/vr/ - Retro Games

They're just lazy hacks making a quick buck. They're not interested in reverse engineering 20 year old Playstation games.

>>3923868

Because their paymasters decided it wasn't worth it. SH HD was a total shitshow, so it's no big loss. But MGS HD was great. But it lacked MGS.

>>3923835
PS games can look absolutely great in motion.
Even back during its heyday, still shots of games showed their jaggies off prominently. You have to see those games in motion to really appreciate them.

The problem is a lack of succesful franchises that remain popular to this day.

>>3923884
Also lacked the two superior games in the series.

But really, PS games look awful upscaled. Whereas a 2D NES/SNES game look ok-ish at higher resolutions because of how simple they are, 2D PS stuff like FF backgrounds look like straight dogshit upscaled. And the 3D stuff doesn't benefit at all either unless they were textured well, and most games' models were not.

>>3923835
Why does everyone here love to jerk off third gen consoles? I swear six years ago everyone agreed they were shit and should be forgotten, fuck you nostalgic kids who insist everything you enjoyed as a child must be legitimately good.

>>3924181
>But really, PS games look awful upscaled.

They look fine. Really. Its' early low poly 3D. Oh well. People thought these games were gorgeous in the 90's. They suddenly didn't get ugly in that time.

>>3924198
Whoops, fifth gen 3D.

>>3924201
And those people also said Altered Beast looks good.

>>3923835
PS1 has huge problem: shitty, plugin-ridden emulators. If they could make 1 emulator which JUST WERKS and which would include PGXP you mentioned it would be in much better condition.

>>3925545
What is mednafen?

>>3925635
>Software rendered 3D
>HD compliation

>>3925545
Just use software rendering which is how they're supposed to look like when playing them off your console. >>3924201 is right. They look fine. It's when you try to upscale everything that things begin to look messy especially because many, many PS1 games blended pre-rendered environments with 3D models. When the whole thing is 3D, upscaling looks fine. When it's a mix, it all looks like a mess. Just take the console for what it is and play it with software rendering.

In regards to OP, while I disagree with PGXP being a panacea for all games (good luck making stuff like Chrono Cross towns that use background stills as character sprites look cohesive) I also think it's stupid that PS1 is suddenly "too old" to be included in collections. We do have PSN, but still. The issue here however is that nowadays people NEED HD and with PS1 that's always gonna look off. Even the OP pic looks off to me. It takes effort to truly make it look cohesive and, well, Konami. Unless it's a pachinko they're not gonna give a fuck.

>>3923835
I like PSX for it's texture distortions

>>3923835
If I remember, when Sony launched their HD Collection line they said that most PS games won't work in hi-def because of how they were made. Surely they weren't just saying they'd be too ugly to show in HD right?

>>3923835
That requires work which is the complete opposite reason why remasters are even a thing to begin with. They're nothing but a double dip with the least amount of effort possible aside from the rare exception like Turok 2.

>>3925720

What they meant was that Playstation games lack true 3D qualities. It's why they get jittery and distorted in HD. PGXP greatly fixes much of these issues.

>>3923884
>But MGS HD was great

It was serviceable. It was missing a bunch of effects and butchered the extra shit for both MGS2 and 3. The major reason to buy it was for a fully functional PW.

>>3925782
only some things were removed though, nobody missed it

>>3925803
I liked the skateboarding and Snake vs Ape.

>>3923835
Is PGXP available for ePSXe yet?

>>3923884
>>3925782
>>3925803
not only is mgs3 missing snake vs ape it is also missing boss rush as well as the nightmare minigame. you cannot get the monkey mask and i think you cant get the banana camo either but i forget. lip syncing is off. some ai fuck ups like dogs who upon being headshot now have a chance to lay down and die then instantly spring up and run around in a circle alerting guards. missing several post processing effects including the petals in the boss fight. the fight with the boss is limited to og snake eater camera and the third person one is for some reason not available. widescreen cutscenes reveal things not meant to be seen. bluepoint put their fucking splash logo into the classic snake eater intro at the beginning. this throws the entire video off by a few seconds causing the song and the scenes to not sync up right. including an awkward silence at the end. eva's textures have incorrect seams in the neck

mgs2 is missing not as much but still suffers from many missing effects such as the lice on big shell and the ropes that the gru soldiers slide down from in the opening. no skateboarding either. grenades have an explosion delay causing them to blow up a few seconds late. which can fuck up the ray fight quite a bit since before you had just enough time to shoot in between spamming grenades and now you wont there will always be a break point in between chaff effects if you intend to take advantage of the opening.

some strange hd textures in both as well featuring previously unreadable text just saying shit like "metal gear solid 2 guns of patriots" as if bluepoint doesnt even know what the fuck game they are making. there are many textures throughout that just say metal gear solid or weird other gibberish shit. read the floor panels in the hd version of mgs2 in the dock area of big shell or the flour bags for a laugh. other easy to spot ones include the text on naked snakes gasmask during the halo jump reading iirc "metal gear solid 3"

>>3925973
Bump for this.

>>3924198
Let me guess, you think Playstation, N64, and Saturn are too new, NES, Master System, SNES, and Genesis are retro, but won't give a shit about anything before it unless it's arcade.

>>3927503
I never said they were too new, I just said they had shitty games.

I'm fine with just playing PS1 games in their original resolutions. I play shit all the time on my PSN. I wouldn't even mind having straight ports in the collection. But hey at least you can pretty much play every main MGsolid game up to 4 on the ps3.

>>3927713
up to V actually, though I don't know why anyone would like to play that horrendous abomination

>>3925993
ah come on, except for the grenade delay and the dogs glitch everything else is nitpicking or completely unimportant.

>>3927740
as a series where a big draw is the story i found that so many fuck ups in the cutscenes really took me out of it. would have hated to have played this vesion first because i probably wouldnt be into the series as much as i was without it. the extras were always fun as well. i just hate seeing the series left so gutted.

whats even weirder is that the hd collection got one patch after all this was known. the patch fixed none of it. the patch only removed the option to go back to the game select menu from peace walker.

>>3925993
to be fair the 360 ver fairs a bit better with the post processing effects and stuff like the licensing and mini games using other engines missing is understandable. Other missing features like the cinema and boss rush is puzzling though.
I only tried playing subsistence on an emulator after beating the hd ver and I was surprised how they keep the snake eater intro hidden until the snake eater mission actually begins, I really like that, shame how the hd ver doesn't bother.
I honestly think the MGS remasters are still good due to the improved frame rate and ratio, they are prob some of the best remasters around considering how much of a shitshow most lazy remasters are.

MGS HD ports are the literal golden standards to which everythings else is and should be compared to. I'm an old-ass MG fan myself, who started with the shitty NES port of MG1 back in the days, and I really don't miss the minigame stuff at all in the HD collections. The implied "changes" in visuals are also quite nitpicky.

They especially shine in comparison to the god-awful SH "HD" "Collection", which is no joke THE blunder of the century.

>>3929238

SHHD is definitely the brown standard but there's loads of shitty ones, Ratchet & Clank Trilogy and Sly Cooper Trilogy both dropped the fucking ball. PS2 is pretty complex hardware and if PCSX2 taught us anything it's that it takes some time to get all its little eccentricities right.

>>3929293
Did they? I was under the impression that Sony's first party titles got great remasters after playing the amazingly done God Of War HD and Origins Collections, but then again, one was developed by Bluepoint and the other was ported by the original dev studio.

>>3925993
No one cares nerd.

1080p 60FPS>gay nerd PS2 shit only dumb nerds even notice are gone

>>3929238
no argument here on them being of a much higher quality than the silent hill collection. sh collection is an absolute travesty. mgs collection is just like a worse version of the games but not unplayably so, just somehow much less polished, which is all i ever said.

>>3929474
also wow i had to double check to see if i was on vr or vee after reading an opinion this bad.

>>3929879
>also wow i had to double check to see if i was on vr or vee after reading an opinion this bad.

MGS """"fans"""" are on a whole 'nother spectrum.

>>3929891
i am absolutely autistic
but i'm still right

>>3929238
the ico and shadow of the collossus hd remaster is the best of the best. literally makes the game look nicer and run smoother than the ps2 version. no drawbacks.

>>3929879
>having actual standards means you're from /v/

Fuck you and fuck the janitor who deleted my post. You're the cancer killing gaming if you think anything before 1080p and 60FPS is remotely acceptable. Fuck this fucking board. Fuck everything. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

What are the best-looking 3D PS1 games?

Ps1 appreciation thread? What have you guys played recently?

Just beat BoFIV a few days ago, think it may be one of my now all time favorites. Not a huge jrpg fan but the battle system, art, and story were incredibly appealing to me. I dropped III as it kind of bored me around halfway but IV was just phenomenal to me.

>>3930024
Mega man legends are the best in my opinion, though even then things like crash and spyro still look great. Honestly the more cartoony looking games aged fine. As far as more gritty stuff I feel mgs1 has aged relatively good, only thing that bugs me is no eyes on the model. I see most cite FF7 for the "ugly early 3d" look of ps1 games but I don't see it. Sure the overworld models are wonky but the in battle sprites are fine and the prerendered backgrounds are beautiful.

>>3929879
>>3929891
Janitor I swear to fucking god you better delete these posts that are insulting me. ME! The boss of this thread, I absolutely will not tolerate this kind of behavior. Delete these posts NOW!

>>3930035
>What have you guys played recently?

I'm currently flitting between Harvest Moon BTN and the Spyro trilogy. I play both of them every couple of years and i recently got an emulator on my pc so i don't have to cart my playstation around with me. it's great.

>>3930035
>things like crash and spyro still look great

i agree with this, they're charming and i'd throw in harvest moon back to nature which has the charm and music, tekken 3 bc it was state of the ary for playstation at the time and resident evil 3 because of the pre rendered backgrounds.

>>3930269
*state of the art

>>3930024
Soul Reaver by far

>>3930024
fully 3D or 3D models with pre-rendered BGs?

>>3923835
You guys are so far up your own asses that dont even know what you are taking about.
Its a shame to point things out to you when you dont have basic understanding how something works.

>>3930345
>that dont even know what you are taking about.
that YOU don't even know what you're talking about
>>3930345
when you dont have basic understanding how something works
when you don't have A basic understanding of how something works

in a less smartass way - take your own advice.

>>3929293
it would help if accuracy was actually a goal of PCSX2

there will never be a mednafen for PS2 and that makes me sad

>>3931683
PCSX2 has certainly come a damn long way though. it's the only post-5th gen console that i emulate since the laser in my slim died about a year ago, and it's worked for probably 95% of what i've thrown at it, keeping to native res because autism.

>>3932106
I haven't messed around with it since 2013. Does it still need to be manually tweaked for each individual game, or can I just run it, point it at an ISO, and have it work? Also, is there anything for PCSX2 like the Ishiruuka builds of Dolphin?

>>3931683
Except PCSX2 already has a high accuracy software renderer. You just don't know how to use it.

Y'all mothafuckas need MEDNAFEN.

Buncha' newfags....

>>3932384
This.
PCSX2 keeps getting closer to full accuracy with every update.

>>3932412
Well I wouldn't quite go that far. Truly full accuracy for sixth gen isn't happening any time soon, if ever. But it's gotten to the point where 95% of games play *almost* perfectly from the user end.

>>3930035
I'm 10 hours into BoF4 and I'm not really blown away. The system and visuals are nice, but the enemies are too weak and there are so many uninteresting stretches. The worst was walking those empty plains for several minutes. I will keep playing some more though.

Before that I finished SaGa Frontier. I had a blast with that one.

>>3923835
What do you mean? The N64 era is highly regarded!

>2017
>still no HDMI mod for PlayStation

>>3929971
I have frequent crashes and soft locks in that collection.

>>3932593
>still no way to play games from USB without soldering a modchip

>>3932392
stop memeing that shit

>>3932682
Popstarter for ps2 plays ps1 games with a USB

>>3923868

They ARE interested in remaking certain ones to pander to millenials who want to play the classics but are so stuck-up on themselve they want all classics re-done to play like XBox action games.

Case in point: FF7

>>3932979
>Case in point: FF7
Are there any others? It sounds like you're using a single instance to define a trend.

>>3932596
never once had that happen but i completely believe you. hd versions always have a shitty cost it seems.

>>3932995
Crash Bandicoot.

>>3932746

I'll meme whatever I want, dad.

>>3934463
But that case is an enhanced port, sort of like the 3DS ports for the N64 Zeldas.

>>3927656
Every console gen had shit games though anon.

>>3924198
>Playstation
>3rd gen

I bet you're one of those "I was born in the wrong generation" 00s kids that hates anything from their time period.