/vr/ - Retro Games

Try not to shit yourself in fear over looking at a Reddit link but this is a useful guide for running 240p on a VGA CRT monitor.

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/675u6g/guide_how_to_run_retroarch_in_240p_on_your_vga/

If you're so autistic that you just can't look at Reddit without having a panic attack then I'll put it in short for you. 240p at 120Hz goes over 31KHz, or rounds up to it at least.

ALWAYS fall for the PVM/SCART/RGB memes. Spend a small fortune for marginal upgrades in picture quality by starting your collection of obsolete technology which will be an annoying burden to get rid of when it inevitably dies.

>>3948234
This is great, thanks anon.

>>3948285

I heard that they turn all your grapes sour too. Who even wants those grapes.

>when you bump the old thread a day later
I'll see myself out...

>>3948285
>>annoying burden to get rid of when it inevitably dies.
>put in black garbage bag
>put in trash can
>nobody will ever know

>>3948437
Some chassis are notorious for failure.
I've seen a Sony FE2 die right before my eyes.

>>3948450
Better yet, just relist it on ebay or something as "untested" and recoup your investment.

>>3948179
>see image
>think it's an Oracles thread
>isn't

>>3948179
hello, new to the general. I have a question about a pvm model 14l2. the menu screen seems to jitter a little bit, and i was wondering if this is normal or if this will appear on all forms on video it shows.

>>3949028
That's normal if you have no sync going into the monitor.

Once you have an input active it should stabilise.

>>3949071
thank you im without the proper connections to test.

>>3948234
sweet baby jesus!
Looks like I won't be needing that PVM after all...

>>3949142

I have an old iMac G3 in storage that still works like a charm, but since it's a bit tricky to connect it to wi-fi I was wondering if it'd be possible to hook my consoles up to it somehow? The image quality on it is absolutely beautiful and I'd love to put it to use with retro gaming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75WFTHpOw8Y

Welp. After about four months of angsting over the ghosting on my PVM, I've found out I'm just an inept piece of shit and it was my SNES all along.

Why the fuck is it that hardly anyone ever mentions the mini has inherent ghosting issues?

All this about muh best picture and then this shit. Guess most folks who own one of these are either blind or use framemeisters. Fuck.

That said, I don't suppose anyone with an older SNES would wanna straight up trade for mine? It's modded and shit, so there's that. I don't want it anymore.

Inb4 I get bitched at for trying to trade this piece of shit. If you don't want it, I legit don't blame you. Fuck this thing.

>>3949210
that retro RGB site says that explicitly and has pictures of the ghosting iirc

>>3949229
None of the main pages on retrorgb seem to reference ghosting when I looked over them just now. And when I read them months ago, I don't recall reading a damn thing about them.

Though, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I'm still mad about this turn of events. My only consolation is knowing it's not worthless to some other person who wants to fuck with it.

>>3949173
I like how this is basically a meme at this point.

>>3949142
What monitor?

Do larger CRTVs have the same dot pitch as smaller CRTVs?

If so then larger CRTVs must have higher TVL than smaller CRTVs.

If not then larger CRTVs must have conspiciously large phosphor triads.

Does anyone here own a CRT RPTV or CRT Projector? I have an RPTV with progressive scan, but none of my shit uses component cables

>>3949940
I've got a 46" Sony CRT RPTV that I use with my PS2 and OG Xbox. Anything you needed to know?

Anon who was asking a shit ton of questions about hooking up audio to his extron here.

Tell me how I did with the wiring. Already tested it out and everything sounds good to me.

>>3950062
Looks bang-on to me. Well done!

t. anon who was answering the majority of said questions.

Is there any hope at all of ever finding an NEC XM29 for sale?

The last ebay listing was years ago

>>3949210

Oh fuck, don't tell me this. I literally just bought an RGB modded SNES Jr and a PVM

>>3950174
Someone got meme'd on

>get a crt and take it home
>check out previous owners settings
>contrast and sharpness maxed

>>3950251
I have a friend who loves going into his settings and adjusting everything. He usually just plays it by eye but since he's always changing his settings he has no idea what an image should actually look like.

The result is tragic and makes distinguishing between colors impossible

>>3949142
No one needs a PVM.
>>3950174
Rekt

>>3949834
Nokia 446xpro

>>3948234
Cool, but running 240p at 120Hz is not a new idea. Is this method different in some way?

Can anyone post gorgerous PVM photos? I want to show a friend.

>>3950664
No it's not a new idea, you're right. But it's apparently not common knowledge either.

I didn't make the guide, I just posted it here.

So I bought one of these to see if I could plug my PC into my CRT without having to get a VGA > SCART and SCART > YPbPr converter daisy chain abortion going on underneath my desk.

It kinda but not really works. I can get audio out of the TV perfectly, but the lowest resolution I can get it to output is 480p, and my TV only goes up to 480i. I can see my wallpaper through the garish scrolling mess that shows up on my TV, so I think I'm on the right track at least.

Any ideas? Or am I going to have to go VGA > SCART > YPbPr to actually get this usable?

>>3951259
Have you tried using CRU?

>>3951268
For the last hour or so, but I really have no idea what I'm doing in there

>>3951271
Enter a detailed resolution, then use the reset application. There's guides on the forum where you download it.

hey boys, getting a weird issue on my Commodore 1084-D. The left side of the screen appears normal, then, gradually, as if the saturation knob had been turned up as the beam scans across, to the right side of the screen, the pictures becomes way over saturated. Not sure what's causing this, but it's worth noting I had a small bookshelf speaker placed right next to the CRT before I found that it could mess with the picture. What do?

>>3949142
Wow, that is just super.

>>3950701
pics of the device itself or the resulting display (scanlines and such) ?

If you're the guy in eastern MA who sniped that dirt cheap PVM on CL before me,
Cheers.

Would you guys reckon that a picture like this is indicative of loop-through RGB connections being unterminated?

In other words, will fitting 75 ohm terminators likely correct it?

>>3950174
the Jr is well known to have bad RGB, it's on like all the websites

>>3952324
Other way around, the Jr is the one that's guaranteed to have good RGB output

HDMI > YPbPr guy here, just got back home from work. Here's a bit more information because I'm still completely lost:

I'm using two GPU's. A GTX 1070 as my main card, and an R9 270x that I want to output to my CRT since I'm not getting anywhere with the 1070, and I found a relatively recent forum post by someone who works for Nvidia that states that their cards don't support outputting to analog devices anymore.

I've got the latest version of crt_emudriver installed for my 270x, and this is what vmm shows about my displays. Under the video card tab in settings, I've got two analog outputs available. I've since determined that Analog_0 is the DVI-I port, but I'm still not 100% sure what the Analog_1 port is supposed to be. I'm assuming the HDMI port, since it's labeled as HDMI-A, but I was always under the assumption HDMI was digital only, just like DVI-D and DisplayPort.

Also, if I enable EDID emulation for Analog_0, the emulated display shows up in my Windows settings, but if I enable EDID emulation for Analog_1, nothing changes.

As for >>3951351

I know the basics of CRU and how it works, I've used it for 4k downsampling before, but I have no idea about porch timings, negative and positive poling, etc., etc.

That's what's throwing me off with CRU

As a side note, I've got an HD 5670 somewhere in my closet if that'll make outputting to a CRT easier.

Any ideas?

>>3952324
lolno

The Jr has the best RGB, but doesn't support RGB out of the box

So I've managed to get it to output 720 x 480i, but that's it. I've tried adding all the modes in vmmaker, but it always says rejected by driver. Is this the end for me? Is there truly nothing left for me to do to get 240p output?

So I have a Philips flat screen CRT, but the geometry is a bit fucked up and wavy, it's especially on side-scrollers like sonic. I heard that this is an issue that shows up on many if not most flat screen models. Is this fixable or should I seek out another traditionally curved CRT?

>>3953106
No it's not fixable.

The glass itself will be distorted internally, just a pretty much unavoidable by-product of making a flat-fronted tube.

>>3953120
Ah alright, that's what I suspected. I'll have to be on the look for a different CRT then.

>>3951423
Sounds like a purity problem from the low strength magnet over time. Degaussing it should do the trick, either using a wand or a big magnet. I don't know if it'll stick around forever though, as every once in a while my 1080's impurity returns and I have to degauss.

>>3948234
Use 3840x240 instead of 320x240, you'll thank me later when you try running PSX games that can change horizontal resolution at any time.

>>3953216
>3840x240
I see no logic in this.

>>3953228
3840 is evenly divisible by many common game resolutions, and 3000px is enough to hide the non-integer scaling artifacts of those that aren't evenly divisible.

>>3948179
This is the thread to ask. Is there a database that compares all the different Sony PVM's and their features? Having a hard time finding information to compare them against each other, and Sony doesn't seem to have legacy information about their older products, especially such specialized ones.

Looking into buying a CRT but I have no idea where to start. What brands/models should I be looking out for?

I'm from the UK if it helps

>>3951268
>>3951351
I'm sick of hearing this from people. Have you done it? If you have, how did you get around the scan limit on your video drivers? Because if you don't have a way to do that, you can enter any resolution you like, but anything under 31kHz just gets turned into 31kHz+. ToastyX's pixel clock patcher will work for Radeon cards, but AFAIK there's nothing for Nvidia.

The older the system/gpu the more likely it will work natively, but nothing from 2010 or newer has a hope. Even using an EDID dongle doesn't work on newer systems.

>>3951259
>the lowest resolution I can get it to output is 480p
The unit, or your PC?

>>3951908
What's the issue? The pic shows precisely nothing but SF2 looking roughly as expected on a CRT shot with a phone camera.

>>3952813
>HDMI
>Analog Video

Pick one :(

The DVI-I port might actually be outputting digital video at low res, as well as the analog signal, I'm not sure. Try a DVI-to-HDMI adapter. They're passive but not as cheap as they should be.

All this is for naught if the HDMI-YPbPr adapter won't handle lower than 31kHz, or if the DVI-I port is only pumping analog video. You should ask about that on the GroovyMAME forum on Arcade Controls. Calamity will know the answer.

>>3953539
What are you going to do with it? Retro game from gen 5 backwards only? Any consumer set is a good place to start, because you're in Europe and can just grab something with RGB SCART.

>>3953571
Yeah pretty much, I can't stand how even PS2 games look on a HDTV.

>>3952964
>>3952363
ah my mistake, anons. Misremebered; I'm not a big SuFami guy, I should stick to what I know more assuredly.

>>3953402
There is a plethora of pdf brochures with comparison tables available for download on broadcaststore.com

>>3953723
>>3953402

Also, reddit thread listed in this thread.

>>3953551
If you'd do the most basic research instead of looking for somebody to spoonfeed you then you'd figure this shit out.

Go buy an old Radeon, anon. Maybe an old PC with XP as well.

>>3953728
Where? The only one I saw dealt with outputting 240p from a PC

>>3953754
Don't patronise me, fuckhead. I've looked high and low for an Nvidia workaround, and never found one. ToastyX himself in the CRU thread talks about how low resolution modes will be blocked by the video driver.

If you have a workaround to get 15kHz out of that guy's 1070, share it please. This is a retro gaming board, FFS, not your high school.

>>3953757
fuck i can't even find it in the previous thread, sorry for the misdirect.

Here - https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/wiki/speclist

>>3948854
Post more Oracle.

Is it OK to have a CRT in a cold floor?

>>3953925

You got me man.

>>3953925
I'm legitimately upset.

>>3953551
>but nothing from 2010 or newer has a hope
I want to say I remember an anon fucking around with SD resolutions out of a 500-series card some years back, but I'm not 100% on that.

>>3953925

>>3953563
>All this is for naught if the HDMI-YPbPr adapter won't handle lower than 31kHz
It does, I've gotten it to output 720 x 480i over 15kHz. I just can't get any 240p resolutions to output... yet.....

>>3953863
Getting 240p out of the 1070 is a lost cause, I've long since abandoned that =(

So since everything gets rejected by the driver, I decided to swap out the 270x for a much older HD 5670. The good news is that all the video modes don't get rejected, and show up under my resolution settings in Windows, as you can see here.

>>3954026
Unfortunately, none of them work, and the advanced settings are all coming up blank.

>>3953754
Sorry for talking about setting up a CRT in the CRT thread on the only board that talks about CRTs

Hey guys, there is an Atari SC1425 close to me for €50, should I go for it ?
I'm not desperate for it, as I already own a couple of CRTs, but this one is supposedly a nice RGB monitor and I'm physically attracted to CRTs btw
I'm not really sure how much these things go for.

Are Platstation Vita's good alternatives to CRTs if you only want to play PS1, SNES, and handheld games?

Like I mean does the OLED display make the games look like how they would on a good CRT or does it still need a shader like CRT-Royale?

>>3954745
Look up Adrenaline for Vita. It's a full featured PSP CFW that has a bunch of alternative filters that are way better than the stock Sony bilinear one, and there's one that introduces pseudo scan lines for PSP and PSX titles.

Aside from that, a N3DS would be better for SNES and others because the 3D effect can be used to introduce pseudo scan lines that look better than the Vita ones on their 240p screens

>>3954838
Also, OLED screens suffer from burn in, so keep that in mind when using scan line filters, or integer scaling in emulators that make black bars surround the game

>>3954019
Well, i've tried it on a 580 using every method posted here in the last 2 years. I've also tried with an EDID dongle. If anyone has a way to make it work, i wish to fuck they'd post it up instead of simply parroting the "Use Powerstrip/CRU/Soft15kHz" line. Those utilities are all amazing, but are not designed for getting 15Khz out of a Win 7 or above PC. There is a distinct difference between EDID Overrides and EDID Emulation, and even the latter isn't enough for newer Nvidia drivers.

>>3954026
>>3954027

F- me this is a mess. And my reply isn't going to be much better...

What type of port is Display 3 plugged into? Where did the "TV- Display" come from in this screenshot >>3952813 - did you turn it on somewhere in the drivers? What is calling it that? The EDID emulation?

EDID emulation will only work with an analogue port. Hence it working with Analog_0 and not Analog_1 because the latter port is not capable of either outputting analogue video or of acknowledging an analogue only display. At least, that would be my guess. I ran into the issue with a 6000 series card wondering why i couldn't use EDID emulation on both heads - and i think it's because only one was analogue. I'm not even sure you can get 15kHz modes out of the HDMI port.

Using two GPU's this way is not helping clear things up. I didn't think you could run two display drivers at once, so this is new to me. You have an Nvidia driver installed *and* crt_emudriver?

You're using VMM to install the modelines, yes, and you're installing them to the correct display output? You should be using ArcadeOSD to set them, not the windows display properties.

>>3955198
>>3954027
>>3954026
Hmm, on reflection, the "TV-Display" designation must be what the converter-dongle is calling itself. In short, its EDID is telling your machine what it is, and what it can do. It's probably not allowing sub 31kHz modes, either. Ignore what windows is telling you about the resolution you've set, it's lying. The modelines are there, but will not actually work, i'd guess. See on for more...

The dongle may also be taking whatever mode you feed it, and scaling it to a different mode. Not always 480i, if your TV won't always show a picture, but component isn't generally used for 1080p. This is conjecture. There might be specs for the dongle that tell you what it will do.

What can you do about all this? DESU i'm not entirely sure. The DVI-to-HDMI adapter might work, but i'm not sure HDMI can deliver 15kHz. I'd guess not. And even then once you turn EDID emulation on for that DVI-I port, it might disable digital video.

A better bet would be to get a VGA-To-Component transcoder capable of 15kHz and use the DVI port with a VGA adapter. However, with two graphics cards from two different brands, one of which is not at all 15kHz compatible, you'll have loads of fun identifying displays, ports, drivers, and what has control of what. This is assuming you can actually have two different drivers running properly at the same time. Windows hands control of the video output and displays over to a video driver, but which bit goes to which driver, what has control of scan limits, and what's possible, I'm not sure. It's a bit like just installing Soft15kHz and expecting things to work. The modelines will show up in Win 7, and you can pick them, but they're never going to actually display because the scanrate check blocks them. Windows, via whichever driver, will pick a 31kHz+ mode instead.

so I was thinking of buying a Radeon HD 4850 to output to my crt from my PC to emulate games at native res 320p, how well would this work?

I am planning on using soft15khz to get a low resolution out of the card, I should be good right?

>>3955237
You could always ditch the 1070 and get a top end card compatible with crt_emudriver (check the list first!) for modern games, but i'm guessing that's not what you'd prefer, which is why I haven't suggested it. That way would definitely work with the VGA-to-Component transcoder though.

>>3955240
Troll post? There is so much wrong with what you've said, or just missing, that I don't know where to start.

If you're serious, post again and i'll try to help.

>>3955246
Im being serious, no troll.

what do I need to do to get my pc to output to my crt properly?

>>3955246
>>3955240
As in, what PC and OS are you on, what system/games do you want to play, and what inputs does your CRT have?

>>3955251
CRT has component and composite inputs

I plan on emulating PS1 games and possibly whatever else a wii cannot emulate.

>>3955251
>>3955250
Oh, and is this going to be a dedicated machine, or is this your main gaming PC and you need it to run modern games too?

>>3955261
Its my main gaming PC.

>>3955261
>>3955259
You're in luck, because the Radeon R9 200 series is compatible with crt_emudriver. It has a DVI-I port, yes? (possibly marked VGA, or with the square wave icon?)

Before you start, make sure you have your windows key and that you backup everything you need to, perhaps even making an image of your windows partition, because wanting to use a modern display along with crt_emudriver and an old analogue one can get you into trouble. It's really hard to go that far wrong, but not impossible.

Next, go here, and make sure to pick the correct download!
http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=295here

Then uninstall your current video driver, and as a test, follow the guide in the next link, but only up to the point of emulating the EDID for the DVI-I port. You do not need to either generate or install any modelines, IIRC. That comes later. If you've done this part right, windows display properties will show a display connected to the DVI-I port called Generic_15, or Arcade_15, or whatever preset you picked. (Generic_15 is safe for a TV). There's no actual display plugged in there, obviously, but getting windows to think there is is the first step.

http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?id=301

If this seems ok, start playing around with your modern displays and make sure everything works as expected. Can you load AAA titles still? the version of crt_emudriver you'd be using is Crimson-based, so you might be ok. If you're happy, you can then go and drop some money on a VGA-to-Component transcoder, making sure it can handle 15kHz (low res) modes like (640x)480i and (320x)240p. You then get a DVI-toVGA adapter for $2, and a VGA cable.

I don't know much about those transcoders, save that a decent one is north of $100 if not by much, introduces no lag, and has very, very little loss of video quality.

>>3955282
Once you have the hardware, you follow that same guide right to the end - remembering to back up your shit first! That gives the system the low-res modelines to play with, and when you plug in a modern display that display will add it's own preferred modelines like 1080p, 4k, etc.

If you're not happy with the result after test-installing crt_emudriver, go back to you old driver. You would then have to build a separate rig, or wait for an update to crt_emudriver and see if it does what you want. Buying another AMD card probably won't help, as having two different Radeon drivers running concurrently may not be possible.
(crt_emudriver is a hack of the vanilla Radeon drivers)

Calamity has been on a real bender of late, so it may not be a long wait, but then you fall back into waiting again if new releases stop working.

And be aware that updates to Win 10 can in theory fuck with crt_emudriver, though it hasn't actually happened for well over a year.

The GroovyMAME subforum on Arcade Controls is the home for this stuff :)


For Soft15kHz, CRU and Powerstrip, and why you don't want to bother with them for this purpose, read back up the thread - you won't have to go far.

>>3955294
Oh, once running the EDID emulation, the DVI-I port might be hard to use with your other displays - you'd want to plug them into other ports, ideally.

>>3955282
>>3955294
>>3955303
Alrighty thanks I'll go ahead and get the hardware needed and hopefully it will work like I want it too.

>>3955310
Don't. Try the test I proposed before you spend any money or get any new gear. If it doesn't work right you'll need to think about your options.

>>3955319
alright I'll go ahead and try it

>Getting back into retro games
>Haven't had a crt in ages
>Decide to just go all out and invest in a PVM
>Worried it's just a meme/placebo sort of thing
>Finally got my rgb cables in today
>Hook everything up

Oh my fucking god. This is probably a piss poor phone camera pic, but it's fucking gorgeous. I'm sitting here giddy over how this 24 year old game looks so good on my late 90's display

The pic doesn't really do it justice. The image is as sharp as it would be on a modern display, but with proper scanlines and native resolution rendering. Doesn't have any of the blurriness or color bleeding you'd associate with crts

>>3955421
Welcome to the club

>>3955421
I guess you never used a CRT with anything better than composite? blurryness and color bleeding are the result of poor cables, not CRT.

>>3955440
>I guess you never used a CRT with anything better than composite?

Correct. I never had a crt that even had an svideo connection. Which I hear composite > svideo is a bigger fidelity leap than svideo > RGB, so I'm sure I would be impressed with that as well

But whether it's the pvm or not, I'm genuinely shocked at how good it looks. It's just amusing that something this old is just that much superior at rendering visuals (under specific circumstances) than modern displays. I like it

>>3955198
>>3955237
Display 3 is the HDMI port from my 5670 that's plugged into the HDMI > YPbPr converter, and I can only assume that's the generic name the converter sends.

And yes, I do have the regular Nvidia drivers and crt_emudriver 2.0 installed. They're not conflicting with each other at all, so don't worry there.

Yes, I'm using VMM to install the modelines to the correct display output, and no, ArcadeOSD has as much luck as the Windows settings when it comes to setting the output resolution.

>A better bet would be to get a VGA-To-Component transcoder capable of 15kHz and use the DVI port with a VGA adapter.

The only one I was able to find over the last few weeks of looking was a Monoprice one that only supports outputting 480p, 720p, and 1080i. Since my TV doesn't do 480p, I'm getting nowhere fast with that approach.

Assuming S-Video is good enough because I'm fine with doing more research and buying more shit down the line if I want to upgrade in quality, would something like this work and output 240p?

https://www.amazon.ca/Generic-Monoprice-104724-VGA-Converter/dp/B001CJOLBW/

I see a lot of converters like this for cheap and I'd rather spend $20~ for S-Video than $100+ for YPbPr right now, especially if I know it's going to work.

I have a question. Why should I use anything better than composite for a Genesis? The dithering effects that are employed heavily for transparencies and color no longer work as intended when using an RGB or even s-video set up.

>>3955497
It's personal preference really

>>3955497
It doesn't use color mixing the way that CGA-based composite makes use of, and playing from an appropriate distance and not a foot or two away allows mesh dithering to work perfectly fine.

Horizontal dithering like in EWJ and Lion King, you would lose out on, but whether it's worth it for the few games that make extremely heavy usage of that sort of dithering to put up with some of the worst quality composite out there is a decision you have to make for yourself.

Or you could just go back and forth between the two as you feel would be a appropriate; No one said once you go RGB that you can't use anything else.

>>3955454
I'm happy to be wrong about this, because i don't *know*, but... that next device is a bad idea. It will resample whatever VGA signal you feed it and output 480i, it has to, or it couldn't have the passthrough. And no way will a cheapo converter do anything else but that single conversion - it won't do anything different for 240p, 240p will get resampled and squashed into 480i. In other words, don't bother.

As I said above, your HMDI-to-YPbPr dongle is probably doing the same thing. Got any actual info on it? It will introduce lag, at the very least. And I don't think there's going to be a way to get it to work, because you can't set the EDID emulation up on a non-analogue port, and from the looks of things the device's EDID isn't going to let you deliver 15kHz modes. You can check this with something like Deltacast EDID software. (phoenix is shit). Read the EDID from the dongle and examine it in the same program. I'd be interested to hear the results.

If you want to try a passive DVI-to-HDMI adapter and can get one cheap, you could give that a go (using an emulated EDID for that port first) but i doubt the port will deliver digital video at the same time the EDID is set up.

There's probably specialty hardware to do what you want, convert to S-Video or t, but a VGA-to-Component transcoder will be cheaper. Just make sure you get one that does a 1:1 video conversion, no scaling, and that can handle 240p and 480i.

>>3955512
How much money would you say is appropriate to invest in the RGB meme? Say, 100 or 200 dollars?

>>3955895
More than you invest in your Spotify meme but less than you pay for your college meme. Meme.

Meme. Meme meme meme.

So how come this wouldn't work, even with soft15khz or crt_emudriver?

>>3955753
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VGA-to-Component-Transcoder-Retrotek-VGACTV1-/192116647418

Thoughts on this? It's literally the only VGA > YPbPr converter I can find that specifically mentions that it can do 240p

>>3956365
Because generally VGA outputs RGB, not component.

>>3956396
But even with hacked drivers?

>>3956445
That would only happen if the VGA port of the video card in question had a nonstandard capability to output component. Unless there's specific mention of it for your device, don't assume anything. From what I remember, most video cards that supported component out used a mini DIN adapter for that output.

>>3957346
>most video cards that supported component out used a mini DIN adapter for that output
Agreed, and the results are shit for gaming. Not quite as bad as S-Video through the din port, but almost.

>>3956365
>>3956445
There are all sort of connectors around for projectors, and that's probably one. Typically VGA-to-4-BNC cables, for example, are for projector use, and won't work with a PC unless you can get composite sync of out VGA pin 13.

>>3956381
The description it gives in the listing is bang on target. It'll work. I can't speak for quality though, but the seller knows his/her shit. I'd be interested to hear an opinion on the result. Remember to follow the crt_emudriver guide for the 5000 series card to the letter (if you want to use your 270x).

>>3957559
>>3956381
And please tell me this is an SD TV we're talking about... otherwise the results will just get upscaled again.

>>3957564
Of course, it's a 13" Toshiba consumer set with Component, S-Video, Composite, and RF inputs. The only thing it doesn't do is 480p, but that's whatever.

>>3957684
that's some awesome ports for a 13" consumer set, jealous

>>3957559
Well, I just bought it, and the delivery date is May 14th - 19th. I also live in the middle of nowhere, so take that into account too. I'll update you all then

I spent all this time trying to get component for everything but I really just wanted to play all my games on composite now I don't know what to do.
I can't stop touching the remote to switch back to composite, it's a stronger urge than stroking my donger.

>>3956381
Fusion's products are good and high quality

I'm all about shadow masks these days.

It's a Toshiba 20af44 with a Genesis 2 running Scart to Component.

>>3958769
>>3958764
Do you have anything with slightly less messy sprite art? Super Metroid, or something along those lines.

I've been wanting a large CRT but 4:3 Trinitrons are hard to come by and I'm wondering if shadow mask will cut it.

>>3958780
I don't have a way to take good photos but I will say I came from a 27 inch trinitron and I like these so much more.

>>3958761
Love that line of toshiba displays. I have the 13", want to get the 27"

>>3953563
The seller says the image is too bright when using RGB but fine over composite. They also showed a pic of the inputs with RGBS lines connected but no terminators on the loop-throughs and I know for a fact that particular model is not self-terminating.

Just want to know if I should swoop in and bag it for a bargain price. I can't really view/test before committing.

It's an Ikegami TM20-80RP btw.

>>3958894
Forgot to mention they also state the RGB image has a green tinge whereas the composite doesn't. Couldn't this also be down to the missing termination?

Pic of inputs.

Got a guy selling a PVM-14M2U within a 10 mile radius from me. He has it listed as $500 or Best Offer, but I know for a fact that I'm not paying $500 for it lol. The question is, what's a reasonable offer? I have no recent CRT experience.

>>3958949
If you knocked a zero off it would still be overpriced.

Let him be buried with it.

Don't open it
I'm warning you

>>3959031
ALLAH NO

>>3959031
counter-jihad time?

>>3958949
Like anyone actually accepts "Best Offers"

>$499
>"oi ya takin the piss m8"

>>3959031

IMMEDIATE NUCLEAR RETALIATION!!!

>>3959031
Praise Allah for destroying these shitty PAL sets

>>3958761
Hey, that 13 inch set is the one I use too. Have you ever had any problems with it flickering or being overly white in some areas? Mine did that when I first got it, it stopped with age, but I've never forgotten that it once did that and am horrified that it's just going to die on me some day because I ignored it's cries for help

>>3959084
Offered up to $100 and it auto-declined, aka fuck him, I guess.

Some people are just born retarded and it sucks, but make sure when you find one for a decent price, you rub it in his face.

>tfw seeing my reflection in my crt

>>3959031
Imagine having such a low level of intelligence that you have to destroy what you don't understand.

Typical Muslims, I suppose.

>>3959345
Sound like Christians too

>>3959396
sounds like /vr/ tbqh...

>>3959396
Sounds like Jews desu

>>3959435

Well I say it sounds like 'em goddamned cow-fuckin' HEENDEWS!

Can you connect both RGB and s-video from the same console to two different devices? Assuming I have a cable that does this.

>>3959473
Yup

>>3959473
I mean, I have my SNES component modded, and I have it plugged into component ports through the mod, and into my S Video port through the regular A/V port and it works as intended

>>3959117
it's worse.
They're SECAM.

>>3959674
So nothing of value was lost

>>3959812
Secam sets could do RGB and 60hz you know, even those with cog tuning.
and loads are multistandard.

>>3959031
to what end?

>>3959839
So nothing of value was lost

>>3959887
alright caveman

>>3958901
bvms almost always need those 75 ohm terminators on the video out to keep the image from being too bright.

Free XBR 970 on craigslist. This is an amazing television, and perfect for playing seventh generation games.

https://lexington.craigslist.org/zip/6102879345.html

>>3960053
hello fellow KY crt frand.

>>3960061
Hello, I'm looking for a small RGB monitor if you have one you want to get rid of.

>>3959909
I am aware of this, I have four of the fuckers. This is an Ikegami.

I might take a punt on this Ikegami after all. What's the worst case scenario? My other half takes the kids on an extended "holiday"...

>>3959909 #
I am aware of this, I have four of the fuckers. This is an Ikegami.

I might take a punt on this one after all. What's the worst case scenario? My other half takes the kids on an extended "holiday"...

>>3960657
My much older Ikegami needs terminators to avoid overbrightness and for Component to decoded properly.

Depending on what exactly they mean by "green tinge" could it possibly be that they're running it in Component mode while feeding RGB?

If it really is just a slightly green tinge, it's likely that the green bias or background pots just need adjusted.

>>3960714
Yeah I can't see it being a massive fault tbqh, probably just needs some tlc.

I'm guessing if the worst came to the worst I'd need to source a replacement RGB/YPbPr input card. Are these BKM-129X /IF-C01COMG levels of unobtainable?

>>3958894
dooooooooooo eeeeeet

Ikegami is the gold standard of what's out there. The green tinge might go away if you can open the set and adjust the gain/bias. It's not caused by the terminations though. Or this >>3960714

Too bright over RGB does sound like terminations, but not sure why composite is ok...?

Either way too bright is a better problem to have than a tube that's too dim.

>>3959018
Not quite, but you're a lot more right than him charging $500

>>3959084
Totally.

>>3959185

>>3960867
Wouldn't even have to poke around inside. The bias/gain controls are right there in the tray.

>>3960743
If you notice, that particular one is built into the monitor itself, not an actual card.

>129x
You mean 68x?

Also, in the case of the IF-C01COMG card, you can bypass it and just jungle IC mod those monitors for RGB.

I actually went up and got somewhat similarly affected picture on mine by screwing around with the pots, admittedly harder to tell due to the low res of that photo though.

>>3960867
Could be that the Hue and Chroma could just happen to be adjusted to compensate for it.

>>3960885
Noice

>>3960891
True, i didn't think of that. I never use YPbPr for anything... Which is a shame, as it's nice to be able to turn the chroma up sometimes.

>>3959031
eh not too upset by this, it's not like any of those would ever make it to the USA.

Is there any way to connect a PC to a PVM?

>>3961871

>>3961876
Is that a yes?

>>3948179
Mitsubishi

>>3961879
Read the whole thread you berk.

Pretty much half of it has been devoted to answering your question via the powerful medium of shitposting.

Hey dude that ordered the BVM-1910 manual, can you post scans/pics of it? Really trying to get my hands on it before attempting any repairs.

>>3959856
Obviously those are other people's computers, tvs and satellite dishes. The intention is to limit the information people can get to their own propaganda and prevent people from communicating with people outside their influence. They have no us for them since I'd imagine they'd just confiscated the good stuff that they can use and destroy the excess.

I see BVM-8044QD for $25 on craigslist. Should I pick it up?

>Want to play at 240p on emu
>Tied to retroshit because I need BFI to fix motion blur

>>3961929
seems like a steal to me, I'd go for it. Love my PVM-8044Q and that set looks like it's very similar aside from the SDI input.

I've found the best way to get 240p on a CRT for the cheap is to use a modded Wii. Most Wii emulators play the games at their native resolutions.

This doesn't bode well for accuracy, however.

Has anybody using CRT_Emudriver been able to get native resolution auto switching working with any PSX emulator? Been attempting to use Epsxe and GPUBladesoft but when I select native option I can go fullscreen but every time the resolution switches it either goes to static out of range or the game image stretches instead of scaling to the new res. Have been using 2560x240 in the mean time but I keep having varying degrees of screen tearing especially in Tomba on the prerendered town maps it's very consistent so idk if this is my problem

My new in box 20L2MD.
The meme wasn't bullshit after all, the quality blew my mind when I first saw it.

$5 shit

>>3950701
Sure my Noble einherjar

I am thinking of picking up a crt projection TV, is up for around 50 euros, and its a

Samsung sp43w6hd tv

What to be cautions about when buying a crt rear projection tv, Can I determine if it has any burn in on the crts when looking at the image

Thinking of making a crt projector from one of these rear crt projection television (its basically a projector inside ) ??

any help

Amiga 1080 here. I wanna use my DB9 input for RGB, would getting a DB9->DB25 and then a DB25->SCART adapter work? All the pins would line up I imagine.

>>3961905
Dude, it's the same inside as the BVM-2010, and that manual is online. All they do is change the fuse and the nameplate, i think. Of, and the 1910 comes with the NTSC option card vs the 2010's PAL one.

That said, there are always different revisions of these sets. This remains as close as you can get. Verify what you see in the manual with what's in front of you before you get to work.

>>3962061
WinUAE doesn't, and MAME is shit and there's no GroovyMAME for Wii. Retroarch - enjoy your input lag. The Wii is awesome for most consoles older than it is, however.


>>3963081
>Amiga 1080 here.
If it takes analogue RGB through the DB9, and the pins do indeed line up, i don't see why that wouldn't work. If it's digital RGB, then no.

>>3961882
>shitposting.
Which party, the morons or the pedants? Or both?

>>3963081
You'd be better off just getting an adapter to go straight from SCART to DB9. Less parts in the chain, less places for things to go wrong/introduce interference or what have you.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-TXS3082WH-Wide-Slimfit-HDTV/dp/B000F2R5CO

Anyone have any info on improving the image on one of these babies?

>>3963510
yeah, just throw it out.

>>3958901
those aren't outputs, it's two sets of inputs.

>>3963518
?????

You mean the empty jack just below each connected cable is also an input, and not the loop-through output for daisy-chaining that he worries might not be terminated? That'd be unusual, surely.

>>3963081
Good plan

Here's a question, /crt/; When did you stop using a CRT as your main television?

I don't doubt that some of you are hipsters who only own 20+ year old technology, but the rest of us are actually just normal people who realize a flatscreen has its advantages.

I actually didn't upgrade until 2014, because I skipped out on the first HD generation of games. All of my friends were getting flatscreens around 2006, but I saw no reason to, because everything we did on them looked fucking terrible because we were playing Wii games and watching DVDs through composite. I figured I'd wait until the technology got better and the sets got cheaper, and I bought my first flat screen to go with my PS4 and Wii U.

Pic somewhat related. My childhood CRT that remained in service until 2009.

>>3963518
>two sets of inputs
Just no

>>3948179
Got this Panasonic Quintrix TX-28DK1F.
Was it a mistake?

>>3963914
I was using a CRT as my main TV well into the HD game era. My apartment-mate had a flat-screen in the living room around 2009, but I had a CRT in my room and when I moved out it was back to all CRTs in the next place. I'd say 2012-2013 was when I switched over to an LCD HDTV for my main TV. I was using LCD computer monitor prior to getting an HDTV, but it was VGA only, 17" 1440x900.

>>3963546
they aren't labeled as out, are they? You can even send two different signals at the same time and get some fucked up results. I don't recommend it as it's bound to cause some stress on the set.
>>3963920
yes it is. stick to your PVMs, you don't know what you are talking about.

>>3963927
Unless is has 100Hz, no it isn't. Just set it to 4:3.

>>3958901
>RGB image has a green tinge
I had this problem on my monitor. I tried a number of things including caps and adjustments of all kinds, but it ended up being something on the input terminal board, which I swapped out entirely.

Incidentally, if the kind Canadianon who sold me that board is still floating about here, thanks again!

>>3959345
Considering those devices helps contribute to a way of life that pollutes the earth and increases death via famines, droughts, etc., they're in the right for once. When they come to your countries, they will win if you guys keep on being materialistic and taking nothing seriously.

>>3964090
No, 50Hz

>>3964039
I don't have any PVMs. Only 4 BVM-20F1Es, a JVC VM-R150E-K...and the operation manual for this Ikegami TM20-80RH...

Please don't patronise me.

>>3964039
The input/output jacks are interchangeable on most monitors. Once you plug in an input, the other set of jacks becomes the output. They are never both inputs.

>>3964232
they are both inputs. Just only use one at a time.

>>3964284
You're going to break your monitor.

Cease and desist.

>>3964295
exactly why I said it's not a good idea to do it. It's two different set of inputs. Hook two different things up at once.

Look at that, without even changing inputs, start one system up, turn the other down, turn on HDTV (480p) and internal sync and bam.

>>3964302
That is in no way a recommended use of those paired in/outs. They are labelled as a single channel and are labelled with the broadcast standard linking lines for one reason only - to be used as loop throughs. It may work to some extent but you will likely break something down the line.

As an aside I think I'm going to give this one a miss. There's a 20" Profeel just surfaced which would be a great compliment to my 27-incher.

>>3964284
Yes, you can connect two signals to both jacks and it gives you a fucked up image. That doesn't make them both inputs.

>>3964336
Doesn't it though? If I plug something into a jack, and the device then outputs the signal I input into the aforementioned jack, it is, by definition an 'input jack'.

>>3964386
yes, that's quite obviously what it means. It can be used for both. It doesn't matter. Just don't use both at the same time, that's obviously not what the device is built for.

>>3964386
Your mum has 7 orifices about her person.

If I shoot my spooge in every single of them and she moans as a result does that make them all fannies and arses?

>>3964407
are input/outputs no longer interchangeable?

>>3964450
They never were except in your vivid imagination.

>>3964407
Is this what the British consider a mom joke? I can barely understand the crude dialect of English being used.

>>3964481
turns out they are according to: >>3964302 >>3964284

if you're wrong about that, what else are you wrong about?

>>3964531
Why don't you ask Ikegami?

After they finish laughing, they'll sell you a replacement input board :)

Would pic related be too old for emulation with a modern PC?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Trinitron-PVM-8200T-9-Color-Video-Monitor-Tested-/382059832986?hash=item58f48a669a:g:HOUAAOSw7U5ZANvq

>>3963368
>>3963392
The DB25->Scart on RGC include separate sync, will that effect my chain? Or does it still have the sync in the pins? I'll be using a SNES, Genesis, and Saturn if that changes anything involving outputs.


>>3965486
>Composite only
>9"
I personally wouldn't bother, a hell of a lot of hassle (And way too much money) for a complicated project with half-baked results. 13" or so is the sweet spot for desktop /vr/ gaming for me. A 14" PVM or monitor would work fine, you might have better luck with monitors price wise. Commodore monitors and some other it should look alright.

>>3963914
I had an HD Trinitron from 2004 and I never upgraded till 2010.

I had a cable box with component and HDMI outputs for both HD and SD so I was unaffected by the analog sunset.

I only upgraded to a Panasonic 3DTV in 2010, when 3D was at it's peak in popularity.

My TV came with a Blu-ray 3D for James Cameron's Avatar and Coraline.

The only time I upgraded my TV again was in 2016, when I bought the LG G6V OLED 4K TV and I am still enjoying it today.

My main HD home theater has all my HD consoles (everything 7th gen and up except for the Wii), my NVIDIA Shield (for streaming and a few Android games), my Ultra HD Blu-ray player and it has an 11.2 surround setup.

I also have a D32E1WU BVM which is now my main for my retro home theater (I also watch LaserDiscs and VHS tapes as well as some DVDs on my BVM) which has a 6.1 surround setup.

>>3963546
>>3964039
>>3963920
>>3964174
>>3964232
>>3964284
>>3964295
>>3964302
>>3964319
>>3964336
>>3964386
>>3964402

Well f-me, he's almost right. Take a look at pic related from a PVM-14M4A. The only downside is you no longer have a 75R termination, but anything soldered externally to the BNC and linking to board ground would do that for you (at 75R). I've been staring at PVM schematics for ages and never twigged.

It does expose one source to another, but if the sources were buffered it wouldn't matter.

>>3966103
>anything soldered externally to the BNC and linking to board ground
Oops, no it wouldn't. Still, it wouldn't be hard to add something.

>>3965808
Thanks. I've been looking for a Commodore 1902 to go with my 128 for a while now, so I'll keep searching for one.

>>3966103
That's how you do pass-through. Doesn't make them both inputs.
If you connect two consoles to both, you'll be potentially shorting one's video through the inside of the other console.

>>3966097

I am imagining you as the type of guy who wears white New Balance sneakers, and has a mustache.

>>3966097
What's the point of 6.1 surround when the media you're viewing largely have Dolby Surround or Dolby Pro Logic which are effectively 3.1 anyway?

Hey, this is a bit different to the use case most of you have, but maybe you can give me an opinion.

I have this flatscreen Sony CRT TV that's progressive scan capable and has component cables input up to 480p. Anything I connect with component cables (PS2, Gamecube) looks amazing, including emulators on it (some very old NES and SNES emulators on PS2 look very similar to the actual consoles when comparing directly with both consoles hooked up on different channels)

So I'd like to connect a PC to it now.

However, the TV doesn't have VGA or any other "computer friendly" input. The only one that would give me sharp 480p is through components.

So I was looking at this HDMI to Components adapter, pic related. Any experience using things like this? One of my laptops has a HDMI output so it might just work out... I already know how to output Windows 7 at 480p.

Or is there something else I should look at besides resolution? Or a better alternative to the kind of adaptor I'm looking at?

Please note I alreade know what an ideal setup would look like (PVM and whatnot), I'm just trying to get the most out of my current setup.

>>3967365
Forgot pic

https://www.amazon.com/TNP-Component-YPbPr-Converter-Adapter/dp/B01GFAJLLC/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1493851245&sr=8-5

>>3966787
No, I personally don't like facial hair on my face and I never grew facial hair for the life of me.
But I am fab, desu.

>>3966807
Dolby Surround is 4.0, actually.

PS2, GameCube, Xbox and Wii are also consoles I play on my BVM and they have Dolby Pro Logic II which is 5.1.
And Xbox has Dolby Digital 5.1 audio.

And 6.1 is the perfect balance so that 5.1 gets utilized for systems that use it and 4.0 still works without being upmixed to 5.0.

Also, I watch VHS tapes and LaserDiscs on my BVM and many of my LaserDiscs have DTS/Dolby Digital 5.1 and a few ones even have Dolby Digital EX 6.1.

I think Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace was one of those very few LaserDiscs with 6.1 audio.
The LaserDisc only came out in Japan, though.

Also, I play some of my PC games on that CRT and with 6.1 surround sound.

And I sometimes even watch some DVDs on my BVM, some of them even have 6.1.

My favorite 6.1 surround movies are:
>Star Wars: The Complete Saga
>The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy
>Ghost in the Shell + Innocense
>Rebuild of Evangelion Saga
>The End of Evangelion
>The Studio Ghibli Collection
>The Taylor Swift Collection
>Samurai Jack
>CSI series

>>3967713
Do you even have the surround decoder for the laserdiscs tho?

>>3964137
>they're in the right for once
>actively dislikes CRTs and electronics as a whole
>in a CRT thread
>on /vr/

Why the fuck are you even here?

>>3967753
Yes. I do.

>>3967798
Coolio. I had a Pro Logic II setup for a while for N64/Gamecube stuff, it was pretty fun.

Was bowing and such evident on CRTs during their time, or is that just an issue now because of their age?

>>3967817
Wow.
But I'm sure that the Nintendo 64 was only Dolby Surround 4.0 but GameCube and Wii are both Dolby Pro Logic 5.1.

>>3967920
Yeah, N64 is Pro Logic, Gamecube is Pro Logic II. though they both sort of suck since it's decoded from an analog stereo source.

>>3967943
I still like it, though.

And LaserDisc Dolby Pro Logic Surround 4.0 is amazing which is similar to Nintendo 64 Dolby Pro Logic.

Most LaserDiscs are Dolby Surround 4.0 when they're not DTS/Dolby Digital 5.1, plain stereo or mono.

Anyone started manufacturing these things again yet to capitalize on the autistic nerd market?

>>3963914
2007 because I didn't have room and hd text was unreadable on it. Luckily I kept it though and now its set up with my consoles and dvd/vcr. Unfortunately I didn't keep my CRT PC monitor.

>>3963914
Never. I just kept buying used crt tvs from garage sales. I did get a shitty $150 lcd in 2008 and a laptop some years later but they both have very shitty screens and horrible viewing angles and glare. I dont have any HD sources other than my shitty laptop. I might get a ps3 off craigslist for cheap but will still play it on a crt. CRT 4EVER.
>>3968163
I also watch anime tiddy vhs tapes on my crt

>>3968175
That's a still from a Saturn game I posted, but yes, anime dvds look way better scaled down to 480i than they do blown up to 1080p. The former looks very clean the latter is distorted by ugly digital artifacts. I don't watch a whole lot of anime though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-Sega-Saturn-Svideo-s-video-AV-Cable-for-PAL-NTSC-U-USA-NTSC-J-JP-/172635799660?hash=item2831e5406c:g:ifAAAOSwWxNYnruR

Anybody ever buy one of these from this seller? Are they at least as good as the OEM Saturn s-video cables?

>>3968181

I was blown away by how shitty my Dragon Half DVD looked when I first popped it into my blu-ray player to try to watch it on my LCD monitor. It wasn't even watchable, and I've watched that DVD countless times on countless CRTs.

>>3968207
If you want to actually vomit, plug in a VCR to your 1080p+ HDTV and pop in a tape.

>>3968207
my nigga. unfortunately I lost my dragon half vhs tape years ago. I want to get the sexy laserdisc version some day.

>>3968212
I'm curious about trying this because I'm a sadist.

>>3968214
I exclusively watch it on VHS now. I'd love to collect the Japanese VHS and LD, but I've never come across them.

>>3968243
My bro the Cutie Honey & Catgirl NukuNuku promos were so very hot on that tape. I love finding old anime vhs at thrift stores. Dvd & Bluray are too fucking expensive.

here is 3×3 Eyes. The tint was fucked up for this pic.

>>3968259
Agreed. There's nothing comfier to me than watching anime on VHS on a CRT late at night.

>>3968281
many faps were had. some of my first. ruined my life.

Where do I find CRTs in Brisbane, Australia?

>>3968427
Ask a Abo?

>>3968435
>implying abos even know what electricity is

>>3966780
Or you could read what i wrote, but sure. It would not be hard to mod any set, with a single set of inputs/ouputs set up that way, to have two inputs.

I have a PVM-20N2A with a fault, and can't find the service manual to get started. Google isn't helping.

Can anyone help? Anything from the list below is covered by the same manual:

PVM-14N1A. PVM-14N1E. PVM-14N1MDE. PVM-14N1U. PVM-14N2A. PVM-14N2E. PVM-14N2U. SSM-14N1A. SSM-14N1E. SSM-14N1U. PVM-20N1A. PVM-20N1E. PVM-20N1U. PVM-20N2A. PVM-20N2E. PVM-20N2U. SSM-20N1A. SSM-20N1E. SSM-20N1U

I have the manual for the N5 & N6 series, but would love the correct one. Much obliged.

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/192116647418

>Ordered April 30th
>Still hasn't shipped
>$150~ Canadian dollary doos

Why do I even try

>>3966097
When living with my parents, we always had a CRT TV. For what I remember, we had a 21" SABA set in the early 90s, then a 21" Phillips, a 27" Sanyo, a 13" Waltham for my bedroom ( I remember playing Zelda MM on PAL launch on it, so it was in the late 90s I guess) and finally a 32" HD Ready Samsung T402 in the early x360/Wii era (for which I lobbied my parents to buy instead of a subpar LCD screen, which would have been horrible with most SD sources).
My parents got an LCD in 2010 when they moved elsewhere, and I was keeping the Sanyo one at this point. A friend later gave me a 32" Wega Trinitron which was fantastic for Laserdiscs. I got a couple of PVM during this time too. All of them were SCART-RGB, except for the small Waltham
This was until 2014, when I started traveling around, so I put everything in an attic, waiting for my next apartment.

So I never had anything other than a CRT as my main TV. And except for one LCD PC monitor, I never even had a flatscreen at all. Even today I'm rocking a Sony FW900 as my external monitor on my laptop ( and I'm scheduled to pick up a 19" IIyama as a second screen this week).

I don't think I'll be getting any LCD TV soon, I really hate all that Smart TV bullshit (which is completely redundant in France anyway), and i might just get a projector later on. ( and if I find some 3-CRT projector, I'll definitely get it). If I ever get a PS4, I'll just play it on my PC monitor.

>>3966097
This was obviously meant for >>3963914
Have my latest CRT acquisition as an apology

>>3969005
>I don't think I'll be getting any LCD TV soon, I really hate all that Smart TV bullshit
I don't mind it, although I really only use it to have one-button access to netflix. Otherwise it's not like it's intrusive. You wouldn't know it was a "smart" TV unless you went poking through the menus. I'm glad I bought mine when I did, though. A lot of my friends are now upgrading from their first LCD TVs, and many of them are coming through with that "TruMotion" bullshit that makes everything look like a cheap soap opera, and on a lot of them it just straight up cannot be disabled now.

>>3968959
If your ebay purchase not being shipped 4 days after payment is the biggest problem you have in your life, consider yourself lucky.

I found this little daewoo VCR combo tv next to the dumpster. Had been lookong for a small one for quite a while. They cut the cord off probably for recycling purposes but I opened it up and rewired a new plug. Only bad things are how curved the glass is. It gives fast moving games a very warped look in motion. The buttons on the front don't respond well and do random things when pressed but a quick smart remote download on my phone fixed that right up. I think it's 13"

>>3969373
Not bad at all, not go get some early fansubbed anime on VHS and put it to good use

>>3969409
Is the exceptionally warped glass just typical of these sets because brand or size? I've owned a number of crts in the past with much less of a bend. I guess I'll just get used to it

>>3969431
It's a function of having a spherical section front surface combined with a relatively narrow deflection angle.

Just simple geometry dictated by physics.

>>3969007
I had a friend that had the total package : CPC6128, color monitor, tuner.
The huge thing is the tuner also had a scart input, so the whole thing could be a compact center.
Never could try the scart though as I didn't have any console back then.

>>3969443
Ok, assumed it was likely as a result of its small size. Thanks for the info >>3969443

>>3968959
Contact the seller or open a dispute.

>>3969030
Losing $150 may not be a big deal to you, but some people work for their money.

>>3969479

Alternatively, some people earn plenty of money at work and $150 really isn't that big a deal.

>>3963914
never, because i bought a crt hdtv when consoles went hd.

>>3969453
Mine doesn't have the tuner, although there is one for sale in my area for 40 bucks (monitor + tuner), but I don't really care, since I got a SCART to DIN off ebay. Supposedly, this monitor will only accept RGB signals, and will display composite signal in black and white.

>>3969027
I'm grouping all these mandatory picture enhancements with those Smart TV things. I just need a display, not a whole fucking computer. My ISP already provide me a set-top box.

>>3969007
>>3969453
Interesting about the tuner box having a SCART input. There was one for sale on eBay UK very recently which I considered picking up for frivolous purposes but nice to hear it could actually be put to some sort of use in this age of digital-only broadcast.

I also recently acquired a CTM-644 (with a functional CPC-464 into the bargain) for £20 and have to say I find the image quality to be excellent for such a seemingly humble display.

I thoroughly recalibrated it and rolled my own conversion cable with a cheap DIN connector from Maplin.

>>3969007
>Retro computer

Good lad, best use of a CRT. I've got my Amiga 1200 hooked up to mine.

>>3969373
You know curved glass is better right?
It's my favorite thing about CRTs.

>>3970085
good stuff

inb4 not retro.

running on gamecube with swiss forcing 240p

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>>3959345
" I heard while we were gone, a spy put a camera inside one our TV's"... "DESTROY ALL OF THEM.. WE HAVE OPIUM MONEY AND CAN BUY MORE. oh yeah and film it. it'll be funny...then afterwards we can use them as targets...because fuck it" my thoughts on that...

>>3970174
Dont like it... I want to but I just cant.

Going to buy a 9" PVM for $250 tomorrow fml

Local pickup so no damage, and has an RGB card and travel case. Need this model specifically. But I really wanted this for like $80.

>>3970564
>9"
>$250

>>3963914

90s - 2006: Parent's black plastic Sony ~27". Great TV for its time, but didn't have RCA jacks, so always had to do the RF-Adapter bullshit.

They still have that TV. Never got a flat panel. When the Analog > Digital Broadcast Transition happened they lost all TV reception. Can't get cable. Fuck satellite. So they just don't really use a TV any more. (Yes there are probably solutions, but they're weird.)

2004-2006: bought a TV for my room. Sansui ~25". From Best Buy for $150. Played lots of GameCube on this! Bought the TV specifically because it had component input, but did not buy the GameCube component cables at the time. Should have! Fuck.

2006-2008: Played Smash Bros Melee. on my college roommate's ~14" CRT. Flat Panels were starting to become available and the few people that had them were the shit.

2008: Found a ~27" CRT outside a dorm on move-out day. Dragged it back to the house I was sharing with a bunch of people.

2010: Move out of shared house. Drag that TV up 3 flights of stairs to summer apartment. After summer drag to a real apartment, after swearing I'd get rid of it for a flat panel.

2010+: Continue using that dumpster-find CRT. Find it increasingly hard to read HD text in games. Sound sucks. Getting up to change channels isn't terrible at the time but is insane in hindsight.

2012-13 or so: Flat panel Sony from Fry's. Floor model which might be stupid in hindsight, but it was a discontinued model with a really awesome "flat" bezel glass design. LOVE IT. Can't imagine getting anything shittier than a sony.

2015: Wall mount that Sony. Current configuration.

>>3970564
>9" PVM for $250

Stop. A 9" PVM will look like shit because it's fucking 9 inches.

>>3970629
>Stop. A 9" PVM will look like shit because it's fucking 9 inches.

Turning it into a emulation station with an integrated Raspberry Pi w/ RGB output. This is the only 9" model that will work.

Leaving town and tomorrow is the only time I can buy it locally (if I had another month the dude would for sure drop his price)

Idk though, I realize it's stupid. Maybe I'll back out.

>>3970629
I have a 5.5" 13cm one and hes magnificent.

>>3970638
B&W one btw

>>3948179
What about HD CRT tv's?
Want to get myself some sony wega with hdmi so I can plug it to PC and lay emulated vidya on it but I remember reading that HD CRT's have just as much input lag as modern LCD and unlike them dont have game mode.

>>3970641
Also, live in pal region and want to emulate ntsc games, will they work on 50hz or all I need is ntsc mode.

www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-411-Monochrome-Video-Monitors-set-of-four-on-rack-mount-/172658998783?hash=item2833473dff:g:r~UAAOSwqBJXVJtR

GUYS, GUYS! IS THIS GOOD!?!?

>>3970692
>www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-411-Monochrome-Video-Monitors-set-of-four-on-rack-mount-/172658998783?hash=item2833473dff:g:r~UAAOSwqBJXVJtR

I've always wanted to get something like that and set up 4-tv tetris or some shit. Would be cool for renting out to parties.

>>3970657
Most of decent sets since the mid 90s have automatic support for various ntsc and 60hz modes

>>3970193
is there something wrong with your display?

>>3971087
Nah. Phone just sucks at taking pics of screens.

>>3971209
Yeah, I think he meant that you are a crt counterpart of vertical phone vids.
What the hell is wrong with you ngmi bot?

>>3971219
Ahh. I get it good goof.

>>3970657
Petty much every PVM ever made was made for 60hz

Even my mid 80s mode runs 576p60 despite that not even being a thing back then

>>3971229
If you mean those supposedly super dank monitors from sony I wouldn't mind but I wont be able to hunt those and the only for sell I seen are 9' and cost my monthly wage so no.
If something I'll go for one of those 29' wega/trinitrons and replace my lovely 21' samsung (I dont think I can connect to it my PC so I wanted something bigger and with hdmi)

>>3971226
Ikaruga is made for 480p, thats why it looks shitty.

>>3970641
What about this part?
>I remember reading that HD CRT's have just as much input lag as modern LCD and unlike them dont have game mode.

Since those are hdtv they surely have some image processing.
How do I go about choosing hdtv crt, there are no input lag tests for those.

>>3972097
>How do I go about choosing hdtv crt
you don't for 240p/480i content
you can consider them for 480p, but you'll still get some lag I believe, but less than with 240p/480i

>>3972097
>there are no input lag tests for those.
Sony's HDCRTs have 2 frames of lag for 480p, 3 frames for 240p/480i. Native 1080i via HDMI may have less than 480p when certain service menu settings are adjusted, but I haven't been able to test this.

bimp

So I just received this Panasonic from a friend of my dad, it has S-video and 1 component
What do you guys think?
So far is the only crt I have found in this area

>>3974539
check back for model number then search the specs if it's HD/100hz (or not idealy)

>>3974539
Looks like an sd tau, good consumer sets. look on the back and find the model #

>>3974673
>>3974832
panasonic CT-F2520S

>>3970564

UPDATE: Did not buy the $250 PVM due to scheduling before my flight. Still need a PVM-9L3.

Yo /vr/

Got my first CRT from a friend local, Not sure what I'm looking at here.

Unit runs perfgectly fine, color is crisp, and Sound quality is A-OK, but i get this really weird cascading raindrop effect.

I've checked the cables, swapped them out, and tried shutting off all the other devices in the house in case it was interference. I'm running Composite off an RF modulator.

I should mention its a bit stormy, but theres no broadcast signal, so would that matter at all?

Many thanks in advance.

>>3974539
NES with Composite

>>3974539

>>3974539
My RF connector is dead, I wanted to check the difference

>>3974997
EDIT: I'm being stupid. That was PS2 composite, heres Super Fami

Explain component cables to me /vr/

Most game consoles come with composite, (RWY) right? Are most consoles (4th 5th gen) Compatible with component cables (RGB) natively, or do you need some form of adapter or splitter?

Official component support started with OG Xbox, Gamecube and PS2.
For earlier consoles, you need to take RGB signal and convert it to component (assuming the console outputs RGB, else you need to mod it). Most common is using SCART to component converters, there are also cables for some consoles that have a converter built in.

Also be aware that while the component cables are red, blue and green, they do not actually carry an RGB signal.

Is anyone here electrically savvy? I've been trying to build an RGB to YPbPr cord for my dreamcast for a few weeks now and I'm not getting anywhere.

Pic related is the schematic I've followed but currently all those resistors are trimpots. I just discovered that my ICL7660CPA is only putting out -1v instead of -5v and I have no idea why. I suspect this is why my picture is very purple and missing the near-black greys.

>>3975294
That circuit is complete garbage.
It's always better if you can understand what you're building or else you run into problems you can't solve at your own.
>I just discovered that my ICL7660CPA is only putting out -1v instead of -5v and I have no idea why
Read the datasheet.
>I suspect this is why my picture is very purple and missing the near-black greys.
How are you supposed to generate R-Y and B-Y without differential amplifiers?
There are none in the circuit and there are no clamps either.

>>3975797
>tells to read datasheet
>doesn't read datasheet himself

>>3975294
the circuit is missing 8-4 feedback on the second chip

>>3975797
>Read the datasheet.
I have, and I'm using it in nearly the exact way it shows in its application note. I just dont know what to do with pins 7 and 6 the Osc and LV.

You say that its garbage. What do you do to improve it? I do not know what one needs to so to apply 'clamps'.

>>3975797
Also, aren't these differential amps? Or just comparators? Check out pic related, its nearly the same circuit.

>>3976515
don't listen to him, he has no idea what he's talking about

do as he says >>3975827
and also try to find out why you're getting only -1V instead of -5

>>3976519
those are operational amplifiers

as you can see in the second one, pin 4 shouldn't be connected to ground, it should be connected to pin 8

So let me get this straight

To get a SNES in true color, all i need is an SCART cable, and a modulator that supports SCART?

>>3976560
yeah RGB is RGB; you could also use a SCART TV if you're a eurofriend or a SCART to whatever you want converter depending on your display.

Does anyone have any experience with something like pic related? I managed to get a PVM for a good price (compared to other bullshit I've seen in my country)and I want to use my speakers on it.

>>3976521
Thanks for letting me know, I was just starting to research alternative methods.

Actually I'm still considering pic related. It uses a QFN chip though so that will require more breakout boards.

Do you have any idea what I might be doing wrong to my voltage inverter? I have two of the chip and both give me about -1v. Ive made sure that my capacitors are oriented correctly and that they are the correct capacitance. Is it because I'm using 35v? I've heard that too high a voltage cap in a low voltage circuit reduces capacitance. Maybe that is the case and I should use something closer to 10v 10uF?

>>3976714
>Retron 5

Stopped reading there. Fuck off.

>>3976718
You realize that entire post was ironic right?

I dont have S-Video on my BVM but I'd like to use my n64 on there, is there a proper way to go s-video to component/rgb inputs?

>>3976718
Autism?

Are there any modulators that support composite/component IN to BOTH SCART and S-Video?

I keep finding either one or the other, and I really dont want two modulator boxes

Alright /vr/ explain this to me.

I just bought Pic related about a week ago, and it arrived today. I get that the plug (Green) is the SCART and goes to an SCART adapter, which I have. But how in the world does (RED) Connect to any of the consoles? Do I need another adapter to hook them into? Theres no way any of this goes in.

>>3976827
The 'red' connect to a PVM. You'll need a male-male scart adapter to connect a console to the 'green' part. I think you bought the wrong cable, anon.

>>3976840
Shoot.

Would something like this work better then?

So If I get this straight, it would be:

Console -> SCART cable male/male -> YUV converter -> CRT ?

>>3976827
Just like >>3976840 said, it's a Scart to BNC adapter. It's used for RGB monitors without a Scart input, but with a RGBS BNC one.
You plug your male Scart from your consoles into the female Scart on that cable, and plug the BNC to the monitor.

>>3976827
This cable is only useful if you are not using any type of converter and using a PVM only. If you do have a PVm you only need the respective scart cable of the console you want to use and plug in the cable you have an plug it in the PVM.

>>3976863
>>3976865

Well after researching it seems my CRT is standard RF, so i've been using a composite adapter,

I'm trying to find a way to adapt RBG signals to it, since it is a 240P and compatible as long as I use a converter like a YUV, I just can't figure out the hookups.

I just want to make sure I dont buy the wrong thing again.

>>3976862
What kind of tv are you using? Are you looking to have component input? RGB?

>>3976871
>>3976870

ts a Japanese CROWN CRT. Works like a charm with composite, but yes I'd love to try getting component/RGB on it.

>>3976840
>>3976863
>>3976862

I didn't realize that was a male scart plug on the end of that cable, disregard the male-male adapter part of my post (in that context at least). But basically we need to know what inputs your TV has.

>>3976875
So it has RCA or BNC inputs for those formats?

>>3976879

From what I can tell its just Coaxial RF. I'm running it through a modulator that supports Composite out

>>3976875
Post a picture of the inputs

>>3976883
Best picture I can give ATM. It has 4 bolts on back with one Coaxial

>>3976884
I take it there's no on-screen display for channel/volume or anything like that?

>>3976827
You need a scart breakout cable for the console, like this

>>3976889
It has a small number screen below screen that displays the channel, but no volume display. Its all analog.

>>3976887
You'd need to hook directly into the neckboard.

It's complicated and totally not worth it for that set.

>>3976894
So there'd be no way to go RF to YUV to SCART then?

>>3976898
Of course there is but it will ultimately result in RF which is shit.

>>3976870
>I just can't figure out the hookups.
There are no hookups on that TV anon. I'm afraid you've become confused.

Maybe im a bit out of topic, but since it relates to CRT televisions and its accessories i think it may be worth a shot:
basically, i have this old Famitwin which i would like to use with my old CRT PAL TV; obviously, being an old late 80s TV, it doesn't support NTSC-J, so it shows my image in black and white.
Would using a cheap chinese NTSC to PAL/PAL to NTSC converter show the picture in colour as it should?
Would it cause any kind of slowdowns or graphical glitches?
Playing an 8bit console on a flat TV hurts my eyes..

>>3976780
The proper way would be a BKM-24N for NTSC, BKM-25P for PAL or BKM-27T for both.

If you're a Hue you'll want a BKM-26M for PAL-M.

What's the point of playing on CRT displays and using scanlines and stuff? Is it nostalgia and personal taste because personally I think 2x filters look better

>>3976898
You got it backwards, you'd have to go SCART to RF to send a signal to that tv, but that'd be a bad idea.

But yeah you basically bought an adapter that you can't use. Normally it lets you use RGB cables with a professional video monitor, but trying to convert it to RF for a low end consumer set would completely defeat the purpose of using high end cables, down that path lies wasted money and poor returns.

>>3976913
you might wanna track a 90's brand tv. Most of them would support NTSC signal through composite or scart. Would be way easier.

>>3976918
Less nostalgia and more personal taste. I like the razor sharp, vibrant image and defined scanlines on a high-end aperture grille set. I never owned an aperture grille set as a kid and didn't have any sets with defined scanlines, recently tried out SNES over composite on a 32-inch mid-90s Panasonic and it was very soft and blended, with no defined scanlines at all.

>>3976939
Sorry, i forgot to mention that i've already tried it on a 2000/2001 CRT Sony PAL TV and it still show up in black and white. (i've tried both through SCART and composite)

>>3976958
Must have been feeding composite through the SCART.

RGB isn't subject to colour encoding issues and would have been fine.

>>3976958
that's weird.
>>3976963
Scart also accepts composite video through pin20.

>>3976887
You're going RF only on that bad boy, no RGB for sure. If you need composite into it, just run if through a VCR.

>>3977000
I know, i was expecting to work since it's basically a modern TV (compared to the other one i also have) but it doesn't.

Also, forgive me but im a bit ignorant when it comes to TVs, cables and signal, so im not sure what the other anon meant by "RGB"; the Twin Famicom i have only uses composite (video and audio), which i have connected to my flat screen TV through a composite-SCART cable, which looks like this

>>3977057
And it works in color with your flat panel tv ?

>>3977075
Yup, it works on my flat TV!
It seems to be a multistandard TV from what i've seen, because for example, also imported PS2 and Gamecube (both are modded of course) games shows up in colour on it, while on my other two CRT TVs they're in black and white

>>3977087
from what country are you ?
Manufacturer might have not implemented NTSC decoders for tvs sold in your country. Would kinda suck...

>>3977106
I live in Italy
The CRT TVs i have bought came from the flea markets, so im not sure if they were meant for my country's market or were imported from some other European country

>>3976914
no s-video inputs on those buddy

>>3976815
>modulators
I would like you to define "modulator"

>it's another retard that thinks he can convert RGB to RF and have it magically be better than RF

god fucking damn it not again

>>3968959
>Finally shipped
All is right in the world, this is exactly why I try

>>3977129
>no s-video inputs on those buddy
Not gonna find them on one of those input cards either. Need a breakout to get Chroma and Luma onto 2 BNC connectors; They do support S-Video though

>>3976653
Anyone?

>>3977805
Does your breakout cable not already have audio jacks?

>>3977810
Nope, I only have normal multi-out SCART cables and I can't find any other variant. I've seen on youtube that you can mod them but I'd prefer going for the safe route.

>>3977805
I had stuff like this back in the day, albeit with " audio RCA on the side of it rather than a 3.5" jack.
I worked fine. I heard that some cheapass adapters would only output composite, but no way to tell beforehand.

https://www.tori.fi/satakunta/Sony_TV_miehen_kannettava_29__31942774.htm?ca=18&w=3
any finnish people here? That TV is too far away from where I live, but I hope someone here gets it. 10€ ain't too bad.

>>3970564
>>3974958
Jesus fucking why? The demand for these things has gotten out of control! It's so bad that people are now paying meme prices on the ones that are too small to actually see a fucking difference between RGB and s-video. At this point, you really are just paying money to say that you own a PVM.

Kill yourself, please.

>>3976714
>unlockable NES games in Animal Crossing
That shit was my jam. Too bad they can't do that anymore because of how much it would cut into their virtual console revenue.

>>3976890
I have to wonder, all these people who make aftermarket RGB cables for retro systems, why do they use SCART? Why not just cut out the middle man and go right to RCA or BNC?

>>3978475
the meme is strong

>>3976718
LOLd hard

>>3978475
Because SCART is more prevalent ?

>>3978638
Except most of these sellers are based in the US where it isn't. Almost every RGB monitor you get in the US is going to be BNC or VGA.

Be mad about this with me, /crt/.

http://imgur.com/a/nIBqT

>>3978838
the worst is that he could have fitted all that inside without ruining everything.


>Unfortunately I didn't take any pictures before I started gutting the system. I actually thought it didn't work at all because I didn't know how to switch it on properly - turns out you need to PULL the power knob. The original CRT screen might have worked, and it would have been cool to use that, but it would have probably been difficult to get a video signal to it since the TV had no inputs at all, just the built-in TV antenna. So I took all the old stuff out and now it needs a new screen

baka

>>3978475
Literally because >>3978480

If somebody starts making console to VGA/BNC cables, nobody will will look for them because they're all searching for SCART cables. There would need to be a community shift away from SCART before that becomes viable.

>>3978838
Let me guess, you found this on reddit.

>>3978912
>turns out you need to PULL the power knob
What a maroon.

>>3978838
oh good lord, what a cute set and he put a fucking LCD IN IT

>>3978838
>Unfortunately I didn't take any pictures before I started gutting the system. I actually thought it didn't work at all because I didn't know how to switch it on properly - turns out you need to PULL the power knob. The original CRT screen might have worked, and it would have been cool to use that, but it would have probably been difficult to get a video signal to it since the TV had no inputs at all, just the built-in TV antenna. So I took all the old stuff out and now it needs a new screen

How do people like this know how to breathe?

>>3978838

>>3978959
ok, now i'm mad.

>>3978838
why not just hook it to the antenna

>>3978990
that would make way too much sense, anon. Better to jam a rectangular LCD display inside so you can emulate games using a wireless controller with a useless D-Pad.

Is it safe to use glasses/contact lense cleaner on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use windex on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use dish soap on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use rubbing alcohol on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use goo-gone/goof-off on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use hydrogen peroxide on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use bleach on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use gasoline on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use methyl hydrate on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use paint thinner on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use pink erasers on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use white erasers on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use fingernail of thumb on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use Mr. Clean Magic Eraser on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use nail polish remover on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use saliva on CRTs to clean them?
Is it safe to use enbalming fluid on CRTs to clean them?