/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3818128
>Why is this game so good?

Because it's motherfucking Shining Force.
Are you one of the rare one's like me who prefer the first one over the second?
I just enjoy it's more serious tone and atmosphere, and the music in the game fits that perfectly. I listen to the soundtrack a lot to this day.

Also, since you made a SF thread you'd better brace yourself, the horsefags are coming.

>>3818154
>Are you one of the rare one's like me who prefer the first one over the second?

Based on the SF thread that I've seen on /vr/ I think most posters like the first Shining Force better than the second.

Myself included.

>>3818154
>the horsefags are coming

Oh no! Not the horse fags!

Whole series is great. Shining Force CD a best

Bump

>>3818668
T H I C C ! !

>>3818128
It's well balanced to the point where you don't need to do any grinding to win if you play carefully, which is unlike the other popular strategy rpgs out there.

Bumping

>>3818128
Honestly I have never played the first one. Is it good enough to start up like right now?

>>3819271
I can't think of a single strategy RPG that requires you to grind.

I liked Shining Force and it was one of my favourite games growing up simply because it was the only SRPG I played. Now I'd say it's not as good as Front Mission, Tactics Ogre, Fire Emblem, Langrisser, etc. but it's still a good game.

I liked the atmosphere of the first game, it was nice and lighthearted without being annoying like shining force 2.

>>3820987
Fuck yes!

Shining Force is one of the first and one off the best strategy RPGS of all time.

>>3821018
Langrisser requires grinding. First game I was able to beat my way to the very last stage without grinding, but the last stage had a very huge difficulty spike. Second game had this bullshit boss character at stage 3 or 4 where he could kill any hero character with 2-3 hits. All the other units (regardless of the type) weren't able to even cause 1 damage to him.

>>3821289
Langrisser is a game where you go directly from battle to battle and there's a limited number of enemies on each map. There is no grinding, you just need to play carefully.

>>3820987
Load your squad up with centaurs and go crazy, everyone says they suck in mountain levels but you don't need to move fast when you're a fucking 500 pound horse man with a spear

Is CD a good place to start?
I am doing the first book and it says the team we assembled are the descendants of the Shining Force or something.

Also that first battle on the boat is kind of hard, I got up to the boss enemy with my main character and missed. Then on his turn he got two attacks and killed me from full health.

So I guess never rush in as main character.

>>3822123
Start with Shining Force 1.
Shining Force CD/Gaiden is spinoff/sequel to the first game.

Played the first game right now!

I heard the GBA remake of the first one is better, is it true? Not a fan of the GBA to be honest.

My first experience was the one n the Game Gear. Loved that game so much. I was amazed to find out it was the second half of the Sega-CD Shining Force. That being said, the Game Gear one was harder. Freeze 3 had an extended range in that version.

>>3821397
Have you even played the first 2 games?

>>3822450

Yes and no. Play the original on the Genesis for gameplay, then play the GBA version to get all of the important little story details that were left untranslated in the original.

>>3822754
Lifetime is limited. I definitely won't play a 20 hour game once for the gameplay and then play the remake for some story details.

>>3822783
GBA version has some broken stuff that annihilates things no problem.

>>3818128
how's the remake?

>>3822442
Then play Final Conflict before you play Shining Force 2. There's a translated patch for emulators.

>>3822508
Yes, many times. I really don't know what you're talking about. In fact I always find myself wishing the games weren't so easy when I play them. If you played these games 20+ years ago I suggest you try again, maybe you were just a dumb kid.

How did you even manage to grind? The level select cheat?

>>3822442
I see there is a better translation for 1. Would anyone happen to have that?
The file is called "Shining Force (Retranslation) v1.3.zip" but you need to register everywhere to get it from what I can see.

>>3821397

not true, you get more XP when you take out individual troops instead of directly going for the leader

also, on almost every map, when you take too long, Lance will show up with reinforcements, which you can further grind

both enables degenerate gameplay

the one problem with Shining Force is that its too easy, there is almost no challenge, at least not the first two games

>>3818128
Because its from before the year 2000

>>3818154
Being a horsefag is suffering.
>SF1 Mae is redundant garbage with a hideous portrait
>SF2 May is flimsy garbage
>FEDA Jenny is traitorous garbage
I assume the centaur chicks in SF3 and the 8-bit games are useless too.

>>3823910
Also, during late game, the regular troops aren't even useful as cannon fodder. Gameplay becomes like SRW/Shining Force.

>>3818668
>>3824331

Well at least you still have Cerea. As a non-horsefag even I have to admit she's decent, I can understand why a lot of people waifu her.

>>3818128
Because segafags had only either this or Phantasy Star as RPG to play, laughable.

>>3824331
Cybel is pretty good (always in my main force in Scn1) and Honesty is god-tier. Waltz is good at attack but gets bogged down by her shit movement on rough terrain (she only has 5 speed instead of 7).

>>3822783
I'll save you some time: Max and Kane are Ancients, they were frozen so they could wake up in the future and stop Dark Dragon when it returned (you can see their cryosleep coffins when you battle Chaos, I think). Dark Dragon is basically a bioweapon from the Ancients. Max was found washed ashore with no memory of his life in Guardiana and then the game begins.

That's all the actual story that you're missing out on the Genesis. Yeah, they were always meant to be time travelers, the credits song is called "Traveler from Distant Times" because of it.

The GBA adds/retcons some stuff about Darksol also being an Ancient who was turned into a bioweapon too in order to serve as the "mind" of Dark Dragon. Also magic comes from man-made satellites in space, every character has like a fanfic-tier backstory involving a bunch of off-screen places, events and things, and Runefaust's king has a daughter who's retconned into the Shining Force. There's also a stupid subplot about cards because Yu-Gi-Oh! was popular when the remake was being made.

I think that's about it, you're welcome.

>>3824802

>implying I want more RPGs on a gameplay oriented console.

>>3824331
>SF1 Mae is redundant garbage with a hideous portrait
I once had a tanky Mae thanks to a very lucky level-up, so she ended a full-time member of the Force for this playthrough.

And May is just so cute even though she's not that great -still better than most SF1 archers.

It really was SF that awakened my love for centaur girls. I'd recommand playing Golden Axe : Revenge of Death Adder for more centaur goodness.

>>3826178
Mae usually pretty tanky

First SF is best SF.

>>3826869
It was a whopping +11 Defence in one go on the final map of Chapter I.

It's the only stat gain that I remember from a RPG, and I'd be curious to know what formula and spread they used in the first SF, as variance seemed huge compared to the second game that had steadier evolution.

>>3828663
>as variance seemed huge compared to the second game that had steadier evolution.

You are correct. This recent character FAQ.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/genesis/563340-shining-force/faqs/63598?print=1

>>3829118
Meant to say that the character guide details the average state growth for each character.

>>3829118
Cool. I think that this guy did a similar stat growth faq for SF2.
That FAQ came out recently too. Nice!

>>3818128
Wasn't there a problem with this game being on Youtube

>>3830379
What do you mean?

>>3824331
>>SF2 May is flimsy garbage
Really? Been a few years, but I always remember her as being a solid archer.

>>3830525
May is the best archer in SF2

>>3822754
I'll play the genesis game then

>>3827707
agreed

>>3818128
this is amazing box art btw

horses a shit

>>3831493
I thought that Guntz was so badass when I was a kid.

He was my absolute favorite character.

>>3831493
>>3832093
Also, Guntz doesn't suffer from movement penalties when crossing rough terrain. Making him faster than the knights.

I can think of six reasons to play Shining Force 2.

>>3832162
T H I C C !

>>3832162
MONK! BABY HUNGRY! BABY WANT HEALING! BABY WANT PROTECT MILK!

>>3832162
No Sheela?

>>3832368
>>3832162
She's in the center under the waterfall bro.
Just like in the game!

>>3832096
>Guntz doesn't suffer from movement penalties when crossing rough terrain. Making him faster than the knights.

And Zylo doesn't suffer from movement penalties when moving through forests.
It's funny. I don't see many guides mentioning that these characters details.

>>3832468
Oh, you're right. The blonde hair threw me off.

>>3832478
Most players aren't even aware that movement types other than Normal and Flying exist. Monster Kiwi in 2 has Hover for example, which is like flying but without losing out on the Land Effect defense bonus.

Shining Force 1 is a classic to me. I love it so much.

Still trying to get into Shining Force 2. Not sure if playing on the hardest difficulty (the actual hardest difficulty) was a good idea.

>>3832478

bizarrely enough hans and dianne also have no movement penalty in the forest but by the time you get to an all forest map is when they start to suck really hard and you likely change your lineup

Fans of this need to check out battle for wesnoth. Multiple campaigns. Free.

>>3832810
This looks pretty good, dude. Thank you for telling me about this.

>>3832810
Neat.

>>3832810
Battle for Wesnoth is god tier but I wouldn't recommend it to Shining Force fans. I don't think shining force fans would appreciate level design that rewards strategy, the extremely well-balanced multiplayer would be ignored, the lack of town exploration might be an issue, and as far as I know there are no centaur girls. There are some minimal RPG elements like unit traits and they can level up a couple times but Wesnoth is more of a turn based tactics game than a TRPG.

>>3818128
I keep seeing this thread in the catalog and thinking OP is some sort of fan art drawn"Bad US box art Zelda" game at a glance due to the thumbnail.

>mfw seeing peter's promotion for the first time

>>3833437
>doofy turkey thing changes into some kind of muppet

didn't even look like his battle sprite

>>3833375
Fuck off Zelda-fag.
Don't your have a OOT circle jerki thread to participate in?

>>3833437
You should check out the Peter solo playthrough of SF2

>>3832487
The same colour hair as in the game?

>>3833337
Lol What a passive aggressive, smug cunt.
There's a reason why BfW is free. It's fucking garbage.

>>3833337
>I don't think Shining Force fans would appreciate level design that rewards strategy
6/10 not bad, but you should have snuck that one in abit later. Mention of the Centaur girls was blatant over reaching on your part. Not bad, but you're still a faggot.

>>3835106

her hair turns brown in that same scene

Cool.

>>3835879
Huh, I guess her hair does look more brown in the portrait, but isn't she a blonde in her battle sprites?

>>3837134
I can't check but I am almost certain her battle sprite hair color is actually orange

Man that game was the shit.

>>3837160
Nope. Still brown.

>>3835879
>>3837134
>>3837212
Sheila is a dirty blonde.

>>3837378
Oh, Sheela is DIRTY all right!

SF3 is great too.

>>3837396
She's great but the SF Waifu of choice is blatantly obvious.

>>3818154
is it really that good though?

>>3818154
1 > 2
I haven't even got far in 2 but I didn't rike

>>3837669
It's a damn shame Motoaki Takenouchi didn't make the OST (though I like Sakuraba's work here), but yeah, SFIII is the real deal.

>>3838406
>>3837669
SF3 was a real step up from SF2. Not just in graphics, but also in gameplay mechanics.
>Friendship mechanic
>Giving Dwarves throwing axes
>Giving characters weapon specialties (one Knight is better with lances another is better with spears)
>Giving characters special "limit break" critical hits.

Great game!

>>3838518
Almost forgot...
>Being able to select a spellcasters 4th spell slot by choosing which special magic item to give them

SF3 really took gameplay to the next level. It's was SF2 should have done.

>>3838406
Great voice acting though...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IhrlM3nYzFg

But Noon still brought the jams!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlwjS53pAho

>>3835193
You sound smug yourself you little prick. BfW isn't garbage and just because something is free doesn't make it garbage you dumb fuck.

See the Linux OS, Cave Story, DwarfFort etc. Fucking faggot.

SF CD is great too.

Played SF1 as a kid and loved it, played it again recently, still cool. Are the other games worth playing? I didn't even realize there were sequels until recently.

>>3839473
Try Shining Force CD.

>>3839490
Then SF Gaiden Final Conflict for GameGear.

>>3832162
Too bad that Frayja is the best Master Monk in SF2!

>>3841569
Frayja is best girl!

>>3830379
>>3830517
a few years ago Sega (or was it Camelot, or somebody else?) became super anal about Shining Force and copyright claimed or took down any video they could find

and what's weird is that it was specifically Shining games - your Shining Force longplays would be attacked but for some reason shit like Phantasy Star or Sonic was okay

at least, this is what I have heard

>>3841589
It allegedly ties into how modern Shining fans (and trolls) on 2ch learned about one of Shining Force Central's fan outreach campaigns, then influenced someone at SEGA to start taking down Shining Force III vids on YouTube. The initial excuse/cover related to SEGA wanting to promote Shining Ark's debut trailer on YouTube became less and less true over time. Let's face it, no Japanese Shining fan's going to start with YouTube when they're always using Nico Nico Douga for trailers and videos. And it's possible one of the SEGA of Japan producers tied to Tony Taka-style Shining games misinterpreted Shining Force Central in a negative way.

>>3818128
it sucks

>>3829118
Wow, this person sure is dedicated.

Now, I'm really curious to have the algorithm they used, as it looks very complicated compared to what other games do.

So used to see linear or geometric growth like Final Fantasy, or random with fixed probabilty like Fire Emblem, that I'm very intriguied by SFI.

My first turn based strategy rpg.

>>3842192
Mine too.

>>3842192
Pretty sure it was mine too. Though I didn't actually finish it until YEARS later.

>>3843073
My friends and I were obsessed with SF.
We played through the game togethet multiple times during summer vacation.

We discovered new secret characters each time (this was before the internet) which always brought a thrill and pumped new life into the game for us.

>>3818128
2 blew my mind and i could never find a game that gave me such an impact since

>>3843363
All those secret centaur characters. Wow!

Starting this for the first time lads, any tips?

>>3843950
Have fun :-)

>>3843954
No, I refuse

>>3833337
>almost got away with it

>>3843950
Jogurt is best girl!

>>3844190
>>3843950
Get a Jogurt ring ASAP!

>>3843950
Gort is a bro, keep him to the end.

>>3843950
Make CERTAIN you look everywhere and talk to everyone when you're in towns. Exploring gets you cool new units.

Also every character in the game is viable, so use who you like. Even if they seem pretty iffy they'll make up for it with better stats later. It's up to you to decide who's worth leveling up.

>>3843909
not that guy but in my second playthrough I was amazed by all the shit I'd missed by just steamrolling from battle to battle, yeah like 4 knights but the ice monster, the old man with the flying contraption, fucking Guntz, I missed them all on my first playthrough. I can completely imagine playing this in the 90's and turning up new people each playthrough.

>>3843950
Don't promote your guys when they reach level 10. If you can wait, promote at level 20.

>>3844635
The ninja is still my favorite. You could walk right past him.

He, the Samurai and the Zooka Knight all come in too late.

>>3843950
ONE MORE THING

LOOK UP HOW TO GET THE DARING DRESS AND SUGOI MIZUGI

>>3844640
Could someone explain when the best time to promote in each shining force game is and why? Does waiting until level 20 even result in stronger characters, considering the EXP you end up losing? Even if promoting later eventually results in better units, does the lategame benefit outweigh the earlygame advantage? Does it depend on the character? etc.

I know that most people think it's better to promote at level 20 in Fire Emblem games but that's wrong, so don't answer if you think that.

>>3844635
>>3843363
>Secret Characters

As a kid I was convinced that Shell must be a secret character.

I tried so hard to get her to join.

She also shows up in the only chapter where you don't get any other new recruits.

that just made me further convinced that she must be the only recruit able character that chapter.

>>3844819
See
>>3829118

>>3844819
It's a meme of the worst type. Before promotionlevel up stats are awful. After promotion they are better. Now, if you wait until 20 they will be better in the long run ONLY if you intentionally grind forever to see the benefits. If you pplay the game normally (without repeating battles to grind) you're gimping yourself short term for barely any long term benefit (characters will only start to get good at the very end).

It's a powergaming strategy for those obsessed with long term gains, not something that's at all a good idea for a sensible regular playthrough. Promote as soon as possible for better stats in the short term, your characters will still easily be strong enough for the final battles this way, and mid game won't be suffering.

>>3845525
I'm pretty pissed she isn't a fucking recruitable.

Have her in a giant fishbowl with wheels. IT'LL TOTALLY WORK.

Sorry I have no idea, can anyone point which one are the differences between shining saga and phantasy star saga?

gameplay? setting place?

>>3846218
traditional fantasy srpg

>>3846218
Shining Force is a sequel to Phantasy Star IV

>>3847697
Nuh uh!

>>3848415
Yuh huh!

>>3845837
Is this also true for SFII?

>>3850137
Well it isn't necessary to get max levels in either game in order to beat the game.

>>3850137
SF2 is a much longer game that has higher enemy counts in most maps making it easier to keep your dudes leveled naturally. The only grinding you will get done is in roadblock battles before you figure something out.

>>3834190
Do you have a link on that video?

Be sure to collect all of the secret items!

>>3851710
Can't seem to find it.
It was a Japanese video if that helps.

>>3850137
In SF1, the game increases your stat during the promotion depending on your current stats and "designed" stats for that level.
For example, your attack at level 10 must be 20. Your attack is 17 - so, probably, you'll get your attack increased by 2 or 3.
If your attack is 22, you'll probably get no increase or an increase by 1.
So, if you'll spend some time to level up your characters and then promote them, you'll get your characters at promoted level 1 with "overpowered" stats - that means you'll get almost no stats increasing at several next level ups.
TL;DR. Leveling up your characters in SF1 to 20lvl before promotion doesnt worth your efforts. Its counterproductive.

In SF2, you'll always receive "standard" increase for your character, for example, HP+1, AT+1, DF+2, AGI+1 for a Warrior or HP+2, AT+1, DF+2, AGI+1 for a Baron - that means you'll continue powering up your characters regradeless of their power level before promotion.
TL;DR - in SF2 you could level up your characters to lv.39 before promotion, it would give a signifficant effect on their strength.

>>3850137
It's not as critical to your short term success in 2, but you might as well promote as soon as you can (which is level 20 in that game) because powergaming is not needed at all. If you hold out till level 40 you will of course utterly break the game upon promotion turning it into a joke. Just remember not to promote certain characters without their special promition items!

>>3845884
How is she supposed to move on the land (the most battles in SF1 are land-based, there are only few rivers and oceans)?

>>3851814
Steam powered Tank treads
It worked for Guntz.

Should I play this game?

>>3853562
If you enjoy tactical RPGs than yes.

>>3851390
I tend to hold off promotion until the fight against Willard

>>3853612
That's pretty standard.

>>3851814
she can have 3 move on land and 9 in water

>>3845525
>>3854469
If Shell were a recruitable character what would she be like?

>>3855016
Lame.

>>3855016
likely a mage healer, aura/freeze/random buff spells, maybe she can even use a spear to fuck over knights some more

>>3855628
>Shell
>Mobility Ring from Waral
And now she have MV 5 on the land. Pretty good for a healer/mage.

Should I play this game?

>>3853562
yes
>>3857939
no

>>3845525
>>3855016

>MRMD Shell

>MOV 9 (on water, treat all other terrain as difficult for movement)

>MAGIC >ITEM
>Aura lv3 >Lances
>Boost lv1 >Spears
>Quick lv1
>Shield lv1

>>3858078
I like it

>>3858078
Oh yeah, her class and promotion are...
>MRMD = Mermaid
>SIRN = Siren

Is SF3 any good?

>>3858313
>>3858078
I appreciate the effort you've put into making this anon.

All of this makes me wonder however, if there are are Shining force mods and just how difficult it would be to make one.

>>3858825
So I've looked into it... There are mods for making the game harder, giving you all allies from the start, and rebalancing stats... Nothing really on adding whole new units or making a story out of scratch.

Mite b cool

I like FEDA more than Shining

>>3858801
It's excellent and by far the best of the Shining games and a great turn-based strategy in its own right.

>>3858313
SRN, not SIRN
Like GLM, RBT and BRN

>>3818128
I dunno explain why

I wanna try this series out, mostly the ones on Genesis though, whats better overall, I or II? Also is Shining in the Darkness any good?

>>3860150
Shining Force I and II play pretty much identically with 2 just being longer. The only real difference is the tone of the games.

Shining Force I has more of a feel like leading an army in a war, your force is the last hope of the kingdom and the only way you will be victorious is by fighting your way across continents to the enemies home.

Shining Force II has more of an anime adventure feel, your initial force is a bunch of young students and not an army, afterwards you are basically exploring places looking for stuff while slowly gaining allies and becoming stronger.

>>3860150
Shining in the Darkness is great.
It was my first ever dungeon-crawling RPM.
I played through it again a few years ago and it still holds up.

>>3860550
Maybe I'll give it a try.

>>3860550
Only three party members?

Alef iz mai waifu!

I really love how diverse the recruitable characters were.

You got your tough men, you got your sissy archers, you got your sexy magic users, you got your furry, your got your GORT, you got your floating jellyfish thing, you got your centaurs, you got your old men, you got your centaurs, you got your robot, you got your centaurs, your wolfmen, bird people, centaurs, ninjas, centaurs, and let's not forget about Jogurt.


And they're all so unique too. It really hits me in all the right spots

>>3863101
Fighter, Mage, Cleric, what more do you need?

>>3818668

NO NO NO NO NOT THAT ARTIST

Kiwi fuckin sucks

>>3864156
You take that back!

>>3864379
Naw he sucks.

Is SF2 really that bad?

>>3866246
I'm not finished with it yet. I'm at the part where you save some retard from drowning by fighting off a horde of monsters after him... pic related... But I don't think I like it.

It started off promising enough but then it just got less and less exciting. I dunno, someone tell me it gets better from here.

>>3866273
>level 38 that early in the game
>unpromoted that late into the game
What's it like to need suck all the fun out of games by powergaming?

>>3866297
THAT'S JUST SARAH. EVERYONE ELSE IS LIKE LEVEL 24 AND THIS MAP'S BRUTAL AS HELL.

>>3866309
Ok I managed to get past the battle. I'll continue working on beating Shining Force 2 and give you my full review another time.

>>3866309
Oh. Really? Weird. How on earth did you get Sarah of all characters so much higher levelled? Healing gives fuck all exp.

>>3866341
I'm pretty sure you got that mixed up. Healers are the EASIEST units to level up. If Sarah heals someone by even a little she gains 15 xp. No more no less.

This may not seem like a lot but it is constant and adds up.

>>3866273
where are kazin chester and luke?

>>3866343
But how often do you need to heal per fight? Once or twice, even if you expend their MP they'll fall behind in no time unless you feed them kills. Sarah is the only character I ever needed to go out of my way to feed low HP monsters to to keep her up to date (before promotion to MMNK). Having her somehow ahead of the pack boggles my mind.

>>3866350
I left them in the van.

>>3866350
>luke
In the caravan WHERE HE BELONGS, I should think.
I hope Kazin is just off screen.

>>3866343
And any other character can earn 30-49 EXP by attacking instead.
The only healers easy to level up are Karna and Sheela because Boost 2 is guaranteed 40 experience at any point of the battle.

I have no idea what you're doing to require level 24 at that point of the game, I hope you're at least playing on Super.

>>3866356
I'm playing on the hardest difficulty setting (the ACTUAL hardest difficulty setting) and its been rough.

That wouldn't be why I would think the game is inferior to Shining Force 1 however. I don't think I like the "open world" aspect of the game. Exploring was straight-forward and fun in the first game, but the second one is just HUUUUUGE sprawling maps that don't serve any real purpose. I would've preferred a mario 3-esque map where it's just a straight line to somewhere instead. Maybe this wouldn't have been so bad but they had to shove in random encounters too. I really don't like the random encounters. I enjoyed Shining Force 1 where every battle had a meaning. Shining Force 2 has these random encounters take place on said HUGE sprawling maps and it's just so boring and dull with no strategy. It takes up your time and is pointless if all your characters have been leveled appropriately.

>>3866356

you can heal without needing to heal anything, once you have 30 mp sarah levels every single fight if you make sure to not end before using up all mp and give everyone's extra item slot a medical herb that is another level for every 10 herbs, once you are maxed out on dudes sarah can get 2 levels off using items to heal people at full health alone

>>3838530
>>3838518
I'm still cucked from the other two games.

>>3866357
>>3866361
I am pretty sure at that point your force isn't even full

Who is your said?
Mine is Darksol.

My waifu is Lowe!

>>3863623
good eveninb, mr. fraioli

>>3866372
Hmm, it's pretty much right after you get the caravan, I think you'd have to bench at least 1 character by the time you reach Elric, unless you'd missed some.

>>3866365
That's exactly the sort of powergaming stuff that sucks all the fun out of the game.

>>3863623
I think you forgot to mention some centaurs.

>>3868345
And Jogurt.

>>3868781
Jogurt iz mai waifu!

>>3869358
No me.

Hard to believe 96 people have posted in this thread. Screw tier-lists, use whoever you like.

Would be nice if someone could splice all the sf casts into one game kinda like a Shining Mugen or sumthin

>>3870704
That'd be fun, but there's an important question. For the ones that appear multiple times in different games, what version? Or multiple ones?

Shining force is the shit, specially the first one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeUWxet2mOg

>>3866361
SF variant of Basement Dweller: Caravan Dweller.
Afraids to go outside because there are MONSTERS

>>3870830
I like it.

Jogurt

Centaurs?

>>3838518
What is this World of Warcraft garbage?

Fuck off and die.

>>3875081
Fuck off and die.

>>3866273
It hits a somewhat boring patch in the middle. Once you get to the Nazca Ship things pick up again.

Trained this fucker in both SEGA and GBA versions. Worth of it.

>>3875838
People hate Adam for some reason.

He's fine if you train him.

Maybe people are just lazy?

>>3875838
>>3876858
I trained him too. He was too cool NOT to train.

>>3876858
hes level 1 when the rest of your force is pushing level 15 or higher promoted nigga

>>3876858
>people hate Adam
wot?

>>3830583
Her portrait is cute (would be alot cuter if she wore glasses. and not a centaur)

>>3877382
Oh! You get out!

>>3877382
An archer with glasses? Hmmm... Archers are supposed to have extremely sharp sight

>>3866361
Sending Kazin far away from main force in this battle isnt a wise decision. Unless he's overleveled and his defense is around 45 (but there are no tools for easy overleveling at that point. Afaik protect ring appears later in game)

I've only played Ressurection of the Dark Dragon, is the rest of the series worth it?

>>3878084
>I've only played Ressurection of the Dark Dragon

You poor soul. Atlus completely slaughtered the game's localization.

Play the original game. It's much better than that half-assed port.

>>3878089
I liked the card system, I don't want to play through the game without it.

>>3878092
What's the card system like?

>>3878404
What do you mean? How you unlock cards or how they are used?

>>3878405
Both

>>3878407

unlocking is really shit, sometimes you just get cards but most of the time you need to kill a specific enemy usually the boss in a battle with a specific character to unlock cards. To unlock your allies cards you need to bring them into combat and then talk to them afterwards until they give you a card, they will give you a little bit of story for doing this and it's likely the only completely positive addition but since there is a limited amount of battles you ain't getting every bodies cards in a single play through.

>>3878407
Paraphrasing from this guide: https://www.gamefaqs.com/gba/918893-shining-force-resurrection-of-the-dark-dragon/faqs/30142

There are two types of cards, Hero and Villain.
Villain cards are earned for doing certain things during battle, like using Max to get the final hit on the rune-knight in the first battle.

Hero cards can be found in the free-roaming section of the game. Some can for example be found inbookshelves, or be given as friendship rewards.

There is a character that can equip and use up to four cards in battle, to buff allies, cast powerful spells or even imitate members of the Force.

Read the link for more info.

>>3878418

to use cards you get a GBA only character who can use cards like spells, they can be used once per battle and can have any number of effects. There are cards that are clearly better than others though and missing them impacts the usefulness of this character severely

The card system sounds interesting.
I may need to try SF on GBA.

>>3878425
>>3878419
Sounds stupid.

>>3879779
I think it sounds really interesting. Completely new game mechanics that makes strategy more variative

>>3879779
Yer mama

>>3879919
>I think it sounds really interesting. Completely new game mechanics that makes strategy more variative

I think you mean
>completely shoehorned mechanics that add nothing of substantial value to the game

Believe me, you're not missing out on anything.

And "variative" is not a word.

>>3880937
What do you think if one of bosses in SF1 would have Mawlock's abilities?
Would that boss battle be interesting?

>>3880937
For game having infinitely increasing difficulty modes it NEEDS to have the cards and if you go beyond two or three difficulty stars you NEED to use them if you hope to win. The whole thing adds a lot of replaybality.

Also Atlus didn't butcher any localization, the Japanese script for the remake is very different. The original SEGA translation omitted a bunch of plot details and had various mistranslations (demon blaze anyone?)

Zylo is my main dude

Shining in the Darkness is the best game in the Shining Force series.

>>3882117
What makes it so appealing, anon? I've never tried it, mainly because it doesn't have the huge diverse cast of the other games.

>>3882119
It's great if you like dungeon crawlers like Phantasy Star.

>>3832810
played this for years. Perhaps my favorite pc strategy game

>>3868103
Eh. Different guy but it's more just making sure she heals somebody every turn instead just waiting or doing 1 to 3 damage unless it's to kill.

>>3882117

Shining in the Darkness was shit. Shit setting, shit writing, shit characters, shitloads of backtracking and grinding. Shit is not fun.

>>3818128
Because there are parts that were actually challenging.

Bump

>>3882592
The setting is classic, the dialogue and characters are more fleshed out than 99% of the console RPGs of the time, backtracking was minimal for a dungeon crawler, and there's no required grinding since you get all the levels you need to progress during normal exploration.

More importantly, the art and music are amazing, a lot of the tedium that plagues the genre is minimized, the floor layouts are interesting, and the battles are really well balanced.

>>3884475
This guy gets it

>>3884475

>"Everything you said is wrong because I say so"

What a constructive reply.

None of the characters get hashed out, not in any degree. You occasionally go back to the tavern and witness maybe two cutscenes that involve Pyra or Milo. The characters are otherwise every bit as generic as the blank slate, self-insert hero.

Not a single eventful thing happens during the course of the game. You explore the dungeon, find a key, advance to the next level, rinse and repeat until you find and defeat Darksol, then the generic kingdom is saved. Game over.

Does this game get better? I can't get into it even though on paper it seems like my bread and butter.

A lot of these early chapters seem to take forever with moving everyone long distances.

>>3884776
Are you playing on an emulator? Speed it up if it takes too long.

I love Shining in the Darkness.

>>3884578
>Not a single eventful thing happens during the course of the game
Meeting Melvyl at the tavern is not eventful?

The game is light on cutscenes, but what little plot is there, while generic, is interesting and well animated.

This.

>>3886062
I liked the cutscenes.

>See this thread
>Remember that I got Shining Force 1 for free with Megadrive Classics on Steam
>Find out the hard way that ingame saving doesn't work 3 hours later

>>3863623
I think sissy archers should have more range and ninja should have higher evasion chanse.
Imagine how dangerous could be an archer with range 4 or 5! Especially somewhere in the sands or woods

Bump

>>3887451
They were cool...

>>3891724
Woah!

>>3891724
What happens next?

>>3893251
Read the slash-fic to find out.

Does anyone have the samples of the PCM snares used in Shining Force 1?

I'm trying to rip them but I'm not very good at figuring out how.

>>3894402
Need to know.

>>3894402
bumping for interest on this question :3

How do you isolate the sample channel on a genesis track?

>>3896040
Good question.

>>3875838
Whats the diferences of GBA version of SF1?

>>3896907
READ THE THREAD!

Spoiler: there's a special character in the CBS version who can copy character abilities.

>>3894402
>>3895320
>>3896040
>>3896764
If you want something done, you do it yourself!

Luckily, most, if not all of the drum samples are isolated without music in the Headquarters theme, so it allowed for easy ripping in Audacity.

It's probably not perfect, and it feels like there are minute, if not no differences between a few of the samples (hence the naming of snare1 and snare1b, for example), but it will get the job done in your tracker of choice. I also sampled the snare roll, though I am certain that that was not an actual sample but just the individual drums played in quick succession.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/8qzu5xzw7gt78wd/Shining+Force+1+Samples.zip

>>3897306
That's pretty rad, anon.

Cool.

>>3824802
it is sad, its the biggest lacking genre on the system for GOOD games besides SF and PS

that and the gens was shit for any RPG style music, the SNES was the king of that shit and people say the SNES sounds like shit...

man, i really want to play SF 1 and 2 now, but my CDX doesn't have a power cable

>>3899464
Get a new cable ASAP!

>>3899818
dude, you don't just get a new cable for it
its a fucking EXPENSIVE cable and you can't just use a genesis 2 cable without burning out the system.