/vr/ - Retro Games

Nope. It's just A Link To The Past in 3D, with some elements from Link's Awakening.

... At first I was going to insult you for being a freaking idiot.
Then I realized you were right.
"Uh, the musical instruments to do gay stuf-"
> Oh wait, that was in LA.

"Uh, the trading sequenc-
> Also in LA

"The dual world concep-"
> Oh wait, LTTP

Um... masks? OoT did masks.

>>3950313
A Link To The Past also had a blue ocarina (called a flute in the American version) that Link used to teleport to different parts of the map.

>>3950308
Proper characterization for Ganondorf.

>>3950315
That was Wind Waker
His character in Ocarina Of Time is pretty much the same as A Link To The Past.
>came from a band of theives
>gained the king's trust
>betrayed him and stole the Triforce
>created the dark world
>transforms into a beast after losing at energy tennis

>>3950315
lol good one anon.

>>3950308
Introduced the Gorons, Kokiri, Dekus, and Gerudo (as a race)

Introduced riding on an animal (that isn't just teleportation)

Like half the music in OoT wasn't from older games and it found its way into the newer games (treasure opening music for instance)

>>3950313
>"Uh, the musical instruments to do gay stuf-"
Actually playing the instruments was introduced by OoT

>>3950308
>Aside from being the first 3D Zelda
That's a pretty big "aside".

>>3950336
Link is clearly seen riding a horse in the cartoons and comics.

>>3950317
Yeah you but you don't get to see any of that stuff happen, that's the stuff of opening cutscenes and instruction manuals.

OoT has a properly villainous Ganondorf playing a pipe organ as he explains his evil plans.

>>3950341
The theme he plays on his organ is from ALTTP.

>>3950308
Okay Arin.

>>3950380
>Ocarina Of Time was my first Zelda game: the post.

>>3950392
Actually it was, however my second one was ALTTP and I found both were great additions to the series. Do I think OOT was some true godsend? Of course not, but it's not nearly as bad as OP portrays it, and quite frankly ALTTP wasn't a godsend either, both games were great, having their sets of flaws here and there. Mostly the flaws with OOT were around tweaks needed to sharpen up the 3D controls, which makes sense as it was the first crack at it.

Quite frankly every Zelda game is derivative, they just add a new mechanic here and there and give you more stuff, which is fine since the series is still going generally strong.

Y u buttmad over something thats popular tho?

>>3950406
Ocarina took many aspects from A Link To The Past, from its structure and plot devices, to its items, to its music.

Z-targeting

Skulltulas

>>3950431
Many aspects, not everything

>>3950431
Source.

>>3950338
i drew myself having sex. am i still a virgin?

>>3950478
Correct, you could say A Link to the Past was Ocarina's source

>>3950483
So no source? Disregarded.

GG no rematch.

>>3950431
Right, and that's a good thing. It translated into 3d well

>>3950308
It introduced the most important element to the franchise that was carried on to every other game in the series.
It introduced fun

>>3950380
>someone on youtube didnt like a game so anyone else not liking the game has there opinion invalidated

Pretty weak arguement you got

>>3950579
I'm not the one trying to pretend OOT was a bad game, his sequelitis has already been torn up on its own and its all the arguments against it so...not like I have to do any work lol.

>Another anti-OOT thread

yawn.
Anyway, it not only innovated in the franchise, in innovated in the whole 3D action genre. Souls games wouldn't exist as they are without OOT and its Z-target

>>3950584
But you do, or your just plain shit posting.

>>3950591
>I have to do work to debunk a claim with no substantial evidence
I don't think you know how burden of proof works.

>>3950406
>quite frankly ALTTP wasn't a godsend either
Absolutely incorrect, it very much defined modern Zelda.

>>3950601
I meant as a game in general. I don't really care how it "defined" Zelda, Zelda has been redefined by OOT, get over it lol.

>>3950597
But other people are actually having an active discussion about oot and your just shit posting cause your butthurt without adding anything. Least people shitting on the game are posting reasons, what did you do to defend your favourite game? Nothing.

>>3950605
>defend your game from baseless claims
I don't think you know how burden of proof works

>>3950608
Only if your too much of a fanboy to dismess them as baseless or didnt play the games. Even the videoegoraptor made plenty of examples of why oot didnt adapt lttp to 3d perfectly. That would be your proof in this. Where are your examples to dismiss these baseless claims?

>>3950624
>Where are your examples to dismiss these baseless claims?
>requiring examples to dismiss a baseless claim
So picture this, someone comes up to you, and points to your dog, and says that's a cat. You say, no that is wrong, that is a dog. He then asks you to provide him an in depth biological research report to prove it.

Long story short, no. Egoraptors claims were already debunked by people better at it than me, if you need to google it you can. It's funny of you to call me a fanboy when you're the one clinging to a game that no one in the main knows or cares about. Again, face it, all Zelda to follow was shaped by OOT, even if OOT borrowed concepts from ALTTP, OOT is the one that actually changed Zelda to what it is today.

can you imagine action games without Z targeting?
I can, and they all suck

>>3950642
This. This is the big thing Ocarina has.

Also wasn't Ocarina the first Zelda with a day and night cycle?

>>3950637
>Long story short, no. Egoraptors claims were already debunked by people better at it than me, if you need to google it you can. It's funny of you to call me a fanboy when you're the one clinging to a game that no one in the main knows or cares about. Again, face it, all Zelda to follow was shaped by OOT, even if OOT borrowed concepts from ALTTP, OOT is the one that actually changed Zelda to what it is today.

I don't think you know how burden of proof works

>>3950642
Monster Hunter.

>>3950658
Says the person who doesn't know how burden of proof works.

GG don't tussle with people mentally superior.

>>3950667
But you clearly dont or you would provide a single pience of evidence to debunk peoples claims, all you have provided is your opinion, which means shit here and shit in a court too. I hope you aint a laywer.

>>3950671
See >>3950637

>>3950674
You still didnt provide me with any evidence or a single example to show oot had more influence on the zelda series than lttp. Ill start you off like i do with the threw year olds i teach.

oot had more influence on the zelda series than lttp BECAUSE ...

>>3950679
>oot had more influence on the zelda series than lttp BECAUSE
Every console game that followed uses the mechanics introduced by it.

Are you retarded?

>>3950681
>Every console game that followed uses the mechanics introduced by it.
Thats a very bold claim anon.

Ill help you out with your next sentance.

An example of this is....

>>3950687
Majora's Mask, Windwaker, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, BOTW.

So...you ARE retarded?

>>3950689
I knew what games you meant even after you expressed all console games.
Clearly i meant an example of the game mechanisms. Stop getting so upset anon i know this is hard for you, but this will turn your shit posting upside down

>>3950703
>he shat on me
>HE MUST BE MAD
What is this logic tho lol.

>>3950706
Was it too hard anon, did we give up, its okay the little one give up sometimes too.

>>3950712
>gets btfo
>pretends other side is giving up
Well wouldn't be the first time.

>>3950723
Then finish your work anon, recess is soon, ill keep you inside.

>>3950728
*tips fedora*

I already beatcha mate, don't need to do anything more but gloat.

>>3950731
This isnt a competition anon. This is education, you can do it, finish your argument prove me wrong, win your right to gloat.

>>3950739
Already won, I know you're acting smug because you're furious that you were wrong but its okay, you learned a valuable lesson today.

Get your arguments straight before posting.

>>3950746
You need to finish your working before I can be wrong.

>>3950749
Said the wrong guy lol. Stop being so upset bro, I like ALTTP too, but it wasn't the big shaper people pretend it is.

>>3950308
Off the top of my head:

Z targeting, context sensitive jumping, foward rolls, backflips, slide hops, jump slashing along with analog depth to sword combat, epona.

Surely there is more, though.

>>3950756
Thats still your opinion, need to back that up, trying to help you here.

>>3950765
You should help yourself first mate, again I know you're acting smug because you're furious, this is not the first time someone is going to beat you in an internet argument. You have a unique opportunity to learn from it, if you take it or not, no bearing on me.

>2017
>still discussing fucking Zelda

>>3950769
I'm smug cause you couldnt even provide a single example like this >>3950762 and its funny you calling me furius but you were the name calling. Its fine though anon, not everyone knows how to properly express themselves.

>>3950787
I gave many examples actually, if you're too stupid to know why OOT influenced every 3D Zelda to follow, I take it back, you don't have an opportunity to learn, you're too stupid kek.

>>3950480

>>3950798
>I gave many examples actually

>>3950818
>he forgot the examples already
Just stop, it's embarrassing now lol.

>>3950831
Qoute them i dare you

>>3950836
see >>3950689

>>3950850
That was when you got confused and made a list if games not a list of mechanics.

>>3950854
See >>3950798
Let's put it together nowww :D

https://youtu.be/duPynkGEFGI

>>3950478
>game opens with link sleeping
>go to three easy dungeons and collect a green thing, a red thing, and a blue thing
>obtain the master sword
>you are transported to an alternate reality where Ganondorf obtained the Triforce and made the world evil
>you can go back and forth between the evil reality and the normal world before Ganondorf came into power at will
>obtain a blue ocarina that you can use to warp around the world
>complete several more difficult dungeons in the evil world to free the sages
>use their power to enter Ganon's lair
>storm the castle and beat Ganondorf at energy ball tennis, which you did earlier in the game, foreshadowing the final boss fight
>after losing to Link in his humanoid form, Ganon transforms into his beast form for the final battle
>make everything right in the world, put the master sword back in its pedestal, and walk away
Which game was I describing? Ocarina Of Time or A Link To The Past?

>>3951173
Ocarinababies are too young to get a thing here you know. Also you're describing OOT because of the boss battle at the end

>>3950903
Nice e-celeb

>>3950903
Why is this nigger showing footage of the 3DS version in high res. REEEEEEEE

>>3951173
>Which game was I describing? Ocarina Of Time or A Link To The Past?
The surface level fluff and story structure in both games. Aka. the least important parts of Zelda.

>>3951179
Did you ever finish A Link To The Past? The boss battle at the end is the same. Energy tennis and then beast Ganon.

>>3951190
I was replying to >>3950478 who was replying to >>3950431
The structure, story, and even some of the music in Ocarina Of Time is taken straight from A Link To The Past.
Zelda's Lullaby, which is probably the song that most people immediately think of when they think of Ocarina Of Time is from A Link To The Past. Same with the Kakariko Village theme and the theme that plays when you're climbing the stairs in Ganon's castle.

>>3951203
Yes I did. The boss is regular old Ganon, not Aghnim. There's no transformation like on OOT. It's just a slight thing

>>3951213
Ganondorf is Aghanim

>>3951218
Ganondorf isn't in the game you fool, he's introduced in OOT

>>3951219
The name Ganondorf comes from A Link To The Past.
It's in the manual, and I think it might be in the prologue. He even had a last name in A Link To The Past, but Nintendo retconned it.

>>3951232
As in, he's physically not in the game. Ganondorf has been trapped as Ganon in the dark world for hundreds of years

>>3950308

Switching to 3D is what changes the gameplay. The obvious technological leap led to bigger levels, more NPC's, Z-targeting, day-night cycle, etc.

If you mean changes as in Zelda II where you go through dungeons with a side scroller perspective, ALttP where you can move 8 directions and so on, then no, OoT brought nothing new per se except for the first person view for shooting and using some gadgets. But why should that be a big deal? Heck, MGS1 is basically a remake of MG2 gameplay wise, and its still great.

>>3951235
All I'm saying is that Ganondorf is first mentioned in A Link To The Past, and you fight him first as a human, and then as a beast.

>>3951245
He's not a human in the form of Aghnim the dark wizard, that's his alter ego puppet from Hyrule

>>3951256
I thought Agahnim was literally just Ganondorf wearing a disguise.

>>3950308
Actual characters with personalities.

>>3950480
You always will be.

>>3950435
Catchphrase slinging faggot.
"Z targeting" was just target lock from megaman legends, but you could move during it. A logical step forward, not a new invention.

>>3951597
>but you could move during it

then it wasn't the same, you mongoloid

>>3951245
Mandrag Ganon? SO he wore the Gerudo ladyclothing first?

>>3951245
>attempting to post proof with NoA instruction booklet fanficition
Jej

It did far more for 3D games than Zelda games, and I think that's why it was such a big deal. It essentially determined many many mechanics and features that not just action games but 3D games in general use. Context sensitive buttons, targeting system etc. It also did a really good job at introducing three dimensions to the world.

I think it being alttp in 3D is a fine choice, it gives you most of the same tools but eases you into how to think about using them with an added dimension. It's something that can't really be appreciated by people who grew up on the ps2 and stuff.

>>3951173
>you are transported to an alternate reality where Ganondorf obtained the Triforce and made the world evil
Ocarina because Ganondorf wasn't introduced in ALttP dumbass and he didn't make the world evil he just tainted it cause of his soul. Ocarina was where he deliberately made things how he wanted.

Everybody overlooks the dungeons

They could not be done in 2D

All zeldas share same concepts Alttp babies need to understand that.

>>3951958

Alttp is just Zelda 1 with diagonal axis

Ocarina introduced 3D targetting in a way that has become standard.

Some of the gameplay mechanics seem original. What other action adventure games had the context sensitive button before it?

>>3952476
Eh RPGs originally did, I guess? Dragon Quest V couple a bunch of Ultima commands together into a single press of the button L.

>>3952198

I agree very much. Saying that OoT is just "ALttP in 3D" is just profoundly stupid. So you collect 3 items, get a sword, then collect 7 more. So fucking what? Just because the over-arching plot structure is the same that doesn't mean the gameplay is the same, and OoT has a lot more going on in between dungeons anyway.

>>3951182
Yes! Did you check the microsoft video where they wanted to pay him but he talked only shit about the game so they refused it. Really nice although some new vidz are boring.

>>3951597
OP did say introduced to the franchise.

>>3951245
Thanks for clarifying i bet he still wont believe

>>3952503
Not him, but where there any real time games before OOT to use multicontext buttons? All of them seem to be turn based.

Were there any games before OOT where jumping was automatic, and a significant part of controlling your character?

>>3952803
>Were there any games before OOT where jumping was automatic, and a significant part of controlling your character?
Doom. Kinda.

>>3952803
I think there were multicontext button games before OoT. Goemon comes to mind. But the biggest thing OoT introduced other than day/night cycles and Z-targeting to vidya is a context-sensitive Action button. Games like Resident Evil had a button for special commands, but it's just to transition between places (open door, climb ladder, etc).

Automatic jumping is genius though and something I've never thought about. I always take it for granted.

>>3952856

Alttp did have the ability to auto jump from ledges tho

ALttP and OoT are both incredible games. They both did wonderful things.

Bashing on either is just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

You're all idiots.

>>3953535
You're fucking stupid if you think that's even remotely the same thing.

>>3953543

I'm pretty sure this thread was bait. Could be wrong, but I have got a feelin'.

Is this board even worse than standard /v/? Just visiting and these are some fucking terrible threads.

>>3950313

"The dual world concep-"
> Oh wait, LTTP

They're not really the same. Going between a normal world and a dark world is different from going between the past and the future.

>>3950308

>Aside from being the first 3D Zelda

Moving it to 3D and having it be amazing instead of horrible is a tremendous accomplishment that I think you're unfairly downplaying. It gets ranked not just as the best Zelda game but as the best game of all time by all those ranking lists for that reason: it introduced an enormous sprawling 3D world that was alive with adventure and shit. The 2D games were fun, but Ocarina of Time basically had that effect people talked about when Avatar came out where everything was so vivid and immersive that audiences would go home depressed because they had been transported to a world better than the real one and were in withdrawals upon leaving it.

>>3950308
>Aside from being the first 3D Zelda,
I love how you just brush aside the most significant accomplishment of all. This analogy's not perfect but that's a bit like asking, "Aside from assembly line production, did Ford's Model T introduce any new elements to autos?"

>>3956332

Zelda fanboys are pretty fucking annoying especially the trifecta of autism that are alttp, WW and MM

>>3956332
the board is currently worse because you're not the only /v/irgin "just visiting"

>>3950308
Aside from being the first 3D the game this game is praised because it was so fucking easy any nintendobabby could finish it.

>>3958454

If a game is hard it's because it was designed poorly.

>>3956332
>Is this board even worse than standard /v/?

Not worse, but we're pretty far up there these days. /vr/'s janny doesn't seem to give a shit about the influx of e-celebs, request threads and generals that are taking over the board. /v/ has surprisingly less e-celeb cancer cluttering it up, but that's probably because they're too busy shitposting about feminism or Bioware. And now we have that too.

Really, it's the entire site that's gone downhill since moot left and Hiro started treating 4chan like an advertising platform. The staff doesn't even try to maintain a certain quality of threads anymore.

>mfw OoT Link even looked like ALttP Link in the beta version of the game

Was Blind a Gerudo as well? Ganon's uncle (a parallel to Link's uncle appearing in Link to the Past as well?)

>>3950338
>treating the western cartoons/comics as canon
Fuck off Moviebob

I still replay ocarina all the time.

>>3950308

>day and night cycle
>moving NPCs
>weather
>floating/sinking (iron boots)
>hovering (hover boots)
>reveal invisible (walls, enemies etc) with lens of truth
>horseback riding
>slingshot
>bombchus
>elemental arrows
>spells that can be cast
>magic beans
>dive depth increasing items
>masks
>rewards for skulltula tokens
>the gorons
>the kokiri
>the sheikah
>ganondorf's human form

is OP the biggest fucking retard of all time?

3d
Fappable girls (other than crazy tracy)

>>3950308
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