/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

HIGHWAY TO HELL
-Second phase of map submissions closed
->>/vr/thread/3901193#p3901898

QUMP
-Mapping deadline currently ends on the 17th of April
-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit

=== NEWS ===

[4-8] Linguica's Antrywey released; a strictly vanilla map created with savegame trickery
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93650-antrywey-small-vanilla-level/

[4-8] MetaDoom v3.666 released; pistol ammo cvar and some rebalancing
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=989530#p989530

[4-5] Kinsie's Consolation Prize project now covers Doom 64 Retribution; MetaDoom also to make use of it in v3.64
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55298

[4-1] DooW released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfumR3EMUlw

[4-1] April Fools: BTSX Episode 3 beta
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93570-the-dwmegawad-club-plays-back-to-saturn-x-e3-surprise/

[3-31] Doom 64 Retribution released; a port of D64 to GZDoom that isn't dogshit
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55039

[3-31] Quake Champions beta to begin on April 6th
https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/30/quake-champions-beta-begins-april-6th/

[3-30] Intermission E2M1 released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5XaOCWRZXw

[3-25] Poharex: Second Invasion alpha released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=55797

[3-25] Stewboy released some of his MIDI files
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93428-releasing-some-midi-files-ancient-aliens-resurgence/

[3-24] ZDoom LE 2.8.1a released; a fork for older computers
https://github.com/drfrag666/ZDoom-LE/releases/tag/2.8.1a

[3-23] First SLADE dev build released in over a year
https://devbuilds.drdteam.org/slade/
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=24955&p=986207

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=== PROTIP ===

If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, please reply/backlink to this post.

>tfw haven't worked on hexen souls in months

Depression sux man

>still no server up
um...

wew

>>3916229
Look at it this way, I've been meaning to make a start on Doom modding for months but the only thing I ever did was Shivers' DECORATE tutorial. At least you started something and did some cool things?

>>3916235
>zandronum
liar

>>3916238
I suppose, but I've created something that's really hard to work on if you stop. I can't even remember where I was at last time I worked on it.

>>3916229
don't give up, skeleton!

I'm an idiot who forgets to refresh the thread before posting.
>>3916302

>doing a western/gothic themed weapon set
>revolver, dual revolvers, lever-action shotgun, coachgun, throwable tnt, sure
>chaingun
>uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh fuck

>>3916312
Can't the chaingun be a tommy gun, like the one from Blood?

>>3916312
>The Gatling gun was designed by the American inventor Dr. Richard J. Gatling in 1861 and patented on November 4, 1862.[3][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun#History

>>3916312
Some ancient Indian magic or something? Like a throwing tomahawk that explodes into magic projectiles?

>>3916312
Casting magic with Playing Cards, like that Deadlands RPG.

>>3916316
That'd be good as a last-resort thing, but the tommygun sprites have been so abused and used to death that I'd rather take alternatives.

>>3916320
That sounds like it'd be great for the cell-using weapons, dark magic and shit. Plasma rifle is like a wand or something, BFG is an ancient artifact. I love it.

>>3916317
>character sets up the gatling gun on wheels
>starts pushing it through entire levels, shootbanging things and running them over
HEH

>>3911290
>It seems the mod's dynamic lights aren't working in the latest GZDoom or something
Turns out I had dynamic lights off, what the fuck, me?

>>3916340
ride the gun like a kart through the level

complete with nyrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr noises

I was using DoomBuilder 2 to learn mapping, but I heard that GZDBBF had more features, so I decided to download it. Was it worth it? Bugfix crashed on me as it was exiting the other day, but DB2 never crashed.

Also, I recently finished the sticky's tutorial for DB2, but should I go through another tutorial for GZDB? Are there enough new features/stuff to be worth it?

>>3916262
I was making my first proper map but I stopped... over a week ago now. Also wasn't sure if I should have watched more tutorials first. Hoping to start working on it again soon.

>>>/vg/

>>3916409

I hope the new MetaDoom version includes Quad Damage or a new power up because i feel like it's a bit low on power up variety.

>>3916409

So what am I doing wrong with this?

if((input & BT_FORWARD)&&(CheckInventory("PlayerStamina")>=1))
{
GiveInventory("SprintingPlayer",1);
while((input & BT_FORWARD)&&(CheckInventory("PlayerStamina")>=1))
{
Delay(1);
}
TakeInventory("SprintingPlayer",1);
Delay(const:SD_DASHDELAY);
}

If you release the forward key, it doesn't take away the 'SprintingPlayer' item.

>>3916317
They were also designed as 'light' artillery and were really incredibly heavy.

I mean a rapid fire stream of .45-70 is amazing firepower, but it'd be heavier than everything else the player character could carry combined, including their own body weight.

The Turks thought of something like this for fighting the Russians once, pic related.
It's a Winchester rifle, but it has a real long barrel, a full length magazine tube running under it (I think maybe it held 15 rounds), and enclosing this, is a brass jacket which is filled with water.
The idea was to engage the Russians with long range rifles, then as they closed in, they would switch to the Winchester rifles and lay down rapid aimed fire, with guns that held many rounds and which stayed cool. This worked tremendously.

Emulate a gun like this, then rationalize away the magazine however (maybe the character stops to do a brief Goldeneye style animation every 20 rounds, or just have a straight ammopool), and when you hold down fire he just repeatedly pulls the trigger and works the lever really fast.

Imagine a rate of fire like this: https://youtu.be/-NmzF9pj9Yk?t=1m10s

>>3916445

Why not just have a simple else clause?

if(input & BT_FORWARD && CheckInventory("PlayerStamina") >=1)
{
GiveInventory("SprintingPlayer",1);
}
else
{
if (CheckInventory("SprintingPlayer") == 1)
{
TakeInventory("SprintingPlayer",1);
Delay(const:SD_DASHDELAY);
}
}

>>3916457
Shit, this is super-cool. Is there an official name for this kind of weapon?

>>3916464

The intention is that you double-tap & hold Forward to sprint, and sprint ends when you run out of stamina or release Forward.

It's based off KekDose's evasion script, (as seen in Trailblazer), but I'm in over my head.

Full script in pic because it breaks post limit.

>>3916495
>double-tap to dodge
please no

>>3916520

This is intended for Project MSX, if that wasn't already obvious; you can turn it off and use MSX's classic dodge/sprint method of holding 'Run' along with a movement key.

>>3916530
thank you
i've grown incredibly sick of double-tap-to-dodge mechanics, if only because of how incredibly easy it is to accidentally trigger

>>3916532

Has it really been in that many mods? I don't know about others, but in Trailblazer you can reduce the delay between taps to reduce accidental execution.

>>3916495
I'm not really an expert at coding, but where are you getting/setting the player's dodge direction? I can't see it anywhere.
I don't understand what the purpose of the for loop is, either.

>the heavy machine gun in Final Doomer Plutonia can gib zombies and imps

this is the most fun I've had in weeks, just popping fuckers with this thing

>>3916217
Alright be honest, how many of you are just underaged dickheads who are only into DOOM and other classic PC fps games from before your time because you want to be a bunch of hipster chodes? Because I'll be honest, I think that one gay ass tripfag on this board is one of them.

>>3916737
is 23 underage in some countries i haven't even heard about?
can't people just not like the base game and the proven potential of mods?
y u heff to be mad?

>>3916737
>Liking a good game makes you a hipster

>>3916537
The entirety of first Unreal game.
>carefully sidestep projectiles
>suddenly dodge either off the cliff, into lava or into other projectiles

>>3916737
I'm nearly 40 and have been Dooming since 1997. How can I prove this without losing anonymity?

Wait. Why do I keep replying to babbyposters. Apologies all.

it'd require a lot of work and assets in theory, but I wonder if it's possible for player actors to have legs that animate separately of the upper body
like, eight directional movements that go forward and backward (maybe unique animations for sideways), jumps, crouches with animation, etc

It's way underestimating the amount of animation work required but I don't think i've ever seen anything animated to 'move separately' of the direction something itself is facing, besides tanks and that one mod that gave pickup items legs

>>3916832
>off the cliff
Remember, crouching helps you catch your bearings and stops you from accidentally dodging or walking off cliffs! Don't do Bunny Track without it.
Twitchy fingers does suck, though.

>>3916887
>moments later

>>3916854
I think Zanieon made a context-sensitive animation system that changes the player's animations based on whether they're strafing, backpedalling, jumping, falling, etc. I can't find any documentation about it though.

>>3916495
Or you can just hold down the button to sprint rather than the double tap, circumventing the milliseconds of idleness that occurs between each tap entirely.
Seriously, minecraft did the double tap sprint and it's super gay and shitty. Don't be like minecraft.

>>3916832
You know I have never played the Unreal games, is the first one really as amazing as their general makes it out to be?

>>3916920
Mostly. It'll feel really fucking weird if you're used to id tech, though.

>>3916920
It's great. I fucking love it.

>>3916920
It's not my favorite game in the world, but it's got some good gameplay and fantastic music and environments. Sort of makes me think of Half-Life in it's pacing, but in space and with powerups.

>>3916217
whats the wad with the rotating shotgun again?

>>3916262
I like to keep a "diary" text file in my working folder that details everything I do on that project on a day-by-day basis, as well as a to-do list so I can tick things off. This way, if I stop making mods for two years again, it's comparatively easy to pick up where I left off!

>>3916425
It's something I want to add, but I'll have to do it in a way where it doesn't fuck over situations where, say, level designers use a Berserk pack as an instant heal to 100%. I have some ideas on how to do this, and I'll probably pull the trigger on one of them in v4.

I somewhat feel like Quake 2 would've been a great game if it had ambient music, and wasn't techbase for the whole thing.

>>3916942
DRLA has the Megaton Shotgun, which had three rotating barrels, if that's the one you're looking for.

Quake Mission pack level 1

This level not even finished yet. Just use noclip and discover new arenas in map. Some unused secret portals still active Wtf developers?

>>3916950
Some good city maps would have been cool. Stalingrad on Stroggos.

Found an old page filled with Nightmare Skill Doom demos
http://web.archive.org/web/20010519130938/http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/7592/

>>3916954
>DRLA
ill have to check it out, I was thinking of the one that gets rotated to reload

What's the proper method of playing Build games nowadays? Are there souceports or something? If not which versions are the best?

I tried the 20th anniversary edition of Duke Nukem yesterday and had some cool features.

>>3916975
Besides really minor factors that the 20th Anniversary Edition has that others don't, EDuke32 is the best method to play Duke Nukem 3D at least so long as you can get the .con files in a legitimate format. Other Build engine games are not so lucky.

The Megaton Edition used to be a solid way to get a Duke fix thanks to having all the expansions and online play, but Gearbox shut it down for the 20th Anniversary Edition.

>>3916979
I have the megaton edition too, I'll try it with EDuke32. My guess is that the other games don't have anything like that.

What about Witchaven? Since it's not on Steam/GoG, is there any "community release" or anything like that? I'm interested in the sequel since I never got to play it and I don't want to run games from those random abandonware sites because of potential malware.

>>3916854
>>3916895
Yes, i made movement script: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=37855&p=720839

Though this is pretty much used for Zandronum compatibility now, ZScript can take care of this thing alone without intervention of ACS.

>>3916994
Shadow Warrior got a Megaton Edition-style re-release too (though the classic version is free on Steam). People have been trying to make a sourceport for Blood for years but no real progress I know of. And i've heard nothing about Witchaven.

Of note is that the 20th Anniversary Edition for Duke 3D redid the Duke Talk and added a new episode, but the developers literally ripped off / cloned EDuke32 awkwardly. One of the creators of ED32, also the guy behind the Megaton Edition and was working on a Hail to the King version for phones that'd include the PS1, Saturn and N64 ports, got to see the development of 20th personally and wasn't exactly enthused to see what Gearbox was doing. Combine that with them shutting down all of his work and projects that weren't ED32 and it wasn't exactly fun times all around, especially since Megaton Edition was like $10 or less on sale but the 20th Anniversary Edition launched at $20 with none of the expansions or additional content.

Hell, not even 3D Realms gets Duke money, everything that's not Gearbox-owned (Forever and 20th) is gone from sale. Even DN3D was removed from GOG.

Man, Trailblazers fun just straight up dies once the chaingun upgrades are acquired, Everything turns into bullet holes.

>>3916975
Duke Nukem 3D: eDuke32. Or the Megaton Edition. Either/Or. World Tour is passable, I guess.
Shadow Warrior: The non-free edition on Steam has the closest thing to a stable source port and all the expansions.

Everything else demands DOSbox. There is a project for the Witchaven games to fix bugs and oddities, but I think it's still DOS-based.

https://forums.duke4.net/topic/7794-egwhaven-thread-witchaven-ii-source-modification/

>>3917003
TerminX (the eDuke guy) and Gearbox sorted out their differences amicably/financially.

>>3917005
Only reason there was legal trouble to begin with was because Randy got butthurt that 3dRealms still held part of the Duke Properties and was still paying /royalties/ which amounts to a pittance.

It was basically highway robbery in legal form.

Is there anything worse than a project lead who keeps changing his mind?

>>3917010

>>3917003
>Combine that with them shutting down all of his work and projects that weren't ED32
I seem to recall something about them threatening to bury EDuke32 with frivolous litigation if he didn't finish his projects for them on their terms.

>>3917010

A Project lead who only posts once every six months to assure their project will be finished?

>>3916948
That's neat

>>3916489
Not that I know of.

I guess just a generic "Repeating Rifle" name or something?

>>3917014
But at least then you have a solid project and you know that your maps won't be excluded later down the line because the guy changed which port the project was for.

>>3917010
>>3917017
>the guy changed which port the project was for
who did that?

>>3917017
>>3917019
I'm gonna guess maybe Freedoom?

Help, I made an inventory item which is visible in the inventory, but if I drop it on the ground, its invisible. How do I fix this?

I can pick it up and it works fine otherwise.

>>3917005
Oh thanks, I'm going to check that Witchaven 2 project.

That and the remake of Turok 3 would solve my last two 90s FPSs that I never played.

>>3917019
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/93584-doom-the-way-you-did-for-real-this-time/
The guy keeps overhauling this project repeatedly. First it was for all formats, now it's for Boom, and he wants to make it ZDoom only now. He even changed the number of slots to 13 because he didn't get a full 32 maps in 9 days. The moral of the story: don't let foreigners be project leads.

>>3917014
>most doom alpha projects before they go dead

Did original Quake run on TCP for netplay? Why changes were made for Quakeworld to render lower latency possible? I know one of them is client prediction, but that's not actual latency elimination.

>>3916371

>>3917031
The original Quake netcode was intended for LANs and did not provide a good, responsive experience on the dial-up modems of the day. Quakeworld alleviated this by rewriting the netcode and reworking the physics. You can read some of Carmack's as-it-happened reasoning archived here: http://fabiensanglard.net/quakeSource/johnc-log.aug.htm

Interesting to see that he was pondering F2P-ish mechanics in the mid-90s!
> If it looks feasable, I would like to see internet focused gaming become a justifiable biz direction for us. Its definately cool, but it is uncertain if people can actually make money at it. My halfway thought out proposal for a biz plan is that we let anyone play the game as an anonymous newbie to see if they like it, but to get their name registered and get on the ranking list, they need to pay $10 or so. Newbies would be automatically kicked from servers if a paying customer wants to get on. Sound reasonable?

>>3917041
Also of note: There are a few other historic events documented in that link, like Carmack's announcement of Romero's departure, and the formation of Hipnotic/Ritual.

>>3917025
Check the offsets of the sprite?

I assume you have a separate sprite for the item on the ground? if not you probably should, that way its easy to have 2 different offsets

>>3917027
Honestly, I hate megawad projects where the goal is to remake the iwad maps. It just doesn't excite me at all.

DTWID worked for me, but thats because it was merely about emulating the mapping style of the id designers, rather than directly remaking the official maps.

And though I didn't like most of it, D2INO at least had an interesting goal, because it was only about making maps based on the names.

>>3917059
Thank you, that was totally it.

Since a new D4T update is coming, what do you expect from it?

>>3917027
oh yeah that was the one i'd read about recently and wondered if you were talking about the same

>>3917021
how did i not think of this though.

>>3917059
I was all thinking this would be easy and only need one image for both, but yeah, two images + offsets did the trick.

>>3917089
I think you can do it with just one image, but you'll need to adjust the offsets in decorate, in the states section after the sprite name iirc

>>3916957
Maybe it's a deathmatch section?

I have no idea for sure, but I've seen people do that.

>>3917073
i liked switcheroom and remain1.

the gzdoom tuneup ones are always crap, though.

>>3916308
Feels like this.

>>3917226
>switcheroom

Eh, that was a mixed bag for me. Some levels were good in that they were only loosely based on an iwad maps layout, while there are others that are basically the same layout, just with a few minor differences.

>>3916229
I'm routing for you, Hexen Dev

i know that the blursphere is useless but considering it has a bit of a role in Doom's history, i kinda wished it wasn't fully replaced in MetaDoom.

Maybe Haste could have been just a variant or something.

>>3915892
>levels I've done before
I did Knee Deep Again, a vanilla compatible episode 1 replacement. Only available through /vr/. I'm seven levels finished but I think I only uploaded the first five on /vr/?

I'm also the dude who's been posting a horror wad that uses all Quake textures and Realm 667 graphics for the monsters.

Really I'm not an established mapper, I haven't uploaded anything anywhere that's not /vr/, I'm just a totally new mapper who likes to tinker with features to see how they work.

>>3917378
Are there any WADs that use the blursphere as a good trap?

>>3917448
Not that i know off

>>3917448
there's that one bit of scythe map27 where it teleports you onto a partial invisibility unavoidably, then has three cyberdemons pop up out of the ground.

(that's using the thing as a trap. whether you think that's a *good* trap, i leave to your judgement.)

>>3917475
is it funny that I can see myself trying to walk into the trigger without picking it up

d64 had good graphics and sound but the level design and encounters were meh

>>3917645

>>3917606
sadly that is impossible. in the picture i had noclipped into that position. if playing normally you are teleported on top of the object into a tiny square (side 4 units or so) surrounded by trigger lines. all are impossible to avoid.

>>3917645
I never liked the music, I don't get why everyone loves it so much, it has basically one tone and one range.

>>3917675
ah yeah I remember that now. killing the first two was entertaining but I always fucked up on the third for some reason.

I always wait up for the powerup to end before I move to the next room.

psx version had some really neat stuff

>>3917747
How do you make Oblige levels with PSX/64 stuff?

Are there addons for it?

>>3917725
it works.

there you go.

>>3917756

>>3917750
its just a pk3 file with texture/sprites replacement, can be used with any wad

Where can i get addons for Oblige?

>>3917770
I kinda wish there was a way to add new textures and sprites without replacing stuff.

>>3917771

id be glad with some System shock and some ripped off alien trilogy textures for a metroid oblige mappack

GZDB isn't remembering my saved settings, my resources and source ports. Why not?

So i found some Doom 64 texture variants pk3 file from Realm667 and added on the addons folder for Oblige but it isn't working, what should i do?

>>3917774
Actually couldn't tell if you were serious for a second there.

why are gunflashes red?

is it worth playing through the psx version? if so what would be the best way to go about it,

>>3917865
what color should they be?

Will there ever be any single player expansion pack for D44M?
I felt like they would have said something by now.

>>3917873
There's a PSX TC that compiles all four campaigns and the Master Levels in one package.

There's also an optional levelset that rehauls all the missing levels into PSX-styled variants.

>>3917882
blue

>>3917915
why?

>>3917895
They promised no paid single player content. id posts their own levels and stuff in the snapmap section though. I've grown pretty fond of snapmap honestly.

>>3917882
I liked doom 64's better when that came out. the original ones look pretty goofy

>>3917946
for when you BLEW a hole in an enemy

>>3917865
>>3917882
>>3917915
>>3917946
>>3917975

huuuh?

>>3917895
Looks like it's out of fucking Darksiders; which isn't bad.

Did Yholl drop DRLA?

>>3918027
Didn't he just recently announce new features like progressive difficulty?

>>3918036

ah the zdoom thread was deader than dirt with. Was wondering if it truly died with the latest gzdoom update.

doom 4 maps are almost becoming a reality, folks

>>3918074
Is that Doomguy in the right?

He looks like some fucked up action figure, he even reminded me of that movie about living action toys or some shit.

>>3918074
Is this a custom map? Where'd you find this??

>>3918046
as far as i'm aware, yholl refuses to move beyond zdoom 2.8.1 due to netplay becoming irrevocably broken

Hmm, artifacts?

>>3918080
>he even reminded me of that movie about living action toys or some shit.

This, right? First thing I though of too when I saw it.

>>3918125

>>3918125
Why is the middle the Mark of Nayru and the right the Steel Icon for the Pokemon TCG?

>>3918141

Has anyone got a computer that can run Russian Overkill at 60 FPS with no drops?

>>3918142
No idea what the Mark of Nayru is, but for the right one I needed some sort of "hi-tech energy" looking symbol. The steel icon was quite suitable.

>>3917004

TB needs health buffs for enemies that's either player-adjustable, and/or based on acquired upgrades.

The former is a snap to do:

ACTOR Kekodemon:Cacodemon
{
var int user_buffedhealth;
States{
Spawn:
TNT1 A 0 NoDelay A_JumpIf(user_buffedhealth<1,1)
Goto Spawn+2
TNT1 A 0 {A_SetHealth(health*GetCVar("TB_MonsterHPBuff"));
A_SetUserVar(user_buffedhealth,1);}
HEAD A 10 A_Look
Wait
}
}

The user variable and A_JumpIf call are there so that if the monster re-enters it's Spawn state (for example, if the player dies), it won't redo the health buff; it's a map-start thing only.

>>3917004

TB needs health buffs for enemies that's either player-adjustable, and/or based on acquired upgrades.

The former is a snap to do:

ACTOR Kekodemon:Cacodemon
{
var int user_buffedhealth;
States
{
Spawn:
TNT1 A 0 NoDelay A_JumpIf(user_buffedhealth<1,1)
Goto Spawn+2
TNT1 A 0 {A_SetHealth(health*GetCVar("TB_MonsterHPBuff"));
A_SetUserVar(user_buffedhealth,1);}
HEAD A 10 A_Look
Wait
}
}

The CVar would be a float, and you'd set it up in MENUDEF as a slider with values between 1.0 4.0, maybe?

The user_buffedhealth user variable and A_JumpIf call are there so that if the monster re-enters Spawn state (for example, if the player dies), it won't redo the health buff; it's a map-start thing only.

>>3918165

Honestly, the Chaingun could use a nerf as well, It takes the power curve and sticks a huge dick in it. Rendering pretty much all other weapons moot except for the Nutcracker.

>>3918151

>No idea what the Mark of Nayru is

Symbol of one of the goddesses in the Zelda games. It doesn't look *too* much like it.

>>3918112
oh wasn't it because the existing code is too complicated to port to zscript?

need an official spokesperson to make a statement

>>3918172

As long as you don't craft the upgrades for the Skullthrottle, it's not too bad. But having either the 'Instaspin' and/or the Browning MG in the off-hand pretty much make anything a breeze, especially as you never need to reload with those guns.

>>3918174
Huh, interesting. I've never played the zelda games, so I have no idea.

My whole idea was to make some techy yet abstract devices made of connected orbs. I'd need 3 tiers, where each higher tier had larger orbs than their lesser version.

The last one was kind of bland, so I slapped a symbol on it.

well 2nd part of beta starts in 2 days

and i hope they fixed the netcode, and nerfed slash a bit

>>3918174
???

>>3918178

>DRLA
>port to zscript?

Oh dear.

You may want to crack DRLA open in SLADE to get an idea of how monumental an undertaking this'd be.

>>3918178
zscript isn't really a necessity, it's not like mods are going to be stopped being made in decorate or that decorate is being unsupported.

but yes, this is simply as far as i'm aware. i'm simply going off rumor and hearsay, take it with a grain of salt.

>>3918191
Nobody said to stick the whole dragon dildo in at once.

>>3918192

>it's not like mods are going to be stopped being made in decorate or that decorate is being unsupported.

Especially as you basically need to be a professional software designer with years of experience with C++ to hit the ground running when it comes to ZScript.

ZScript is no Decorate, folks; all that power and flexibility comes at a cost, and that cost is learning curve & newbie-friendliness.

>>3917780
maybe throw the resources at Glaice on the oblige forum?

I wonder what captain foot fetish is up to?

>>3918201
I'm assuming there's no reason you can't use Decorate and ZScript side by side?

>>3918242

You can mix & match, yeah.

someone set up a server, i wanna play some doom with some humans.

>>3918252
TOO BAD MOTHERFUCKER
ONLY STROGG
EAT THE HUMAN FOOD

>>3918228
Yo bitch, i'm adding Doomslayer Big Boot Edition into the mod

but nope

>>3918247
Oh awesome, so the smart people can make cool shit for dumb peasants like me to use with my decorate!

>>3918291
But he's HUGE!
That means he has huge boots!

>>3918291
Why is he so thicc?

>>3918304

Too many burgers.

>>3918304
Because zaneion is CAPTAIN FOOT FETISH

>>3918304
He's American.

>>3918310
TOOT TOOT

>>3918313
insert gif of small zaneion sprite turning wheel like steamboat willie

>>3918074
Seriously, whats the source on this?

You know, As much as I hate Colorful doom for turning Vanilla into an unholy nightmare I have to give it credit, nothing causes pants shitting terror like loading up map 01 and getting BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESS

>hey

I got a cs1.6 server up, if anyone wants to join.
192.168.1.8:27015

>>3918452
unable to connect

>>3918457
That's weird, it should work perfectly. II tested it with some friends and they said it worked...

>realm667 is down
Panic?

>>3918464
Yes. Panic.
Full on panic.
Panic to God, to Jesus, to Duke Nukem.
To anyone that will listen, panic.

>>3918452
192.168.*.* is your internal IP, nobody outside your local network can connect to that.

>>3918464
Hacked for the 667th time i think.

>>3918470
Shit.
How to I make a public server then?

>>3918474
I've already accepted my fate. I'm ready to be called a faggot over 20 times

>>3918476
Welcome to the club nigger. Now watch as i beg for people to jack off to my rejected map.

>>3916219
I released Omni Shields, a consumable invulnurability inventory items mod. Punch monsters with rockets and nukes, now with added safety!

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55974

>>3918530
But if you can see that status then you already have a chat open with him, no? Assuming you're using chat 2.0.

>>3918548
No

>>3918564
Hmm.

stop being a degenerate, then

>>3918568
where the fuck do you think you are, right now?

>>3918569
(0) /vr/ - SMUDGE BONE - Retro Games - 4chan

>>3918572
>4chan
There you go.

>>3918569
a place where posting cringe shit isn't endorsed.

fuck off.

>>3918569
Not a furry board.
Fuck off.

>>3917448
>>3917470
>>3917475
Doom II's MAP07: Dead Simple. A close-in arena fight with mancubi and arachnotrons with four blurspheres around the perimeter of the inner courtyard where you're likely to accidentally run into them.

>>3918178
DRLA will never move beyond 2.8.1 because, yes, everything is a fucking mess beyond it.

ZScript, while indeed powerful, is an absolute mess that makes programmers scream in anger/terror, and is far and away more complicated to use than Decorate.
ZDoom's popularity is from how easy it is to mod, and ZScript is a step in the exact opposite direction. I think pretty much everything has broken at one point or another, and will probably continue exploding for quite some time.

So yes, I stay at 2.8.1 so I don't have to fight the entire engine (more than I already do), and can have working multiplayer. There's also the fact that there's only like, two or three things beyond 2.8.1 that I find cool, pretty much everything else I have no use for.

>>3918027
Nah, I at least try to work on it every day. My motivation tends to drop a lot lately though, but I'm still making progress, even if it is shitty and slow, sorry.

>>3918721
>I think pretty much everything has broken at one point or another, and will probably continue exploding for quite some time.

>>3918721
>and can have working multiplayer.
>ZDoom

There needs to be a speedrunning challenge involving filtering and other quality GZDoom effects.

>>3918731
I gave up reporting bugs long before the bug tracker was ever a thing, and there is no point reporting bugs for 2.8.1, is there?

>>3918736
I play coop quite a bit, I actually just finished going through Doom64 + DRLA with a friend an hour or so ago.

>>3918747
That's right. That's why you should report regressions in DECORATE behaviour throughout the engine's continued scriptification so that they can be fixed. Or you can go all 0.l on us. Your call!

Why did id put these guys in if they're so incomprehensible?

>>3918758

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3evmn2wctvyawfp/bitch.wad?dl=0

>>3918752
This is a terrible comparison. I don't even know how to respond to that.

>>3918759
This was the future Graf Zahl chose.

>>3918763
>>3918758
What version of VisualBoyAdvance are you using anon?

>>3918764
2.2.0 Does 2.4 come with more quality graphical features than this one? How about that QZDoom I've heard about, how is it for high fidelity graphics? Also, GZRisen3D when?

Which one do I shoot?

>>3918771
Ravioli ravioli give me the Yellow-Key-Oli

>>3918771

yes

>>3918771
Thanks doc

>>3918771
WHICH ONE'S THE REAL ZOMBIEMAN?!

>>3918771
Going to try this out with Smooth Dumb later.

>the vanilla shotgun, super shotgun, plasma and BFG are offset to the right by 3 units
>the pistol and rocket launcher muzzleflashes are off completely
one fucking job

>>3918752
Yeah, right, and Graf totally hasn't canned every single one of my bug reports or anything.
Really, I would be more inclined to do so if he cared, but it seems like his garden of fucks goes unfertilized all year round.
Also, the 0.l bug was reported by several dozen people quite quickly after it became an issue. It's not like anybody had noticed it until an official version was released, because people don't -- and don't have to -- care about what goes on in the development lair of ZDoom.
ZScript is a horrifying abomination built off of 20 years of untested code, with no way to actually test the VM or scripting side properly. You can't run test cases because it's so tightly ingrained into the engine now.
It doesn't help either that ZScript is built on an engine that already had issues. A lot of issues. Fundamentally ZDoom is flawed, and then they decided to throw an untested, fundamentally flawed VM and language right over it as if it would help anyone.

And then, to make things worse, ZScript as a language is absolutely horrendous. There is nothing good about any of the intentional decisions in it, and there was absolutely no thought put into the language's design or syntax.
Which is made even worse by the VM being so shitty, because not only do you have a fucking awful language you have to put up with, but also you have to put up with the bullshit that the VM instates, and any bugs that may come with it.
Shit, piled over shit, piled over shit. It goes deeper than that, too!
If randi or Graf knew what the fuck they were doing, this wouldn't have happened, but unfortunately neither of them care. And especially randi, now that they outright gave up.

post >yfw waiting for QUMP

>>3918894

>>3918894
huuh

>>3918894
>>3918902
>>3918905
heurgh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMhcCS-3wZc&feature=youtu.be

>>3918881
>And then, to make things worse, ZScript as a language is absolutely horrendous. There is nothing good about any of the intentional decisions in it, and there was absolutely no thought put into the language's design or syntax.
Elaborate?

>>3918894

>>3918913
Have you ever used C++? Because it's not like that. No, it's not like any language you could possibly be familiar with, it has too many caveats to say that. It's got a lot of features or deficiencies that only make sense in the context of ZDoom, and a lot of features or deficiencies that only make sense in the context of its VM.
That is to say, it's really hard to work with for no reason other than fuck you, we don't care. Or fuck you, we're too lazy to fix it. Or, fuck you, we can't fix it because we fucked ourselves too early on.

>>3918894
ranger and the magical elder god pussy

>>3918919
>Because it's not like that. No, it's not like any language you could possibly be familiar with, it has too many caveats to say that.
A new language isn't like previous languages?
What a shock.

>>3918919
>It's got a lot of features or deficiencies that only make sense in the context of ZDoom

i don't really see how this is a problem. for a language for zdoom, having features that only make sense for zdoom is to be expected.

>>3918924
That's not the point at all, if you want something to be easy to use, it must be both well-designed and familiar. If you don't have that, you're going to alienate people and make them not want to use your language.

>>3918925
Yeah, that's fine, I don't mean stuff like states definitions etc. I mean things like not being able to return stack variables because the VM doesn't reference count properly.

>>3918771
A E S T H E T I C

>>3918929

It must be familiar? ZScript is not the least bit familiar to me and I have no programming experience whatsoever, but I've been converting an entire mod to it without a whole lot of hassle.
I mean, if you don't want to use it, that's okay? But it seems like you're making up reasons not to use it.

>>3918771
inbetween

>>3918934
If you don't have any programming experience then you've already missed my point. I'm saying that ZScript is alienating to programmers, whom are quite obviously its main audience. If you're just using it like DECORATE with blocks, yeah, you're not going to have too many problems. But if you try doing something actually advanced, as in, what ZScript was made for, you'll run into trouble very, very quickly.

>>3918721
ignore the faggots software mode in old ZDoom for lyfe
all my favorite wads are for old versions of ZDoom or shit like edge

>>3918959
>or shit like edge
opinion dismissed

>>3918881
>it seems like his garden of fucks goes unfertilized all year round.

That is beautiful.

>>3918881
>Also, the 0.l bug was reported by several dozen people quite quickly after it became an issue.
The issue was that it forced people to use an old version of the engine if they didn't want to go under the hood and fix the mod themselves. That's a shitty and lazy way to handle things for everyone - for engine devs, who leave serious issues unaddressed, for mod devs who never actually fix the problem, and for players who have to hunt down very specific builds on poorly-documented archives.

Things will bust up temporarily as things get scriptified, but the DECORATE parser is SUPPOSED to more or less give the same results as before. If it doesn't, it's a bug! Report it and provide instructions and examples that require as little time and/or general hoop-jumping as possible to reproduce! (Yes, this means compiling your ACS.) If you're not willing to do anything about it beyond making noise on a mahnwa-appreciation guestbook, then you're not willing to have anything change for the better, and you'll never get what you want. Simple.

>>3918997
>go report problems on the thing you've never touched, aren't interested in, and have no intention of using, if you don't you should feel ashamed.

>>3919024
Well, then I guess enjoy your bug reports from people using newer versions! Because you will get them. And they won't stop.

>>3919027
That's ok, I have it clearly written in my threads what versions they are designed for. Seems to have worked so far.

>>3919030
It'll stop working eventually. Typically when the version you're targeting is so outdated that people will have to choose between your mod and Literally Everything Else. And trust me, DRLA might be good, but it's not nearly good enough to win that choice. Nothing is.

(Yes, I am aware that people can install an older version in a separate folder just for your mod. I am also aware that most people won't.)

>>3919039
Such nihilism. Maybe if Graf would actually fix your bug reports, that wouldn't end up being a problem.
Of course, he wants a reproducible example. That's totally possible with the absolute scale of mods that actually have these kinds of bugs. Yeah.

>>3919043
Repro samples can include savegames and/or lists of instructions, console commands etc. to reproduce the issue without having to play for hours. (Note that they don't include screaming into the eternal abyss)

>>3919049
What if you don't have a savegame? What if you can't reproduce it consistently? 99% of bugs that matter fall under those categories. Stop dreaming.

>>3919039
That implies that I'm trying to win some sort of popularity contest. I simply want to make my mods. It's a nice little hobby. If other people like it, that's great! I'll happily go out of my way to make it better for them. If they don't, that's a shame, but people have all sorts of tastes, it won't bother me.

My hobby is not jumping on landmines for people who feel I should go out of my way to make my mods work on something it's not designed for.
My hobby is not attempting to rescue GZDoom from the hole it dug for itself.
My hobby is not hoping that maybe just maybe this next bug report might actually have something done about it.

Ok?

>>3919051
OK. You can keep going without helping out, then. You just don't get to complain when things don't go your way.

>>3919050
Why wouldn't you be able to make a savegame? Did you break your F2 key in one of your previous Fatty Baby Fits?

>>3919056
Getting users to give you save games is not an easy task. If your users get a bug, you're screwed. There's a 1/1000th chance that the mod author will actually find and be able to produce a bug.
I also may mention that we're all human, sometimes we forget to save, or some like to quicksave too often and end up removing their bug-ridden save. We're not slaves to the ZDoom developers to produce bug reports.

>>3919056
I reserve the right to complain about people who complain about me not helping with something I don't goddamn use.

Hang on, I'll go file some bug reports on Internet Explorer while I'm at it, surely I should pitch in and help out? Oh wait, gotta find some bugs for Windows Movie Maker while I'm at it.

I don't have any complaints about staying at 2.8.1, I'm perfectly happy here. I have complaints about people taking that as some sort of fucking declaration of war.

>>3919060
Just remember you're not alone, there's other mod creators out there not keen on going to the newest versions of GZdoom because they're getting increasingly more bullshit.

Thank god I've always aimed for Zandy compatibility since day one. May the Zandronum devs never go full retard like Graf has.

Am I right in assuming that all those fancy Quake speedruns use Quakeworld or a QW-based port instead of the original Quake due to the increased player speed made available through QW's movement?

>>3919089
not only QW, darkplaces does it too iirc.

speedrunning e2m1 isn't half as efficient in qs or winquake as it is in those two, I've compared both runs.

>>3919089
Doesn't quakeworld have increased air control aswell?

>>3919103
IIRC it isn't the air control (you can still make fancy jumps and midair 180 degree turns in Quakespasm which is based off glquake/netquake) but the lack of a friction tick when the player touches the ground. You can still go somewhat fast in Quake but not nearly as fast as in Quakeworld where there's nothing automatically slowing down the player in that instant his feet touch the floor while he's jumping around.

>>3919097
I figured as much. At least now I know why I can strafejump all day in ezquake but can't go nearly as fast in QS, and that the occasional shortcut or sequence break I find in QS is done legit.

>>3919130
maybe ranger has iron feet.

zanieon, have at it

>>3919136
does quake have powerironfeet?
i know doom has it

>>3919138
Quake has the Biosuit, which works differently. (30 seconds of infinite air + no slime damage + lava does slime damage). I dunno what it's called in the source code, though.

>NQ and QW differences in movement behavior

This is interesting. Is there any reason on why this is the case?

>gold key shoots by on a tram
>not having that shit
>catch key before it loads onto a platform
>key disappears when the player gets close
>areyoufuckingserious
>manage to catch it before it gets loaded and ride the lift up, where it normally respawns after pulling a disappearing act
>key doesn't spawn, just fucked myself
I thought I was so clever, too. Skipping a quarter of the map by timing a jump off a collapsing platform juuuust right probably hasn't helped any though, especially in the way of weapons.

>>3919142
item_artifact_envirosuit

>>3919151
Fuck, I was so irate I forgot my weebm.

>>3919151
You should lean how to bunnyhop first :)

>>3919165
Even my shitty ex-quake pro jumping sk1llz weren't enough because the key is apparently scripted to disappear anyway. Tricky tricky.

>>3919153
that's some fucking wonky strafe jumping you did at the end of those steps. no wonder you'd miss it.

could've built up momentum the moment you got up but you fucked up having to straighten up from almost falling down.

>>3919176
Yeah I fucked up but >>3919172- even noclipping directly to the key won't let you grab it because it disappears before you can get close enough, apparently it's just a dummy to taunt the player and make them go around.

Further experimentation shows it IS possible to get the key by jumping away from the rising pillar as soon as you reach the top which will let the gold key spawn there properly, but then you have to go back down the stairs you're supposed to go up anyway so what's the difference? I'm not sure which areas on this map are intentional shortcuts and which are "oops, that wasn't supposed to happen."

>>3918148
has anyone got a computer that can run 100x.wad with a nuts3 map?

What is the most garish looking GZDoom graphics mod other than the HD Textures? Smooth Doom isn't that bad.

Burgle.

Why isn't GZDB remembering any of my saved resources?

>>3919206

I think I've reached the top of graphics for GZDoom.

>>3918721
>>3918731
>>3918747
>>3918763
>>3918881
>>3918913
>>3918919
>>3918929
>>3918934
>>3918953
>>3918959
>>3918980
>>3918997
>>3919024
>>3919027
>>3919030
>>3919039
>>3919043
>>3919050
>>3919051
>>3919056
>>3919059
>>3919060
>>3919072
Is this the beginning of the end for Doom?

>>3919219
Nah, we still got Zandronum

>>3919221
>playing Doom without all of the quality graphical features that our Glorious and Benevolent, Beloved Leader and Honourable Friend, our Comrade Graf Zahl has created

>>3919226
even ironically that's not funny. Graffy boy is the biggest threat to the doom modding scene at the moment because he's a complete retard and refuses to back down or acknowledge he might be pulling some seriously dumb shit with these latest updates

>>3919229
>at the moment

>>3919206

Are there themed pwads for all the seasons or has that been done already?

>>3919219
I think GZDoom's doing fine, really. There's a lot of problems but they'll be sorted out in time.
Maybe we'll get ZScript 3 and have it not be shit, or something. (Also, ZScript's versioning system is really cool.)

>>3919146
Isn't the movement the same, beyond how it sends it to the server?

>>3919219
Not really, no. I just have Very Strong Opinions about backwards compatibility in newer versions, and I was in a bad mood due to IRL stuff so I loudly argued about it at great length with some of my modder bros. No harm, no foul, not the first time this has happened. :)

In reality, there'll be some growing pains due to parts of the engine being converted from hardcoded to external scripts, and some pieces of the scripting language are not ideal for various reasons (usually relating to weird stuff Randi did with the VM or psychological scarring Graf picked up from dealing with bad code when working on other games) but ultimately it should give modders more options on ways to do things that may be less hacky or horrifying to work with than current solutions.

The existing options like DECORATE will still remain, and ideally they'll still work the same as they always have. Since there's a lot of stuff moving around under the hood, though, some behaviour may unintentionally change without Graf noticing. And that's basically what the whole argument was about - I really REALLY want people to report such changes because a.) they're considered bugs and b.) having mods suddenly be locked behind an old version of a source port - whether that be ZDoom or Zandro or EDGE or whatever - is awful and makes it a real pain to revisit old mods for fun and inspiration.

Are there any maps that have textures that look kinda like this?

Bonus points if they're animated and may even have sound.

>skimming through the thread
>see >>3919219

w-what? Don't say things like that.. it scares me to think there'd be an end.

What is going on to warrant such a question? In layman's terms please

>>3918894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp_ZqCZPJKk

The hype is getting too hype for me

>you know
>I've uh
>I've learned to walk inside of zscript

>>3919338
Just over-reactions about over-reactions about engine development. Business as usual, really.

>>3919351
*engine over development

>>3919346
>you wanna see my evil thoughts?
[broken_mods.png]

>>3919320

>>3919320
he's playing air guitar

>>3919380

>>3919368
vanu

If MetaDoom were to have its own maps, would they feature textures, sprites and even copy pasted areas from various Doom games?

>>3919401
They would feature commander keen

So we know a lot of things in GZDoom come from Quake like the console and freelook. But where does the sound effect, DSSECRET, come from?

>>3919412
DSSECRET was an original sound Randi made using a tracker tool, IIRC.

>>3919414
Interesting. It always had that familiar vibe, like it belonged in some other 90s shooter. I guess I am also not used to things in Doom being original, they tend to be borrowed from somewhere else if community driven :P

>>3919401
I've thought about this a lot. The way I'd do it is as a single episode of levels that blend together similar themes from different games. So, for example, a map blending together visual cues and the occasional room design from Doom2 MAP02, Doom 3's Mars City Underground and Doom 4's Resource Operations into something loosely resembling a cohesive hole.

This is probably a distant future thing, but I have been meaning to make another map lately...

>>3919419 (me)
Actually, with this in mind, this brings about another question hopefully somebody has an idea for. I always find myself curious when playing a PWAD what the original song file was. There are just so many songs I have no idea what the original could be, yet they sound interesting enough to look up. Is there a way to run a MIDI through a program and have it determine what song it is?

>>3919320
nice

lol at people who hitched their wagons to a doom source port 100% dependent on the capricious whims of a pompous asshole

>>3919498
I pretty much don't update and if a new mod isn't working I just go in there and make it work.

>>3919338
>What is going on to warrant such a question?

old grandpa zdoom has finally passed away. he went a bit weird for a while and started wearing a dress, so maybe it's for the best. now the kids are busy throwing away / obsoleting years of accumulated modder knowledge with a new system full of bugs. it seems they've lost their way. meanwhile, their old uncle zandronum is permanently stuck 5 years in the past.

the boom family aren't in a much better state. in fact, they all look dead, and are starting to smell that way too. a few occasionally display signs of life, but maintenance mode / bugfixes only.

the chocolate family over the road were never about that, they instead spend their days trying to resurrect their ancestors. occasionally they have a noisy baby who dyes its hair blue and goes around calling itself the way doom is meant to be today.

on some days you might see the nomads of eternity. they move around a lot, up the street towards zdoom's house, then back down towards boom's, never staying in the same place for long.

finally, nobody's seen anything of the legacy family for years. they say if you pass by their house late at night, you can hear an old man grumbling loudly over dialup noises, and Windows98 being restarted.

demonsteele is fucking awesome

A submission for Highway To Hell.

I told myself I'd only be making a simple level after the first one was such a ball ache.

Hahaha.

>>3919567

>>3919573
The starting area, an innocent looking car park with a suspicious amount of "POISON" signs and hazard tape.

>>3919574

>>3919575
Everybody likes Plutonia, so I made the end room look like something from Plutonia.

I'm sure players will find the ending extremely fun.

>>3919564
Demonsteele is probably one of my favourite vidya games period.

>>3919582
what's the red thing on the exit teleporter?

i like 3 and 4

>>3919601
clearly a canister of gasoline

>>3919621
i did wonder, but it also looked a bit like an inflated vest, viewed side-on. but now you mention it, the spout is obvious.

Underrated wads/mods?

>>3919642
Laura Beyer's Doom.

>>3919585
>"brutal doom is my favorite videogame"

>>3919537
i wanna see a thing like this for all the sourceports now, it's amusing to me
What's been going on with old man 3DGE? And the snappy youngsters Risen 3D and doomsday?

>>3919585
i wonder if there are any other wads similar to it, or maybe even other games

>>3919634
>>3919621
>>3919601
In Highway To Hell, you have to pick up a gas can and then take it back to Doomguy's car to finish the level.

>>3916217
I wish this game was more like Quake at times. Nightmare is constantly mocking me, telling me I am not playing it on a challenging mode, but I absolutely loathe respawning enemies to the point that any game that has them (Hexen) becomes instantly terrible. The entire game becomes a stressful rush to the end instead of enjoying the level I am on. Doom is inconvenient because it isn't a defined thing on all difficulties, but if you want the hardest challenge you need to do it.

>>3919692
Nightmare mode was added as a joke anon.

If you really want to challenge yourself, play UV-fast. Or Co-Op monsters + UV + fast monsters for the ultimate fuck you the first enemy you meet in BTSX on co-op is a Spider Mastermind.

>>3919694
It was? Weird joke, I guess I would understand more if I knew the original context. Especially since it seems games like Hexen took that joke and ran with it.

So it isn't like Quake, where the aggressiveness becomes a downside? I gotta turn on -fast.

The reason Doomguy fights hell is to overthrow it's rulers and become demon king himself.

Quake is much better than Doom.

>>3919708
Someone who gets this! I felt so alone here.

>picking up the jump boots makes you a few inches taller

>>3919701
the context is playtesters thought the game was too easy so id added nightmare

What was wrong with Doom 2 level design other than bland colors? Something just doesn't sit right with me when I play them. Matter of fact, last time I beat Doom 2, I swore I'd never play the regular levels again. Not sure why.

Also, is there any mod out there that simply adds Doom 2 guns and monsters to the original Doom levels? I think I'd like that.

>>3919682
Shadow Warria: Lo Wanging the Wang in your Lo.
Or DMC.

>>3919725
doom2.wad's maps are an acquired taste. you have to make a certain amount of effort to appreciate them.

>>3919725
I honestly have accepted I hate any id Tech 1 engine game that isn't the original Doom. I like some of the Doom II concepts, but it also introduces a lot of annoyances.

>>3919726
neither are close in gameplay terms unfortunately

>>3919708
I love the atmosphere, but I don't like how weak most weapons feel.
Playing Quake right after Doom had me struggling a bit to have fun.
Is there a mod that makes the weapons look less shitty by the way?

>>3919725
too damn large and empty is one part of it

>>3919339
Stretched Ranger face looks like a Vore's face at first glance, with his helmet parts being the feely-bits and his face turning into teeth.

I fucking hate big fan made maps. What's the point? FPS games especially Doom are at their best when you keep it short and sweet instead of a piece of shit maze switch hunt like Valhalla.

>>3919739
Honestly, I feel the weapons are intended to be weaker. You don't want to fly through the maps too quickly, especially since the levels are smaller, so things in Quake take longer to kill than in Doom. Doom is a slaughterfest of weak enemies, Quake is fighting with a pea-shooter against things that can easily kill you.

>>3919745
I hate long maps in general. I dislike even maps like E2M6, which feels way too long for me. If the level stretches out for ages with confusing geometry, it easily becomes boring.

What are the best city maps? I think they are an underrated theme and vastly prefer them to those fucking techbases.

>>3919749
Quake's weapons seriously aren't that weak at all. The GL and RL gib most mooks on contact and the SNG can down even a Shambler- the toughest enemy you'll face in the base game- in less than a couple seconds. The issue is just that most people played Doom first so they expect a few things:
1. the shotgun to be much more powerful and the Super Shotgun to mindlessly blow away any enemy they decide to kill (when the two are meant to be moved down a slot, with the single shotgun taking the place of Doom's pistol and the double-barrel taking the slot of the SSG)
B. the lowest-tier enemies to die if you so much as breathe on them (when even Grunts and Rottweilers need two shotgun blasts to kill- again, related to 1 and shotgun's perceived place in the weapon hierarchy)

>>3919745
I want to know exactly when the trend of stuffing 400+ enemies throughout a half-fucking-mile-slog Quake map became a common thing, because all it ever does is make me not want to ever play that map again.

>>3919762
Doomcity is a really old map from the mid 90's, but it's also quite nice.

>>3919773
>and the double-barrel taking the slot of the SSG)
*taking the slot of the normal shotgun

>>3919739
Honestly, I have way more fun with Quake once I pick up the rocket launcher in an episode. You get the fun of rocket jumping plus a weapon that's worth a shit against most enemies. Except for Shamblers, but those are Thunderbolt/Supernailgun jobs.

>>3919682
it takes extremely heavily from shadow warrior 2013, so try that out

>>3919762
memento mori map28

>>3919705
That's a weird way to summarize Berserk.

>>3919103
Yeah it does

>>3919762
Hellbound, map15 iirc. Also map24(?), something about city of pandemonium

Also Mutiny

>>3919749
>Honestly, I feel the weapons are intended to be weaker.
That's for sure, it goes for a different (worse) shooting experience.

>>3919773
The problem then is: where's muh SSG?

>>3919779
I agree, the rocket launcher is satisfying and a lot of fun. The lack of ammo/DPS for the SNG and the Thunderbolt is another thing that bothers me though.

>>3918758
It's almost like society takes away our face....

>>3919714
Does that effect the collision box? Are there small tunnels you can't fit in

>>3919762
plutonia map29. plutonia 2 map29

>>3919567
>>3919573
>>3919574
>>3919575
>>3919582
We SRB2H now?

>>3919573
what's wrong with your skybox?

>>3919825
>That's for sure, it goes for a different (worse) shooting experience.
Have you tried aiming better?

>The problem then is: where's muh SSG?
In the fucking garbage, where it belongs. Woe be the player who has to shoot the enemy more than once!

>The lack of ammo/DPS for the SNG and the Thunderbolt is another thing that bothers me though.
Cells are rare but nails are plentiful and the SNG is one of the highest DPS weapons in your arsenal, what the heck.

>>3919773
Most people who complain about Quake's weapons seem to neglect the GL even though it's meant to be at the same tier as the SSG (early weapon, very high damage, common ammo). The GL sits in a weird position of having a short range but at the same time having splash damage so it's a weapon that one has to switch to and out of often, but it's still a highly effective weapon. Maybe players coming from Doom are not used to using rebound weapon slot keys and rapidly switching weapons in combat?

What Doom maps utilize the most gore? I mean torture chambers, mutilated bodies etc Temple of the Lizardmen 3 went surprisingly dark with it's gore despite first one being comfy and harmless.

>>3919830
not that I've noticed

I just deemed it cute that they kept doomguy being a canon manlet

Does anyone here use DB2 over GZDB or Bugfix?

It looks like GZDB has better features for working with Hexen/UDMF format, but are they both the same for working with Doom 2 format?

>>3919887
good question, i can't immediately think of any, mostly doom hell is bloodfalls, fire lakes, walls made of flesh, skin, eyes and such. can't think of many torture chambers.

>>3919950
having said that there is Escape from Castle Chezcrea, that had some nice torture devices and stuff as i recall. a lot of attention to detail.

https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/a-c/crea_one

>>3919872
Fair enough. Even in nuDoom I stick to the same couple of weapons in most fights.
For Doom 1+2 its normally the shotgun/supershotgun and rocket launcher, for nuDoom its normally the shotgun and heavy assault rifle, especially since both of their best mods make most other weapons feel a bit useless.

>>3919887
there's some tortured marines near the end of the starter pack

I love how people whined about nu-Doom having too few enemies on the screen while original looked like this.

The horde of enemies meme was spawned by stupid shit like Hell Revealed and fuck that wad for it because it's a real chore to fight through 300 enemies.

>>3920059
well, you can get quite a lot of monsters visible at once on E3M6 if you open all the traps.

but in general, doom2 increased numbers quite a lot over the original.

>>3920059
oh, it's you again.

>>3920082
And Doom 2 is shit.

>>3920092
no, it's really good actually.

>>3920095
It's a pile of fucking dog shit and Romero should kill himself.

>>3920092
You say that as if Doom 1 is much better. Neither holds up well today

>>3920084
You know, more than one person can hate the trend of shoving hundreds of tough enemies into the rooms of most community made maps.

>>3920059
I actually find NuDoom tougher than old Doom on Ultra Violence. The game is based around getting glory kills to restore health but Ultra Violence turns them into a suicide mission half the time. Enemies also move very fast meaning you can get surrounded by smaller enemies quickly. If NuDoom had the number of enemies the average modern WAD has it would be insanely difficult.

>>3920150
it's inevitable, the more you playtest, the easier the wad seems to be. so you add more difficulty, playtest more, the cycle begins again.

>>3920150
but only one shitposter talks about how nudoom is better than older dooms because of the enemy counts and how romero should kill himself for it

>>3920169
really? guess i've missed this one before.

>>3920169
romero should kill himself for making dumb tweets about politics instead of video games

>>3920172
I haven't seen a political tweet from him in months and even he mentioned stuff about the US election it was like 5 tweets at most.

What he should kill himself for is failing to deliver the Blackroom demo.

>>3919835
Finally somebody gets it.

>>3919850
I was dicking around with adding my own textures to the game. It's from Sonic 2.

To be honest trying to make a silly Chemical Plant reference in Doom didn't pan out because the colours just don't look good together. I might alter it some more and just have a nice exploration map.

>>3916920
One of the best coop games every made.
>>3916832
Just turn off dodging.

>>3920198
I may have to go back to a stock sky texture.

I've also redone this room 3-4 times today, just tweaking the colours and textures.

>>3920208
i.e. it has to be played in coop because it's too dull to be enjoyed in singleplayer

>>3920230
still pretty garish, i mean you've got purple yellow blue red and orange all together

>>3920235
It's good singleplayer too. I wouldn't bother playing coop online with randoms. It's best with friends.

>>3919289

While you are working on Jupiter hell arsenal you think you could add in legend**m weapons to DRLA? Just make them unmoddable or some shit?

>seeing some people get their knickers in a twist over ZScript
>still don't understand what the big deal is

I don't wanna provide any ~*~hot takes~*~ without hearing both sides, but it really just sounds like some people don't like change.

>>3920353
The problem is that they're fucking with the program in a way that breaks backwards compatibility of other modding "languages" while trying to add their memescript.

>>3920353
I think they're considering Decorate obsolete and favoring ZScript while it is still in it's bug-ridden infancy

>>3920362
>meme as an adjective

This is an 18+ board.

>>3920364
>I think they're considering Decorate obsolete
but it isn't

>>3920362
>The problem is that they're fucking with the program in a way that breaks backwards compatibility of other modding "languages"

Do you have an example?

>no strife upstart mapping project

When do we get CUMDUMP?

>TFW Playing a scout.

Thank you jesus.

>>3920371
which is exactly why there is a panic

>>3920384

Hell is playing an RPG mod on a wad with Death Exits.

Is there a monsters only version of Hunter's Moon, or is that pretty much undoable?

>>3920395
Hell is playing any Gameplay Mod with Non-Standard Doom Progression with Death Exits.

>>3920395
>reload save from previous level
>changemap map12 or whatever the next map is

The last two gameplay mods you've played are now merged together into one single mega-mod.
What is it like?
How does it play?

>>3920406
>Reelism
>Demonsteele
Basically Bloody Palace mode?

>>3920406

>Temple of Lizardmen 3
>Vanilla D2 with HXRTC project

I guess it would look and play like first Serious Sam

>>3920406

>DRLA

>Trailblazer

OH YESSSSSSS