/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

[Highway to Hell] Second phase of mapping is over; submit your maps within the next few days
>>/vr/thread/3826106#p3830558

[Til 4-1] QUMP is still going!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit

[Til 3-15] Dropbox will be dropping support of public folders in mid-March

=== NEWS ===

[3-2] MetaDoom 3.1 released, featuring tweaks and balance adjustments
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=981099#p981099

[3-2] Quake Champions to be playable at PAX East
https://bethesda.net/en/article/1XhLAJzCHSymCkQIKiI6gw/bethesda-is-heading-to-pax-east-2017

[3-1] Nevermore, an add-on for Trailblazer
>>/vr/thread/3826106#p3829402
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B93dAHEWrRc-dFhSTklHUWVaQzQ

[2-28] Some BTSX News
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1721926

[2-26] Brutal Doom v21 soon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggxUX5jYgrM

[2-26] Various downloads of retro FPS games were dumped in a previous thread (follow the backlinks)
>>/vr/thread/3821570#p3821997

[2-24] MaxEd actually starting progress on DukeBuilder, the absolute madman
https://github.com/m-x-d/Duke-Builder

[2-23] Universal Intermission Screen Mod released; a visual megawad progress tracker
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=55323

[2-22] Freedoom v0.11.1 released, fixes SBARINFO
https://github.com/freedoom/freedoom/releases/tag/v0.11.1

[2-21] TheRailgunner is back, expect progress on The Trooper and X-Weapon
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55321
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=978921#p978921

[2-20] Disjunction released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/disjunct

[2-18] Intermission E1M9 uploaded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlFLXMRQLg

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=== PROTIP ===

If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, please reply/backlink to this post.

What are the newest developments in the meta?

>D4D dev is reverting the menus back to the v1 style

Jesus fuck

Any updates on Brutal Hexen?

Any other cool stuff coming for Heretic and Hexen?

>>3835836
Brutal Hexen is dead with no possible chance of it being worked on again

Support for Heretic and Hexen is basically nonexistant

>>3835850
That sucks to hear ;_;

Can we get a list of Vanilla replacement mods?

So far:
SmoothDoom
SoundCauking
SmoothTextures
Perkistian's remastered Doom SFX

>>3835869
*Vanilla Enhancement

>>3835869
Sprite Fixes

>>3835872
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/graphics/sprfix18

>>3835331
>>3835357
Thanks for the tips. I'm getting better at it but with this mod it's pretty hard still since everything's about twice as aggressive.
>>3835365
>0:12 required no fear from anon
Yeah but I'm a total coward anyway sadly. I'll get the hang of this somehow.

Hey guys, do you have any tips on how to manage my mapping? I have tons of time, but I always start projects and abandon them for no apparent reason. I always start a map, throw some ideas on the wall, maybe include some gimmicks I find intriguing, and then just stop midway.

>>3835972
Stream it and describe what you're doing the whole time. Just saying stuff aloud can help the creative process.

>>3835972
>how to manage mapping
Well you're gonna need to talk to your mapping supervisor to make sure you're mapping within your specs. Make sure to pay your local, and federal, mapping license tax. Finally, it's good to make a design plan that details exactly what you're trying to do. This includes whatever gimmicks and general design/theme of what you're going for. By creating a design document you'll be able to keep yourself focused and not deviate with "well it'd be cool if I did this" that seems to plague modders like Keegs.

Finally part 2: push yourself to map just a little bit even if you don't feel like it. A lot of little additions can add up to a lot of work without burning yourself out.

Quake 2 is a good game that gets too much flak for being a change of setting.
the multiplayer is better too

>>3835972
Creating anything without a purpose is doomed to be abandoned.

Find out what you're feeling/longing for and make that the goal/purpose that drives the development of your maps.

>tfw listACS doesn't work so I can't decompile cool scripts and see how they work
Gay as fuck desu fampai.

>>3835995
>play first quake and have a jolly good time
>end up losing a lot of stuff due to acts of God
>wind up with a Sega Saturn and Quake 2
>it's so fucking bland and quiet
>get solid spooks but a lot of areas look like the same brown texture slapped on everything
>guns feel like nerf

Is it just the Sega Saturn version that's like this?

>>3836023
PC version has metal blasting all the time and heavy use of colored lighting for variety. I didn't even know there was a Saturn port of Q2. Also the sound design is nice and crisp and the only gun that was really (rightfully) nerfed from Q1 to Q2 was the rocket launcher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY6yBTYxLko

>>3835836
Are those sprites really huge or really close up? I can't tell

>>3836036
They're huge heads

>>3835995
I agree. Quake 2 is good. It looks just as bland as Quake 1, the weapons and enemies aren't as well balanced but shit still works, and as a combination everything makes more sense because it isn't a desperate compromise of Game X having been transformed into a first person shooter. Quake 2 is good because it actually is what it tried to be, unlike Quake 1 which accidentally became an inconsistent but enjoyable classic.

>>3836042
>the weapons and enemies aren't as well balanced but shit still works
I know you're talking from an SP standpoint but Q1 was unbalanced as fuck online. From my quakeworld experience people just use rocket launcher and lightning gun because both weapons are straight up superior to everything else.

>>3836036
They are kinda like cacos. But much more annoying.

How is the Arch-vile sound supposed to be written? It doesn't sound like annything, especially the laugh... thing they do when following you. I do know that they are supposed to say "why?" when you kill them though.

>>3836067
Haaaaa...

>>3836067
how do i get billy mode

>>3836067
hueuEUEUeueuEUueue

>>>/wsg/1571077

hhhwwaiiieeelelelelep

>>3836067
hahuhawhaa

*evil laugh*

>>3834859
IMO would be better if you implemented a "cover" system like in Blackthrone.

I got a doubt. Can games done in Doom's engine be sold? or is it always supposed to be freeware? Asking for a friend.

>>3836130
I've never been able to tell what that face looks like

>>3836231
GZDoom-GPL is what you're looking for.

>>3836232

>>3836232
a martian

>>3836241
>>3836232
A pissed-off one

>>3836238
He looks fuckin stupid

>>3836232

>>3836259
>>3836232
Democritus, Richard B. Ogilvie, George Sarton, Andy Lau, Charles Darwin, Pope Pius XII, Christopher Glenn, Thomas Munzer, King Stephen, Don Stark

>>3836232
op looked like a creepy witch or something peaking through a doorway at first

>>3836259
>mustache: yes

>>3836262
Now with Charles Bronson and David Cronenberg

Given how many other games have re-creations in Doom wad form, I'm surprised there's no Banjo Kazooie Doom.

is combined arms the best weapons mod for playing normal doom wads?

Brutal Doom and Russian Overkill are fun for a second but boy does it get kinda old. CA hasn't gotten tiring yet, least not for me.

>>3836312
the best weapons mod is clearly comfy doom

Favourite weapon in a classic FPS?
I'll always love Doom's shotgun.

>>3836042
Quake 1 is anything but bland my friend

I think I'm going to enter this shit: https://www.doomworld.com/vb/wads-mods/92522-doomworld-mega-project-2017/

>>3836353
It's a tie between Doom's Plasma gun, Quake 2's railgun, Half Life's revolver, and probably Halo 1 rockets

>>3836353
Supershotgun a best, senpai

>>3836356
It is visually at least. The actual game is fun to play and the enemies have some fun gimmicks to them like the resurrecting zombies, but its also the game to blame for the popularity of the brown and grey FPS too.

>>3836380
But the downside is you have to play Doom 2 to use it.

guess the map

>>3836353
>50 and 100 round mags
>shreds even the strongest cyborgs in an instant
>that fucking BRRRRRT sound
>recoil knocks you on your ass
If only it weren't so late in the game. The flechette gun just can't compare.

>>3836437
Forgot image, of course.

>>3836415
Resident Evil

>>3836405
I don't understand this whole "game x is good but I don't like it because people ripped it off" mentality, with the game's themes and aesthetic brown and grey work, and it's not made cynically to cash in on something

>>3836405
>but its also the game to blame for the popularity of the brown and grey FPS too.

Fuck off, Yahtzee.

>>3836450
>Fuck off, Yahtzee

>>3836457
>tfw

>>3836232
for the longest time I thought the Cyberdemon's nostrils were his eyes

>>3836437
>>3836439
I really wish they didn't give you the overpowered energy sword so early in the game. I loved the guns in SS1, but I found myself using the sword for most of the game.

>>3836353

>>3836457

Hey, if the dude won at yahtzee, I can't blame him. Good shit.

>>3836353
Quake 2's super shotgun for sure

>>3836405
You mean Quake was behind the fad that started at around 2005?

How are the Deus Vult map packs for co-op in Zandronum? Do they work well? We've already done Scythe 1 and 2 and I'm looking for more fun co-op maps.

>>3836353
Flak cannon probably. I really like the razorjack too, but it's secondary fire is only so-so.

What wads go good with combined arms?

>>3836415
give us a clue. is it something you've made, or is it an existing release? it vaguely reminds me of several 1994ish maps.

I grabbed the DoomRL Arsenal wads from the doomworld forum, but it's giving me this error when trying to run all 3 in Zandronum. What do?

Execution could not continue.

Script error, "doomrl_monsters_beta_6.2.wad:MAPINFO" line 220:
Intermission: Unknown top level keyword

>>3836646
Zandronum runs on older versions of GZDoom. A lot of mods won't work on Zandronum until it "catches up" so to speak. If it doesn't work, try a GZDoom build instead.

It may work on a test release of Zan 3.0, but I have no idea. I don't know what exactly that build uses.

>>3836652
Just set up GZDoom and tried running DoomRL Arsenal, but I got a metric fuckton of orange-colored errors and it said OpenGL couldn't be accelerated.

>>3836665
Someone else might know what's going on. GZDoom was updated recently, maybe that's the issue?

I'm no expert on this, someone else should know.

>>3836668
Thanks anyway. Here's the console readout after all the orange error text stuff, in case it helps:

script parsing took 17649.03 ms
R_Init: Init Doom refresh subsystem.
DecalLibrary: Load decals.
M_Init: Init menus.
P_Init: Init Playloop state.
ParseSBarInfo: Loading default status bar definition.
ParseSBarInfo: Loading custom status bar definition.
Script error, "DoomRL_Arsenal_HUD_1.0.wad:HUD_ARMR" line 1267:
'DRPGDRLAActive' is not a type of inventory item.
Script error, "DoomRL_Arsenal_HUD_1.0.wad:HUD_ARMR" line 1270:
'DRPGDRLAActive' is not a type of inventory item.
D_CheckNetGame: Checking network game status.
player 1 of 1 (1 nodes)
I_InitInput
I_StartupMouse
I_StartupKeyboard
I_StartupXInput
I_StartupRawPS2
I_StartupDirectInputJoystick
Warning: 'Object' is freed outside the GC process.

>>3836353
Parias' Firestorm in Hexen.

>>3836674
Literally half of my wads and mods do this because there's discrepancies between versions of GZDoom and people doing hackjob work.

I literally have three separate GZDoom folders. One running 2.2, another running the most recent stable, and another running the most recent dev build.

If a mod doesn't work in one of them it WILL work in one of the others.

>try Accessories to Murder
>Doomguy is now Snake Plisskin or whatever, his picture looks dumb
>guns are okay I guess
>new sounds and enemies are shit
>smokes heal you and after all this time playing Metal Gear I have to force myself to see them as a good thing to pick up

Eh, it's okay.

>>3836023
>wind up with a Sega Saturn and Quake 2
>Is it just the Sega Saturn version that's like this?
Considering Quake 2 was only ported to the Playstation and N64, you tell me, Anon.

>>3836785
the plot thickens

Satanism is a religion of peace.
Post cute demons

>>3836785
I had Quake 2 on the Playstation. I loved it back then, used to play split screen deathmatch with a group of friends.

Are there any 4chan/meme-themed WADs?
I'm aware of MOONMAN.WAD, but I'm looking for something a little more tasteful.

>>3836801
I think there's a set of wads that "take place" on the Doomworld forums or some nonsense like that?

>>3836801
there's a /pol/ wad

>>3836801
There's the /pol/ WAD, but that's probably the least tasteful one we have.

>>3836801
>4chan wads
Yes.

>meme-themed wads
Also yes.

>4chan meme wads
Oooonly /pol/.wad and Moonman comes to mind.

>>3836792

>>3836410
>But the downside is you have to play Doom 2 to use it.
Not if you're playing some cool wad file like Alien Vendetta.

>>3836801
>>3836817
>>3836819
>>3836836
Would Trump Doom count?

>>3836410
That's an upside.

>>3836819
>>3836836
>>3836817
Just played pol.wad

The niggers throwing watermelons are very unbalanced, but other than that, a very fun play.

>>3836874
I think Trump Doom is more 8ch than 4ch, but either way yes, it's surprisingly good.

>>3836353
Quake 1 rocket launcher, easily.
>rocket jumps
>high damage output. Can one shot freshly spawned players in DM
>large splash damage radius, useful for clearing groups of enemies and doing damage around corners
>massive knockback. Can pop enemies into the air, leaving them open to midair combos
>is literally a penis

The Doom 2 and Quake 2 super shotguns are up there, too. Quake 1 SSG is trash, sadly.

I'm playing around with Weapons of Saturn,

Why can't I adjust bob amount? I can change bob speed, but when I try to adjust idle bobbing it just... doesn't do anything, and when I try to adjust bobbing while moving, nothing above 0.25 makes a difference.

Also, how do I get the hud they're using here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2npH8JvpkUg
I tried downloading the hud from https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=36821 this thread, but when I use it it just looks like the vanilla doom hud, so it won't show alternative ammo or ammo in magazines.

>>3836560
>We've already done Scythe 1 and 2
Try Alien Vendetta.

As far as other good wads, Back to Saturn X and Strange Aeons are pretty sweet, but I'm not sure how'd they play in co-op.

Is BTSX co-op friendly? Does anybody know?

>>3836874
>>3836880
>The President is a meme

We're living in a memepunk dystopia.

>>>/vg/

>>3836792
>Post cute barrels
ftfy

>tfw you spend the whole day fucking around making a cool thing in ACS and you can't even use it because it chugs the game too hard
RIP in pepperoni concentric circle fear system thing, even though you raped my framerate sometimes you were a pretty cool guy. At least it let me optimize some other parts of the code by copying stuff I did for this.

>>3836921
Both BTSX episodes are co-op friendly, AFAIK.

Well at least I did something useful. It's now 10000% easier to make custom monsters work with the fear/sync system and the gore now has a cleanup timer that varies from 5 seconds to 5 minutes or can be turned off altogether.

>>3837064
Is it possible for you to have a gore limit?

>>3837069
Limit? Like a limit to how much spawns in? I mean I suppose but making new stuff replace old stuff might be harder since ACS fucking sucks for data structures.

>>3835795
How do you make the window for GZDoom larger without changing the proportions?

>>3836232

i'm not gonna lie lads, I love DOOM 4

I'm fascinated the reworked DOOM I & II textures. Can't get enough of them.

>>3837081
It's surprising what flipping a texture upside-down can do.

>>3837081
>can't use runes outside of single player campaign and the dope arcade mode

Moving faster after glory kills, gaining 12 armor on glory kill, and performing glory kills faster makes the game so much more enjoyable. Shame you can't use them in snapmaps as far as I've seen.

>>3837081
Doom 4 is pretty good, especially since everyone just assumed it would be a shitty and insulting Halo clone with demons. Glory kills are still dumb but I love the way some hidden areas are based on the original games textures and graphics.

>>3837073
I'd also like to know. I want to play in proper fullscreen without the black border, and nothing seems to fix it in the options unless I'm being retarded and missing something.

>>3836920
Press the + button in-game to get the fullscreen hud.

>>3837101
>especially since everyone just assumed it would be a shitty and insulting Halo clone with demons.

At the very least, no matter what anyone says/thinks, Doom 4 had a fucking final boss with an actual health bar and more attacks than "shoot player, melee player." Halo didn't pull that shit off till 2 and even then you just run around a tiny platform while a bipedal blue pigbear tries to smash you with a hammer; doesn't even have a health bar, not that he'd need it with his "3 hits and I'm dead" ass.

Snapmap is also my shit. Got them infection game modes in that giant yellow box, where all the buildings are built out of scenery and random shit, that shit is a lot of fun.

>>3837081
doom 4 is a good game but people need to stop pretending it's a return to form just because there isn't health regen and you run kinda fast. it really doesn't feel any more like doom than doom 3 did. more like painkiller or marathon with a gorey, doom-ish theme

>>3836618
Its spencer mansion from resident evil

>>3837125
i prefer bosses without health bars desu. makes the relief greater when they finally go down

>>3836415
Its spencer mansion REmake version. Just a map or a TC?

>>3837084
The bone scenery, the hell halls filled with skills on the walls and the skin patches are awesome. The wall computers are a great reimagination of the uac textures

They even made the flesh gloop from DOOM III reappear. A shame it's not moving like it did in the original game

Only things I haven't seen so far are the flesh walls with guts and eyes on them and the moving faces

>>3837101
considering the nature of 3d twitch shooter movement and that demons are now super fast, glory kills are practically a necessity. i'm playing on hurt me plenty (hardest difficulty possible when you start playing) and there's simply not enough health lying around to make.

I mean, Hell Knights have uncancellable area of effect attacks. Run out of space and you'll get raped.

With that said disabling visible

>>3837147
I think it approximates DOOM as much as it's possible for a true 3d twitch shooter to do so. Getting any closer would mean sacrificing gameplay.

>>3837151
If they actually have a way to indicate you're doing damage then cool. I remember the first time I fought the cyberdemon I didn't understand why nothing was happening, and I thought I was doing something wrong until I got him to flinch once. IIRC in the Halo 2 example, the final boss does not flinch or anything.

>>3837147
Definitely. I'm sure most people realize they used the property's reputation to bump up the title. Oh, and they just used the existing ideas for enemies, guns, lore(hah), setting, (main)character(s), plot, and mechanics is all... that's all. It is a fun game though.

>>3837163
>Getting any closer would mean sacrificing gameplay.
nah. the thing about doom 4 (and painkiller) is that it treats enemies more as a timesink for you to use while you jump around the arena the game locks you in rather than direct obstacles like they were in doom 1/2. a lot of people seem to like it but i think it feels kinda forced and lazy (at least level design-wise). like i feel like i'm playing a multiplayer map with a demon-spawning mutator turned on instead of actual campaign maps with any kind of non-story-driven forward momentum.

>>3837147
I'd like to see them do another game in the style of Quake 2. Quake 4 was shit.

>>3837178
This might just be me making assumptions based on off-hand comments from one or two people and combining those with old sales numbers, but I don't think Id are interested in returning to Stroggos anytime soon.

What's the most popular multiplayer shit in the community? Stronghold? Invasion? I just want to get into something that isn't dead.

>>3837175
+it's like they made some weak compromise between singleplayer fps mechanics and multiplayer fps mechanics to appease as much of the audience as they could, and because of it doesn't feel particularly strong in either regard

glory kills are neat little spectacles i guess but theyre pretty superficial when it comes to gameplay

>>3837185
Well they haven't done a singleplayer Quake game in 20 years but I can dream.

>>3836921
BTSX is coop friendly, though I'd suspect only E1 is currently well balanced for it, considering its recent final release.

>>3837163
>Getting any closer would mean sacrificing gameplay.

I'm all in favor of Doom 4 but this is very dumb to say. How would it be sacrificing gameplay to play more like traditional Doom?

>>3837197
i think he's implying that i was saying it doesn't feel like doom because there aren't slaughtermap-tier enemy counts which wasn't what i was saying at all

>>3837175
>demon activity detected
>lockdown engaged
It's a bit lazy, yeah, but let's not pretend Doom has magically been free from enemies spawning in an arena you're stuck until 4 came along. I found myself wanting more arena type stuff as I went along since simple jumping puzzles wasn't as fun as the actual shooting.

Thankfully they've got snapmap stuff with those progressively unlocking survival maps so you're not stuck in the same rooms over and over.

>>3837197
I couldn't turn into a Caco in the original Doom. Or mouselook.

>>3837197
To be fair no one equates actual Doom gameplay to the series anymore because no mouselook and hitscan enemies wouldn't sell.

>>3837206
doom 4 could've done with some hitscan enemies t.b.h

>>3837175
yeah enemy monsters being unavoidable is definitely a con

but all things considered, the levels do have does have way more monsters than the map would allow to place at game start. They also work in numbers (specially since the DOOM heavy hitters are much more squishy now) where you have to learn to combine killing big dudes with imp crowd control, else you WILL get mowed down by fireballs.

Some levels are more open tho', argent refinery and argent treatment are almost 100% open with backtracking involved and the possibility of escaping enemy waves.

But yeah, later levels could use teleporting the occasional enemy instead of dropping them all in one room.

One thing i didn't like is enemy missiles being completely useless. The cyberdemon's rockets barely have AoE and the revenant barely registers as an enemy.

>>3837178
The Hell levels made me want to see a Quake 1 made with current ID Tech.

>>3837197
Because DOOM is 2.5d and DOOM 4 is true 3d? There's an entire new layer of movement that must be accounted for, enemy projectiles are now x10 harder to dodge, which is probably why we don't have any hitscanners besides the OP af shotgun guy that can only be quickly disposed of with a plasma rifle mod.

>>3837209
+it's like modern devs just cant find the obvious compromise between cover shooter and run-n-gun gameplay that already existed for years prior. so you either get a boring wait-to-pop-out-at-the-right-time-to-win shooter or an equally as boring run-around-in-circles-to-win shooter

Never really gotten into anything besides Vanilla Doom & Doom 2.

Are there any WADs that really change up the scenery?

I want to see locations other than...

>UAC Base
>Hell

I want to see towns or forests or something.

>>3837147
>>3837175
I have to agree. One of the things I LOVE about classic FPSs of the 90's is the explorable dungeon-like level design. Doom 2016 is fun, but it basically threw away the adventure element, and turned it into a pure arcadey experience.

>>3837219
hellbound. it does have a tech base and ends in hell but it's got some really interesting transitional areas with amazing atmosphere especially considering it's boom-compatible

>>3837216
I see no cover shooter elements in DOOM 4 tho'. Certain enemies make sure of that - unless you find a spot in the map that screws their pathing you will get swarmed the moment you stop moving.

honestly I haven't had this much fun in a FPS since

>>3837219
>Are there any WADs that really change up the scenery?

There's entire megawads dedicated to map porn.

there's even completely different textures.

Really the DOOM mod community should have a fucking museum dedicated to it. So much stuff has become almost impossible to keep track of it all.

>>3837147
> and you run kinda fast.
there's a powerup that makes you sanic fast

the real speed is in z movement. Double jump was one of the best additions to the game. Completely changed the gameplay and allowed for really fun arena designs.

>>3837225
*since metro 2033 came out

>I see no cover shooter elements in DOOM 4 tho
..yes, this was my point. it goes too far into run-n-gun territory and just feels like a ceaseless run-big-circles-around-everything-and-shoot-until-everything-dies simulator. some aggressive hitscan enemies would've forced you to think more strategically about how you move, which is what id seemed to understand making doom 1/2. everyone bitches about chaingunners but i think the strategic changes they add to the gameplay is fucking brilliant, along with p much every other doom 2 enemy.

>>3837225
>there's a powerup that makes you sanic fast
i think i've emphasized enough here but all the powerups just feel like some weak nostalgic pandering to the quake 3 crowd or something. i want to feel like i killed a room full of demons out of my own quick-thinking and skill, not because i got the quad-damage perk at the right time. shit like that really only works in multiplayer.

>people shitting on Doom 4 for being like Painkiller

Well, I know what you mean. Exploration is the best and I miss it.

But.

Painkiller was fucking fun, okay? And so is Doom 4.

>>3837219
BTSX is still UAC Base in its first episode, but it uses an entirely new texture set, with none of the stock ever used. Episode 2 is naturalistic environments and temple ruins.

>>3837219
Ancient Aliens might be a good choice.

>>3837236
I don't deny that Doom 4 is fun. I just don't think it ticked all the boxes.

>>3837224
>hellbound
The city map in that is so good. If Doom 2's cities had been like that it might have actually been a good game.

>>3836921
I love this picture very much! Is there a low res version of this image using doomguy's sprite, with low res blanket and such

>>3837163
>With that said disabling visible
Disabling visible what?

>>3837230
>think more strategically about how you move, which is what id seemed to understand making doom 1/2.

I see your point but I don't see how it applies to DOOM 1 & 2. Hitscanners never made me cover, only escape enemies in rooms then open the door to get one shot in and hide again, since you are faster than everyone else and enemies generally wouldn't leave their assigned rooms,

Only enemy in the DOOMs that made me run for cover is the archvile for obvious reasons and the mastermind. The zombies were always a "kill fast, kill first" ordeal, unless they were strategically placed in some corridors to backstab you for not being careful. And even then archviles had pillars to hide in for one second so you could cancel their attack then keep moving.

I don't know how you can see cover elements in the game that invented both twitch shooting and crowd control gameplay.

>>3837235
you can do what by gitting gud. In fact it's a very nice self imposed challenge, some arenas are specifically designed to fuck you in the ass so playing them without power ups is specially challenging.

I think the most important part of DOOM 4 is how every enemy has specific strategies. you will get destroyed if you fight a mancubus in close range, hell knights are close range fighters that ensure you stay on the move, imps are sneaky fuckers that will always get a shot on you from every direction and will always be the last enemy standing in the lockdown moments, soldiers have hard to dodge aoe cannons that stops you from cover shooting, the shotgunguy acts as a literal wall that can survive even missiles, requiring you to swtich to particular weapons to kill him. Getting hit by a caco will make you slow therefore reachable by hell knights, and pinkies are now trick enemies.

>>3837254
A lot of the areas that had power-ups in Doom4 I ended up holding onto them like a potion in a JRPG. I kept thinking, "but what if there's another wave?" And I'd end up not using it at all.

>>3837236
Very few people would seriously argue that Painkiller was fun, but Doom it certainly wasn't.

Ultimately, the debate isn't whether Doom 4 was a good game (it is), the debate is more whether it's a good Doom.

>>3837254
i'd see what you mean about not covering from hitscanners if we were just talking doom 1 here. i mentioned chaingunners specifically because theyre explicitly made to prevent you from just running around the whole time and force you to take cover intermediately whilst also dealing with projectile onslaught. and even from decent ranges theyre still a threat so it's not as easy as just immediately taking them out. the only enemy i'd call plain fodder are the regular zombiemen. & just so we're clear here, i'm not using cover shooter mechanics as an insult like a lot of /vr/ users do. i'm saying that a seriously good shooter needs a balance of both run-n-gun AND cover shooter gameplay and nowadays devs feel the need to funnel them into two completely different genres.

>>3836560
The Memento Mori megawads were designed with co-op in mind, to the point where there are several secrets that are impossible to get alone unless you add jumping or cheat. There's even at least one map where the players start in different rooms and have to converge halfway in.

>>3837254
>you can do what by gitting gud. In fact it's a very nice self imposed challenge, some arenas are specifically designed to fuck you in the ass so playing them without power ups is specially challenging.
i shouldn't have to force myself to not use the tools the game devs give me in order to feel accomplished.

i will agree that pinkies are done a lot more interestingly in doom 4 than any doom title prior.

>>3837282
>There's even at least one map where the players start in different rooms and have to converge halfway in.

I love this stuff

>>3837264
There's two areas where I couldn't win without using the power up

one was when you get the BFG - you think you are done then you are put in a closed area with the bruiser brothers with no other resources, the second was in lazarus labs where you get so many imps from all sides that if you didn't take

>>3837284
>i shouldn't have to force myself to not use the tools the game devs give me in order to feel accomplished.

powerups aren't even that good most of the time, you still die after getting hit more than four times by anything other than an imp or a soldier. they just make you more killy. Basically I save them for mancubi and pray that it's bersek, because even quad damage will fall short when you get swarmed.

it's interesting, the pacing is fast enough that killing them enemies isn't as important as getting to the next enemy fast enough

>>3837278
I think the closest we ever got to mixing both was Crysis 1. But I honestly can't recall shooters mixing like that. Either you have twitchs, cover shooters or less combat centric fps.

Are you guys gonna participate in the next vinesauce doom contest?

>>3837219

http://www.doomworld.com/10years/bestwads/

How do I change weapons in Strife? I literally pressed every single key on the keyboard and nothing worked.

>>3836353
Flak Cannon

>>3837305

If he doesn't take half a year, I might.

This is your daily reminder to take the DaiPill.

>>3837282
Map29 of MM1 was designed almost purely for coop, that single player had to include a linedef (its blocked by torches in coop) that opens up the map and gives the player the red key early.

>>3837324
But I can't leave without my buddy Superfly

>>3837324
Retards turn the sidekicks off then complain the game wasn't even that bad as they said. Well no shit sherlock, you deactivated everything wrong with it.

>>3837273
>Ultimately, the debate isn't whether Doom 4 was a good game (it is), the debate is more whether it's a good Doom.

Pretty much this.

>>3837329
Reminder Elite Force came out the same year and had much less annoying sidekicks.

>>3837282
>>3836560
>>3836921
>>3837000
>>3837196
>>3837298

We should have /vr/doom co-ops at some point.

I'd set one up right now but some friends have roped me into playing some modded Minecraft.

>>3837336
>elite force
Wish it had a coop mode... EF2 has a coop mod, but it's not that good. I mean it functions, but it's kinda clunky

>>3837282
>There's even at least one map where the players start in different rooms and have to converge halfway in.

Reminds me of that Jailbreak Lost Planet 2 level. Two players start in a broken cell with only pistols and a bunch of guards breathing down their necks, the other two start on the roof with full gear and work their way down to the other two players. Then everyone completes the rest of the level together.

I know it's not DOOM or /vr/ related, but many LP2 was my shit

>>3837354
There used to be a lot of playing on BE servers years ago, but that's all dwindled out now.

>>3837329
>you deactivated everything wrong with it.
Nah. Just most of everything wrong with it.

Ignoring performance and crash issues or the awful save gem system which I believe have been fixed and ironed out on modern versions, the other top contenders off the top of my head are the stupid leveling system, the constant bullshit tiny flying enemies, and how almost every single weapon in the game can kill you with some being practically just as dangerous for yourself as they are against enemies.

>>3837329
If the official patches put it in, then I disagree, it's an option you have.
If it's only in the Unofficial patch, then yeah it was still bad, but you can still find a hidden gem under it.

RRRRAMPAGE TIME!

https://a.uguu.se/IK5ptMcFPkeL_OB_4LVL_ExtremeNutsToughOpenRampage5000.wad

A temporary 24 hour link for a Doom 2 oblige wad of pure carnage.

4 EXTREME size levels, each with 1000 monsters, truckloads of ammo, health and no puzzles or keys to slow you down. Wreck some shit!

>>3837230
I agree with you very much.

>>3836353
As much as I love Doom's SSG, Unreal's Flak Cannon takes the cake for me.

>>3837219
I wanna see a megawad take place in the countryside

>>3837432
/vr/ mp did kinda die out with BE.
I usually have a server running. I'm hosting svencoop right now though.

>>3837559
Not just that, but the general interest in playing overall declined.

Speaking of which, how are Z& mods holding out?

>>3837564
Dunno. I usually just host maps and Hexen.

>>3837564
To my knowledge it's still the usual.

Hard for me to find a good server when almost everything is a survival on a slaughtermap where you wait like half an hour for like two guys to finish a map through attrition only for you to spawn in for about a second before being killed and repeating the process.

>>3837564

Zandronum's total lack of updates doesn't help.

>>3837559
Why not use http://allfearthesentinel.net/ for /vr/ MP? I think its the next incarnation of BestEver

>>3835796
Thought I should inform the news post of this fact

>>3837602
it's hardly news.

>>3836353
The Half-life shotgun really clicks with me for some reason (The vanilla one of course). The Strife submachine gun feels comfy as fuck. And lastly, I gotta go with the Doom double shotty.

>>3837605
It may not be news, but it's good to know that BE is still alive in some way

>>3837282
I can vouch for MM2. The original eventually turned me off because of consistently mediocre combat and layouts, but the sequel's a lot more consistent. Both packs have music to die for.

This Wednesday I had a little LAN with friends and we played through Kuchitsu. It's good stuff for less-experienced Doomers, though short.

>>3837242
Valiant also has the varied-episodes theme going for it. I just finished Lunatic and enjoyed the fun, zippy Moon setting which benefits from a good skybox.

And since it just came out, Brigandine's great at using Doom II textures in a new way (lots of detail porn which blends in very well).

>>3837665
>Both packs have music to die for.

Playing MM1 tonight, actually. Holy shit Map10 and its song were so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ85g73g6Yw

>>3837665
>consistently mediocre combat and layouts

I could give you that MM1 has its share of duds, but consistently mediocre? I strongly disagree here.

>>3837678
I love the music on map10, but map10 itself is a bit meh. Good thing map24 and 32 use the midi aswell.

>>3837336
>>3837398
How is the level design in Elite Force and which of the two games are better? Every video I've seen of the games seem to take place in the corridors of a starship which gives me the impression that the game is very repetitive, not unlike Halo's indoor levels

>>3837686
I get the feeling it would make for a nice deathmatch map if you had enough players. Just hunting down everyone in the mansion. If jumps are enabled people can escape by leaping out windows or into the river. Might be fun.

>>3837683
For whatever reason the middle section wore on me and I ended up ditching right around MAP28. Still, I don't mind playing and recommending it, but MM2's doing more for me.

>>3837678
MM2 doesn't have Galaxy unfortunately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7amJdyQTxE

>>3837709
>that level near the end of MM2 where they remix the first level song of MM1

>>3837219
Try Doom Vacation.

>>3837314
how about you bind the buttons in the options, or if using the DOS version, the setup.

Is there any way to play Doom 1 with the enhancements of Brutal Doom, but nothing else changed? Like so I can still pick my own starting mission, etc., like when you play the game normally?

>>3837761
Forget it, I must have had an error the first time I tried it. Works now.

>>3837762
>>3837761
What did he mean by this?

>>3837709
MAP28 is one of the best maps in MM1, though.

>>3837761
Just play Doom 1 with BD? You can still select your episode as normal.

If you meant how to play BD with normal weapons, select 'classic' Doomguy in the New Game menu.

Or, if you want to play BD with just the gore, no new weapons or changed monsters, don't use BD use Ketchup.

Do maps nowadays use all that fancy OpenGL stuff? I never made the jump to gzdoom and still use zdoom but I'm interested in Ancient Aliens and a bunch of other new maps.

>>3837805
Most modern maps tend to just be for PrBoom+. And outside of maybe a few Russian maps, don't often need GL rendering at all outside of getting a better framerate.

Ancient Aliens I'd argue looks better in software rendering, too.

Semi-Off Topic but still relevant based on IP:So apparently there's word spreading around that a sequel to Wolfenstein The New Order is in development. And apparently the codename is Colossus which apparently refers to a poem that B.J. quotes in TNO a few times. Anyone else hype? Will it be shit? Personally I hope they finally let us fight Hitler who is somehow not dead or it turns out the boss from W3D was a stunt double or some shit? I don't remember.

Sorry for the Semi-Offtopic but I don't see many places talking about this information, though for all I know it's all made up bullshit that someone pulled out of their ass. I just read it online somewhere.

Someone pls help me i cant fucking run brutal doom and i dont know why

>>3837828
It won't work. Download his starter pack, it has an older version I think.
Mark is a shitty coder so it won't run. v20c will be compatible with the new gzdoom-version.

>>3837828
>MoonMan.wad
>pol.wad
>brutalv20b.pk3
wew Andree

>>3837824
MachineGames were gun-shy about the whole Hitler thing in TNO - not for political reasons, but because they figured that once you introduce ol' Adolf to a story, it becomes irreversibly ABOUT him, and they wanted to tell a story about BJ and his merry troupe instead.

I don't see that changing in The New Colossus (which was hinted at the very start of the Bethesda E3 2016 show! See image)

>it's another "the modder made an incredibly obnoxious labyrinth of a map that makes zero fucking sense" episode

>>3838030
Eh, a man can dream.

But because I feel like arguing it. Technically Wolfenstein 3D isn't even about hitler until the 3rd episode. the first is about hans and escaping castle wolfenstein and the second is about defeating doctor schabbs.

And i'm unsure if hitler even shows up in any of the modern wolfenstein games. I don't recall it if he does.

>>3836560
Okay if you dont mind lotr spilled on your doom

>>3838039
He doesn't, outside of portraits and the occasional namedrop. I'm pretty sure Wolfenstein 3D was his only in-person appearance in the series... turns out robot armor really sticks in the mind.

>>3837824
>a sequel to Wolfenstein The New Order
Oh boy more horrible gunplay with boring weapons, hitscanning damage sponge enemies and grim'n'bloom.

>>3838039
>>3838043

He appears in Beyond Castle Wolfenstein as well but that's a ghetto as fuck 8 bit isometric thing that's not an FPS.

Also of note

>Hitler's minor and ambiguous presence in The New Order reflects Bethesda's decision to sell it in Germany, where all references to Nazis were replaced with references to the Wolven League for legal reasons.

>>3838050
I think they just called the Nazis "the regime" in the German version. I'm pretty sure the Wolven stuff was in Wolf09 during the Activision era (and even then the game got banned because they forgot to scrub a swastika off of one texture, lmbo)

>>3837219
Check the cacowards.

Also hellground, not to be confused with its hellbound kin.

>>3837828
Do you get the blood.txt error? If so, open the brutal doom mod in 7zip, open blood.txt and change the values. You can see here what you have to change:

http://www.moddb.com/forum/thread/brutal-doom-bug-on-gzdoom

What's the best .wad you've ever played, /vr/?

I'm really, really fucking liking Going Down.

>>3838082
Cyriak's a pretty gud doom mapper. wonder when he'll strike next?

i guess we can all agree that this is going to be...a pretty interesting year when it comes to games like wolfenstein

i don't mind if hitler is denied once again, but to finally include him back in the franchise, even as "mr. staatmeister", would be quite a message

>>3837824
>Sequel to W:TNO
>BJ dies in that game's ending

So uh... who will be the hero then? Or will they retcon the dead or come up with some bullshit reason to keep him alive?

>>3838106
Who knows.

But it is SEMI implied he may have survived somehow as you can hear a helicopter presumably coming to pick you up at the complete end.

>>3838106

also (actual spoilers): the voice actor for BJ teased that he may be doing extra work for an upcoming sequel, and also the voice actor for BJ's love interest in New Order is also back

>>3838106
maybe he becomes a cyborg?

>>3838106
>who will be the hero then?
Most probably a new character, either black or a woman.

> allies use stolen nazi prototype plans for the mecha-hitler suit to use on the royally fucked B.J. to save him from death
that'd be cool

>>3838107
>>3838113
>>3838117
I just rewatched the TNO ending and BJ straight up takes a grenade to the face, drags his tired bloody body and mind to watch as his buddies leave him for dead and he's all like "I'm so tired and ready to fucking die now".

With that, seems like in the sequel he'll start in a nazi prison as a captive, maybe kept alive by the nazi's, tortured and maybe experimented on.

>>3838036
Just stick to Knee-Deep in the Dead

>>3838130
Oh yeah, I just remembed that BJ was also injected with a lethal poison before the ending too, so he's like totally legit fucked.

>>3838136
>>3838130
Actually my character BJ Blastowicks has been injecting himself with poison and grenades for years.

>>3838137
I injected a grenade once, I woke up without an arm and kept hearing "ass to ass" echoing in the distance.

>>3838117
>FrankenBlazko
Might be rad.

>Try Quake after playing Doom for a few days
It feels tougher somehow, but I think that's due to all the grenade enemies everywhere. Health pick ups seem more generous, but then everything also seems to do way more damage. Loving the atmosphere though.

>>3837824
I'd be more interested in a reboot/remake of Quake. But if Wolfenstien is getting a sequel then maybe Doom 16 will be getting one sooner than we thought, and that's great.

>>3838180
No more fucking reboots.

>>3838181
not without proper protection.

>>3835795

Dear /vr/doom

who ever left this on /TG/, i need to say thank you.

>>52012246

>>3838164
That idea kinda reminds me of Quake 4, but spanning across two games rather than one and a totally different IP, obviously.

>>3838191

well crap here's the link

>>>>/tg/52012246

>>3837689
Elite Force 1 is better because it's Quake 3 with star trek guns.

>>3838208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFtmcX5IvcM

:o

>>3838212
>walking everywhere instead of strafe jumping
disliked and alt+f4'd

I finished DOOM 4.

Gotta, say, the final level felt underwhelming, or perhaps I was tired of playing it for like 8 hours straight.

>>3838208
yes but


can you strafe jump???

post stuff

>>3838220
Yes but they disabled it in EF2 singleplayer which is another reason as to why its inferior.

Hey guys, I want to host my wad on the Zandronum master server. It's not working, can someone give me a tutorial? Also I did successfully host via Zandronum @ MIRC din the past, but MIRC won't let me use it since I'm not registered, is there an alternative to bypassing this? Please help

How do I actually run ZScript files with GZDoom? Trying to use Nash's dukeshadows mod

>>3838227

>>3838234
are you using the 2.4 prerelease?

>>3838236

>>3838242
I got the latest Git build, yes

>>3838247
just tried it myself and it worked for me. just drag the whole folder onto the gzdoom exe

>>3838175
Quake is the result of a failed RPG being hurriedly turned into an FPS. It actually turned out better than it should have all things considered.

>>3838257
Didn't work, but I turned the zip into a pk3 and now it runs. Weird

>>3838263
yeah i dont think you can run zcript from zips like you can with wads

>>3838245

>>3838229

bump, can anyone help me? I like to setup something today if i could

>>3838196
easiest way to make a cross-board link: right-click on "No." above the source post (before the post number), choose Copy Link Location, then paste the link into the post on the target board.

how does the respawn work in nightmare mode?

>>3838302
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Spawning

>>3838217
not the guys from earlier but nah, it really is undermining. literally one arena battle to start off and other three, one right after the other.

really fun to blaze through with the fast glory kill+glory kill speed boost+air control runes equipped though. just wished they'd gone for something a bit more epic and less formulaic.

>>3838317
yeah I think the last two levels felt somewhat tired out.

The highest point of the game to me was Lazarus Labs and Advanced Research Complex, really fun to play in those. Map wise, Argent refinery and Argent processing were top of the bunch. Hell was visually impressive but it didn't feel really special.

I guess it's still a bethesda game after all. They did manage to pull it off quite decently considering your average game by the company and the fact that reboots either suck or are great.

also one thing I want really loved was the engine. ridiculously high graphics yet the game only lagged once on a 2013 PC running below recommended GPU specs. John Carmack is a god.

>>3838082
anon once suggested i do demonsteele on newgothic movement

i can still hear the death cries of the damned, sometimes

Has anyone actually coded playable Co-op Deathmatch yet?

Also any actually good looking Doom 2 shirts that aren't just the Icon of Sin?

>>3838393
>Giant Infight in 3..2..

cool picture though

>>3838269
In short, you have to port-forward your router to 10666 so Doomseeker can see your game and list it. See item 18 in this list for deets: https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2483

Should be the same process if you're using the internal browser?

>>3838393
I'm really picky about reference t-shirts, but I've seen a simple UAC-logo tee out there which I might get.

>>3837064
I love how it looks!! do you have a download link?

Did you know that Mike's making a brand new hentai game in the Doom engine?

Monster Girl Quest 3D or something

http://hdoomguy.tumblr.com/tagged/mystuff

>>3838393
>Has anyone actually coded playable Co-op Deathmatch yet?
How...does that work?

I never played DOOM online, i'm sort of a mod rat that likes to dig up weird total conversions

how does it differ from normal gameplay?

>>3838404
I know most graphic T's look like shit, and i'd probably get the Doom 2 title screen if it looked anywhere as cool as the original box art.
The Icon of Sin seems like a perfect pic as it's not totally obscure, but it's not obvious. I just wish I could get something like this which wasn't square and sorta transparent in places, and had the DOOM 2 logo on the back.

>>3838412
Watch the Devs Play DoubleFine did with John Romero on Doom to hear him talking about it.

The idea is it's co-op, but people deal full damage to one another. However, the only point you can get in a level is for making it to the exit. So you'll have to fight the monsters together, but fight each other to get the exit.

He talks about it here: https://youtu.be/rV6HlBa88js?t=13m12s

So you'd be playing maps like Chasm,
>"OH MY GOD HE'S GOING FOR THE EXIT"
>Running for your life, stopping on a dime trying to reach the exit on those skinny rails.

>>3838426

That sounds like it'd get very awful very quick, desu.

Is TerminusEst's podcast gud?

>>3838426
you'd hang back as much as possible letting others do the work and retaining full health, even hiding somewhere convenient, then blast them at the last minute and dash for the exit. it's a game mode for sociopaths, like Last Man Standing.

>>3838432
it's nice as background stuff

>>3838432
Intermission? Yeah, it's neat. Everyone bounces off each other pretty well. Kinsie needs to stop talking over everybody else though like god damn.

>>3838432
intermission is inoffensive as far as podcasts go, i m o.
if you're looking for something with meaty topics and serious discussion, not really much to find. it's just a handful of guys shooting the shit about what they've been playing and stuff that's been happening recently.

>Hylics attack animation as weapons in Doom

>>3838461
Nobody on this board will be excited as me because I'm sure I'm the only person who has played Hylics here

>Looking at Metadoom's thread on Zdoom's forum
>Seeing this talk about including Quad Damage and new enemies
>The latter may never happen unless someone makes sprites for these enemies
>Quad Damage's inclusion may be hard to deal with

>>3837824
They better bring BJ back, even if it features magic related shit

>>3838468
I have it, but need to actually try the game. Hylics TC would be cool as hell.

>>3838434
One way I'd see it working is a modified Invasion mode with more emphasis on traps waiting for players rushing to the end after clearing successive waves.

>>3838468
I bought it, played it for a bit and then forgot about it due to other stuff. The dialogue being partially randomized didn't help either. I do think Lindroth has quite a nice style, digitizing and dithering sculptures of clay.

>Memento Mori Map 4

It's really like I'm playing Hexen.

>>3838487
Not really, but the co-op switch secret near the start's such a tease. Just wait for MAP07 if you want switches.

>>3838404

I know that information, but if I host this way no one can join (even if the settings are correct) which is why i used the automatic dedicated server creator. it use to work for me in the past, but not anymore. No idea why

>>3838414
Essentially it's like playing single player, only with a bunch of dickheads...

>>3838537
>two players arrive at a door
>both press use nearly simultaneously
>door moves up slightly, immediately closes again
>this repeats 3 or 4 times until one guy has the sense to hang back
>usually at the same time the other guy hangs back
>return to start

>>3838414
On the subject of co-op, I've never tried Doom multiplayer. Wouldn't vanilla co-op be stupidly easy with two people running around the map? I get that there are maps and WADs made with co-op in mind, but the vanilla experience must suck.

Whenever i try Oblige, i feel like it could give the player more options control on stuff like:

>corridors and whether or not you want them to be straight lines
>mountains and shit
>bridges
>traps like crushers and platforms going down under liquids
>shapes of rooms (square, circle, star etc.)
>maybe copypasta-ing areas from the main games like an area that seems familiar because it was straight taken out of the games
>secrets that aren't just "touch a wall", so there's timed based secrets and areas that can be unnoticed

I feel like the options it gives makes it as if only certain things could be done with Doom's engine.

I don't know, maybe i just didn't properly explored Oblige and i'm expecting too much from a level generator.

Still better than SnapMap

Is it me or is Quake really short? The levels feel small and I'm near the end after about 4 hours with 3 of the runes of power and a good way into the fourth world.

>>3838468
Hylics is fucking great. Underrated-ass game.

What are the name of those fake 3D floors you see in old wads sometimes?

I remember them being used in AV map 23

>>3838793
https://www.doomworld.com/tutorials/fx8.php

>>3838809
or https://www.doomworld.com/tutorials/fx7.php

>>3838809
>>3838812
thanks

>>3838580
A lot of source ports add extra rules and let you set the penalty for dying.

You can opt to remove a dead character from play entirely until the next map, or allow them to respawn freely whenver.

Even if they can respawn, you can set penalties like deleting their keys, cutting their ammo in half, or making them lose all their weapons. You can also choose if they respawn where they died or back at start.

You're also free to play co-op on Nightmare mode. The respawning fuckers can still be a huge pain.

>>3838431
He played it on stream withy some German chums, looked pretty fun, frankly.

In Blood, does the tommy gun's alt-fire have any use? The animation is cool, but I see absolutely reason for it.

>>3838854
It shoots faster.

>>3838857
Or at least, I was under the impression it did until I took the time to actually verify it AFTER posting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbrtqSlCW8Q

so this is gzdoom gpl's debut on steam greenlight

not exactly the finest showing

>>3838854
It was from a time when most people didn't use mouselook and most mice at the time were shit with accuracy anyways. Don't bother with it unless you're playing keyboard only.

>mfw installing Russian Overkill and then playing it on Obliged-generated procedural slaughtermaps

YOU KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS. POST WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON.

WHAT ARE YOUR SPRITES LIKE? HOW'S YOUR MAPS DOING? YOU OPTIMIZE THAT CODE YET? YOU DOING SOMETHING FOR THAT GAME JAM THING? YOU LOGGED YOUR BUGS LAST NIGHT, RIGHT?

>>3838869
>skip a minute into the video
>instant 'CYKA BLYAT'
it's perfect

>>3838879
I might throw this away I don't know yet. I can't seem to ever truly finish a map.

>>3838879
>>3838886
>I might throw this away I don't know yet. I can't seem to ever truly finish a map.
I know that feel

>>3838879
Requesting that skelly sprite with no background

>>3838879
I'd post progress on Babel but I'm on my phone. Basically just optimizing and making the whole thing look really good. When I get home I'll be adding a neat effect to the archvile fire.

>>3838869
Russians sure do love flooding steam with garbage.

>>3838879

>>3838606
Isn't that about the same length as Doom and most other retro FPSs?

>>3838945
That is a very unusual-looking shotgun. What's the concept?

>>3838961
It just shoots.

>>3838963
A shoot...gun?

>>3838958
Doom 1 and 2 took me around 9 hours each. Granted it was easier to get lost in the later maps.

>>3838971
Yeah a shoot gun.

>>3838929
Russians are irl shitposters

>>3838973
Well, that's it then. It's almost impossible to get lost in Quake's maps unless you start playing them from the middle. They're extremely fluid and well-paced. The maps are a product of the refinement of the mappers' skills, just as their works in Doom were a refinement of their works in Wolf3D.

I wonder, did you take breaks in playing Quake and Doom, and if so, do you recall how often you were taking breaks in those 4 hours of playing Quake compared to 4 hours of playing either Doom game?

>>3839006
I'm going by steam hours played

>>3839042
>Steam

Please tell me at least you got a source port.

>>3836405
While the brown and grey in most modern games is a result of making games more "realistic", Quake's palette was intentionally muddy and purple and otherworldly because you are literally in a Lovecraftian realm of horror and undeath. That shit ain't gonna look pretty.

>>3839045
Naturally. GZDoom for Doom, Quakespasm for Quake.

I can't decide if I should use smooth doom or doom enhanced, I like both of them
so how do I frankenstein a mod out of the two? I have no experience with doom modding

>lead dev of D4D is a brony
Explains why Thanatos left. Spoilered for screencapped ponyshit.

>>3839141
At least he's using the better of the two 3D models.

>>3839049
>Hey John what's a Lovecraftian realm of horror and undeath look like?
>I don't know fuckin brown on everything

>>3838879
Uh. Hay bales I guess? Also mapping.

>>3839141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU3g26cLOxg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3DPFuE8uZo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tly1xl882wY

Look at the vid descriptions, too.

>>3839171
So the cord is wrapping around the sides, but sometimes a side doesn't have cord around it?

>>3839141
>judge me
Okay. Learn to fucking rig you piece of garbage.

>>3839173
I really didn't need to see that. Now I want to kill myself.

>>3839173
Now I'm going to end up side-eyeing D4D for the rest of my life.

>>3839174
Yeah, I'm doing something about that. I was going to not give a shit, but you're right...

>>3839141
>Judge me for what it's worth
Well that leg *is* utterly broken.

>>3839173
>She's thicker.
>She's bigger.
>She's more powerful.
>She could crush you so easily.
>And she demands obedience.
>...Delicious.

>>3839169
Seven years earlier, a colorful Lovecraftian film that was putrid and disgusting.

>>3839173
>She's thicker
>She's bigger
>She's more powerful, too

SHE'S THE FIRST MEMBER OF THE DK CREW

>>3839173
So what is it about cutesy animal characters that attracts turbo-autistic fetishes like macro and diapers?

>>3839191
They were too busy being rockstars to learn what a color wheel is.

>>3839203
Do you think Lauren Faust ever looks down at her creation and is horrified about what neckbeards have done to it?

>>3839208
Horrified at how unbelievably phat her wallet is

>>3839171
Hey what are the dark edges supposed to be? They look like where it's dirty or wet which makes sense at the bottom, but that's it.

Maybe think about it like texturing bevels onto a cube with top-down light and break up the light with random bits of straw.

>>3835795
How do I get Ultimate Brutal Arsenal to work? I have the wads, I have Brutal Doom, but when I try to use Ultimate Brutal Arsenal along with it it doesn't work.

>>3838879
>finally get home at 11pm
Fuck, anyway, more testing. Plus if I can get off my tired lazy ass I'll make a cool effect of the archvile fire where particles appear from the ground around the player and get swept into the fire and upwards.

*Drops everything to make a Mark Twain mod*

How do I get into mapping?

Every time I try, I just end up making a square room and putting random shit in it.

>>3839260
He looks like a fucking turtle, god dammit

>>3838879
The magical kingdom of love and happiness.

>>3839278
That's a start!
Look at some maps you like and how they're done.
Throw some random stuff together and see what works

https://youtu.be/qG2HwH1JkAI

32x soundtrack is underrated

>>3839296
>It sounds better than the real version

>>3839296
yeah man its the shit

>>3838879
Soon I will finally more or less finish the layout of this here map and FINALLY start replacing old things and placing new things. I also need to figure out how to make enemies and items spawn constantly(+ delay) for a pseudo-boss fight at the end.
>>3839141
Poor twalot. Her legs are not OK. This must be why she's so angry. Also, 3D succs. He should've posted a qt 2D pic.

I want r/cringeanarchy to leave.

>>3839141
>lead dev is a brony
Whoop dee doo.
People still care about this sort of thing?

>>3839296

DOOM 32x music > DOOM SNES music

Ooh yeah, I went there.

>>3839331
If you had cancer and the antidote was made by a brony, would you refuse the antidote just because a brony made it?
If so, the world would probably be a better place without you in it.

>>3839338
meant to be a reply to
>>3839141

>>3839338
>>3839350
til: doom mods are the equivalent of cancer antidotes

>>3839331
Technically Barneyfag does, and he's a Doom speedrunner too. Does he even post around here?

>>3839331
People will always care about referring to ponies for children as "delicious" with implied macrophilia.

>>3839141
This is why Barneyfags all need to fucking die

>>3839365
But it's okay when weebs and monstergirlfags do it, huh?

>>3839369
THERE'S THE BOY

>>3839353
are you implying your blood cells are NOT ripping and tearing your cancer from the inside while you play Doom?

>>3839369
well uh

hi

you play any doom lately

>>3839370
It's inherently less weird the more human your fetish is.

>>3839370

and what does that, I may ask, has to do with anything?

>>3839331
Mods do.
They're the ones who still care about enforcing Rule 15 FIVE years after the containment board was made.

>>3839382
The point of the containment board is to actively contain it, you have to clean up the mess that leaks out otherwise what's the point.

>>3839381
Weebs get intensely butthurt at any weird fetish if i's done by a western or furry artist and mgfags are the walking embodiment of denial.

>>3839382
TIL 4Chan mods care about a brony on the Z& forums

>>3838879
I can finally move up to the upper level and continue working there I think.

>>3839283
Damn son.

>>3839389
til: /vr/ mods don't give two fucks about unrelated drama

is hdoom gay

asking for a friend

>>3839393
Unfortunately _No

>>3839260
Why is Einstein holding a gun.

>>3839393
I don't believe there's a single big-dicked dickdemon to dick your dick-crazed friend

>>3839397
"E equals m c- CAP IN YO ASS NIGGA"

>>3839395
Gachimuchi Doom when

>>3839397
boutta buss one in the luminiferous aether

Original guy who posted the image of Major Cooke here, please fucking delete the post it was a mistake to even post it. I'm a shitposting addict I can't help myself sometimes.

>>3838408
Hey sorry, missed this. No link yet, I want to make sure I get it all nice and polished up first. However if you like that gore it's basically the exact same as Smooth Doom's gore, so you might like that.

>>3839406
Thanks janitor-kun

>>3839386
But like I said
>People still care about this sort of thing?
Well, mods do.

>>3839386
If it was going out of fashion and people really DIDN'T care about them, Rule 15 would've been abandoned and it would've been agreed upon that /mlp/ had become derelict and slow enough that they could roam free without harm. That's not the case though.

Janitor is the real MVP

>>3839417
When I asked if people cared about this sort of thing, what I meant to say was: do people still disregard a person's positive accomplishments when it is found out they are a brony?

I just seen some shit that's got me scratching my head.

Is Doom 2016 actually like Quake?

They must have some sort of logic behind their statement.

>>3839393
>>3839404
Is this relative to your interests?

https://mega.nz/#!cklR0QxJ!8YfuJu6mqWTs_Cj3y9Jnpv8QWuI3RBEHwyuB5m8Pq5U

>>3839437
OwO wat's this?

>>3839436
More like Serious Sam or Pain Killer, but more and better enemy variety, and better designed arenas. Lower enemies-per-arena though.

she's almost got it

>>3839439
Put it in your autoload and you'll notice their bulges

>>3839449
noice

>>3839437
Had to unrar the pk3 to get GZDoom to load it, did that pk3 work fine for you?

>>3839436
Doom 2016 is even less Quake than Doom, and I'm confounded when people use "they were making it more like Quake" as a defense against complaints that its not like Doom.

>>3839458
It doesn't.
That's strange.
Well, if running them separately works, that's fine.
Should fix that

>>3839457
I'm glad I put in an option to toggle them off because they murder the framerate on slaughter wads. Not that I'm any good at slaughter wads but still.

>>3839470
They also look way worse when the engine can't spawn them at the correct rate.

>>3839467
Well it's not that strange, ZDoom wiki doesn't mention RAR support and it's a proprietary format. Needs to be zip or 7zip.