, you either break with her or agree on her terms.

>>3910112
It's only considered good by people who don't understand the inherent flaws of the system it uses. For what it's worth, it IS a better game than ToEE or IWD2. Having actual encounter design as opposed to ToEE's 'room full of shitter bugbears' encounter design or IWD2's 'mobs with enough HP to tank 3 barbarians for several rounds' encounter design carries it a whole lot further before it sputters out in the lategame under the weight of its problems.

>>3910971
..What the fuck?

>>3911140
T A M E D
A
M
E
D

What could cause this dramatic shift in personalty from Viconia? Is she in love with Dorn? Nevermind, it's just Beamdog hiring retarded hacks with an activist background, who can't even write for shit.

>>3911025
annoying whining bitch, hated her

>>3908891
Started trying to play this a while back on Sega CD. I feel like I need the Sega Mega Mouse though, ordered one but it got stolen in the mail and I haven't gotten back to it.

I like how you can move table and things around.

>>3910971
Is this a change to the regular game or? I'm a new player and just started using the EE.

>>3911315
there's no dorn in the original game

>>3911257
Did we play the same game?

>>3909957
Beamdog's twitter said they got "special stuff" planned for the future

So you may have what you want, too bad is from Beamdog.

>>3911252
Play SoD if you want to rage over how Beamdog "reinterprets" the original companions.

If I could get updates for BG: DA I&II that would make them not be so resource/CPU-intensive, that'd be nice.

I'm in the mood for some good 'ol DND, what should I play anons? EOB, or Pool of Radiance? I only played EOB and I got to like floor 8 but I ended up losing my save since my hard drive died.Also, decide my party please, should make for a interesting run to see what you guys pick desu

>>3911601
what's the list

>>3911601
Party compilation is always the same. You have four slots so a Warrior, Priest, Mage and Rogue. Just go with the classics. Dwarf Fighter, Elf Wizard, Halfling Thief and Human Cleric.

>>3911601
4 Human Fighters.

>>3912308
There is no reason to get a pure thief.
In the EOB series are better party would be
>Human Fighter
>Dwarf Fighter
>Human Cleric
>Multiclassed Elf Magic-User/Thief
Don't ever hire an NPC before EOB3 as they steal EXP. In EOB3 itself the best NPCs are the Ranger and Paladin both with Halberds as they can attack from the backrow there (but not in the earlier EOB games).

Now in Pool of Radiance the best party would be
>4 Half-Elf Fighter/Cleric
>2 Half-Elf Fighter/Mage
Create a new party in Curse of the Azure Bonds rather than exporting. The extra save throws from the Paladin class are important in the later games but you can't create Paladins in Pool of Radiance.

>>3910112
>I thought KotC was considered good or is that typical codexian contrarianism
Codex actually likes KotC on average.

Personally, I didn't like it. Its main weakness is probably that its creator did not really understand 3rd edition's flaws and unlike Temple of Elemental Evil, it goes all the way to the level cap, which means the caster/martial gap is in full effect.

Also, due to implementation, it loses a lot of 3E's strengths which is the bonkers multi-classing making the character development boring - most feats are rather negligible, except for the broken item crafting ones which trivializes its attempts at resource management - KoTC is pretty sadistic and loves doing things like trapping you in dungeons away from resting areas.

Not sure why it's even brought up, seeing as how it's not even a "spiritual remake" of the Gold Box games (all dungeon crawling is in an Ultima-like viewpoint instead of First Person)

>>3912930
I hope you don't mean that nauseating oblique perspective

I don't understand, what's the restriction for grandmastery in bg2? I put 4 pips in maces, dualed into cleric and after reactivating fighter's abilities can't put it in maces anymore.

>>3913226
>I don't understand, what's the restriction for grandmastery in bg2? I put 4 pips in maces, dualed into cleric and after reactivating fighter's abilities can't put it in maces anymore.
You won't be able to get 5 pips if you dual to cleric, you have to do it while you're a fighter. You also won't get those pips back until you reach the same amount of experience you had as a fighter while you're a cleric, so after getting like 1.25 million exp, your cleric will suddenly just get all your fighter THAC0, attacks per round, and weapon proficiency.

Anyway, if you're going to start as a fighter and dual to anything, make sure you start with a kit like Berserker or Kensai and make it to at least level 13 to get the full benefits.

The standard rule is that if you're going to dual to Thief, start as the Kensai, if you're gonna dual to pretty much anything else, start as Berserker instead.

>>3913273
I remember that Anomen reached grandmastery somehow.

Grandmastery is not worth it in BG2 anyway. The benefits of 5 vs 2 pips is marginal.

>>3913287
In EE there's extra 1/2 attack for GM.

>>3913287
that's not really how it works on paper though so I usually correct it with mods

they probably just did it to give you a reason to ever use rangers

though giving them more druid spells would have been a lot better

>>3913226
Ok, I cheated some XP just to see a progress of the character. At 12lvl of cleric(900k XP) I was able to put the final pip for GM.

>>3913302
I guess I learned something new too.

>>3913287
that's why you use Tweaks to make GM great again, and make it available to fighter multiclass.

>>3913356
>and make it available to fighter multiclass
Which already has fighter's HLA. Why bother with dual class then?

>>3912930
Why is 3rd edition bad?

Actually, can you give us a quick rundown of all the different editions of DnD from the beginning and tell us what defines each one, how their mechanics affect the gaming experience, which ones are worth playing, and why the others suck or are obselete?

Damn, that last fight in black pits 2 is bullshit.

holy fucking shit kotor2 is so good

>>3913364
exactly, why bother. dual class was a mistake.

Dead thread but still great for adventuring.
In fact, every thread is a great thread for adventuring.

>>3913681
I clearly made a mistake and people from the previous thread couldn't find the thread.

Is Irenicus's Dungeon really only two floors? I thought it was bigger.

>>3913709
It's fairly short, you're just backtracking with Djinni quest.

>>3913364
Kits. The reason is that you can use a Kit.

>>3913470
KOTOR1 is a more polished and complete game than KOTOR2 with better difficulty, encounter design, pacing, economy, and character progression.

>muh Kreia
>muh crafting
>muh 2deep4u philosophy

>install Romantic Encounters for BG2
>save this girl from a hostage situation
>it looks like you can rape her afterwards, with dialogue options that allow you to gradually pin her, feel her up, and rip her shirt open
>before it goes further, the girl just punches you in the side, somehow allowing her to get away
Fucking modders, I swear. There's no reason to bait me like that.

>>3914348
Mods are double-edged sword.

>>3914348
Good place for a STR check, but righteous fluff is more important for these people.

>>3912930
Even if KotC capped much earlier, spellcasters would still dominate the game. Knights bring fuck all to the table past the early game, and really? They're not better to have in a party than a Cleric is at any point. Just comparing raw features, they have a tiny lead in HP, 1 BAB every 4 levels, martial weapons, and bonus feats in a game with a tiny handful of worthwhile feats. Low level spells more than make up for all of that.

>>3914353
it's not even righteous because it upholds the false narrative that women can somehow magically avoid both getting raped and murdering people at the same time

forgotten realms is a safe space all rape happens ambiguously off-screen so you can live in denial forever :)

Posting SoD

>>3914482
MODS MODS

>>3914482
fucking DUMB

>>3914482

>>3911259
>>3909405
Anyone got a recommended party?

Where's some good loot in Athkatla that doesn't involve a quest?

>>3914718
barrels

>>3914718
3-4 potions of master thievery + shops.

>>3914718
Walking in to the Crooked Crane's secret room and taking Daystar.

>>3914718
Go into the sewers and get best sword.

Do you upgrade flail of adges to +5 one with free action?

>>3915172
No. Keep it plus 4. Free action interferes with boots of speed.

>>3914789
Daystar is the most useful weapon in the game that is so fucking easy to get. Plus 4 against almost everything your ever want to fight, absolutely btfos undead with sunray, a level 7 cleric spell that you normally don't get until late and does the bonus damage against undead is unresistable. Improve haste fighter with belm in offhand kills kangaxx in demilich form in one round before he gets even one imprisionment. Only one handed sword that can compare in the base game is thunderfury.

And you can get it straight out of the first dungeon without having to fight anything.

>>3914373
The one very small niche I can think of for Knights is if you need Archery from round 1 before your Cleric buffs go up. Like that one early room where there's a dragon and you're given Dragon-slaying ammo to deal with it.

But yeah, they're really terrible because this is 3E

>>3913401
>Why is 3rd edition bad?
Bad balance even if you just use the core books.

Martials are terrible because enemies start to get HP bloated past a certain point and most Martial class have no utility outside of hitting things... and I can't even say your average Fighter hits things that hard either unless it's a stupidly optimized one-trick pony build.

It tends to be much easier to use "Save-Or-Dies" spells to take down monsters, and then Casters also have all the utility spells like Divinations, Flying, Knock (Unlock), Summons (a Druid's free built-in animal companion is almost as strong as a Fighter, let alone if he decides to summon more allies) and so on.

Still, assuming everyone is on the same page, you can have some really fun munchkin-y hijinks with 3E, so I can't call it a complete disaster.

(Pathfinder, a "spiritual successor" system, does not fix these issues, even though they claim they do)

3E ends up being a bit better in videogame forms because the "optimal" playstyle in P&P is actually very tedious for CRPGs and being combat focused, spellcasters can't pull off out-of-battle shenanigans that they can in P&P.

My personal opinions on the other versions in the following post.

>>3915208
>>3913401
Opinions on D&D systems
Basic: It's hard to describe...

I want to say the closest comparison is probably what the original Rogue videogame was channeling in the form of an P&P RPG.

There's not much character development that we think of in RPGs todays - it's probably the most "Mcguyver your way out of trouble through off-the-wall thinking" system rather than trying to Math monsters to death.

2E: More player options, but at this point, the system is clearly kind of a Frankenstein monster of hodgepodge subsystems clobbered together. It does achieve a twisted sense of balance somehow as long as you don't mind the fact that there's no real unified structure to how and why things work.

4E: This one is really controversial. For some reason, it gets a "World of Warcraft edition" moniker from people who have likely not played either WoW or 4E when really it's probably closer to something like Final Fantasy Tactics.

It's tightly focused on grid-based tactical battles with defined roles for classes in order to encourage in-Battle Teamwork for the whole party (where older D&D editions tries to do so by having classes be good in battles or out of it)

Very love it or hate it

5E: 3E in terms of rules-writing with a more 2E level of balance. I find it acceptable, but some people think it's bland.

(I forgot - one thing I will give 3E for is that it tries to unify a lot of the behind the scenes decisions making, concepts like "Rolling high is good, rolling low is bad" where 2E would decide which one it is based on which side of the bed it woke up in the morning.

Sometimes it lead to issues, for example, it's one of the contributors to Martials being weaker as Fighter and Thieves needed less EXP to level in pre-3E editions compared to Wizards and all classes in 3E now have the same leveling curve.

But in terms of learning the rules, it's really appreciated. All editions past 3E tend to be a bit more professional in this regard)

>>3914694
Most people would recommend only taking 1 or 2 characters and teach them all the skills. That way it becomes possible to dodge projectiles by changing the party formation.

>>3915190
>Thundefury
Did somebody say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?

>>3915208
>>3915228
Thanks, can you also tell me the difference between 3rd edition and 3.5 edition?

>>3914482
Makes you full of hope for the rumored BG3 project.

>>3914482
>black silk lining
i just cannot see how this was allowed to be put in.

Anyone else playing Hillsfar?

>I have been watching you for a time as we travel. You have a pleasing look about you, I think. The sort of musculature that would make a woman swoon with desire.
After that conversation, this (pic related) one-sided conversation occurred. I don't recall it happening last time I played BG2. Is it actually part of the vanilla game or is it from a mod?

>>3916184
What mods are you using?

>>3916184
Whenever you read narration put in brackets, you can be sure it's some mod. That shit doesn't happen in vanilla.

>>3916203
Actually, I think I found out what it is. I forgot I had NPC Flirt Packs installed and it has NPC-initiated flirts, so that would probably be what that conversation was.

>>3916214
remove the brackets and it's indistinguishable from dragonspear writing.

>>3916373
Why do people pretend that BG1's writing was good and not filled with ridiculous dialogue that doesn't fit the tone again? And then there's all the times enemies act like mongoloids for the sake of "humor". Hell, there's even that voiced line that many enemies have where they fart and say "Woah, now that was a stinker". I think the nostalgia goggles are cutting of the blood circulation of some of you.

>>3916427
regardless of what happened, you always had a choice to say fuck off. in dragonspear, you don't, just alternative ways of saying yes, or i'll do that later.

>>3916427
>that doesn't fit the tone

What tone? The game was a love letter to a dead genre which didn't took itself too seriously. That was the tone of the game. The ""writing"" was almost nonexistent.

>>3916452
I take it an evil walkthrough is out of the question in SoD?

>>3915558
>Thanks, can you also tell me the difference between 3rd edition and 3.5 edition?
It's a big balance patch. That's about it. You can mix and match things from each version as you like and it will be technically compatible,

>>3916475
Barely my party was Khagain, Edwin, Tiax, Montaron and Xzar

Of all those only Edwin remains, other evil guys are Viconia (that has a new and arguably better portrait) and Dorn (of course)

Worse of all they tease you, they say Tiax may join but he doesn't, fucking beamdog.

Posting more SoD

>>3916452 case in point

>>3916526
Why do the characters look like JRPG sprites?

>>3916524
Actually more interested in terms of play style. Can you be an asshole?

>>3908920
How's the SNES version?

>>3916452
>regardless of what happened, you always had a choice to say fuck off. in dragonspear, you don't, just alternative ways of saying yes, or i'll do that later.
Aside from Torment, virtually all of the Infinity Engine games had this problem, or even stuck you with one-sided responses.

In Icewind Dale, there's a priestess in the first village who goes on a tangent about how sectarianism is human nature, and there's nothing morally questionable about the tribes incessantly trying to slaughter each other. The only responses you're given are to agree with her, or sperg out for no apparent reason. Choosing the latter makes her boast that you've just proven her point, then she ignores you.

>>3916526

It's not a big deal that the character is a tranny. Stop trying to draw so much attention to your anti-SJW political bullshit. The point is that Dragonspear in its totality is a poorly conceived expansion with lazy writing. There are dozens of better examples you could have pulled from the game, but you choose that one with the sole intention of trying to stir up shit over something that should be a non-issue.

>>3916504
Your description of 4th as tabletop FF Tactics is intriguing.
Tell me, what does fourth edition play like outside of combat?

>>3916563
it is an example of shit writing because she could sell her armor and buy a girdle of gender swapping in any magical store.

>>3916618
>it is an example of shit writing because she could sell her armor and buy a girdle of gender swapping in any magical store.

kek

>>3916592
I would say it's less like Final Fantasy Tactics and more like World of Warcraft. Classes are literally split into the same sort of Tank, Support and DPS paradigm. Fighters and Paladins are Defenders; Bards and Clerics are Leaders; Barbarians, Rangers and Rogues are Strikers; Druids and Wizards are Controllers; et cetera. Then they all have MMO ability cooldowns, like at will, per encounter, per rest and so on. Everyone has magic powers and healing, and class identity has been destroyed in the sake of balance.

>>3916563
No, the fact that there is a tranny in SoD is a big deal. It demonstrates that Beamdog fundamentally doesn't understand the setting that they're writing for. Switching genders in the Forgotten Realms isn't a big deal to where people would develop that mental illness. The signature character played by the creator Ed Greenwood Elminster has flipped genders multiple times. In the very game series that they wrote for Edwin was gender swapped into Edwina. So the issue isn't that they included someone with a made-up modern social illness, it's that they included it in a setting that it literally wouldn't exist in.

Thread derailing in 3... 2...

>>3916663
Great contribution!

>>3916749
You too.

>>3916184
this seems like some mod shit, or some EE cuck shit

>>3916535
They added outline feature in 2.0, but you can turn it off.

>I'll just sit here and watch these adventures precast for a solid minute in my archway
>Even though this is how literally every dragon in history died
haha dragons

>>3916869

The kensai died in the middle of the fight and had to be revived

the dragon does a lot of damage

>>3916659
Class roles and ability cooldowns existed long before MMOs did. Stop being retarded.

>>3916890
It's hard as fuck to kill him with a weak front liners.

Totally new to /vr/. I think I would like playing something like D&D. Obviously - I have no friends to play with. What would you suggest me to start with? I recently played Might and Magic 7 - for blood and honor. I didn't like the combat.

>>3916973
Have you played baldur's gate series? It's absolutely must-play.

>>3916978
In fact I haven't. I tried once, but my PC showed an error and I didn't bother much fixing it. But if you say so - I will definitely try it again

>>3916973
Check out the Quest for Glory series. It's not based on D&D but it has far more actual roleplaying than the D&D CRPGs.

>>3916592
>Tell me, what does fourth edition play like outside of combat?
Mechanically, close to a 3E without broken spells - if you can make an convincing case for using a skill on your skill list or a stat check, then you roll that. Otherwise the Dungeon Master Guide has rules for improvising outcomes.

A lot of "out of combat effects" from previous versions such as Speak With Dead got rolled into Rituals and take a lot more in-game time to perform so they aren't the magic bullets they are in previous editions.

>>3916659
I disagree with your assessment of the system, but I've been around /tg/ long enough to know there's no real point debating the issue, so there's that.

>>3914482
I fucking hate modern non-humor. Every fucking person i see talks like this and they all erupt into laughter at their own jokes.

>>3917267
where do you live

>>3916926
It was actually a level 15 party and Harm doesn't work on dragons apparently with these mods.

>>3916869
He's short-sighted in his old age, don't bully him for it.

>tfw the mage casts a spell that reminds you of your dead dad and you just gotta lie on the grass for a while
>listening to the singing birds and trying not to cry in front of your team while they stand around awkwardly

Why can wizards create vats and clone things within them?

>>3917620
Because wizards can do literally everything.

>>3917620
Magic and Super-Science are indistinguishable.
All the stories are gonna be:
>God did it
>A wizard did it
>A scientist did it

or else they're gonna be some sort of hard-boiled shit with actual writing which is magnitudes more difficult and will still probably resort to one of those excuses because departure from reality is what makes it fascinating

>>3916882
isn't he supposed to be immune to backstabs

>>3917670
??? human wizards aren't immune to anything until they get their protections up. If he's sitting around chilling when you plant your sword in his spine then backstab works just fine.

>>3917754
the dragon

>>3917759
Conster is the wizard though. He's the one being backstabbed.

>>3917759
I couldn't manage to get either a backstab or harm to work on the dragon. I just ganked his sidekick at the start of the fight.

I'm pretty sure you can backstab dragons, though it's pretty difficult.

>>3917773
i am retarded

>>3916914
I didn't say that MMOs invented them you stupid faggot. Take a moment to change your angry piss-filled panties, cool your indignant spaz rage and re-read the post. I just said it was more in common with MMOs than FFT, since MMOs are a medium people are going to be able to easily identify. At no point did I or anyone else ever suggest that MMOs invented the concept of class roles or ability cooldowns.

All better champ?

>tfw you gas chamber mind flayers in the sewers and they teleport past the door one by one
mindflayers pls. you're supposed to be smart.

>>3917840
>Take a moment to change your angry piss-filled panties, cool your indignant spaz rage and re-read the post.
I'm guessing you take your college courses online

>>3917863
>college
Given the older userbase here, I hope most of you were smart enough to not fall for that meme and went with technical schools or apprenticeships.

>>3917878
I thought most of /vr was failure shut-ins or STEMfags

personally I just want to be able to study psychology or economics while getting a Comp Sci degree

>>3915190
>Belm
>hitting Kangaxx
nope.

>>3916526
>I was truly a woman

Holy shit, how can transgenderism even exist in this kitchen sink setting?

There are polymorph spells, sex-changing belts, and magical effects hidden in every nook and corner of Faerun. Why doesn't this faggot just go piss off a wizard until he gets "cursed" into the opposite gender?

>>3917904
Belm increases the number of attacks with your main hand weapon anon.

>>3917948
>Holy shit, how can transgenderism even exist in this kitchen sink setting?
It doesn't. Triggered SJWs conflated people being upset about a transgender being in the game with it being some alt-right agenda. People were upset because it literally doesn't exist in this universe for all the reasons you and others outlined. Between stuff like this, rewriting existing NPCs and shitting all over the lore, Beamdog had just made like a concentrated effort to show how little respect or knowledge they had of the source game.

>>3917904
B E L M
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L
M

Page 3, posting SoD.

This whole thread is my hostage.

>>3909298

You're fucking retarded, its fucking dungeon master you idiot

>>3917948
>>3918007

D&D's creators always encouraged things like gender equality, going as far as to use she / her as gender-neutral pronouns throughout their sourcebooks. 5E got more explicit in saying players could have characters of any sexual identity. So Baldur's Gate retroactively receiving these types of characters isn't anything that deviates from the D&D setting or ethos in any way, even if EE might have shoehorned those characters into the game for the wrong reasons.

Also, /vr/ isn't a place for debating social sciences. Instead of derailing the thread back and forth with how important you feel it is to waste a significant portion of your lives undermining trannies, let me direct your attention to a more receptive community for that >>>/pol/

>enter crypt while Hiding
>backstab enemy
>leave crypt
>Hide again and repeat

>>3918293
you can't backstab undead smartass

>>3918237
literally fallout 4 tier dialogue
only allowed to say the same thing

cucked

>>3918270
>she / her as gender-neutral pronouns
Not him, but lol.
>Also, /vr/ isn't a place for debating social sciences. Instead of derailing the thread back and forth
Do you lack self-awareness or do you just want to use your first post in the thread to get the last word in?

>>3918270
>waste a significant portion of your lives undermining trannies
>waste a significant portion of your lives
>waste
>waste
>w a s t e

Hmmm... I wonder who could be behind this post...

I wonder (((who)))...

>>3918270
You just had to right that post, didn't you?

>>3918305
Seriously? I was just wasting my time? No wonder it still seemed to take a while to kill them.

>>3918270
>D&D's creators always encouraged things like gender equality
That's why they gave female halflings a 14 strength cap, right?

>>3918338
>Dwarf
>18(99)

>Human
>18(00)
What did they mean by this?

>>3918346
Will they ever learn?

>>3916563
In bg2, if you are a mage and do the planar sphere, there's no way to tell the cowl wizards to fuck off after they bargebun and demand that you work for them if you want to keep it. Even though by this point you could have single handedly slaughtered dozens of them by casting magic in the city and killing them when they show up stop you. Including their highest ranked member apparently.

In BG2, does going from Chapter 2 to Chapter 3 cut you off from any quests or other content?

>>3918485
Chapter 3 starts when you give your money to Bodhi or Gaelan Bayle, right? No. You can do whatever you want after that.

>>3918490
>Chapter 3 starts when you give your money to Bodhi or Gaelan Bayle, right?
Yeah.
>No.
Great, thanks.

>talk to Bodhi and reject her offer after meeting her right by her base that she mentions
>ultimately buddy up with the Shadow Thieves
>can't tell Linvail you know where the enemy guild is located and that they're vampires, you've got to do two quests to find out info you already know
Dumb high WIS and INT Bhaalspawn.

>>3918508
The game will outright tell you when your journey starts and that you should get your shit done before you depart so don't worry. And even then you can do the other quests once you got Imoen back.

>>3918263
>>>/v/

We don't have any room for rude people here. Go back from whence you came.

>>3918485
Nope, feel free to pick up the mace of disruption, upgrade it and than kill kangaxx with it before you sail off to spellhold.

>>3918606
I always just tank him with Korgan and a mage with Melf's Minute Meteors puts him down.

Alright, still trying to tie the spell progress of sorcerers to their CHR stat. I know how to manipulate the spell progress, but not how to link it to CHR. Has anyone an idea? I'm sure it's possible.

>>3918610
That works, but why not give Korgan the MoD just in case he gets a lucky hit in before the demiliches defenses go up?
It's worked for me more than once.

>>3918270
>D&D's creators always
Damn am I sick of purple-haired millennials telling me how mistaken I am about the things I've lived through and played that they've never touched. I don't give a protestor's salary what Wizards of the Coast and Fifth Edition say. You twats repurposing existing lore and games to suit your narrative isn't excused by virtue of the current D&D IP holders willingness to exploit your flash in the pan social ideologies for profit.

You want a setting where trannies make sense? Where there is no precedent set by the likes of Elminster or Edwin and magic can't simply change genders? Then go pitch Transworld to WotC. Just quit excusing, or worse- endorsing, the desecration of games that came before and don't fit your mentally ill world view.

>>3918675
Kangaxx really doesn't require that much attention. You either go with Korgan or a scroll of protection against magic. You already have access to Azuredge so it's not like getting a +4 weapon is any problem. By the time you get the Mace of Disruption, Kangaxx should be long dead.

>>3918461
you are dumb. even irenicus let himself be taken. the cowled wizards may not be strong, but they are many, and enough to overwhelm anyone in a straight up fight for dominance.

>>3918756
Irenicus let himself be taken to serve his own purposes. It had nothing to do with the strength of the opposition.

How the fuck do you fight SCS vamps early on?

>>3918772
yes, it was all according to his plan that he made up on the spot and it was perfect, right.

>>3918779
Negative Plane Protection and the Sword of Chaos from Irenicus' dungeon
Use a lot of spells for damage, Jaheira's call thunder is pretty effective for example
Potion Chugging
Use Haste and run around a lot if you get in a tight spot
Minsc's Berserk is really useful for avoiding Charm, as are the helmets of charm protection that you can find in a bunch of temples and in certain encounters

My favorite Debuff in the SoA early game is Slow. Slow is the fucking tits. It's great.

>>3918753
Azuredge has an alignment restriction meaning that Korgan and any non-good MC can't wield it.
It also hits as a +3 weapon meaning that it won't do any damage to Kangaxx and presumably won't be able to use the instakill effect either.

>>3918794
Nope, it hits as +4 against undead. But yeah, you either use Azuredge on your main character or go with the MMM method with Korgan. You always have a caster in your party anyway.

>>3918346
Gary Gygax explicitly hated any character archetype other than human superheroes (high level fighters).

>>3918485
If you side with bodhi, you'll miss Renal's quest.

>>3916659
>So the issue isn't that they included someone with a made-up modern social illness, it's that they included it in a setting that it literally wouldn't exist in.
Not to defend their SJW shit, but that's utter toss. Your average shit covered peasent isn't gonna rock up to the village wizard and say 'I'd like a sex change, please!' and actually get it. Shit would cost a lot of money, there would be few practitioners of such magic due to it being a taboo subject and that girdle is not a mass produced prodict, I bet.

Only rich fuk nobles and adventurers, pretty much just player characters, could ever realisitically have the money and human resources to get their magic sex change done. 'I wish I were a girl' is still something that could believably happen in fantasy land.

>>3919128
>not to defend SJW shit
>but
stopped reading

>>3919132
Then you missed a pretty valid point, m8.

>>3919137
>valid
the only thing about commoners that changes with setting, is what loot they drop.
commoners have nothing to do with what adventurers have access.

>>3919139
That's my entire point you knob. The world is full of commoners who cannot easily access what a player character can, therefore a bunch of them might turn out to be sissy poofters instead. Adventurers don't even factor into it.

>>3919143
a commoner struggles to get a gold piece for bread, let alone even know or understand esoteric concepts such as gender identity.

>>3919147
I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue now. If it's that you have to be enlightend, educated or even slightly clever to think you're a girl when you're not then good job, because that's what you just implied. But what, even if it were true, would that have to do with anything I said?

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, what's to stop your standard filthy unwashed clueless peasent from being mentally ill?

>>3919128
Except first, it isn't your average shit-covered peasant. Mizhena is a Fighter 7 / Cleric 10 with a shitton of magic gear.

Second, your notion that the Forgotten Realms, arguably the most magic-heavy D&D setting is lacking in Transmuters? It just proves that you know as little about the setting as Beamdog does.

Finally, even an unskilled peasant doing general labor would still be able to afford the Girdle in approximately five years. Anyone with an actual trade like Blacksmith, Innkeeper or Farmer would have it even sooner.

So no, you couldn't possibly be more wrong on every single point.

>>3916541
Pretty much identical except that you can't manually set your characters' stats and HP, which means hours and hours and hours of rolling.

>>3919157
>Mizhena is a Fighter 7 / Cleric 10 with a shitton of magic gear.
Yeah, that's nice. I'm not talking about a character from a game I'll never play. I'm denying the absurd claim that trannies could not reasonably exist in D&D.

>your notion that the Forgotten Realms, arguably the most magic-heavy D&D setting is lacking in Transmuters? I
Good job putting words in my mouth once again. My argument was never much more than your average joe isn't going to have access to a wizard who will do this thing for him out of charity. Therefore trannies could exist, because magic is not a reasonable option for most people.

>Finally, even an unskilled peasant doing general labor would still be able to afford the Girdle in approximately five years.
What? How many of these things are there? Are you seriously saying that there's enough of these obscure practical joke magic items for everyone? Come off it, it's unrealistic to expect anybody who doesn't hobnob with heroes to even know about silly magic things like that. They don't have Wikipedia in the Forgotten Realms.

boy i sure do love unironic interracial tranny cuck porn discussion in a baldur's gate thread

>>3919189
red pill warriors

>>3919183
Having established that a girdle that switches gender is valued at 200gp, and that's a magic item with infinite charges, how much do you suppose a single transmutation is going to run you?

And why do you assume that Mages and magic are so unbelievably rare in the Forgotten Realms that people would have no access to them? Have you ever even touched a book from the setting? Even if you hadn't and had only played the games, in what town are spellcasters scarce? Nashkel might be the smallest town represented in either game and there are no fewer than SIX spellcasters found there in the vanilla version of the game alone.

And honestly, expecting your average person to not know about magic? With the likes of Halruaa, Thay, Evermeet and such existing where more commoners use magic than don't? If anything, I would say your average commoner probably imagines that magic can do even more than it's supposedly able to since they see it constantly in their day to day lives.

>>3919189
It's like 2 threads ago where 3e was brought up and the topic dominated almost all 200 following posts.

>>3919193
>Having established that a girdle that switches gender is valued at 200gp
Well, it was very unique item and that low cost just mean there's no demand for it.

>>3919193
It's not like we're given the full representation of even quite minor towns, but we do get most of the interesting stuff. The actual ratio of peasants to wizards is meant to be vastly higher. Nashkel is meant to have a population of 3000, 4500 including its surrounding farms. It's not actually about 6 houses and a church.

>>3919154
>Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, what's to stop your standard filthy unwashed clueless peasent from being mentally ill?
If you'd actually been to any part of the world like that irl you'd realize that they have more immediate problems and that shit like that gets beaten out of them really fast. Something like gender dysphoria is something that only occurs when you're one of the so called "beautiful ones".

>>3908891
Wow, BG and ID Enhanced Edition looks good. I played BG2 as a kid, but I didn't speak any English. I liked it regardless. Shall I look into it? (I heard PT EE isn't worth it...)
How confusing are the rules? What edition of (A)D&D does it use?

>>3919715
https://pastebin.com/92iqSsJp BG1
https://pastebin.com/pdQnUgdy BG2
https://pastebin.com/3abaKH5Y BG2 v1.3 patch

D&D 2.5e with revision. Download Tweaks Anthology, if you want to change or harmonize the rules. They vary between BG1 and BG2, and Beamdog has also taken the initiative to alter items and mechanics in versions past v1.3.

http://gibberlings3.net for tweaks.

RIP

>>3920120
Is that Xan mod any good?

I rarely consider hiding threads, but this is just one awful fucking trainwreck of a thread, and no one is going to stop bumping it anytime soon. I'm sorry, OP. I just can't take another day of this eye sore.

What the hell happened to /vr/'s janny?

>>3920482
I like it so far. He has quite a few interjections and his conversations with the PC are enjoyable. The mod also includes a few quests related to Xan and the one I've actually completed was nice.

Just don't prevent (by killing her) Selia from teleporting out after getting the ring back from her. If you do, it fucks the quest (or at least gives you the wrong conversation with Xan) because it assumes you killed her without getting the ring.

What can a single gold piece get you? Are beggars being greedy?

>>3920518
In any sensible economy a piece of gold would get them enough food for a few months. It's something which always bothers me in RPGs which use gold as currency. Whenever I enter some small ass backwater village and have to pay a few hundred gold pieces to restock on items I always imagine how I could've bought the whole damn hick dump with that wealth.

>>3918756
Did you let yourself get extorted out of 5k gold for a magic license like a good boy? I was casting in the city and not giving a fuck. When the cowl wizards showed up, slaughtered them over and over again until eventually they sent their highest members to deal with me. I killed them too and they took the hint not to fuck with me anymore and never came again even when i was casting gate right in front of the main government building. But now here they are in my planar sphere demanding I do their quests and I can't tell them to fuck off? Bullshit.

>>3919128
Your average peasant is too busy surviving in a harsh world to worry about social justice.

Carsomyr is very overrated weapon in my opinion, you can do nothing against pfmw with it, it's only good for dispel confusion party members by hitting them with this sword.
Best weapon in soa is mace of disruption, in tob is ravager.

>>3920512
>people discussing the lore of an RPG sickens me
>why won't reddit do something to censor them!?
There are plenty of ARPGs with minimal lore and maximum mechanics to discuss. D&D might not be the game for you.

>>3920550
The standard for unskilled labor for peasants is a silver piece a day. Skilled labor and tradesmen might make a few gold, depending on their profession. A gold piece is nowhere near food for months, nor villages worth only a few hundred.

>>3921152
And Carsomyr's 50% Magic Resistance. And it's 3/day Dispel Magic. And being a +5 Weapon available in chapter 2 making it bypass Absolute Immunity and Improved Mantle. And it doing bonus damage against CE alignments, the most prevalent alignment among big bads in the game.

And it's upgradeable.

>>3921269
>And Carsomyr's 50% Magic Resistance
Good, but you can get it with HLA, or cleric spell or potion, etc.
> And it's 3/day Dispel Magic
lvl15, will dispel almost nothing probably. lvl30 only on hit, but it doesnt work against pfmw as I said.
>+5
good, but almost of all the time +3 is enough
>it's upgradeable
Just +1 thac0 and damage. It's probably better to upgrade purifier and dualwield it with something.

>>3921289
Give it to an Inquisitor with his own innate 1 speed casted dispells and twice his level. Mages and liches get btfo forever.

>>3921269
>And being a +5 Weapon available in chapter 2 making it bypass Absolute Immunity
I'm pretty sure you need +6

>>3921343
inquisitor is bugged in vanilla to cast dispel magic at twice his level isn't he?

>>3921417
You're right.
>>3921419
It's not a bug.

>>3918949
Because it needs to give incentives for being human in a fantasy setting, and humans are the wild card.

>vastly more ways of increasing reputation than decreasing it
>always better rewarded too
>best way to maintain neutral reputation is by going to Jan's house and periodically murdering one of his relatives
is this game racist?

>>3921728
>best way to maintain neutral reputation is by going to Jan's house and periodically murdering one of his relatives
No, it's just you.

>>3921728
Reputation is a shitty system anyway.

>>3921728
The better question is:
>If having a high reputation is more profitable than having a low reputation then why do the Evil party members complain about a high reputation?
It makes absolutely no sense.

Does the Imoen Romance Mod not have the Imoen-related dreams anymore?

>>3921859
don't forget that in the vanilla game, neutral alignment npcs are never happy with any reputation level your party is at.
a better system would have been just to change a character's alignment according to their actions, and do entirely away with reputation. of course, such a system is much harder to implement, unless you take the lazy approach like the hell trials.

>>3922039
what's this

>>3922101
a scripted enemy that casts GoB about 10 rounds in a row automatically... and then runs out of casts.

You can just ghost him with a thief and wait till he runs out of magic.

>>3922128
sounds like one of those joke encounters in tactics mod

>>3908891
Say I wanted to play D&D RPGs but never have before.

Where the hell do I start? I'm amazed just how many of these exist, and assuming most of them are decent, I haven't the slightest idea where to begin.

>>3922187
baldur's gate

>>3921152
What about the flail of ages?
It's dead easy to get, goes from a very strong weapon early in SoA to one of the most damaging weapons in the game once fully upgraded and that slow without a saving throw is excellent. The only downside is that the +5 version gives free action which nullifies haste and improved haste.

The mace of disruption is solid but really limited to fights with undead where the daystar and a cleric will work just fine.

>>3922237
Alrighty then. Thanks!

>>3922187

Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 are great places to start. It's got a great mix of combat mechanics and story, and the rules of D&D are implemented in a very well-realized way. The games are huge RPGs by themselves, but taking your character through the whole journey is one of the most satisfying and incredible things in RPG history.

The other infinity engine games are pretty great, but Planescape leans much more towards an adventure game with the huge amounts of dialogue and story. Icewind Dale is the opposite, focusing on tactical combat over almost everything else.

The gold box games are awesome, but use very old D&D rules. What I really love about them is how you can have absurdly huge battles, and high-level characters are unstoppable. By the end of Pools of Radiance you will easily be one-shotting dragons and taking out huge swaths of enemies with fireballs.

Eye of the Beholder 1 and 2 are some of the absolute finest dungeon crawls of the era.

Also check out the Capcom beat-em-ups that were licensed from D&D. Grab a couple friends and you're guaranteed an afternoon of fun.

>>3922349
I'm actually a pretty big Capcom fan, so basically those two D&D RPGs are my only real frame of reference. They are fun, I'll have to agree.

Western RPGs are unfamiliar to me in general, and as much as I enjoy JRPGs I realized it wasn't fair for me to just never touch these growing up. I owe these games a fair chance, so that's why I came here. Thank you for these suggestions.

>>3922187
As a couple of people have already suggested, the Baldurs gate series is probably the best place to start.

Baldurs Gate 1 can be little slow and frustrating at first thanks to everyone having a low hit chance and very low HP but once you get your party to level 2 or 3 it should go a little smoother.

Baldurs gate 2 is an upgrade from 1 in almost every aspect and is possibly one of the best games ever made.

>>3909950

Jack Chick should have done a side series where he just drew waifus

>>3908891
that's how it's done

How do you deal with Efreeti or Djinni enemies when they turn into mist?

>>3922650
Assuming you're talking about summoned Dijinni and Efeeri, death spell should get rid of them no problem. Attacking them while shapechanged into a mind flayer might also end them permanently as (almost?) nothing is immune to death by stat drain.

>>3922242
Yeah, I agree about FoA, very nice feature.
But you underestimate mace of disruption, it kills through pmfw, absolute immunity, etc. even demiliches.

>>3922498
No way they did that damage in melee.

>Cloak of Balduran isn't in BG2

>>3921419
It's intended, not a bug. Read the kit description

D&D sale at gog this weekend.

>>3922795
That's what harm does in SCS

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned D&D - Warriors of the Eternal Sun on the Megadrive. It's a fun RPG with excellent music, the only downside is it's rather short and doesn't have any side quests.

Also not an RPG but a strategy game - Stronghold on the PC, made by the same company who make Eye of the Beholder.

>>3922901
it is though, you just drop it before the cutscene, or just shadowkeeper in your inventory of bg1 items if it's """"patched""""" by enlightened beamdog.

>>3923079
Any recommendations as far as what's for sale there?

>>3924643
depends on what you haven't played

My friend gifted me the Enhanced Editions of BG 1/2 as a surprise. Any vital mods I should use? I know there were new characters added and some script changes made and I'd like to get rid of them if possible.

Found one that handles the NPCs but not the script edits so far.
http://www.shsforums.net/topic/58322-mod-disable-enhanced-edition-npcs/

>>3924971
v1.3 or go home

>>3924971
>script changes
Not really.
The changes people usually talk about are the characters from BG1 written in a different tone in the beamdog-original Siege of Dragonspear expansion, which you should avoid altogether.

>>3914232
>muh quality Bioware written characters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr81SliHytA&t=10s

>>3923845
Someone should just give it to Deidre and charge 30k gold for it.

>>3925470
idk man I feel like they purposely make Magic resistance desirable and hard to come by in BGII so that you have to actually use spells/potions/scrolls when you want it.

>>3925526
Random drop with a certain % chance would be cool. I know IWD does it, so maybe it's possible in BG2 too.

>>3925562
I don't want to see anything like random drops in Baldur's Gate. that's dumb. People should just drop everything they're carrying.

>>3924971
The new characters are pretty easily ignored, it even tells you who they are when you start up the game so you can watch for them and give them a wide berth without needing to mod them out. It might even be worth letting them join temporarily so you can steal all their gear. One of the best things about EE is that the existing characters and writing are left untouched so you shouldn't need to worry about that.

EE also comes with some (by the latest version, pretty major) UI changes and bugfixes that many people (eg this guy: >>3925089) dislike. If anything, I'd be looking for a mod to reverse those changes.

>>3924971
>vital
Literally any UI mod. The latest EE UI is awful.
You already mentioned Disable EE NPCs.

If you're willing to spend the time, go through Big World Setup and take a look at the mod list.

>falling for the Imoen Romance Mod meme

>>3925570
It's about the chests. The first time you enter certain locations, there's a chance for certain item to appear from 3-4 item pool.

>>3926547
delet

>ominous power-hungry declaration
or
>striving for safe mediocrity and hating adventure
No middle ground allowed. For fucks sake Jaheira.

>>3926721
I don't see a problem here, you either ascend or not in the end.

>>3926721

>>3926946
How is adventuring "normal"?

>>3926968
being bhaalspawn is playing on easy mode in terms of adventuring.

Has anyone played Pools of Radiance on the NES?

Heya!

anyone bought planescape (((extended edition)))

>>3927080
Bhaalspawn """powers""" are nothing special, it's just your own high level.

>>3927273
naturally high stats are pretty huge boon in D&D 2.5e

>>3909957

I always thought the Gold Box Companion mod seemed really helpful. I've never used it, but it's existence makes me want to play the games again.

http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jhirvonen/gbc/

>>3908891
Is it just me or would this game actually be -easier- with 2 characters rather than 6

I keep thinking of restarting just to play a F/M/T with Viconia as a Ranger/Cleric playing waifu.

Like before one million XP it's not such a big deal, things scale in such a way that getting 3x XP isn't going to give you more than 2 or 3 levels, but once you're at 2m and realize you could be 8 levels higher right now, squarely in epic mage territory shitting all over everything it's like

why did I even have a party

they're not even that cool to hang out with most of the time!

maybe I'll just restart and speed through BG1 until I get to the cave of bodybuilding and watch Viconia and Charname kill a thousand flesh golems. Or maybe bring Imouto too.

I could have Charname and Viconia getting obscenely powerful, just picking up each other third wheel party member to go through their quest before dropping them, picking up Imoen again at the end.

Seriously why the fuck does Cleric/Mage only get bonus spells for Cleric, like obviously if I had the choice of which one got the spells it would be Mage

if I ever do multiclass again I'm going to cut my party in half as a rule.

>>3927330
oh man why did I think mages got bonus spells

was I thinking of 3rd ed or something? does it even happen there?

I'm starting to feel depressed like I might not finish this game now. Maybe I should have just played a solo Mage. I'm so tired of not having spellstrike.

So I just picked up Sword Coast Legends for £5. Seems pretty old-school so far, what did you guys make of it?

Personally, I spend the time reconstituting culinary delights from my childhood.

>>3927330
playing with solo or small parties is more fun, and definitely much more challenging in bg1, where meta is a full party with ranged weapons, killing anything before it can even hit you.

Aerie or Edwin?

>>3930026
I would rather have a whiner than a deluded and egotistical person.

>>3930026
If you think you need another divine caster, want to make fun sequencers and contingencies with those divine spells and be able to use wish and/or limited wish without chugging lots of potions of insight: Aerie

If you want the best arcane caster who can get to the high level spells faster, always have plenty of spare arcane spells on hand and be able to cast level 9 spells from your spellbook: Edwin

It mostly depends on what the rest of your party is like imho.

If I've never played any of the D&D rpgs nor Fallout 1/2, should I play Fallout 1 first, or Baldur's Gate?

>>3930218
or should I start with Pillars of Eternity?

Just played PoR for the first time last summer. Which Gold Box should I play next?

>>3930218

Fallout 1 is incredibly fun and still enjoyable.

Baldur's Gate is a good game, but I could'nt really explain why. Infinity engine games are hit and miss for most people.

ToEE is supposed to be pretty good, if you find you prefer turn based combat.

>>3930219
it's impossible to play through PoE, if you've recently played any of the other, older crpgs. its flaws become terribly apparent.

>>3930296
All the more reason to start with it.
It looks very nice and is overall a enjoyable game when looked at in isolation even if it wasn't the best CRPG ever made.

>the Umar Hills people sent a little boy to Athkatla to get help
What the fuck?

>>3930367
They thought he'd be safe because the game would ship with an immortal children patch to get a lower age rating.

>>3930367
fantasy trope

>>3930367
Considering people are being randomly murdered in their beds, he's probably safer traveling to Athkatla than staying at home.

>>3930161
What's making him have a morale failure there? I was under the impression only Turn Undead could make undead run away.

>>3933462
Turn undead perhaps?

>>3933462
Maybe the two crits in a row I got. Kheldorn was soloing it while everyone else sat in a corner, so no high level Turn Undead shenanigans.

>>3933462
I'm pretty sure mages will panic if they're caught in melee and their protections get stripped.

>>3930161
Torm take you!

Should I make Xan a Fighter/Mage?

>>3934378
He's an elf and his strength is way too low to dual class even if he was a human so I'm going to assume you're talking about modding him or something.

He's got stupidly low constitution which means that it's probably not a good idea because him going anywhere near the front line is going to lead to his death pretty quickly.

Balduran clearly made it back to the mainland because a good amount of his gear is spread around, but what actually happened to him?

>>3934405
His Strength and Constitution aren't really low, they're just okay. At 13 and 7 respectively, they have neither bonuses nor penalties. AD&D had a really broad range for "average" while 3.X was essentially just 10-11.

>>3934589
Wow. I was going to call you on that but then I double checked.

>>3934624
...why do you think 3d6 can generate at least playable characters in any AD&D edition while 3d6 is a straight up fucking death sentence in anything newer than 3E?

>>3934906
*newer than 2E

>>3934906
But you don't roll in 3e.

In 3E you pretty much need 4d6 drop lowest.

If they didn't get any main-stat rolls I'd have to give them a 5d6 roll to compensate

In 3E if you can't adjust your main-stat to 18 you might as well just neck yourself.

>>3935380
16 is enough for any class.

>>3935223
Rolling was still the default method, no? Also weighted point-buy is shit, flat is better.

>>3935223
>he doesn't roll initiative to use the rolls for character generation instead of point buy

>I am stuck on the warden in the Planar Prison with no spellcasters apart from a lvl 9 Jaheira

Send help

>>3937450
Use the boots of speed for shenanigans

>>3937465
What kind of shenanigans?

>>3937450
Trap bombardment?
Druid's insects spell?

>>3937495
Yeah it would be a good idea to try and use the insects if Jaheira didn't die or get disabled in 2 secs.

>>3937471
go into range with one character, get him to cast protections, then run away and hide. troll him until he runs out of spell slots. Eventually he'll just be a dangerous fighter with damage spells.

>>3937046
>>3937246
I probably was wrong, it's just nwn feature.

>>3937574
Yeah, it's obviously the superior method for a CRPG where rolled stats result in people just sat there clicking re-roll for an hour to make an ubermensch. When 3E/3.5E was current, I think most groups still did rolled stats, but anecdotally most people have transitioned to point buy even for tabletop now.

>>3937692
maybe new players, but ask living ancients like matthew colville and they'll tell you exactly why point buy is shit.

>>3937508
Have you destroyed the master of the thrall's orb? If you haven't, then the fight is going to be extremely difficult. Doing so will also turn the thralls near him against him so they can run distraction for you and deal a little bit of damage to him before they all get killed.

Get Jaheira to churn out a few summons before you enter the fight to draw fire away from her and the rest of the party and then start the fight with her casting insect plague on the warden. Once he's hit with insect plague, the fight should be considerably easier. IIRC he has a mislead in a contingency so hopefully you have a thief who can detect illusions or Keldorn who can cast true seeing to get that out of the way quickly.

If you're feeling cheesier, you could get her to cast farsight where you know he will be and then march summons in there to drain his spells and deal a little bit of damage then rest and repeat until he's dead. Considering your level, you can't summon all that much so it could take a while but if you're desperate it is a safe way of doing it.

>>3937508
What about traps? Those do wonders.

I heard that the Japanese console port (one of the more obscure ones, I think it was PC98?) of EOB has an amazing soundtrack, but when I searched for it a few years back I was only able to find tracks for the intro and the first floor. I'd resume the search now, but I can't recall the composer's name for the life of me. Anyone help me out here?

>>3938185
everythign on pc-engine has an amazing soundtrack

>>3937842
Hey that sounds like a good idea

What weapon proficiencies should I focus on for a fighter/thief?

>>3940519
Same ones you'd focus on for a regular fighter.

>>3940519
>>3940716
Don't listen to him. You want Quarterstaffs and Longbows. start with 2 pips of long bow, then 2 QS, 1 2HW, then max QS.

If you're gonna go Fighter/Thief without the Mage though, Kensai/Thief dual class is the way to go, since you can maxroll backstabs until you get assassination, and get use any item as a thief to nullify all of the kensai's weaknesses.

>>3940757
>Quarterstaffs

This is bait, right?

>>3940759
Why would it be? Staffs of Striking are monstrous backstabbing weapons, and the Staff of the Ram is the single best option for it, though it's late game.

>>3940759
Staffs are legit deadly weapons in DnD and in this game, they're the strongest weapon you can backstab with, and their enchantment level is almost always available before anything else. You can buy a +3 Quarterstaff in both BG and BGII exceedingly early, and it's the first +4 weapon available in BGII unless you go to Watcher's Keep. They also have reach.

The argument can be made that the best Two-Hand Sword or Halberd is better than the best Quarterstaff, and they probably are, but you can't backstab with those.

>>3938185
If you're talking about the Sega CD version then the composer is Yuzo Koshiro of Streets of Rage and Ys fame.

I personally really like that OST, but some people scoff at the idea of electronic music in a fantasy game. I kind of liked the discrepancy.

>>3940881
Forgot link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T53N_JS1lc&list=PL_0xwEJacSN95iya4INAj9y9Z6JObszOB&index=6

Just beat Firkraag by only using Yoshimo's traps and Jaheira's lightning staff I got from the Druid Grove quest. Feels cheap tbx.

>>3941973
try that on the black dragon

>>3940856
You can backstab with anything if you're a fighter/thief.

>>3942934
you should be able to, but you can't, unless you're using 3rd edition flank attack garbage instead

>>3942934
You can only backstab with thief weapons in baldur's gate

>>3943232
it also requires some sort of wizardry to change, since it's hard coded or something or the other

How the fuck do I play this game?

I have these two random followers, Montaron and Xzar who just want to get to these mines, random people will come up to me and randomly fight me because I have a bounty on my head for some reason, some Garrick guy wants me to go to some girl named Silke who tries to trick me into fighting innocent people, but she kills me super easily if I deny her.
Going in between towns, there's hordes of hobgoblins and kobolds and they randomly wreck my shit. Dark Souls taught me to try and fish them out one by one to kill them more easily, but it's still luck of the draw.

I'm going into a next town and jrpg logic tells me that better gear is available at the merchant than at the previous town, but everyone still sells "helmet, leather armor, axe" like there;s no stat change.

I'm slightly aware of THAC0 in trying to get that number lower, but I'm still used to jrpg mechanics (like defense, magic defense, etc)
I feel like I'm wandering aimlessly in that I'm going to end up in a later-game area than I'm supposed to (think graveyard/skeletons in Dark Souls) only I don't know if it's actually later-level-hard or just I'm-a-stupid-fucking-idiot-who-can't-into-crpg-hard.

>>3944506
The bounties are a plot point that come up a bit later.

Silkie is best taken down with a hail of arrows and evocation spells. Random encounters are a pain, I'll admit that. The gear you want is magical, ignore the shop trash but for god's sake stockpile arrows and give everyone a ranged weapon of some kind. Those few attacks can make a huge difference in the earlygame.

THAC0 and AC are a measure of accuracy more than anything else. "Defense" isn't really a thing in D&D, but "evasion" certainly is.

The game is pretty hard at the beginning since your HP is single digits at best. Talk to everybody and do quests for experience, it'll make a huge difference.

>>3944506

Fighters are your meat shields. Your guys are really weak at level one, so do the easy quests to get exp.

In a low level party, magic users are incredibly useful. You can't do much damage with magic missile, so you want to focus on spells to debuff and knock out the enemy. Sleep, color spray, entangle are all great. If you have Jaheira, she can use Bless to buff the party. Bows are really really good in the first game. Use that pause button, play tactically and treat every low level encounter as extremely dangerous. It's classic D&D rules and let me tell you this shit does not hold your hand.

>>3944535
Is everything that is essentially important for experience added to the journal?

There's no chance that I won't miss something because it wasn't added to a journal for some reason?

>for god's sake stockpile arrows and give everyone a ranged weapon of some kind

Figures, I made my main character a fighter because I swear anons were saying it was "easy for first-timers"

>>3944506
You won't see as much improvement in gear as in a jrpg.
Your next upgrade will be +1 weapons/armor which give you 1 more AC or THAC0 and damage. +2 is considered to be very good in the game, and +3 is the best you'll ever see.

As other said before, your HP will drastically increase and you won't die so quickly. Bear with it until you get to level 2 or 3.

>>3944506
Baldur's Gate is completely playable by modern standards (one of my genuine favorites), you're just not used to how 2nd Ed. D&D feels.

Stick with BG1, it gets better. Kite shit with ranged weapons and what not until you get in the groove. Keep lots of saves.

and uh, be aware that some NPC's aren't going to get along with others.

Anybody ever play the GBA version of Eye of the beholder? Pure boggin'

>In Carnival town to fill the map because it appeases my completionist tendencies
>top part of map, bump into a group of kobolds
>run back into town
>they chase me
>somehow de-click part of my group along the way and they get killed
>other part of group still running away keeps getting chased
>get into town, npcs running and screaming
>run into random tent
>some fat guy is there telling me about burning a witch
>just a magic user, try to argue my case
>must have failed a speech check because he suddenly turns red, does a spell and turns into multiple fat guys
>he does magic that freezes entire party
>die one by one

Trial and error BULLSHIT.

>>3944692
owned

>>3944586
I recall trying it briefly on an emulator. I went in blind, got my entire party wiped by a couple of kobolds and then decided to play some Baldurs Gate instead.

Was so excited when this came out, loved the turn based combat but was so disappointed by the many many bugs. Still played to the bitter end, despite the graphical clutches.

>>3945562
>One major bug would cause a player's system files to uninstall when the game was removed.
There are bugs, and then there are bugs.

>>3945562
The biggest issue for me was the fact that you've got these enormous levels of the dungeon, which look the same, room after room, floor after floor. It all feeling very samey, especially because most of the encounters end up just being some variation on 'six orcs, a couple of which will use bows'. It also doesn't help that the tile-set they used for the first five or so floors is the ugliest, drabbest grey stone and gravel combination.

>>3946327
Holt shit! I had no idea, damn games still installed on my ancient desktop too.

>>3946329
Don't forget the odd Orc shaman.

>>3944692
Use the = key to select your entire party.
Use sleep to disable kobolds and pick them off 1 by 1.
Use magic missile and arrows to het through mirror images.

>>3946443
I had to play it with a speedhack enabled just to not bore myself to death with the endless backtracking. Even then I couldn't finish the whole thing.

>>3940881
>but some people scoff at the idea of electronic music in a fantasy game.

Some people would argue that that's half the appeal of Falcom games like Ys and Brandish.

(actually in the case of Brandish, many argue it's the ONLY appeal......but those people are stupid bitter plebs with no skills).

>>3918712
>Just quit excusing, or worse- endorsing, the desecration of games that came before and don't fit your mentally ill world view.

I'm going to continue to do both, because unlike you, I am not mentally ill enough to give a shit about words in a vidya game, and it gives me the extra fun of watching people on the internet lose their shit about things that do not matter.

>>3947936
t. berkeley rainbow-mohawk communist gay anal gay homosex gay faggot gay man-ass gay. kill yourself. go die in a bus fire.

>>3947978
Thanks for proving my point, anon!

>>3947981
fuck off and die, gay. die in a river.

>>3947982
Not as fun, that one. Come on anon, you can try better to make me feel bad

>>3947984
fuck off gay. go die

>>3947986
Why have you given up? Here, what if I say this.

"They should make morte be the skull of a woman in planescape EE"

>>3947993
go die, gay.

all gays and fukters need to go2hell NOW.

>>3947995
I agree, they SHOULD retcon the bhaalspawn into having the soul of the opposite gender you pick at character creation.

>>3947998
fuck off kike gay

>>3948000
Yes, yes, putting in a parody of trump and saying he's terrible WOULD increase sales!

>>3948004
fuck off kike get banned already get banned already

where are the mods

ban this kike already

>>3948006
Hmm, porting the entire series to consoles and making a BG3 with a watered down console version in mind? Genius!

hate this gay-anal millennial nu-kike. already filtered him.

where are the mods. are the mods not on call today or something

>>3948008
>wanting to ban somebody because they have a different opinion than you

Sounds very snowflake of you, anon-kun. What's your tumblr?

ban and physically kill this gay homonazi millennial fascist kike. ban and physically kill him. bullet to the dome. .45 acp

>>3948019
I thought you liked nazi fascists? am i not good enough for you?

oh fuck thank you based mods for killing the kike

>>3948037
I'm alive. I'm here, and apparently queer?

just keep banning and killing him until he gets bored and gives up. he's a child. a literal millennial child. adhd in the brain. no attention span. he'll give up eventually after enough time of getting banned and killed and not getting any (you)

it's 4 or 10 in the morning for him. he'll leave eventually. just keep banning and killing him.

>>3948042
I haven't got banned once, buddy. Sorry

what's the bump limit for /vr/? I wanna know how much longer we need to keep this up.

i do my job and just wait for the mods to do theirs

don't give him any attention. he's a kike. all he wants is attention. don't give him (you). don't give him reply. just do your job and wait for the mods to do theirs. he'll be banned again eventually.

>>3948051
>he thinks I do it for the (you)s

The fact you're posting at all means I've won.

don't give him (you). don't give him reply. just do your job and wait for the mods to do theirs. he'll be banned again eventually.

>>3948056
It's just you and me, anon-kun. I can do this all night long.

don't give him (you). don't give him reply. just do your job and wait for the mods to do theirs. he'll be banned again eventually

>>3948060
you give me reply. it make me strong, and feels good. Stop posting, and I'll stop posting.

don't give him (you), don't give him reply. just do your job and wait for the mods to do theirs. he'll be banned again eventually

what the fucked happened to this thread.

3948065
just report him and move on. do not (you). just report and move on

>>3947978
>>3947982
>>3947986
>>3947995
>>3947997
>>3948000
>>3948006
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>>3948016
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>>3948037
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>>3948068
Reported for spamming. Enjoy your ban :)

>>3948072
Announcing your reports is against the rules, gaykike. Get banned.

>>3947749
>(actually in the case of Brandish, many argue it's the ONLY appeal......but those people are stupid bitter plebs with no skills).
anon calm the fuck down holy shit

>>3919128
janny pls stop falseflagging this thread.

>>3944692
He doesn't look so fat to me.

YOUR TIME IS DONE, PRIMATE

>>3944506
dude, these games have a completely different gameplay philosophy from the rederence points you listed, you need to adjust your approach

>>3944506
Good items are hidden throughout the game. You have to find them. Only a few good items are bought and you can't afford them until late.

Regular bows are mostly fine though.

The real answer is "how to the fuck do I play this" is to explore and learn to kite. If you don't kite, you are going to die a lot.

Just got all these games for free. The D&D silver box has all of the gold box games along with code wheels and a giant manual.

>>3945562
I played that for the first time a few years ago. I remember when it came out, the cover and screenshots looked great but everyone said it sucked. Well, it wasn't that good, for sure. Rather shallow and repetitive, and the graphics are really bad compared to the Infinity Engine games.

I did beat it though. Just replaced the music with something good and grinded a few hours a day till I got through. At least the final boss is a cool Dragon.

>>3952274

>>3955473
jesus christ, I'm jelly. Who set you up with all that for free?

>>3956834
A friend of my mom's that's moving into an RV and doesn't have space to keep his old games. Unfortunately some of them like TES Arena are missing the CDs but the entire AD&D set is there along with Warcraft 1 and 2.

>>3955439
>If you don't kite, you are going to die a lot.
just cast sleep lol

>>3957610
I'd like to use magic more but I can only use a spell once before having to take a nap before I can do it again.

>>3958191
>I'd like to use magic more but I can only use a spell once before having to take a nap before I can do it again.
Expect to rest once for every single scripted encounter at your level that you make it through.

>>3958359
Xzar and Montana seem to complain often about not getting anywhere fast enough like they're going to leave my party soon. Will they? Also I have the expansion installed and with it came a save file with endgame content. It says it's at 64 days into the journey. I'm already on day 18 and I haven't even gone into the mines at Nashkel yet. Too afraid of swarms of faggots attacking me at once. It's bad enough out in the open let alone in narrow corridors.

>>3958437
Yes, they'll leave. You only have to visit Nashkel itself - and possibly talk to the mayor? - to satisfy them, though. Actually going into the mines can be done later.

>>3958191
Use wands, those things are amazing. Especially in BG1.
You can buy a wand of sleep from the mage near Beregost.

Sell and buy back/steal to recharge them.

https://www.gog.com/u/valkin15/wishlist

which ones should I remove/are not worth it? I went on a favoriting spree.

>>3955473
Nice haul, never got to play Dark Sun myself. Like the idea of it though.

How do I deal with party members in BG1?
I don't know how to explain it, but I guess I feel like the party you meet is sorta like a friendship you form with them. Like, they're not just random npcs that you can somewhat control. Again, stuck in JRPG mode, I'm used to having a set group of people because they are the ones you run into and they are the ones that are pretty much stuck with you because that's how the game (in a JRPG sense) wants it.

>>3908891
I used to work for SSI. I worked on Dark Sun, and later went on to be a designer for Planescape. Ask me anything

>>3959706
Did you have any of the guys from TSR breathing down your neck?

>>3959717

me personally, no

TSR was real cool, now when Wizards got them that is when things got bad

>>3959706
Why do you keep pretending to have worked on these games after having been repeatedly BTFO in different threads?

>>3959829
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

>>3959687
>How do I deal with party members in BG1?
Can you ask a question that's more vague?

>>3959961
Not him, but you want to gather a team to join you for the big win. Swapping party members makes me feel disloyal and losing them makes me feel like a failure.

>>3959975
Then don't swap them and quickload the moment one goes down.

>>3959829
what are you talking about? Ive proven this several times. Ive answered many questions on these games. I realize 4chan is full of autistic losers cucks like you but some people here loved some of the games ive made so I want to answer questions for them. Just assuming everyone lives in their mom basement and does nothing all day like you.

>>3960191
You never posted any proof or interesting insight. Feel free to prove me wrong.

>>3960195
ive done it several times and convinced hundreds of people. it is always 1 or 2 people like you whp refuse to believe it. You are free to believe what you want, but the fact remains ive worked on many of the rpgs that people talk about on these boards.

If you want to actually learn something im here for even you. Im here for all my fans even autistic ones. If you just want to bitch though I cant help you.

>>3959835
Are you saying there's more than one person LARPING as an SSI employee in these threads?