/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3901468
What the fuck was the point of S-video again? Couldn't they just add RGB input to North American sets instead of making up a pointless standard?

Postin

>>3901481
svideo was introduced with SVHS and Hi-8. You couldn't store uncompressed RGB on tape.

Remember to always fall for the SCART and PVM memes. Spend as much money as it takes to get the best quality picture. Start your autism quest today.

>>3901489
You can get 98%+ identical picture quality on a US consumer CRT by transcoding the console's RGB to YPbPr component but the most versatile way to do it does involve SCART cables, though it's not an absolute necessity. S-Video is even simpler and is ~95% as good as RGB.

>>3901489
So? it would still be easier to use that for input and output.

>>3901496
You can get 98%+ identical picture quality on a US consumer CRT by transcoding the console's RGB to YPbPr component but the most versatile way to do it does involve SCART cables, though it's not an absolute necessity. S-Video is even simpler and is ~95% as good as RGB.

Threadly reminder not to fall for the WEGA meme

Are OLEDs the new CRTs?

>>3901549
no

>>3901518
Or the Trinicon

Whats the deal with the types of scart and rgb cables I've been seeing on ebay. Are all the $10 cables actually worse that the fancy $35 ones? I have no problem spending the extra money, I'd just rather not throw it away on what amount to a marginally thicker cable .

>>3901624
You mean scart to bnc or console-specific scart cables?

>>3901476
if you create a palette based on reference NTSC decoding (basically what fbx did), you end up with colors not matching what consumer tv display. This is because consumer decoders are biased, the same way today displays use a "vivid" color setting by default.
CXA2025 bias is well documented for example.

>>3901648
>>3901365
Just re-linking my question from last thread.

>>3901670
Not sure how that happened.

does an extron crosspoint support s-video?

>>3901671
>every console is hooked up via rgb

PEEKABOO YOU FUCK

>>3901674
What, do you want me to hook up a NES through RGB? N64 is S-video now, I'll give you that.

>>3901672
Why don't you ask extron?

Detailed specs and user manuals are available for just about everything back to the year dot.

>>3901678
You made a point of specifically stating that everything was rgb.

And yes, I do expect you to RGB mod your NES you scrub.

>>3901681
Everything that can reasonably be RGB is. I'm tentative about modding my N64 because it has such a crap output anyway. Modding the NES is just stupid, not to mention the fact it's probably the least played console there.

>tfw you own a non-retro CRT

Who else?

>>3901724
Couldn't you scale it down before uploading it? This takes up much less bandwidth but still gets your point across just as well.

>>3901685
Honestly, S-Video N64 is good enough. It looks incredible especially if you have a Gameshark to disable the VI blur filter. Plus RGB modding an N64 has a few complications that ultimately make it not worth it (at least in my opinion, others may disagree).

As for NES, you have a Wii and could emulate if you absolutely needed RGB. Just use an adapter to use an NES, SNES, or even Classic Controller through the Gamecube ports. As long as you're not using the Wii's Bluetooth for a controller, it's pretty great.

>>3901732
>RGB modding an N64
I thought they already had RGB output.

work in progress, i also have an Amdek Color-I because it why not and a Sony Trinitron KV-27FV310

>>3901749
rest of the room

>>3901732
I'm actually absolutely fine with composite for NES. My TV copes well with the signal and I only really use it for Mega Man and Mario. N64 is different- it's one of my most used consoles.

>>3901729
My phone doesn't have any scaling capabilities.

>>3901671
>>3901648
No headphone out on the MX4000 and the only speakers you can hook up to it is B&O's own proprietary speaker system. They've been very protective of their brand so everything is so closed and snobbish in that regard.

A bit like Apple, actually

I don't know if anyone's ever invented some kind of adapter for those plugs.

Also, I think 3D games looks great on it as well.

>>3901818
>I don't know if anyone's ever invented some kind of adapter for those plugs.
These look like standard DIN sockets to me.

>>3901818
>the only speakers you can hook up to it is B&O's own proprietary speaker system
Translated:
>I lack the wit to source a couple of bog standard 2 pin DIN connectors and hook up whatever the fuck I like

>>3901818
B&O standardised their connectors in the 70s so everything is off-the shelf DIN stuff.

Oh and if you ever mention them in the same sentence as Apple again I shall personally come round and kick your tits off. Understood?

>>3901757
>Captain Skyhawk

I see you are a man of refined tastes.

>>3901646
Either one really. I'm just wondering if its really worth paying $40 for the cable in the pic instead of the plainer $10 ones.

>not just putting VGA and RCA audio ports on all your systems and using common switchers

>>3901892
i bought that so i could use cheaper scart cables instead of getting more expensive ones that breakout audio each time.

audio breakout seems to add like $5 to the cost of the cable every single time.

>>3901892
Probably won't make a great deal of difference with BNC breakouts as they use coax cable which is a lot harder to fuck up.

Cheap console cables use crappy stranded signal lines which are far more prone to picking up crosstalk and interference if improperly shielded - often the case to cut costs.

>>3901818
Ah, it's a shame it doesn't have headphone out. It may be possible to just extract the audio before it reaches the TV and use a headphone amp, I suppose. What do the powerlink DIN plugs do on the back by the way? I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for a B&O TV near me now.

>>3901757
What model of Trinitron is this? Looks pretty excellent, would you recommend it?

>>3902236
KV-27FV310

it's pretty good and has a built in subwoofer.

>>3901912
>>3901915
Thanks much, I guess I'll just get the fancy versions of both cables.

well, I bought the PVM-8044Q for $40

>tfw only 8 inches
does size really matter?

>>3902426
FOY

>>3902426
my willy is bigger than your screen

maisie

>>3901510
gramps is right about this one

alri lads x

>>3902426
it's serviceable if you have it sitting high enough up so you don't have to look up or down excessively and you are sitting within a few feet.

i would recommend at least a 13 inch+ with a 19-20 being ideal.

pic related is a 8042Q (not as good as your 8044Q but same size and series) compared to a 1354Q. i don't see myself upgrading from the 13 inch unless i get one hell of a deal on a 20 inch.

>>3902448
what's the difference between the 8040Q, 8042Q, etc? number of lines?

>>3902457
features mostly

Q within that series of PVMs means it can do RGB video. a 8042Q for example has 250 tv lines while the 8044Q can do 450 tv lines.

you need to look at a brochure to see all the differences but those are the main things that matter is RGB or not and the number of tv lines

>>3902448
your mums serviceable haha x

>people buying 8" PVMs for anything other than a curiosity in very small monitors

the meme is real

>>3902462
mine has a switch to change between 16:9 and 4:3 which is pretty cool
>>3902465
it isn't that small. you can play games on it just fine, just move closer

>>3902465

A curiosity in very small monitors, you say?
My PVM-5041q

>>3901678
What S-video cable are you using?
I have been trying to look for original ones but had no luck so far
I have seen ones that are compatible with snes, n64 and game cube but not sure if they are good

>>3902501
the chord you have doesn't matter all that much. even the cheapest 3rd party chords work fine most of the time

>>3902521
I found this thanks to the guide directing me to retrorgb page, in the n64 page they recommend this and other fully shielded but those are advertised to work for only one console
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-best-S-video-cable-for-Nintendo-SNES-N64-Game-Cube-Svideo-SVHS-1-8m-6ft-/131859379599?hash=item1eb36e758f:g:vn0AAOSwEppUPd4d

>>3902592
that's the cinpel s-video chord if you want to cut out the middle man. it's the one I have

>>3902487
How. u even play on that

Emulators on CRT is the shit
Why didnt i mod my wii earlier

>>3902663
yeah and how do people play on gameboy screens?!?!

>>3902667
What controller do you even use?

>>3902663
It's more of a novelty than anything. I do have an odd interest in small CRT display. I've got several 9" screens, a 5" a few 1" and some 1/2" displays in my collection.

>>3902663
Well, when you fall for the meme, you have to justify your purchase somehow.

>Be me
>Want a Commodore 1084 really badly
>The last time I saw a Commodore 1084 on eBay in good condition that wasn't a 1084S or -P or -D was a few months ago
>Didn't have any money for it, priced at $130
>Be browsing eBay right now
>See a flawless, nearly off the fucking factory floor Commodore 1084, with no bids and one hour to go, bid priced at $74.00
>holyfuck.jpg
>Immediately place bid
>Look at shipping info
>100.00
>Check my online bank account
>Only 112.00
>Cancel bid
It hurts. It hurts so fuckign bad.

>>3902720
>fighting bowser with 0 stars

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>3901740
I believe the best they can do is S-Video. Anything more than that and you need to mod, which you may not even be able to do since some models are incompatible with RGB amps anyway.

>>3902829
Yes you need to mod it for RGB or HDMI

>>3902717
i use the gamecube controller

>>3902861
I didn't ask a question, but thanks.

>>3902867
Sorry

>>3901510
>S-Video is even simpler and is ~95% as good as RGB.
That's only relevant for US TVs. For consumer sets in PAL land, going with RGB SCART is the best way.

Are flat glass FD Trinitron CRTs okay? Do they distort the picture at all or anything like that?

>>3901518
Excuse muy lack of lurking, why?

>>3902897

To clarify, I'm asking because I'm looking at getting a Dell computer monitor that uses FD Trinitron technology.

>>3902913
The Dell Trinitron rebadges are good monitors.

>>3901672
There are a zillion extron models, the crosspoint is the meme but there are ones that do combo vga/svideo/composite too.

BTW you can get s-video to BNC and shove anything through the actual connectors. It doesn't matter. Being a crossbar switch you can hook 3 different outputs to RGB, composite, and svideo respectively if you want.

>>3902934

Alright, thanks.

>>3901518
been there, this is after I fixed it in service menu as best I could, my 20" sanyo had better geometry
>>3901724
I had a 2006 samsung it was a slim tube and trbl for 240p
>>3902897
only the tv's have the bowing issue
>>3902906
High percentage with poor geometry, bottom bow isn't correctable without physical adjustments or fucking magnets, how do those work?

>>3902970
wrong pic

>>3902720
5"? how about 4"

I want to recalibrate my CRT's gamma. Which settings should I be playing with in the service menu? Red/Blue drive or Red/Blue/Green cutoff?

>>3903650
Why would you need to unless it's incorrect?

>>3903650
>Red/Blue drive
These are for white balance.
>Red/Blue/Green cutoff
These limit the max. beam current of the individual colors.

Gamma control is usually found in VGA monitors.

>my new 1996 trinitron monitor doesn't work

>>3903961
when you accidentally select the wrong photo

>>3903819
Because I recently calibrated my monitor using this test image and pulled it up on my crt tv and the two squares are nowhere near the same color, so I thought that meant the gamma is way off. Is there another test I should be using?

>>3903961
they all die eventually. I have a dead 1997 pvm. Also my XM29 is starting to show signs of age.

>>3904115
Im considering selling the XM29 before if starts dying. But its impossible to find a cheap multiformat replacement. I would have to start calling up AV companies again.

>>3904115
>they all die eventually.

Y-you liar!

I have a stock of 2009 CRTs in my warehouse.
I also have a 50s General Electric that still works so I doubt they will die so easily, it only took a bit of tinkering to get the picture.
The broadcast monitors will die because they've been abused for decades.

>>3904115
What happens to the NEC's? I have a XM37+

>>3904269
>2009 CRTs
Did they make them so recently?

>>3904281
yes with component

>>3901468
I didn't see this thread before, I'm copypasting a text from another thread:

Hello, I've been researching about the best CRT TV to play Retro games.

I've found that the Sony KV-36FV310 is the best one, but this TV is capable of fix the bloom effect, specially in white colors, which in turn is bad for retro games, because they rely on TV's artifacts to create some graphics effects. And bloom is one of them.

So I've found that the Sony KV-36FV300 is the second best CRT ever made, it has bloom and some of the old artifacts.

But soon I've found that there are some great differences between Shadow Mask and Apperture Grille.

All Sony TVs use Apperture Grille, most of the others use Shadow Mask.

I couldn't find anything that could lead to a conclusion, as far as I know, the Shadow Mask blends the image better, and the Apperture Grille has better, vivid colors and some scanlines.

So, anyone can make this clear to me?

>>3904292
What was the point of YpBpR? Couldn't they just introduce regular RGB to North American sets?

>>3904296
It's parroted nonsense for the most part

>>3904313
What exactly is parroted nonsense?

>>3904298
The point of YPbPr was to save bandwidth. Green is the least distinguishable color among Red, Green and Blue to the human eye, which is why it is mathematically deduced from the other colors.

YPbPr was designed with human eyesight in mind. Same with the 4:3 aspect ratio used for several decades.

>>3904323
Pretty much all of it.

Don't get fixated on one ultimate model from the outset. Get something cheap and easily available to start off with to test the waters.

>>3904332
The 4:3 aspect ratio is way better than any widescreen meme though.

>>3902267

Yeah, I love mine, but am regretting going larger than 27". They are absolute hell to move around by myself, and no fun at all with a friend.

>>3902970
>High percentage with poor geometry, bottom bow isn't correctable without physical adjustments or fucking magnets, how do those work?

Gah! So much this! I have 2 KV-36FV310 CRTs, and have adjusted them both multiple times now to no avail. The huge screen area makes it very difficult to get everything perfect, and the one concession I have made each time is to keep that slight horizontal bowing along the bottom so long as everything else is perfect... Man, oh man, do I wish the FV310 had a VCEN option to adjust bow like my KD-34XBR960. That option is priceless.

>>3902267
I have a kv-32hs510, which seems to be he same mode except a 32inch monster. Fucker is nearly 200lbs. Its great though because it has a dvi port in the back and could run a cable from my pc to watch shit on it. The dvi port stopped getting a signal a few weeks back for some reason though. Shit sucks. The picture looked great for hd even. Was actually playing dark souls 3 on it from my pc before the dvi port crapped out

>>3904346
You're right. 4:3 is designed around human vision, since the corner edges of your sight blur.

>>3904271
Shes still alive only slight warping/convergence issues and color needs adjusting. But once in a while the power resets and this worries me that the caps are getting old. I could replace the caps but there are 3+ pcbs worth of circuitry inside. Right now Im using a 13inch Zenith tv for most of my gaming.

>>3901468
>The type of bloom which the 310's high voltage regulator fixes has nothing to do with any supposed tricks used by game developers.

>It just means the overall image raster grows and shrinks dependent on the brightness level.

Can anyone explain it to me?

>>3904683
I'm getting parts together for recapping my CRT projector. over 10 boards, and 300 caps. It's gonna be one hell of a project.

>>3904683

I had an XM29 that was resetting, and it stopped doing so after I opened it up and blew the dust out of the fans. I read somewhere that it resets itself when it starts to overheat.

>>3902823
>He can't do the 0 star blj

>>3904795
yeah it needs a good dusting. I also read that it wont power on if the fans are removed or blocked.

>>3904773
dang thats a lot of caps. dont breath in all the solder and get high off the fumes ok.

>>3904839
Nah, i'll just go insane since i'll be replacing it all with leaded solder. None of the RohS bullshit.

Do you know where I can find a TV Model list like this one, but with Samsung, LG, Panasonic and Mitsubishi TVs? Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA

These scanlines seem a little crazy, but it's how my monitor displays 320x200. Does this look right, or should DOS games be running with doublescan to output 640x400?

>>3904840
The temp soldering is done at isn't enough to vaporize lead.

Trying to figure out the problem with a BVM1910 (had it lose deflection). Looks like the bottom of the chassis took a hit and the metal frame pushed up on the bottom panel of the PSU. I see a few spots where the bottom of solder joints wore through the plastic. Maybe this is the cause? Should I just take the bottom cover off, plug everything in and test it?

First pic is the top of the PSU (with lid removed). 2nd and down is the bottom cover and bottom of the PSU. That plastic didn't do much, solder joints stuck right through it (not shown).

Isa monitor with sync on green worth looking into?

I can probably get a 20 inch for pretty cheap but it only has sync on green

>>3905107
I see nothing wrong with that

>>3905843
wats a good crt to buy

>>3906426
BVM-D32E1WU or if you're on a budget, the BVM-D24E1WU

>>3905602
yes it is.

iirc you can convert csync to sync on green for consoles that dont support it

whats your holy grail dream monitor, /crt/?

>>3906489
Don't these have shitty geometry issues or something like that?

>>3906582
>dream monitor
Nec Xp37plus

Do semi-flat (horizontal curve, black, 90s) Trinitron TVs weigh more that fully curved TVs of other brands (quality brands)?

>>3906685
the BVM D-E series actually has perfect geometry.

>>3906796
not to be a stinker, but the only good consumer sets are Sony Trinitrons and shit like B&O's in Euroland. Tinitron's probably weigh more.

I forget if this board's weird rules allow the Rasberry Pi, but this new component/RGB out board looks awesome:

http://www.retrotink.com/

>>3906809
A Wii is $10 though

>>3906848
I would love to buy a wii for 10 bucks

>>3906848
wii can't psx well or use kodi

>>3906857
Garage sales, yo.

Speaking of, it's getting to garage sale season in north america again. Get out there and save those CRT's!

>>3906848
I don't feel like using a gamecube controller to play retro game.

What kind of quality are Sharp CRT TVs?
Are they as good as Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, JVC, Mitsubishi?

What kind of quality are Sanyo CRT TVs?
Are they as good as Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, JVC, Mitsubishi?

Someone needs to make a CRT TV brand tier list.

>>3906872
consumer displays? Sony is the best. Mitsubishi, Panasonic are second best. JVC, Toshiba, Sharp are third best. The rest are novel for some of their displays but largely these are the only brands worth considering.

>>3906872
>>3906883
How about Samsung CRTs?

I have bought a very recent model Samsung CRT for a very reasonable price from this Filipino immigrant who was selling it on a little shop near a Chinese restaurant.

He had kept it since the day he bought it in the Philippines and up to the day I bought it and it is still in a very excellent condition.

I just wanted a stylish but cheap CRT for my bedroom since my BVM is for my game room.

Are Samsung CRTs good?

>>3905602
What's the model number?

>>3906685
A lot of the D32s that were showing up on ebay had really terrible color purity issues, but I think it may have just been the same couple monitors being put back up.

>>3906802
>and shit like B&O's in Euroland
B&Os are just hyped up Philips sets.

>>3906872
Sharps are good, Sanyos are decent.

People have put together little tier lists of brands before, but that sort of thing tends to promote shit posting. It'd be better to just have a list of ones to avoid/be wary of.

>>3906982
Samsung's offerings are very hit or miss. I've had a few normal/round Samsungs from the 90s which were at least decent, but they're not the best.

For their newer offerings, the super slim flat models tend to have a lot of issues and suffer from the typical "flat CRT" geometry and linearity issues more often and worse than others.

>>3906982
they never impressed me in any way. Japanese manufacturing was far better than Korean stuff. If it doesn't have digital processing it's a nice bonus. Y/Pb/Pr is also good if it's one of those early to mid 00's CRTs.

I really like this one, what do you guys think?

Panasonic CT-27SL33 TAU - 27" CRT TV

There is a problem though, it has 700 lines of horizontal resolution, is that ok?

A common CRT TV has 720x420 max resolution, or am I wrong?

>>3907032
480*

>>3904528
2x 36" here, looking for 27" barrel tube XBR with apm speakers to replace the JVC.

I wish the FV310 had a VCEN option to adjust bow.

my jvc has it, I want to try an i'art but can't find a clean one.

>>3907032
don't worry about brands and models unless its a sony fv-310 or sd XBR, just grab whatever is name brand, has component inputs (at least s-video if its cool looking) and a decent picture, I've probably had a dozen crt's growing up and there's good and bad ones no matter what.

>>3906685
Funny you should mention that, I got a xm 37+ that just sits in the corner (yeah I know not as good as the xp37+). One man's dream is another man's heavy and in the way TV. Couldn't find anything to put it on, its 220+lbs, and its weird looking down on the screen (plus my cat attacks the screen). So I just play on my pvm 20.

>>3906990
It's a PVM-2030

>>3907037
That is the size of a standard NTSC interlaced signal. 704px would be the actually used width of it.

You don't actually need TVL that matches or surpasses the resolution to fully display it; 550 or so is enough to completely resolve your standard 480i signal.

Additionally, I'd be dubious of claims of that set actually having that high of a line count; Same as the JVCs with 750 listed.

>>3906582
A D24 would be nice, but I think the true endgame monitor for me would be the XP37 Xtra.
If there were a 29'' model, I'd probably go for that instead just because it'd be more manageable, but spec-wise, there's not really much more you could ask for, finer dot pitch aside.

>>3907469
2030 will take normal composite sync, there's no need to go the SoG route or look into converting syncs.

To the guys looking for consumer CRTs, back before the internet people used to subscribe to magazines like Consumer Reports. They reviewed probably most every TV. Libraries sometimes have all the issues (mine did).

>>3907475
Whats the difference between the xp37 plus and the xp37 xtra? Did the xtra come out later on? I don't see it mentioned here https://www.thefreelibrary.com/NEC+Technologies+enhances+CRT+presentation+monitors.-a019462649

>>3902426
It's great for sitting on my desk so I can play Famicom/Disk games with their tiny control cables and play バレーボール with my mother's daughter.

>>3907475

Oh alright.
Here's what the back looks like.

What's that port on the left hand side underneath "sync on green"? Is that still RGB?

>>3907512
That's some sort of parallel port meme, that's not a SCART port

>>3907512
that is rgb.

>>3907531
How do you know it's not YPbPr?

>>3907587
because 1992

>>3907587
Its DB25 which you can go to DB9 (std vga monitor output before HDMI / DVI came along). Just make sure its the right cable or make your own (check the pinouts)

>>3907032
Panasonic Tau is one of the top 5 brands of Flat CRT TV.

Go for it.

>>3906883
>consumer displays? Sony is the best. Mitsubishi, Panasonic are second best. JVC, Toshiba, Sharp are third best. The rest are novel for some of their displays but largely these are the only brands worth considering.

What about Bang and Olufsen, Loewe, and other European brands?
Where do they fit on the tier list?

I gave my trinni away for super turbo tournaments and I miss it

>>3907646
I don't think Loewe or B&O made their own tubes.

>>3907601
Hey PVM-2030 friend.

I have your older brother, the PVM 2530. Its a pretty nice set. Go to retrogamingcables and look for their RGB Scart to Sony PVM Monitor converter.

Also, in the mean time, buy it and play your systems via S-video. The PVMs do S-video quite nicely as well.

Okay guys, could you help me adjust my TV's image through the service mode?

FYI, if you're near Redondo Beach, CA there is a dude on ebay selling a Panasonic 34PW9817.

that's a 34" widescreen CRT with RGBHV inputs.

>>3907642
I see, but that 700 lines horizontal resolution is not standard, is it?

>>3907712
Get the service manual, read what the codes do. Write down initial values if they aren't in the manual. Adjust till it looks right. There's nothing we can do to help further.

You guys need to remember that a display rated for say 700 tvl is capable of resolving 700 line PAIRS. Basically such a tube would be able to show 1400 individual pixels horizontally.

This is of course assuming the front end could accept and process such a signal and the beam focus were adjusted to optimal values.

buying this when they have the RGB version http://www.retrotink.com/

>>3901468
i can grab consumer model Trinitrons
what is an ok size? 20"? i don't want something like a 36", it'd be too heavy to carry about

>>3907802
Doesn't it just take rgb in from the pi itself?

>>3907803
20-27"

24/5" is perfect but harder to find

>>3907730
Thats pretty high for consumer. Even old pvm's aren't as sharp. I had a 20" tau and it was very sharp and had noticeable scanlines. More so than any curved 20".

>>3904296
>I've found that the Sony KV-36FV310 is the best one, but this TV is capable of fix the bloom effect, specially in white colors, which in turn is bad for retro games, because they rely on TV's artifacts to create some graphics effects. And bloom is one of them.

>So I've found that the Sony KV-36FV300 is the second best CRT ever made, it has bloom and some of the old artifacts.

Bloom? Artifacts? What are you talking about? Both of those tv's are fine, but 36" is a little crazy imo, but may be what you need. Sony has used aperture since like the 60's or 70's, its why they used to have the best tv's because they had the patent. As far as scanlinage, that has much more to do with the tv line resolution and the calibration and life left in the individual set. In general w scanlines BVM>PVM>Flat Consumer>Old PVM>Curved Consumer, and each will have more noticeable lines the larger you go.

>>3907824

Not quite sure what you're asking but this is one of the first products to allow RGB / Component / S-Video out from a Pi.

Separately, a recent firmware update enabled 240p via Composite video via the audio jack.

>>3907854
>Bloom? Artifacts?

I think it is well known that CRT TVs produces artfacts, like color bleeding, white bloom, interlaced signal.

The White bloom shiny a lot on TVs, so it "bleeds" into other colors. Genesis used the TV interlaced signal + analog AV analog signal to create transparency effects.

>>3907837
I see, I guess this TV is just too good for older games with sprites...

I guess I'll have to look for something from 95.

Do you the general horizontal resolution for the 95~2000 TVs?

I'm looking for something that is flat screen.

>>3908021
As I explained earlier the FV310's high voltage regulator deals with the other type of bloom, affecting the image as a whole rather than individual pixels.

I feel you're trying to run before you can crawl.

>>3908021
>>3908113 here again

This link explains the phenomenon I'm referring to. No pretty pictures I'm afraid...

https://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvbloom.htm

Been looking for a small CRT to sit next to my pc desk and finally found one at a place similar to a goodwill. They usually have the flatscreen kind but today they had 2 13 inch tvs, one a rca and another a orion, I think. I picked the RCA for 10.

Decent for what I paid. Wish it was free tho.

>>3906871
what is a snes or PS to GCN adapter?
>>3906857
I got one at a thrift store for $10 a few months ago, they're no more than $40. Still cheaper than a Pi and that meme RGB adapter. more controller options too.

>>3901549
>Are OLEDs the new CRTs?

More like the new plasmas.

OLEDs don't seem to be replacing LCDs like 4K is replacing Full HD, but neither are they just a passing meme like 3DTVs or Concave TVs.

OLEDs seem like they will occupy a niche market for home theatre enthusiasts and professionals while the normies just buy the largest and cheapest LCDs they can find on Wal-mart's shelves.

Does anyone know if it's possible to buy OLED TVs that aren't cuckolded by "Smart" (ZOG and corporate tracking and dataveilance) circuitry?

It seems like only the cheapest LCD TVs sold today aren't "Smart".

What does /vr/ think of these Game Cube retro games collections?
There are other disc with collections of old games like the Mega Man ones too
Is the emulation good or just shitty ports?

>>3908117
Thanks! I've been looking for information for this kind of bloom but couldn't find anything.

I gave up the Panasonic TAU one, because it has 700 lines horizontal resolution, another anon said the graphics were crisp and had scanlines.

Maybe there is another Panasonic TAU TV that has lower resolution? It is very hard to find technical information of this older TVs.

I need to go with something from 95~2000 to find something to find something with the desired effect. But I'd like to have a flat screen TV.

Do you know some Flat Screen TV that doesn't have such high end resolution and uses Shadow Mask?

Also, do you have an idea of how many lines of resolution curved TV/95~2000 TVs had?

I'm going with something between 24" ~ 27" max, but I can only find curved TV's.

Thanks.

>>3901510
lel. wrong

>>3908580
>lel
no, gramps is pretty much right on this one

>>3908030
nothing about 700 lines is bad for older games

>>3908654
Won't it look "crispier"?

I'd like the sprites to blend together.

Do you know the common resolution of old CRTs?

>>3908612
You can meme all you want. Svideo is never going to provide even 75% the quality of component/scart-rgb

>>3908685
That's still no reason to discourage s-video usage, as its still way better than composite/rf.

>>3908685
in theory.
in practice it's gonna be extremely close, especially with 240p content

>>3908692
The point is we should encourage people to want the best. If all they have is Svideo then so be it, but lying to people that Svideo is "as good" is just wrong. It is serviceable in most cases. When you have a 27 inch pvm or a 36 inch crt it is not even close. If for some reason you are using a framemeister on a 70+ inch tv/projector it is immediately noticeable of Svideos lower quality.

>>3908683
>>3908654
>>3908030

I don't get it, why they marketed the Panasonic TAU as a 700 horizontal res TV if it was pretty much the standard?

I got it from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard-definition_television

480i
4:3
704×480 (horizontal blanking cropped)
720×480 (full frame)

Is there something I'm missing here? But it looks like that every SDTV has this resolution.

Maybe they were talking about progressive scan?

>>3908725
you should watch phonedork vid about TVLs

>CEO: So, the Dimensia range. What have we got?
>Chief designer: Well sir, it's big. Real big. We'll have to lay on extra shifts at the simulated woodgrain to satisfy production demand...
>CEO: Great! I love big wood. Keep it up!
>Chief designer: Thank you sir. Just one issue. It's the back. I can't seem to fill it. We need bigger connectors on there. RCA jacks simply can't cut it any more.
>CEO: Hmmmm...
>CTO: I think I may have a solution. In Europe they have a connector called SCART. It's big. Real big, and can do all sorts of things.
>CEO: Tell me more.
>CTO: Well, it can carry composite video in and out simultaneously for VCRs and such. It can automatically switch on connected devices and select the appropriate input when those devices are switched on. It can also work in reverse to switch on and configure the TV when a connected device is powered on. It could be used in the future to configure the TV for different aspect ratios when fed an appropriate signal. It also has support for RGB and enough pins left over to accommodate future signal standards. I hear Matsushita is developing an enhanced VHS standard using separate luminance and chrominance signals. Rumour is it will be called Super Video and we need to future proof. This connector could make out sets the envy of the world.
>CEO: Big...okay, I like the sound of it. Does the EIA have this thing on their books yet?
>CTO: Not yet. Would you like me to speak to them?
>CEO: Most certainly! Make sure they simplify it though. Take out all that artsy fartsy stuff you talked about. We only need composite and don't want to confuse our user base. Tell them it needs to be BIG.
>CTO: Errr...
>CEO: Great seeing you guys! Pencil us in 9 months from now for the launch meeting. Now, where are my golf clubs...

>>3908725
I already pointed out above that tvl specs indicate the tube's ability to resolve line PAIRS.

The (theoretical maximum) pixel resolution is double the stated figure.

>>3908737
I didn't see it, I'll look for your post.

>>3908734
I'll watch the video.

>>3907492
NEC XP3791 "Xtra"

Big difference about the Xtra is that is supports component input natively, so you have a massive CRT that can take just about any possible analog signal type you could possibly want to throw at it, and at nearly any resolution you could possibly want, only limited by the dot pitch for actual picture quality and the 95khz horizontal sync limit.

>>3907512
CMPTR connector; Multi-purpose connector used on some Sony monitors. Can pipe RGB into it just like if it were a SCART input or the BNC inputs commonly seen on newer PVMs, just need an adapter for it.

>>3907698
B&O use Philips tubes.

>>3908547
>>3908683
>Also, do you have an idea of how many lines of resolution curved TV/95~2000 TVs had?
>Do you know the common resolution of old CRTs?
You're not going to be able to find line counts for nearly any consumer CRT, especially older ones, at best some guess work or approximations. It's just not something that was advertised for the most part.

>>3908714
Going to digital is obviously going to show the difference between S-Video and RGB, since it's going to magnify any little defect/artifact in the image, but I have to agree with the anon above you. In practice, a decent S-Video source (read: good encoder and quality cables) is going to look damn close to the same signal over RGB or Component on a good CRT. RGB may be more vibrant due to full resolution given to colors/more bandwidth given in Component's case, but this isn't going to come into play terribly much with the relatively limited color palettes of retro games, especially for 4th gen on back.

If people want to go for higher quality signals, I absolutely think they should, but to tell those happy with the middle ground that there's a huge gap in quality between S-Vid and RGB/YPbPr isn't fair either.
You're not doing it, but the people who try to equate the quality difference to that of Composite to S-Video are the absolute worst for this sort of thing.

>>3908725
Welcome to the rabbit hole that is analog video signals. Check your sanity at the door.

704x480 is the standard resolution for the video signal. This has nothing to do with the physical resolution of any given set's tube, whether it's 250TVL or 1000TVL.
A tube with a higher horizontal resolution will be able to more clearly resolve that signal, up until a point where diminishing returns kick in and the increased TVL simply allows you to pick out each discrete "pixel" from the one next to it.

1/2

>>3908743
>>3908725
2/2
The same picture will still be there on the 250TVL set, it will just be considerably softer and less crisp.sharp. Maybe you won't be able to read the text as easily, but older consoles tended to compensate for this by having decently large fonts.

Additionally, most retro systems aren't actually making full use of that 704px horizontal resolution; More often than not, you're looking at something half that, in the 300px range.

>>3908743
>>3908745

Oh, I got it now.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, I'm definitely looking for somithing 300px range, I really want the image to be smooth and without small scanlines.

So I need a Shadow Mask TV with 300 horizontal line resolution, with bleeding colors.

I guess I'm looking for a low end CRT TV but I really would like it to be Flat Screen, can you recommend one?

>>3908742
>You're not going to be able to find line counts for nearly any consumer CRT

I see, thanks. That makes sense.

>>3908737
I couldn't find your post. =(

>>3908734
I'm at his channel, but I can't find it, do you know the video's title/link or can you describe the video so I can guess it?

>>3908749
correcting the post:

and with small scanlines*, I want the scanlines to be thin/small.

>>3908754
it's inside the bvm d24 video

>>3908760
Thanks.

>>3908749
Most flat tubes of any decent size are going to be sharp enough to where you're not going to get a really soft picture, even with composite.

Not sure how things are for the smaller flat sets, my only real experience with with 20''+ models.

If you're really looking for a softer, bloomy picture, something generic in the 13'' range or so from the mid 90s should get you what you're looking for. You could go bigger, and better quality, but I'd suggest bringing along something to test with (assuming where ever you're looking for one doesn't have a source to begin with) to make sure it has a picture to your liking.

>>3908754
>couldn't find your post
>>3907771

>>3908754
>but I can't find it
https://youtu.be/ffiR4E1id-8?t=6m41s
Considering your aim, it's ironically paired up with a CRT with just about the highest TVL you can find.

https://youtu.be/ffiR4E1id-8?t=6m41s
Time coded for where he talks about it.

>I want the scanlines to be thin/small.
You can actually still get that sort of thing from some of the smaller professional monitors.

This is a 13'', 550TVL Ikegami doing RGB. Very clean picture, but -nearly- invisible scanlines.

>>3908763
when trying to show blank lines, use a normal camera angle. This is a 14" ikegami (tm14-17r) doing RGB, blank lines are very visible. 500TVL. I think I've only ever lost clear blank lines on a 9" panasonic. I have an even smaller Ikegami that still has visible blank lines.

>>3908778
I actually thought about that, immediately after posting. I just grabbed the first image in that folder that would actually be uploadable.

You sure that isn't one of the later releases of the 14-17 with the 600tvl tube, since this is the exact same model.

I'm not arguing that the lines aren't there, just that they are decently small and thing in comparison to even the lower end Sony's (admittedly, due to the difference in mask type)

>>3908749
you can just turn the sharpness/detail down to make it softer. scanlines arent very noticeale on a 20" consumer set and under when youre sitting a few feet back anyhow.

Get any tube and use composite with the sharpness lowered and you'll get what you want.

>>3908784
TM14-17RZ, which I believe is the same 500TVL tube.

>>3908793
>RZ
650TVL, actually, if you want to believe Ikegami. Depending where you look, even on their own site, there are 3 or 4 different TVL counts given for the 14-17R, ranging from 500, 550, 600, or 650, in the case of the RZ.

http://www.ikegami.com/br/products/sdtv/tm1417rz.html

Mine is an older R, so it's tube/gun(whatever changed in the Hitachi tubes they were using) would be on the lower end of that range.

>>3908797
Interesting. I haven't tinkered with the inside of my monitor so I'm not sure of the exact tube. I was planning on selling one of my ikegami's to a friend after I adjust it, should compare them before I do that.

finally got my CXA2075. It's clearly the best for S-video encoding of what I've tested. The SMD package is a bit of a pain, but can be worked out to fit in a smaller space, even with the crystal and LM1881.

>>3908853
Congrats on falling for a meme!

kya, does your megaview has problem on flashing screens, specifically on s-video and composite ?
With 240p suite, on the solid screen test, if I switch rapidly between black and white, I get jumpy screen on s-video and composite, but strangely enough with RGB it's fine...

>>3909081
Jumpy screen as in losing sync, or?

Honestly don't use composite terribly often on the Megaview, aside NES, much less with 240p Test Suite; S-Video even less often than that. What console in particular are you running it on?

I can go up and futz around with it for a few to see what happens though.

>>3909108
>Jumpy screen as in losing sync
yes, that kind.

I tried AVFamicom NESRGB in RGB and svideo, regular AVFamicom composite, megadrive s-video and RGB, and snes svideo and RGB. Results were consistant, RGB was stable but composite and s-video were not.
another easy game is MD batman & robin, full screen bombs makes the screen jump, and the gotham bank explosion flashes makes it go crazy.

>>3909164
Slight hiccup when going from white to black in 240p Suite, but very minor; Going in and out of the full screen color test back to the menu definitely shows issues.

Batman and Robin acts exactly as you describe; Bombs and the bank explosion make it loos vertical sync.

With Composite and S-Video, the sudden peaking from going to full white is interfering with the vertical sync pulses or at least the Megaview's ability to actually make use of them.

Presumably, you're using CSync instead of CVid or Luma Sync for the Megaview when you're running RGB, so that sudden burst of white isn't there to interfere with the sync pulses and as such keeps in sync perfectly.

I want to say stuff like the FrameMeister also has those sort of sudden white screens causing sync problems if you're not using CSync.

>>3909204
ok thanks for the confirmation. Seems like megaview sync circuit isn't exactly great.

>>3901468
>tfw caught dad before he tossed out some perfectly fine 30-some odd inch CRT

Had no room for it, he said. Mine now.

how reliable/fixable are PVM-2030s?

I found an auction for one at $25. messaged the seller asking for a picture of the monitor powered on so I could see the picture quality. he responded with "for $25 you're on your own"

The monitor is probably fucked right?

>>3909274
If you take a chance and it's busted I'll have the power button (assuming it still has one of course)

Do larger CRTs have more dangerous electrical buildup than smaller CRTs making them more dangerous to work on if you touch the wrong place?

>>3909243
>>tfw caught dad before he tossed out some perfectly fine 30-some odd inch CRT

32" and 36" are the most common tube sizes in the 3X range.

>>3909302
A good rule of thumb relating to the operating voltage of the high tension circuits (i.e. flyback and anode) is 1kv per inch of screen.

Slight off-topic question: I'm trying to connect my PSP to my Sony FW900. I have a working Component cable for the PSP, and a passive YUV-to-VGA adapter.
When I try to connect everything to input 2 on my monitor (the VGA one), I get a green-tinted picture.
I couldn't try on Input 1 (the BNC one), for the lack of a male-male VGA cable/adapter ( or a BNC-male VGA one, I just have a BNC-female VGA).
I know my VGA input to be a bit finicky, so is my green tint related to a busted connector, or to my general retardation (I'm thinking of some sync problem from the YUV-VGA adapter).
Thanks for any input, though it's nothing critical. I was just wondering if it was possible.

>>3909565
Have you tried swapping the yuv connectors around?

I never get them right first time when hooking up component to my BVM, despite the colour coding on plugs and sockets matching...

>>3909589
I tried with every possible combination, and I only got another one working, still a green tint, but with a massive red tint in top left corner. Pic related is best result I could achieve. Horribly distorted, green tint, but sweet scanlines.

>Finally get a Genesis and a bunch of games
>Test it out
>See this
You know I always heard that the Genesis has really fucking awful composite, but I didn't think it'd be this fucking bad. I actually felt dizzy trying to play this shit on my video monitor and I only went through Angel Island Zone so far. I don't suppose those HD Retrovision cables are due for ordering in the near future?

Step aside, dedicated Julia Child display coming on through

>>3909715
Stop being a bitch. Just play the game.

>>3909978
holy shit that's a fucking awesome sony. jealous, my panasonic can't compare.

>>3909715
The Genesis has native RGB compatibility. At least use S-Video.

>>3910149
It doesn't have S-Video natively.

>>3909715
It looks like your monitor does not have a trap filter or the trap filter has been disabled. That is causing the pixelated borders on colors. Regular consumer ntsc TVs handle composite video better.

>>3909715
thats why i play sonic on my saturn with the sonic jam compilation instead of using my genesis.

>>3910106
the tuner in it was shot, so i bypassed it with a composite input. looks cleaner, doesn't need an RF modulator.

>>3910210

>>3910219
>>3910210
radical, i've really got to learn how to do that...

>>3905417
Certainly could be the issue, might as well give it ago. If the deflection still doesn't work, don't keep it on, though. My BVM-20F1U is constructed similarly but the plastic is thick enough I doubt it could be punctured.

I don't see any damage on that board.

>>3909715
b-buh muh Sonic 1 waterfalls!
though tbqh the waterfall scene in Rocket Knight Adventures was clearly intended for composite

>>3907802
>no audio

why, they really should have slapped a cheap i2s dac on there

at least it's not resistor dividers though

>>3902465
>>3902801

Tards, or just trolls. I use my 9" PVM's over the larger PVM's I have a lot of the time. They're really crisp and bright and great fun. I actually use them for PS3 mostly, with apologies for non-retro mention.

>>3905417
Not an easy question to answer. Get the service manual from google, and start checking voltages, i guess. Has it lost ALL deflection, or only one direction? If it's one direction, that transistor/section might have gone. Remember to never leave the set on if all you're getting is a single vertical line in the middle (or a dot and nothing else) as that will burn the shit out of the horizontal section and go backwards from there.

Mitsubishi CK-2602R ca. 1988
PS1 SCPH-1001 over S-Video.
1/5

>>3908791
Ok, I'll do that, I'll just look for a Panasonic Flat Screen, but I really want it to be about 27", since I've got a big room and I play with people, also I would be somewhat far away from the screen, so the graphics would look a little more smoothier.

>>3908763
Yeah, even though I really want a Flat Screen, I think I'll end up with a curved screen in the end.

I'll watch the video, thanks a lot.

2/5

3/5

4/5

5/5

And a pic of the whole setup.

Woodgrain veneer + massive builtin speakers, what's not to love?

>>3910263
>>3910268

Is that emulation?
That seems pretty good compared to the first image. Was picture that taken directly from the TV?

>>3910280
Nice.

>>3910284
ImbNES emulator on PS1.

>>3905107
Are you using DOSBox? My Hitachi monitor on my 486 rig runs Doom doublescanned to 640x480

>>3910297
Forgot pic

>>3910280
Lovely

>>3910280
beautiful, and nice 6-switch too.

>>3910290
how's performance on that?

>>3910312
Pretty decent, actually. Perfect sound emulation I think, though my ears are pretty shit so tough call.

I didn't play a lot, but the only things I noticed were the file select box on Kirby's Adventure shaking a bit, and on SMB3, piranha plants drawn in front of pipes and mushrooms over ?-boxes.

>>3910280
muh person of color, CK 35308, 1989. favorite crt ever, hooked a 8" sub to the audio outs and it's awesome

>>3910353
I knew you would appreciate this, comfy cottage-anon.

>>3910332
very interesting. I'm pretty clueless about PSX homebrew

>>3910371
its not like theres very much of it

>>3910363
>thicc
That thing is a gem. Atari looks so cozy on top. You could prob trim a little piece of tinted plexiglass for the missing cover, I think some little L brackets would fit over those pins. May it die with you anon.

>>3909225
Considering how old these things are, the components that make up said circuits surely aren't in the best of shape either.

>>3909565
>>3909626
>a passive YUV-to-VGA adapter
All that's doing is allowing you to feed the YPbPr the PSP is outputting to the monitor, which do it having support for RGsB(RGB, Sync on Green) will display the 480p signal, but it doesn't support the color space that the PSP uses, YCbCr, only standard RGB.

The only way what you're you doing is going to work is if you get an YPbPr to RGB Transcoder to change it to the proper color space.

I just want a CRT that is in the $500 range tops, is like 19-23", and is the best quality for the money. There are so many. Please help.

>>3910439
>Willing to drop $500 on a CRT
You're beyond help, anon.

>>3910458
I'd like cheaper, but I don't know what's a normal range for these things. Please do not bully.

Anyone can recommend me a good S video cable for nintendo consoles?
Haven't been lucky at finding the original cable here in my state
I was looking for a game cube one to use with the n64 and snes

>>3910439
>best quality for the money
consider a nice consumer tv, rgb monitors are getting silly priced.

>>3910490
A dollar an inch is probably a good metric.

>>3910591
so you're probably worth 50 cents

>>3910408
Ok, thanks, I was wondering if that port on my monitor was definitely busted, so I'm kinda relieved.
I'm jut gonna play my PSP The Way It's Meant To Be Played ® then: in my bed.

>>3910490
free is also a good metric

TFW fell for the Trinitron meme.

Picked up a curved black Trinitron on C-list yesterday having been told it's the best CRTV ever made on here.

Imagine my dissapointment when I turned it on:

It has NO S-video, only a single composite input on the back (and RF but I haven't got a VCS so whatev).

There is a buzzing sound coming from the speakers that becomes unbearable as you turn up the volume.

The horizontal linearity is good but the vertical linearity is just as bad as my flat CRTV.
The focus is improved over my flat CRTV but the convergence is just as bad, maybe worse.

And my parents won't let me bring any more CRTVs into the house so I'm stuck with it.
Should have gone for Panasonic instead of listening to you Sonyggers.

>>3911427
Which model?

All those issues bar the missing inputs are fairly straightforward to fix btw.

>>3911427
How long did you research and where did you hear that any black trinitron was the best CRT ever made?

Did you know what S-video was before you picked it up? Did you bring any console to test it, ask if you could test it, or ask if it had been tested recently?

When you got there did you inspect the TV?

Also, living with parents, seemingly little research and use of "Sonyggers" leads me to believe you are underage (or very young). Pls go.

>>3911427
>literally blind picks
>complains about his blind pick
no anon, you are the meme

So I think my beloved CRT may finally be dying. It's always had a few purity issues, being a widescreen flat 26" TV. It's got this weird smearing, and I have no idea what it is. Most apparent on black backgrounds. TV has 18000 hours btw.

Can anyone elucidate what this is and whether I can fix it?

>>3911614
It needs recapping throughout.

>>3911471
>>3911492
>>3911541
It sounds like bait to me.

>>3911646
What exactly do you mean by recapping? Replacing all the capacitors?

>>3911684
Yes.

They have a lifespan of generally around 15-20 years so all CRTs will need this doing before too long. Sorry guys.

>>3911692
How strange. Could it be anything else?

Reason I ask is it was manufactured in 2002. Is it the 18,000 hours that's done that? Thank you knowledgable anon

>>3911702
18k hours is actually rather little in the scheme of things.

Electrolytic capacitors just age naturally pretty much regardless of usage but elevated temperatures will accelerate the deterioration.

>>3911702
There is no guaranteed age of caps dying. Just google for the answers this guy replying to you is doing.

In fact when you buy bulk capacitor from a vendor for replacing, for example in a turbo duo, they say "these capacitors will last xxxxhours". I have never seen a capacitor fail as fast as the vendor says. If there was such an easy way to tell the used console/crt market wouldn't be as fucked as it is, as no one would buy a console/crt over X amount of years.

>>3911692
can confirm , gg caps died already, all Gameboy and some sness game batts are dead. vcr just died 2 weeks ago, 3DO has weak sound, old sony lost chroma on s-video.
2016-2017 can go fuck itself

>>3911725
There are myriad examples of "ticking time bombs" relating to capacitor age just within the game industry.

Sega Game Gear
Atari Lynx
Pioneer Laseractive PACs

Buy any one of these where the work hasn't recently been done and you're pretty much guaranteed to have serious issues.

The silver lining is that modern components are very much improved and will likely outlast the rest of the machine assuming they're not pushed past their rated environmental specs.

>>3911471
It's a KV-27S22.

Thanks for helping me with this CRTV.

Let's start with the buzz from the speakers.
What do I need to do to fix it?

>>3912008
Here is your help.

Step 1: Find a good working & testing (and approved of) CRT on Craigslist.
Step 2: Test and purchase said new CRT
Step 3: Leave new CRT in your car (preferably with a blanket over it/in a safe place)
Step 4: Throw out broken CRT in a dumpster or abandoned lot late at night.
Step 5: Put new working/tested CRT in its place

One of 2 things will happen regarding your parents.

A. Parents say nothing because parents know nothing and still call your Sega Dreamcast a "Nintendo"

or

B. Parents say "Anon, your TV looks different than I remember." You respond "No way, parents...its the same one. You must just remember it differently because I was playing a different game on it."

Super Meroid SNES=$60.00
スーパーメトロイド= ¥500
Why?!?

>>3912504
No jews in japan

>>3912507
RARE game Goyim!

Anyone know where to find the model number on a Sony Trinitron? I believe the model I'm using is from around 2000, it has one S-video input and one component input, and I can't see any trace of the model number on the back of it.

>>3912698
Should be on a white sticker on the back of the case. If you don't see it, a previous owner likely peeled it off.

>>3908372
Impossible, they're all "Smart". Ethernet port on the back, WiFi inside that can't be turned off, multiple USB ports. Plug in, Goy.

Disregarding that, they're "Smart" so they introduce stutter and judder to your picture by fucking with the refresh rate. Hurr well this is film content being broadcast, let's just "motion interpolate" it to 60fps since it's supposed to be 24fps. But we'll pause the action every couple of seconds to catch up and avoid having to mess with the audio. SMART!

>>3912504
Capitalism
Supply and Demand
Dont be retarded

>>3912507
I hear they don't collect as much. They don't have space to hoard games so one cart will get bought and sold a dozen times, supply never really decreases they can't jack the price up.

>>3912735

>>3912735
You mean collect stuff in general or just games?

>>3912708
Cool, I found it, thanks! Appears I have a KV-32FV15, which explains the trouble I've had setting up a Wii via component cables.

>havent used my crt in over 3 months
>hook it up for some dino crisis and am greeted with this lovely warping that fixes itself and then rewarps constantly
time to comb craigslist for a replacement reeeeeee

>>3913070
Capacitors in the horizontal deflection circuit.

>>3911784
Should I recap my AV Famicom?

>>3913130
No, Famicoms don't need recaps yet. And the AV Fami was produced until 2003, who knows how new yours is.

>>3913137
>AV Fami was produced until 2003
Source?

>>3913140
http://www.webcitation.org/5nXieXX2B

http://web.archive.org/web/20140329053251/http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-to-end-famicom-and-super-famicom-production/1100-6029220/

>>3913142
Interesting. I don't have the Famicom with me now since I've just moved abroad, but is there any way to determine when it was made?

>>3913147
Not that I know of. Every single one of my original Famicoms work perfectly, even then beat-ass ones, and my AV works even better. I've never, ever heard of an AV needing a recap.

>>3913151
They might need it soon though. It's best to be prepared since the surrounding stuff can be damaged if a cap blows.

>>3913167
I don't know, the 'bad caps' we often hear about in consoles were from the post Famicom era. Many of my pre-FC consoles still work perfectly as well. The only devices I've had cap issues with are Macintosh computers from the 80s and 90s, and they're notorious for it, likely due to extreme heat, far more than a Famicom puts off. It's not a bad idea of course, but I don't think it's necessary, especially on an AV.

>>3913181
there was PC motherboard caps epidemic in the 2000s

in the AVF, there's only one big cap to look out for, and since the AVF is fairly recent, it uses higher standards anyway.

>>3913189
Yeah, wasn't some environmental regulation garbage behind that? Same deal with lead-free solder fucking everything up for the future.

>>3913202
nope, it was massive counterfeit

>>3913181
I know a lot of old Amiga computers are starting to need recapping at least.

Olympus OEV142, a re-branded Sony monitor. Should I buy it for $75? This is one of the only PVMemes I've seen on Craigslist and I'm without a Crt at the moment. I'd honestly rather just get a consumer model Trini but they're all 36"+ WEGAs an hour or more away

>>3913289
>$75 for 14"

>>3913329
That's not bad honestly for a rebranded 14M2. Takes RGB/component easy.

>>3913434
Yeah, that's what I thought looking on eBay completed listings for the Sony version. It doesn't have a remote, is that a big issue?
Also, I've never tested a CRT before buying as I've always gotten them for free or under $15, what should I look out for, what should I bring?

>>3913434
>14M2
1353MD or similar actually. Olympus **M2 would end in 3 not 2.

>>3908853
Congrats on falling for a meme. :^)

20 inch barco CVM for $50, should I take?

>>3913738
No

>>3913748
Why

>>3913738
Hey fagboi I saw that one too, paws off.

>>3913535
>>3913535

>>3913535
In the context of craigslist pickup I would just make sure it turns on and can display the OSD. If it does, buy it and perform more rigorous testing at home. For god's sake don't make a stranger wait a half-hour while you hook up Yoshi's Island and do a trial play with your face mashed against the glass

>>3913738
>barco CVM

20-inch that takes RGB/YPbPr for $50? Good deal, jump on it. May need to put 75 ohm terminators on the outputs like a BVM.

>>3908853
Congrats on falling for a meme. :^) :^)

>>3913980
So sad that a model called 3015 is only 20 inches

>>3913738
absolutely, brilliant monitors!! Barco made very, very decent CRTs. May not be as hyper-sharp as a BVM but i have 2 Barco CVS and the colours are absolutely amazing. I consider them even better then my BVMs in some regards, maybe because of black levels.

Wii running retroarch > s-video > Commodore 1084-D(?)
iPhone 6 camera :/

>>3902820
why don't you want any of the S, P, or D models?

>>3913980
Does it actually do component?

>>3914332
Australian Apple shill detected.

How long does it take for the dangerous voltage of an unplugged CRT to dissipate?

What about CRT rear projectors? How many hours until you can touch around inside them safely?

anyone know if a Bush BTV18 is good?

Can anyone identify the TV being used for this overlay? I had one as a kid and I have a passing interest in it again.

I just dug out my old Sony CRT to play some PS1 games and now the top part of the screen is "folded downwards".

Can it be fixed or am I shit out of luck?

Hey /CRT/, I visited my local medical supply store today and they had PVMs out the ass. Which one is the best model of these for vidya? Also, which is the easiest to adjust, as I'm fairly new at this and realize the control panels vary from set to set. They had multiples of each:
>SONY PVM-20L2
>SONY PVM-20M2
>SONY PVM-2030
>SONY PVM-1943MD
>SONY PVM-1953MD
>OLYMPUS OEV143
>OLYMPUS OEV203
>also they had a Mitsubishi video monitor but it only has one set of inputs so I passed it over

>>3915836
Looks like retrace lines to me.

Open it up and turn down the "screen" control knob usually mounted on the flyback transformer.

>>3915837
20L2

>>3915852
Why?

>>3915854
Because it's the best combination of spec, age and ease of adjustment of all the models you posted...

Those were your criteria right?

>>3915859
Yes I just wondered since it seems like they're all 600 line monitors

>>3915840
thanks for the reply

Been googling on how to properly open up a KV20TS30 now.

However, is the threat of electric shock as great as this anon warrants?
>>3914779

>>3915908
yes, it's really dangerous
don't open it unless you really know what you're doing
touching the wrong spot can kill you, there's parts of the tv that are at over 10000 volts

>>3915925
>>3915908
Earlier this evening I opened up my live JVC and reached past the deflection coil and anode lead to adjust the H-POS trimmer located on the bottom board.

Suffice to say I'm still alive. Just be sensible and you won't get bitten.

>>3912710
How then should I observe and study Kino in 2017?

High end plasma TV like Pioneer Kuro in 50+ inches and 1080p?
30 inch IPS computer monitor?
40 inch Mitsubishi curved CRT and burned DVDs?
Lying in bed with a PSVita?
On the go with a fingerprint smudged tablet (normie device)?

>>3915929
so, if you don't know what any of those things are leave the inside of the TV alone

>>3915908
When it comes to CRTs, the only real threat of electric shock comes from inside the tube, and the flyback transformer.

You can identify the things you're not supposed to touch by looking at the rear of the glass tube and finding a rubber nipple with a wire.

This is the high voltage feed into the monitor. The wire leads to the flyback transformer.

Do not touch them.
If you cannot prevent yourself from touching them, then make a discharging wand with a big flathead screwdriver with a THICK rubber handle, a thick gauge wire, a 10k ohm resistor, and a reliable ground (third plug in the US)

Unplug the TV overnight, then wire the resistor to the insulated screwdriver in series to ground using the thick gauge wire, then carefully slip the screwdriver under the rubber nipple until it touches the HV lead and discharges it to ground.

You should be safe to remove the nipple and the flyback transformer board now.

Don't fuck with the neck of the CRT, it's delicate and if it breaks, the screen with implode because vacuum.

>>3915953
hacked smart tv running linux

>>3915925
It's not THAT dangerous.
The wattage of a CRT is less than a stun gun, and it's only a single shock.

That said, it CAN stop your heart, just like a stun gun.

Don't touch the nipple or the flyback transformer.

If you must, use a heavily insulated screwdriver with a 10k ohm resistor going to ground.

>>3915908
It's not that dangerous.
As long as you don't go poking around HV stuff bare handed, you should be fine. If I can spend a few hours making adjustments on a running CRT projector without getting zapped, anyone should be able to.

Besides, even if you do git bitten by flyback voltage, you'll be fine. I have before, hurts like a bitch and your arm is a bit numb, but you live. My stepdad worked as a TV repair guy back in the 90's, and his coworkers got shocked more times than he can count.

>>3913181
Electrolytic capacitors are chemical components. They degrade with age, use, and heat.

It's no different from a battery. The chemistry in them changes over time, and they need to be replaced before the reaction causes them to breach because the chemicals in them are corrosive to copper.

>>3915964
I'd recommend finding out what they are and educating yourself about any potential risks. Then you can do what you need to do in safety and stop being a little puss ;-)

Btw by far the biggest danger comes from the large power supply capacitors. The anode will hurt of course but you'd be worthy of a darwin award if it managed to end you.

>>3915982
That's the big D battery looking thing, right? Looked dangerous, so I didn't touch that.

Regards the guy from last thread opening and dusting a CRT for the first time.

>>3915837
This anon again, what's the max price you guys would pay for each of these models if at all?

>>3914458
Heh.
This shit always happens with iPhones, idk why I bother.

This probably sounds like a dumb fucking question, but is an 8 inch crt adequate for games if you plan to play at your desk?

I've been thinking about getting a small monitor because I don't have the space for a bigger TV.

>>3916092
No

http://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Quality-Sega-Saturn-Svideo-s-video-AV-Cable-for-PAL-NTSC-U-USA-NTSC-J-JP/172608684638?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3D8b1874d288c64b20afebdfbf93c4a2fa%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D162115045866

Anybody have any experience with these? How do they compare to the official cables?

>>3901749
what size is the bigger one? Looks like the perfect size for me to buy.

>>3910280

>green label

REEEEEEEEEEE

Will this be ok to play ps1 and nes games on? In case it's too small to read, it says Sharp component-in mts. I know next to nothing about this sort of stuff, so if you need more info let me know and I'll take a photo of the back. It's got to be better than the 52inch LCD I was using, right?

Just how good are Sony PVM's, are they jaggy pixelated like emulators with no filters or do they look as good as a GBA screen but for consoles?

I'm deciding on getting one but I'm unsure of which version to get and how much I should invest without being scammed out cause I've seen prices in the hundreds but I've heard people got theirs for under 50. Preferably I'd like the size to not be too big or too small (somewhere around like a 12 inch). I'd like the versions that have the nobs that adjust the picture too.

Finally. I've noticed that there aren't any RCA ports on any Sony PVM's. Are there any alternate methods to allow N64 to be played on one as well?

Any insight to enlighten me on these machines is much appreciated.

>>3916490
>Just how good are Sony PVM's, are they jaggy pixelated like emulators with no filters or do they look as good as a GBA screen but for consoles?

i think you should see a CRT in action at least once before buying one. maybe start with a free one.

>>3916490

I got my 20" for $1 and my 14" for $20, but this was before they became popular. I switched from a cheap no-name brand CRT to a consumer Trinitron and then to PVMs, and I can safely say that they're the best screens that I've played on. I've heard some people complain about them being too sharp/jaggy, but I've never had a problem. The picture is still pretty soft if you're using composite, anyway, assuming that you keep the sharpness turned all the way down like I do.

You'll need to get BNC to RCA adapters, which are inexpensive. You should use s-video when you can, though.

>>3916514
So apparently there are Trinitron PVM's? I know about PVM and Trinitron but what's a Trinitron PVM? Is it just the full name for a PVM, a Trinitron, or something else.

What kind of speakers do you guys use with your PVMs?

>>3916525

It's a Sony PVM that uses their Trinitron technology. I'm fairly certain that all Sony PVMs are Trinitrons, but I could be wrong. It's the most common PVM you'll find.

>>3915953
>How then should I observe and study Kino in 2017?

I watch all of my movies that aren't on VHS on a 24" LED monitor. It's a cheap one, too. I almost regret buying it because of how bad the "light leak" is. It's still better than a "smart TV," though.

so does anyone know how in the fuck to change up settings on this bitch?

Right now I've got it hooked up via composite only because it'd be too much of a hassle to undo my component cables. (no s-video unfortunately).

I really can't find anything on this monitor. It gave me a dogshit picture and I thought it was fucked before I put on the capacitors.

I can use the 345 numbers to magically pop into another menu and from there I can adjust things, but none of it makes sense. It's alien compared to a Sony. And I don't want to save any of the settings as I'm scared I may just bust the tube as i've heard horror stories where people save a setting and their whole screen shrinks to a pixel.

>>3916672
as you can see the screen needs some adjusting. Also this thing generates heat like no other it's uncanny. I noticed my BVM would generate some heat but nothing like this set. Also powering on it does some scary stuff.

>>3915965
>then carefully slip the screwdriver under the rubber nipple until it touches the HV lead and discharges it to ground.
If you're going to do this, do it twice just to be sure you've actually discharged it. And obviously, don't make yourself an alternate path to ground(the chassis) when you do this. Rule of thumb when messing around inside (live/non-discharged) CRTs is to keep one hand in your pocket.

>>3916092
8'' pro sets make nice bench tests monitors, and 8'' consumer sets can make for nice curiosities, but if you actually plan on playing a decent amount on it, I wouldn't go smaller than ~13/14''.

>>3916490
>or do they look as good as a GBA screen but for consoles?
Why not both?

You only get to "emulator simulation" tier once the TVL count of the screen gets to 900 or so(and even then, it's not the same) which is reserved only for BVMs and the like, the step above PVMs.

The days of finding $50 PVMs are gone for the most part, unless you get lucky or buy in bulk. A decent 14'' model shouldn't be too difficult to find under $150 if not $100.

>RCA ports
RCA aren't secure, so you're not going to find them used on pro gear for the most part. BNC is used instead. A simple adapter is all that's needed
I would suggest reading around first before buying on however, since it's sort of a waste if you're just going to stick to composite video.

>>3916525
>>3916543
The small black and white ones I don't have masks to my knowledge, so those aren't Trinitron or Shadowmask.

>>3916675
Sort of looks like it's being run unterminated, so everything looks overblown.

Where you have your cables connected, is there a little switch next to it with something like "75 - High Z" or something similar shown? It should be set to to 75 unless you're using the output.

I would suggest searching out a manual of some sort if you really want to dig into the menu. You may be able to get some context from what various settings are labeled, if they're labeled.

>>3916760
All I really want to do is get the picture to fit the screen. I just don't know what it would be labeled under. Changing through some setting I'll get "sad, size scan," and other words all in one setting. It doesn't make much sense

Don't know where to find the manual but I'm searching

>>3916672
>>3916760
yea in my original post I meant to say terminator but said capacitor because I'm an idiot. But I did flip that switch like you suggested. The picture was so incredibly bright before I put on the terminators.

I really can't find any sort of manual for any barco monitor aside from LCD's and projectors. I went in and fiddled around. Eventually I got to a menu where I could change some stuff. It's weird for something like width I can't make it larger than 55(even though that doesn't fill the screen) but other settings can go into 60 or 70, not sure what the problem is there. Anyway mostly just played with width and height

Interestingly some settings like EWP have a specific number like 28 but if I change that value I'm not able to attain it again and have to wipe the change.

Anyway, I'll post some pics. Looks better in person but still soft and fuzzy. Need to get some extra component cables so I can run my wii into it and see how component looks.

>>3916910
as you can see there's still space on the sides that needs to be filled, and this is after I went into the settings and switched overscan on just to fill up more screen.

>>3916912
Was still messing around with the colors on this pic, the hue was too low i think. Won't be sure until I can get the 240p test suite running on the set.

>>3916913
Here are the color settings I settled on for now.

Noob here, if I buy a 15khz only PVM it can't display 480p right? Only the L5s can do that.
So if I hook up my PS2, GameCube, Xbox, etc with component cables via the RGB/YpBpR jacks what will output, 480i via YpBpR? Or will I just get 240p composite?

>>3917039
>PS2, GameCube
480i or 240p, depending on the game; Mainly 480i with 240p being reserved for ports and collections/PS1 mode on the PS2.

>Xbox
480i, can't do 240p.

Anyone here have experience with a Toshiba 36ZP48P?

>>3917043
The Xbox supports RGB right? Does it make any difference?

>>3917043
So is the 240p YpBpR signal of a PS2 in PS1 mode going to look worse than S-video/RGB on a PS1 itself?

Can some one explain to me the difference between composite sync and sync on composite? Does the Wii output composite sync or sync on composite?

Hey guys, I posted yesterday about my visit to the medical supply place. I went back again and the sales manager wasn't in so I couldn't buy anything, but the office woman let me have free roam of the building.
I found PVMs nestled in among distant aisles and took a stock list of what they ended up having, way more than the 10 I looked at yesterday:
>4x 20L2MDs, all with different expansion cards
>3x 20M2MDs
>4x 14M2MDs
>2x Olympus OEV203s
>1x Olympus OEV143
>1x Olympus OEV142
>10x 1953MDs
>2x 1943MDs
>3x 2030s
>1x 8040
1x TrinitronEL, the LCD ones
>1x Mitsubishi
>a bunch of burned in HPs
>a couple of weird off-brands
>Dell branded Trinitron computer monitor
>tons of old Apple monitors

I still have no idea what they're asking for these, but one of the guys I spoke to basically mentioned how they're worthless shit that's still sitting because it would cost too much to dispose of them. So hopefully they're cheap because I'd love to buy more than one, especially that cute 8".

>>3917142
Sync on Composite Video is pretty self-explanatory - you input composite video and the monitor ignores the picture information, just using the sync pulse.

Composite Sync is just the sync pulse on its own with no picture information. This means less chance of interference.

You also have Sync on Luma which is similar to Sync on Composite Video but omits the Chrominance (Colour) information but keeps Luminance (Monochrome Brightness). This is somewhere between the above two.

If you use an LM1881 Sync Extractor circuit on a Composite Video signal you end up with Composite Sync. You can also split Composite Sync into its Horizontal and Vertical components - this is used for VGA signals.

Does Sony PVM's allow RF cables or do I need a converter for one? I'm a noob at the technical stuff and just want a good picture for my games thinking that the PVM itself would do the job.

>>3917512
No they're monitors so have no RF tuning whatsoever.

>>3917512
>buying a pro level monitor for the absolute worst video output in existence
You haven't got to mod your consoles for RGB or anything, but at least get S-Video cables going in there!

>>3917346
dang. I hope you manage to snag some.

>>3917567
I said RF cause that's what I used as a kid. Haven't bought RGB but was planning to if that's what I need. Don't you need a converter still?

>>3917595
Well for RGB generally you'll need a SCART to RCA breakout cable. And to use any standard style video cable you'll need RCA to BNC adaptors which are very cheap. The cheapest route is to use any existing RCA style cables you've got with adaptors but if you haven't got any, look for S-Video cables.

>>3917608
how would I use scart cables on the Sony PVM? I don't see any port for one unless I need something else.

I'm looking at the very last Sony CRT sitting here for $9.99 but it's just too big and I'm 95% positive it upscales SD