/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT EVENTS ===

[Highway to Hell] Second phase of mapping has started! Ends on Feb 28th
>>>>/vr/thread/3757618#p3759223

[Til 4-1] QUMP is still going!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit

[Til 3-15] Dropbox will be dropping support of public folders in mid-March

=== NEWS ===

[2-22] Freedoom v0.11.1 released, fixes SBARINFO
https://github.com/freedoom/freedoom/releases/tag/v0.11.1

[2-21] TheRailgunner is back, expect progress on The Trooper and X-Weapon
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55321
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=978921#p978921

[2-20] Disjunction released
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/disjunct

[2-18] Intermission E1M9 uploaded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrlFLXMRQLg

[2-17] Vinesauce Doom Mapping Contest 2016 winners finally announced; WADs released for download
https://vargskelethor.me/winners/
https://vargskelethor.me/winners/wads/

[2-15] /doom/ news archive now available!
http://pastebin.com/PZDkqABT

[2-14] MetaDoom updated to 3.0
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010

[2-12] Circle of Demons update
http://www.moddb.com/mods/circles-of-demons/news/reworking-on-panels

[2-12] Quake Injector now uses HTTPS, mandatory update required
https://www.quaddicted.com/tools/quake_injector

[2-11] Chocolate Doom to use SDL 2.0 in 3.0 beta
https://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/V3.0_beta
https://github.com/chocolate-doom/chocolate-doom/blob/sdl2-branch/NEWS.md

[2-10] Modding Nu-Doom made possible
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/5t1z8l/doomextract_updated_modding_is_possible_again_and/

[2-8] gdxBloodCM Progress Video #6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzvLXWZlE3Y

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=== PROTIP ===

If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, please reply/backlink to this post.

Howdy /vrdoom/, I'm having trouble coming up with a good layout for a hub area for this map. It's supposed to be right beyond the front door of the fortress, and I also want it to be good for deathmatch. Any tips?

>>>/vg/ exists for a reason, you know.

>>3816246
Why do you waste your time?

>>3816246

You might have better luck if you took this to the mods or something, instead of impotently complaining at random people. Might.

>>3816252
Well, he could always bitch on /qa/ about it, but that board practically has no power and is currently overrun by either /jp/, [s4s], or both. People also call it /qa/ddit for a reason, and it's probably just as bad as /x/.

Fuck off doom babbies.

what's the standard way of making soundtracks these days? is there a specific prefered format/soundfont/etc?

>>3816269
>what's the standard way of sucking cocks these days? is there a specific preferred method/cockgobbling technique/etc?

i guess you want lots of doors on different levels/heights, staircases, around a central open area with a dais on which a BFG is up on pole? i dunno. i have an image of an entrance to some corporation headquarters in my mind.

>>3816238
what's with the full-brightness

>>3816267
i didn't even need to read that before a retarded grin spread upon me.

maybe i should try again
abandoned nod bases

>>3816246
>>3816267
>>3816270
it's been four years, dude. it's time to stop.

>>3816267
i was born in the late 90s actually

>>3816282
Christ are his feelings STILL hurt over basic chan culture? How the fuck hasn't all of Germany's valid IP range been banned yet from his bullshit?

welp, this thread is off to a fucking fantastic start

>>3816270
You tell us, You seem to be the expert

>>3816269

MIDI's vastly preferred due to file size reasons, and some believe it fits DOOM's lo-fi visuals better.

As for soundfont, as far as I'm aware most people just use the default playback in ZDoom/Windows.

Please add gameplay to "I wanna fuck that map"

http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=tt68gw

Repost for new thread (prev. >>3815946 >>3816009 >>3816075)

>>3816282
the cancer of the babby general must be stopped. you shitters need to literally fuck off and die. you're literally a giant gaping asshole on the face of /vr/ and in the history of doom

>>3816289
I'm aware faggot

>>3816271
thanks I think that'll work, and yeah it's supposed to be a UAC headquarters of some sort

>>3816281
It's outside and being bright and colorful is my shtick most of the time

>>3816296
:3c

Don't reply to him, just report him.

>>3816298
There's ways to do that with shading.

>>3816298
look at the first two levels of equinox, perhaps. it does this quite well (it fakes having a hub by copying map 2 four times with slight modification) although don't copy it too much as it's kind of annoying to play

>>3816295
nice malware attempt bud

>>3816267
>it's literally all true

>>3816304
>a-aaaaaah! my vaginal cramps! m-mods! h-heeelllpppppp ;_;

fucking reddit doom babbies i swear

>>3816323
This is bound to be an excellent thread

>>3816323
>replying to yourself

>>>/vg/

>>3816309
explain? the file is clean. it should have the following sha1sum
3ceff1f3b50554b4f122bd33a2df29ae5e27ac11 iwanna.wad

just verifying this...
% curl -s 'http://temp-host.com/download.php?file=tt68gw' | sha1sum
3ceff1f3b50554b4f122bd33a2df29ae5e27ac11 -

>>3816356
He's just shitposting dood. However people prefer MEGA and dropbox these days

>>3816369
PC said it was one.

>doomkart is STILL doing this

>>3816282
>pic related
its like yanderedev but alot more cringey lmao

>>3816221
Universal Intermission Mod for Doom 2 Released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=55323

>>3816442
Also make your own intermission out of this for your own mapsets/megawads.

>>3816269
I always go for MIDI, using general midi sounds. It just feels more doom-ish and forces you to get really creative within the limitations. also good for file size.

Here's one I did recently (for a /vr/ project I haven't seen for a while...), GMIDI only, rendered to an mp3 file for the purpose of uploading:

https://clyp.it/p0gwg2hf#

What was the most recent WAD you played?

Was it good?

>>3816483
Congestion 1024. What it is is a whole megawad where the playing space doesn't get larger than a 1024x1024 space. It was hard enough to be a good challenge, but not insanely hard like some wads can be, aside from a couple of difficulty spikes. Also doesn't turn into a slaughterwad at any point, which is always a plus. Guess it's true what they say, art really does come from limitations, or something like that.

>>3816483
>trying to play valiant
>early levels suck
>skip to 4th episode
>4 cyberdemons on first level
>turns into pseudo-slaughter after a few switches are hit
>get flashbacks from AA
>close game
So is skillsaw a meme or something? AA was bad (but looked amazing), Valiant is pretty meh, most of his other assorted maps look good but are just the same monster spam over and over, and his megawads are MBF so you can't even play them with ZDoom mods to spice the gameplay up a bit. I'm just not seeing what makes his maps so great.

Seven rockets... seven rockets is all I can spare to play with you.

Oom 2: Kevin's Revenge

>>3816514
no, just you don't like his maps

perfectly fine, mate

>>3816483
disjunction map 4 and map 6 had a lot of problems
i disagree with only giving the player a shotgun (rather than a ssg) in map 6 against enemies that mostly consist of doom 2 addons and cacos as it made the map feel pretty tedious.

>>3816514
>and his megawads are MBF so you can't even play them with ZDoom mods to spice the gameplay up a bit

Uh. Yes you can, dude. You totally can.

I mean, it's okay if you don't like his maps but don't make things up.

>>3816532
But Oom isn't even out, Anon!

And probably won't be until somebody puts some damned training wheels on my stupid mapping ass.

>>3816514
maybe youre just bad

>>3815704

>4chan's image server is very slow

since Hikikomori is in charge

>>3816514
If anything, hating on skillsaw maps because of "slaughtery gameplay" is a meme.

>>3816514
Only Valiant is MBF, and theres a special Vaccinated Edition version that removes all the custom monsters/weapons.

>>3816626
It' not really slaughter, it's more like enemy spam. Slaughter has more open areas and usually less cover, skillsaw puts tons of obstacles in the arena and uses slightly smaller numbers.
>>3816628
Welp, I'm an idiot. At least there's that, maybe I'll have more fun with them with final doomer or something.

>>3816630
>It' not really slaughter, it's more like enemy spam. Slaughter has more open areas and usually less cover, skillsaw puts tons of obstacles in the arena and uses slightly smaller numbers.

The vast majorioty of his maps are not much more spammy than mid-scythe 2, or BTSX. I still see such complaint as dumb.

>>3816649
Well, I don't really like it when it's the first mp in a set that's supposed to be pistol start and it opens with ~60 super imps from all sides and no way to flee that doesn't lead into more imps or chaingunners (Valiant MAP19). I'd complain if it was anyone doing it but skillsaw seems to very much like this kind of thing. It gets more tolerable if you carry weapons over from previous maps but if not it really sticks out as sloppy.

>>3816663
I'll give that you Valiant map19 is a bit of a rude map.

>>3816689
Actually I got it mixed up with MAP14. MAP19 is the cybie one, MAP14 is the way too many imps one. There's just a lot of that. However I just tried the Vaccinated Edition version and it's less ridiculous because the imps can actually be avoided without getting chipped to hell and back. Gameplay moddo time.

>>3816695
Map14 isnt that hard, IMO.

>>3816698
It's not hard, but it opens with a really stupid encounter then gradually gets easier. It would have been better if the imp spam was right before the archvile, so you'd easily kill them all then have to face down a harder opponent who also brings them back.

>slaughtermaps are bad
Nice meme! Maybe if it's a shitty box with mismatching textures; but how can you say that with shit that's actually well thought out? Sunder? Sunlust? Deus vult? Please. There ARE good slaughtermaps out there. You just gotta know what they are and where they are. And you don't even need to do straight up slaughter; just the feeling of an invasion. An easy way to make a slaughter map interesting is to throw all the tricks and gimmicks you can at it. Turrets, Dummy marines, map hazards. You name it.

>>3816483
The space hulk wad being developed on the zdoom forums. Pretty fun even though its in very early development - legit map from the old space hulk game. Needs some nice genestealer sprites though... no mean feat.

>>3816705
Eh, I think the map was designed with using the barrels in mind.

>>3816721
Problem with that though, is that for the beginning you'll blow yourself up waiting for the imps to get into a good position because you'll dodge a fireball and it'll hit one behind you.

Whatever though, I dun liek it, but it's more tolerable without the custom monsters.

>>3816730
>Problem with that though, is that for the beginning you'll blow yourself up waiting for the imps to get into a good position because you'll dodge a fireball and it'll hit one behind you.
I never had that problem myself.

Sgt Mark did nothing wrong

Does anybody else know this wad? It's somewhat like void; but the gameplay was very claustrophobic.

I tried to replicate what I could remember here. These were transparent though, and there was a lot more detail; this segment here is all I remember however

>>3816719
Does SIDF show up every thread?

>>3816269
MIDI but dont bother with your shitty Yamaha MIDI
Either put down the $80 for a proper Roland or dont make MIDI music at all

>>3816805
>sidf
Nobody knows what the I stands for.

But fuck that, who cares, E D F!

doom defense force when?

>>3816830
It's for Slaughtermap Internet Defense Force. He's some kind of autist who keeps replying to himself in order to keep shitposting.

Also holy shit I'd play the fuck out of EDF Doom but I'm not sure the engine could handle it.

>>3816832
>not sure the engine could handle it
The engine can handle NUTS; it can handle Planetside...

I'm pretty sure DDF would be possible.

that's not me making the SIDF claim anon, i'm the one he made the reply to.

>>3816832
>It's for Slaughtermap Internet Defense Force. He's some kind of autist who keeps replying to himself in order to keep shitposting.
It's all right to not like slaughtermaps, anon, but don't be so "special" as to claim everyone that likes them or doesn't care is one single person.

That's almost as bad as claiming every shitposter is DKG.

>>3816220
:^)

>doom babbies

When would you use Aseprite in your workflow? Is there any reason you would use Aseprite if you had Photoshop too?

I'm wondering if people like Aseprite because it is so simple and rudimentary.

I think I originally discovered it when reading about color palettes in doom. Is it really helpful for our doom-based purposes?

>>3816856
/agdg/?
Workflow for a Doom mod is a bit different than workflow for other things. Personally I make each actor on its own first, test it, then touch everything up at the end. So I'd be using Aseprite near the beginning of creation of an actor, for each actor, then again at the end to touch up any little warts.

>>3816805
>>3816832
>only one person likes slaughtermaps
>liking slaughtermaps makes you a shitposter

>>3816862

Thanks for explaining your method, anon! If you had Photoshop, would you gravitate towards Aseprite because its simpler to work at that low-resolution level of detail?

I'm fairly fluent in Photoshop (not for Doom tho) and trying to understand what Aseprite would make easier.

>>3816869
To be honest I don't make many sprites since there are so many already available, but yeah I've been looking into it as a replacement for GIMP for a while now (because GIMP is shiiiiiit). Generally I'd say it's better to use tools you know how to use, but I'd say the main feature for me would be seeing the other frames in the "onion" mode and being able to animate the thing in-editor. Doing that would make it a lot easier to both ensure that the animations look right (as in all the parts align correctly and there's no bits that shift around awkwardly) and also to determine a good speed to animate them at.

Basically though, just use what you know unless you hit problems.

Well, I've found a new use for the chaingun. Turns out that it turns swarms of imps/pinky demons into fish in a barrel because once the front-line ones get massacred in half a second the others start to freak out and panic. The effect is somewhat lessened on larger groups due to how fear recovery works but when they're funnelled into a hallway the chaos makes it easy to trap the less-cowardly demons behind them and effectively fuck them to death from both sides.

Also reworking revvie missiles again, I might make the homing ones faster to increase their turn arc and make them easier to hit into walls with good movement, as compensation for their new ability to adjust their pitch as well as yaw.

Depending on how this all goes, I might do a very beta release this Sunday. If I do, I'll probably set up a discord or IRC channel so everyone can post feedback there so it won't get lost in the thread. That or I'll suck it up and post it to the ZDoom forums.

>>3814665
>>3815996
Got this error when loading a save. Don't know if there are some bugs/effects that result from this.

>>3816915
>very beta release
So is not everything in the manual you posted earlier completed yet, or do you have even more ideas than what was in there?

Two questions :

1) What's the difference between zDoom and Chocolate Doom? Someone tells me that Doom was like overhauled but I actually want it in the original state - mouse look/mouse aim actually make me nauseous.

2) Is there a non-DOSBOX version of Blood yet?

>>3817092
ZDoom doesn't have any limitations in map making. It's also got a very extensive code system where you can do many things that you'd never imagine Doom ever doing.
Chocolate Doom is the closest you can get to DOS Doom while not using actual DOS.

And yes, there is. It's called CMBlood which uses the EDuke32 engine. I heard the author's actually remaking it though into something better. There's also maybe a port of Blood being made by the Doom 64 EX guy coming at some point on the future.

>>3817092
Chocolate Doom is like Doom in DOS except it's not DOS or DOSbox.

GZDoom is so much more advanced that some had the idea of making a GPL fork for devs wanting to make standalone games.

>>3817096
>>3817102
Thanks lads. Sounds like I want Chocolate Doom for basic Doom playing.

I'll look into CMBlood as well.

>>3816514
I was disappointed with Valiant. I love its first and final episodes. But episodes 2-4 were kinda a mixed bag for me, especially episode 4. I also wasn't a fan of the Knight/Baron replacements either.

Ancient Aliens I found a lot better. Encounter designs seemed more focused and thought out. The difficulty curve feels more natural aswell, even if the first map has a cyberdemon. And I like that the final episode has a bunch of guest mappers to add some variety.

>>3817092
You can disable Mlook in most modern ports.

If you want Pure Vanilla go Chocolate
If you want something less pixelated, use Crispy Doom - its same as Chocolate, but double resolution, actually close to Doom95, which is how many played it in early windows era.

If you want to run cool new maps that chocolate/vanilla cant handle - use PRBoom+

If you want mods and more complex maps/TCs use (G)ZDoom

>>3816483
cheating through d2ino. many of the levels are good visually, but it's amazing how annoying they are to play.

>>3817119
Crispy is good for pure limit removing maps as well.

>>3817121
d2ino is honestly a bad megawad. At has a couple of okay maps, and the secret level is great. But thats about it.

>>3816514
Skillsaw is style over substance, yes.

>>3816568
Thanks for input. It has gotten pretty lot of flak, so I'll probably look into improving it ( replacing monsters with weaker ones )

>>3816980
There's also something whacky about blueprint spawning. So far 99% of the blueprints I got were flare ones.

>>3816514

Why would anyone ruin a skillsaw WAD with shitty gameplay mods? Vanilla is the way to go. Always.

>>3817135
Is he really? I quite enjoy the gameplay in his maps.

When I think Style over substance, I think of Hellbound or any Russian map

New version for Highway to Hell waterworks.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NxOZlEf5aNNVpJbFpYNENFVXc/view?usp=sharing

The bridge is now walkable middle textures, a new secret ( pretty easy one ).
I was thinking of new track as well, but can't decide yet. I tried something from TMNT: Tournament Fighters, but the volume was too low. Perhaps I should have used 'Scrapyard', it's such a lovely track, but perhaps that would be showing my inspirations bit too clearly.
So the music's unchanged.

It requires base.pk3 of the project, which contains the textures etc.

Gameplay mods need to go away. I am in favor of shutting down the ZDoom forums because those faggot modders on there are destroying this beautiful game. The only thing the Doom community needs is wads. A lot of wads. Everyone who doesn't like the original Doom gameplay can go fuck off and play Halo or some other fecking shitfest of a game.

>>3817057
Everything in the manual is done, but there's still more to add and not everything is tested fully yet. It's mainly a polish thing at this point, the core of the mod is all in there and playable.

>>3817468
You could just not play gameplay mods, and let the people who do like them still have their fun. Its not like classic mapsets are in a drought or anything.

>>3817468
Ok, Marge.

>>3817468
Hey, psst, Anon.. the first gameplay mods were being made within 1 year of Doom's original release back in 1993.

>>3817468
Hey, psst, Anon.. the first gameplay mods were being made within 1 year of Doom's original release.

>>3817468

attempting to be featured in doom_txt or hwat?

>>3817524

That's the second time you said that about a post of me. Why don't you just shut the fuck up and take your whining elsewhere? Maybe we can establish a little safespace over at faggot.com for little bitches like you, who can't bear criticism of their cherished Br00tal Doom crapmod.

>>3817524
That's exactly what he's doing, so just report him and don't reply.

>>3817507
i wonder what were the first mods to add new monsters (or modded ones that are more than a sprite change) and the same for weapons

>>3817534

Not him, but which rule did he violate?

>>3817576
GR3
GR6
Essentially, shitposting. Now I'm going to stop replying to avoid doing the same.

>>3817234
>>3817468

Don't worry guys, I punched 'im the fuck out! Pic related.

>>3817527
>implying anybody worth their salt likes the BROOPLE PORPLOR meme
Maybe if you didn't have such a shit taste in mods?

>>3817571
I think OMGWPNS was one of them.

>>3816483
>The Lost episode for Doom and Doom II

though outdated and in need of a good update for modern ports

its great, last map is a pain in the ass, though i had to play with Metroid Dreadnought, and the Wave beam helps A LOT there

>>3817135
>Skillsaw is style over substance, yes.
I've never had the impression that Skillsaw only cares about eyecandy. His map layouts and encounter designs usually show enough thought was put into the gameplay side of things, too.

The only flaw behind Skillsaw's mapping I'd say, is that he can be a bit formulaic at times. This is particularly noticable when playing Valiant.

>report shitpost
>get legit soft banned for misfiling form even though I didn't do anything
>shitposter still around
ain't even miffed. that's hysterical.

try not branding everything you disagree with as a shitpost and not being overly sensitive

>>3817645
Enjoy your ban!

>>3817650
>try leaving my shitfits slide under the radar pweddy pwease

>>3817650
you're right, autistic children like playing alone after all.

>>3817127
d2ino map11 sums it up really, a well-crafted level in the vein of classic memento mori town/fortress maps, but whose gameplay is full of utter frustration, with multiple forced runs through damaging floors, health and radsuit scarcity, and the ever present threat of one false step getting a rocket in your face, losing half an hour of extremely careful progression (i said "fuck it" and resurrected myself)

Hey guys, what do you think about those bonus tracks from the Doom 64 soundtrack that were unreleased?

I think this one sounds interesting because it reminds me of Xen from Half-Life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiqwAaw9-yI

>>3817650
While I agree that labeling something "bait" or "shitpost" can be an all too easy copout when you have no argument, it's fairly easy to tell when someone's just legitimately shitposting for (You)s. This happens to be the latter, in my opinion.

Huh, didn't notice this post until now
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1698231

>>3817830
what does it say?

>>3817838
Post by Esselfortium in 2017 goals thread. Post is from late December 2016
>I'd like to get a bunch of Back to Saturn X stuff done in 2017:
>Get the final release of E1 out. Hilariously long overdue.
>Release an updated version of E2, at least.
>Finish the three new texture sets being added for E3.
>Get E3 ready for release by the end of 2017.
>Get the finished texture wad released for public use :)

>>3817849
i see, thanks. so another year or so, if we're lucky.

>>3816442
>>3816446
awesome, nice work. I'll definitely be using this for a while.

>>3817862
Thank you!

>>3817849
I wonder if people will complain about Episode 3's difficulty. IIRC, Episode 2 already put off some players who prefer easier wads.

Quake 1 tournament now on FACEIT DICE

Randy dickford vs Nico

>https://dice.faceit.com/

Then its Tim Willits wiping the flor with Jeff Kaplains ass

>>3817884

>Blizzdrones circlejerk with Jeff

>>3817884
All I see is talking.

>>3816220
A bit odd of a question, but where do you go for WADs not published on Doomworld? Like where do you find adult wads from 1994?

>>3817894
After the talking will be randy being asskicked by nico on the Dark zone

>>3817571
I suppose it was Aliens TC?

>>3817915
That stuff can exist outside of GZDoom?!?

OK here it goes, randy will be asskicked so hard that he will increase the prices of all Douk games

I lol at GZDoom

Alright, which one of you is this?
http://steamcommunity.com/app/442780/discussions/0/360670708787878139/?ctp=8

randy wiped the floor with that david fella

well

3PM PST will be TIm Willits

>>3817920
harder to do and limited in scope but yes, it was technically possible

>>3817949
what does it say?

>>3817838
>not being a Registered Lurker

>>3817945
I lol at shitposts

>>3817961
Newgenners not knowing what the fuck they're talking about and being blown the fuck out by themselves.

>>3817903
[idgames]/themes/x-rated

>>3817949
It says there right in the post that it's by SArais.

Surprise, he's still a dumbass.

>>3817967
please may you copypaste it?

https://github.com/m-x-d/Duke-Builder

h u e

>>3817970
I'm the op (which is always a fag) you retard. I'm speaking of the other two idiots. Below the main post.

>>3817972
This is just gold, you are trying so hard but stil you are alone. Are you aware that you have failed?

Also, if you really know about games, you should appreciate them equally and not judge because of something so hipster like "popularity". CODs and GTAs are popular for a reason, those are great games, regardless of details.

Anyways, I will just stay here and keep making screesnshots of your comments so I can post them on reddit were even MORE people will laugh at you and scream "hey, you are wrong! you have no idea about games!"

>>3817980
>I'm the op (which is always a fag) you retard.

So you intentionally decided to crosspost your own goddamn shitposts?

Holy shit, you are a special level of dumbass.

>>3817980
tl;dr:

under-aged plebs show their power levels, implying NuDoom is any more than a cashgrab for brutal doom

>>3817980
>I'm the op (which is always a fag) you retard.
>he reposted his own shitpost
you deserve everything you get, desu

>>3817980
>I'm the op
congratulations

you played yourself

>>3817980

You're a dumbass.

>>3817980
i don't really get it but thanks. i clicked the link there was 8 pages to go through. need an executive summary.

>>3817979
LEL

>>3817949
you're really smart and this definitely belongs in the doom thread

what the fuck do you want us to do, pat you on the back?

>>3817979
I mean I really hope he makes it work, but christ is that ever childish.

>>3817949
>>3817980
>>3817982
God damn, Sarais, we're hitting autism levels that shouldn't even be possible.
Next time your shitpost on Steam ends up blowing up in your face, try not to pass it over to us for validation.

>>3817991
oh wait no i've just got what's going on. this guy sarais who posts here, posted a thread on steam and is getting flak for it, and he thinks he's being trolled by someone else from here, hence the initial question "which one of you is this".

further posts suggests he is looking for backup from other /vr/ posters who share his views on doom4, and will agree with him that his opponent is an idiot, validating his position.

is this correct?

>>3818012
>is this correct?
self replying again, >>3818007 seems to have come to a similar conclusion so i will assume that's what's up. sorry for my slowness in understanding.

So, stupid question time.

I have an old PC.
AMD Athlon 7750 dual core.

The GPU just shit out, as well as the LCD monitor, due to the less technically inclined not knowing to shut things off in a power outage they would try to turn it on every time the power flickered back for a second, only for the power to surge back on and off repeatedly. DESU i'm lucky the damn thing even still works, but RIP ATI graphics card.

I'm trying to play Doom and Hexen on it without GPU acceleration, but even at 320x240 (looks gorgeous on a CRT desu) it's stuttering hard in ZDoom.

While i'm waiting for the new parts, Should i switch to DOSbox, perhaps? or is there a source port that's less hardware intensive?

>>3818020
PrBoom+ will run on nearly anything, but it doesn't run ZDoom mods.

>>3818006
i don't know, it would be if there were sideswipes at the doom community but i don't see any

>>3818012
This appears to be correct, yes.

>>3818012
>>3818019
They're certainly doing the most laughable attempt of "trolling" I've ever seen.

>>3818029
The whole thing is a swipe t the Doom community, it's highly unlikely he'll finish the project considering his need for community approval as Duke's community is extremely small.

>>3818020
Have you tried vid_forceddraw? Also, if it's Windows version is newer than Vista, then running it in actual Software Mode (i.e DirectX 9 isn't used for drawing sprites and such) then you'll need a third-party wrapper.

>>3817979
DESU a new duke builder would be fucking sick

>>3818031
E4 sky, Doom2 theme, Plutonia monster placement.. looks interesting, what's the wad?

>>3817979
This absolute madman is actually doing it!

>>3818036
>You'll need a third party wrapper.

This is the first i've heard of this.
Do you have any further info or links?

>>3818039
demonizd.wad

>>3818031
One of these days, friend, you're just going to have to stop dropping the spaghetti.

>>3818047
I don't have any damned spaghetti left.

>>3818034
>The whole thing is a swipe t the Doom community
if you read it that way. i mean i know that was his last post. but maybe it's something he had wanted to do for a while.
>>3818046
thank you

https://itch.io/jam/resistjam

Hmmmm. I wonder how feasible it'd be to make a full game for this using GZDoom GPL/GLOOME.

>>3818054
If you can draw, not hard. Also GLOOME ded, use GZDGPL

There we go, I'm pretty pleased with how the Bomber knight behaves now, far more tolerable and potentially fun to engage with. I gave him a proper melee attack as well. Next up is the hellfos, then a chaos revenant overhaul, mancubus, archvile, and mastermind.

and sprites for the cyberdemon

>>3818043
Vista dropped support for DirectDraw, so all that system32/ddraw.dll does is wrap DDraw programs over to DirectX9. Luckily for you, Vogons has this: http://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36412&start=120#p533998

>>3818061
I told you not to throw that sword. Looks like the boys are paying you another visit.

>>3818054
GLOOME is dead because of GZDoom GPL

Also, Nocturne in Yellow already proves you can make full games for game jams, and there was an 8-bit first person platformer made in it as well, but i forget what it was called.

>We're encouraging jammers to think about peaceful and inclusive ways to approach game development: games about self-care, personal experiences, and activism are all absolutely valid methods of expression.

Unless you're ripping and tearing oppressive laws and bills i doubt DOOM mods would be appropriate

>>3818065
It was thrown doing what it loves: Cleaving into demons.

>>3818067
>not making a game where you're ripping and tearing "fascists" who try to oppressionkill you with mean words by using your own words of love and compassion read straight from the communist manifesto
You're just not being creative enough. There is surely a way to do it.

>>3817979
Ridiculous initial reasons for this being made aside, I wouldn't mind more tools to make stuff for Duke. Duke needs more love.

>>3818063
That's certainly interesting.
I assume it's just somehow plopped into the System32 folder, replacing d3d9.dll? Or how exactly is this installed.

>>3818061
>tfw read "chaos revenant" as "clown revenant"

>>3818079
You put it in the folder with the program. Don't EVER put it in sys32, or you might get your PC bricked.

>>3818080
>CLOWN revenants
AND I THOUGHT I WAS SATAN!

>>3818067
The first thing that came to mind is like one of those 90s "peaceful" shooters, like Chex Quest. You play as a doctor in sci-fi times that's working in other countries, and you shrink down to microscopic levels and go inside their bodies to shoot away diseases and AIDS and shit. Meanwhile, bureaucracy keeps trying to pull you out of the country.

>>3818067
>Unless you're ripping and tearing oppressive laws and bills i doubt DOOM mods would be appropriate
that would be really cool
grab berserk pack, go into an entire room of papers and bubblewrap

>>3818054
>>3818067
>>3818073

This seems like one of those things where it'd be amazing to use the VN mode from HDoom, assuming TZK/Mike is okay with it.

Or that new point-and-click engine thing from the Silent Hill TC.

>>3818054
This seems like an obvious "Press F to say Trump is bad" baitfest.
I'm in.

>>3818089
I had a similar idea, a they're-totally-not-being-killed-guys shooter like Chex Quest. I was thinking like an average kid who was using not-nerf guns to fire darts at imaginary monsters, though.

Twitch dot tv / IGN

OUR MAN TIM WILLITS IS GOING TO KICK ASS ON Q1DM6

>>3818110
Isn't it Q3DM6?

>>3818108
How about a game where you have no guns, but have to dodge and avoid tear gas/cops/mean words to rescue some minority orphans from Donald Trump? At the end you've gotta make him infight with his own fascist hordes and get destroyed by them.

Honestly aside from the theme a peaceful doom game where you have to only use infighting and dodging sounds kind of neat. Just make sure to be sincere enough about it that they don't think you're mocking their jam.

>>3818116
>Honestly aside from the theme a peaceful doom game where you have to only use infighting and dodging sounds kind of neat.

It really does, especially considering one of the biggest strengths of Doom's gameplay is the emphasis on projectiles and dodging them.

>>3818115

nope its Dark zone this time

>>3816220
Whoah, my caressing hand made it into the OP!

I made a "converse Cacos by petting them" mod a while ago, but it was rudimentary and I know that some other guy made a level with music and hearts appearing and all that, but did anything else come out of it?

>>3818118
Well, if you wanna use that idea go for it. If it's fun and is both funny but also not too mean to either side I could see a game like that doing well in a jam.

You could even play a regular dude who gets caught in the middle of the ultra-left and some kind of fictional Trumpian police state by forcing infighting between certain classes of monsters.

>>3818084
Well, it seems like DOSbox, PRboom, and Zdoom with the wrapper all have their own issues. Zdoom with the wrapper seemed to almost work but still stutters and has a flickering issue.

Odd.

>>3818134
TBQH, no wrapper is perfect; the one I gave you, for example, was designed by Google specifically for use within Chrome, and nothing else. Do take a look through that Vogons thread though, there might be something of use.

>>3817979
Christ I actually want this to happen

>still having to use mapster

>>3817979
Oh wow, he was actually serious. Maybe this could help the duke community get more mappers, if it works out.

>>3816282
I wish someone would make a decent doomkart for real though.

>>3817979

So, when some people in the Duke community inevitably say "Hey MaxEd we kinda don't like this new feature in DB. It feels like changing thing simply for the sake of changing them, and it doesn't provide any tangible benefit to new users, and means all us old users have to relearn shit when we're in the middle of a project", where is he going to BFTO to then?

>>3818248
Quake Builder

>>3818249
And when that will eventually fail, what will he do then?

>>3818273

Keen Builder

>>3818273
Marathon Builder.

>>3818273
Redneck Builder.

>>3818273
He'll ascend into the heavens and become a grand god of shitposting.

Nevermore guy here. New version out.

CHANGELOG vr02/22/17:

-Previously, Vermin were susceptible to their own gas clouds. This has been fixed.
-Ammo was not spawning properly in Hexen. There was a typo in the CVar name string that the ammo replacer was checking for. This has been fixed. ZDoom, unfortunately, does not report an error to the console when it encounters an undefined CVar.
-The options for controlling junk spawns in both Heretic & Hexen have been reworked. You now have the 'Junk-to-Ammo Appearance Ratio' option, a more straightforward way of handling it. If you set it to 1, junk has a 12.5% chance of spawning. Set it to 4 for a 50% chance of spawning junk. Whenever junk is not chosen, ammo can spawn instead. Whether or not ammo actually spawns is up to the respective option, as before.
-Somebody pointed out that the Shade Gargoyle teleporting instantly made burst weapons useless against it, and made it too much like the Undead Gargoyle. So I added a one tic delay before it turns to smoke. Playtesting it, I found, at least in my opinion it gimps it a bit too much, so I've introduced a compromise: The 'Shade Gargoyle Instant Dissipate' and 'Chance To Dissipate' Monster Behavior options are now available. The former controls whether or not the Shade Gargoyle will disperse into smoke immediately on being hit, or wait a tic, and the latter controls the likelihood they will dissolve when hit.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B93dAHEWrRc-LUNVajZkbzBzNW8

>>3818285
>Shade Gargoyle teleporting instantly made burst weapons useless against it
Yeah fuck I had this same problem when I was making some teleporting monsters. Always gotta give it time to absorb ALL the flak from a shotgun instead of just a bit of it, otherwise anything like a shotgun is worthless.

What are some good Heretic and Hexen wads?

These are my favorite Doom clones.

>>3818046
first run. 50 minutes elapsed, 117 kills, 160 live (on -skill 2), no end in sight. this wad is quite something.

>>3818273
blood builder

>>3818326
oh, be reasonable.

>>3816863
Force implies multiple Slaughterpologists, and Slaughtermaps are the shitposts of Doom maps

>>3818349
doom_txt was a mistake

>>3818349
No you're thinking of Terrywads.
>>3818352
I don't think CSonicGo looks at /vr/ any more.

>>3818354
>I don't think CSonicGo looks at /vr/ any more.
Just checked the twitter site. I stand corrected. Looks like he fell for a fake post. Embarrassing.

>>3818310

Heretic:
History of Fruit
Heretic Treasure Chest

Hexen:
Caldera
Hub of Pain
Dark Portal
Resurrection of Chaos
Scourge of Viscerus
Serpent:Resurrection
Shadows of Chronos
Temple II
Vaults

ORIGWAD.PWD was the best Doom add-on. It was all downhill from there.

Doomguy's Pimp Ventures is a better wad than Ancient Aliens, BTSX, and Valiant combined.

>>3818361
>>3818354
even if csonic doesn't, linguica does.
and linguica is a notorious crossposter.

>tfw too intelligent to play nonbrutal doom

>>3818273
MaxEd will then make MaxEd Builder

Are there any decent port of classic FPS's to android? I just got a new phone.

I know of the QI4A series (though Quake's QI4A doesn't get past the console when starting a new game for some reason... Quake 2 runs great and actually controls okay even.)

Quake 1 is the best id game.

Debate me.

>>3818313
on skill 2 this secret appears to be empty. at least i finally have a red skull.

>>3818451
Here's my rebuttal.

>>3818473
And then Duke stomped them all.

>>3818589
And then the Security Officer killed Duke with dem WSTEM-5s

>>3818589

And then Randy Pitchfork made Duke his bitch.

>>3818473
Imagine being so buttflustered at Quake's outstanding graphics, better level design and legendary multiplayer making your shitty sprite-based game look like hot garbage that you spent 400 hours making this in Microsoft Paint before uploading it on your 16.6kbps connection to show all your buddies in your BBS clan.

>>3818753
Goddammit.

>>3818758
Been there myself, but no, graphics were pretty and stuff, most people played both games for very long time. Even today, we have more Doom players than Quake players

>>3818772
Doom is much easier to make new content for.

>>3818772
I blame the lack of proper modding tools, at least partially.

>>3818778
Would be awesome to have a bigger community creating content for Quake too. Quake don't get the love he deserve these days

>>3818797
Quack is about 10 times harder to make a competent mod for, and before Trenchbroom it was also about that much harder to make a competent map for.

Doom will always be sucking away people from Quake because it's easier to use, runs on literally anything, and allows more creative freedom for less effort.

>>3818778
>lack of proper modding tools
What do you call proper modding tools? Quake has been made for modding from the start. QuakeC was literally designed to allow people to make complete content mods without having to resort to forcefully hacking the game to get it to do what they want and kludging together bits of re-used code. In terms of mapping, Radiant and Worldcraft were both released not long after Quake itself and are still in use today, with GtkRadiant and Hammer.

Working on stuff

>>3818801
As someone who got into Quake before Doom, I'll never understand how Doom is easier to use. The sourceports are a fucking mess and a half regarding compatibility and features, no one can decide what should be the standard, and the file system in general is asinine.

I may be completely biased having come from Source engine games and thus Quake's nearly identical, just less complex engine and file system being second nature to me and being able to pick up on it immediately.

>>3818815
what? most people agree on gzdoom

the only issue is that gzdoom's netcode sucks so zandronum exists

>>3818801
Doom is generally thematically more fun.

Don't get me wrong; I love me some lovecraft, but can you really say no to this face?

Also DOOM in general is more puttylike. You don't quite have the same par of jokewad on quake. Closest I've seen is that damned mod that adds a grappling flail and the flying guitar smash"gibb gibb come on" heads

>>3818804
Well, I suppose instead of 'proper modding tools' I should've said 'retard proof modding tools'.

>>3818819
>can you really say no to this face?
>implying shamblers aren't cuter than anything Doom has to offer

>>3818816
This.

Really the only reason you'd use zandro is because gz's netcode is nonexistant. And vice-versa, the only reason you'd use GZD is so that you can have more advanced wads.

>>3818815
>The sourceports are a fucking mess
But the feature set is more extensive and there's less "make it yourself" kind of shit.
>regarding compatibility and features
Basically nobody mods for anything other than GZDoom. For maps, everyone uses Boom or UDMF. Boom if you want a vanilla-like map, UDMF if you want a super enhanced one for... you got it, GZDoom.
>no one can decide what should be the standard
GZDoom for modding and creativity, anything else for more vanilla stuff (I use PrBoom+ because it's full of performance magic).
Also this >>3818819

>>3818825
>implying those terrifying fucking yetis and the three-legged fetishbeasts are better than this fucking adorable bastard

WORLDS HAPPIEST DEMON

>>3818825
>implying shamblers are cuter than cacodemons

>>3818820
Retards should stop being retards, then. If Romero can do it, so can you! Make a map today! Right now! Go do it! I BELIEVE IN YOU.

>>3818830
>three-legged fetishbeasts

I think both games are pretty cool and fun, along with Marathon, Unreal, and Duke!

>>3818850
>having a reasonable and non-conflicting opinion
GET HIM

>>3818852
You want us to make him sleep with the fishes boss?

>>3818804
>QuakeC
Yeah, when you're trying to attract the typically technically incompetent large dreamers that make mods, DECORATE and ACS are a lot more attractive due to the lower barrier of entry.

>>3818856
We gonna make 'im sleep wit da Rotfishes, boss.

>>3818852
This is why I love Doom /vg/ threads, I could stay my entire fucking day here talking about Doom/Quake/Unreal and the number of shitposters would still be near to zero

>>3818852
>>3818856
>>3818867
You monsters! I won't call you faggots, no matter what you make me do!

>>3818871
/vr/ in general was like that when it first started

the retro boom has really caused an influx of crossboarders, and it's a shame a lot of folks have gotten more snippy.

but ultimately, i'm here because it's still home. i like video games. i have fun with video games. i like talking about video games!

>>3818804
This.

Vanilla Quake is actually far more extensible than Vanilla Doom. The fucking level names in Doom were hardcoded in the executable.

>>3818840
>If Romero can do it, so can you!

What are you implying? Romero is a very talented person who seems to be very creative and inspired when it comes to map making. A lot of people can make Doom and Quake maps, but very few can map as well as he does.

>>3818874
This, and /v/ right now is only about consoles wars. No one cares about what is better, what matters is that DOOM WILL RUN IN ANYTHING !

>>3818881
Exactly. That's something to strive for. it was the first name that came to mind

> Romero is a very talented person who seems to be very creative and inspired when it comes to map making.
People often forget he wasn't just a map-maker, he was a code monkey, too. He made the inhouse level editors for both Doom and Quake, along with all the other projects he'd made (i.e. Dangerous Dan, Commander Keen, etc).

Guy absolutely knows his shit- it's just that when you work with John Romero, everyone else's coding ability is kind of forgotten.

>>3818902
>John Romero
Obviously meant Carmack, fuck.

>>3818902
my problem with romero's maps is that he always does the putting secrets behind nondesript walls meme

>>3818918
in doom or quake? doom sucks because lolwallhumping but in quake pretty much every secret i can think of is triggered by either shooting or pressing a button and even the ones behind walls have something to give it away, like the texture being different or in one level off-kilter at a 45 degree angle so it's super obvious

>>3818940
Cool, what're those?

>>3818942
They appear to be flying anuses.

>>3818942
It's a wad

>tfw will never be a retarded dewm babby
>tfw will always be a true OG
>tfw dewm babby shitters shitting up /vr/ and doom's legacy
it's time to stop posting dewm babbies

>>3818951
obviously
wads of what?

>>3818995
http://parasiteeve.wikia.com/wiki/Wad

Wads of flesh I guess.

>>3819020
good to see Something About Tails is finally getting released

>>3819020
there's something about tails; only done right.

>>3819021

I should not have laughed as hard at this as I did.

Unintended side effect of using F_SKY1 in a titlemap, if you play a megawad you get a cool new sky most of the time.

>>3819053
Tell me what is going on in that image, now.

>>3818815
>half regarding compatibility and features, no one can decide what should be the standard

There are basically two standards in source port required Doom modding
PrBoom+ for classic styled mapping and modding
GZDoom for advanced mapping and modding

Stuff that require anything else is rare.

>>3819058
Well I made this tower of babel type thing as a titlemap to go with my mod, and since it's a GZDoom mod I used UDMF, and since I used UDMF I decided to use some portals. Enjoy this terrible webm.

>>3819064
portals will never not be cool

>>3819070
Which is exactly why I used them. Great visual effect that's pretty easy to set up and hides the fact that I'm bad at mapping and drawing :^/

>>3818619
See 'em starside

>>3818850
Marathon would be better if it wasnt for the shit tier sourceport.

>tfw something you made in DECORATE hangs and there's literally no debug logs or ways to find out what happened
Fug. I'm just gonna assume I forgot to repack the mod after a failed experiment with lost souls.

:^(

Hooray for 3D Floors and the plugin.

>>3819113
use version control next time

>>3819115
>Underdoom will be a thing

I dunno whether to be excited or scared.

>>3819113
If it causes the engine to hang, that means it's an infinite loop.

>>3819117
It already is, but not made for me. There was a WAD kike that in the Vinesauce contest.

>>3819116
I'm using hg locally
Also it must have been, the point that the map hung on is where the first Pain Elemental spawns so I must have just forgotten to repack.
>>3819120
Yeah, I know. I've broken GZDoom before :^|
Thanks though

>>3819104

Yeah I had a great time with Marathon 2 way back then, I wish I could replay it in a non horribly shitty way.

Oh, retro FPS thread? SWEET!

Because you guys were insanely helpful in my own shitty thread ( >>3807125 ), I've decided to give back to /vr/ in my own, dumb way. So, without further ado...

LINKS AHOY!

>Blood: Ultimate Edition
https://mega.nz/#!L55VHDSQ!EfGGFJ2xY4dYGs6llShNprJqCSquEaoKIE8_Fq9zU24

Done by some guy called... Xervils? That's what it says in the documentation, in any case...

Custom DOSBox Daum build, Blood With Plasma, Cryptic Massage, several user episodes (Deathwish, Bloody Pulp Fiction, Blood Chronicles 1/2 and one I slapped together of good single episodes) and about 900 user maps selectable by a hacked DOS emulator frontend.

One thing of note: There's a weird bug with Blood regarding levels that use fog/darkness: A level using them has to load first, so I made demos that did that so if you restored a save levels using the effect look right. However, it can also make shit too dark on maps that *don't* use it. So if you have problems along those lines delete the demo files under the Blood subfolder.

Apparently "Xervils" hacked the EXEs to allow per "game" save slots and demos. The tech notes list the extensions. You can also run a batch file I made to toggle MIDI music and the Blood CD tracks (Compressed as Ogg/Vorbis).

From what I remember Blood also randomly crashes on load, even on real DOS, when trying to load the sound engine. From the looks of what an anon told me, Xervils got around that by having my scripts check if the program exited with that error, and if so, attempts reloads until it works. That's why the DOS/4GW screen flash a few times, which happened to me twice.

>>3819203
Oh wow, that's a pretty nice gift. Would help lots of people try Blood.

>>3819203

>Corridor 7
https://mega.nz/#!PlJDwR7Z!oyPHmdJhLrDPCGcLD8WNb_2MkRWR9zByAnoIqv29Xek

My own Corridor 7 (floppy version) "DosBox build". Other than it having its files all arranged nicely, a .bat, and a properly set .config file, I didn't do much, let alone compared to Blood above. Should only take a double-click and bam.

Still, for the five people that like it (including myself), it's pretty ok. CD version pops around every now and again, but I haven't tried it myself (I have nostalgia for the floppy's OST, what can I say?)

>>3819203
Supposedly someone had a hold of the Blood Source code so hopefully we get a leak or a release of some sort down the line. I'd like a 100% stable version on modern hardware at some point.

>>3819209

>Ultimate Final Doom
https://mega.nz/#!2sAgjThB!qLIQznzcKXo_MEbAtbKPxMtsaez1zxWXa8h_UmoG7Dw

Done by... fuck if I know.

It has Ultimate Doom, "Ultimate Doom 2" (Base Doom 2 + the No Rest For the Living episode that came with Doom 3 BFG edition and the Master Levels set up as a single episode instead of individual maps) and Final Doom 1 & 2, bundled with GZDoom and shit like high resolution textures and 3D models.

Some stuff, like high resolution textures can be toggled from a config script.

>>3819203

Correction, because I be dum.

>You can also run a batch file I made...

That "Xervils" made. Compare his work to my Corridor 7 file. There's no way I'm going to claim shit I didn't do.

>>3819217

Also, for shit and giggles.

Duke Nukem 1
https://mega.nz/#!iopzjYyZ!yBOk1VlK6gMDXz80uS4Ldivb4PImhQFGOQGU-AxMGrY

Because FUCK YOU, GEARBOX!

Not 100% retro, but what's the best site to get Return to Castle Wolfenstein 4 Android from? I don't trust any of the google results.

We a file sharing site now?
SS2 ISO:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m4x7061evqbtv7o/SystemShock2.iso
Redneck Rampage:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/k5ngd4a4s8881yq/RedneckRampage.zip
Powerslave EX:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1svgrs5anc4rlc8/PowerSlaveEX.7z

>>3819223
which one gets straight As?

do you know the answer?

>>3819243
>which one gets straight As?

the revenant

>>3819226
Get RTCW-Touch source code and compile it for yourself (or buy a compiled one from Amazon for 2$) - it has much, much better controls than RTCW4A.

RTCW4A was made by one of 4pda.ru residents, so you can find the latest version on their forums.

>>3817949
>>3817980

Oh, how will I laugh at thee when STRAFE turns out to be procedurally generated turd that gets old after an hour.

Procedural generation in FPS is a mistake. Nothing beats intelligent design.

>>3818940
Looks too high res to me.

>>3819248
I'll look into compiling it I suppose. Thanks.

>>3818807
inspired by NRFTL? be good to have more maps in that style

>>3819203
>>3819209
>>3819217
>>3819224
>>3819238

Good shiiiiiit.

>>3819253
ProcGen is just kind of awful for anything that isn't something like a Roguelike.

>>3819253
I think it could work, if you're okay with doing Arena Shooters, as in Serious Sam and DOOM 4 arena-to-arena shooters, not Quake 3 Arena.
Generate a map made out arenas linked through doors, and if you make enough good and varied arenas, you should be able to get level design that can't overtake hand-made content, but will at least be good enough to keep people coming back if everything else is good. You WILL have to make sure they're GOOD and you have enough you don't keep seeing repeats after a few playthroughs.

>>3819331
Ziggurat attempted it, and failed.

The thing is from what is shown in the trailers - there is not much enemy variety and environments are all samey, which is why I assume its gonna get old very fast.

Procedural generation will only work if you have setpieces that can be co-joined and combined in a coherent manner, while also having variations of the setpieces themselves, as well as variations (or proc gen) for decorations within those set piece variants, and even then you gotta have absolute shit ton of them, as well as special systems in place to prevent repetitivness.

Thing is, developing such system and designing assets for it to work with, then ensuring that it works well enough, would take even more time than building hand-made levels.

Such thing is not going to happen as long as Proc-Gen is seen as a copout to reduce effort needed to create levels, which seems to be the current trend (and the way it seems to be used in Strafe).

>>3819336
Just because it was attempted and failed doesn't mean it can't be done, just needs more passion.
However, I do agree that it would take more time and effort, so we need someone who actually cares about making this the best it can be, not just doing it cause it's easier.

>>3818465
1 hour 50 minutes game time and i have reached the exit. still 4 monsters and 4 secrets remain. argh.

>>3819331
I honestly feel going the "arena lockdown" route with procedural generated maps would only make it even worse.

is there a guide for the doom RPG mod?

>>3819354
>Reached exit room
>oh no, I missed a few things, better go back

I just play without the map totals hud element, and suck it up if I miss things. Finding a secret feels more special when I found it through observation skills. I don't particularly see the fun in specifically looking at every nook and cranny for a secret because the total says 4/5 or whatever.

>>3819354
resorted to map editor
>>3819378
that's fine. i can't do the same, though. i am compelled to consume a map as fully as possible.

>>3819246

>>3819246
I only just got that now.

>>3819246

>>3818758
>great graphics
>the original brown and grey shooter

>>3819450
Hey, Quake had plenty of blue to go about.

It was a good thing that Sgt. Mark was banned from the Doom community but it would have been better if talking about his crappy Brutal Doom abomination had also been banned.

>>3819281
What is NRFTL

>>3818225
The reason Doomkart projects keep failing is because there's only 2 options for getting the required kart/vehicle physics:
Editing a sourceport's code directly and programming a whole 90s style 3D kart physics engine
or
Same thing, but in ACS/decorate and with way more pain involved and also the end result will barely function.
It's the reason every functional decorate vehicle is something like a tank or mech. This has been happening with every attempt at a car in Doom and those have been happening since Decorate got player classes, so people have been disregarding advice to not pursue a car mod because it's not worth it/potentially impossible and then inevitably abandoning their car mod because it's not worth it/potentially impossible for close to a decade now.

>>3819486

No Rest For The Living. It was the bonus episode from the XBLA release of Doom 2.

>>3819117
>Doom fan-TCs = Historically pretty good or at least passable
>Anything UT not made by the original creators = Historically the most god awful shit ever

hmm

>>3819486

Check >>3819217

Why should I use UDMF over hexen or doom map formats? What advantages does it have?

>>3819486
you may also know it as nerve.wad.

here's a screenshot from map06, to compare with the WIP image previously posted.

>>3819492
>>3819497

Thanks guys, I'll play through NRFTL and get some inspiration.

>>3819537
Woah, it's like I totally copied it. I'll have to play that one also. Thank you!

>>3819529
UDMF:
>only playable by ZDoom master race
>purists BTFO
>perturbed posteriors everywhere

>>3819541
shrug. it's not that uncommon a texture theme.

your first image brought nerve.wad to mind particularly because of the combination of doom2 sky1, and sp_hot ruins with broken-off pieces on the ground

on the other hand your second could be from scythe e3.

>>3819496

>Duke3D fan-TCs = So-so shit, but usually highly unreliable, buggy, and almost impossible to run.

Not relevant to the convo, but I wanted to share that anyway. Still remember the good old SHITTY days of dukeworld and totalconvertion.com

That Starship Troopers TC demo at least had cool weapon designs, I guess.

>>3819561
Age of Evil in a nutshell

>>3819064
Are there passthrough portals in ZDoom now?
Last time I tried portals they were only floor/sky and you'd collide with the surfaces without scripting some sort of above/below teleport.

>>3819618
Oh man have you missed the greatest thing ever. You can also use them for 3d floor effects in addition to cool portal nonsense.

>cannot connect to recaptcha
:^(

https://youtu.be/4x-8wHTwwVk

goddamn

>>3819064
Yoooooo! That's pretty cool.

>>3819209
The CD version changes the original ending to add ten more levels, a new "President" skill setting that adds customizable actor randomization/scattering, class-based 12 player deathmatch/TDM on eight dedicated maps, and the requisite CD audio and bad CGI FMV.

>>3819210
At least one of the original developers still has the Blood source code, but is understandably pretty cautious about having lawyers fuck his life up.

>>3819712
>Whoops, I accidentally spilled all this source code over the Internet!

>>3819714
>Whoops, Warner's legal department just fucked me with knives!

>>3819714
Funnily enough, that actually happened to the DMX Audio source code

>>3819714
>Whoops, someone happened to hack the server where I was storing the code
Just leave the password on a piece of paper or something.

>>3819712
It's be even cooler if the moving camera could go through portals but unfortunately it can't. I could probably use some crazy trick for that but it's probably not a good idea.

>>3816514
If you really want to try some Skillsaw wads I recommend to play Vanguard and Lunatic which are the best of his works.

>>3819223
But anon, doom-guy doesn't even know what sex is. He is pure and virgin!

>>3819203
does this one have the eduke mouse fix

>>3819853
Tell that to Mike12

My fellow Doomguys, which are the best wads of 2017 that already have gone final on idgames and have been bugfixed?

>>3819873
Disjunction

>>3819873
The year is pretty young, anon. But if you want something nice and finalized, check out Water Spirit, a trio of Boom maps by one of the JPCP folks: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/v-z/watrsp

>>3819876
>filters
REEEEEEEE

>>3819875

Isn't that still buggy with a couple of spots where you can get stuck?

>>3819873
asking the same but for 2016 and TWENTY FIFTEEN

is there a way to get blood to full screen with no black bars on a 1366x768 res laptop
ive been fucking with the dos and ingame res and ive had no luck

>>3819896
aspect=true?

>>3819258
It should be the same size as the Cacodemon sprites. I think maybe a combination of it being blurry hiding the pixels and unknown distance is making it look high res.

Maybe if I sculpt the lumps onto the mesh instead of using the lowres PSP texture it'll look sharper and thus lower res because you can better see the pixels.

>>3819898
what file is that located in

>>3819913
dosbox.conf

>>3819890
the only reason someone would advertise disjunction as the top wad of 17 is because the guy who made is a regular

several maps are just poorly balanced if not outright tedious

>>3819931
he didn't do that though, he merely suggested it as one possibility.

>>3819904
>>3819258
Glad you said something, I scaled it to match the bitmap's size, not just the head without the horns.

Major caveats: I can't sculpt as good as the texture atm.

>>3819948
it looks like an inverted asshole

>>3819953
how would you know?

>>3819948
>>3819959
It looks like the Caco's back in D44M

>>3819959
I've seen an asshole and possess enough imagination to think how one would look like inverted

>>3819948
Now that you put it as a sprite I know what is wrong - it has too many colors and it makes it look smooth. Bring it to Doom palette and it would look better. Picrelated is just reduced colors.

>playing The Community is Falling series

It's so weird playing something that seems based on decade old forum drama that, as far as I know, might never actually existed.

Was DEEPSea's author really as annoying as made out to be?

>>3820017
>Was DEEPSea's author really as annoying as made out to be?

I've not played any of the CIFs and I suspect their portrayals would be exaggerated, but I can absolutely confirm Deep was one of the most annoying argumentative posters Doomworld has ever seen. Way worse than Graf Zahl ever is.

>>3820027
Fucking hell, what is it about Doom that attracts hyper-autists? I mean they're really useful for making cool software but they're completely insufferable.

>>3818940

Flying hemoroids?

>>3820027
>>3820030
"If you press the almighty F7 key you can make your map not suck!"

What exactly did the key do?

>>3820030
turns out when you have a bunch of nerds who spend most of their time on the computer dealing with old video games and programming and ai and other such things
they tend not to get along with other people very well

>>3820053
It's a defense mechanism.

>>3819981
The original screenshot was in the Doom palette, even taken in ZDoom. The new one wasn't though, it was just gradient mapped to show the size with similar color.

I'm just real good at distributing the colors I guess, except that brown streak at the bottom I could have fixed easily. They key is to map your gradients by the color's luminosity, not its brightness. Mapping by brightness tends to end up with poor transitions and really dark colors.

>>3819246
>mfw I realize

>>3820042
make mustard gas

Probably a dumb question, but how do you load multiple mods in z&?

>>3820125
Drag them onto the exe. If they need to be in a specific order open up cmd and drag zandronum on there and then the mods in the order they need to be in and hit enter.

>>3820125
Get ZDL for convenience sake

>>3816220
Should I update to GZDoom 2.3.2?

I'm currently using 2.2.0 and heard bad things that some mods don't work with the newer version.

>>3818054
Kek, the next 4 years are gonna be funny as Hell if just the last few months are anything to go by.

>>3820125
Just write the mods you want to load in the zandronum.ini

>>3819496
so it will be completely forgettable and mediocre?

Guys I really need your help here.
I know there is a Heretic mod that exists that reskins all the weapons so they don't sound, look, and feel like shit, but keeps the stats the same. But I moved to a couple new PC's and must have deleted some stuff on my old one, and now I can't find it and don't remember it's name. Does anybody know what mod I'm talking about?

>>3820125
If you plan on playing them over and over you might as well write a quick .bat so you can quickly launch it from a shortcut.

In Notepad "c:\path to zandronum.exe" "path to mod.wad" "path to mod.wad" etc and save it with .bat instead of .txt on the end.

>>3820142
if you're worried just put 232 in a different directory so your 220 install is not touched.

>>3820138
>>3820140
>>3820175
>>3820189
thanks, but i still get this error when trying to load the legendary add on for complex doom

Script error, "lca-v1.5.8.pk3:actors/weapons/assaultshotgun.txt" line 11:
Replaced type 'Assault Shotgun' not found in Assault Shotgun

>>3820192
Load order matters, so you're probably loading the addon before the main mod.

>>3820194
I'm loading in proper order,

I open CMD,
Zandronum > Doom.wad > Complex > legendary add on


And then I get that error. If I load the add on before complex, then it just loads into complex without the add on.

>>>/v/368491018

>>3820204
k

>>3820201
Are you using the latest Zandronum?

>>3820192
You updated too much

>>3820207
2.1.2

>>3820209
?

Anyone here remember Take No Prisoners (T.N.P.)?

>>3820212
use an older version

>not playing Brutal Doom

Is Guncaster good? The furry/scale shit puts me off and the demo video is terrible with the guy just standing still and shooting

>>3820307
Guncaster is...a Pillowblaster mod, really, just fantasy-flavored.

If you like having absolutely no challenge and big guns with lots of explosive power that can kill everything, it's fun.

>>3820307
"look at how strong my OC is" wank