/vr/ - Retro Games

I agree. I had a harder time figuring out where to go in the fire temple. The water temple was much more straight-forward.

>>3948697
You mean the worst dungeon in OoT , the worst Zelda dungeon in the 3D Zeldas, or the worst Zelda dungeon of all time from any game?

>>3948705
From any of the retro games. I generally dislike the fire temple the most. Probably due to the ridiculous timed run you have to do to grab the megaton hammer.

The issue people have with the water temple is that it's incredibly tedious having to enter the menu and equip/unequip the iron boots. Also the dungeon item is just a longer hookshot and the boss is pretty shitty. The 3DS version makes the boots act as regular items and the dungeon ends up being far more enjoyable about it. Although since OoT became known as the greatest game of all time and the water temple was the one thing that got the most complaints (aside from Navi), "le water temple is so hard xd" became a meme parroted by people who have never played the game.

>>3948697
Not sure if it strictly counts as a dungeon, but that bit in Majoras Mask when you have to go get all the zora eggs from the pirate ladies

>>3948723

>equipping boots

That's not the issue at all. It was having to change the water levels in the right way to get through it. Without a strategy guide you could be stuck for a very long time trying to figure out where you had to go and what the water level needed to be to make progress through there.

>inb4 hurr that was easy for me though

I get it, you're good at finding your way around shit. That was still the real reason why people had a hard time with the water temple, not fucking boot equipping.

>>3948697
>watching younger stepbrother play his save file in Oot
>he gets to water temple
>hes thumping around in the iron boots working away at the puzzles for hours
>puts the controller down goes to eat supper.
>after supper school him in some goldeneye.
>next day he tried to play Oot agian.
>seeing him lost for hours as he struggles so hard to remember what he did yesterday.
>week later i come to vist my dads house.
>he still hasnt passed the water temple.
adventure pretty much ended for him at this point he was just to stupid.

>>3948765
Changing the water levels is what made the dungeon challenging but equipping your boots is what made the dungeon tedious. When you combine those two, you get something that's frustrating and that's why people hated the water temple the most.

Jabu-Jabu is worst, just by virtue of being gross.

>>3948823
this
at least the water temple is atmospheric and has the dark link fight

When you get the map the water temple becomes a joke. You really don't need to switch the levels as often as people are making it out to be. Menu'ing is a pain, particularly on older emulators, but even that isn't too terrible.

>>3948697
The Water Temple is only the worst dungeon if you have zero object permanence.
It's a meme to say
>still not as bad as the water temple!

Fire temple is way worse, by the way.

>>3949081
>emulators

>>3949306
>Paying for old games that only scalpers sell

>playing the worst zelda game in the series at all

inb4 CDI zelda games

>>3949081

>You really don't need to switch the levels as often as people are making it out to be.

I'm sure the number of times you need to switch water levels if you're doing a perfect run isn't very high. But that's kind of irrelevant because it assumes you already know how to do a perfect run. If you don't know anything about it, aren't using a guide, and don't have a naturally good sense of direction, you will end up getting confused and changing water levels a bunch of times trying to get something to work i.e. exactly what happened when I played it for the first time.

>>3948697
>>3948715

Water Temple was annoying. Mostly just a question of "what haven't you messed with in a long time" sort of deal, process of elimination. Keeping a memorable list of everything you couldnt get to is hard, but if you're stumped you can try to remember which rooms you've been to and then realize which areas were once inaccessible or had something you wanted to reach.

But the Fire Temple was much harder. I think most here seem to agree that the timed run to get up to the big chest was a pain. Primarily because of the restricted 8 directions only movement, and that last part of the curve was a tightrope act.

Aside from the water temple and the goron sword this was I believe the equivalent of this game's nintendo hell replay value. Difficulty spikes that make you invest alot of time and effort into getting past some obstacle which seemed at first to be like any other.

And the Fire Temple wasnt exactly without its convoluted 3d movement either. There was some vertical shit that had to be done as well, and those big lava rooms were kinda hard to get through.

The megaton hammer was practically useless for the rest of the game too, it wasnt like the magic hammer in LTP which was actually pretty nice (4 hits worth of damage, and it only had a small lead time before striking - megaton hammer takes forever to heft).

When they designed OOT they paid way too much attention to balancing the items so that they would pretty much only be useful for the puzzles they were designed for. In a variety of other zelda games, many items had their puzzle use, but were often useful for other things depending on tactics.

You got new boots? Great, they're only useful for a niche few things in the game thats it, add them to the pile of boots you're collecting.

But in LTP the boots were great for attacks and getting around quick. And in Minish the cape had attack moves.

> and OOT has no Swordbeam, if you want to engage enemies at a distance you need to use items

>>3948697
>Worst Zelda dungeon?
It's not retro. Out of all the retro ones it's probably one of the Zelda II "dungeons"

>>3949591
>Zelda
>not retro

>>3949592
Go back to school, guy

>>3949594
You just said Zelda wasn't retro retard

>>3949605
:^)

>>3949606
">Worst Zelda dungeon?"
"It's not retro"
Is literally your post guy

>>3949608
Zelda
dungeon
Zelda
dungeon
Zelda
dungeon

>>3949608
He knows he admitted defeat. The smile of autism said so.

>>3949610
?????

>>3949605
Darling, read your English correctly please.
He said the worst dungeon in the series is from a Zelda game that isn't retro sweetie, but if he had to pick a retro dungeon, it would be from Zelda II sugar.

>>3949615
>Trying this hard to be condescending
2/10 made me reply

>>3949614
zelda
DUNGEON
zelda
DUNGEON
zelda
DUNGEON

>>3949618
really activated my almonds

>>3949615
>Darling
>sweetie
>sugar
It doesn't work that way, sweetie. It only works if you use one per post.

>>3949623

>>3949625
seemed to work pretty well for me

forest > spirit > fire > shadow > water

>>3948697
Oh god those textures.

How was anyone in 1998 saying this game "looked like real life"?

>>3949682
Spirit > Water > Forest > Shadow > Fire

I liked the audiovisual style of Water Temple
Great Bay was eh

>>3949591
Fuck that one with the green walls

>>3948697
>unironically playing a 480i blurfest n64 game slurped up to 1080p over composite

asdsdf

>>3949734
I never did. So dont put words in our mouths bitch.

>>3949310
Flashcart

>>3949310
>doesn't have his childhood copy
Not a real gamer.

>>3948723
This. /thread. /every fucking water temple thread, ever.

I actually like the temple a lot. Especially since the 3DS version streamlined it a bit. Fun, but still requires a good since of three-dimensional thinking. There are really only a couple of dirty tricks in the original that could leave you running in circles, but they gave you some better hints in later versions.

>>3948697
>>3948702
>>3948715
>>3949280
>all these faggots think the fire temple was hard
What the fuck universe am I living in? It's probably one of the easiest, it's extremely linear and hard to get lost, and none of the fights or puzzles were particularly hard.

>>3949572
I had fun with the timed run desu

>>3949440

Are you high?

See step one.

And now see step nine.

>>3951739
>>3951741

If you failed at either of those two places, you were fucked for hours without knowing why. The block one is particularly insidious.

>>3951739
>step two
I got the compass before the map like half of the time in OoT

>>3949310
>bein all poor and shieeet

>>3951267

I'll never understand why some posters seem to assume that everyone here is around 19 years old and only got into old games within the last few years, and as a result has to resort to paying reseller prices for even the most common of games.

>>3951470

Normally I would agree with you except in the 3DS remake they nerfed some of the glitches/exploits that allowed the Water Temple to actually be completed first out of the 5 temples. Mainly the jump to the 3rd water switch from the center platform was removed, now requiring more keys than possible to acquire without the bow.

Main reason I disliked the Water Temple is because of the constant switching of boots, other than that I actually really love it. It's definitely a giant puzzle. The 3DS version is top tier for removing the boot situation.

Fire Temple is definitely shittier in almost every aspect. It just hurts to look at sometimes, idk.

>>3954913
this and this

all the n64 zelda dungeons are awesome

worst zelda dungeon is that bullshit main one in phantom hourglass that you have to keep going back through, deeper and deeper, what bullllllllshittttttttttt.

compared to that, all the ice temples in any zelda game are fucking beautiful amazing experiences.

>>3948697
>gamecube
>flat screen

Is OP the biggest faggot?

>>3948697
A bunch of dimwits hate how it clucked their chickenshits with that one key that's only available at a certain water level that raises a float.

>>3955364

If that last spoke of the timed run to get the big chest in the fire temple was the same width as the one before it... id say that it was a worthy challenge.

> but its literally as wide as a 2x4 board

If it wasnt for that, I would say that the Fire Temple has quirks but is beautiful in its own way. Forest Temple is kinda hard depending on how you look at it, but its a fitting challenge.

>>3951470
Yeah fire temple was very easy and I didn't have any trouble at all with it.

Dunno what everyone is going on about

>>3949572
>8 directions only movement
You mean the notches? That doesn't mean 8 directions of movement, try moving in between them.

Same reason water levels are generally to be the worst.

It changes the way the game feels because of the change in game physics.

>>3952125
Not every 19 year old is a hipster who likes to get into the scene and maybe that older anons have lost theirs too? Age has nothing to do with this.

>>3948697
were the scratches on that tree ever explained?

The water temple breaks the "flow" of the game, in others temples most of the puzzles can be solved by the items you have equipped, but in the water temple the fact that you have to switch boots like a million times and fuck around with the water level, makes not hard but tedious as sin.

>>3956685

Water temple is the best dungeon due to shadow Link alone

Having the longshot is satisfying as fuck and the Boss is something entirely different than hit in the eye routine.

>>3956685

Also stone tower is much worse when it comes to item switching and people seem to love that dungeoun.

I thought the first Wind Waker dungeon was shockingly bad. So much so that I barely continued past it.

>>3956895
Well wind waker is shockingly bad

>>3956685
>water temple breaks the flow
deepest lore

>>3948823
Yeah this comes to my mind first too.

>>3957395
it is awesome except for having to keep changing direction of wind.

>>3956895
You mean the fortress stealth part, not the actual first dungeon?
The only good dungeon was the fire one. The forest one was okay. But the rest were bad.

>>3956554
I found some parts to be difficult. I remember one part I didn't know how to jump and that you needed the snail to attack you. I just left the controller to take a drink and when I saw him hit me and leaped me forward I was happy but also a bit angry for not thinking of that.

>>3960580
...What?

>>3951739
>>3951745
I still don't see how this was a problem. I figured it out when I was fucking 12.
>be in hallway
>can't progress because of block
>can't push or pull block from current position
>look at map to figure out another way to approach it
>Go there and move block
>????
>Profit
It's like you dumb niggers don't know how to use a map.

>All this Dark Link apologia
He's a terrible boss fight. He's not good in Zelda 2, either.

>>3948697
The one from Ages. You know which one.

>>3961130
I actually don't, but I've been trying to remember anything from those games this whole thread cause that's what I think of when I see the words "bad" and "zelda"

>>3961162
Wait... are the Oracle games considered bad? The fuck is wrong with this world?

>>3961162
> I've been trying to remember anything from those games this whole thread cause that's what I think of when I see the words "bad" and "zelda"
I thought LA was worse other than the music desu.

>>3956515
I am between houses right now so it's my only option =(

>>3961036

It's like you've never actually taken a look at the Water Temple's in-game map.

>>3961180

4chan contrarianism strikes again!

(It's because they were made by Capcom so they must be baaaaaad.)

threadly reminder that people who got "stuck" in the water temple are literally fucking brainlets who should never be taken seriously

i figured that shit out as a fucking 10 year old if you honestly can't grasp the puzzles of this temple you are seriously just dumb

Jabu-Jabu's Belly from Oracle of Ages

>that terrible "tap to move" underwater mechanic
>it's also a hookshot based one
>multi-layered and just general trial and error on what switch did what

>>3961030
There's a part in the fire dungeon where you need an enemy to attack you to reach a ledge. I hadn't thought about doing that but that was an example of a hard part in the dungeon.

>>3962013

No such part exists.

It wasn't difficult, but I hated how repetitive and tedious this place was.

>>3962030

Shit, I loved that place. Still dream about it, occasionally.

>>3962013
No. You're retarded. I don't know what part you're thinking of, but you're dumb for both thinking that the developers would require that of you, AND for not just seeing the actual solution, whatever it was.

I never thought i'd see the day where multiple people claimed that the timed run for the megaton hammer was hard. I don't think i've ever failed it once, not even on my first ever blind playthrough of the game when I was like fucking 10 years old.

Jesus H, didn't know everyone here was so casual.

>>3965083

this. this whole thread is fucking embarassing

>>3948697
What a disgusting screenshot OP fix your shit.

>>3965112
>>3965083

Nobody here cares about your chest thumping.

>>3965317
Get good you fucking shitter.

maybe go play an game more suited to your level like the wiiu mario games.

The hard part of the fire temple is the jump that looks unmakeable in the room with the moving fire wall

>>3965326

Yup, still utterly nonplussed. I play games my way for my own enjoyment. Stay assmad.

>>3965345

no one is assmad over the fact you suck shit at games you incompetent fucking simian

Playing Oot Master quest i only got stuck on one templethe Spirit temple how shit em I?

>>3965361

Boy, you sure sound mad.

>>3962030
>>3962040
Favorite dungeon in any 3D Zelda game.
>that music, especially in reversed temple
>use of all 4 of Link's forms
>Garo Master fight... although my rival, he was spectacular
>when temple is flipped, flying as a Deku over the starry night sky
>that constant sense of vertigo

>>3965516

>insisting someone is mad after they call you out for being a casual faggot

really scraping the bottom of the barrel here my dude