/vr/ - Retro Games

play the original, it was one of the revolutionary new 3D fighters of the time.

If youre really interested, play the first two to get some grounding/backstory/familiar-ness.

3 is going to be the most playable though.

I recommend playing the first two at least once. Arcade Mode shouldn't take more than 20 minutes each.
I recommend spending a little more time on Tekken 2. There's some pretty good stuff there, and the narrator is pretty. Try to unlock every character, shouldn't take more than 2 hours. You can put number of Rounds on 1 to help.

>>3837285
*the narrator is pretty good
KAY-OOOOH
CONTINUE?

>>3837153
be a real man, go play virtua fighter 1

>>3837153
Anyone who's been exposed to more technical, more dynamic fighting games will quickly pass on tekken. Other top fighters, namely Street Fighter, KoF and MK have advanced impressively in their latest installments; but the relic that is tekken just can't seem to evolve, furthermore many combos can be done simply by hitting 1-button, and the nearly "instant-kill" rage art moves are just laughably broken. Instead of a supplying a proper fighting engine, matches in T7 seem to rely heavily on "who can get their rage move off first". So many elements of the gameplay don't even require any sort of skill. In my book, slow motion over and over again also gets old very quickly. And in the end, it's more of a novelty or gimmick rather than an actual, thought-out fighting game mechanic. But hey, the casual crowd will be pleased!

If you want something a little more "button-masher-friendly," tekken might be your cup of tea.... Key word, might.

>>3837153

Frankly I just didn't give a shit till 5. I know it's not retro but I could just never click with the other 4.

Coming from mostly 2D fighters, I long wanted to get into Tekken. So I started with 3 just recently. It's pretty cool, but it's hard to get used to high/low game, inputs like "while standing up", sidestepping, different move patterns, etc. etc.
Then there are characters I think are a bit too overcomplicated. Take Hwoarang for instance. Having not 2, but 4 different stances is just fucked up IMO. I can barely keep track of them all. Or Ling, I barely even could do anything with her without a guide. And all for what? A lot of a given character's moves will be shitty anyway. Take Jin, half his moves are unsafe or just bad; you have no reason to use all that high-hitting crap when you have vastly superior 3-hit mid punch which is also a fucking launcher.
Last but not least, 10-hit combos… My head is already full of useless command information, but remembering this stuff is just annoying. And if you don't think so, try to remember any of those button combinations now. 2D games at least have logical combo flow.
Still, I feel T3 can be a very good game if you learn it; it has deep stuff like parrying, all those tricky moves, and of course juggles are always fun.

>>3837604
I miss T3 single hit damage.

>>3837153
Play Tekken Tag, technically retro since Arcade version came out in '99

>>3837604
I barely play any other characters beside Xiaoyu but I totally understand. Though I never used the control list, it took me some time to master her moves.

>>3837157
No, it was a joke, specially near Virtua Fighter 2. And the first Tekken is one of the ugliest games I ever played.

Even crap like Toshinden was better than the first Tekken.

>>3837153
at least start for tekken 2

>>3837710
This.

Tekken Tag Tournament is the most fun you'll ever have with Tekken. As for the rest...

3 is pretty good.
2 and 4 are decent.
Haven't played Tag Tournament 2 so I can't comment on that.
Don't bother with the rest. They range from lame to terrible. Especially 5.

>>3837153
With every fighting game series, always start with the first game first. Play Tekken 1 for a bit, maybe a couple of hours. You'll start to get adjusted to it. After that, move onto Tekken 2 and you'll realise how much better it is. Not only will you have more fun than if you'd played Tekken 2 from the start, but you'll also be able to pick up on the mechanics (and in particular the improvement in mechanics) in contrast to Tekken 1.

After that, I'd recommend playing through with every character in every game, seeing who you prefer as you go along. Eventually, you'll end up with a few characters you want to main.

>>3838428
>With every fighting game series, always start with the first game first.

>>3838446
Fucking, being a sarcastic faggot would've been better If I didn't forget the image

>>3837546
twat

>>3837835
>crap like Toshinden

DELET

>Toshinden is still unironically one of my favorite fighting games

>>3837546
can someone fucking explain this to me already
how can people say tekken 3 is not as complex as other fighting games, what exactly makes it so?
I've not played a single fighting game in my life that isn't tekken, I'll freely admit that
I grew up with tekken 3 and only recently emulated it after many years
naturally being older I dug around a bit to see how the game should properly be played and I was fucking floored and the depth and complexity of the game (to which level I imagine the serious nerds play it)
all that shit about parrying and chickens and strings is mind-boggling
I tried mastering some of that stuff on one character (jin) because my "main" was bryan and apparently he's almost the worst character in the entire game, I didn't really get far

someone just please tell me what makes street fighter so much better than tekken
only experience I have with it is that video where the dude parries 12 attacks in a row on 0.5% health and it's really hype (really liked that video) but just from analyzing that fight (with help from some comments) I didn't find any more depth than tekken 3 has

I liked Tekken 2. It was refined, had the best Tekken intro, and was basically an arcade perfect translation along with Soul Edge. Namco ramped up the clockspeed for Tekken 3 arcade, but the PS version is regarded as one of if not the best in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qmU4wQqKQI

>>3838507
Sorry wrong one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVFnXKpiH5M

>>3837153
if you're interested in the story, play em all
if you want to play tekken wait for 7, there will be plenty of fresh blood at that point to play with

>>3838507
>Namco ramped up the clockspeed for Tekken 3 arcade, but the PS version is regarded as one of if not the best in the series.
No its fucking not T3 is a broken pile of shit, even tekken heads say its garbage, even a quick look on places like TZ could have told you this.
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=95302

>>3838516
>broken pile of shit
>one flaw

Yawn. You're the same faggot who always shits up the MK and SF threads, aren't you? Why don't you just go back to /v/ where you belong?

>>3838448
Do try SF1 first, though. You'd appreciate SF2 so much more afterwards, that's for sure, and understand a bit more about why SF2 was so revolutionary.

>>3838523
>one flaw
You just dont have a clue

>>3838516
I don't need a website to tell me how big the crowds were infant.

>>3838454
someone with fighting game experience pls reply to my essay I'm really curious about this

>>3838454
First off, you got baited. This is a copypasta, google it if you don't believe me. And yeah, it's not very true one.
Second, are 2D fighters really better? That's just a bait question. Both 2D and 3D fighters are very deep, and people play both competitively. They are both chess, not checkers.
Heck, the essence of 2D and 3D fighters is similar to an extent. High/mid/low/throw game (albeit with different rules), safe/unsafe moves and punishing, footsies, sometimes parry, etc. Even more advanced stuff like okizeme and frame traps are kinda similar between them. Both are very centered on the same things: reading your opponent, knowing your tools, playing respectfully, playing mixup, maintaining frame advantage, and so on.
There is more to both genres of course, but the basics are pretty similar. It's hard to say what's objectively deeper, but don't believe anyone saying 3D is shallow. People simply divide in camps about these games, because in order to get really good you need to commit to either 3D or 2D. Very rarely people play both. But 2D game players change them all the time, even Daigo played Guilty Gear some time ago.
That said… The balance in Tekken 3 does have its flaws and honestly, I'd say it was far from being polished enough. The gap between Jin/Heihachi and Bryan is baffling.

>>3837153
None of them.

>>3838545
Thanks for the reply.
And yea, I can see how balance is an issue for tekken 3 but that's another topic in my opinion. Lack of balance makes it a worse game overall but that doesn't change how much depth it has or doesn't have in its core gameplay.

>>3838454
It was the Virtua Fighter people who got upset. Granted VF2 was phenomenal. For the first time, Tekken 3 was stealing the show. VF3 was graphically superior to everything in the arcades at the time, but it wasn't as popular. I think by then arcades in the US were beginning to die.

>>3838454
Tekken is a very shallow game for multiple reasons (particularly the first 3 games) and it lacks many of the nuances of other fighting games, from the get go most of the characters in tekken all play the same with very little variation there is no archetypes, no zoner, no grappler, no rushdown everyone is homogenized and plays relatively the same with the same gameplan.
tekken also has a distinct lack of space control which is common in many other fighting games and is the cornerstone of good fighting game gameplay, instead 90% of the actual fighting is done at point blank range with players "taking turns" attacking each other, mostly in an attempt to land a launcher and then killing or almost killing the other player in 1 combo when they do.
The depth in tekken is also lacking, tekken has far less mechanics and intricacies than other fighting games, and it comes across as all flash and no substance (which is why the casual market for the game is so much bigger than the competitive one)

You can compare tekken to 2D fighters from the time like Vampire Savior, Alpha 3 and Third Strike and all of those games have deep gameplay with multiple interlacing mechanics and a wide variation of characters that all have unique play styles and move sets.
Or compare it to other 3D fighters at the time such as Bloody Roar which was so far ahead of tekken mechanically, tekken still hasn't caught up to it decades later.

In the end tekken has always been a shallow game aimed at casual players (not that theres anything inherently wrong with that) with the possible exception of the tag games.

>>3838450
Toshinden was awful.
But I like it too.

>>3838550
There were balance issues with Street Fighter 2. The autistic children screeching weren't even born yet.

>>3838545
No ones saying 3D games are shallow, people are saying, and correctly, tekken is shallow.

>>3837546

Calm your elite tits down, fruitcake. Also, the shit you brought up ain't vr.

Tekken 3 has:

Characters with multiple stances
Super attacks (>80% damage)
Sidestepping
Each button represents an actual limb
4-8 ways to recover from being knocked on the ground
Counters, chickens, grapple cancels
Multi throws
combos
Large combat areas
Multi-direction special moves (streetFighter esque)
Single direction variation moves (SSB, S-Edge)
Multiple play modes
Juggling
Good/Decent Music


>>3838454
They aren't. The only 2D fighting game ive played with more/same depth is Super Smash Melee. But i havent played every KoF, SS, SF iteration.

>>3838569
I don't disagree but you could've made a better list
> Super attacks (>80% damage)
Usually slow as fuck
> chickens
Not even sure you can do them on reaction, hope I'm wrong as I'm not very good yet
> grapple cancels
In every 2D game since 1994
> combos
wut
> Large combat areas
They are looped, too. No walls
> Good/Decent Music
Can't be done in 2D obviously

>>3838569
>Characters with multiple stances
Common among most fighting games, once again extremely shallow in comparison to most other games doing the same thing, eg See Gen from the Alpha games

>Super attacks
Tekken 3 has no supers

>Sidestepping
Common amount literally every 3D fighting game

>Each button represents an actual limb
The fact you think this is somehow technically or mechanically of note is staggering and shows just how little you know about fighting games

>4-8 ways to recover from being knocked on the ground
Rolling left or right does not count as being a different way to recover

>Counters, chickens, grapple cancels
Literally common amount almost every fighting game from the time, calling a tech a "chicken" or "grapple cancels" does not make it something new, once again style over substance

>Multi throws
A) completely useless
B) both common and better implemented with actual use in other games

>combos
Really nigger, really, are you even trying?

>Large combat areas
Infinite, once more doing nothing but dumbing the game down, removing spatial awareness, corners/walls play a huge part in actual good fighting games

>Multi-direction special moves
you mean like every fighting game that has ever existed?

>Single direction variation moves
You are aware that just like the above that literally every fighting game uses these, right?
So are so desperate to name tekken mechanics you keep using the bare basics that pretty much every fighting game uses, good job proving my point.

>Multiple play modes
Because stupid minigames is why people play fighting games, once again style over substance for casual players.

>Juggling
The fact you tried to list this as something separate to combos or some how is exclusive to tekken is hilarious

>Good/Decent Music
Irrelevant and subjective


>The only 2D fighting game ive played with more/same depth is Super Smash Melee.
Oh i see you were trolling...

>>3838569
Cute, Bloody Roar has:
>Guard Escape
>Heavy Guard
>Light Guard
>Guard Attacks
>Guard Breaks
>Parry
>High/Low Throws
>Command Throw
>Air Throw
>Teching
>Tech Roll
>Guard Tech
>Guard Escape Cancel
>Guard Cancel
>Air Cancel
>Air Combo
>Air Recover
>Air Guard
>Instant Air Attacks
>Air Dash
>Crumple
>Stagger
>Delayed Attacks
>Lever Recovery
>Ground Bound
>Wall Bound
>Hard Knock Down
>Rising Attack
>Reversal
>Counter Hits
>Wall Break
>SS
>White Health
>Super Moves
>Beast Meter
>Beast Change
>Hyper Beast
>Natural Combos
>Strings
>Links
>Multi Ring Combos
>Command Cancels
>Lie Down/Kneel down
>Wave Dash
>Back Dash Canceling
>Back Dash Cancel Partitioning
>Tracking
>Just Frames
>Unblockables
>Cross Ups
>Cross Under
>Chip Damage
>Crushing
>Stance Cancelling
>Cancel Points
>Everything you listed

I think its safe to say tekken is shallow trash

>>3838605
>>3838553
FGC fags talking shit about other games are the worst. Like console warriors except more spergy, "muh gaem is 2deep4u", with it being obvious after a minute of reading that they barely even scrapped the surface of a game they are so violently criticizing.

>>3838614
Thank you Diaperchu. Tekken BTFO

>>3838616
Nothing wrong with liking a casual shallow game anon, just dont pretend its something its not, or cry when someone points out said game is casual and lacks the depth of its peers.

>>3838551
>but it wasn't as popular
Didn't Harada admit in a interview that the first time Tekken beat VF in the arcades was when TTT2 came out? And that was years after the last new VF even came out. Granted T6 was a turd but still.

>>3838623
And yet you're the only autismo in this thread who cries when people state simple facts. Other than VirtuaFighter, Tekken had no peers.

>>3838614
You know what Bloody Roar doesn't have, though? Players. I wonder why

>>3838628
Harada is Japanese. In the US, Tekken 3 started turning VF heads.

>>3838631
Except people still play the game regularly despite it being over 10 years since a new game was released.

I wonder if tekken will last as long when they stop shitting games out.

>>3838637
People who wear diapers and masturbate to furry porn.

>>3838636
No one ever cared about VF, T3 had popularity due to an extremely large and aggressive marketing campaign.

>>3838623
A lot of wrong with talking about a game you've barely learned though.
>Characters with multiple stances
>Common among most fighting games, once again extremely shallow in comparison to most other games doing the same thing, eg See Gen from the Alpha games
Did you expect to be taken seriously?

>>3838637
>people
Furfags aren't people.

>>3838640
tekken is LITERALLY the game of choice of gay diaper wearing furfags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJlVyKkK2N4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZCK3z8ZPqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAH1ULMuPaU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V61QYJc0JHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sPeQxvDc8A

>>3838643
Saturn was dead in the West anyway, who cared.

>>3838649
Agreed

>>3838643
Thank you glint. Do you have another link or reference a Japanese man made that I need to know about?

>>3838652
hngggg
jesus christ

>>3838652
(you)

>>3838672
yiff in hell furfag

>>3838652
>>3838661
kek

>>3837546
what a retard

>>3838604
>>3838605

When you're done sucking each others dick, you may want to realize that I didnt say T3 was the best fighting game, it was an argument for it not being shallow. But way to fucking read, you faggy gits. My list wasnt tekken exclusives, but a list of what it has.

>Each button represents an actual limb
>The fact you think this is somehow technically or mechanically of note is staggering and shows just how little you know about fighting games

SF - punch,kick in varying strengths
SB - vert,hor, kick, block
MK - High & low punch/kicks
SS - weak,med,strong slash, kick
KI,PR,EC,CF,BR - dont remember

Is it truly unique - no. but the concept is damn good.

>4-8 ways to recover from being knocked on the ground
>Rolling left or right does not count as being a different way to recover

You know shit.
Up/Down sq - quick roll
back/forward - rolls
x/o - stand kick
down x - knee quick
back, back, both kicks - double foot flying kick
forward, forward, both punches - flying cross

>Super attacks
>Tekken 3 has no supers

Call it whatever the fuck you want, I dont care. Every character has a single high damage attack with a slow charge time.

Clearly, me bringing up 'supers' rustled your jimmies and outs you as SFAlpha cunt. Your auto-combos, your fairy 'super attacks'. fuck off m8

>>3838716
Except tekken 3 IS shallow, very shallow and nothing you said proves to the contrary.

>SF - punch,kick in varying strengths
6 attack buttons has more depth than 4

>Up/Down sq - quick roll
back/forward - rolls
As said previously, rolling in 4 directions is not counted as 4 different mechanics. its 1 recovery mechanic, tech rolling. something that exists in a large amount of fighting games

>Call it whatever the fuck you want, I dont care. Every character has a single high damage attack with a slow charge time.
That's not even remotely the same as a super, that's just an attack with long start up time and high damage.

The fact you cant even get basic fighting game terminology right says volumes about how utterly fucking clueless you are about fighting games in general.

Tekken is a casual game, no amount of crying will change that, if you like playing casual games with fiends for a laugh good on you, but tekken IS a casual game.

>>3838734
How many (you)s do you need, faglet?

>>3838746
>Gets BTFO
>Resorts to shitposting
A classic

FGC, everyone. Not even once.

>>3838761
Easy there champ you dont want to blow a gasket

>>3837153
Tekken 1 + 2 for appreciation
Tekken 3 for appreciation and gameplay
Tekken 4 for gameplay and atmosphere
Tekken 5 + for everything expected from a standard fighting game

The final stage is a cheap asshole in every game beyond the first 4 though.

>>3838798
>3 and 4
>gameplay
Ignore this guy

H-how about Tobal?

>>3838810
what's wrong with 3's gameplay?

>>3838889
See >>3838553

I started with 3, went back to 2 and 1 years later and didn't feel like I was missing anything.

Bryan and Nina are over powered as fuck though.

>>3838528
>muh flaws

All games have "flaws", but flaws in this case refer to people who know the game too well, more than the developers could ever dream. Zealots will always bring something beyond the intent of its creator, it's a simple fact.

>>3838951
>Ask whats wrong with the game
>Cry when someone gives you the answer

>>3838943
>Bryan and Nina are over powered as fuck though.

No they weren't

S Tier: Ogre
A Tier: Jin, Xiaoyu
B Tier: Heihachi, Law
C Tier: Lei, Nina, Julia, Yoshimitsu, Anna, Mokujin
D Tier: Eddy, Paul, King, Hwoarang, Gun Jack
E Tier: Bryan, Kuma/Panda
F Tier: Dr. B, Gon

>>3837153
Play the first two games in arcade mode. Each game is really just an updated movelist and this way you will already have a good idea of how to use each character proficiently in the next game.

I kind of like going back to Tekken 2 though because limiting yourself to whatever the game has can re-teach you the basics.

>>3837604
>10-hit combos
forget about all of the combos the command list teaches you and make up new ones because that way you keep your opponent guessing.

>>3838975
Nina is nearly untouchable given you know what you're doing. Ogre was just cheap. Paul is also underrated in your tier setup there.

>>3838975
Did you even play the game or are you larping as a 30 year old? I'll give you time to look up an answer.

>>3838984
>>3838987
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=95302

>Note...this is not a list of my "favorites" these are, in fact the best characters. Every character mentioned has qualities which give them very significant competitive advantages.

>OGRE WAS IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEAGUE THAN THE OTHER CHARACTERS IN TEKKEN 3.

>Don't believe me?

>Imagine a move FASTER than EWGF that CANNOT BE BLOCKED and can lead to 60 damage on hit. That was Ogre's Waning Moon to Skyscrapper kick in T3...it was UNBREAKABLE just like Wang's T2 version.

>For those who still don't get it...it was essentially a 12 frame unblockable that did 60 damage.

>Let that sink in for a moment.

>Casual Tekken players, No matter how much success you may have had against an Ogre player, chances are if they were abusing a 12 frame unblockable that did 60 damage you would have more than likely lost...and very badly. That's certainly what happened to a lot of competitive players.

>Off this alone, no other character could compare to Ogre, not to mention that it could be buffered the same way it could in Tag to increase the range. Ogre did more damage in T3 than in tag off of regular moves, had the widest SS in the game, and guaranteed moves of a blocked uf+3. Ogre deserves his own catergory, S Rank. Jin was awesome in T3 but no comparison to Ogre. No one was.

Come back in 10 years when you are old enough to post here

>>3838994
Are you sure you quoted the right stuff there? That has nearly nothing to do with the discussoin here... Although the childish age insults are apparently ripe around here today.

Anyway, thanks for regurgitating some random forum post. That helps.

>>3839004
>some random forum post
Like you seriously dont even know what Tekken Zaibatsu is and you come here trying to talk about the games balance?

Talk about ignorance.

>>3838734
>but tekken IS a casual game.
>far stricter timing and dexterity requirements than turtle fighter
Oh boy it's another "street fighter faggots get rekt at tekken and proceed to call it a casual juggler" episode

>>3838628
Define "beat"

>>3838614
>Wave Dash
Ha ha ha
No

>>3838564
This, Street Fighter 2 is retardedly broken and yet people still play it seriously in 2017 because tryhard FGC fags don't decide what makes a game good or fun or worth actually playing, and that's what everyone in this thread is.

>>3839015
>far stricter timing and dexterity requirements than street fighter
You would have to be a complete and utter retard to actually believe this

>>3839024
You have any evidence to the contrary bitchboy? I don't recall people buying controllers with programmable combos for street fighter alpha

>>3839012
I'm well aware that Tekken Zaibatsu is the end all be all difinitive Tekken analyzation discussion board, and Baron West is the lead developer of the Tekken series as well as the GOAT player.

And yeah, I posted my opinion based on experience rather than reciting what someone else said. Feel free to get even angrier, pussy.

>>3839026
Your just embarrassing yourself now.

>>3839023
>>Wave Dash
>Ha ha ha
>No
??????????????????

>>3839034
>No argument
good to see retarded SF fags have absolutely no arguments. Keep playing your broken turtle fighter, faggots.

>>3838994
The fact that you need to dig it up and don't already know tells me your age.

>>3839058
Someone somewhere is actually this retarded

>>3839063
The fact you are trying to argue with a tier list made by actual top tournament players of the game tells me you dont know anything about tekken.

>>3839064
>he really thinks this counts as an argument
SF fags, everybody

>>3839074
This is some of the most desperate damage control i have seen in a long time.

>>3839078
Not an argument

>>3839085
Keep going, i want to see how far you will dig yourself.

>>3839090
Not an argument

>>3839093
Ataboy, keep going.

>>3839095
Not an argument

>>3839145
keep going

>>3838810
>Has an opinion
Ignore this guy

>>3839180
>Opinion is retarded and factually incorrect
Ignore this guy

>>3837153
if you actually want to get into tekken just wait for 7

if you just want to "get into tekken" then there's no reason to play any others besides 2 and 3

>>3839242
>there's no reason to play any others besides 2 and 3
Except the fact they are both awful games

>>3839247
he's just playing against the computer so who cares
enjoy those fmv time capsule story mode endings OP

>>3839172
Not an argument

>>3839247
>being so buttblasted over tekken being superior to your shitty fighting game that you have to samefag a thread

>>3839286
>He's still going

>>3838547
You, I like you

>The legend will never die

>>3839298
Not an argument

>>3839309
>Still going

>>3837568

>Asuka

>>3839363
>Skullgirls
>SSFIV
>Top tier

>Soul Calibur V WAY above II
Completely disregarded, list obviously made by a faggot.

>>3839363
dumb bloodyroarfag

>>3839375
SC2 is a broken mess of a game SCV is much better

>>3839363
mk4 is definitely not shit tier

>>3839424
is there something below shit tier, because that's where all mk games belong

it's not retro but I'm playing tekken 5 dr online and I can only buy 3 of the ending movies and nothing else. WTF?

>>3839424
it definitely is

>>3839424
>being this much of a pleb

>>3839413
>sc2
>not the last good soulcalibur game

>>3839456
>sc2
>not a huge pile of shit

>>3839459
post what you think is wrong with it so i can laugh at you

>>3839461
>Shit balance
>Unbearable glitches that make the game unplayable eg, 2g, gstep, animation canceling and loads more
>Garbage movement
>Slow as shit
>Awful guest characters
All round shit game

>>3839363
Is this a joke? I played Guilty Gear XX Accent Core and the movement's slow as fuck

>>3837157
>Tekken
>revolutionary
it looked low res and ugly, and Virtua Fighter 2 was already out.

I'd say play 3, it plays pretty well, has nice graphics and runs smooth.

>>3839465
did you turn it off before learning how to iad or something

>>3839464
>muh balance
ok sirlin
i bet you think rc makes cvs2 unplayable as well you fucking retard

>>3839446
it's by far the best 3d mk game

>>3839492
what is your point

>>3839479
What do you mean? I just played 10 minutes of it then I haven't touched it ever since the slow movement really turned me off

>>3839502
>10 minutes

Fucking retard.

>>3839502
you're not really meant to use the characters' base grounded walk speed very much in those types of fighting games. the main movement tools in the game are run/dash/instant airdash etc., a grounded walking approach is uncommon, good players spend a lot of time in the air.

it would be like playing street fighter and just walking around with slow ass dhalsim instead of using his faster slide, air drill, air mummy, etc. to move around.

>>3839515
The game is still slow as balls.

>>3839496
that it's the best 3d mk game

>>3839517
you just think that because you booted it up for 10 minutes and have no idea how to play fast.

watch people who have a cursory idea of what they're doing, looks like a pretty regular fighting game tempo to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPdhC6qa-EU

>>3839520
mk is a shit franchise, and the 3d mk games are even shittier than the 2d mk games. not sure how this helps your argument that mk4 isn't a low tier fighting game

>>3839517
You have to be at least 18 to post here.

>>3839517
you think guilty gear is slow? you must be able to block millia then.
post your results anon!
http://www.teyah.net/milliablocker.html

>>3839314
Not an argument

>>3839679
Keep going, dont stop now.