/vr/ - Retro Games

It's not even close to being in the running for the best, but it's near the top of the "Not even close to being in the running for the best but still really great"-tier JRPGs.

>>3941428
Which games are in the running?

>>3941325
I like Grandia and Grandia II, OP. It's alright. I dunno about best, but it's definitely pretty good.

>>3941325
Justin a fag and best girl leaves the party halfway through the game.

>>3941325
Not the best, but it's great and hands down the best in the series.

>>3941506

FF 6,7,9
Chrono Trigger
Earthbound
Suikoden II
Phantasy Star IV

>>3942482
what about me?

>>3942482
I should really play Suikoden II some day.

>>3942482
What is this? GameSpot's Top 7 JRPGs?

>>3941325
I just started this earlier today.
Combat is a bit confusing, any tips for how things work?

>>3942768
Mash X and the game plays itself. Don't worry, you can't lose.

>>3942770
That doesn't really help much, I mean, there's gotta be more to it than just spamming combo, right?
Also I'm not so sure about being unable to lose, things got a bit bad in a battle where Sue was surrounded by 4 slimes and almost died, which leads me into another question, can I control my character positioning at all, or more specifically, can I make them run away from enemies if they're surrounded/low on HP?

I remember playing this ages ago and finding the voice acting extremely grating, but that's really the main negative I could recall.

>>3942804
>can I control my character positioning at all,
No.

>>3942808
On the plus side there are very few voiced cutscenes. But yeah the VA is horrible.

How's the sequel?

>>3942759
looks like a pretty good list to me, just missing some Mana and Xeno

>>3942804
>can I make them run away from enemies if they're surrounded/low on HP?
it's under defend, it's a menu not an option, misleading i know.

>>3942545
too good to be in the same list as the others.

>>3942482
I know this is bait but I bet at least 90% of the "fans" constantly dickriding Chrono Trigger haven't even played it in the first place. Not to say that it's bad, in fact it aged pretty well for a SNES RPG but really nothing that special besides muh 12 endings in a JRPG.

I think Grandia is pretty cool guy, but eh is inferior to Wild ARMs.

>>3941325
It's high up.

>>3943723
>mario "RPG's"
fucking dismissed

>>3943723
That list... I know it's bait but it hurts just from looking at it.

>>3941325
I've ranted too many times here about how disappointing I found this game, being billed as all about the joy of exploration and then having dungeons that were boring as fuck to actually explore. I also hated the characters and think the voice acting is some of the worst of all time.

But it does have a pretty neat and fun battle system which gives it big points. Also I was starting to burn out on the genre already then and it takes a lot for an RPG to win me over now. I'm just glad someone liked it.

>>3943723
>SaGa-pleb
>Mana-great

Please tell me that's a joke list.

>>3943723
I feel like FE should be split into new FE (Awakening, Fates...) and old school FE (SNES era). Also Shining Force is missing completely.
And swap Mana with Phantasy Star.

>>3943723
Now that's the most retarded pic I've seen

>>3943723
Thanks I almost spit coffee all over my laptop

It's way too drawn-out and the battles are a joke. Only some bosses present a decent fight. Granted, Grandia 2 was worse, I don't think I ever used a potion in that game.

>>3943418
This neigger knows whats up

>>3943368

>it's the "games age" meme

This bait is of excellent quality.

>>3943925
>things don't age
lol

>>3943929

>gameplay

>an intangible thing

>it ages, you see

>>3943925
Again? How dumb can you fucking be if you can't wrap your head around such a simple concept?

>>3943945

>he's really going all-out now

>>3943947
I'm not >>3943929
Don't tell me you also can't comprehend that 2 people can call you out on your stupidity AT THE SAME TIME! Amazing!

>>3943949

>don't worry, he'll give up and leave eventually

>>3943925
>Actually, games "aging" is a metaphor for the irreversible shift of perception associated with the arrival of new game mechanics, and the difficulty of adapting to the context of old ones. Once you've experienced, say, the smoothness of post-2000s computer FPS controls, it's difficult to adjust to the controls of 5th gen FPS given their experimental nature.

Perceptions of standard mechanics obviously change with the contemporary trends in the medium. Your insistence to interpret this in a completely literal way is either trolling or lacking mental capacity.

>>3943957
You should have posted that on r/ELI5, poor anon won't be able to read all that text.

>>3943957

Either the game is good or it isn't. It doesn't magically become less good as time goes on.

>>3943964
holy fuck... dude, just kill yourself

>>3943934
>>3943949
Sorry, but I remember the days when Pole Position was the best racing game around and seemed mind blowing.

Not that it can't still be fun, but it's clearly a product of it's age.

>>3943964
>"How can you say that humanity has progressed? We're still biologically the same, so what sense that does make? If I grew up in a trial social structure with collective farming, I'd still be dumb as shit. Humans don't magically change as time goes on!"

>>3943969

I'll totally get right on that, just because some fuckhole on the internet said to.

>>3943986

Humanity hasn't changed. History is a damning indictment of that.

>>3943978

So is it a good game, or not?

Protip: If you have to say "it was good for its time", then it was never actually good.

>>3943993
But we used to be all tribalistic and insanely violent to interlopers. Now we're... ohh right. Nevermind.

>>3943986
Shit argument, humans actually age, turn old and die over time, video games don't and they are identical as they were released and will never change, sure you may now get frustrated because older games were more challenging and new are a cake walk but that doesn't mean they "aged" and are terrible, it just means you are a terrible player.

>>3943964
Disagree. A game can be revolutionary when it comes out and be one of the best games at that time. But when somebody that hasn't played it previously were to play it today, the game could very well not hold up because the revolutionary things about it might have become standard or were improved in other games.
I don't think that really applies to JRPGs since gameplay tends to stay relatively similar over the years, but it's definitely real when you go back and play older FPS especially.

>>3944002
See >>3943957
Just because you're retarded doesn't mean you shouldn't read.

>>3944000
>implying the problem is human nature and not production based on market exchange and private ownership

>>3943996
>Protip: If you have to say "it was good for its time", then it was never actually good.

See that's where I disagree. Because at the time it was good. But part of what made it good was that we had little else to compare it to. So in the early 80's it was amazing, but by even the early 90's it couldn't compete with something like Ridge Racer.

To say it was never a good game is disingenuous, but to say that it's as good a racing game as those would come later is just plain untrue.

So I guess you can say that if it was "good for it's time" that it never actually was, but I disagree. It was and still is, but it's also very clearly a very early video game and clearly a product of it's day.

>>3944003
Console RPGs have gotten worse with time, I've yet to enjoy any post-/vr/ rpg as much as Dragon Quest 3. They almost always make battles completely trivial, get way to bogged down in dialogue and take way too fucking long to beat. The basic mechanics have turned into tedious obstacles to slog through before reaching the next story beat, instead of cornerstones of game design.

>>3944006
That's a really good way to dodge the Triggered Ones. Also true.

>>3944006
Look at the history of pre-colonial North America. Relatively very few people populating a continent with vast natural resources and who were very skilled at agriculture. As well a very little "market" and concept of private ownership.

Yet the various tribes were all constantly at war with one another with times of widespread peace being brief and uncommon. This is true of everywhere of course, but that example exemplifies it.

>>3944021
Probably a matter of taste. I look at DQ and while I understand that the series was highly influential, it just seems so incredibly generic and unappealing to me.

>>3943945
>>3943929
>>3943368
>>3943957
>>3944003
>>3944021
Just say dated

>>3943723
>Wild Arms
>Weeaboo shit.

>Play Sakura Taisen 1
>It has slow and boring gameplay
Surely it's because the game is old!!!
Fucking aged like milk I could honestly say!

>>3944034
>Just say dated
Dated is fine too, but aged is just as good. Wasn't my choice of words, just agreeing with the sentiment that it's a real aspect of a game.

>>3943723
>GRATE
>XENO
Look, I love Gears, but I couldn't really call it "great" by any means. Blade is the only actually remarkable and not "deeply flawed yet enjoyable" game in the series, and even it is rather entry-level.

This just goes to demonstrate the fundamental nature of this image: if it isn't bait, it's posturing based on perceived "cred" rather than actually ranking based on quality.

>>3944046
I fucking love aged milk though.

>>3944024

Which leads to the inescapable conclusion that the problem is humanity itself.

Which in turn has its own fucked-up implications for quite a few future questions learned men already ponder and grapple with.

>>3944049
Same for Mana. There's one game that's pretty good and all the others are flawed in some way.

>>3944034

A fair compromise.

>>3944024
And? This was in the context of a technologically primitive society lacking the material means to provide for its members.
I think you're missing the point if you think people who critique capitalist social relations do it out of some historical romanticism. On the contrary, liberal capitalism has been extremely productive, and its wealth goes hand-in-hand with wrecking every form of traditional life and belief system. The point is, once you achieve the material means to provide a decent life for everyone, those relations themselves become obstacles. Production-for-use will make the most sense in the near-future, unless you want to destroy the environment as well in your obstinacy to perceive the current social structure as eternal and unchanging. These questions will be returning in big style.

>>3944051
That's good, I like Grana Padano

>>3944052
We can still find solutions to that though, even if it really is intrinsic to our nature.

>>3944052
It's one of the ageless questions that has plagued us since we gained awareness.

>>3944060
>This was in the context of a technologically primitive society lacking the material means to provide for its members.

But that was my point, it wasn't. They had access to amazing abundance and were skilled at making use of those natural resources. War, certainly constantly war wasn't necessary from an economic or survival context.

I'm not criticizing capitalists or liberals, I'm criticizing humans in general.

>>3944063

Not if we reject the solution. Because I'm pretty sure it involves not being recognizably human anymore.

>>3944092
The solution is Fully Automated Space Luxury Gay Communism

>>3944093
Hahaha! Epic. Upvote my kind dear gentlesir! You win the internets.

>>3944093

You know what? The future is shaping up to be just weird enough for that to be a thing.

>>3944093
>>3944115

>>3944109
>tfw unironically become a communist after reading economic theory

>>3944118

Donald Trump is President of the United States in 2016. Tell me you saw that shit coming even 5 years ago.

>>3944120
As you should, means you think for yourself.

>>3943723
I think the GOOD/GRATE columns are switched.
You trying to tell me Etrian and Valkyrie are easier on first timers than Dragon Quest and Suikoden?

>>3944120

I became a Socialist after seeing Star Trek and realizing Capitalism wasn't up to the job.

>>3944124
I overreacted sorry, assumed pol was out of containment again.

>>3941325
Are there any games other than Grandia, Lunar and Skies of Arcadia that has that "feel good" feeling of a light-hearted adventure?
I played a decent amount of JRPGs in my life but only those 3 made me feel that way.
Trails in the Sky FC/SC came close but it's not the same.

>>3941325
Best song: End of the world

>>3944302

Not retro but Xenoblade Chronicles.

>>3944309
THE BGM of the giant wall not the OP song...

>>3944302
I honestly can't think of much else, not sure if you will like them but:
- Slayers Royal
- Atelier RPG games
- Magic Knight Rayearth
- Devil Summoner

>>3944325
Do you mean the Devil Summoner that was never translated into English or the Raidou games?

>>3944302
Not retro, but Dragon Quest VIII.
I recommend the 3DS version for the extra characters and scenes. There's also a restoration patch if you to play it orchestrated and uncensored.

>>3944335
The Saturn untranslated one.

>>3943784
All lists on 4chan are meant to incite a reaction.

>>3941325
Casual crossboarder here, it's one of my favorite games. It's not without flaws however:
The combat system is great, but it's very exploitable. Any kind of grinding breaks the game and you will have stomp over everything without them even hitting you.
The story is so-so, I'm a huge fan of Part1 because of the adventures, but Part2 got a little too serious at times.
The dub is atrocious. I hate dubs, I hate them in all medium, but this is one is especially bad.
The camera goes retarded at times, but it's a minor complaint.
Even then, I love it. Really fond of it and hoping it gets some love in the future.

Not related, but I'm glad I played this instead of FF7 back then, FF7 is such a bad game, holy shit. I still don't understand the fandom. I want to fuck half the cast, but that doesn't mean it's good.

>>3943723
>Fire Emblem
>entry level shit
I'm glad Awakening saved the franchise, but I hate what it has become. At least Conquest gameplay was great and Shadows of Valencia looks nice despite being the shitty Gaiden.

>>3944136
Looks like NeoGAF is out and about. Criticizing communism does not make you /pol.

>>3941325
I finished this recently and fell in love with the characters. the ending is great. I loved going through it although I got bored with some of the dungeons and the battle system which was my only gripe. really had that 90s anime feel of adventure.

only rpg i replay yearlly.

its really, REALLY underrated....and no game in the series comes close to the first, sadly.

its easily in my top 5 games on ps1.

>>3943723
Of course this is from /v/.

I'd make a /vr/ JRPG tier list but I haven't actually played too many so I'm going to have to keep truckin'

>>3944309
>>3944319
this was my fave shit was tripped the fuck out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogv-O7dDqms&index=21&list=PLB991C86AA1FD1EE7

>>3945403
also kek town was my second fave GANBO! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-w8UvQe16w&index=20&list=PLB991C86AA1FD1EE7

>>3945412
Holy fuck. I need to replay this game.