/vr/ - Retro Games

HIGHWAY TO HELL
-Second phase of map submissions closed
->>/vr/thread/3901193#p3901898

QUMP
-Mapping deadline extended to the end of April; no longer accepting new mappers
-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

=== NEWS ===

[4-24] New gameplay mod; osjc's Major Crisis
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=56076

[4-23] Adventures of Square updated to 1.4
http://adventuresofsquare.com/news.php

[4-21] REKKR Soundtrack released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjzTY6dDKHs&list=PLYIx7audKFzxTpbCF1YwKYqAw-_FSV1-Y

[4-17] Latest episodes of both Intermission and Evolution of the WAD podcasts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNydFHUBt0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJpcv_YQ4gU

[4-14] Lithium 1.4 released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54904&start=90#p990887

[4-14] gdxBlood Progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRGliXZq8XY

[4-14] Anon release; a dungeon crawler mod with three maps
https://my.mixtape.moe/mfzord.pk3

[4-12] ZDoom.org has had a complete redesign
https://zdoom.org/

[4-12] Omni Shields: consumable invulnerability inventory items
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55974

[4-8] Linguica's Antrywey released; a strictly vanilla map created with savegame trickery
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93650-antrywey-small-vanilla-level/

[4-8] MetaDoom v3.666 released; pistol ammo cvar and some rebalancing
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=989530#p989530

[4-5] Kinsie's Consolation Prize project now covers Doom 64 Retribution; MetaDoom also to make use of it in v3.64
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55298

[4-1] DooW released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfumR3EMUlw

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>>3952525
New Evolution of the Wad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxl90i97nns

>doom has good wea-

who made brutal doom?

>>3952542

Yeah, Doom 3's shotgun is hot garbage.

>>3952542
pons

>>3952558
me

>>3952542
SSG in RoE honors this retard accuracy as well, two shotguns that is only effective when you are literally pointblanking the enemy with the gun inside their mouths.

I guess it is because they wanted the Machine Gun, Chaingun and Plasma Rifle to be used more? Other than that i see no reason why the hell they decided to make that retarded spread.

>>3952542
I don't think it's even physically possible to actually make buckshot spread that far.

Is there a patch or mod for this?

>>3952542
>develop horror game
>make most weapons terrible
why is this a trope

>>3952583
its a shitty one cause silent hill and resident evil both have satisfying weapons

>>3952542
*staple guns you*

what do you call this

>>3952594
HARDCORE DOOM WARS

>>3952585
Yeah, in Resident Evil they made the controls shit instead :^)

>>3952542
Not retro.

>>3952608
>muh tank controls
might as well complain that you cant look up in doom

>>3952582
Not sure myself. This is the shortest barrel I've seen, and it's little better than simple blowing up a shotgun cartridge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSjLllBbQ4&t=202s

For a mod to be balanced you'd have to weaken the shotgun based on distance, but keep the spread the same to make it feel good.

Why do blood enemies randomly run away at times? I'll be forking a zombie and his friend and one will suddenly high-tail it to the other side of the map without warning. Is it intended, or a glitch?

>>3952564
then fuck off
>danny glover

>>3952589
how do you even aim with that

does the screen stop working if you punt someone too hard with it

how do you clean, disassemble, repair, or replace its components

this is making me want to die

>>3952625
I think it was a good game in spite of shit controls.

In Doom you could turn and strafe while walking back or forth, on top of the game supporting a mouse for said turning (even if you can't look up/down), which means Doom generally has quite good controls, though it's also much more fast paced and action oriented.

I'm glad tank controls aren't a thing anymore.

>>3952696
tank controls are fine they just take time to get used to
playing REmake without them is awful because of the camera angels

This vile is nasty

>>3952583
>>3952585
the only beef I had with silent hill's weapons was its shotgun, because it totally didnt fit its capacity or what it was useful for (though ill say its probably 20 gauge based on its damage and the fact an average-fitness story writer can one-hand it)

Hunting rifle just might be something like .375 h&h or .300 win mag. I believe it was 4 Capacity and that would line up with something like a heavy caliber safari gun.

Only criticism ive got for the melee weapons matches up with what a walkthrough said about the Axe. It really is rather lackluster.

But that emergency hammer... I want one of those in real life. And those make more sense than a fire axe because bashing, after poking a hole in a stuck door, is more effective at breaking it down.

>>3952582
>>3952632

I dont think its possible to make it spread like that in real life, thats more like fragmentation patterning from something like a claymore or directional grenade.

You can get roughly the same pattern as original doom shotgun using the spreader choke on the Spas12. Look online for it. It looks pretty wicked. What it does is crushes the wad as its coming out the end thus flattening the vertical spread of the pellets, and the muzzle blast causes them to scatter horizontally (its got a muzzle brake port on either side to prevent pressure buildup). Surprisingly you can still put a slug through this too, while you cant do that with some other chokes.

> weaken the shotgun based on distance
How do you do that in zdoom?

I can imagine weakening the range of the pellets so that a bunch of them disappear the farther out it goes, but thats a real stupid way to handle it.

It would be much better to just reduce the damage of each pellet the farther away it gets.

>>3952702
>they just take time to get used to
Well it's playable but it just feels super stiff.

>playing REmake without them is awful because of the camera angels
Felt just fine to me, the trick is to either keep your stick tilted in the same direction, and then either let go (so, stopping in place, if you have the time), OR, you adjust and keep steering from a crooked angle, until you are at a spot where it's safe to stop and readjust.
I personally think this is very easy, and it never fucks me.

The enemies do become easier though.

>>3952707
>I dont think its possible to make it spread like that in real life, thats more like fragmentation patterning from something like a claymore or directional grenade.

Idea for weapon; Doomguy holds up a claymore mine, facing it forward, fire triggers it and sends a fucking massive volley of steel balls (bouncing rippers) forward, A_Recoil 100 or something so Doomguy goes flying, and it also does explosive damage.

>>3952689
i always liked how most of the doom 3 guns had visors on them that told you the ammo count, made it seem futuristic and whatnot, it looks cool

>>3952567
The RoE SSG actually has a tighter spread than the shotgun. It's a fucking joke.

>>3952707
>Surprisingly you can still put a slug through this too
What the heck would that do?

https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1519102&page=30

nudoom megatexture, model and animation extracting tool to be released soon this week/month/tomorrow (?)

assumed to also work with TNO and evil within

>>3952758
>what would it do
Keyhole probably.

>>3952525
>stop shilling your podcast here fagit.

>>3952763
lil demo vids
https://youtu.be/5_l4ikND7tc
https://youtu.be/j98grTHAvns

>>3952501
>>3952482
>>3952472
>>3952454
>>3952437
>>3952398
>>3952380
As long as you fiddle around with it at some point it should be okay; nobody cares that heavily about it. Just tweak it a bit for variation and you're golden

fatso

in other news i did a lot more work on the map (using cc4 textures now as they get the effect across better; I could technically just use Satanic Redux's playpal, but that wouldn't play nice with some areas.)

>>3952790

>>3952763
>>3952779

Good shit.
Linking to newspost.

>>3952525

>>3952793
>>3952790
Current GZDB overlay; you can see the various control sectors and tidbits.

my sergeants have double barrel shotguns

player takes half damage from shotgun pellets (monsters dont)

ive got it rigged so he uses the same spread as the double barrel (12x6 degrees) but he randomly rotates to cover his usual fire arc, so you may not get hit, or you may only get clipped

> also got rid of normal shotgun, this replaces it, to combine the long range capabilities and damage of both it shoots weaker pellets but it also shoots 1 powerful one from both barrels that has reach and generally goes straight
> this also causes some weak enemies to splatter occasionally, a very satisfying effect

>>3952758
it means you can use slugs for barrier penetration without taking the choke off

Ill post a picture of this mythical barrel choke in a second after I get the pic off google again

>>3952805
Well, are you going to increase the chaingun's sniping capability to make up for the lack of mid-sniping tool?

>>3952758
>>3952770

not exactly weapons forum, but this is relevant to doom since the shotgun obviously has one even though it doesnt appear to

(however the alpha resources show some knobby thing on the end of the shotgun, so iD definitely intended to put this on it, maybe they talked to some vietnam guys for advice about shotguns)

>>3952815
actually its still a mid sniping tool because of those two powerful pellets it shoots each time

12-48 damage each and they have a spread of 2 degrees

and the chaingun did get an increase to its sniping ability, you can tap it for 1 bullet, and altfire makes it shoot a 4 shot burst real quick at maximum spin (for skirmishing)

bullets do more damage but max cap is only 300 instead of 400 to make up for it

> chaingunners are more accurate too, and theirs do more damage, so you better believe they've become monsterous and will chew you to pieces
> however to promote infighting and make them shoot wild their first attack animation sprays bullets everywhere - before they focus straight on you
> it doesnt help that they've got random health now too, 90/110/200 health
> and if an archvile resurrects them they have 600 health

Meh, I manage, as vanilla their own weapon is best to use against them.

>>3952815
>>3952825

that plasma gun isnt normal either, to replace the SSG map item slot I put in a uber plasma rifle (about 80 damage per hit to monsters)

But it has limited shots and no ammo pickups except other SSG map items.

It sorta makes up for the slight nerf to damage economy on the SSG by replacing the normal shotgun with it (SSG does ~150 damage now instead of 200)

>>3952834
Anti-Tank Missile replaced the plasma gun slot. Every energy cell is a big rocket instead. Damage economy is still about the same (~500 damage) but the explosion also does collateral damage.

In some ways its unfair to certain nasties because its all that damage all at once, no arguing about it. It makes archviles seem even more like glass hammers.

However if you miss, except for hurting something else, thats like missing with an entire energy cell worth of ammo.

>>3952843
And he shoots, and he scores.
Fatso is down.

(other fatso is firing, and a high speed revenant rpg flew in before I fired)

>>3952825
>more deadly chaingunners with more health, mancubus tier health when ressurected
are you making a mod to compliment final doomer's slightly OP weapons on plutonia?
but seriously though, them having more health and being more deadly feels like it's gonna be death in areas with no cover, are you just making it so that both you and the enemies are overpowered? What are you making anyway?

>>3952817
I've always felt that the Seal/MACVSOG style of the Ithaca M37 is about the best approximation of the Doom shotgun you can get
>horizontal spread
>long magazine tube
>no ejection port on the sides of the receiver

So I'm playing Quake II for the first time and I noticed the recoil mechanic they have on the SMG

Why doesn't Counter-Strike do it this way?
Quake: Your screen actually moves and you have to adjust to keep your reticle on the enemy
CS: Your screen doesn't move, you have to keep an eye on where the bullet pattern is heading away from the reticle

>>3952865
To force you to learn the bullet patterns.

>>3952846
better picture of the explosion

it uses the duke3d explosion sfx and also causes a minor quake, so it feels powerful

>>3952847
in a way yes and no, I sorta changed the balance a little bit

I wanted to make the game harder but in ways that werent immediately obvious, no cheap tricks, give monster authentic special abilities that just happen to make them more dangerous.

For example Pain Elementals dont spit skulls, they spit green clay copies of imps that are tougher but slow. So even though their spawns cant fly, they can still throw fireballs at you, also having a growing mass of green filth moving across the battlefield becomes a force of nature.

When you kill a PE it does spawn 3 skulls, but these skulls dont charge you. They have a low powered archvile fire attack. And if you're close, there's a chance they just spit a fatso fireball right in your face. These are basically Snipers, and I only just now nerfed their toughness since they wasnt taking extra damage from anything before.

> The archvile may be a little weaker, but it also spawns these things at random, even when its not attacking you. And then they just wander around the map. If there's an open area that an archvile is just running around happy in but you cant get to for a long time... it will probably have a cloud of these things floating around in it.
I increased infighting, alot of fireballs cause splash now (a few points, but its enough). However this means if you're down to like 5-10 health as it often happens, a fireball can kill you even if it missed (ie, it hits right next to you on the wall).

Monsters also do Double damage to each other, mostly. So infighting is really effective however dont count on it to last because they'll kill each other quick and still be coming for you.

Due to various cyber infighting setups (eg, PL2 map 20) I made sure they didnt take much extra damage from monsters so that way those fighting matches last just about as long and kill the cyber.

What's the best way to play Wolfenstein 3D? I got lost trying to figure what version to play and there doesn't seem to be any organized place like this thread or Doomworld.

Alternatively perhaps I should stick to Doom and beyond...

What would be a good altfire for a Plasma Rifle-style weapon?

Pic unrelated.

>>3952883
ECWolf for Wolf3D and Noah Arc 3D

>>3952884
Three or four round burst.

>>3952854
That's pretty interesting. What would you say about the Quake shotgun? 20 gauge for fast followup shots? Also maybe small enough to be carried in a holster (since it seems to be Ranger's sidearm?

>>3952884
Railgun is the obvious answer, I think.

>>3952886
Oh shit, this looks nice. Thank you.

>>3952884

fastprojectile beams that do less damage (but speed = 50 or something like that).

for that damage should probably = 3 instead of 5

consequently a good altfire for the BFG would be a rapid blast of 10 plasma shots... I did this once and made it shoot 5 plasma shots as its primary fire and made them emit in an X pattern (so it was sorta like a really big plasma shot), and made the altfire for the bfg act like it normally does.
> it was so perfect that I actually got bored with it.

>>3952865
Because Counter-Strike is a game for people with such severe cases of social autism that even in video games they can't look other people in the eye

>>3952896
This sounds like a /v/ response, not a /vr/ response

>>3952898
it was merely a joke, my friend

>>3952889

I always got the impression the shotguns in Quake were low powered, no way you're firing 12 gauge that fast and with damage that low.

Quake1 shotguns are certainly 20 gauge, if not 28 gauge (since a black ops facility has no problem custom ordering weapons and using funky calibers - as for why a lower powered caliber the followup stability is obvious)

I made a roleplay for quake1 for my custom rpg system that said they used 28 gauge to be less lethal against technicians or test subjects that spazed out so that they could be taken down alive. And some veteran security officers had double barrel shotguns brought in just in case they needed it for something that came through a gate.

Also decided that the nailguns had a beneficial use after all, for quickly erecting structures by having a stronger glorified version of a Hilti stud driver - which could actually be used as a weapon by otherwise unarmed construction crews if they were attacked by native wildlife.

> as a defense contractor they'd have no problem getting around regulations

> take a .357 or 10mm auto casing and stick a big heavy spiked nail in it and make sure it will fly straight, it bolts wood and plastic prefabs together like railroad spikes, it penetrates armor and monster flesh and slashes internals like an arrowhead

and the SNG was a logistical weapon since there were literally hundreds of thousands of these nail munitions stocked, rather than having .308 machineguns they decided to have a special highly reliable gatling built for the elite enforcers to take advantage of (fucktons of ammo) laying around which was nearly as deadly.

>>3952884
a heat venting system consisting of a railgun shot

>>3952884
Railgun or a Spread Attack like Blood's Tommy gun.

>playweapons mod
>doom 3 sound effects

>>3952950
how long until doom 4 sfx replacers come along?

have TNO gunshots even made it in yet?

>monster appears instantly
>happens in every map in the megawad

I want to enjoy Unholy Realms, Speed of Doom and Bloodstain but fuck this mapping trend.
Just place the monsters in the room, teleport them in or use monster closets.
Instant appearing just looks bad and leads to unwanted rocket suicides.

"Oh boy, what new wad or other FPS will I play today?"

>end up playing Ultimate Doom again

there is no escape is there

>>3952976
welcome to my life.

every time i try to play a new FPS i just end up going straight back to doom

>>3952971
Colored/different teleport fog animations when?

>uac's are nice and friendly blue, bit of a pulse, megaman-but-not
>neutral are what we have now
>demonic is a sinister looking red spiral
>secret is pinkish-purple with light blue/cyan bits.

>>3952976
Same shit. Just replay original 3 episodes forever, instead of playing all downloaded wads.

>>3952995
That sounds pretty good actually.
Although flames would make more sense for demon teleport.
Imagine having an empty room burst into flame and then demons walk out of them.

>>3952689
For you, Anon

>>3952976
Play Divine Cybermancy if you haven't already

>>3953041
>You gain brouzouf
>You gain brouzouf
>You gain brouzouf
>You gain brouzouf
>Your leg is Broken
>Armor Maintenance
>My Legs are OK
>You gain brouzouf
>You gain brouzouf
>You gain brouzouf
>You gain brouzouf
>You gain brouzouf...

>>3952884
Ripping plasma cloud.

>>3953034
seems like it fires just fine.

>>3953034
>how do I clean a double barrel shotgun
come on anon

>>3953045
>tfw 3 legs

>>3952380
>>3952437
>>3952790
>As long as you fiddle around with it at some point it should be okay; nobody cares that heavily about it. Just tweak it a bit for variation and you're golden

Copy+paste maps like Tormentor667 stuff and Ultimate Simplicity are really boring and flat and aren't engaging for the player, you're in essence making a snap map.

If you're using copy+paste to give a sense of familiarity to a certain room, object or location, that's fine though.

>>3953056
Well, you have one my legs are ok between them, seems you got one of the 2 legs broken again instead.

The best part of E.Y.E is that Damocles is an initial weapon and is more OP than Arrancadora because it is more usefull.

Damocles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>3952805
>>3952834
>>3952843
>>3952846
>>3952879
Your colour palette's pretty sweet. Or is that the BTSX palette?

>>3953063
>Well, you have one my legs are ok between them, seems you got one of the 2 legs broken again instead.
It's possible to break already broken legs though, I've seen that message 10 times in a row while being stuck inside physics props

>>3952542
>second post in and it's a /v/ meme
>7 replies counting mine

>>3953054
>Anon was talking about how doom did weapon design
come on anon

>>3953078
>Implying we're not near the end of 2010 decade already and games from the early 2000s does not count as retro.

Dude seriously, quit the 90s pls.

>>3953045
I smell feds

what do you call this

>>3953087
I was specifically talking about one of the new trendy /v/ memes of greentexting a sentence and cutting it off at the end with a -
I come to /vr/ to take a braek from /v/'s bullshit.

>>3953083
>nothing to do with what I said
what are you waiting for, christmas

>>3953092
IT'S FUN TO STAY AT THE

WHYYYYYYY
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SEE
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>>3953090
FUCKING JIANS.

Though i remember when i first ran the game, reached the Mars level and get my ass destroyed but Federation Interceptiors every time, there was also the Deus Ex Machinae there to enforce you will be destroyed in all the 9 times you resurrectors brings you back.

Then i discovered Víndico TRK-10 that two-shot all heavy armor there and was like...

>>3953094
Well, the small headed Reinhardt "Hold the fuck up" isn't from there as well? I don't go to /v/ but guessing it is a Overwatch meme, i'm pretty sure it's /v/ related.

>>3953101
Have you discovered the beauty of FULLER AUTO fire?
and could you imagine if you could dual wield them

>>3953102
Reaction images don't bother me but when I start seeing actual /v/ posting habits here it really grims my fandangos. I just want to believe that /vr/ is a better place than that.

Did I ask for this palette?

What if there was a conjoined enemy that when gibbed, gave to a fountain of two different blood colors?

>>3953103
YES! But i wish Bear Killer 444K had that.

Then i could really play Metal Slug in the ending level and wreck every E.Y.E Master there.

>>3953083
we don't need to sorry about how he aims with it because it's a fucking shotgun. he even closes in with the altfire.

we don't need to care about it breaking because he hits shit in the face with it a lot on a regular playthrough.

we don't need to worry about maintenance because, again, double barrel shotguns aren't hard at all to clean or manipulate in general terms. shit, the thing is blood splattered when you first find it.

whereas the SMG in doom 3 is a peashooter that looks like a P90 with 'tism

>>3952976
Time to play freedoom on crispy doom. It will feel like playing doom for the first time all over again. UV and no saves if you're not a pussy... prepare to get your ass handed to you though.

>>3953090

>>3953110
>not carrying nothing but a medkit
>not cloaking past everyone and casting madness on the 4 pillars
>not hacking the interceptor to mop up the conga line
>not then hacking both rimanah's guards to kill him without entering the room

>>3953094
that's been around for a long time, it's not a /v/-specific meme

>>3953126
At first run you will not think in all of this at once anon, i just wanted my revenge for Rimanah burning me alive because of that in the worst way.

>>3953114
>we don't need to care about it breaking
He literally picks up the shotgun for the first time and snaps it in half to put shells in it, Anon. the lever is completely untouched and now the shotgun is left broken open forever.

>>3953137
doomguy snapping a shotgun open isn't really comparable to the horrid design language the SMG in doom 3 has.

doom3guy uses a flashlight as a weapon, anon.

>>3953142
>doom3guy uses a flashlight as a weapon, anon.
You ever been hit in the face with a maglite? Shit hurts dude.

>>3953087
You may want to re-read the sticky.

>>3953147
sounds like a mag-nificent experience

i have no knowledge of quake modding
do people use the first or second expansion as a basis for their maps, in terms of what weapons they would have?

>>3953148
I am aware of that, but the rule will eventually become elitism from the moment it doesn't consider how much time has passed instead of fixing all stuff from the 90s or earlier.

We all remembers these things as retro because we all see them when we were kids, but times gets us evetually, in the future that little Minecraft kids will remember that as Doom is for us despite being a mere Sandbox game.

I wonder if 4chan will keep that sticky the same way when we reach 2020.

>>3953161
>>3953148
>>3953087

This has been the only good post on the subject, ever.

>>3953152
people either use vanilla or Arcane Dimensions as a basis. I dont think many people use the expansions as a basis for modding...

well this didn't work out well

>>3952567
i never played RoE outside of the BFG edition and i was able to beat the whole game with the SSG & grabber

was it that bad orginally?

>>3953173
looks like magneto

>>3953173
It will look good once the legs are made less geometric. The original legs are just too clunky.

>>3953196
That's not the problem, the problem is the clashing between the added-head piece of the original Spider-Mastermind face

>>3953167
Yeah Newton's third law can work for opinions.

The first paragraph is what happens with me here every time i mention anything from my mod which has the Inverse Concept here and the anon with the Captain Foot Fetish jpeg appears in a hope to bother me, as for the second paragraph, it clearly says that there are the people who accepts evolution and the other who wants to stick into their age, it's the GZDoom/"Any other source port which tried to evolve Doom's graphics" haters here basically.

Doom 3 for me is retro already because it has more than 10 years, but well i am not here to break the rules then alright, i apologize for saying to the anon get out os the 90s if that is the case.

>>3953174
From what i remember, SSG was better than SG, though it wastes you ammo very quick if you don't know the right moment to use it instead of using the other weapons, grabber is case is a good alternative since infinite ammo and the ability to kill the forgottens or other mobs by throwing back their projectiles.

>>3952542
The spread isn't that bad in Doom 3. If I didn't just shut off my computer I would post a pic of vanilla doom 3 shotgun spread. Also playing Deathmatch makes you realize how strong most of the weapons in D3 really are although they can be very situational.

>>3952865
Play Action Quake 2 and cry when you realize CS could have been like it instead of the faggotry it is now. Learn to strafe jump as well.

>>3953220
>The spread isn't that bad
it's still terrible

>>3953231
It's very situational for sure but not terrible. It's devastating at close range and because of that it's useful until the end of the game.

>>3953231
>>3953239

IIRC a well placed pointblank headshot can hitkill a Hellknight.

>>3953239
Also the rocket launcher in D3 is overpowered. I don't understand how id has gotten rocket launchers right for years but the one in quake champs is fucked.

>>3953219
>and the anon with the Captain Foot Fetish jpeg appears in a hope to bother me

I thought that was entirely for fun.
The idea of him wearing a nautical hat as a captain and yelling "TOOT TOOT ALL ABOARD" is hilarious to me.

>>3953253
When he posted it the third time in the last thread i noticed it was for that, though he quoted the other anon in that discussion, i was the one who mentioned Cooke, he quoted the THICC dude, lmao.

For that image i was thinking in pick a boat model and really turn that meme into a thing, but nah too much work for a self-shame meme.

>>3953249
I don't rmb RL being all that ultimate weapon against the mobs, Mancubi, Hellknights and Revenants were pretty tanky to it.

>>3953257

Eh.
People are gonna be upset at something, no matter what, even if they have to make up a reason.
For what it's worth, it's not my thing but I like playing Hunter's Moon so I don't really care about it.

>>3953263

And for people like you i have the reason to tone down that shit and restrict it to specific monsters, that way it keeps you more motivated to play it instead of make the picture's reaction.

>>3953267(me)

Shit i derailed the thread again, fug.

Well up to me re-rail it, OKAY BOIS has anyone here ever heard about this mod? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhxpvonRTXY

>>3953275

Yeah, I played it with a friend (Zael) and another guy.
Wasn't too impressed with it at the time, but I wonder if he's changed it up since.

>>3953173

hey, at least you can't say it wasn't attempted.

the shading from the d4 model is what's killing this proof-of-concept

>>3953313
the doom 4 bit was taken very quickly from a google image search just to see how it looked

i don't think i'll keep it

i'm starting to see why there aren't a lot of spiderdemon edits

>>3953297
I never played it, but from what i've seen since 2014, the mod is still pretty much the same in the recent videos like this one, however i liked the concept and all but the soundtrack, that PSO musics makes the game more like Metal Slug instead of Doom, but it's still Doom there because Doom 3 monsters and weapons, lol.

>>3953204
Looks fine to me

the mastermind is such a shitty fucking monster it's hard to believe
like it can get completely gimped by a couple of chaingunners
in fact once i even saw her get killed by a bunch of fuckin spectres. the biggest cuck in the doom bestiary desu

>>3953345
At least the Mastermind can hit things when given the chance

The spectre/pinky both have no range and have issues biting a monster if it's just walking away

placeholder sprites but the gameplay is rollin' https://my.mixtape.moe/rziaua.webm

>>3953512
h-he's fast

>>3953512
>Low health!
That's like 3 mods so far I've seen this in (Lithium, MetaDoom, yours), where's it coming from?

>>3953570
Doom 4

>>3953512
Shouldn't the Summoner have a different fire attack?
He looks OP here

>>3953512
looks nice, actually a decent midboss
but can break a lot of stuff
place him in closets, anon

>>3953345
Generals do not win street fights
Although I agree, traditional mastermind needs some buffs

This was a good idea

https://my.mixtape.moe/kbcyeo.webm

>>3953512
Where will you get the appropriate sprites?
I thought the placeholder ones would have been one of the Archies from RPG

>>3953345
Mastermind is a very strange boss that's only as effective as the arena and the player's current weapons allow her to be.

I think she works better as an early boss instead of the final one. Have her show up before the Cyberdemon but either reduce her to a supporting role or slowly phase her out entirely as the maps go on.

>>3953647
I dunno! Hopefully I won't have to suck too much cock to get some good sprites!

Proper Doom 4 art ripping tools are getting released very soon, maybe I can use those to finangle something up.

>>3953663
very soon?
Like in a week?

>>3953682
Word from the dude making them was "very soon now, maybe even today"

https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1519102&p=52157534&viewfull=1#post52157534

>>3953686
We're getting closer and closer to proper NuDoom modding.

Could version 4 of MetaDoom feature the heart thing from the D3 expansion?

What's the deal with project leads who have no faith in themselves and second guess so damn much? My interest has been peaked by two projects now only for the lead to fucking ruin my hopes by constantly changing them because of what some other people have said.

>>3953705
I don't know. Could it?

>>3953824
Which projects were they?

>>3953832
Doom the Way You Did, and the Cabrini Green Housing project. Doom the Way You Did was canceled because the dude was an impatient teenager who kept switching source ports and changing the number of maps. The Cabrini Green Housing project was already doomed from the start because the guy decides to bring up some crap about how there might be issues because the enemies will be Black criminals, outing himself as someone whose balls have been lost in an unfortunate industrial accident.

>>3953825
Are there sprites for it?

>>3953841
I haven't heard of either of those, what was doom the way you did gonna be like?

>>3953845
Remake a level from any of the official Doom games, ports and/or Iwads in your own style. It was an interesting idea, I wanted to see the inevitable one guy remake one of the castle levels from No Rest for the Living.

>>3953825
dammit kinsie stop breaking UAC property
that comes out of the martian taxpayer's money

>>3953825
I found this https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=48700
Maybe this could help?

does anybody have that modtracker music collection? just got through listening to the T2 genesis ost & i want more

>>3953926
nvm i went through the archive & got it

>>3953931
Now I am interested

Shy is no rest for the living so good

Also somewhat insightful watching the maker of the first map go over the design on youtube, even though he is annoying at times and showcases the map in brutal doom (?) he has a logical approach to mapping and some good tips surprised the vid isnt more popular

>>3953938
Where's the video?

>>3953940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coH6W9Sytb4&feature=youtu.be

>>3953940
>>3953946
skip the first few minutes until he's in the editor its just him being a faggot on camera until then

>>3953934
>link 404'ed

jumped the gun again, now i really need the link

>>3953948
>>3953934
i found it i just had to scroll down, ignore my retardation

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m97pdnveq4qtcg4/Module%20Music.zip?dl=1

>>3953956
thanks anon

>>3953687
Maybe then we'll have KDIZD4

Jesus Christ what is happening with return to castle wolfenstein? I'm getting low fps at random and it's nigh fucking unplayable.

>>3953978
KDIZD4
Where's KDIZD2 and KDIZD3?

>>3954007
He's sarcastically refering to never released Shores of Zdoom and Zdoom Inferno(?), aka KDZID 2 & 3
Why weren't they released by the way?
I definitely remember some map previews

How tricky is it to yank a single map out of a megawad and rename it to MAP30 into its own .wad file?

>>3954071
Not at all.

>>3954112
What would I need to make it happen? I've got slade and doombuilder installed, but I have no idea what keeps doom maps intact and what determines which level they ought to replace. I'm a total newbie with this.

Taking a glance through slade, I'm not sure what to copy or change:

>>3954071
if you can't do something that easy then just give up

>>3954143
Delete everything except all map30 lumps, and any changed music/whatever (for oblige that would be a few textures and skies and shit)

>>3954159
Thanks, that narrows it down a bit, but I one thing I'm still not sure about:

To change, say MAP05 to become MAP30, would just renaming the map marker be enough or do I need to open that map in Doom Builder or something?

>>3954169
Renaming it should be fine, to my knowledge.

Thinking of playing good ol' Doom in co-op with a buddy. Any good mods or even just cvars that would make co-op a better experience? Also, any particularly fun mapsets to play in co-op?

>>3953067
its a custom palette I made

as a result it means that all the vanilla gfx and map textures had to be converted to .png, resulting in several .pk3s that have to be loaded.

but it was worth the effort

I posted a blurb about it in zdoom forums, more or less I reduced the number of colors available from the standard fare. Made some of the color bands accommodate the desaturated tones. It produces "some" color inaccuracy, but when you're running around it doesn't matter much. Kinda helps the retro feel of it anyway, the vanilla palette focuses too much saturation on alot of things.

Comfy and necessary additions to the palette were possible - teal, firey orange, sky blue (yes actual sky colors). And a slightly expanded pink range.

>>3954183
The good news is I can, for fun, drop in any other palette I want from other games and see how it plays, with all of its own quirks and issues.

Ive been meaning to try the one for rollercoaster tycoon 2 (pic). Though since im making use of translations that would screw up those things.

>>3954178
Thank you. Thats way easier than I thought it would be. I was already thinking I'd have to jump through multiple hoops just to get one map transplanted in the level order.

>>3954183
oh thats right, ive also got an olive yellow in there now, as ugly a color as it is it works great for alot of Black+Yellow computerized stuff

about the only thing really impacted by this palette are the pink tones for the regular demons, but since I replaced them that issue isnt a thing

> ettins from hexen, they do lunging attacks, and they also toss arcing fireballs like the doom3 imps so even if they accidentally jump off a ledge or they're stampeding in a pit, they can still threaten you.
> spectres are just a darker colored version that requires a guaranteed 2 ssg blasts to kill, none of us were really fooled by the invisiblity effect so I just made them visible.

barons are hellish red colored now, pic related, the red fire is spawned because they do (A_Wander) teleports, only just enough to make them a worthy challenge.

hell knights are this black upright walking panther thing that I just loved (borrowing)


>>3953948

* Half Life has the hive hand

* Now we have the Shark Hand, the ultimate melee weapon

>>3954007
>>3953978
>>3954032
This and saying "Knee deep in (z)doom 4""

Does Lithium play nice with DoomRLA?

>>3954183
>as a result it means that all the vanilla gfx and map textures had to be converted to .png, resulting in several .pk3s that have to be loaded.
I've missed - what mod are you making again? And can you upload these converted pk3s, please?

>>3952976
Play Borderlands 1 and 2.

Use item editors to make interesting weapons (if not plain OP ones if that's your thing) - I guarantee that this makes the game 300% more fun and entertaining. I remember spending several days just fiddling with the system to see what wicked guns could I make.

Borderlands 1 has more boring and generic guns than 2nd, however they still manage to feel fairly different, and it was not written by Burch whihc is a big plus.

Example of a gun that I did not made, but acktually fell out due to RNG. Looks amusing, even if it's not even half as powerful as the rest of my arsenal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOVOxUowBKs

2nd was written by Burch but it's not as bad as you might expect since he didnt went full SJW retard at that time yet. Weapon manufacturers have much bigger impact on the weapon behaviour, look and feel, and instead of simply increased stats the legendaries and uniques you get from quests each have some unique effect.

Like a shotgun that upon reloading flies out of your hands and starts chasing and shooting your enemies,
or a gun that gives you random buffs upon reload (but removes the previous one) each tremendously altering how it works,
Or a shotgun that shoots pellets in a heart-shape, becomes more accurate as you hold the trigger and also heals you a bit.
Or a Sniper rifle with pacifistic AI that berates you for every kill
Or a cursed SMG that screams as you fire it, and if you use it long enough your other weapons start to scream as well

And loads of other cool stuff http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Weapon_Effects_(Borderlands_2)


The Presequel was written by Burch after he went full retard and is terrible unless you can close your eyes (or rather ears) to the terrible writing and just enjoy the gameplay whihc is the same as in 2, but with fixes to the system


I actually was planning to replay the whole series somewhen soon and was looking for someone to play with through Tunngle (yes I pirate)

>>3954235
(cacos being fired on by devastator-like mini missiles)

Its a personal flavor mod, I call it simple terror for lack of a better name (as with most mods). Just another way to play the game, no general theme.

I uploaded a version but it was tacky held together with duct tape. Ive got a more stable and complete version now I can throw on mega I suppose. Ive got to write a readme for it.

Is Plutonia "hard for its time" or is it really just fuckin hard? I'm UV pistol starting it, and I don't know if it's a bitch for everyone, or if I'm just bad.

>>3954232
i requisitioned kins on that, he made a patch compatible with it, but he was worried that yholl would would come @ him with sharp things since he was polishing up the new version

>>3954264
it's above average difficulty. for a doom babby that means unbeatable. stay away from it, best advice I can give. stick to E1 Doom and declare it the best at all times. pat yourself on the back for every retarded lumbering imp you kill in those big empty rooms.

>>3954264
compared to modern wads its like a 6/7 on difficulty where something like speed of doom would be a 9
but for its time yes it was top of the line

r&i

>>3954274

>>3954179
Zandronum has an option for servers where you can set a percentage of monsters in a level that must be killed before you can exit.

I usually give me and my friends 3 lives each and we have to kill ~75% of the monsters in the level. This rule also circumvents any sequence break issues caused by jumping or crouching, because we still have to essentially play the whole map to kill that many monsters.

>>3954286
Don't give DKG attention.

>>3954245
Ah yeah, I played 2 before. It was nice.

>>3954279
where would you say sunder lays

>>3954295
1st is better in some regards, mainly writing and subtle dark humor. Really hope 3-d will return to it since they kicked burch.

>>3953824

People ignore criticism, he's arrogant and doesn't listen to input.
People take too much criticism, he has no faith and project is ruined.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

>>3954298
ive never played it

>>3954289
stop insisting every shitposter is DKG

>>3954179
Brutal Doom's Hell on Earth Starter Pack seemed like a hella fun time in coop. I've seen about a dozen people play one of the latter hell assault missions and it looked pretty epic.

>>3954289
>UGH HES NOT DKG LEAVE HIM ALONE

>>3954271
Is that patch floating around anywhere?

>>3954313
Why do you have to be so negative?

>>3954298
I get the impression it's like 10 or something (though I haven't played it, Plutonia is about as many monsters at a time as I feel is fun).

Beyond that it seems you're getting into Kaizo territory.
Actually has anyone made a Kaizo tier wad? Like it's basically bullshit rote memorization where the author sets you up for failure at every step if your memory isn't perfect.

>>3954313

He's probably not DKG, yeah, but how does that translate into leave him alone?

>>3954313

You're a dumbass.

>>3954264
It's harder than the base game, as just like Episode 4 of Doom, it was a response to how the original three episodes and Doom 2 were too easy (and let's face it, they're not exactly very challenging, even on UV).

I think it's a pretty good benchmark, if you can make it through Plutonia without too much difficulty or frustration, I'd say you're an advanced player.

>>3954274
Fuck you, smarmy faggot, it's happening. MAP07 now.

>>3954279
Where are the original IWADs? Or at least Episode 4?

>>3954326
I'm excited to get some gitgud muscles. I felt like Ep 4 is just about perfect in difficulty for me, and this is definitely a weight higher, but it's still more fun than I expected I would have. What would you call "too much difficulty or frustration?"

Also, every time I go to play TNT, I just get bored. Is it good and I'm just missing something? Does it get really good later?

>>3954334
doom 1 eps 1-3 are like a 4
ep 4 is probably a 6
doom 2 is probably a 5
i barely remember anything about tnt other than that i didnt like it

>>3954334
Last time I played TNT I really liked the beginning up until about the middle but then I just got bored and dropped it. This seems to happen every time.

I also can't stand TNT's music so I play Slayer instead, like I do with most custom wads with custom music.

>>3954334
>I felt like Ep 4 is just about perfect in difficulty for me
Then you're better than me, E4M2 always chaps my ass.

>Also, every time I go to play TNT, I just get bored. Is it good and I'm just missing something?
Some people like it, some people don't, I personally quite enjoy the atmosphere and music. Level design feels a bit more uneven and less thought out, a couple of the later maps are terrible, a couple of the early maps I think are nice.

Is this the closet we'll ever get to Sin City?

>>3954334
map07
the eternal wakeup call
if you've been getting by on luck, your luck just ran out

just about any mod worth its salt does something harsh at map 7, I mean its like btsx those spider bosses are everywhere <blocks your path> style

memento mori is one of the few that doesnt, but MM map07 is still fairly harsh because of that maze with the nobles in it

>>3954324
don't you have an ass to clean?

>>3954387
Don't you have a paper to write.

>>3954306
what if we don't, DKG?

>>3954334
first maps of TNT are good, about half way through maybe sooner it becomes shit

>>3954313
>duhh stop correctly identifying people by their posting habits

>>3954319
>>3954323
>>3954324
>>3954403

>>3954306
I don't think he's being serious.

>>3953512
Where's your HUD, bud?

>>3952594

WHAT IS THIS WHAT??!

>>3954403
>correctly identifying
nope

>>3954372
No.
Here, grab this.
https://mega.nz/#!YpV0nK5S!VESLaJxM7vo_F12uIvjoCNCXvs6NS1x0V7oHLG0Q4o8

>>3954432
on strike

>>3954438
Adventures of Square with Complex Doom

>>3954343
Let me be clear that "perfect" still means "fuckin hard, not going to beat in one or even four tries." E4M2 and E4M6 are cocksuckers, but I love them because of their elegance. They're hard as shit, but their difficulty comes from just enough resources, just enough maneuverability, and just enough monsters to be a real squeeze without necessarily dropping you into instant death situations like, say, 12 fuckin chaingunners surrounding you in Plutonia MAP05. It's at least theoretically possible to figure out what to do on your first try, it just demands that you can pull it off. (Well, at least M2.)

That said, Plutonia seems to carry on that idea of elegance; the maps are all real tough, but none have gone over 100 monsters, or even 90. I think I'm gonna come to like it a lot.

>>3954378
Just beat it after like five or six tries. Dead Simple in half the size, with eight revenants and a fucking teleporting archvile. What a bitch, but what fun.

Why has no one made it so the Skull-Key part of your HUD is the Skull-Keys impaled on a stick?

>>3954548
that sounds dumb

>>3954548

It...wouldn't really fit on the default HUD.
You'd have to make a custom HUD, and even then it'd probably not fit any of the technocyber HUDs that almost every mod uses nowadays.

>>3954549
I will slap you

>>3954549
>>3954551
Original Idea-Anon here, please don't fight over my idea.

really

theres no addon packs for Oblige? i want some System shock + metroid shit

Brutalist + Ketchup
Simple butt fun

Also, fuck Mark and his 0.l thing

>>3954558
what is brutalist?

>>3954557
Not really.

>>3954561
Nearly all textures are replaced with concrete

>>3954558
Brutalist is surprisingly moody.

As a jokewad, it's terrible, but the palette and concrete-everywhere aesthetic make it wonderful for darker gameplay mods like Hideous Destructor and SUAB.

>>3954561
A miserable little pile of desaturated textures!

>>3954561
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/combos/brutalst

>>3954567
>>3954570
>>3954575
oh, uh

that's a certainly interesting

>>3954569
It's not a jokewad, it's a resource mod.

>>3952542
I would one hit imps and sargents up close without taking a hit. Shotgun gets a bad rap because no'one knows how to play game.

>>3954569
Honestly I don't think it's really varied enough, E2 has plenty of concrete slats already to look at.

>>3954587
The thing is that the Doom 3 Shotgun makes sense within Doom 3, given that most of the game's combat is close-quarters and thus it's perfect for the closet jumpin' imps the game won't stop trying to surprise you with.

Compared to the classic Doom shotgun, or even Doom 4's, however, it comes off as lacking at anything but point-blank, and when battles involve gunners at a distance or other types of ranged encounters, unlike the versatile shotguns of the past you kind of have no choice but to go for the rockets, plasma or machinegun/chaingun. It absolutely sucks past its recommended range.

plus i personally prefer the alpha shotgun model

>>3954587
No, it's really bad.
Most videogames have an unrealistically large spread for shotguns, and the Doom 3 shotgun has a spread considered obscene by videogame standards.
It's barely even a ranged weapon, if I'm gonna get up close and personal I'll be using the saw which does way more DPS, more stun, and doesn't need to reload.

I'll always give the Doom 3 shotgun points for one thing however; if there's space in the magazine for at least 2 shells, the player will load 2 shells at a time, which is a very good idea to make the gun faster to handle, everyone who does shotgun reloading for Doom mods should use this feature.

>>3954587
>imps and sergeants
it's funny, I would do the same.

guess what though, it's still a shit gun and any other weapon is infinitely more reliable, but that's not saying much.

>>3954569
Speaking of SUAB, has anyone made a mod with just the monsters? I like those.

>>3954587

>>3954621
ispook did but given chronoteeth threw the biggest fucking tantrum about what he was doing with the mod, i'm sure he's a bit shy about sharing it

>>3954648
Eh? What happened?

>>3954652
secondhand information, but

>chronoteeth releases SUAB as "people are allowed to use this as a basis for their mods or modifies this as they want"
>spook decides to modify it
>chronoteeth says "i didn't actually mean that and i want you to go through me"
>spook says ok and starts messaging him about things
>chronoteeth insists every single change to the mod be run through him
>says that the mod should stop being posted on 4chan
>after like three releases with this bullshit, spook decides to branch away and instead of porting SUAB make it a different thing from the original
>chronoteeth gets upset that his input is being "ignored" and that his work is being "disrespected"
>spook hasn't really made a mod ever since

>>3954641
That guy is shooting over their heads. And they're smaller. Get closer. Kills them gently on the forehead to reassure them that death isn't so bad.

>>3954667
Damn shame. I really liked Ispook's work.
Hopefully he picks something up again, that didn't deserve to happen to him.

>>3954667
I hope that cunt gets beaten.

>>3954667

If true, that's pretty fucked up.

Either way, I really liked the ZDoom SUAB, especially when it split off from the shitty EDGE limitations. I'd want to see more of that sort of thing.

>>3954671
>get closer
it's a fucking shotgun and they're a foot away, even if he wasn't "shooting over their heads" (he does so more on the second shot, but the first should be fairly on-point with the central body mass), you can see the shell spread pretty much going everywhere but the cherub besides a pellet or two hitting them

that's kind of the problem people are pointing out, the fact that the shotgun's spread is so ridiculously high that the gun effectively has to be kissing the enemy for an assured kill, which is bad when these types of enemies are melee-focused

>>3954667
Trad-forum cucks and their peer pressure politics and endless raging about muh credits, not even once.

>>3954557
there's Glaice's and the spellforce (?) one an anon did a while ago, but that's about it.

>>3954641
>shotgun with a spread that can cover an entire room
>still misses at a point blank range
Glorious

>>3954680
Sounds like you need to get better at the game, really. Or maybe at least stop shitting up the thread with bait.

Besides, he clearly should've crouched.

>>3954641
What are these vids supposed to prove other than the fact that whoever is playing sucks? Reminds me of those Quake 1 and 2 bait webms.

>>3954693
>get better at the game
like clockwork

>>3954587
theres no reason to do that when you could just use any of the other weapons at a reasonable range
the machine gun dominates most of the game

>>3954667
That's upsetting, considering the potential of the bestiary (and some of the other resources) are worth more than the mod itself.

>>3954693
But the chainsaw is better than the shotgun in every way.

>>3954698
you missed the point so bad

are you the shotgun?

>>3954718

I'll have you know I identify as a Colt Revolving Rifle.

>>3954720
you're a big gun

>>3954720
epic

>>3954720
Your lockwork is weak and your cylinder gap hurts people's arms when they shoot you.

>>3954718
no i'm just not bad at videogames

>>3954724

For you.

>>3954727
i agree, they're good guns

need more in vidya

>>3954720
Not the same gun, but it's something.

>>3954667
Goddammit, Spook's too good for this guy.

>>3954728

Come on, man, why you gotta be a hater.

>>3954737
Careful now, you don't want to rust.

>>3954734
>doomguy's left hand afterwards

>>3954743
There's a little shield there that safely redirects the blast back towards his face.

>pickup sprite for ants

Realms of the Haunting port to Doom when?

>>3954758

I'm not too familiar with the game, but from what I gather it's actually more of a point-and-click adventure rather than a shooter.
Has there ever been a point-and-click engine released for GZDoom?

>>3954729
congratulations for being extra good at rooty tooty point and shooty

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=56076
>the entire thread

>>3954758
Didn't that game turn to shit like halfway through?

>>3954773
> I guess I'll just have to keep an eye out for Duke: Major Crisis instead.

BabyRage

>>3954773
To tired after class to get it, explain?

Which map editor is better these days? Which is more recent.
DoomBuilder 2 or GZDoomBuilder?

>>3954796
He posted a mod, others posted about how some things could be changed, and he threw a shitfit.

>>3954796
Person releases mod, mod gets feedback, mod creator takes it as attacks and Leaves Forever.

>>3954796
>OSJC makes a decent, if flawed mod
>People give constructive criticism on how to fix said flaws
>autistic shitfit ensues
>claims people are "trashing" the mod and being excessively negative
>ragequits forums
>the end

>>3954770
congrats on being bad and proud of it

>>3954773
The thread in a nutshell: https://youtu.be/XBhY347jmgI?t=40s

>>3954808
it's ok dude take my money and my keys and all just don't reply again I don't want to be embarrassed

>>3954808
you got the Last Reply!

>this item needs to be activated to use it.

>>3954818
this reminded me

I want to make a sound replacement mod for quake where the quad sound is replaced by Vinny going WEEH

>>3954808

You know it.

This was fun.

>>3954803
>>3954804
>>3954807
and nothing of value was lost.

>>3954847
and this is what he looked like before

>>3954484

I think that one is called "caughtyard"?

where you've got to run down that outcropping in order to get the yellow skull?

Actually alot of times its the fatsos that kill me in that one. Either that or the -one- hell knight that pops in when you flip the switch upstairs because he totally <blocks your path> and im about half dead by then.

>>3954847
>>3954852

Never stop, you glorious bastard.

Every fucking time I try to make DarkXL work, it fucking crashes.

>>3954850
>>3954807
If you can't get through your thick skull (You) =/= your work then you have no place in any kind of creative endeavors, consider being a sewage worker instead okthnx

>>3954807
Strange thing is, I wanted to give the dude the benefit of the doubt, since I thought it was okay, but with that attitude, fuck him. Unless he decides to shape up and drops his balls, he should stay out of any community that isn't a MOBA.

nudoom tool done. say hi to revenant.
http://aviacreations.com/wraith/

>>3954897
Thank angry skelington

>>3954897
thank mr skeltal

What are some reasons as to why a SNDSEQ entry wouldn't play a sound?

>>3954897
Oh my lawd

>>3954897
>can now replicate the SSG classic reload with autodesk

After days in a slump I'm FINALLY making decent progress.

>>3954773
Man... I used to love seeing Brendan Frasier in movies. Shame everything went tits up for him in recent years.

I'm still hoping for a come back.

>>3953169
Which is a pity, the laser cannon is pretty baller.

>>3954897
can anyone try and extract the sounds from the resources file?

Should I get GZDoom or ZDoom?

>>3955043
get prboom+

>>3955045
But all the new hot mods won't work

>>3955043
ZDoom is dead, GZDoom for hardware renderer or QZDoom for software renderer.

>>3955047
prboom+ for vanilla-boom
gzdoom for mods and zdoom stuff

>>3954235
>>3954257
>>3954220
>>3954183
>>3953067
>>3952879
>>3952815

Here's the mod if you wanna try it.

https://mega.nz/#!yoJn0LzL!BECX280CzEB-dO3YjQc5mFiAxqXrpUfCt9Q3fPqNVWA

I think the inspiration for this, if it came from anywhere was Ghosts N' Goblins, I wanted to make monsters more dangerous without being overpowered, turn them into demonic spiders so to speak.

The only OP monster in the deck right now is the chaingunner just because of how often they're spammed in maps. If I can figure out how to get his inaccuracy up without spraying all over the place (with every shot) that would be fixed. I may need to extend their "close" range further so that they rotate around rather than focus straight on you.

> at least chaingun drops give you lots of ammo, itll be hard to run out of bullets.

>>3955043
>>3955051

Actually GZdoom works fine in software renderer too.

Ive tried QZdoom and for some reason the pixel ratios are all off even though ive got it set to 640x400. So I dropped that and tried GZ and the software mode works fine it seems.

>dual pistol
>dual SMG
>you know what? fuck it, let's dual everything
JUST

>>3955221
what if DUEL FIST-wait

>>3955221
can't wait for this to be added to purist mode

>>3955221
is there even a sole reason to keep on playing the original brutal doom in this day and age?

>>3955228
Brutal Doom is going to get a better clean up system from what we've seen in the update video.
Wish it could get ported over to Johnny "3 FPS at the end of a level" Doom

Not sure if I should stick to two or four lightbands for this.

what's up with mark and his obsession with blood janitors anyways

>>3955045
What are the advantages of prboom+? I'm not a speed runner and don't plan to record demos.

>>3955243
Brutal Doom is a bit of a performance hog, due to all the actor spam.

>>3955245
It's much faster for larger maps and benchmarks like Nuts and Planisphere 2

>>3955245
its the best engine for playing more vanillay wads
gzdoom (and zdoom i think but i havent played it in a while) has movement smoothing or something that makes moving a around feel different and more slippery
also it generally runs far better though you might not have to worry about that depending on your computer

>>3955241
Two Lightband version

>>3955252
>>3955253
I have a literal toaster, so consider me interested.

Am I a loser if I like the single shotgun more than the double shotgun?

>>3955258
The regular shotgun is one of my favorite vidya weapons

>>3955253
>its the best engine for playing more vanillay wads

Crispy Doom is even better.

>>3955280
Zdoom with smooth doom is even better than crispy doom, but it's zdoom, so autismal purists are gonna sperg

In fact, smooth doom + scythe + ketchup is pretty much the comfiest doom

>>3955018
Sound extraction is a known science. You can find the details - and the sorting program - here: https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1519102&p=51503160&viewfull=1#post51503160

Some things worth keeping in mind:

1.) Riveal will fuck up the sounds and add a horrible distortion effect. I took the slow and painful method of extracting from each bank manually with Ravioli Extractor, then using wwise_ima_adpcm.exe with a batch file to convert nearly all of the sounds from whatever horrible thing WWISE uses to WAV.

2.) The actual file he's referring to is soundbanksinfo.xml, not .txt. Also, because his utility was written in Game Maker of all the sodding things, it'll be slow and the tool will appear to be unresponsive while it works.

3.) Many of the sounds have more than two channels, which will stop them from playing in Winamp. (Am I the only person who still uses Winamp?) You'll want to use something else for listening to them. I use Goldwave.

Have fun poking around literally gigabytes of haphazardly organised audio!

hahaha fuck DoomWorld assholes nothing but pussies in there: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93572-the-dwironman-league-dies-to-mapgame/?do=findComment&comment=1742624

https://pastebin.com/3qBLfRBV

I saw this in there speedrun discord server just proving my point......... couple of skilled speedrunners saying this guy cheats too. what a bunch of idiot fags

>>3955363
Fuck off with your imported drama, you fucking subhuman.

>>3955117
>Chaingunners randomly spawn instead of pistol zombies
>Chaingunners randomly spawn instead of chainguns
That's reallllly not good when the player doesn't have any items yet. I guess I'll just have to keep it in mind.

When making a map, do you prefer to plan your monster placements as you make your rooms, or wait until the map is complete and then fill it up?

>>3955117
>>3955376
Also is there a reason the 1 weapon slot isn't used for anything at all?

It's a fun little mod at any rate, thank you for sharing it.

>>3955368
oi, what just happened?

>>3955427
Someone trying to bring drama over to here.

>>3955429
Is he seriously still posting that SArais image macro? Anon seriously needs to seek help if he's obsessing over that degeneracy.

>>3955432
Speedrun drama.

>>3955434
>speedrun
What? Literally who the fuck cares, then?

>>3955432
a bit eater to jump to that conclusion, aren't you

>>3955445
You, apparently, since you were so curious about it.

I wish we could get a proper DooM Beat'em up.

>>3955458
>>3955461
I mean, who the fuck cares, why even have drama over a speedrun?

>>3955483
>beat em up
Those are nice
>1st person
Uhh, okay, that could work after some serious animation work
>2.5D
Stretching it

These spinning lights look like shit. References?

>playing a wad
>it goes full retard like 70% through
stop this

>>3955483
First person melee combat is hard enough for actual programmers and animators to do right.

>>3955589
Not really, the problem is keep camera stability to not drive the player into a full motion sickness and screen shaking.

The thing is, the "First Person" element needs to be real, the camera needs to stay in the character's head in the front like Mirror's Edge does so the animations made for the character are universal, from the player's whos controlling the character as well for all other viewers in the environment, though the problem with that is that the camera will require maximum stability otherwise animations made in hack'n'slash style for example can literally make the player completely confused about directions.

>>3955589
gmota and demonsteele are the only ones that have really done it right, i m o, and that's partially because of how fast they are

Where the fuck is the YELLOW firestick and torch?

>>3955601
in china

>>3955594
Dark Messiah came out 2 yerars before mirrors edge and to my mind was the first game with "full body awareness". Without out, yeah, melee is just a gun with 0 range.

>>3955610
I've never played Dark Messiah, i just use Mirror's Edge as an example to be followed, not saying it is the first game which actually did that.

>>3955604
assholes like this fucker on my head

>>3955617
>I've never played Dark Messiah
It can be described as a 1st person brawler (actually more throwing barrels and kicking people into fires simulator) and it's breddy good. What's your excuse.

>>3955617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnxgQMSsc8c
This is all you need to know

>>3955589
>First person melee combat is hard enough for actual programmers and animators to do right.
>>3955594
>Not really
Nnnnno, player having a melee weapon =/= proper melee combat. See Zeno Clash and the like. It's not that easy to design and make.

>>3954959
>heretic wads
thank goodness people actually care about Heretic

>>3955483
Look into Zeno Clash and how it did things.

The absence of detailed enemy reactions would be major hindrance to first perso beatemup though.

>>3955589
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is sunlust full of switchhunting or am i retarded

>>3955672
unf~

how do you guys bind weapons in fps's? i noticed that getting to 7 and above is pretty finnicky

>>3955686
there's a entire cloumn of buttons to the left of WASD that's never ever used in retro games

>>3955707
Tab, Caps, Shift, Control? These buttons are actually extensively used in retro games. Maybe you meant to the right or to the bottom?

>>3955710
Fair enough tab is sometimes used for automap. Control is fire (what is LMB), shift is walk occasionally, caps lock is walk/run. Why would you ever walk?

>>3955228
Performance. BD forks are based on v19 or earlier, which lagged pretty bad.

>>3955686
Consider using Mouse 4-5 and keys surrounding WASD.

ZDoom modding can complicate things, so I use the extra mouse buttons for mod-specific features to make life easier.

>>3955686
Rebind 4 most used to 1-4