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>>3864209

Have you ever checked out the mods? Urban Chaos is godlike, I don't wanna know how much hours I wasted on this but it was worth it.

>>3864209
I always like getting flo and buns

Does it work on W10 yet? wined3d dll from the forums crashes all the time for me.

>>3864241
i have played 1.13 but i like the original game much better. urban chaos looks awesome, ill try that after i do my runthrough of ja2 and UB

>>3865016
I'm playing on win10 together with the 1.13 patch and it works just fine. The only problem I have is the screen resolution. I have a 1920x1200 monitor and everything is so fucking tiny my eyes start to ache.

>>3865101
Are you playing "stable" or current version? Any mods on top of 1.13?

The 1.13 patch/mod has a multiplayer and coop support, but how do they work exactly? Do all the players create their own characters like in the singleplayer game and then join the coop host's game or what?

>>3865104
I just downloaded the version that is available from the mod website
http://ja2v113.pbworks.com/w/page/4218339/FrontPage
And then I downloaded and applied the update
http://ja2v113.pbworks.com/w/page/4218334/Downloads

And that's it. No other mods. If I recall correctly I did have some problems with the game screen not showing properly, but that's probably because of my screen resolution, and playing in windowed mode fixed that.

>>3864209
>Razor and an explosives guy
Fidel

>>3865520
yeah, but then i will have to hire haywire to keep the crew together. it's so hard to keep them apart. that's what i end up doing pretty much every game...

Early game pistols and SMGs with glaser ammo. Blow off heads left and right. Good times.

>>3866226
>then i will have to hire haywire to keep the crew together
I always skipped Haywire and it was fine

Fidel is pretty much the best explosives merc anyway

>>3864209
whats the best way to get into it i bought it on steam a month ago but im playing other stuff

>>3864209
>Why does Jagged Alliance 1/2 never get any attention on /vr/?
Because /vr/ is mostly consolefriends
JA threads get pruned to make way for "blocks your path" and "look what I bought"
>How do you usually set up your teams?
I play a modded insane so I need as many shooters as possible
I have a few good shooters and a lot of bad ones
The bad shooters slow and suppress the enemy to give time for my good shooters to hit them
Otherwise, I get overrun and it's a TPK

>>3864209
The second one gets way more attention than the first. It improved on a whole lot of stuff, but I do love the whole personality management aspect of the original more. Some mercs running off with money if there's too much in their inventory, some acting as snitches, the psycho killer who leaves if he doesn't do enough killing and who will brutally murder Ivan if he's in your squad, the psycho postman who threatens to unionize if you fire said psycho killer...

>decide to play JA2 after all these years
>install 1.13 to get it play properly on modern hardware
>get through the first wave of enemies
>see some kid
>decide to shoot the kid just to see if it's possible
>it is, the kid dies
>have knife in my inventory
>decide to use it on the body while I'm at it
>option for decapitation
>try it
>my guy cuts that kid's head off

Alritey.

>>3866870
You're the guy that shot a kid and decapitated him.

>>3864209
> Favorite merc
Fidel, Barry
> Favorite gun
Famas and FN FAL
> Favorite party
IMP, Barry, Igor, Buns, Grunty
> Favorite overall game strategies (multiple teams, smaller teams, etc)
2 assault teams and 1 support team with doctors and mechanics

>>3864209
>> Favorite overall game strategies
give Razor a TAC-1A vest with 12+ heavy throwing knives and a NVG II
assault at night and clear a sector with 80 enemies

>>3867012
holy fucking shit
Did you stealth the entire thing?

>>3866512
>I play a modded insane
Same here. The micromanagement is insane at almost all times but the huge battles that come of it are rather neat, if wearing. Really get an appreciation for standardising around a single type of ammo and those mortars and proper machineguns when having to defend against company-sized counter attack forces.

>>3867447
not all, around 60-70 soldiers iirc
then I think I got spotted

I didn't even save-scum that much in that battle, reloaded maybe 3 to 5 times

My main party is usually.
- IMP
- Someone good at throwing grenades (later mortars)
- One sniper
- One good spotter
- A close combat fighter

My first time I went with IMP, Lynx, Igor, Hitman and Grunty. I usually got a guy that could use explosives or technical stuff (lockpicks, bolt cutters), like Barry.

My second party was the tank buster party (for the later missions). Magic, Iceman, Bull, Dynamo and that guy from MERC that uses knives.

What took me a while to get was how you could walk backwards/strafe to prevent interrupts, and storming defensive positions. By endgame, I just mortared the fuck out of rooms.

>>3867012
> daily cost: $775

razor truly is the goat

drassen counterattack

what the FUCK were they thinking?

>>3867672

how did they not spot their comrades dying? what trickery is this?

also, are you using camo?

>>3867824
I think melee/throwing knives don't count against stealth, even if you miss the attack. I can be wrong, but I think even silenced weapons have a "ping" when you hit someone - that's what makes the enemies look that way, not their comrade falling.
In Silent Storm, there's something like this - if you kill someone with a silenced weapon, people won't look at their dying comrades, but if even ONE shot misses and hits a wall or the floor, it will alert everyone nearby.

>>3867819
blame the ruskies and 1.13 autists for that one

>>3867824
>how did they not spot their comrades dying?
sneaked up in real time, activated turn mode, threw 3 knives
had a high level so they didn't get an interrupt
ran up with Fidel to the last merc so he would spot and focus on him while Razor runs up and knifes him

>also, are you using camo?
yes, that's why they're dark green

>>3865110
So I've tried these ancient builds and it does really work fine on W10, for at least 8 hours.
Too bad I actually wanted to try out the new minor features from http://kermi.pp.fi/JA_2/v1.13_Releases/Unofficial/English/Depri/SCI_113/ rather than playing the same game yet again.

>>3867819
>not playing with counterattacks enabled for ALL cities
Every city should be like Drassen

>>3867012
I can never get this to work in 1.13 insane difficulty with NCTH
When I try it, I get overrun
I play ironman mode, so I can't savescum

>>3869220
When it comes to Insane level amounts of enemies, the major battle is action economy. I've never been so bold as to have such a small team on a night attack, I'd still prefer at least a full squad for covering more angles and backup for when shit inevitably goes tits-up. Loud grenades, like flashbangs especially are my go-to to attract attention away from a key area is usually my best idea if I need to break contact because the goons will tend to go investigate.


Daylight battles are more my thing anyway, but to avoid being over-run, especially in counter attacks, absolutely gotta have massive amounts of firepower available to deal with the numbers as quickly as possible and burn out enemy actions so they can't just rush, because they will eventually work out that they can. Gases and smoke I've found are a fun trap, as enemies with gas masks will just use if for concealment, mass up and make themselves susceptible to hitting with incendiaries and fragmentation blasts. And gotta love mines of all kinds when dealing with those counter-attacks.

Not played in a while though, is there an option in 1.13 yet to take off or turn down general explosive volatility? Was always a nightmare to deal with having to worry about basic grenades that were being carried getting set off by some vaguely nearby blast. Cooking off in extreme heat I could understand but for the most part it seemed more than a bit odd.

>>3869220
>NCTH
why

Link to the base game version that I need for 1.13?

>>3864209
I love this game, but I always feel like I'm playing it wrong until I can get some guns with decent scopes on them.

Are the rifles/shotguns/everything else meant to be so AP intensive and so inaccurate until you get them geared out?

>>3869437
Either steam, gog or russian retail gold version (grey cover) should work. Not sure about other retails.

>>3869441
>inaccurate
That's just bullshit videogamey distance scaling. 1 tile is 10 meters for vision and gun range, 1 meter for running and throw range.

>>3869441
Yes, we call it Pistol Phase or Pistol Creep. You start with fucking handguns, and rifles don't become that good until you get some of their attachments.
Rifles are supposed to be used by the people that will climb a roof and overlook a street. Even though at the beginning, you'll be missing 50% of the time. Shotguns are for breachers (people who open doors and go around corners. They're AP intensive because of balancing issues. If you let 4 or 5 shots in the same turn, it would counter the low % percentage.

I think most strategy games suffer from this initial phase. Silent Storm is mostly the same. You start with a handgun that can fire 7 shots in a turn but can't hit accurately more than a few feet away. You can get a rifle pretty early, but the most you're going to let loose is 2 shots per turn.

>>3869451
>>3869453
Alright, glad to hear I'm not doing something wrong.

>>3869453
I must be mental because I think I prefer the pistols/shotguns/machine pistols phase over the rifles phase

>>3869534
The pistol phase seems better because you can get near the enemy and make mistakes without too much penalty, since it's the beginning. Rifles are boring because you're having a shootout with two guys while having 60% chance to hit with each one of your two shots.

Silent Storm was particularly nasty with this, because once enemies started getting SMGs, they loved to ambush you or wait in hiding. One single full clip burst can kill any character.

Damn. I just want GOG to upload Jagged Alliance 1.07, the original SirTech/TalonSoft version, not the faggot-ass JA2 Gold Edition.

>>3869675
Why?

>>3869690
1) it's uncensored

2) Gold edition fucked up some game mechanics including grenade throwing and breath damage from taking melee hits

3) Gold edition doesn't have crows eating corpses. the crows serve gameplay purposes because you can shoot them and throw knives at them to gain skill points.

>>3869693
>Gold edition doesn't have crows eating corpses.
pretty sure it does

>Gold edition fucked up some game mechanics including grenade throwing and breath damage from taking melee hits
what's wrong with the melee damage?

>>3869693
I'm pretty sure I saw crows eating corpses in Gold Edition. The characters even say a few lines regarding how there's nothing good in war, when they see this.

>>3864209
Does the GOG Gold version work with mods? I haven't had any luck getting Deidranna Lives or Urban Chaos running properly with my copy (despite it working just fine), I just get runtime errors like "Number of tilesets does not match code", which I can't see anyone giving any advice for other than reinstalling, which hasn't changed things for me.

gibe me some advise for a beginner how to not fuck up.

>>3870194
Doesn't UC require some specific version of 1.13 first?

>>3869716
Can confirm, "Oh God that's so revolting!" "This is why my nephew is an alcoholic."

Only difference is that JA2 Gold uses the JA2:UB engine, which is identical except for some tiny changes.

>>3864209
don't ditch MD. High WIS = high stat growth.
He can become a great shooter.

>>3869660
yeah but it SS you can tear down buildings with a HMG.

>>3871293
Didn't they fix under-barrel grenade launchers?

>>3864209
Who /Steroid/ here?

>>3871961
I think I only ever bothered with him once. Probably because he hated all the Russian characters and damn it, the Igor/Ivan team is just too damn good.

Fidel though, for some reason I still (to the bemusement of many others) keep having reasons to quote GET SHOVEL!

>>3869675
I have the steam version and I haven't noticed any censorship so far.

Still not sure which version of this map I prefer, this or the bigmaps one.

>>3864209
Hey guys I'm a fucking retard and am playing Jagged Alliance 2 for the first time (1.13 patch) is there a recommended starter party?

>1.13 patch
>create Swedish character who's racist towards arabs

Payback time, Akhmed.

>>3876183
Play without 1.13 first and capture a city or two, then restart in 1.13
Some mercs prefer working with other specific merc, I'm not sure if very high morale is important but having a supportive party may negate bad morale form your fuckups. Here's an incomplete and possibly outdated graph if you do not enable dynamic opinions and banter. Arrows point from influenced to source of influence, for example Hitman loves Raven.
When first hiring someone most expensive part is equipment/deposit, hire decent mercs for 1 day and make sure to have a mine captured by the end of the day.

>>3876183
one or two mercs with good marksmanship, at least one with also good agility and/or stealthy trait
a merc with at least 30-40 leadership that will talk to people
a merc with mechanical knowledge, preferably with a lockpicking trait
a merc with some explosives knowledge
at least one merc should have a first aid kit. doesn't have to be a medic, you will get a recruitable one very early in the game

popular favorites are Hitman, Barry and Igor

>>3876239
there are better graphs for inter-merc relationships

1/2

>>3876239
>>3876242
>>3876246
Woah people being helpful this is a first.
I'm seeing people talking about people being racist towards each other, would be best to make a party of all people from one country or would these relationship charts be more helpful then worrying to much about race/racial tension traits?

>>3876251
The hate chart is more important than the like chart. You don't want to have your best merc quit because you hired some cheap shithead he hates.

>>3876251
Sorry, last build I played extensively did not have racism. All I know is Ira is american and hates americans so that kind of combination is possible, also there is sexism and body shaming now. Guess these graphs need a lot of updating.

>>3876251
racism is a tiny 1.13 add-on, it doesn't really have any huge impact. relationships

have a much bigger impact and mercs have behavior and dialogue for them

>>3876259
>there is sexism and body shaming now.
Damn well now I have to look out for that because I was looking at Meltdown for a possible starter and I have a feeling she'd be effected by that.

>>3876258
Or you could hire a "love triangle" and have them arguing all the time but still balancing each other out, like Raven + Raider + Hitman.

>The reinforcements at Dressen
Maybe I made a mistake starting on 1.13. At least I didn't get to far and now know to turn in off in the ini

>>3876263
Meltdown is a great starter, honestly. She can fire off a ton of bullets per round making her extremely useful in urban areas.

>>3876296
Honestly, in 1.13 with reinforcements on, it's a better idea to tackle other towns at first instead of Drassen so you can get some money and gear under your belt. If you have Arulco Revisited you can just ignore the fourth sector for as long as you please.

>>3876303
I feel like the other towns are dangerously far if I'm looking at the tactical map right at all. I'll try somewhere else.
Opinions on Ira? A free medic doesn't seem bad.

>>3876315
San Mona is as far as Drassen, and there's a lot of goodies there. Once you get there, Chitzena is not far either

Spider, Raven, Raider, Vicki is a great team. Add Static and Thor for good measure if some skills duplication.

As is Hitman, Grunty, Igor, Ivan, Iggy.

Starting out it's pretty much always safe and cost efficient to get Wolf, Hitman, Barry, Grunty, Igor, MD or Spider.

I also really like Buzz and pretty much always take them.

>>3876396
A large percent of those people are on assignment. I have hitman Meltdown, Steriod and Stephen (who I splerged on assuming I should have one heavy hitter).

>>3876315
All rebels, including Ira, get a bonus to training militia. Beef up her leadership and you'll have a decent trainer. I'm not sure if "luck" is a thing in Jagged Alliance but for some reason Ira seems to be unnaturally lucky beyond her stats whenever I use her.

She's free either way so I'd keep her around.

>>3876417
>I'm not sure if "luck" is a thing in Jagged Alliance but for some reason Ira seems to be unnaturally lucky beyond her stats whenever I use her.
If you mean shooting, it comes down to her very high dexterity. Give her something long-range, train her marksmanship up and she'll become an excellent sharpshooter, especially with that smaller tunnel vision perk she's got

So, when are we going to play JA 1.13 in coop together with /vr/ bros? It would be like expendables.

>>3876406
>on assignment

That'll ruin the most well-laid of squad composition plans.

Having a good heavy hitter early on will certainly make the starting fights easier, though economically you might have to ditch them and get more cost efficient mercs later on. Gotta keep them very active to get your money's worth out of them. But also not have them hog all the kills because people get experience from completing actions, and the rest of the team will need that.

>>3876538
I would be up for this. I'm as blind as the other guy who was asking for help, but I have a ton of experience with X-COM, so, shouldn't be too bad.. right?

>>3876565
I'm a total newbie as well. Group of Jagged Alliance noobs teaming up sounds like fun.

>>3864209
So what's meant to be the proper approach to the Drassen counterattack? Last time I palyed it, I just cheesed it and killed all 80 of the guys as they came through a door 1 by 1, but surely there must be a more satisfying (and less time consuming) way of doing it.

>>3876873
cheesing it is a perfectly valid tactic

alternately you could try a stealth run by night, initially retreating if the attack happens during the day

>>3876873
I've not played on the original map for ages but on >>3873814 I always camp the ACA building roof, maybe a team in the mine, and I heavily mine/trap the various approaches. Lots of mines on the roads, behind and cover, claymores up close to be triggered if about to be overwhelmed.

Mines maybe account for about 25% of the kills but they do a great help. Beyond that it's about limiting sight lines so smoke placed on the enemy, gas if it's available, followed by frags. Interrupts are probably the greatest thing, so gotta make sure everyone stays not just alive, but away. Gonna need canteens to restore fatigue, make sure minimal loads are carried, bags of ammo can be kept near the medics in the middle so more rounds can be passed over when needed. If night, a LOT of glowsticks and flares can be really helpful along with night vision because the goons will want to not be in the light.

And if all else fails, set fire to everything.
EVERYTHING.

Casualty distribution in those two pics should indicate where you're gonna catch a lot of goons in the open if you're using that map set.

Gonna need people with Squadleader trait and good leadership too to stop everyone just getting depressed.
And frankly, hose dem bullets. Precision can be left to marksmen and when up close and using pistols. Seriously make sure to have pistols, a lot of use out of them can and will be had once things get up close and everyone is getting worn down.
And you're gonna be spraying enough rounds down range from an elevated position that you will get head hits and suppress anyone nearby which is essential to prevent getting rushed.
Make sure you stay aware and keep having people not just looking down their sights but checking around, those goons can sneak right up on you if you're unaware, even in daylight. But make sure it's an appropriate person like a support dude who isn't busy rather than the MG carriers.

I think that you can use someone with a headset to yell at any militia you have to gather them in a more useful location. Militia can be a nice speedbump and sometimes a few of them even survive. I think weapons can be handed to them as well these days? It's long been a battle to stop them looting all the good stuff themselves.

What is wrong with the GOG release?

I just started the game for the first time and the sound settings are like this. Shouldn't they all be set in the middle?

Is this like Commandoes?

>>3878589
Not at all, Commandoes is real time and more in-depth while Jagged Alliance is non-linear turn-based with a single goal; kill the whore.

>>3878585
That's really fucking unprofessional of GOG. I guess they didn't bother to use a clean copy of the game.

>>3878601

>>3878604
I prefer my GOG games to be in a freshly-installed state. My faith in GOG is absolutely ruined. I should've known better than to trust a bunch of pollacks.

>>3876417
i sold her to some rednecks on a farm. she
won't come with me again, even after killing them off. this won't affect the game in any other way will it?
it was worth it either way. she is a whiny bitch. also, she hates malice, and i always like to keep him around.

>>3878695
Nope, all that does is remove them as a merc and lets you plunder the hicks gun stash.

I have always enjoyed using Conrad. Also, is hiring Slay (forever) worth it?

>>3879684
Slay has good marksmanship and good physicals. He's worth it

Is H2 Grumm the worst sector to attack? I always end up losing some of my best mercs.

>>3878585
Settings are stored in Ja2.set
Are these checkboxes from GOG install too or did you edit them? "Never move my mouse" was not enabled in retail.

>>3869336
It's harder

I still play once in awhile. 1.13, everything else is way too easy anymore.

>>3883126
Is it really just "harder"? Someone said it's either bugged or completely fucked up intentionally and gives enemy unfair advantage while also having "non-linear" distance to cth calculation in a very unintuitive way.

>>3882213
Is that the one with the factory? It's one of the most heavily defended sectors without tanks, and you know how flushing people out of buildings in JA2 is hell. I can't even use my strategy of mortaring everyone to shit, because some stuff inside the factory is valuable.

This game is really difficult for me. I've tried playing it a few times but always die a lot near the beginning to the point that I quit playing.

The webms in here look cool though so I'm going to give it another try at some point.

>>3884014
The most important thing about those tactical shooters is that you have to keep line of sight to your enemy, and shouldn't rush actions. For example, if you KNOW there is someone right around the corner, don't just go right around in the same turn. Walk/run to the corner, and stop just short of it. That way, you'll have some leeway if the enemy tries to go around it himself (Interrupt), and you'll have full Action Points when the next turn comes up.
Most deaths in those games happen because you run right up to the enemy in a turn, wasting all your AP, just to be shot to death next turn.

Also, line of sight. I don't remember JA2's key, I think it's ALT. That way, you can move while strafing or even walk backwards. That's important because getting whoever sees the other first has a huge advantage.

>>3884671
Also, if you know someone is around the corner, throw a grenade to knock them off their feet. They are easy pickings once prone.

>>3864209
wow thank god someone on the internet appreciates this masterpiece. Anyone have any links for the mods? Whenever i try to find mods i always end up having to go to some russian or polish website and all the links don't work

>>3878636
GOG is literally a warez site except you pay them for the abandonware.

>>3864209
>1/2
Jagged Alliance 1 never gets ANY attention at all. Any JA talk is 100% dominated by JA2.

>>3864209

>>3883214
This
>1.13
>NCTH
>insane
>all counterattacks enabled
>food and water requirements increased
>cost to maintain militia increased
>shoot at unseen enemy penalty increased
>Queen has an unlimited pool of troops