/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3883846
cool, I like OG SC

>>3883846

>>3883850

>>>/v/

Not a fan of the new fonts and portraits but I'm excited for the upcoming nostalgia trip.

>>3883997
hello newfriend.

>>3883997
>a rerelease of a 1998 game with the gameplay intact is not /vr/

>>3884025
the original is still being patched, sold (well, not anymore now it's going free) and has official online-support

how's that retro?

>>3884049

Are they doing this to Diablo 2?

>>3883846
I have absolutely no need for this but like a dipshit I'll probably get it anyway.

>>3884015
>remakes of retro games are retro
NEW
E
W

>>3884073
>Remake

Not a remake, dipshit.

There's a difference between a remake and a remaster.

>>3883854

>>3883846
the autists on /vg/ are going to lose it

I recently started using ChaosLauncher and this remake seems like a pretty cool alternative.

It does feel a bit odd now that the game will finally have widescreen support though. The game looks very similar to SC2 when you have can see so much on the screen. Cool either way though.

>>3883846
itt: newfags fighting newfags

Can't wait to see rtsfag bitching anyway.

>>3884143
what did you expect? starcraft is from 98 only newfags would bother playing such modern game

>>3884049
Thats not how it works.

>>3883846
Whoa, they actually sourced their sprites from the original old 3ds Max files that were based on, that's great.

>>3884368

Do you think they saved the original models? Or did they just make very good remakes?

>>3884368
Any more of pics like this? Original Starcraft designs were GOAT

>>3884383
>>3884378
It's still hard to tell, but I don't see why not. They look faithful enough, either way, but I'm afraid they're not the same models as the ones used for cinematics. For a long time I thought the cinematic models and the gameplay models were the same.

Early promo renders from 1996.

1997.

DO YOU LIKE BUYING THE SAME SHIT TWICE?

WELL YOU'RE IN LUCK, BECAUSE WE JUST SO HAPPEN TO LIKE GETTING PAID TWICE FOR THE SAME SHIT.

AND AT ONLY HALF THE EFFORT.

>>3884432

>Game is getting full support 20 years after release
>find a reason to complain

>>3884387
Keep in mind that cutscenes show a closer view of the models and thus need more detail

The game is twenty years old. and
> implying people still pay for Starcraft 1 in the year of our Lord two-thousand and seventeen

Who cares? Blizzard is so anti-consumerist that it's driven off a good chunk of its traditional fanbase. I hope the thing crashes and burns.

>>3884503
They're actually making the original version free to play apparently.

>>3883846
>>3884006


everyone, if you don't like the new models and stuff like that, the original game is getting a patch on the 30th with fixed support for windows 7/8/10. The HD clients can play against normal BW owning players. The game is going to be free on the 30th for everyone.

>>3883846
Zoom is cool. The graphics, not so much.

Wonder if they'll ever remake or remaster wc1 and 2?

>2017 release
>Still can't select more than 12 units

>>3884796
>2017
>not realizing SC is a massive esport and such a change would destroy every existing strategy

>>3884808
IMHO SC 1 is damn near perfect. I just wish SCVs could auto repair and hopefully there will be a mod

>>3884796

You don't need to select more than 12 units if you're not shit.

>>3884861
Yee some of this.
Like setting a waypoint on ressources and the probe gathers instead of just staying there.

>>3884049
by this logic the NES is no longer /vr/ because the Classic Mini exists

come on now

>>3884787
2, maybe. Can't really imagine them doing 1. And besides, It'd be more likely they'd do 3 over both of them, if they do decide to remaster a wc.

>>3885209
Also we can't talk about Doom because of all the WADs and source ports that have been worked on since 2002

They go to great lengths to make it seem like all these people around the world have already played the remaster and that it's already out. That's messed up. I was about to buy it, but now I see it isn't even out yet. I am sufficiently asspained by this manipulative behavior that I will now refrain from ever buying this game. I don't think Blizzard realizes how dumb it is to cocktease their original high IQ fanbase who went on to become successful businessmen and have neither the time nor the inclination to deal with this kind of petulant emotional abuse. Marketing techniques relying on the building of anticipation where factual information takes a backseat to hype only works on women, children, and neckbeard manchild faggot Pokemon fans. High IQ strategic insight types who grew up on multiplayer RTS will NOT tolerate this MUH HYPE bullshit. We do not have time for this. Seriously dumb move.

>>3884398
Old hydra is better than the remodel they are trying to push. The face and jaw look really creepy in the classic one.

>>3885773
dumb frogposter

>>3885773
But your busy handling your autism. No time to run a business no?

>one of the most -if not the best- praised RTS ever made
>not a single community has taken the time to made a patch to increase the resolution

>Meanwhile people have been playing AOE2 with multimonitor, HD resolution and many other upgrades for free since around 2007

is my idea, or Starcraft community are a bunch of lazy bastards? how can people still deal with late 90's resolutions for a RTS in 2017?

I'm not sure how to feel about this.

On one hand it's good that measures like this breathe new life into the franchise, and help bring new people in.

On the other, the remaster of the assets doesn't seem to translate very well from a 90s art style, and it looks and feels like a shitty free to play browser game now.

I think their resources would probably be better spent on the continuation of the franchise elsewhere, either a sc3 or the sc ghost spin-off.

>>3886012
THere is a mod for SC2 called mass recall which is a total conversion of SC1. Its a complete pain in the ass to get working and I dont even think it works after a few updates ago.

I kinda wish the remaster was nt 2D but you get better image fidelity and things are easier to identify. Thats one of the major flaws with SC2 imho.

>>3886012
This is like whining about the graphics in chess. Commit suicide.

>>3886012
It's possible this is what the original CG looked like. Any grittiness from the original graphics is from the conversion to 256 colors

>>3886269
>not complaining about the graphics of life

>>3883846
I'm apprehensive about the remaster because the larger field of view and whatnot might affect gameplay. But I'm exited about playing brood war online on the fish (now official?) server in the upcoming few months since I might be able to play against fellow noobs due to the recent popularity.

>>3884782
Oh shit, can I get a source on that date?

>>3884796
>Complaining about only 12 units being selected
Have I got the StarCraft for you

>>3886784
They won't allow it to affect gameplay, it'll be for campaign and UMS.

When I heard about it I was excited. But then I read about the >remade voice lines
Fucking dropped.

>>3883846
>can't make a good game
>re-release something that was successful in the past

WHEN WILL IT STOP

>>3885856
>is my idea, or Starcraft community are a bunch of lazy bastards?

No, there simply isn't one.
People stopped playing Starcraft by the time AoE2 and such rolled around. Map makers (you know, the folks who made a lot of custom tools to push the editor further) left the game with Warcraft 3.
Koreans played the game mainly in net cafes, they didn't own the game, those few who did were fine with how it was.

Basically, people are heavily overstating the game's popularity. It is a great, famous game... but unlike today (), games came and went naturally, they didn't sit on your 1GiB HDD for half a decade because you couldn't be assed to hit the uninstall button.

>>3886970
underage: the post
I remember battle.net for BW still being very active around 2007 with tons of normal and custom games.

>>3885856
changing resolution would be considered cheating in SC same as Diablo 2 online

Thanks for beta testing, /vr/.

Can I play this without joining battlenet?

>>3884025
>>3884049
It's not even a re-release. It's an update.
It's being marketed as a re-release, but it is literally just a patch for the original game to update it to work better on modern systems and apply new graphics, among other things.

>>3883846
Nice, but I do prefer SC64

>>3887756
Why?

>>3887762
Because he's handicapped most likely. They had to make a new mission set because the old ones are too hard.

>>3887810
The only change in SC64's missions is that there are collectibles you can find to enable cheats

>>3885856
Theres been a high res patch for years. I played through the game with it twice.

>>3888267
Isn't there like some N64 exclusive mission where you de-infest Stukov or something?

>>3885795
>>3885840
>>>/v/

>>3883846
The game cant come soon enough.

>>3887762
because he is a retarded nintendomon

>>3886970
>People stopped playing Starcraft by the time AoE2 and such rolled around.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHHAH

>>3884368
at least try, kiddo

>>3886970
>People stopped playing Starcraft

go back to /hm/

>>3888293
Resurrection IV I think, I never got to play it.

>>3888272

>Theres been a high res patch for years

well post it then, because i have been looking for ages and no news about it

>>3888592

Uh, I don't think you understand the function of /hm/, Anon

I think you meant to direct that other anon back to /v/

>>3888272
hires as in maximum screen-resolution
or hires as in sprite-resolution?

>>3888732
>/hm/ wasn't the Humanities board

Boy was I surprised.

>>3884454
also
>Game is free
>Only the optional updated graphics costs money
>DO YOU LIKE BUYING THE SAME SHIT TWICE?

>>3886970
>such autism

Nigga, everyone still plays SCBW, AOE 2/HD and even TA

no one had let, they just got older and cranky.

Also they suffered the worst... They got maried and had children.

>>3883846
Will they fix the retarded 12 unit selection limit?

>>3889283

its easy to change that, SWGB and AOE2 always had that, they simply weren't activated due to the memory and CPU limit back then

>>3889283
That's a design decision so no.

>>3889292
Bullshit. There's no good reason other than limited UI space (which becomes a non-issue here) that limited everything from marines to ultralisks to 12.

>>3888524
At least try.. to what?

>>3886792
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/520460-starcraft-v118a-patch-notes-preparation-for-scr

>>3887762
he was joking m8. The N64 Version is a joke.

>>3889315
It was a conscious design decision in SC and WC3 and is here to stay. If you don't lile it play C&C where you can deathball as much as you like.

>>3889316
To deliver good resolution. you posted the thumbnail from blizzard's old website, but the actual full image.

>>3889283
it's a pleb-filter.
if you need the limit to be higher, you're doing it wrong.

>>3889463
It's the one defending inane decisions by those in charge who is the pleb.

Always been that way.

>>3889469
there's still sc2 for you to play if you hate that limit so much.

>>3888524
Is that 100% confirmed? For all the sprites?
Because that's actually very cool.

>>3883846
i'm not particularly a fan of some of the new sprites but if they're intent on making it playable on modern systems for the already excellent games, i'm not complaining

>>3890565
Good news! The new sprites are completely optional!

>>3889469
It's designed to make deathballing harder. Stick to C&C where you just mass tanks if you don't like it.

>>3884796
fuck off SC2 faggot

>>3883846
price?

>>3886970
Where do you live? In mars?

>>3891569
He lives in fantasy land like most /vr/ kiddies with his revisionist history.

>>3891510
The base game is being made free tomorrow, and Remastered is DLC for it, but we don't know the price yet as it's coming this Summer.

PTR Patch is up.
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/starcraft/topic/20753915707

;_;

>>3883846
if I didn't know what the hell I was looking at back then, I sure as hell do now. the new sprites are looking SEX-E

New UI
https://imgur.com/a/cs4Fm

>>3891946
>Popular games

I can't help but think people at Activision are braindead.
They fucked it up in Starcraft 2, people complained, they only listened in half a decade later. Dota 2 gets it, does the same fucking thing and crashes and burns. People ask them NOT to do it for this... and they do.

>>3892184
How the fuck does Popular Games even work?

>>3892184
>>3892196
It's just a list of maps being used at the moment

>>3892203
That's dumb.
What is even the point?

>>3888293
Yes. Heart of the Swarm brings up part of the mission as canonical, where Stukov was at once point de-infested then re-infested. Which is pretty stupid.

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Resurrection_IV

>>3892213
I believe it was also written into one of the novels, which also all turned out canon in SCII.

>>3892213
>plot consistency
>starcraft 2
kek

>>3891757
Seems to be harder to trigger the gag lines you hear when you repeatedly click on a unit

>>3892392
This picture is stupid.
There is a huge gap between Starcraft 1 events and Starcraft 2.
Also, Raynor became alcoholic. When you mix love and alcohol, it's perfectly normal to have this love/hate situation.

Are higher resolutions going to make everything tiny and awkward to look at? This is a serious problem for me when playing AoE 2 HD.

>>3892663
You'll be able to zoom in and out.

>>3886970
>AoE2 being anywhere as popular or active as Brood War
>a game that's still active and played by fucking Koreans till this day
next, you're gonna say Quake is dead and buried without a community to support it because nobody played it after Counter-Strike got popular

This seems like a good enough place to ask...

I tried installing Brood War on my Win 7 box. Fought with the bastard to get the colours to look right, so that's not my problem no more.
The issue I'm having, however, is that the game is stretched to the point where I lose about an inch of the edge beyond my screen. So I can't see how many minerals I have.

Just wondering if there's any fix that doesn't require me to use a special launcher beyond the basic batch file that is killing/restarting explorer.exe.

>>3892663
No. They specifically addressed this issue.

>>3887762
You can select 16 units!!!! Kek, take that PC "12-only" retards.

>>3892392
>woman you met once is turned into a literal monster
>she murders millions of people
>vow to kill her
>OOPS I LOVE HER, SHE WAS JUST UNDER MIND CONTROL
>go to the trouble of turning her human
>Millions die for the cause
>OOPS SHE WILLINGLY WENT BACK TO THE DARK SIDE BUD ID OK SHE IS JUST PERTENDING TO BE BAD NOW

Objectively retarded writing

>>3892797
No one cares about Duran either.

>>3892695
Just wait for the patch

>>3892797
>OOPS I LOVE HER, SHE WAS JUST UNDER MIND CONTROL
The worst part about this was that Brood War made it very clear that she wasn't.

>>3892392
I miss blizzard's old writing so badly.
Diablo 1 and 2 had a nice atmosphere to them
In diablo 3 the villains sound like they come out of a Saturday morning cartoon.

Starcraft 2 had NuRaynor ,Prince anime and prophecies.

Warcraft 1 and 2 had the orcs as this fearsome demonworshipping horde. WoW/War3 turned them into Dindus.

Lets not forget about CORRUPTION CORRUPTION CORRUPTION

What happened?

>>3893776
they came down with a bad case of fuck off frog poster

>>3893418
didn't she practically became the new overmind after OG SC

>>3884796
But the selection limit has a huge influence on how the game is played. It would be a completely different game played completely differently and you would have to re-balance it entirely.

>>3894414

>>3894414
Yes, and then she killed all the zerg and removed herself from power to start off Starcraft 2.

Next up, she got de-infested and infested (but not corrupted!) again in Starcraft 2, ended up merging with a giant flying space squid Xel'Naga to become one herself and super-sayaned off to a bright future.

For fuck's sake, even a Final Fantasy writer would just look at that script and throw it in the bin thinking he's had enough sake for today.

>>3888713

see, i knew it was bullshit, theres no patch you lying fuck

>>3888272

Are you going to stand for this, /vr/?
>>>/v/372430853
>>>/v/372430935
>>>/v/372431262

>>3895085
starcraft isn't retro, so pff.

>>3895085
Filthy, dumb, crossboard scum.

>>3893776
>Diablo 1 and 2 had a nice atmosphere to them

>Diablo 2
>atmosphere
pls

>>3895134
>starcraft isn't retro

>>3895152
Know any other "retro"-game which got official updates in 2017?
No?
Exactly.

>>3895198
That still doesn't make Starcraft suddenly not retro, bud.

>>3895198
Turok 2
Planescape Torment

>>3895198
Worms Armageddon got updates all the way to 2013, so get raped by a paki.

>>3895198
NES Donkey Kong got an update in like 2012. StarCraft created 'esports' as we know them and I hate it for that, but it's from before 1999, bro.

>>3895198
>patching a game means it's current gen regardless of how long ago it was released
This is what /vr/ actually believes.

>>3895289
They also believe dreamcast is retro but ps2 isnt. I bet in 3 years /vr/ gonna still scream and say ps2 isn't retro.

>>3895281
>StarCraft created 'esports' as we know them

Naw, Quake did it first.

>>3895572
I said the same time about three years ago myself.

>>3895281
>Videogames are sports
>They aren't regulated like sports. At all.
?????????

Why would they not remaster the subjectively better Warcraft 2. It was Blizzard's claim to fame, and put them on the map with the big boys.

>>3885785
agreed, I miss bug zerg too

>>3892797
Damn that looks tasty.

>>3896338
Makes me curious now if anyone is still playing Warcraft 2 on Bnet.

>>3883846
Not3D/10

>>3896338
Starcraft is basically a much more developed and complex WC2. Hell I even liked the first Age of Empires better than WC2.

Why has no one in this thread mentioned that it's the same game right down to the fact that replays from 1.16 will work in the "remaster"

They literally changed nothingbbut the graphics. Dragoons still move weird. Mutas stack. Reaver scarabs don't always find a target. All the things you love and hate about brood war.

>>3896667
Except it has been mentioned.

>>3896243
and even then people were already getting together to do deathmatch in doom

Think they bothered trying to fix some of the bad pathing? I could see people bitching about that actually.

>>3896771
bad pathing is literally part of the balance

>>3896802
Now why the fuck didn't they make the Dragoons look like this in Remastered

>>3891898
>tfw there will NEVER be a Warcraft IV

I don't want to play online MMORPGs, damnit.

>>3896869
Would you even want one at this point with how badly WoW has fucked with the universe and NeoBlizzard's writing?

>>3896903

only if they make War 4 in another universe where wow didn't happened

>>3894414
She also did what she wanted to do even under the Overmind since the Overmind wanted the rest of the brood to learn from her own tenacity.

The game looks weird, specially in the first screenshot.
I'm not a fan of those modern Blizzard painted textures.

>>3896594
Warcraft II is more of a classic I think though The music is way better. and so is the story. Plus it's before the Orcs were cancer.

Though Mostly nostaliga drives that. I remember playing it all day when I was like 4, making custom maps on the editor and playing them against an AI

>>3896338
Because SC is way better

>>3896771
SC is delicate as shit right now, pathing is a big part of the balancing. It's what allows the myriad of playstyles to creep up as units absolutely skyrocket in efficiency in every single regard from moving from A to B, to doing combat, when babysat.

Also keeps units that are flat out broken on paper, such as the dragoon, from being overpowered.

>>3898807
>Dragoon
>overpowered

>>3896971
>The music is way better
Terran music > WC2 music > Zerg > Protoss

I was so on board with this until I saw the new portraits. And re-recorded audio? EWW

>>3891684
Oh look, its the revisionist-history-fag again

>>3899880
Oh look, its the kid that wasn't even born when SC came out.

>>3884057
I came.

>>3899880
>>3899935
Oh look, a couple of faggots.

Starcraft!

At first glance I thought it was that Warcraft 3 mod that never got finished

>Hear about 1.18
>Oh neat, they added a in-game timer and APM counter
>Custom hotkeys is kinda cool I guess, I'm too used to old system
>Why the hell does everything move weird now, even the mouse seems off
>New text is kinda cool I guess?

>Everyone only seems to give a shit about the rainbow colors issue on battle.net forums
Am I the only person who downloaded and used the 1.17 update? Because that shit fixed the rainbow colors issue, and I think it also added a CPU throttle checkbox in options. Currently works better for me on 7 and 10 than 1.18.

>>3884378
They remade the models.

>>3904051
any proof of that?

>>3905109
Try reading some interviews.
And not being blind.

>>3900421
Oh look, its a anon looking at other anons that are looking at other anons.

openra is better than starcraft

>>3909459
You can't argue about the value to money ratio but it's got its issues.
The singleplayer is absolute ass and was a million times better in the original.

>>3909506
The singleplayer in the originals was awesome, but openra is all about multiplayer, something that was ass with westwood chat.

>>3909514
Westwood games had much bigger issues than chat.
OpenRA only use the basic game structure for all three of the games, they're different games than the stuff they're remaking for all intents and purposes.

>>3909540
The fact that they are different and improved upon is what makes it better, balanced, and replayable.

>>3883846

korean here

blizzard fuck it up diablo 3 , star craft 2

everything look like WoW

this company dead when dawn of a new millennium

>>3884432
Id rather buy 5 times Diablo 2 and Starcraft Broodwar than 1 time Diablo 3, CoD or any other crapshit.

>>3908943
>>3899935
>>3899880

/vr/ is the best

>>3896918

I wish that would be true.
If WC4 is out it will have a shit story like SC2 and it would draw Starcraft 2 players to Warcraft 4, which would be bad for Blizzard.
As long as WoW exists they cant add a story mode for WC4 I guess.

I think the golden Blizzard ages are over. D3 is a massive fail and losing players to indiegames, Hots is bullshit and way too late, World of Warcraft is screwd up after wotlk if not before and i cant believe people still play it.
All these games look so similiar in graphic/style. Hots/SC2/D3/WoW.

Overwatch is the only game I consider fun at the moment but thats something different.
But hell back then every Blizz game was gold.

But i am happy they rework D2 and Starcraft Broodwar it could all be worse.

>>3895147
? D2 had atmosphere. Just listen the beautiful soundtrack and tell me your not instantly reminded of the specific place.
I also always remember staying on the top of mount arreat looking down to the tundra.

off topic what are these tracks ? are they from a retrogame?
https://youtu.be/tMfKuy9wM6c

does it have a campaign editor? the same as the original? or an improved version a la warIII?

>>3912142
Remastered is an HD DLC. No game mechanics are being changed, and it's the same original client.

Would you let Kerrigan tentacle-rape you?

>>3884432
WELL, its like they are gonna charge the today's AAA price of $50, are they? if its gonna be like AoE2 it will be $15 if im not mistaken

>>3884590
>anti-consumerist that it's driven off a good chunk of its traditional fanbas
did you mean, "anti-patronizing" / too pro-consumerist ?

>>3885856
>not a single community has taken the time to made a patch

>>3885856
>Meanwhile people have been playing AOE2 with multimonitor, HD
not thanks to microsoft, they closed zone cdrom games shortly after AoE3 release to kill aoe2, and turned their backs.

now regarding community patch, blizz kept supporting sc1 tournaments and online play service while microsoft tried to shut us down... in the end there was a huge following on both RTS, and its not like the aoe2 "community" did anything, is was just a handful of folks, pure luck, if they were sc1 players instead what would have happened?.... or perhaps sc1 was just too hard to hack, or just lacked a couple capable and motivaded individuals, out or sheer bad luck.

>>3883846

am i the only one that hates the new graphics? they make it look more similar to starcraft 2. too polished and toy-like. the gritty look is what makes SC:BW great.

>>3895198
Unreal Tournament

>>3896594
>basically a much more developed and complex WC2

They were completely different. That and the races played COMPLETELY different from each other. The only real difference in WC2 races are ogre mages vs priests. And death knight vs mage.

How many of you have even played Brood War in your life? Probably 0. If you didn't play Brood War before 1999, you're a casual baby scrub.

>>3916576
>>not a single community has taken the time to made a patch
What are the launchers? What is Shield Battery? People have put effort into it, but Blizzard just made all of them pointless.

>>3920014
>tripfag calling others scrubs
that's rich

>>3920085
I as B+ average/A- max on iCCup faggot.

>>3920143
>implying anyone even cares
No one is impressed.

>>3920143
>iCCup
If you aren't ranked on Fish, then your rank is meaningless. Everyone already knows this. You might as well have said "I've got a 60% win ratio on battle.net!"

Anyone following the current Afreeca Starleague? It's looking like the current meta for Zerg on Camelot is to go for a fast double expand. Working pretty well too, Zerg went 2-0 against Protoss in the latest round. It was looking like Zerg was gonna be the race getting screwed on Camelot, but this new strategy makes me think Protoss might be having problems. Granted, it was Snow and Free going up against EFFORT, but still looking good for Zerg.

Kinda wish they weren't using the new map for the first rounds of the matchups, I honestly thought Fighting Spirit or Circuit Breaker would be a better choice.

Will the COnfederate flag return?

>>3920287
for one that's not the CSA flag

>>3920202

They need to introduce new maps to keep it dynamic. perfect balance would mean using the same 1 map that has been perfectly analyzed. However, that's boring. To keep things interesting, they introduce new maps into each tourney.

>>3921745
I understand that, it's just I feel they should go for a balanced map for the first round. Otherwise they are just giving Zerg players an advantage in making it to R8. Get seeded with a Zerg player for first round? Might as well have not even qualified then. That's the problem.

>>3920202

Are they using the latest patch version of the game? The patch came out a few weeks ago.

DId it change the game's gameplay at all? I think it changed Goons movement a bit.

>>3921765
Nope, still using 1.16 from what I see.

When 1.18 first came out, it seemed to bork the mouse. Lotta pros were complaining that all movement and controls were off due to it. The last two patches seem to have made things back to normal, but I'm not pro enough to notice a difference between 1.16 and the latest 1.18.

I've been hearing about the Dragoon fix, but I don't micro Dragoons well enough to recognize the difference when I see it. I have yet to see the Valk fix and how it differs from 1.16 myself.