/vr/ - Retro Games

The whole kumite thing kind of got played out in the 90s but it could probably feel fresh again if it were done with the right variety of character stories, some ironic some comical some emo etc.

>>3831459
SF has always had shit tier music.

Somehow it's not surprising that a /vr/ fighting fan is nostalgic for blatant boring stereotypes though.

>>3831459
That's Japanese market for you
—make serious themed game with real men
—"meh who needs this old shit"
—old staff member fired
—new style direction key points: moe, tiddies, Gackt, eurobeat
—japs glued to the screen, dakimakura sales at all time high
—7 new games announced, prequel planned for pachinko

But yeah, SF2 had some kickin' music, electro disco/funk or something like that https://youtu.be/vD5HINFkiFA

>>3831469

FGC kiddies need to get out.

>>3831459
>>3831821
i loved the world warrior designs but i also think a perfect medium between that and modern designs exist, and that is SFEX
>>3831828
snkfags aren't fgc, they're just subhuman coattail riders like smashfags

>>3831459
BEST MUSIC RIP (NOT MEMEGUNNER) HERE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFxADC0o8Ds

>>3831459

SF4 And SF5 are crap games. Reason: DIMPS & Ono.

>>3831919
> SNK is bad
> SFEX is good

I like it. Stereotypes are the best way to design characters.
But we had too many games like this in the 90's and nowadays this would trigger someone.

Shame we never got a true blackface character with a bone in the hair like one of those 40's cartoons. I'm serious. Blackface are amazing.

>>3831828
>>3831919
Poor vr shitter babies do nothing but cry about how much you suck

>>3833547
Ehem, /pol/, what?

>>3833963
Baby gramps no doubt

It's all down to the way the market works. In the old days you could have lots of different IPs, each with their own theme. Street Fighter had the national martial artists, Darkstalkers had the cartoony movie monsters, Cyberbots had the mecha, Rival Schools had the Japanese school tropes, etc. But as budgets grew and the management became more and more business-oriented, they quit that. They culled all the IPs aside from the one that sells the most. But at the same time, they can't let that one IP get stale, and they feel they have to make it appeal to literally everyone, so they shove all sorts of disparate themes into it to the point where it lacks identity.

>>3834016
It was more due to player behavior. Fighters aren't like platformers or action games where you play through them a few times and move on. Most find what one or a series they really like and then stick with it until they master it.

Combine that with the multiplayer focus to the genre and many people will gravitate towards what's popular so there is a lot of people to play with. So with fighting games they tend to either be very popular or flops. So going forward they just had to stick with what would make them money.

>>3834016
>so they shove all sorts of disparate themes into it to the point where it lacks identity.

What game are you talking about?

>>3834069
Street Fighter, you know, the one this thread is about? The series that used to be about martial artists but over the years has added schoolgirls, fortune tellers, illuminati Gods, T-1000s, cyborgs and Pillar Men?

>>3834094
All of them are also martial artists though. I don't see either a fortune teller or cyborg as all that much weirder than a green electric mutant. Also they added a schoolgirl to that series before they made a school based game in the first place so it's not like Sakura was a reaction to Rival Schools not being popular enough.

I won't say much to defend the SF roster in general since I've always thought it was a little lame but wow this is some serious nit picking. Only ever having racial stereotype martial artists would have been even more dull.

>>3834053
The thing is the idea of "what makes money" has become increasingly radicalized over the years. You just have to look at all the games these days that sell several million copies but are considered failures to see that. Games like Darkstalkers were plenty successful for the standards of their time. But the executives just wanted more and more and more and the industry has suffered for it.

>>3834125
>You just have to look at all the games these days that sell several million copies but are considered failures to see that.

It's a business, not a charity.

>>3831459
>Generic Muscular Russian wrestler
>Literally Stroheim from battle tendency except american
>Generic sumo wrestler
>Generic indian dude who meditates
>Chinese girl in typical china dress
>Karate Man 1 and 2
>But today's characters are bland

Nostalgia makes you dumb.

>>3834094
I'm quite sure you'd bitch about Blanka and possibly Dhalsim if they had been introduced in a more recent game.

>>3834189
More likely he was dumb to start with which is why nostalgia is so comforting. What can you expect from hillbilly trash though?

>>3834125
So greedy fuckers ruined creativity?

>>3834108
if you really can't tell the exteme thematic difference between a school girl and a green mutant then I have a pink bunny who throws carrots and cupcakes as a character I want to add to next Street fighter game

>>3834367
People like schoolgirls and cute girls in general, especially in fighting games. Most sane people would consider adding a schoolgirl to the roster of any given fighting game a good thing. Get over it already.

Out of all the characters in Street Fighter, this guy is the only one that I think actually looks out of place. He looks like he'd fit right in with the KoF cast instead. They did it on purpose, right?

>>3834574
I get what you mean. These characters that seem like they just left a hair stylist salon to go to a party are more SNK style.

Although it even had Q, Necro, Oro, Twelve. Really,

>>3834201
Not him, but these two characters added the touch of originality that was just needed to avoid insipidity.

It was not a freak show with 20 out-of-place characters.

>>3834189
>Dhalsim
>generic

Also the concept of various fighters was bland, but the execution was amazing, so "Karate Man 1 and 2" looked really cool and impressive compared to rival fighting games.

>>3831459
I thought Street Fighter's gimmick was racial stereotypes too, and I definitely see that was missing as the series move on. I also thought Street Fighter IV was actually just a remake of SF2 (aka resurrect the series and bank hard on nostalgia with the old cast). Alpha and EX weren't based on world fighters but I thought they were really good, it was probably the music. Alpha though had genuine amazing sprite work.

>>3833316
we're not on /v/, you don't have to pretend you've ever played EX
hope you're having a blast in 02um training mode by yourself though :^)

>>3834574
I think even Capcom said they were copying Iori

>>3834757
>you don't have to pretend you've ever played EX
I did not in fact, I avoid shit games
>hope you're having a blast in 02um training mode by yourself though
"Ahaha nigga play actually popular games like SFEX familia"
kys

>>3835054
Naaaah that's when they made Crimson Viper, aka manface Bitch.

>>3834604
>>3834574
>>3834189
>>3831459
>>3835054
So I guess it goes like this.

SF1: the most "normal" cast that comes closer to a martial arts movie

SFII: The World Stereotypes

SFA: Less Stereotypes, more animu.

SFEX: The Tekken-like cast

SFIII: The Freak Challengers

SFIV:.....Meh, just do Super Vanilla in 3D with different new challengers, with a fat blob, a generic of the generics, a homo pillar man Turk, a KOF parody which I guess the joke is that she's a Manish women, Rita Sexpulsa & just one Stereotype, don't forget the reject asset challengers from that shit vs game

SFIV: kinda Wannabe stereotypes but more like bleerghh, except for the Chinaman, the rest, meh, female not blanka that should have been a carnaval dancer garota, another pillar faggot that nobody knows who's nationality belongs, a Russian gurl, and a turban dude with a scouter.

>>3834685

Dhalism is very generic

>>3835320
WELL he is more of a freak.

A corpse looking Indian guy who needs some cheese burgers and stretches his limbs and breaths fire and might have been inspired by curryman from Kinnikuman who already looks racy.

Yep, pretty generic.

>>3835330
>Vague Indian Yoga mysticism

extremely

>>3835317
Alright, here's my take on it.
SF1 was actually more or less about "street fighting" as you said. Tuff enuff streetwise guys, punks, etc. Kinda like Double Dragon atmosphere-wise.
Here's a point of particular interest: Fatal Fury 1 was directed by some guy who left Capcom after working on SF1. And lo and behold… You actually do fight in the street in it, as well as in a cafe, on the beach, etc. There's a whole Southtown setting for this. Terry Bogard looks more like your street fighting fella too.
Next is… Final Fight. The game's working title was Street Fighter '89, but eventually they changed the genre and the name. Despite that, you can see the game shares some semblance with SF1. Same street setting, but different heroes.
Now, the big change came when SF2 was released. It was all in its title: World Warrior. This theme of international fighting tournament can be seen in Bloodsport for example; but heck, Punch-Out did something very similar. Actually, I'm reading that initially the game was supposed to be set on an isolated island hosting the tournament—think Enter the Dragon. I any case, they mostly abandoned their "street" roots in it.
Next up is SF Alpha. It took place between SF1 and 2, and as such, it had a lot of characters from SF1 return, but with some changes, for example Birdie, Eagle and Gen; also, Cody was supposed to be Joe, initially. Of course, they also added Final Fight characters. And the new ones added parody (Dan) and animu (Sakura), so at this point, I'd consider this more of a mashup/everything goes game more than anything.
SFIII was initially set to have a new generation of fighters. And that'd be great, but they also added mutant-like characters Akiman made for a completely unrelated game. They also decided against leaving Ryu/Ken out, so last minute they edited Sean's sprite to get both into the game. Subsequently, they screwed the vision even further, adding Chun-Li, Akuma, and other old characters.

>>3835317
>>3835379
As for IV and V, frankly, IV barely has any. It's an obvious mashup/throwback to the old games, a "best of" compilation of its most successful moments. As such, it doesn't give much concern about the continuity/atmosphere; the only general direction is the cartoony feel and oversaturated colors. As for the new characters, most if not all agree that they sucked.
V is similar, but at least it has more muted color palette, more realistic look, and more interesting characters from III and Alpha 3. But again, new characters suck in it, and barely help the little direction/atmosphere there was.

>>3835379
>There's a whole Southtown setting for this.

I fucking LOVE South Town. I think it's what really helped elevate the SNK games for me. Between Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting they actually created a real world for their characters to live in. All the places and stages you fighting have a real tangible connection to the characters. It gives you a real sense of what they could be doing and where they are when they're not fighting as well as giving you a real reason to want to see Geese thrown off a building and stop his criminal empire. It's admittedly very shallow 80s movie stuff but it's a nice extra bit of characterization that really fleshes out the games.

Street Fighter certainly has some nice stages but their all too token. You go to some air field in who knows what state, you go to some Japanese temple, some Russian construction site or a Chinese street but they're too disconnected from anything. They don't really flesh out the setting beyond what we already know of their real world counterpoints. Where in India is Dhalism's stage, Japan has a lot of bath houses. It's just a back ground.

Honestly I really wish more developers would take some extra care to establish proper stages for their fighters. A fighting game character needs to give away a lot of information about who they are as a person visually and having a proper setting can boost that a hundred fold.
I really wish SNK would do more with the South Town setting because even KOF doesn't really do it as well as the South Town games stage wise.

To Capcom's credit Rival Schools had a pretty good setting, you got a sense of where the schools are their relation ships and even their rivalries all via the setting. You got drive in theaters and amusement parks and places the fighters may go and Justice High has a lot of weight as a location just by how it connects to the other schools.

So yeah fighting game devs need to learn to maybe scale back and create stages that create a world.

>>3835403
Yeah, pretty much nothing to add to this.
Then again, it was only SNK that was known for its deliberate focus on stories. Capcom didn't really go that far, except with Rival Schools (which, ironically, really does mirror SNK games in many ways).
Alas, as >>3834016 mentioned, today small comfy franchises have little chance to survive. With 50+ characters from multiple franchises in one roster, it's hard to keep it down to 1 city with its own deliberate story.

>>3835415

You're not wrong but I think there's room to fan out from KOF and make other games set in south town. Ive always wanted a beat em up set there (that's not a Streets of Rage mod)

>>3835438
> Ive always wanted a beat em up set there
It's been a long time since SNK made those. But then again, ArcSys is making Double Dragon/Nekketsu now and they're looking good or at least OK. Maybe they could do something like that on 3DS.
Still, SNK's franchises seem to be put on hold permanently. And what sells in Japan nowadays is mostly waifu shit. I can hardly see them making a new Southtown game. It'd be going against the current really hard.

>>3831459
Its a great theme

>>3834551
can't tell if you're trolling or not. God I hope you're trolling. If you ever find yourself beginning a sentence with "people like school girls...." then you automatically know what you're saying is very very wrong

>>3835379
>so last minute they edited Sean's sprite to get both into the game.
Other way around. Sean was a last minute addition because Hugo was taking too long to develop due to his X-Box huge sprites. So at the last minute they decided to make a quick shotoclone to fill the slot instead and Hugo had to wait until Second Impact.

>>3834367
Even if you think she doesn't fit, she was added when Capcom was making their varied games like Cyberbots and Rival Schools so your whole narrative about "budgets grew and the management became more and more business-oriented, they quit that" is still just total bullshit.

The amount that whine about things like this is astounding.

>>3835817
Are you pretending to be stupid, or do you you seriously not understand what he was referring to? The Japanese are crazy about school girls in sailor suits. They're one of the most overused tropes in all Japanese video games.

>>3836219
no you fucking IDIOT. I get exactly what he says and it's just plain wrong, creepy, and just disturbing. I don't give a shit if Japanese like school girls , have them segregated into another game like Rival Schools or whatever, but not in a game called STREET FIGHTER.

dumb pedo fuck.

>>3831459
love SF. always have

>>3837510
>dumb pedo fuck.
Cringed hard

>>3834574
Street Fighter 3 is all sorts of malligned, urban themed then quickly ditched for weird characters

>>3838059
any grown ass man who uses the word "cringe' is ironically cringy

anyone who "likes" school girls in anything is a pedo by default. it's really that simple.

>>3838167
You probably also think being attracted to fourteen year old girls is pedo lmao
Stop being retarded

>>3838239
what the fuck?

ummm yes, I do? are you joking?

>>3838289
>he doesn't know the difference between pedo and hebe
Get the fuck off my 4chan normalfag

>>3838339

you're 4chan ? did you just come in fresh from 9gag you fucking faggot ?

>>3838801
Nice to see that you don't have any argument

>>3837510

You know it's entirely possible to NOT sexualize them. It's sort of on you to a point too.

>>3831459
>the psycho power anime school girl funko Japanese pop music Bullshit.

What the fuck is this statement even supposed to convey? Second of all why is the only capitalized word the last?

>>3835317
You forgot third strike cock gargler.

>>3839773
i do but you just skirted around it:

would you be ok with having a giant pink bunny who throws carrots and cupcakes as his special moves added to the next Street fighter? because apparently we are acting dumb and you can't tell the thematic difference between a ferocious looking green mutant and a skinny little 14 year old school girl

>>3838339
>thinking the distinction is important
In the eyes of the law, you're still a child molester.

>>3840231
I wasn't talking about if certain stereotypes are fitting for street fighter or not, I was talking about your assumption that the concept of school girls is pedo, which is retarded

>>3840258
It's still wrong not to differenciate between the two

>>3838289
>>3838167
>>3837510
>>3835817
Is this considered normal on /vr/?

>>3837510
A schoolgirl who knows martial arts seems to me a lot more fitting for a game called Street Fighter than pretty much anyone in the cast of Street Fighter 2.
Take a look at the cast of Agressors of Dark Combat. With the exception of that ninja from World Heroes as a guest, it features the sort of fighters you'd actually see picking fights on the street, including a schoolgirl. You know, street fighters, not professional martial artists and police force (And a green mutant) from around the world. So arguing that Sakura doesn't fit a game because it's called Street Fighter is ridiculous. She also fits the overall theme of the series a lot better than a fucking green mutant.

>>3831459
I'm 100% with you brother.

>>3841435
no its considered normal everywhere.

>>3841458
no man. Jesus what kind of weird logic is that?

Street fighter implies gritiness and bare knuckle pit fights and illegal violence. the first thing that comes to your mind from that is a skinny little 14 year old school girl in her uniform ? seriously?

I don't know how to even respond to that. it's just... odd that that even comes to your mind at all. if anything a school girl is the antithesis of a tough street brawler or even toughness in general:

i.e "wow you pussy you hit like a SCHOOL GIRL"

>>3841567
Sukeban gangs would fight over territory in Japan. There are no instances of green electric men or stretchy Indians in real world fights.

>>3841567
>it's just... odd that that even comes to your mind at all
It really isn't. Japanese schoolgirls fighting and shooting beams are a pretty common thing yet you act like it's such an unthinkable, otherworldly concept. It's like you're from another planet.

>>3841567
>Street fighter implies gritiness and bare knuckle pit fights and illegal violence.

and yet the game is an officially sanction tournament that professional fighters participate in.

>>3831459
Me too

>>3841593
>muh fictional girl gangs

>>3841909
>Muh realistic video game about people who shoot fireballs and generate electricity

>>3841567
>>3837510
Welcome to video gaming. First, yes, your favorite games were made in Japan with Japanese audience first in mind. Imagine that. You're probably the same guy who complains about feminine boys in Castlevania, tainting your favorite franchise with some faggy bullshit. But in case you haven't noticed, the popularity for cheesy martial art flicks and Arnie movies ended in the '80s. Japan was no exception.
They just moved on to what was popular at the time. In America, it was grunge, satanism, rave, '70s nostalgia and such. In Japan, it was their anime, manga, j-rock and eurobeat. So, what a surprise, SFA has a girl in a skirt. Japanese should have totally banned that, but not Sailor Moon, Urusei Yatsura and all the PC-98 eroge.
Second, in case you haven't noticed, Street Fighter has long left its "street" roots, and left them to Final Fight. It's pretty much only in the name. If anything, it should've been renamed "World Warrior".
Yes, it's silly and makes no sense… So what? Let me remind you for a second that it's a game where guys throw fireballs at each other, and do a ton of other ridiculous bullshit. SF2 was envisioned as a game of crazy new ideas and characters, in case you didn't know that. You want realism? Play UFC games or whatever. You want gritty street fights? Def Jam or beat 'em ups. You want burly men grappling? Take Saturday Night Slam Masters, all the WWF games, etc.
Street Fighter is not street and it's not real fighting. And it hasn't been for over 25 years. Guess what, people still play every game in the series. Maybe because they liked the game as it was.

>>3837510
>dumb pedo fuck.
You're the one talking about wanting to fuck them, creepshow. Not everything that's put in a video game is there to me masturbated to. That's your problem, don't hoist it on everyone else.

Also you're not losing your shit over Sean who is about the same age, and the only difference is he happens to be wearing a gi.

Ohh and be sure to never play King of Fighters, it'll probably give you an aneurysm

>>3831459
didn't they always stick with the tournament thing?
4 did at least, it was sponsored by SIN i think.

>>3831459
>honestly am I the only one nostalgic for the World Warrior international fighting tournament theme of the old Street fighter 2 series and sick of the psycho power anime school girl funko Japanese pop music Bullshit of today's street fighter 4 and 5?

what the hell is this guy even saying?
also no, i've enjoyed everything SF has had to offer when it comes to characters and world building, the only real problem is when it comes to gameplay.

>>3835302
viper is hot as fuck though.
when she doesn't have that godawful hair.

>>3842661

>>3842645
>what the hell is this guy even saying?
He thought Street Fighter was Streets of Rage and then got mad when he realized he was wrong.

>>3842661
>viper is hot as fuck though.

That's because she's basically an SNK character.

>>3831919
it's pretty neat that they are canon now.

>>3842686

>>3842686
>>3842694
they are not, they just fanservice mention.

Arika still has them, and since they died.................yeah

>>3842661
>>3842671
>>3842664
Fanart doesn't count!, i know that the actual SF4 cartoony american style doesn't help, since americans own SF now, but cmon, you cant possibly be honest when you said that she doesn't look manish in game!

That's the joke, she is an SNK parody character who is a female but manish, cause the SNK protags are a bunch of queer looking twinks!, SO CLEVER!

>>3842738
they actually gave some of them stories for V
>Blair is the only daughter of the well known Dame family, a rich European family with a large foundation. She was given a special education for gifted children, where she learned many different martial arts. She loves genuine fights, is a member of the "Worldwide Young Ladies Club" along with Pullum, and owns various luxurious villas all around the world. Her mother worries constantly about her when she travels, as such she forces a butler and a bodyguard, Cracker Jack, to follow her around

>>3842746
>Pullum is a wayward young lady who is brimming with curiosity and loves new things. She's searching for her Arab father, Barba Purna, who is working at Shadaloo's base, and travels the world to find him. She often causes trouble for her bodyguard Darun. She's also a member of the Worldwide Young Ladies Club.

>>3842661

Viper is a fug ugly chud and basically just a blatant Vanessa ripoff

>>3842751
Born in the United States and of German heritage[1], he was assigned to a special force with great expectations about his future. However, his unit was exterminated by an ambush from Rolento's enemy troops and he was the sole survivor. Filled with hatred for both Rolento and his former superior Guile, he has now become a killing machine burning with a desire for revenge, wanting to win by any means necessary

>>3842742
omar dogan is from udon, so i guess you could call it "official" fanart.
speaking of stupid hair

>>3842742
>Fanart doesn't count
This >>3842671 is official art you tard.

I don't think she looks any more manish than the other SFIV characters. But you can lose your shit over it if you want I guess.

>>3831469
Get the fuck out of here. Guile's theme makes life better.

>>3842791
SFA3 is my favorite
https://youtu.be/hH6WgNe5HZ8
https://youtu.be/Hej1YewhRCo

>>3842791
Nice try.

You can have your own opinion if you want though. If you enjoy Guile's music then knock yourself out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS7EPzE-R8s

>>3842813
snk is trash dude stop posting

>>3842819
T. SF babby

>>3842819
You're cute when you're upset. :)

>>3842819

Id post a witty retort but it's not ready yet. Ill have it out for you in about a year via DLC

>>3842823
the thread is about sf, retard

why is "don't shitpost" such a hard concept for snk apologists? is it a language barrier thing?

>>3842832
Coming from the guy who writes "snk is trash"

Why are you always such a big baby about everything?

>>3842828

>>3842838
>Coming from the guy who writes "snk is trash"
i only posted it because it's true. start an snk thread on pueblachan if you can't handle the facts.

don't mierdapost, amigos

>>3842856
lol you have some real problems.

>>3842738
arika/NIN NIN worked on it with them apparently

>>3842867
Arika still exists??

>>3842873
http://www.arika.co.jp/
apparently so

>>3834685
he is pretty generic

>>3842738
They are canon.

>Arika still has them
And? What's wrong with that? And they're still pretty alive.

>>3842873
Who cares? They are irrelevant.

>>3842780
>stupid hair
she's supposed to be jolyne

>>3831459
>honestly am I the only one nostalgic for

Nostalgia is for weak idiots.

>>3831459
If they will ever do this, this must be Ryu's theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMDFYaWfp_s