/vr/ - Retro Games

Fresh oc

>>3794863
Are those decent prices? It all seems a bit pricey to me without know any of the models and shit.

I'm thinking about buying a VGA to BNC adapter for my HANZO VGA box for those DC games that can do 240p or can't use VGA. Will the picture quality be terrible or is there another method for going about this besides buy a SCART Cable for the dreamcast

>>3794863
Is that Dave Chappelle?

>>3794863
>these prices

Shadowmask. Better than aperature grille? You tell me.

I hyped up new pics for weeks a while back, when I was excited to try out the camera on my new phone. I'm an idiot and never actually delivered anything. Will take more pics tomorrow after I clean the cum off the front.

>>3794963
>Shadowmask. Better
yes.
but that's a slot mask.

>>3794910
The Hanzo has a switch to go back and forth between the Dreamcast's RGB mode(15khz) and VGA mode(31khz).

Assuming you have a PVM or some other CRT that takes RGB over BNC, a simple VGA to BNC cable should be all you need. Not sure how the Hanzo handles sync, and as to whether it'll be throwing CSync over the Horizontal line or if it'll actually separate it and require that you recombine the two.

>>3795090
That doesn't make it not a shadowmask, just a variant.

>>3794863
>>3794902
>>3794948
Honestly, if you are into retro games these prices are not terrible. Especially if you can pay a relatively small delivery fee because some of those TVs are heavy and awkward.

$92.95 silver TV that is on the floor is a Trinitron 36fs120. I'd pay almost $200 for that tv in good shape delivered to my house.

$75.95 silver the 2nd TV on the middle row is Trinitron 27fs120. It is a bit over priced. I'd pay $50-60 for the TV itself. $75 delivered.

Both are TVs w/ component input. Pretty good quality consumer sets. Pretty easily findable on craigslist for free or cheap.

The 27 incher I bought on craigslist for $25 bucks about 6 years ago.

The 36 incher I got on craigslist for free, but paid $100 to have movers pick it up and help me move it into my basement.

The problem is THEY ARE HEAVY. I own both of them. I am 6'2, 195ish, former college shotputter. The 27incher I handle on my own- its doable but not fun.

The 36 incher requires 2 people minimum. I don't care how strong you are you NEED two people. It is oddly shaped has no handles on it and weighs 225lbs.

I would LOVE to open a consumer TV CRT shop like this.

>>3794941
Yes that IS Dave Chappelle, but he is with Chris Tucker, co-star of the Rush Hour movies.

>>3795391
the point of consumer CRTs is getting them dirt cheap.
Besides, that pic might be decades old.

>>3795414
If you are SUPER POOR yes thats A point

The point of consumer CRTs is getting them easily and in large sizes. There are only a handful of pro CRTs that are 24inches or bigger, and they are either impossible to find are retarded expensive.

Big CRTs are a hassle, if you want to avoid the hassle then you pay for it or deal with it.

>>3795391
I can tell you now I wouldn't pay more than $20 for any used CRT. Getting the heavy bastards home isn't even worth the time and effort most of the time.

>>3795424
>The point of consumer CRTs is getting them easily and in large sizes.
?
not everybody seeks behemoths. Before I found monitors, I went through 2 29"s and they were a tad too big. Then I found a 25" that was the perfect trade-off.
Then I went XC37C but I completely rearranged my room.

>>3795379
Yeah but I usually play my 480i games on my LCD but since I have a 8042Q and more interested in seeing the capabilities of some games in 240p now. So thank you for the response, friend.

>>3795432
To each their own.

I'm a bit of a size whore now that I have a little bit of a man cave. I try to replicate "arcade feels" so the 36incher is for my lightgun/arcade racer set up.

I've got a 14inch PVM for some cozy single player retro, and a 60 inch plasma+framemeister for general gaming or gaming with friends.
>>3795435

>>3795435
Sorry I forgot to respond to you. I just dont get the appeal of "midsize" CRTs unless you are just trying to have 1 single all around screen. Once you get into the hobby you always have more than one so i find midsize useless.

>YFW you have a 25inch PVM collecting dust because you have no real use for it, but know its value.

I've got a local PVM collector guy, when I have the free time I'd love to package my 2530 & 14M2U for a 14L5.

I just left my 20M4U at my childhood home over the holidays. Next time I go back I'll hook it up so I have scanline action there.

If I had a vacation/beach house. I'd probably leave the 2530 there

Hey ya'll. I thought I'd post this in case anyone else had this problem.

So i wanted to test the lag on my 50inch LED for shits and gigs. I was planning on using the 240p test suite on my wii. The problem I kept encountering was that everytime I would boot up the suite my screen would go black and nothing would happen.

It struck me that in all likelihood my LED could not do 240p, I felt at a loss. Then I remembered that the test suite had an option for 480i. I plugged the wii back into my CRT switched the test suite to 480i, unplugged my component cables and plugged in my wii2hdmi. Voila! 240p test suite on my non 240p capable LED.

Tested the lag and was pleasantly surprised. Tried the lag test a few times and got 1 3frame lag but the majority was around 2-2.8 frames of lag. Here's a pic of my lowest.

>inb4 you tried it so many times that you got adjusted to the lag and scored lower results.
Immediately after this I did the test with my CRT and got a .6 average frames of lag.

>>3795492
That test is worthless due to acclimatising yourself to any lag present.

Do the true lag test with an LCD and CRT daisy-chained together.

>>3794854
Got this for free on CL today. Came with the remote and manual even. Did I do good with this one? I just wanted one for light gun games mostly, but now that I have one, if it's decent I'll just move my /vr/ systems onto it instead.

>>3795539
I bought this TV in 2005 or 2006 after our 11 yr old hand-me-down ProScan stopped working one day. This TV had pretty good picture, decent sound, it's frikken huge but it's a 32" CRT so what do you expect. Ever since the first day we brought it home, it would make the loudest **bzzzoowwwn** sound when you turned it on and make all of the lights in the house dim for a sec. Other than that, it was perfect. Until... It started having the 9 blink problem within the past week or so. Periodically, it will just not turn on and the standby light blinks 9 times... and bummer for you, no TV. Now I learn via online searches that I have to replace the G Board for $60 to $100 (and that's if I do it myself) if I want my tv to work again.

>>3795542
The one I got was essentially unused, so maybe mine will have a 10 year life like that if I'm lucky. The people who gave it to me bought it new for some elderly person that lived with them who passed away shortly after that, so it just sat in the box it came in ever since.

I have a small Chinese CRT that seems to have been brought over by a Taiwanese couple.

All the buttons have Chinese characters next to them describing what they do.
I have figured out the function of each except for one.
When I press it the only thing that happens is the green number displaying the current channel toggles yellow.
What is the purpose of this feature?

>>3795737
It changes the green text to yellow.

>>3795539
It won't work with lightguns.

>>3795765
Yes it will

>>3794963
shadowmask, especially high end stuff like ikegami htm's and TMs > just about anything sony ever made. The picture is more rounded, organic, and the picture has a blending quality to it due to the arrangements of the dots. Aperture grilles are cleaner, sharper, more clinical even - there's a crucial element here for details sake, but the actual image being so clean and clear may not be what you're looking for. For this reason they are great RGB monitors for identifying and arranging details, but RGB on a shadowmask is radiant.

Which CRT has the best scanlines?

>>3795782
what kind of image do you want? Softer, more nostalgic? Sharp as hell? Just fucking THICC blank lines?

Which shadowmask has better picture? Dotmask or slotmask?

>>3795763
I thought it changed the menu color so adjusting contrast, hue, etc is easier; if the background is green or yellow you can change it.

But it only changes the colour of the channel number and when pressed it exits the adjustment menu and just shows the channel number.

>>3795391
>200 for a FS120
hahaha what the fuck

I paid $20 for my KV32-FV310

nigga are you high

>>3795765
You're clearly retarded, as I just played a light gun game on it.

>>3795861
Nigga are you dumb. $200 DELIVERED.

That 32 incher is 150lbs. The 36 incher adds 75lbs for a total of 225. The price is for the convenience for not having to deal with carrying/manage it.

>>3795539
Yes you did pretty well. It is a solid TV and you should be happy with it. Its good for light guns. I've got the 36 inch version of this and it works fine with my Guncon & Silent Scope light rifle.

>>3795838
dot mask = sharp
aperture grille = bright
slot mask = absolute shit

What is the most recent console to output RF?

My friend says old games look like shit. I'm going to prove him wrong by hooking up a Genesis with Retrovision HD cables and a 7th or 8th gen console with RF to a calibrated Trinitron 36".
The modern system will have its audio connected to a pair of shit computer speakers with holes stabbed in their cones hidden behind the expensive hip height audiophile speakers used for the Genesis.
I will spill some soda on the modern controller to make the D-pad and buttons sticky.

Hmm, what is the most recent console to output composite (I can just use a VCR to modulate it to RF)?

>>3795391
Nigga I'm a bit bigger than you and I moved a HDCRT 32 inch TV by myself. Yeah it's not fun and I scuffed it up a bit of it while moving it but it's doable. But my TV has handles on it cause it was a high end sony tv at the time and they places handles at the top and bottom. Thing had to weigh about 300lbs at least. I felt it all in my upper body the next day.

>>3795895
What makes slot mask CRTs bad?
How come most high end Japanese TVs that weren't Sony used them? My JVC i'art and Toshiba both have slot mask.
They are both visually flat though. Did high end Japanese curved CRT TVs of the 90s use dot mask instead of slot mask?

>>3795943
It's a meme

Tall phosphors =/= slot mask
True slot mask were in late pc monitors only

>>3795943
Slot mask seems like a cheap compromise. A little brighter than dot masks but showing the same "screen door" effect as aperture grilles. And still less sharp than both.

My guess is that it was designed around interlaced video, the jagged phosphor layout might help blend the alternating scan lines together. Case in point: you won't find any progressive-scan (vga) monitors with slot masks. They simply don't exist.

>>3795940

You have to be dumb. Thats exactly my point. The 32 inch TV is lighter than the 36 inch so it is doable.

>Thing had to weigh at least 300lbs

HAHAHA no.

It is 150lbs. Go on and google it. 150 is managable. Like you said its not fun but you can do it and you are a big guy. Not everyone is that big, or has the time to go through that much annoying effort.

If you had that much trouble with your 32 incher, try moving that 32 incher with a 24 incher on top of it...that is what it would take to move the 36 inch.

>>3795924
You can use an rf modulator on a ps3.

Not sure about ps4. Does it have a standard Sony multi-av?

>>3795895
wtf is a dot mask? I've never heard that used anywhere unless you mean traditional shadow mask, in which case slot mask is better for most things, idk about super low res stuff like 240p.

>>3796160
that pic is true only for pc monitors.
tvs use tall offset phosphors, but have a shadow maks.

>>3796170
Oh well then disregard what I said. I only do PC monitor shit so I was confused why anyone would shit on slot masks.

>>3794854
Got this old giant Toshiba and yesterday it started turning itself off and on and when it comes right back on the volume is at 100%.

I turned it off for awhile and today so far so good I haven't had it do it but it got me kinda worried. I have a picture of the back so you guys can see the make and model.

Sorry just checked and the pictures are on my other phone, if I can I'll post them asap.

>>3795785
All 3. Which CRT is the best for each look.

>>3796212
Softer - dot mask
Sharper - aperture grille
THICC - high TVL aperture grille

>>3796235
What would be a good aperture grille CRT for N64 and PS1? 2D games look great with thick scanlines, but it looks jarring with 3D games.

>>3794863
>these will be normal prices in a decade

Who needs consoles anyway

>>3796239
I like PlayStation on my PVM-2950 and KX-27PS1 Profeel.

They're both around 500 lines so you get nice defined scanlines but not crazy enough to give you a headache like with a BVM or similar. Works nicely for early 3D stuff. I hook them up with RGB but I guess that's not an option with immodest N64. The PVM also has S-Video but the Profeel is composhite or RGB only.

If you can't get those models then any mid-high end 80s or 90s Trinitron would make a decent substitute.

>>3796264
>immodest

*unmodded

>>3796264
My BVM-14G5U never gave-me a headache, my n64 is RGB modded and the benefit is really worth the price, turok 2 with expansion pak looks amazing in it.

>>3796289
A high TVL 14-incher isn't so bad really, it's when you get up to 20+ that things get a little ridiculous. Can't even begin to imagine what one of those BVM-32s looks like...

~500 lines on a 25-30" set fed a crisp RGB input gives this really nice 'grid' structure to the image which is hard to describe, you just have to see it.

Believe me I've run the gamut of displays and signals and this has to be my personal sweet spot.

>>3796241
>decade
I think you mean next year

I've been using an HDCRT for modern games for years and am now finally upgraging to a proper adult TV.

Before I toss the HDCRT out, does it serve any /vr/ or /v2k/ pupose that I should keep it around for? I have a number of traditional SD consumer CRTs for most stuff.

>>3796382
Maybe if it does lagless 480p

>>3796417

What would I use it for?

>>3796427
if it's larger than a PC CRT, 6th gen stuff. Like melee.

>>3796427
I dunno man, I never throw anything away. I have 5 TVs now and they just sit on the shelf, well besides the 2 I use to game on.

>>3796436
chain them up so you can play on them all and heat your house all at once

>>3796434
Yeah it's much larger
>>3796436
This is me too, I currently have 7 CRTs in my house including this one; no counting ones that aren't hooked up in the basement. I'm trying to avoid becoming a hoarder of 200lbs boxes of glass and metal, but I don't want to throw out a display that might be optimal for something,

>>3796382
>HD
>widescreen
>short tube
I don't think you can get worse than that.

>>3796441
I have this problem too

I still have every computer I've ever owned since 1988, it's getting kinda sad

>>3796382
>I've been using an HDCRT for modern games for years and am now finally upgraging to a proper adult TV.
Define 'proper adult TV'.

>Before I toss the HDCRT out, does it serve any /vr/ or /v2k/ pupose that I should keep it around for? I have a number of traditional SD consumer CRTs for most stuff.
HD CRTs aren't for /vr/ games. They're more geared toward /v2k/ games.

>>3796427
>What would I use it for?
6th Gen stuff (DreamCast, GameCube, PS2, XBox) and the Wii.

PS3 and the 360 also look really awesome on it. Bluray and DVD movies look fantastic, and is great for watching HD TV Channels as they broadcast at 1080i.

>>3796448
>Define 'proper adult TV'.

48" 4K 120Hz with some pretty bad ghosting and tolerable display lag but was stupid cheap.

Would the 6th gen stuff display in that aspect ratio? I know OutRun2 can, at least.

So I won an auction for like 15 to 20 random 14/13 and 8 inch PVMs, and then someone from the company that hired the auctioneer emailed and asked if I wanted the rest of the monitors he had I'm storage. Some or all have issues, but I'm capable of repairing these things (and I have spare parts), so that's no big deal. Now shipping is going to be a huge pita, probably a couple hundred, but the original cost of all the monitors combined is about $35.

I'm going to fill my storage unit and then take a picture. If anyone in the North Florida area wants a PVM for a fair price, hit me up. Anything 5/8" with 250 or less TVL will be below $50. The 13/14" monitors I'll price later.

>>3796471

That sounds fucking rad, can't wait for the pictures.

>>3796471
you're on a rampage dude

>>3796474
This is one of two "before" pictures. After picture will be probably mid March.

>>3796483
Second before picture. Hopefully this will still be the active thread in a few weeks.

>>3796484
Can I have a multiformat? Be a good anon and gibe me for free pweez

>>3796471
How do I contact you, Jacksonville-kun?

There's a tv on craigslist for $10, I think it's a Sony trinitron KV-20FS100. Currently I've been gaming on an HD tv I bought in the fall with composite. Should I get the craigslist tv?

>>3796552
Go for it, xxFS100/120 are great entry level Trinis.

Every so often while on crt hunts I'll find a goliath rear projection display. Spotted this massive Mitsubishi in a Goodwill in Canton, GA today.

Didn't know Sony was still making the grey-screened Trinis as late as 1990

90s XBR

>>3796571
The mono speaker setup and general look of that TV is really nice. I like it.

Nice backpack too, I guess.

>>3796564
Wish my local Goodwills has similar sort of random audio equipment laying around.

>>3796621
the electronics section here is actually pretty sparse compared to mcdonough, but there were some goodies. that old tape deck in the back was really cool, and that 27FS120 was in pretty good shape. at the bottom right of the first pic you can just barely see the case of an old eMac priced at $60. Got the black label MGS1 and greatest hits RE:DC for $5 apiece and a really well-shielded s-video cable

I bought this p220f (black) new in the plastic for $30

It was wonderful while it worked, but sadly it broke after around 4 months of enjoying it

How do I diagnose the problem?

Every time I turned it on (while it worked) it would make a very slight crackling noise but I had no problems.

Then one day when I turned it on, the picture was very faded and then I was left with a black screen.


Thank you for your time, I really appreciate it

>>3796821

I also found a service manual here

http://www.go-gddq.com/upload/2011-07/11071215305439.pdf

>>3796524
Email jacksonville at clockworkgiantpandas dot com.

>>3796821
Step 1: open it up.

Step 2: look for obvious signs of component failure.

Step 3: replace whatever fried.

Someone is giving away this in my city, should I wait for a trinitron instead? It's a good size though. I don't have room for a big crt unfortunately

Is it me, or are these scanlines vertical?

>>3797190

>>3797190

I fucking love how sony RGB monitors look like something straight out of Aliens

>>3796208
Possibly some malfunction around the microcontroller.
The bigass Sony from 1990 that I have does something similar when the EEPROM is worn out, the volume instantly increases to 100% after some time during operation.

You may have some dry solder joint around the microcontroller and protection circuits, or some dirt or dust that causes a leakage current.

>>3797190
sick amazon speakers

>>3797197
They look horizontal on my screen :^)

>>3797223
What's wrong with them?

>>3797229
Clever

The orientation is to show what I'm talking about. How does 480i work if the day is drawn from top to bottom?

>>3797190
>>3797197
those vertical lines are the wires of the aperture grille. The scanlines you're thinking of don't show well on small monitors.

>>3797314
Thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense.

>>3797318
De nada holmes. The video signal you use affects it too, scanlines will be more visible over RGB than using composite for example.

>>3797337
I'm using component at the moment.

>>3797348
Component is awesome, and in the pictures you posted your monitor looks very very sharp, good deal

Two free 14L5 PVMs from work today. I'm worried they'll have some issues or burn-in after being on 24/7 for a couple years but oh well. At the very least I'll be able to swap tubes since the boards have been kept good by constant use.

>>3796471

OP-kun here from last time, I wouldn't be opposed to adding another 14 or even an 8 in my collection. I'm interested for sure

>>3797834
The 14/13" inchers I'll probably sell for anywhere between $75 and $125, depending on features and wear/tear. Obviously shipping will be a pain in the rear for the big guys. Shipping 5 inch and 8 inch monitors is easy-peasy. 5041Q shipping is normally somewhere between $10 and $20. 8" monitor shipping is a little bit more, probably $20 to $30.

>>3797832
How are you getting so many PVMs and BVMs

>>3798048
I work in broadcast engineering.

What is this 32 inch trinitron that has a vga out?

>>3798431
*dvi

Opinion on Panasonic pro monitors?
There is BT-D2020PY nearby for adequate price, should I?

>>3798647
lol
its shit

>>3798652
Why is it shit though? Is it because it's not a Sony PVM/BVM?

>>3798647
It's not bad, don't listen to that anon.

>>3795737
It could be an 'auto-fine-tune' function, my old RF only turn-knob set has one. It just guesses at the fine-tuning for a given channel, with usually decent results. You might not notice since there's no over the air channels anymore and thus little interference via RF.

>>3796080
PS4 is HDMI only iirc. I just sold mine but I don't remember it having the SONY multi-out.

totally unrelated to CRTs but i dont want to make my own thread:
I should be able to use a Japanese N64 power supply with a US console without any issues right? My understanding is that the plastic cartridge tray is the only regional difference.

All righty, got that altera blaster. Changes are definitively there.
Comparisons as soon as i dig the other famicom from behind my crt wall.

I got this off somebody right when they were putting it on the curb about 6 years ago, and to my memory the picture was set just fine on it. The problem is that it's been sitting in storage for the past couple years because I didn't have space for it, it's only recently that I dug it out again but it was cracked along the side where the black electrical tape is covering. I have no idea what happened to it, maybe another family member dumped something heavy on top of it or it got attacked by giant rats, it was in a public storage unit. Now the picture is all fucked up on that side so it's all wavy and shit, and the AV port on the bezel's right side has a broken audio port.
What do you guys think, any way for me to fix this or is it time to do her in like Lassie? I ain't got no experience with this type of work though, just to tell you guys.

>>3799018
Japan's power is delivered at 100v instead of 120v but it will probably work.

>>3798431
>out

>modern consoles no longer have analog video output
>can no longer use my FW900 with everything

Does anybody have any experience with DVI to VGA? It's hard to tell what will lag or scale the video.

>>3799281
I mean HDMI to VGA.

>>3799281
get one that's usb powered, as PS4 doesn't deliver enough juice. Or after an AV receiver.

>>3797072
Just take it faggot, even if you aren't using it you can still resell it on ebay later. Hell just keep it around in case you need a backup tv.

>>3797072
>tjock TV

SWEDEN YES, also Trinitrons were not that popular here in Sweden until the WEGA era and plenty of these have the 100hz meme

keep that in mind

>>3799385
What exactly is wrong with 100Hz? My Trinitron is SD but 100Hz and it looks fine if a bit soft to me.

>>3799405

No light gun support and certain strange graphical errors

https://youtu.be/Df055e9Ep9w?t=11m19s

>>3799405
>My Trinitron is SD but 100Hz
RIP. Time to find a new CRT

>>3799408
That's strange- my light guns work perfectly. All I've noticed is that 2D games are quite soft even with RGB. 3D games look stellar as do films and TV.

I take it there isn't any added input lag or anything? What matters most to me is the motion and input lag. I can complete Lost Levels no problem on it so I haven't detected any lag.

>>3799408
is Rob our hero?

>>3799557
Is he dare I say it our guy?

>>3799184
How does playing around inside something that could really hurt you if you're not careful sound?

I mean it's not super scary in there once you know what you're looking at.

>>3799560
>>3799557
Rob is my hero. I wanna be that guy.

>>3799557
he is pretty based for a stryalian.

I've got GTX 970 as my graphics card and while I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon, it seems like the 900 series and the equivalent radeon series (R9 200 series I think) are the last graphics cards to have DVI-I ports, which support analog output and allow you to use VGA monitors with them with simple, no frills passive converters. Newer cards only have DVI-D, HDMI, and displayport, all of which require digital to analog converters that have resolution limitations - I doubt I'll be able to use my FW900 at 2304x1440p 80hz with a converter that is advertised as doing 1080p 60hz. Are there any higher end converters out there for DVI-D or displayport to VGA that have much higher resolutions and refresh rates supported?

Anyone on here selling any BVMs?

>>3799649
i'm also interested. Do have a 290X with DVI-D and a Lacie Electron22Blue. I tried it with a HDMI-VGA-converter ... just forget about it. i'd really appreciate if there was a solution for this. Until then i'll just use my older pc with two 6950s in crossfire kek

Hey guys, I have a 32" Sony Trinitron and I have a lot of my /vr/ hardware hooked up to it, but I want to be able to emulate the systems I don't have on that TV as well. Is there a recommended card to do this? The TV has RCA and S-Video. It also has what I believe to be composite? (red blue green ports on the back that I'm not terribly familiar with). At any rate, yeah. That's the goal here. What's my best bet on accomplishing it?

>>3799708
Red Blue Green ports are Component video on most US sets. You can get RGB quality from PS1/2, Wii, XBOX, GCN (with an expensive cable) with those ports. You can likely get a VGA to Component adapter if you're trying to emulate with a PC; otherwise I would recommend a hacked Wii if it handles the systems you don't happen to have on hand.

>>3799426
>>3799408

>CRT not working with Light Guns

This is why I got so picky with Trinitron sets when I was looking to buy a 36incher. I specifically wanted to use it for lightguns.

I had seen that some with the dark grey bezel raised up from the light silver bezel were not light gun compatible.

Sure my TV is probably not the highest tier of consumer sets but...
>36 inches
>Component
>Time Crisis (with recoil gun & pedal)

It is SO satisfying.

>>3799649
>R9 200 series I think
r9 380/380x both still have DVI-I, but that's the last of it.

>>3799721
If you're happy, that's what matters.

>>3799721
>>Time Crisis (with recoil gun & pedal)
What gun and pedal do you use? I'm interested in doing this myself.

>>3799890
The best overall gun is the Super Jolt Gun, but it is limited to Guncon 1 games & needs an external adapter to get the recoil.

Logic 3 p99 light blaster has a worse pedal, but it is Guncon 1 & 2 compatible and recoil does not require an external adapter.

Both are sorta pricey. Super Jolt Gun is getting rare, and Logic 3 p99 is primarily available in the UK so you usually have to get it from overseas.

>>3799665
Are you in the UK? I have a 20G1 I'm maybe looking to offload.

quick question guys.
Is there any way to properly calibrate trinitron crt with psone console? like a type of game which has grid screen calibration thingy?
think I fucked up too many settings in service mode.

>>3799993
As far as I know there's no 240p test suite, so your best bet might be games with a lot of text boxes, especially sprite based games with simple textures (GTA1 with its roads, Final Fantasy Origins)

>>3799346
Which one do you use?

>>3799993
There are monitor calibration DVDs if you have a PS2, but those are intended for home theatre setup (color mostly, they assume convergence and the rest are right already).

No (decent) CRTs on my craigslist so I have to settle for the next best thing.

Some older, smaller plasma TVs are deceptive.

They are widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio but they are not 1024X720, they are actually 852X480.

If I set one to 4:3 aspect ration will it be good for classic games?
I mean 480 vertical is the same as CRT TVs so there shouldn't be much scaling to do.

I also see some newer plasmas that claim to be 720p/1080i.
How can they be interlaced if they are not CRTs?
Does this mean they cannot handle 1080 progressive (I want to use as computer monitor)?

>>3800301
If you want to scale from 240p then 480p is better than scaling to 720p

yes you could set it to 4:3

>>3800301
Where are you that there are no decent CRTs. Whenever I hear that I rarely ever believe it. Almost every CL has CRTs either being given away or sold cheap.

What are your search terms/what categories are you checking? Also where are you if you dont mind giving that out.

>>3800301
Don't search for "CRT". Most people that have them don't even know that's what they're called. Try "sony TV" or "trinitron"

I find it difficult to take pics with my phone. And colours always seem dim and washed out compared to how it looks in person.

>>3800557
Lower the ISO and match shutter speed to refresh rate.

I'm new to video monitors so I don't know shit about the minute differences between models and that pastebin in the OP only gave me a general idea.
I saw these two panasonic monitors on ebay that have about $50 in price difference but I'm not sure which one is better for my needs. the cheaper one is model BT-H1350Y and the more expensive one is BT-H1390YN, and even though both support S-Video and Component RGB like I'm looking for I don't know if the 1350Y is an alright pick considering that I can't find any images of it playing games online. The seller is shipping it in a flight case though so at least I know it's gonna be safe in transit.
The thing is that I've seen the more expensive one in action, my post's image is from somebody using it for various games and systems, so I know that one is a great option and that it displays games really nicely. I'm just not sure whether it's worth the extra cost for me though.
I don't want to drop the cash on either of these only to then regret not choosing the other monitor instead. Is there anywhere good I could read up on their differences or does anybody here have good experiences with these models?

>>3800362
That's a bit specific. You could also try "old school TV". People round my way like to call them "big back" TVs.

Also worth searching for "heavy" and "needs two strong men to lift" or something like that if you're after anything other than a portable.

How could they release something so disgusting (on the right)

>>3800754
right one looks softer, but in terms of gameplay wouldn't the ps2 one play a lot better

>>3800763
>saturn pad
>additional chars
>not 1000% better

>>3800763
Saturn is capable of handling any Capcom arcade games.
It was a 600$ console (adjusted for inflation)

>>3800778
Definitely not true. It needs the ram cart for a lot of games to enable better animations and even then they're not nearly as good as the arcade version. Talking about mvc and xvsf. Pretty sure there's others.

>>3800858
Well duh, the RAM cart always came with the game

>>3800858
Marvel vs. Capcom was never on Saturn

>>3795875

>He doesn't respond

/vr/ is full of shit like this.

Dumbass posts X
You post Y, demonstrating how X is bullshit
Dumbass doesn't respond

But yeah, of course light guns will work on your tv. No reason why it wouldn't.

>>3796382

>Proper adult tv

Just get what you like, m8

>>3796440

...
>mfw Idid this in my apartment one winter and ironically it was cheaper than paying for a heater
>mfw all my cats died in a couple months from cancer

>>3796953

I live near Jacksonville. Where are you located?

>>3801346
hardy har

>>3799665
Nope, just a bunch of PVMs. Sorry.

>>3801350
Mandarin.

>>3800557
Your white balance is wrong.

Don't use auto but match it to the colour temperature of your display. If it's a pro model set to 6500k use daylight or shade. If it's a consumer set (usually 9300k I think) set it to cloudy.

That should help.

Put some PVM-9L2s from 2004 on eBay for $50. Not sure if that's asking too much or too little desu, especially for sets without RGB cards.

>>3801779
>t b h gets filtered to "desu"
What the fuck chinkmoot.

>>3801781
Tee bee haich got meme'd to death.
Same with eff ehy emm

>>3801781
You only just noticed that?

I'm genuinely surprised tbqh.

>>3801781
desu it's my favourite filter in a long time. but how are you just noticing this senpai?

a new pvm md 20in for 600

i know its a sink but is it normal for new crts to cost this much?

>>3801779
$0 is probably more of a fair price

>>3801794
>>3801802
I don't use the shortened form of "to be honest" very often, so I missed it somehow. Getting old I guess.

HEY IKEGAMI DUDE, here's some pictures of my TM14-17R. I got it from Tampa and the bottom BNC ports had been pushed inside (the retaining bracket inside the monitor is plastic and the metal connectors had been bent but not broken). Bunch of hot glue fixed that. Composite on the monitors shows some seriously weird behaviors, like taking a long time (relatively) to display a full white screen. RGB works like a dream though.

>>3802059

>>3794863
always cool to see a fellow steve harvey otaku

>>3801345

I mean, I liked overscan not cutting off my HUD in modern games.

>>3801340
I was said dumbass. I thought that series had a digital tuner. What exactly would I say in response to that? I was wrong.

>>3802059
>>3802085
ikegami blows the fuck outta sony

>>3802325
When it comes to composite input though, this Ikegami monitor I have seems to have all kinds of weird issues. Maybe it's just old. I need to take a look inside again tomorrow because it make some serious clicking when starting up.

>>3802325
can you take a better picture tho? the exposure is btfo.

>>3802059
Please tell me what happens when you feed just standard NES composite to it.

>>3802663
Haha holy shit, I need to get a NES from the shop and try this. I don't actually have one on-hand.

So what's the deal with this thing?
The output on the card says "s-video", but isn't an s-video connector. Then I have this adapter by the same brand as the card that fits the connector, but also has component jacks.

>Genesis has hideous composite output
>S-video mod involves building a circuit
>RGB cables are $35 CAD

>>3802810
Pretty common at one time. Graphics card supports s-video and component, and has them wired to a mini-din port to save space. That adapter is basically your breakout cable

>>3802859
>RGB cables are $35 CAD
Build your own, you just need a common DIN connector and good shielded cable (can re-use VGA). And some cheap components.

>>3802665
I think it might be due to the NES having apparently somewhat weird sync, but have no idea how to go about "fixing" it, or what to possibly tweak inside.

My Ikegami is so empty inside compared to every Sony I've ever owned. It's kinda nice.

>>3803446
the ones with option boards have more guts on the inside, but the tm line of monitors are much cleaner/more minimal/analog interiors. Also extremely organized pots.

>>3803457
I know you mean the later Ikegami's, but even the SDI module on the 14-17 doesn't add much.

>>3803446
Do you know specifically which 14-17R you have? Like, Ikegami's site is just a bit of a mess in regards to it, being that it has 3 or so different monitors all referencing one page, and not all of them seem to have the same listed TVL. Specifically the RZ seems to suggest 600TVL vs the 500 of the earlier model(s).

>>3803506

>>3803509

>>3803457
Fuck yeah the pots are all so clearly labeled it's great. It's also super obvious where the RGB signals are coming from so the signal path is traceable as fuck.

>>3803509
>annoying neighbor Mario brags about his ugly, Turkish man lawn ornament

friendly reminder that this exists

>>3803619
Wtf am I looking at here, it's just a bunch of ancient runes. Is this one of the alibaba crts that are still sold?

>>3803703
Eizo F980

2048x1536@85hz

>>3803553

Haha it does look like a white fence

>>3803740
Oh yeah, I've heard of that things. It's up there with the FW900 isn't it? I'd love to get one but I've never seen one for sale and I'm sure they go for an obscene amount even today.

>>3803551
Yes, Ikegami gets too little credit for monitor production. They are extremely easy to maintain, the picture is amazing - easily the best shadowmasks ever made, the only problem is they are kinda light on features. 480p ikegami crt's are very expensive and uncommon, especially if you want y/pb/pr 480p+. The more common HTM-2050Rs which do 720p and 1080i do not do 480p out of the box, and the option board which enables it is incredibly rare.

I've looked into some commentary by film studio/camera/recording/production/editing guys, and they almost all preferred Ikegami's equipment, especially the monitors over Sony's BVM/PVM line - which seems to be more popular with television/broadcast studios and image editing types. Sony's are more common overall, but for the highest of the high end - Ikegami seemed to be as or more popular.

also a few htm-2050r rgb shots. cotton 2 on the saturn.

>>3803895
whites/lighter colors are hard to capture with my phone, but they are not as bright as they seem.

>>3803896

Has anybody had any luck alleviating burn-in on a monitor? The Ikegami TM-14 I recently chanced upon is absolutely beautiful but seems to have some slight burn in down the middle.

>>3802663
Not the same guy, but my AV Famicom's composite works just fine on it as pictured. Gonna do some cleaning today and maybe I'll be able to try the NES later.

>>3802059
>>3802085
>>3803446
looks nice.
Interior is even simpler than JVC TM-Hs.

>>3802663
>>3803290
>>3803474
didn't know you got an Ikegami Kya

>>3804015
Captcha ate the picture

Its a TM-14R to be specific

>>3804031
good lord that's nice. something about AV Famicom composite brings me great joy.

>>3804031
I'm a dumbass, its a TM14-17R

Have some Ristar.

>>3803893
Yeah I agree with your entire post. Everyone and their brother in the broadcast biz has stories of Sony gear, but less widespread are Ikegami wizards. I've only ever owned this one. I just spent an hour fucking with the flyback and neckboard focus then correcting the chroma/huehuehue/brightness/contrast presets for composite and RGB colorbars. It's going back into the storage unit now for another few months/years. Not selling it until I can find another with more features.

I lucked into getting a 20L5 for free but all I have are composite cables. upgrading all my consoles to rgb is going to be so expensive.

crt thread
>a bunch of commercial displays nobody even knew about

it was more like

>>3804015
>alleviating burn-in
Good luck. You're better off replacing the tube if the electronics are good. Get the tube from a set with fried boards and make the world a better place.

>>3804061
Which consoles? Most are not that expensive.

>>3802663
but you do have 75 ohm terminators in the outputs, do you?

>>3804065
I just meant the whole setup. mostly interested in having nes, snes, genesis, and n64 plugged in. I know the snes and genesis just need a cable but I'm also going to want to get a new switcher and scart switchers seem pretty pricey.

>>3804074
5 port mecanical switches can be found for decently cheap.

>>3804071
I had terms on my outs and still had weird issues when switching to full 100ire white screens on composite. Problem corrected itself after warming up and also me tweaking the screen pot on the flyback.

>>3804074
the gwscart switch is nice and yeah expensive but why not just use an Extron crosspoint or something? I have some extra RGB BNC matrix switchers coming my way next month.

>>3804159
>I have some extra RGB BNC matrix switchers coming my way next month

Nice. Does that mean we'll get a few more pics of the storage unit where you hoard all this stuff?

>>3804206
God yes. I've also been planning with a friend of mine who went to film school to produce a short documentary about CRTs. If you've seen an Outerlands short, it might be like that if we can get it off the ground. Except with less San Fran hipsters, shitty feminists and more fat nerds talking shit about monitors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaoZ2oDMJ04

>>3804157
nice

>>3804283
Sounds horrendous but good luck anyway!

>>3804320
It's gonna suck, but at least I'll have something to point at when I'm dying from radiation poisoning and say "I made that shit."

>>3804334
It won't suck, we'll watch it and enjoy it.

>>3804334
That's the spirit lad!

Why the radiation though? You think El Trumpo's going to start WW3?

>>3804401
From all the cathode rays bro. I get my face way too close to the screen when working on focus.

>>3804408
It's the rear you need to worry about M8.

The front has like an inch of lead glass stopping you getting a ghetto suntan.

>>3804283
is this the guy that started talking about how problematic every game is on the retronauts reboot or was that someone else

>>3803893
>and the option board which enables it is incredibly rare.
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/5ou7ja/guide_to_enabling_480p_on_the_ikegami_htm_series/

>>3804020
Picked it up a couple weeks ago.

>>3804071
I hadn't even considered that. Need to pick up some actual terminators to deal with that.

Coiling a simple resistor around one of my RCA-BNC adapters did allow it to start up just fine and get through most of Shadowman's stage, so I'm going to say that was the issue.

>>3804591
Yes Frank is a huge SJW faggot and can be safely ignored.

>>3804591
Probably. The Area5 folks are very much a part of the Bay Area gaming justice cult. One whole episode of Outerlands is going to be about Anita, as if she's an important figure. Fucking stupid, though I take solace in the fact that they seem to have flubbed the delivery of anything to their backers for two years.

>>3804671
Matt C is too, and is on the Rebel FM podcast with some Polygon shitheads.

If my TV takes Component but not RGB, what would be my best option for a 240p scan converter?

I just got hold of a DELL Trinitron PC CRT monitor.

It only takes VGA, which I'm unfamiliar with. Is there an adapter or something that will allow me to plug in my SCART cables and use RGB? Thanks!

>>3804729
SCART to Component converter with proper RGB SCART cables. If it's an SD CRT you don't need to scale anything just switch signals.

>>3804736
No

>>3804729
>for a 240p scan converter?
Unless your TV is actually a PC monitor or shit, a scan convertor isn't going to do shit.

Assuming it's just a regular SD CRT, you can just transcode the RGB into Component and be done with it.

>>3804736
VGA is RGB(HV). The issue is the PC monitor will not sync to signals below 31khz(480p), meaning you'd have to scale(or linedouble) most retro stuff to use it on it.

Big exception is the Dreamcast, obviously, since it can do VGA by default.

Emulation on it can look rather nice though.

>>3804736
You can connect a Dreamcast to it with a VGA box but most consoles can't connect to it directly, you'll have to send the video signal to an upscaler device first

>>3804736
also model #

which will look better on a crt: 1080p content at 1080p, or 4k content downcaled to 1440p?

>>3804947
Downsampling is always fun, but there's a limit to your CRT's ability to resolve horizontal resolution.

>>3804606
Which TV are you playing N64 on? I really like the dark reds and blacks. This the JVC?

Hey /crt/

So I got this 1996 Trinitron, and the tuner is not picking up my NES mini on channel 3/4. I can run it through a VCR to Composite and it works... Anyone ever fixed a similar issue? I know the tuner itself is basically irreparable, but maybe it's something else I'm not thinking of?

>>3804062

I found a Spongebob dvd player the other day and really wanted to get it even though it was a complete piece.

Very cool

>>3805165
I don't own anything JVC as of yet.

Ikegami TM-14-17R

>>3804408
Manga name?

What's it about?
Anything of interest to /vr/?

>>3804606
>>and the option board which enables it is incredibly rare.
the jewish samurai got me, I contacted ikegami directly, they reached out to their Japanese HQ and warehouses to see if they had any DCH-501's in stock even - well, thank you for saving me the trouble. Now I can play Panzer Dragoon Orta as it was intended. On a $32,000 film editing display.

>>3805258
Ah, my bad. I have a PVM and I'm slightly leaning more towards the colors of an Ikagami. I really like their tubes too.

>>3805319
No reason to apologize.

And I agree. The look of their tubes is a lot less sterile than PVMs can be while still giving a really nice and clean image.

>>3805308
Thank that poster's friend. And I'm not terribly surprised that they'd still look for something to sell you since, apparently, they'll still service and repair some monitors made back in the 90s. Or at least they will if some of the stuff on their site is to be believed.

>>3805337
Aperture Grille sets provide a painfully sharp image that feels clinical, while ikegami with the bulb being rounded in all directions and because of how the shadowmask works appears to have a far more organic look to it.

It's been established that CRT HDTVs tend to have latency and break lightgun support. However, I've been looking into larger CRTs with VGA in as well as old 4:3 monitors for the sake of image quality and PC support.

Are these as good as plain CRT TVs in regards to timing? I recall a Dreamcast VGA box working with House of the Dead 2, but I was curious about /vr/s experiences before making this investment.

Some models I've seen for larger 1024x768 CRT displays include the NEC XM 29 and the Sampo SME-27FDL5.

Okay so of the two PVM 14L5s I got from work, one is okay and the other has this wiggling issue in both composite and RGB input. My first hope is power and he second is a nebulous "random component past all processing" is going out. Anyone got suggestions?

>>3805890
I should probably post a picture.

>>3805874
From my experience, HD VGA CRT PC monitors break light gun support and get artifacts on some systems, but I've only tried one of them, so it's not to say such a model that would not have this issue doesn't exist, but it seems at least a bit unlikely, unfortunately. The monitor I had used was an FW900 if that helps, anon.

From my experience, HD VGA CRT PC monitors break light gun support and get artifacts on some systems, but I've only tried one of them, so it's not to say such a model that would not have this issue doesn't exist, but it seems at least a bit unlikely, unfortunately.

>>3805912
And one more thing: enabling underscan makes the display go wild. So yeah, there's something fishy in this monitor. Gonna go on n adventure to try and figure it out.

>>3805957

That's gonna be one hell of an adventure. How many components are in that thing anyway

>>3805957
Heat and age has not been kind to this monitor's power supply retention bracket. Thanks for the cheap plastic, Sony.

>>3804045

>Have some Ristar

You can keep it. I like the smb3 pic though

>>3805972
I have a spare 14L5 power supply now. Anyone interested? Kidding actually. I'm going to see if someone can 3D print a replacement.

>>3805984
Forgot pic of busted bracket. It just kept snapping into little bits at every stress joint. It makes sense though, considering all the fractures were right next to the huge heatsink.

>>3805986
>>3805984
Oh hey, the bracket is still for sale from Sony's parts partners...

https://sony.encompass.com/item/5984410/Sony/4-086-497-02/Bracket_D--_Fps

>$120

>>3803740

>2048x1536
>CRT

Jesus fuck take me now

I need to stop being poor

>>3805874
It's going to be very hard to find one that actually does 15khz signals (the XM29 you mentioned will do it). If you find one that does support 15khz, they're great for retro and will work with lightguns.

I fix small appliances for a living but I have no actual training or education on electrical work and what have you, but I figure I have enough general experience to replace some composite inputs on the front of my JVC CRT myself rather than dropping the $250 I was wuoted to have a local guy do it.

Thing is I hear these motherfuckers can kill you if you touch the wrong bits.

What bits shouldn't I touch? Am I going to end up as that dead retard who got in over his head in the news tomorrow? Should I have some kind of real training?

>>3806076
The suction-cup looking thing that sticks to back of the tube, and the part of the board that the wire goes to.

>>3806076

1. Don't touch the tube.

2. Yes, you will end up as the dead retard who got in over his head in the news tomorrow. CRTs are LETHAL voltage and WILL kill you.

3. Optimally yes, training would be helpful. But nobody's stopping you from pulling the trigger m8.

>>3806082

Thanks

I'll leave a note so if I fry my ass and die my friends will give my collection away to /vr/ troopers.

How To go FAST????????

>>3806089

SANIC

>>3806087

Wear rubber gloves and don't put two hands in at the same time. Use plastic or rubber handle tools. If electricity passes across your heart you're dead.

Okay the other 14L5 is fucked too and low and behold, the mounting bracket for the power supply is cracking too. I'm betting this one's power supply is even more fucked, so it's time to buy a kit and a new bracket and try to bring one or the other back to life. It'll be a long term project.

>>3804606
daily reminder to always trust the TERMINATOR meme

>>3806107
>doesn't trust auto-termination

>>3803912
game?

>>3806058
There are loads of CRT monitors which could do that resolution, I have a couple myself actually.

It's the 85Hz refresh rate which is the real eye-opener - it's unique in that respect as far as I know. 400HZ RAMDACs are truly a beautiful thing.

>>3806353
*400MHz

Time to quit being a filthy phoneposter...

>>3806076
The real killer isn't the anode cap (though this will hurt real bad and has the potential to fuck with your heart if you ground your free hand).

STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM ANY LARGE CAPACITORS ESPECIALLY AROUND THE POWER SUPPLY.

These carry lower voltage but higher current and can kill you stone dead.

>ywn have a sleek no-fuss 80s aesthetic setup with native RGB inputs, no faggot meme upscalers or converters necessary

Feels bad, man.

>>3806129
auto termination is usually perfectly fine. My BVMs had no problems, but my ikegami's which lack it have some clear issues with getting a clean signal without the 75 ohm terminators on.

Speaking of shadowmask master race, htm-2050R incoming.

>>3806493
>now I bought one of those a couple of weeks back for £5

>>3806493
>mfw I bought one of those a couple of weeks back for £5

Got a JVC AV 27D 303 from Craigslist, anyone know anything about them? It's 72 lbs, I am wondering if my Ikea galant desk will support the weight.

>>3806530
I had a 150lb CRT along with a HDTV on a Bekant for a long time, you'll be fine.

Will a CRT be good even if I'm going to do a rasberry pi emulator console thingy?

Thanks.

>>3806616
Sure but you're going to want a very specific output board because HDMI isn't going to fly with any CRT you buy.

>>3806620
Do you have any ideas as to what kind of output board?

Thanks.

>>3806620
>>3806638
the pi can actually output 480i video from the 3.5mm jack, you just need the right cable
there's also a way to output at 240p but i can't remember how

>>3806641
Would something like this work well:
https://www.adafruit.com/product/2881

If I wanted audio too?

>>3806646
yeah, something like that. with the one i have, the video comes through the red connection instead of the yellow so make sure you try swapping them around if it doesn't work at first

So, I wanna build a MAME arcade, right.
Should I go for a crt monitor, a crt tv or an lcd (and use filters)?
I got a crt tv here but it's heavy as fuck and some cheap brand I've never heard of. I also don't want to use a remote every time I want to play something.
Suggestions?

>>3806654
Thanks man!

>>3806641
Pi can't do 240p composite on the 3.5mm jack. It can do 240p RGB over the GPIO pins. Look into Gert's VGA666.

>>3806879
Another, easier option is Pi2Scart and breakout to S-Video/Composite from Scart with the standard chinese adapter

Moving Behemoths: Part 1 of 2

So I am putting together a gaming pc and no longer have room for both the big boys.

I am torn on which one to move to the secondary station. The Mitsubishi is A E S T H E T I C but the JVC station has more storage and component inputs for the Wii. I am thinking of moving the mitsu and putting it in a nook full of bean bags for max comfy and sliding the jvc over to where the mitsu is now to make room for my desk

escuse the mess.

>>3806929
>Pi2Scart
Have they even shipped any of those yet?

>>3806932
this is the nook, excuse the non /vr/

>>3806940
and this is why I don't want to move them more than once. Mitsu owners manual

help me decide /vr/

>>3806932
idk but let me get that nickelodeon alarm clock

>>3806950
never. that is a childhood treasure

>>3806107
That looks more like just a standard RCA adapter than a terminator, but yeah. I definitely need to pick one up. Haven't needed to up until now, since everything else either auto terminates or has a switch for it.

>>3806504
Thankfully it doesn't seem to have any issues with RGB and Component inputs, as such.

Don't think I've tried S-Video yet though; Should probably see what happens with that.

>>3806932
Mothers attic / 10

Picked this up at a thrift store today. 5" Emerson. trying to find an easy way to get from 3.5mm jack to composite or vga

>>3807014

>>3806929
>VGA666
>Pi2JAMMA
>Pi2SCART
>still no Pi2Component
Feels bad, man.

>>3807016
That jack is RF (says Ext. Antenna). I had to buy a 3.5mm to coax adapter for my handheld TV.

>>3807014
If it has an ant in jack you need a 3.5 mono to type f connector and use rf modulator on ch 3/4. If it has an a/v in it will be a 3.5mm stereo with composite on one leg and mono audio on the other.

>>3806994

I'm 34 and live with my grandma, thank you very much

>>3807029
very nice i plan to use this crt with my nes.

>>3806504
what game?

>>3807023
Get a RGB Scart to YUV converter, they cost 50$ and they work pretty well.

>own a toshiba 30hf84
>i can't figure out how to get the grid pattern
>service manual mentions it, but never explains how to get it

pls help.

>>3807169
just use 240p test suite, it's better than the built in on my sets.

consumer shadowmask

why do people remove the anti-glare coating?

>>3807291
Makes picture more bright/vibrant and colorful

>>3807291
In my case, I removed the AG because it was scratched all to hell.

>>3807074
princess crown on the saturn

>>3806932
well it took forever to separate everything but the deed is almost done.

>>3806353
There are a few more monitors that support 85Hz at that resolution. What really sets it apart is the 0.199mm dot pitch.

>>3805197

... nobody tried to help me, feels bad man

Needed to re-flow the solder on the coax connector

>>3807751

Well, at least you figured it out. Good job

>>3807014
That 3.5mm jack is almost certainly an aerial lead not a composite input. You'll need to run RF into it. I use a Stereo RCA to 3.5mm plug, and plug a console with built-in RF to the Left channel on it, and I get good picture on channel 3 or 4.

>>3807624
That 0.199mm only applies to horizontal res though. The vertical is 0.23 which is nothing special.

lacie electron22blueIV is among the best for PC, yeah?

>>3807794
You probably meant diagonal since vertical would still be 0.199mm. Though I think horizontal would be the best measurement to compare with since the pitch on grilles and slot masks is measured horizontally too.

In case anyone else is interested, here's my list of caps for recapping the D and D1 boards (deflection boards) for Sony PVM-14L5s. This might also be mostly accurate for PVM-20L5s, since the parts list is largely shared between the two.

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=a316f47620

About $35 total. This is only the electrolytic caps, not the film caps or anything else on the boards. I'm mostly confident the film caps on my board are good, but I'll probably desolder them and test their capacitance anyhow just to be sure. Film caps are a pain to find matches for.

>>3802325
That is like the worst game to show it off for that statement. That CG art direction has not aged well at all.

>>3802059
>>3802663
>>3803290

I seem to recall there's a dip switch on one of the boards which enables AFC and may help with non-standard sync inputs.

>>3794854
Gonna start my PVM journey with this little fucker now that I finally have money to blow, but I got no idea how to set up a pair of speakers for it or what kind of speakers to use.

>>3808060
At the very least, theres a toggle button on the front related to it.
In the end, it was just an issue with termination. Will try to take some photos of (actually synced) NES stuff tonight.

>>3808071
>1271q
>$170
I hope you're not serious.

>>3808078
When did I say I bought that shit for $170? I just pulled it from the back of a Safeway store for free.

hi /crt/, I wanted to pick up a broadcast monitor and hook it up to a laptop to have it run a continuous stream of movies, anime, etc. I was thinking a JVC TM (R9U, 910SU, 910U/A, A101G) or Sony PVM (8041Q, 9-L2), all 8". they look cool, got a lot of knobs, are available on ebay and within my price range. was thinking 13" but not really finding any on ebay

So I have some questions. how hard it would be to convert the output from the thinkpad's standard 15 pin VGA to the monitors? would subs display legibly on an 800x600 screen? is 8" too small for normal use? and is there anything I should know about the different models I listed? I've read PVM is higher quality than JVC, but they're about twice the price`

>>3808167
>laptop
>streaming
Just watch off your laptop you autistic faggot. Your post doesn't even contain anything /vr/ related whatsoever.

>>3808169
Lol enough said really

>>3808169
It's intended to be a continuous stream playing constantly in the background, it would be intrusive on my PC setup. The laptop's screen is dead, I'm running it as a media server that I ssh into from my PC.

When the CRT is in use, it'll be to emulate games (and mainly PS1 and Dreamcast, not S/NES). I'm just not evaluating the options with visual quality of emulation as the major motivation.

>>3808167
>800x600
You'd need a much more expensive multiformat monitor or just a regular (and much cheaper) SVGA PC monitor.

Is it even possible to tell the difference between real scanlines on a 240p TV/monitor and black lines inserted every other line on a CRT PC monitor set to 640X480?

>>3808454
Without additional filters and sitting within a few feet of the monitor? Yes. Further than a few feet away and using any type or blur filter: no.

But it's comfy bro.

>>3808284
Which part exactly is the problem? Converting VGA to S-video/RGB?

>>3806879
looking in to this a bit, i only have a run of the mill consumer crt, so i'd need something like a GBS-8100 to convert the vga signal down to composite, right?

it's a bit confusing, seems like most of the development in this area is intended for either SCART or JAMMA

am i heading in the right direction at least?

>>3808546
I'd be inclined to stick with the 480i off it's 3.5mm jack in that case. The GPIO stuff makes more sense if your TV has RGB/Scart or perhaps component.

>>3808660
it's a pile of flickering shit honestly. it's less laggy than playing on my lcd over hdmi, but it looks terrible. i'll probably end up picking that stuff up anyway since it's not exactly breaking the bank.
i've been looking to upgrade my CRT for a while too but the market is pretty barren around here.

>>3808546
>>3808691
Someone else will need to chime in then. I'm passing familiar with the Pi, but not really signal conversion.

>>3808691
Where's here?

Also, anyone got hot ideas for a CRT shop domain name?

>>3808753
sf bay area
craigslist is dry and as far as i know the secondhand/thrift stores, in my neighborhood at least, don't even accept CRT's as donations any more

>>3808256
just fucking get an lcd man

>>3808801
There's a guy who works at GameSpot who's gotten into PVMs and might have one for sale. You need to integrate yourself into the hipster scene.

Or I'll ship you one but it's kinda expensive. Funny thing is I get a lot of my monitors from LA and NY.

>>3808256
idk try something called an hdtv i hear its pretty good for watching movies and shit on

>>3808158
The auction that image is pulled from has a BIN of $170 and the
>now that I finally have money to blow
bit.

Free is free though.

>>3808542
The resolution mismatch, primarily. You can buy cheapo converters to get Composite/S-Video from standard VGA, but it will look like complete horseshit.

VGA is already RGB, but even the lowest resolution it has will be too much for just about all PVMs/BVMs, much less small ones like the 804* series and various JVC/Panny options. Being from a laptop, and specifically a thinkpad(depending on the model) could make things even more difficult, more so if you're in a Windows environment.

You honestly would be better off finding a cheapo 14-16'' PC CRT and using that instead. Not only will it be several magnitudes cheaper in all likelihood, they're much more common and much easier to setup for your specific needs.

Should we kill this general?
I have noticed a constant influx of newbies that have absolutely no clue about CRT tech and are only joining band wagon to be hipsters. They are having a noxious effect on prices of professional monitors and often destroy them by shipping them from the other side of the world.
Let's make CRTs obscure again before they destroy all the available stock.

>>3809061
Good, perhaps they will kill the PVM meme

>>3809061
not everybody is a fuckin dilbert that jerks off to service manuals, some of us just want to play games

>>3808546
Wait for Pi2Scart if you want 240p composite because SCART is a way to wire a bunch of video signal into one big cable.
There's no conversion needed to get composite or s-video out of it.

>>3809061
>Should we kill this general?
I say yes, but only because I'm an oldfag. Once you actually own and have properly calibrated your CRT, there is no fucking purpose for this thread.

>>3809075
>some of us just want to play games
Then you shouldn't be on 4chan.

>>3809070
>PVM meme
Is something a meme if it's still actually good, though?

>>3809092
Scart is just a plug. Pi2Scart is RGB only.

>>3808256
>Having such a short attention span that you need some kind of stimulus happening to you 24/7
>Emulators
You are a special kind of autistic faggot I'll give you that. Just fucking hook it up to a normal computer monitor and quit trying to be some kind of hipster queer.

>>3809014
I pulled the image from google, as for the money I'm blowing it on putting the setup together, getting all the cables and junk is fucking expensive.

>>3809061
You do realize that the only two people on here that actually seem to know anything about professional monitors are a person living in gatorland and a fucking tripfag of all things right and that both of these people are also big names for reddit's own crt general right?

>>3809061
As someone who's kinda new, I just wanna say some things. First
>only joining band wagon to be hipsters
Fuck no, I'm getting into CRTs because old consoles look like shit on HDTVs and I don't have $300 to blow on a framemeister.

I tried a PVM because I found one for a reasonable price and every consumer set I've ever owned had some kind of terrible issue with it.

I don't mind having to learn a few things and do some calibration. You know what I do mind, though?

The fact that resources aren't quite easily accessible. Almost every time I've turned to google for a problem, I've gotten no fucking help. I hate that I can't seem to find a single service shop in my area even touches consumer CRTs, let alone PVMs. I hate how fussy SCART cables are. I hate how I've constantly fiddled with the settings, trying to get the picture to look right in motion, only to find that the bottom right corner is slightly stretched out for some goddamn reason that I probably can't fix on my own.

I'm not some hipster and I'm not trying to ruin your thread or your hobby. I'm just a picky faggot who loves old video games and doesn't want his to look like shit. I can't go back to the laggy, squiggly mess that is old vidya on HDTVs, and I don't think I can go back to composite, either.

I'm sorry, anon. I don't mean to make things shittier for you. I really don't.

>>3809367
>gatorland
Fuck yeah I bleed orange and blue.

/r/crtgaming is okay but I prefer these threads.

>>3809119
Some people play these PVM on 9 inchers just because its slightly sharper than a consumer TV

It's a meme.

>>3809494
Emulate........

>>3809513
I prefer owning and playing physical media.

Sorry, anon.

>>3809494
Someone took their time to write a coherent post describing their reason for being here? Grab your cross and nails, boys. It's time for a crucifixion!

>>3809367
I feel pretty confident in my knowledge. I don't know everything but people have identified me by my ikegami monitors and cotton tea cups.

>>3809508
I agree anything under 13" is too small. I'd take a good tier 27" consumer set over a 8" RGB PVM any day.

>>3809608
you're a real slut arent you

>>3809742
Guy just loves him some big, fat, uncultured consumer Cathode Ray Tubes. No appreciation for Production Video Monitors of color, I tell you waht.

>>3809756
>Production Video Monitors

>>3809061
>lets be selfish fucks and leave this general
You first anon, and don't forget to close the door behind you and dump the key

>>3809494
Get a consumer TV. Use s-video or composhite if you don't have access to SCART. Stop going full autismo on small geometry quirks and overscan, they're part of this shit. You don't need a tech, you need some luck with your TV and a way to the service menu. Also you need to go outside and I don't mean the post office.

>>3809838
I CAN'T go back. If it was something I could turn off, I'd have done so long ago.

I realize perfection isn't possible on CRTs, but I'd at least like to stop noticing a stretching every time something scrolls to one side of the screen.

Also fuck you, the outside in Tejas is absolute garbage for three quarters of the year.

>>3809494
Your problem seems to be autism related. Just get a CRT off craigslist and be done with it.

>>3809864
And what exactly would a consumer CRT do to sate my autism, exactly?

>>3809902
>Used exactly twice
Welp, this is what I get for posting while tired. Whatever.

>>3809061
>influx of newbies that have absolutely no clue about CRT tech

That's what the general is for
But I do get that's it's annoying to have to answer the same dumb questions over and over (how many times do we need to tell people how to connect a PC to a CRT?). Some of the common ones should be answered directly in the op.

>They are having a noxious effect on prices of professional monitors
>he doesn't have all the monitors he could possibly need yet
Are you sure YOU are one of these newbies trying to get into CRTs?

>>3794902
No anon, those are shit prices.

>>3800301
>I also see some newer plasmas that claim to be 720p/1080i.
>How can they be interlaced if they are not CRTs?
>Does this mean they cannot handle 1080 progressive (I want to use as computer monitor)?

From what I have heard the "1080i" TVs actually only have 720p worth of pixels in their screens. When they receive 1080 content they downscale it to 720p, or if it is a cheap TV they discard half the image of 1080P and for 1080i they fill the whole screen with 1 field (half image) at a time (no interlacing like CRT TVs).

1080i content is commonly output by digital television provider to save bandwidth (sports channels use 720p for better motion clarity).
I am not aware of any game consoles that output native 1080i (not counting downrezzing their native 1080p to work with legacy TV sets).

Please correct me if I have anything mixed up here.

>>3809961
I'm hoping it's all in Canada bucks.

So what are my options for NES (NTSC)? Is it really just either hard modding or getting an emulator for S-Video?

>>3810164
>I am not aware of any game consoles that output native 1080i

PS2 via composite and a change in settings/button press can do it if you hold down triangle & X during the Playstation load screen for some of its games. Most notably Gran Turismo 4

RED and BLUE color signal are dying on my PVMeme TV. What do? I can see the red and blue signal fading until im left with a green color burst. But its intermittent so maybe something is not getting voltage?

>>3810275
Throw it in the garbage where it belongs and don't fall for it again.

>>3810275
Could be a number of issues. The absolute worst case scenario is the tube dying. The only temporary solution for that is a rejuvenation. I hope that's not your issue. I hope your problem is something less dire, like cabling/connectivity issues or even caps drying out on the signal processing board(s). What model PVMotherfucker do you have? You're using the RGB/Component inputs, right? Have you tried other sources?

>>3810195
yeah you gotta mod that shit for rgb or s-video. might as well get rgb. should run you like $75 for all the parts? Soldering isn't hard, just don't be a pussy.

>>3810380
I'm not sure someone who hasn't done a lot of soldering before will be able to desolder a PPU without killing it.
Have you ever done it yourself? You sure don't sound like it.

>>3810384
I do it all the time at my job. You want a soldering iron, a solder sucker, and just a bit of extra soldering wire just to refill the shit you remove. It is very easy, like I said, just don't be afraid. It's actually pretty hard to accidentally damage something while soldering.

Look at this /crt/, and weep:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/americas-television-graveyards

>>3810426
Got posted twice on reddit. I kinda want to take a trip to one of these warehouses for video.

>>3810384
Like >>3810417 says, it's actually relatively easy. You can use a solder pump (cheap, works well), a desoldering gun (not cheap, works really well) or desoldering braid (really cheap, doesn't work perfectly). Just be careful to keep from exposing the PPU to too much heat for too long. Only enough to liquify the solder and remove it, no more.

>>3808078
Whats wrong with the 1271q?
Thatd what I got recently, seems like a good entry point and sizeable for a desk setup

>>3810307
How much do you think I could sell a bung PVM for? $50?

>>3810417
>>3810435
The problem with desoldering the NES PPU in particular ( or most chips on NES carts) is that it is soldered on plated trough-holes and has solder on both sides of the board. If you have a nice desoldering gun it is easy but with only braid and pump there's a significant risk of lifting traces.

>>3810449
If I remember correctly, the legs on the NES PPU are fat fuckers. I've seen folks install sockets and it looks pretty doable if you're decent at soldering and don't go nuts.

>>3810442
Depends on who's buying. A smart guy with the skills to bring it back to life might pay like $20 max for a actually busted PVM. I'm probably going to pick up a big old 20 inch Sony HTM for free because the power supply is "shot" which is code for "it don't turn on no more and I ain't got no idear why."

How good is ps1 Scart output? I'm using ps2 component to play ps1 games but the quality isn't up there. Maybe because I'm used with the Sega Saturn Scart output, i don't know.

>>3810531
I mean, I don't think it's going to get THAT much better than component from a PS2 for PS1 games.

>>3810526
The problem is not whether the legs are fat or thin. The problem is that there's solder on both sides and you can't easily remove it with just braid and sucker. Furthermore, you can't easily see when you have desoldered a leg because there could still be solder behind the leg or inside the hole.
It is doable but the risk of lifting traces is significant.

>>3810531
It's better than YPbPr from PS2. That console doesn't have the best component output.

Whether it's better than PS2 RGB? I'd have to do a comparison to be sure but I doubt there's much difference tbqh. Why not pick up the cables first and see how you like it before adding another machine into the mix. At least with PS2 you get the option of faster loading and texture smoothing (if you're into that kinda thing).

>>3810417
>>3810435
>>3810526
I've done a couple of NESRGB and Hi-Def installs myself so yeah I know it isn't too hard if you have experience.
But going ahead and telling someone who hasn't done it before to "not be a pussy" and "it's easy" is BS and they'll most likely fuck it up if they try it with just braid or a simple solder sucker.
If you want to desolder the PPU/CPU and don't have a lot of tools at hand I'd suggest doing this:
Get a soldering iron and a simple hand solder sucker. Suck the solder from all the pins. It doesn't need to be perfect and you most likely won't be able to get it perfect with just those two tools.
Next apply hot air to the back of the board onto the chip pins and get your ic puller onto the chip. The air will quickly melt the remains of the solder in the holes and the chip will smoothly lift out without any dangers of pulling a trace or heating the chip up too much.

>>3810531
>>3810553
Oh, and you can get RGBs on either generation with a component cable and a composite breakout (GunCon adaptor) so you may not even need additional cabling if you're savvy.

>>3810531
The colorspace is slightly different but the sharpness is the same. phonedork does a comparison in one of his vids.