/vr/ - Retro Games

Not especially. Even though they drive up the cost of good retro, any genuine enthusiast is glad to see others appreciate his interest. For example, my nephew came over last weekend and was excited to play Super Mario Bros. 3 for about twelve hours with me. It would've taken far less time to clear, but we got caught up in challenging one another to perpetual matches of Mario Bros. every time we passed over one another.

>>3911030
I'm an enthusiast and I don't want more people playing games. All it's led to is games I like being more expensive than they should be, and we get to hear questions like "Why isn't Link a girl?" or "Why aren't there more black people in this game?" every fucking week.

>>3911030

Mario bros is one of the best 2player games

>>3911043
If you weren't an underage retard you would had all the good games already

literally asked /v/ about Mass Effect today and they told me to just don't bother because it aged like shit

What does aged even mean?
Shit is retarded

I just wish they'd stop interjecting their awful opinions into everything like some sort of authority. They have absolutely no clue nor context by which to judge the games in question.

>>3911078
The problem is those fluokids are too vocals to my liking.

Just in this boards alone we have mongoloids calling:
Arcade games money grabbers.
Shmups are for autistics.
Shmups are easy cause only memorizing skills.
Rpg like Phantasy Star too grindy.
Dungeon crawlers are boring and generic.
and the generic "Aged like milk".
Collecting games is retarded.
And Every fuckin exclusive user of Everdrive/PI3/Emulation

I would really appreciate if they shove those opinion up their asses and leave.

>>3911046
I'm 31. I don't own every single game made you stupid faggot.

>>3911092
These are the people who have no idea what it's like to have only one game all weekend and nothing else to do.

I'm sure this post will get nuked even though /vr/ is presumably a predominantly adult board, with adult people discussing things that adults typically have social awareness of. But all right, I'll waste my time anyway.

>>3910950
>I just hate how 95% of them call everything outdated, "aged poorly", clunky and so on.

That really isn't the main issue for me. It's that these younger folk keep shoehorning their retarded political counterculture into everything, including a whole generation of games that existed long before any these bullshit politics saw resurgence through the Internet.
e.g. shit like
>"Wahhh! This game panders to muh SJW boogeyman!"
all because the game had a heavily caricaturized tranny character somewhere in the cast, which is far from even being a flattering portrayal that could possibly be construed as pandering to anyone.

Perhaps worse is when they misunderstand the atmosphere of censorship that existed in the retro days, and falsely attribute blame to their political boogeyman as well.
>"Nintendo went and lengthened this character's dress hem by a full millimeter just to appease feminist whiners!"
Nintendo couldn't give a shit about feminism. Not today, not yesterday, not ever. Back in the mid-eighties to mid-nineties, Nintendo was just overly concerned with maintaining a family-friendly image. And I'm quite sure it was reactionary parents who were the most vocal whiners about sexualized content in the media, because they were lazy, incompetent baby boomers who wanted to prop their kids in front of the TV all day and let the media take over parenting for them.

>>3911345
save that shit for /v/, I don't want another thread ruined by political discussion

>>3910950

To be honest, I look at posts like yours and a lot of the brazen elitism on /vr/ in general and that's where I see the real underage posters. This whole black-and-white attitude of 'everything new sucks, the only good games are old ones' is a pretty clear indicator that you're dealing with a teenager that's trying really hard to be cool. It's the same sort of mentality you see in stereotypical comments like 'I'm 13 and I listen to REAL music like the Beatles, not that Justin Bieber crap!'. I was the same way when I was a kid. I thought that my taste was objectively good and I made a big deal about liking older stuff over newer stuff because I thought it'd make me look cool. It didn't.

As for the whole "aging poorly" thing, it's a clear display of stupidity whenever one of you kids throws a tantrum over it. It's a matter of not being able to understand that words and expressions can have a number of meanings. Yes the games themselves are software and as such don't actually age. But when people say that they've aged (and this should be really obvious to you), they don't actually mean it in a literal way, and instead they mean that some element of the game seems archaic or inferior in hindsight after playing newer games which have improved on their mechanics. If, for example, you weren't a teenager and you actually played Playstation games back in the day, you would go back to them now after playing newer 3d games and feel a difference in the quality of the camera control. Maybe the camera moves around by itself and it's all over the place, maybe it's just the fact that you have to use L2 and R2 to swing the camera around instead of using the right analog stick, or maybe it just feel imprecise. New 3d games have had years to perfect this and even the most mediocre new game will handle the camera a lot better than some of the best old PSX games. This is what is meant when people say something aged poorly.

>>3911356
>I don't want this thread ruined by political bullshit
Please direct your attention to >>3911043
who promptly opened that can of worms long before I made my entry into this thread.

Funny that you felt the need to call me out instead.

>>3911074

The opposite of "saged"

>>3911356
>I don't want another thread ruined by political discussion

>Underage vs. Oldfags: Shitposting Showdown!
I seriously doubt this thread is going places, Anon. Politics should be the least of your concerns.

>>3910950

I mostly just hate people who feel the need to frame a discussion in terms of young / old. It's such a retarded attempt at category making, they're identical to us except they were born a few years later and you want to feel cool and special by identifying with the category that has more years of living finished. And where are you even running into young people to have this complaint in the first place? I'm 30 and I never see or hear young people, are you to catch a predator-ing around in underage chatrooms or something?

>>3911358
PSX
>oh lord. you post is one of the most stupid crap I could read around here with emulation fanatic and console wars shit.

As a normal adult you make an opinion about something within a contexts (time location economics)
Can you compare what's new with what's old ? Yeah of course but Older thing have to be taken on their context. You compare art direction not graphics, You compare the composition and rythmic complexity of the music not how it sound. You compare the gameplay layers and learning curves not how many buttons were used.
But that what the people like you do.
If you can't put yourself in those contexts your conclusions would be biased.
>>3911410
Tell me you see that curiosity and the capacity to analyse what surround them on younger people. they can't even search something outside of google. Tell them to check a book and no on would buy it. Give them information and it lost in their brain limbo.They prefer watching than experiencing. they are surrounded with so much informations they just give a shit anymore. Don't kid yourself there is a gap on the analyzing capacities and tools (aka knowledge) from older and younger people. I am not ashamed to do skimming on some schools I work. I don't care if from 183 people I select 17 to graduate on my section mostly because they are curious and can synthesize what they are given to make their own opinons. Younger generations are not the same to us. As we are not the same to people from the 60's or 70's. But there is more shitty opinons (passed as facs) and passive personalities on younger one than us or older.

>>3911030
>>3911043

This is what's up. It's cool to have others to share an interest with, but for the love of all that is holy and dope:

Please stop hiking up the prices on retro shit for us 20-somethings that always wanted to buy this stuff but couldn't because we were broke ass kids.

Low print-runs aside, I really don't wanna pay $50 for a Nintendo cart or a Dreamcast game that I saw at Funcoland or EB for less.

Whenever you see a piece of crap just laying on the grass in /vr/, just remember that the streets are LITTERED with shit in /v/.

>>3911714
maintenance is better than cure.
We should clean the shit too.

>>3911708
What is piracy?
and if it's an N64 game it's 100% worth

>>3911751
That also one of the difference between old/young.

As a kid buying something legit was something really big.
VHS box, LD, video games.toys.

we learned to know the value of those object, Not only the simple immaterial content inside them.

Young people like >>3911308 don't have those notions. opposite of 30+ people They are more familiar with the immaterial and so they face too much content and that why they don't care.
Everything is flavor of the week.
Everything is impulsive quick and end abruptly.

At the end we have:

-Old Extremists puting games on shelf and that it. Others of the same kind buy them boxed and never open them. Some Hipsters even forget they have a game.

-Emulators users and Everdrive Schizophrenia don't give a single shit about the physical release. there is just too much of them to the point they don't even care about the content they say they value so much to and they don't even play games. and just swap games like they switch channels.

In a perfect world would could mix of all this and enjoy. But people have their head so deep in their own asses no one learn from each others.

>>3911787
>some hipsters forget they even have a game
This is an unforgivable sin. The sin of Gluttony in all it's forms. The sheep who consumes wihtout a second thought.

Every game I own, I have intention of playing and beating because it looked at least mildy interesting. If I hate it, it's likely going to be sold at some point to make room for others.

>>3911804
And that the most logical this
You can't imagine How many people I know got a 64 Or that Mini nes with muh zelda and never touch the game after the first day they boot it (I checked the saves of 2 of them) inflating the prices buy buying shits for 5 minutes of micro fame and bragging.

Without curiosity, Patience and Dedication are rarest traits on people today. They want everything immediately.
Yeah you can play all the rare printed games in a moment on emulation.But they lost so much in the counterpart

where is the fun of searching a copy ? Where is the joy when you do an exchange with another person for that game?Even more if you meet in person and get a drink while talking about your hobby? that feeling when Opening the box and see with your own eyes it's the real thing and checking if it actually work?

>>3910950
>getting rused this bad
anon please, stop worrying about what other people do, it's just a distraction placed there by the jews who are trying to keep your culture destabilized by reinforcing cancerous mob mentalities

>>3911092
How I feel ya

>>3910950
Not really. I finished my collections years ago. I just wish they'd fuck off from this website.

>>3911092
What's wrong with flashcarts? The people shilling them, or the fact they exist? I don't see a problem with them for people who don't want to collect every game.

>>3912098
>The people shilling them, or the fact they exist?

Shills circlejerking around ED and their infallible Lord Krikzz
Shills religiously defending the overpricing of said ED carts
Shills shitposting down anyone who ever mentions a non-ED Flashcart

>>3911098
no you're not

>>3911841
Right on. Sometimes it's the hunt that drives us, sometimes it's the thrill of getting shit to work.

Like toy hunting, sometimes it's the thrill of the hunt that goes into this hobby. Finding that holy grail like the proto for Earthbound, a legit Nintendo World Championship cart, or even that stupid Kira Kira Star homebrew that dropped a while back. These are our Ark of the Covenants, our Holy Grails, and our Crystal Skulls.

Piracy is sometimes essential for shit that was never officially released in a given region or language, or had a ridiculously low-print run, but if I could gain some insight into how the genuine article was made or feels, then I'm set.

There's also a side where we serve as historians, preserving working physical copies so that other generations can experience these things for themselves down the road. I still feel for the western kids that missed out on the arcade scene in its heyday. The coin-op culture was hella neat.

>>3910950
lol of something you see posted offends you turn off the monitor lmao like turn around shit man haha ;'D

>>3910950
ITS MY HOBBY AND I DONT WANNA SHARE IT WITH THESE IMMATURE CHILDREN

>>3911345
>"Wahhh! This game panders to muh SJW boogeyman!"

Ive never heard people complaining about sjw type stuff in retro games because retro games are from a time before the sjw nonsense.

>>3912725
before the SJW there was Nintendo's old localization team.

Ah, I miss life under their reign. It was totally rad. Sometimes.

>>3910950
That's because 95% of gamers are complete retards. Back then and now, its not a matter of time really. Video gaming is an easy to pick up hobby that especially attracts retards.

>>3912739
... so which one are you? Can you tell from where your head's firmly lodged up your ass?

>>3911358
>"that's where I see the real underage posters"
congratulations on attempting some sort of psychological takedown but all we really need to say is "actually we're 25+" and it's back to the drawing board for you, fucktard

i also like how you tell us to cut out the elitism yet still use "kid/underage" as an insult. i too agree that kids are fucking stupid and should not be taken seriously

>"This is what is meant when people say something aged poorly."
i'm aware. did you feel intelligent spending two paragraphs talking to nobody

if you are unable to read shakespeare due to what you feel is "antiquated" language, the problem is with you and not with shakespeare

you'll find very few people who claim that every old video game is a gem but if you claim that there is somehow no deficit in merit between the exploration era and the modern, rules-laden streamlined era

that even though companies have, for profit motive, so subdivided and abstracted the process/labor of creating a video game as to allow for larger amounts of lower-skill developers, the product is not worse than a small team of experts and pioneers

then you are a trendy bitch with no conception, indeed, active disdain, of memory and history

you are a puke and a traitor

>>3911787>>3911841>>3911092
the only way to pay respect to a videogame, is to play it proper.
whether you are emulating/using a flashcart is completely irrelevant, i don't know why you'd bring that up, just becouse you have freedom of choice doesn't mean you are an ADHD retard that can't focus on 1-2 games.

>>3912907
Because there's a school of thought that emphasizes hardware accuracy to play a game "proper",

and there's a school of thought that encourages playing a game as it was "intended" to be played, hardware accuracy can vary as a factor from game to game and designer to designer.

The best examples I could give for these two schools of thought are the Megaman Legacy Collection as the former, the Rockman Complete Works ports as the latter.

With the former, there's a huge emphasis on emulating the hardware limitations to recreate the experience of playing them as they were originally presented.

The latter instead preferred to rerelease the games and solve some of the limitations of the original hardware, such as the music having to share channels with the sound effects, tearing, and flicker.

Where emulation/flashcarting comes into play is that it contradicts the "accuracy" emphasis as the emulator may not come close enough to the original hardware. Meanwhile, the flash storage medium or whatever other medium you're using like a CD/DVD-R may store the game's data in a manner unlike the original, which may result in minute performance issues.

MvC's a fun example as the MAME rips actually clock a bit faster than the actual cab, and the closest port thus far to emulate the game's speed accurately is MvC Origins.

>>3912907
The first 2 anons also are coming from a background of the collecting aspect of the hobby too, where scoring physical copies was something of an adventure, thus increasing the sentimentality of their collection.

I think.

Anon 3 on the other hand... I think they're just cranky at the neophytes being noisy. Can't blame 'em.

But I also gotta agree with the arcade thread in that some titles being bullshit hard just to rob you of your quarters instead of testing your skill was totally a thing. Freaking The Bishi Bashi forces me to perform subpar unless I want the game to lock me into the hardest difficulty all the time.

The most annoying for me is how they passive aggressively use the word "nostalgia"

That shit is EVERYWHERE.

>>3912907
Lie to yourself if you want to believe that but that what the majority of Flashcard and emulator exclusive do and most of them are younger because like I said they don't know the value of one object. bulimia is the norm on every medium now. "Why buying a video release I have trillion of movies on Netflix" where they spend more time searching than watching,"Why buying LP or cd when I have Spotify".Why buying books and comics I have a kindle or a tablet with CDZ PDF.

>>3912948
I try my best to never put nostalgia on the balance. But like I said you need to build you opinion about something by taking the initial context in count.

>>3912960
I think they gorge and lose track because there's just too much shit to catch up on.

It would be nice to hit on every high note gaming's ever experienced, but there's only so much time in a day.

Not saying don't keep an open mind, but if you rush through an experience, it kind of warps it. There is a supreme bliss of finding out about a cool game, taking it home, then taking your time with it. Something I think that's lost on a LOT of gamers with how much is out now.

>>3912929
if you can beat it on a real hardware after beating on an emulator it's good enough, the sound and shit maybe off, but gameplay is the heart and it's rarely affected that much.
>>3912960
>Lie to yourself if you want to believe that but that what the majority of Flashcard and emulator exclusive do
majority of collectors never touch their games either and when they do, they fucking suck ass despite playing them since childhood. a collector's opinion on a shmup maybe a bit more valuable than some kid's. but if a kid can 1cc it, i'll value him a lot more.

>>3913021
>the sound and shit maybe off, but gameplay is the heart and it's rarely affected that much
Bullshit
>majority of collectors never touch their games
And bullshit again cause you know on this >>3911787 I already excluded shelf dust collectors and Factory Sealed faggots. and even those people who collect and don't play as stupid as it is are at least more knowledgeable on the medium than the rest.

But yeah if the guy whatever his age know and master his game his opinons and knowledge about it are valuable. But in real life that not the case and you already know it. minus some touhou and neo cave shits all those people who can arrive a 400%+ loops on outzone or crash the life counter of vimana are family men.

Idk. I used to not give a shit but I just got home from the Midwest gaming classic last night and it fucking sucked. This was my 5th year going and it's slowing gotten shittier and shittier to the point where I don't think I'm going to go anymore.

What used to be a gathering for people who appreciate old games to actually play those games has turned into a fucking loot grab. All anyone gives a shit about is making it to the vender hall so they can spend fucking $50 on contra (legit saw multiple copies for 50 bucks).

The fact that the value of everything going up has clearly influenced the amount of playable games at the event sucks as well. It's all donated by private owners for public use at the con and the last few years has seen a drastic drop in arcade cabinets and playable console games. I'd imagine the owners of these games see the value go through the fucking roof and suddenly they aren't so cool with letting strangers play their games. There were more people and less games to play than ever this year and it fucking sucks.

It's not necessarily underages, just casuals in general fucking up a thing that I love. This is a small focused example but it is a microcosm of a larger issue and it's gay as fuck.

>>3913048
That why it up to you to change that. even on small scale.
In my town I share my passion in every possible way.

Free play cabinets.
Free play console games even AES.
Organizing big multiplayers on big projector screen on things like Bomberman or guardian heroes saturn. Or Lan mod on daytona or virtual on for DC and saturn.
Theme centered games on multiple platforms like heroic fantasy Space racing whatever.

2 or 3 events/years is already a lot of work. and it always a pleasant occasion to tell resellers and collectors maniac to fuck off.

>>3913048
I have a Contra that may be a bootleg, never noticed it didn't have the nintendo screws, it sucks because it plays like a normal one

>>3913071

I bought contra 5 years ago for $10 and I felt like I got hosed. It's literally the like 4th most popular game on the Nes.

>>3913057
I'm all for a good LAN but you're being a tad bit unrealistic.

>>3913041
>Bullshit
as expected from someone with cinema director as his avatar, muh aesthetics muh experience, sounds a lot like modern gaming isn't it?
>And bullshit again cause you know on this >>3911787 I already excluded shelf dust collectors and Factory Sealed faggots
you excluded 99% who cares about hardware then
>are at least more knowledgeable on the medium than the rest
worthless trivia to be blunt
>minus some touhou and neo cave shits
all the good players then, when they play something like r-type they no miss 2 loops in a couple of days. meanwhile people who seriously give a shit about buying games have been playing for decades and are still complete shit at them, i've yet to see a good, hardware only player.

>>3911098
I don't think you're 31. You're more likely 20 at most. If you are really 31, I pity you for having the mind of a 20 year old.

RESPECT THE HOBBY GUYS

>>3913101
wow you just destroyed him

>>3913098
If you weren't clueless you would understand the cynism about it.
Kitano was guy with a real cinematography and direction but he also created the perfect exemple of game deconstruction. A memorial of a guy who hate video games. and 30 years later he now play a role in a video game.
Pure sweet sour irony.

for the rest learn to understand what people tell you. 99% show you don't know shit and your facts are just presumptions. It the same as saying all "skinhead are neo nazi".

Crawl out from your hole. stop looking at the world from a keyhole and go into events.
a range of ages from old farts to young faggots.

>>3912832
Phonefag redditor, please go.

>>3912725
>Ive never heard people complaining about sjw type stuff in retro games

Underage /v/ cross-boarders. /vr/ has plenty of them. You probably just haven't noticed because their /v/pol/ rants usually get deleted.

>>3913323
>Underage /v/ cross-boarders. /vr/ has plenty of them.

I hate to tell you, a lot of those people are in their 30's at least who are the worst for bitching about it.

>>3910950
I'd rather have more kids around here than more endless whiners like OP.

>>3910950
Maybe if you'd stop playing poorly aged clunky pieces of memeshit like Super Mario and Half-Life people would stop giving you crap all the time OP.

I don't mind when people claim something has aged so long as they actually list reasons why they think so instead of just using it as a way to shit on an older beloved game with no actual criticisms. That being said what I don't get is how people just can't adapt to an older mechanic or control scheme that isn't widely used today. Maybe it's just something with younger people now that every game uses almost the same exact kind of control layout and camera but it never took me more than a minute to adapt to any older games I hadn't played before that did something different.

>People enjoying my hobby "the wrong way" are ruining my enjoyment of it

I know the feeling of having only a scant bunch of snes carts with the only way of getting anything new to play being the off chance of meeting a new kid willing to trade his never-before-seen carts, and honestly I'm really happy with being able to play pretty much any console, handheld and arcade game made in the 20th century through retroarch.
Yeah, there is romance to having only one game for a whole month and squeezing every last drop of its content without internet guides to tell you where to look, but I am getting older, I don't have all the time in the world, there are a shitton of games I wanna try out before I die, and buying them legit is expensive and honestly a waste of money unless you're a collector and thus actually enjoy having legit games for the sake of it. Not saying there's anything wrong with it, you gotta spend your money on the things you enjoy after all.
But what I'm getting at is that times have changed for the better. Also, if kids show interest in old games, that's nice to see.
>but they're idiots and don't understand/appreciate the hobby like I do
This has nothing to do with age.

>>3911043
>games I like being more expensive than they should be
But this is the best part. Everyone who's not underage or retarded noticed this starting to happen several years back. Everyone who wasn't a huge poorfag bought anything they didn't already have then.
Sounds like you're actually the kind of underage bandwagon collector your bitching about.

>AAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
>FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!
the thread

>>3911030
Did you fuck him?

>>3911787
>always had few games, had to rent most of my shit
>for the whole genesis lifecycle only had the sonic 2 that came with it
>discover emulation on the DC
>play all the games i missed, didnt knew about, couldnt rent
>get PC
>finally able to play Lunar TSS after years of just looking at its ads in magazines
>finally, a poorfag like me could play neo geo games
>discover other systems like the pc engine, SMS, C64, ZX Spectrum and more
>really enjoy and love playing these old ass radical games
>but wait, i dont really care about them because i emulate and don't play on physical hardware
Well fuck you too buddy.
Look, at the end of the day, emulation will never beat the feel of playing on real hardware, on a real CRT with games that come on boxes like those sexy Sega CD ones; but saying that I care less or none at all because I emulate? When it was my lack of games that makes me appreciate all the plethora of games at ones fingertips in this age?
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

No actually, I wish you 40+ dads who nostalgiafag over everything and hold irrational hatred for modern games (which you never play) stopped posting. I'd much rather talk with reasonable individuals who play old games because they enjoy games from any era.

>>3915067
I pretty much agree with you, but don't lump us all together. I'm in my 40's and love modern games. I think we're practically in a golden age.

Important realisation of the day: just because you share the same hobby, the same love, adoration for a game or particular genre, doesnt mean you get along with these people. I have been into this long enough to realise that gamers are self indulgent little retards. Even the gaming industry has realised this and treats you like it these days. Move on, enjoy your hobby and seek your friends outside of gaming.

>>3915043
Screw you too buddy.

>In a perfect world would could mix of all this and enjoy. But people have their head so deep in their own asses no one learn from each others.

If you can't read I can do nothing for you. How the fuck do you think I learned to enjoy PC88/99 or X68k games ?
Do you think I would go buy an old ass PC88 for 500euro or 800 euros.
been exclusive to one way is the problem here. mixing the two is the only good way for me to enjoy the medium. But Don't tell me you can't spare some money here and there to buy some games and consoles.

>>3915067
Tell me that again lil prick? But I have the advantage of working from home and I am a senior in my job so taking days off after a big job is easy and don't affect my finance the slightest.
>>3915119
That indeed a good advice in everything. having some friends with the same interests is cool. but having exclusively friends with the same interests is a necrosis. I will add don't befriend people because you are bind to the same place some hours each day. be it coworkers or at school.

>>3911787
>As a kid buying something legit was something really big. VHS box, LD, video games.toys.we learned to know the value of those object, Not only the simple immaterial content inside them.

I have to say, as one of the old farts around here I sort of disagree with this. While yes, buying things like games was much bigger deal when we were younger because money was harder to come by and the time between purchases was often pretty long.

But I don't think that gave me a special appreciation for the games, especially them as physical objects or because they cost a lot. It did make me a lot pickier about what I would actually buy and that had a bit of the opposite effect.

I used to rent a lot in the days before emulators were good (and when you could actually rent games) and it meant that I would usually judge a game very quickly, over the course of a weekend. If after that initial impression I didn't like something enough to rent it again there was a good chance I just would never play it again. If it was a case where I rented a couple of games at the same time and one didn't interest me when I played it there was a good chance I'd ignore it in favor of the better one and maybe hardly give it a chance.

But now with everything at my fingertips all the time, I can go back and check out any game whenever I'm feeling like exploring something different.

Take for example Eternal Champions. There's a game I rented once in 1994 or so and thought was pretty shitty so I never re-rented or really thought about it after that for many years.

But thanks now to good emulation and this place I've now run into several people who liked it a lot better and that made me revisit it a few times.

It's still not something I'd call good, and would certainly never buy or even rent again, but I've developed a little more appreciation for it. To me everything that makes a game great is what you refer to as immaterial. It's the actual design of the game I care about.

>>3911841
>where is the fun of searching a copy ? Where is the joy when you do an exchange with another person for that game?Even more if you meet in person and get a drink while talking about your hobby? that feeling when Opening the box and see with your own eyes it's the real thing and checking if it actually work?
>>3912709
>Right on. Sometimes it's the hunt that drives us, sometimes it's the thrill of getting shit to work.

None of this entices me at all. Even when I did collect physical carts, the at of looking for them was never all that interesting to me. There is a joy when I would find something I was searching for, but it's mild compared to playing the game. Meeting the person and making the trade similarly, isn't bad but not something I actually looked forward to nearly as much as just being able to play the game I wanted.

I do love sitting around talking about games, but not necessarily with random people I meet to buy things from.

Why does every fucking moron on /vr/ believe that hipsters and underage people are the reason for price increases on not all the other autistic sperglords on here themselves included?

>>3915263
It's poor people who don't understand budgeting for their hobbies or the basics of supply and demand. Of course they're going to blame it on everyone else.

>>3915089
For sure. I honestly think that there's a culture among younger lifelong gamers to admire those of us who've been in it since more or less the beginning and try to emulate what they think our perspective is but in reality we love some aspect of every single era and at worst we may just be a little bit behind because we're always catching up and aren't necessarily trying to line up on launch day to spend $600 to play some first wave games that we know aren't going to truly be anything special. I even agree with you about it being practically a golden age right now with the sheer volume of innovative indie content coming out almost every single day. I go on metacritic, look at the full release list and it blows my fucking mind. Of course most of it is shit but at least it's shat out by people really trying to make a good game versus the shovelware that used to come out purely to try to get uninformed consumers to buy blindly while now there's videos and peer reviews everywhere.

>>3911050
Andromeda already aged like shit.

>>3915271
>and try to emulate what they think our perspective is

This makes me a little sad. Of course someone born in '74 will have a different perspective from one from '84, '94 or '04, but I think they're all valid. And those that try to emulate opinions of older generations are doing themselves a disservice in a way.

>aren't necessarily trying to line up on launch day to spend $600 to play some first wave games that we know aren't going to truly be anything special.

I agree with this as well, though that's nothing new for me. I've never been on the bleeding edge and it seems like there's even less reason to now with how much there is available to choose from. It's been at least 15 years since I didn't have a stack of more games I want to play than I have time to really dedicate to them and it just gets bigger and bigger now.

> Of course most of it is shit but at least it's shat out by people really trying to make a good game versus the shovelware that used to come out

And huge agreement with this. I'm one of those who subscribes to the "90% of everything is shitty" philosophy, but I think a lot of the shovelware today isn't bad on the level it used to be.

>>3911050
Even most of the people who liked Mass Effect initially gave up when they got the color select ending.

This thread is 100% troll thread so I'm going to use it to bitch about personal problems, kk?

>get $900 package shipped, turns out it was shipped with fedex, scheduled for delivery on the 11th
>never used them before, okay.jpg
>yesterday, the package arrives in a town 14 mins away from me, max
>wake up earlier than usual today, excited to get new toy
>check tracking
>it's in the exact same spot
>google "fedex shipping hours"
>see that there's one service they offer that *does not* ship on Mondays, ever
>guess which one I fucking got?
>call them up to see if I can pick it up since it's nearly literally within walking distance
>told that the facility it's at is closed today so that's impossible, but they would TOTALLY gladly hold it for me tomorrow :^)))


Let this be a warning to anyone that ever thinks of using that(fedex) piece of shit "service".

Had I known this shit, I would've paid extra not to use these chucklefucks... Doesn't deliver on Mondays... you gotta be fucking kidding me.

>>3915316
>Doesn't research his shipping options
>blames it on everyone else but himself
At least you fit in well around here.

>>3915316
I agree that FedEx has truly gone to shit, at least for their standard shipping methods and I assume premium isn't competitive with USPS or UPS either. Even DHL is better than FedEx.

>>3915316
had to wait an extra day for his toys.

>>3915339
But he got up EXTRA EARLY!

>>3910950
Honestly I would rather have more individuals. Many things out there will not infinitely last. There are maps made for DOOM that, by this point, can only be found buried in old shovelware collections or might not even exist on those. The more people interested in something, the better it will be archived.

What bugs me is those that would change the medium. So few play DOOM in DOS these days. It is depressing to load up the DOOM thread, where I look forward to talking about FEAR21, and instead get lots of 2017 garbage. I want my DOOM back!

>>3915348
Imagine a world before noon

>>3915352
>What bugs me is those that would change the medium. So few play DOOM in DOS these days

Why does that matter to you?

>>3915338
Lesson learned; do better research next time. I got so caught up in researching the best model of that specific toy, that I neglected to consider my shipping options.

>>3915348
#firstworld problems
>>3915339
IT'S TRUEEEE

>>3915357
It's weird, even if I had the option I'd never go back to sleeping in as late as I used to. The day doesn't seem right if I don't get to see the sunrise.

>>3915316
>tfw you buy an expensive ebay item, the seller doesn't provide a tracking number and you charge back the purchase as undelivered

And that's how I got a free copy of Tron Bonne.

>>3915367
For literally every day of your life other than today you'll be glad you got the better model.

>>3915367
>I got so caught up in researching the best model of that specific toy, that I neglected to consider my shipping options.

So what did you get anyways? Don't just tease it all day!

>>3915369
Fuck that. On the occasional day I don't have to get up with my son (usually before 7) I stay in bed until the golden hour has passed, wretched thing.

>>3915371
>>3915372
Right you are! It was just bumming me out a bit since I had today off, and I got tomorrow off so I would have an extra day to learn it, dropping all pretense, it's a metal detector(e-trac if anyone is really curious). And not long ago my Dad lost an old pocket knife his uncle gave him in his garden, and I'm really looking forward to getting it back for him and doing some digging- though expectations beyond that are modest..
>>3915373

I don't want to post much more because although it's "retro"(what's more retro than old silver coins, amirite?...I know, it's totally OT), this is skirting dangerous not-retro. I posted here because this is my favorite board, the porridge is "just right", as it were. I'm not trying to shitpost our board, just blow some steam off in a thread that is almost certain for shits and giggles.

Anyway, thank you, Gramps.

>>3915379
Yeah I used to be like that, but almost 15 years of getting up at 5 seems to have set things into a groove and now I love it.

It's all bullshit. The gaming community is very peculiar in that it looks with longing at times when they had no choice but to deal with costly, proprietary software. Nowadays you have so much freedom to emulate anything you want, and it's absolutely a great thing. Intellectual property is a prison for games.
I feel no different if I own an original copy - it's not a pretty hardcover book, just sitting there on my shelf does nothing. The only real exception are boxed goodies and manuals, but from what I gather most people here just get the cartridges??? Sure, knock yourself out. But if you can't enjoy the act of playing something without giving away a bunch of cash, maybe you should diversify your hobbies.

>>3915365
Because I have nobody to talk to about Doom. Everyone talks about Memento Mori and Scythe and all this other recent stuff. I want to feel less alien somewhere. We all want to belong somewhere, yet even among other retro gamers I find myself different. It just is depressing.

>>3915414
>The gaming community is very peculiar in that it looks with longing at times when they had no choice but to deal with costly, proprietary software

I maintain those people aren't really gamers, they're nostalgia fans and happen to center it around games.

>>3915414
Plus stored copies take up a lot of space. Do you really want a massive collection filling up an entire room that could be used for other things?

>>3915419
I can't help you I guess. I liked Doom well enough back then when I played it on DOS but if I went back I wouldn't necessarily want to play it like that again. I'm not into shooters enough to know about the other stuff though.

I'm just here because there's a lot of old games still love. Not really expecting people to agree with me a lot. I gave up on that long ago.

>>3915439
Yeah, I understand most will want to play the games in a newer format. I just hate the isolation, it is essentially like people are talking about a different game than the one I enjoy. I mostly come here in the hope that somehow the conversation derails to older content.

>>3915352
This, I have my room filled up with books and I spend a bit too much money on getting nice Oxford editions of philosophy and classic literature. It's a more satisfying brand of elitism than collecting software, in any case.

>>3915452
Well like I say I can't say much for Doom because it's been so long since I played it and don't know the real difference someone gets playing it new today.

But with something like King of Fighters which I do still play a lot, I like the games being released on newer formats because it brings more people to the game. And it doesn't matter to me how someone is playing it to be able to talk about it.

Probably just different perspectives though and that's fine.

>>3915457
As someone who's played various Doom engines, there is a big difference between DOS Doom or a faithful port like Chocolate, in comparison with something like ZDoom. I can understand that guy's plight because what most of the Doom community seems to play are modern engines that introduce fundamental changes to the gameplay. Just having the ability to look 360 degrees basically ruins the original maps, and there are all sorts of minor changes to graphics, enemy behavior, physics etc. that bug the hell out of me. I have nothing against those things being an option, but when I play the original maps I want all the limitations firmly in place.

>>3915457
I do appreciate the release to newer formats. In fact, I like that new mods get created as that leads to more options which only benefits the player more. It just is hard when there is a barrier between the games we play. Sure, we can relate to the original game, but once we hit custom content it gets impossible to really find any common ground. It is hard with Doom due to the mass modding community.

Yeah, I sadly am not that big on fighting games. My taste is more geared towards exploration, especially first person titles geared towards streamlined gameplay.

Exactly. I don't imagine King of Fighters would have hundreds of mods, so someone playing the game today would be pretty much like those playing it in the past, even if the exact medium changed. Doom, even source ports add custom features that make the game quite different.

>>3915478
Exactly. I have nothing against those that play it, nor that those are an option. But when the community is mostly focused on progressing into the future, it gets a bit lonely in the past. I come to a place for a game that interests me, yet most of what I see has nothing I can relate to. That is the problem I am having.

>>3915478
>. I can understand that guy's plight because what most of the Doom community seems to play are modern engines that introduce fundamental changes to the gameplay.

Yeah I can understand that.

> Just having the ability to look 360 degrees basically ruins the original maps,
Especially this, holy crap!

>>3915479
>Exactly. I don't imagine King of Fighters would have hundreds of mods, so someone playing the game today would be pretty much like those playing it in the past

Yeah this sounds like a big difference. Makes sense.

>>3915263
Because that would require them to acknowledge it's partially their own fault.

>>3912948
nostalgia is such an overrated term. I honestly think people get nostalgic about games only just tried earlier in that year.

>>3915569
This, I'm more nostalgic about games I played in my late teens than the ones I grew up with, because I barely remember them. The first game I ever played was Dangerous Dave, and I have no strong feelings for it other than "huh that brings me back".

>>3915231
We come from a time where doing this WAS how we got to play games, when emulators were still shit and the actual hardware was the way to go.

Some people still felt this way years after since emulation just didn't cut it.

>>3915661
I think I can understand where they come from, even if I personally emulate, because I have particular games where I am like this. They are purists, wanting the game to be the same as when they played it, and putting it on an emulator means suddenly the rules change. Bugs may be there that might not be otherwise, the removal of limitations may lead to new exploits, and the ease of using save states + keyboard may be harder than a controller (making the game feel nerfed). They may see emulators as essentially ruining the gameplay, making it to even other retro enthusiasts don't know what the true gameplay was like, or even complaining about thing that wouldn't have existed in the original version.

>>3915661
>We come from a time where doing this WAS how we got to play games

I'm in my 40's, I remember that time well. I just never enjoyed the process of looking for the games as much as I enjoyed playing them. And now that emulators are good I'm happy to go that rout.

>>3910950
>reee, stop enjoying what i enjoy

>>3911804
When I was a teenager I would impulsively buy and download shit all the time and never got around to playing it.

In hindsight I feel fucking awful and now I can't keep up with the mess I've made.

>>3915480
Have you seen the "Doom the Way id Did" map series?

They're full mapsets designed to feel like the old ones.

>>3915806
the problem is that they don't enjoy shit, just complain about wrongly perceived faults because modern games are in autoplay mode

>>3915492
Well there's the perception that there are a lot of people who aren't interested in playing them and just want some kind of "nerd-cred" or worse, think they're going to be able to sell them for a profit years later. If you're old enough to remember when anything not current gen was considered valueless old shit, and having a huge collection of it did the opposite of making you look cool, it can be frustrating. Especially since the rapid increase in prices indicates it's being fueled by speculation.

I don't know if that perception that a lot of buyers are collectorfags who just line shit up on a shelf is true for games but it is absolutely true for old computers, apple shit in particular. Some fag wants to keep it in a glass case and not ever turn it on so if you're interested in those old machines for actual reasons it kind of pisses you off when they're retarded overpriced

>>3915661
>when emulators were still shit
Many emulators still are

>>3911708
>Please stop hiking up the prices on retro shit for us 20-somethings that always wanted to buy this stuff but couldn't because we were broke ass kids.
People like you are the exact reason why prices are going up, holy shit.

>>3915959
That's why i just emulate or play copies now.

New games are affordable, but suck gigantic gorilla testicles. Old games are damned good, but are retardedly expensive in general. So fuck it.

Plus, some of the collector retard price hikes are moronic. Like kuon, a fun, but badly flawed horror game for ps2 (not retro, don't care). It literaly cost less than $10 a year after it came out. Now? Be ready to drop up to $200.
Why? From Software, the talentless assholes who made darksouls made it. That's why.

And don't fucking get me started on darksouls. It's "le epic hard maymay, le kek! People believe i'm hardcore now, right!?" because it punishes every little mistake. Still has checkpoints and respawning like all the handholding modern baby games though. Oh, and the dullest atmosphere of any game ever.
But apparently i'm wrong about all that, so whatever...

>>3910950
God yes.

I hate it when kids say they love retro games, then explain to you how OoT invented everything ever in videogames and it's the best game ever.
Oh, and the other big name nintendo games apparently mindblowingly amazing too. Can't fucking forget that little gem of knowledge...

Seriously, i'd love to simply hear ONE god damned original thought from these little shits. Rather than something they memorized from facebok or youtube...

Like, a 14 year old retro gamer who at least likes syphon filter, or shinobi 3, or x-men the arcade game, or SOMETHING not on literally everyone ever's top ten list

>>3911074
It's a word for it looks like shit

>>3915910
What if they exclusively play retro titles to the point that they have never tried a modern title? I am not exactly "underage", but I think you are referring to people relatively young, so I assume 21 would fit that bill. Never touched a game made after 2004 and haven't passed 2000 in about three-four years.

>>3915959
>If you're old enough to remember when anything not current gen was considered valueless old shit, and having a huge collection of it did the opposite of making you look cool, it can be frustrating.

This really just makes it sound like you're actually secretly concerned with "looking cool" because you'll loose hipster cred if retro games get too popular with the dreaded mainstream.

As has already been pointed out multiple times, anyone who was actually collecting 10 and 15 years ago when prices were bargain basement low and wasn't a total idiot knew it wasn't a situation that was going to last forever and bought up what they wanted.

Getting games for a 10th or even 20th of what they retailed for was great, but it was clearly because the people selling them in pawnshops and garage sales didn't think anyone would ever care. But obviously I, maybe you and many others back then cared and we saw what a crazy deal a lot of this stuff was. And those who had two braincells to rub together knew what was happening.

Collecting games in 2017 and complaining that the market has shifted to actually reflect the worth of these games is just ridiculous and childish. Blaming it on other people is even more so.

>>3917058
is that was the case, why are they talking about "dated this, dated that"?

underages nowadays already consider PS2/GC/XBOX games to be unplayable for them

>>3910950

>Be me
>Be 21
>Grew up with older systems and games
>Most modern system I own is a PS2
>Still prefer older games for the most part
>Gonna play FF: Origins later

Am I cancer? I don't shitpost or complain about aging.

>>3917127
I think it is up to the individual. Some will do that, some will play older games because that is what their parents played. I think all ages have people that can't look past graphics. I know someone in their fourties that grew up playing colecovision that can't play any older games as their obsession is with realism. They believe these games were good for their time, but are dated nowadays. So it isn't just kids, who grow up unaccustomed to it, but parents that have similar values.

>>3912832
man tit autism

Blaming consumers for fucked up market prices is like blaming poor people for the economy, it's the most retarded knee-jerk analysis for idiots.

>>3917297
Especially when it was games going for 5-10% of their original price just a few years after release that was the actual fucked up part.

I'm convinced these price bitchers were all around 10 in 2000, saw bargain bin prices and have been convinced ever since that's what these games should be worth for all time and anyone willing to pay a decent price for them is some kind of corporate shill.

What's the point of complaing about prices? Pretty soon we'll be able to 3D print exact copies of all retro hardware.

>>3910950
I wish people who makes thread like this stop pretending to care about retro games.

>>3911043
Sup, /v/

>>3917352
nobody cares about retro games infact all of /vr/ is ironic pretending

everyone knows that the only games worth playing are those from PS2 onwards

>>3917407
ps2 be dope baby x

>>3917256
>it's not even a hex receiver nugget
have some pride

>clunky

Every time I read that word in a post, I stop reading and discard what I already read of the post.

>>3918183
>>3914145