/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3844380
Hot opinion, Kiddo

>>3844390
>snes
Also name literally anything else.

Americans still have mediocre artists, just go take a look at western female characters and tacticool armors.
They just add a bunch of texture maps and tacky effects and call it a day.

>>3844393
Only pic I had on hand, wasn't going to bother getting another. It's not my problem if you only like Japanese games. Japan spent more money on game art, but that only really matters if graphics are what's important to you.

>>3844380
It's very easy to just say western < Eastern

But c'mon anon, you know there's some really good people there too.

OP is a gay weeb faggot. Please don't trip over your kimono while chopping up watermelons with your katana, senpai.

>Implying japanese developers invented any original gameplay mechanic and didnt lift from western games

>>3844380
>Why was pre 5th gen western gaming so shitty?

Because you were only on consoles.

Pre-5th gen PC gaming and arcade gaming were awesome.

>>3844380
>Why was pre 5th gen western gaming so shitty?

Because you were only on consoles.

Pre-5th gen western PC gaming and arcade gaming were awesome.

>>3844393
>Also name literally anything else.

Sim City, Railroad Tycoon, Leisure Suit Larry, all the old point n click games, Dune 1...

>>3844393
Populous
Elite
Tetris

>>3844441

Also: Wing Commander in 1990. For me that was the point when gaming got serious. At this point no console game had that much depth and complexity to it.

Nothing changed, western vidya just got more budget to spend on marketing and convince the normies that Generic Brown Shooter 45 or Free Roam Criminal Sim 90 are the best ever, but Japan still make the best games.

>>3844480

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBfWKmRFTjM

>>3844486
>Youtube

No thanks, normie.
Got a niconico link?

>>3844380
Maybe both are simply better at 3D than 2D or maybe development changed somehow

>>3844480
>but Japan still make the best games.

No, Japan is making Pachinkos now.

Why did CLAMP turn to shit? Were they drunk through all of Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles?

>>3844517
Just like how the west is making f2p browser and mobile games.

Nobody is making video games anymore.

>>3844517
Zelda Beath of the Wild, Nioh, Yakuza 0, Dragon Quest XI, etc are pachinko? New to me.

>>3844550
>>3844517
Hey hey hey. Not retro.

>>3844556
Shut the fuck up, faggot.

>>3844556
Rei>Asuka

>>3844403
>he thinks nethack is a good roguelike

>>3844561
Rei = Asuka

>>3844583
>>3844561

Mana>Rei>Asuka

And Mana is also /vr/.

>>3844380
>and all the good stuf was like 50/50

>>3844380
What is this horseshit?

>>3844525
I think they did hard drugs that did permanent damage, because even know the CCS sequel is about Sakura's time travelling daughter or some other shit.

In the 80s, British developers (and American developers to a lesser extent) developers focused on making $10 games for underpowered computers with only one fire button. Their experience in this field did not translate to consoles. Nobody's favorite NES game is Renegade or Cybernoid.

>>3844605
>What is this horseshit?

If he is talking console games only, the west was indeed pretty shitty for much of the 80s and 90s. They mostly got severely gimped PC ports with features, colors, and levels stripped away. Arcade ports were no better.

Rare brought us a few amazing games in the 8-bit and 16-bit era, and EA brought us some decent sports titles in the 90s. Sadly western developers for the most part continued to half-ass the arcade and PC ports, or they jumped on the FMV bandwagon and made some of the worst games of the era.

In the 80s, British developers (and American developers to a lesser extent) focused on making $10 games for underpowered computers with only one fire button. Their experience in this field did not translate to consoles, and their low quality created a cycle of crap games taking ideas from other crap games. Nobody's favorite NES game is Renegade or Cybernoid

>>3844772
>If he is talking console games only

That's entirely possible. There are people around here who are that dumb.

>>3844775

You can look at the top 50 list of NES games from virtually any critic and usually the only western games you see on it are from Rare.

Tetris sometimes makes the list, but NES tetris is one of the worst versions of it out there (it didn't even have PvP mode).

>>3844775
You are also forgetting the PC market. Tons of great games came out on MS-DOS compatibles, especially if you were into RPGs.

>>3844782
>Tetris sometimes makes the list, but NES tetris is one of the worst versions of it out there (it didn't even have PvP mode).

the Tengen one had simultaneous multiplayer, and if I recall correctly it also had a coop mode where both players worked in the same playfield - but my memory is fuzzy on this, I might be mistaken.

also,
>Tetris
>Player vs Player mode

lol

>>3844835
>lol
Not him but why is that funny? Vs Tetris is awesome.

>>3844836

Arcade and even gameboy tetris had vs options (Gameboy needed the link cable).

Tengen unlicensed version had co-op multiplayer (somethign no one asked for). Still better than the NES version.

>>3844380
Because the only pre 5th gen stuff you know is Nintendo.

>>3844412
Wait, what is picrel from? I recognize Toshiro Mifune, but still. Reverse search brings up nothing.

>>3844868
>Nintendo is the only japanese company

Can't tell if underage or retarded. Or both.

>>3844390
Doom is the best

I think it says something about western games that the Ultima series didn't get good until Ultima 8 (that's 7 bad games in a row) - then EA/Origin released a complete turd with Ultima 9

>>3844390
>lol shoot sime pixelated dope in the face every 5 seconds
>flip a lever while some faggot grunts and smirks in a status box
Doom was always garbage, champ.

>>3844438
>Japs
>not dominating the arcade scene in the 80s and 90s
AHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3844438
Narc is pretty bad and nearly impossible to 1cc

>>3844447
>>3844441
The implication was to name good games, not franchises so terrible that they sedoku'd themselves.

>>3844480
/thread

>>3846360
Wing Commander was awesome though.

I feel bad for anyone stuck with only console or only computer games. Both had so many gems.

>>3844779
>still being this mad about Nips dominating arcades, portables and the home console scene for 20+ years
Stay mad, fag. Your saltiness is invigorating.

westerners have a very poor grasp on game design and directing games. I think unless you understand something closely and on a more intimate level you won't be able to express an understanding that conveys new ideas which can be effectively engaged with by others. Japanese game design reflects an interesting amount of their culture and how they're raised even, education, cram schools, etc. very similar to game design.

It's kind of why westerners make so many open world games. They can get away with not making any one part particularly innovative or unique or even good, just acceptable, but why Japanese suffer with open world design - they have so many things they need to flesh out to an acceptable level that they run short on time and end up with an ambitious but unfinished game. Most Western open world games are just rehashes of existing ideas, rarely will you find anything new attempted. It's why I prefer to avoid them. That said there are occasional bursts of genius in design, but you look at the people these western devs study, and its japanese developers. Look at Valve and id in their golden years, lots of great games (and quake 2 lol) but when asked their influences, they don't say iconic western games that predate their newest title, they mention japanese ones.

Its why I cringe when I hear some "veteran" game dev from the west say "before you design a video game, design a tabletop game." It's like, how can you miss the point? tabletop is for tabletop, video games are for video games. An iconic and essential game that is brilliant at its core - tetris - is literally impossible to exist in a tabletop space. It's like saying "make the same retarded mistakes I have." Do not listen to those people, they are fools and have made nothing of merit.

>>3846370
Fair enough. I liked stuff on PC like Deus Ex and Starflight.

>>3846372
>they don't say iconic western games that predate their newest title, they mention japanese ones.

Or movies

All western devs have is movies

>>3846372
I remember reading an interview with a japanese dev, can't remember if it was Shinji mikami or who, but they said the main difference between western and japanese development is the process.
Japanese development is more methodic. First they work on the concept, then they work on the core mechanics, then they work on fleshing out said mechanics and how to implement them the best way possible, then they start working on assets, story, music, etc, etc.
It's like a step by step process, they won't start working on polishing details in the graphics if the core mechanic isn't solid enough. And everyone on the dev team is in constant communication with each other.
Western development is more open, it might start with assets and core mechanics for last, it isn't a linear development, and different teams work on different things, without much communication between them. Then, when each team have their work done, they somehow try to mash up and build the game with the existing parts.

Not sure if I'm being clear, I wish I could find that interview again, but I'm not even sure if it was Mikami.

>>3844393
Secret of Evermore

>>3846360
Did you just call fucking Sim City a terrible franchise?

>>3844812
There aren't any good RPGs on PC.

>>3846413
This place is painful sometimes.

>>3846419
0/10
Though to be fair JRPGs and CRPGs are basically different genres, it's entirely possible to like one and not the other. That just doesn't make them bad.

>>3844812
Naw, nobody forgot the PC market, nobody.

>>3846413
>>3846432
>painfully triggered that Sim City was sacrilegiously shitted upon
>nothing in defense of the other franchises
SNES Sim City was pretty comfy.

>>3846409
I wanted Secret of Mana but it cost too much. I was able to score Secret of Evermore for $5 though :)

>>3846445
I was also this guy >>3846370
I'm hardly ass triggered that you don't like Sim City, but I'm also not going to agree.

Never played Railroad Tycoon or LL though, too many other games.

I still feel bad for people stuck with only one or the other.

>>3846450
I am these guys:>>3846448
>>3846409
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>>3846359
>>3846352
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>>3844779
Continue being reasonable and good natured.

>>3846448
Speaks volumes really.

>>3846346
You could make this kind of half-arsed post for any game, though.

>>3846454
lol you just quoted one of my posts as one you claim is you.

I don't know if you're just lolrandom trolling or have a hate boner for old PC games.

>>3846325
>Ultima 9
Man, I had such high expectations when it first came out, even bought some third party walkthrough thingy.

>>3844380
Nips suck. They're copycats with no originality.

>>3847683
And yet 4chan is a copy of 2chan.

>>3847694
and 2chan was just a copy of newsgroups with embeddable images

>>3847717
Not really.

>>3847683
western europeans suck. They're ancient greek and roman copycats with no originality.

Americans suck, they're britbong copycats with no originality.

ORIGINALITY IS A MYTH

>>3847719
Actually this is true, there isn't a single original thing since problably the summerians, everything is a fancy rehash of something the summerians already came up with over 10k years ago.

Read "the hero with a thousand faces" for more info on this.

>>3847717
lol not remotely

>>3847719
white europeans are the most inventive race, sorry this fact triggers you, son

>>3847718
>>3847730
t. weebs that think forums were created by nips

>>3847738
>calling an image board a "forum"

>>3847748
It is though, the userbase is just more autistic than your average forum.

>>3847750
That'd explain why you're here.
And no, and IB isn't a forum.

Apart from a few exceptions i dont play western games at all. They are mostly a mixture of marketing hype and crap. Things never really change. Only peoples perception does.

>>3847757
But it is, though.

>>3847683
They just copy the West, yet Westerners keep endlessly complaining about Japanese culture being too weird, incomprehensible, different and offensive. How does that work?

>>3846346
It's like I'm really on /v/.

>>3847916
Next you're gonna tell me 4chan is basically like an e-mail account.

>>3844561
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>>3844585
Ramiel best girl

>>3848210
>Ramiel
The Commodore guy?

>>3848221
I think he's referring to Ramiel, the 5th Apostle.

>>3844561
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>>3848210
Who the fuck cares? People who pretend to be NGE fans and post this shit should all be banned.

>>3848261
>pretend

Why would I pretend to be a fan of one of the most popular and influential anime series of all time?

That said, I actually got into Evangelion back in 1998.
I was just funposting because Mana really is best girl and /vr/-related

>>3848269
Actual fans don't do this retarded "waifu wars" meme shit.

>>3848273
How many times do you see Mana in these "waifu wars"?

MANA A BEST!

>>3846352
They didn't even make the best arcade game.

>>3844380
the biggest problem with the western games was the high prevalence of 2d renders of 3d CGI instead of actual art.

>>3848290
Street Fighter II was not japanese?

>>3848065
Because they don't copy it, they just mix the western culture with their own, which in turn is made up of their own interpretation of chinese culture. They're one of the few countries in the world that can culturally appropriate the west and change it so much it ends up a completely different product. South korea is not that fortunate.

>>3844380

The trove of great Western CRPGs would disagree with you. The concept of an open-world game didn't seem to hit Japan until the second generation, but CRPGs had been set in open worlds from the earliest instances of computer gaming that I can even remember. Tabletop RPGs had a profound impact on the emergence of Western video games.

>>3848884
>Tabletop

Not vidya.

>>>/tg/

It's the same, eastern games just seem better on average because no one was localizing shovelware.

>>3848230
Not Jack T. Ramiel?

>>3848261
Didn't say I was, the only good thing about NGE is the girls