/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3788648
This would have been better before Joot transferred 4chan's media/image servers to the slow shit they are today.
On an image board, bandwidth should be prioritized to images.
It clearly is not.

As for a response to your questions, give me another 5 minutes for the webm to load and i'll let you know.

I've cooked up a new layout with room for more titles. I changed the shape of the chart to fit better on typical widescreen displays, since most web browsers don't seem to like the idea of viewing webms at 100% scale and scrolling around them like still images.

I tried to dress it up with some pixel art but I don't think it really looks very good. Would flat color borders look better? Or maybe just something less busy. It kind of clashes.

Looks like it still fits in 3MB with good video quality even as the chart gets filled up.

I may be able to do significantly longer video clips if the quality is still good.

>>3788648
Looks pretty cool.

I'd say add Plasma Sword and Project Justice. Maybe show some actual gameplay of Ikaruga too.

>>3788648
>What titles do I absolutely need to add
I suggest:
Virtual-On Oratorio Tangram
Gundam Side Story 0079
Tech Romancer
Elemental Gimmick Gear
all of them being /m/ related is purely coincidental

Added more games and changed the border of the cells to something less busy.

Experimenting with graphical logos for the publishers.

I guess all the good games for this system were either first party or Capcom games.

Experimenting with graphical logos for the publishers.

I guess all the good games for this system were either first party or Capcom games.

>>3788648

>Dynamite Cop
>Power Stone 2
>Bangai O
>HYDRO THUNDER
>shenmue

already got everything you need

Gunlord's pretty great

>>3788648
Why no Chu Chu Rocket ?

>>3788648
http://pastebin.com/9tg0x7Sp

>>3790816
>What titles do I absolutely need to add
Adding to suggestions already in thread:
Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000
Dead or Alive 2
Fast Striker
Fighting Vipers 2
Giga Wing
Gunbird 2
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Last Hope: Pink Bullets
Mars Matrix
Propeller Arena: Aviation Battle Championship
Puyo Puyo~n (Puyo Puyo 4)
San Francisco Rush 2049
Sturmwind
Virtua Fighter 3tb
Zero Gunner 2 (Imp)

>>3791087
Chu Chu Rocket is in there already.

>>3791228
That's a long list m8, too long to fit in this little chart. It can't scroll so this 35-title version is just about the biggest I can do. If I wanted to do like 100 games I would have to split it into separate charts for separate genres (or categories of some kind). That's not a bad idea, but I guess I'd like to do a general one first.

Let's go for like two or three games of each kind on here. I should definitely add some of the indie titles like Sturmwind because those are an important part of the dreamcast scene I don't yet have represented, and I think I should also be sure to hit unique titles like JJBA. That pretty much fills up the chart though.
Beyond that anything I put on means something else has to come off, so let me know if you think I should switch in another specific fighting game instead of Street Fighter or something.

Does anyone have a real video clip for Seaman? The one I have is just Leonard Nimoy telling you to plug in the microphone, which is pretty pointless without any sound.

Unrelated, here's how the template for the cells of the chart works. The border is drawn around it on all sides (and forms the image shown in the center of the box where the video normally goes when cells are stacked side by side) and the area is divided into boxes for the cover art, video clip, title, and misc info. I'd like to make the visible parts of those boxes a little more appealing somehow. Maybe give them a little texture.

Chart filled up. I can swap things and change the order now. Should I do alphabetical order or just sort the games by genre or something?

I'd still like to get more graphical icons for the little tags and things. I also need to go through and adjust the time ranges for the various video clips in order to actually capture some action.

>>3792112
alphabetical for convenience sake

These are awesome.

Is there a template in this style for other platforms?

This would be a great project for /vr/;

>>3792508
There's no way I can see to make a template out of it, but it is generated by an avisynth script that can be re-purposed for any platform, genre, etc.

>>3791750
Just use a clip of two Seamen having antenna sex.
You can easily find one in the AVGN episode.

>>3788648
>generally improve this chart
Don't make it a webm.
Don't try to be different just for the sake of being different.

>>3792792
It's just an idea I wanted to try. If you don't like the animation, turn off the looping and the video clips become still screenshots.

>>3792843
Sorry bro, I was being an ass for no reason, it's actually fine.
Sometimes I'm just an ass here and I don't even know why, it just happens.

The DC library wasn't too big to begin with so I actually can't add anything to it, you already mentioned everything I played.

Added a little graphical flair. I hope the icons I drew make sense.

>>3788648
Kick ass. Glad yer making headway. You should add:


Canon Spike
Sea Man
Gauntlet (Any of them)
NFL Blitz
Chu Chu Rocket
Toy Commander
Virtua Fighter 3

Added genre descriptions and sorted by alphabetical order.

Most of the games that have been mentioned in this thread or in the other dreamcast thread are represented in this chart (either directly or as a member of a mentioned series), but there are some I haven't been able to squeeze in. If you are a fan of one of those absent games, please also suggest something to remove when you recommend your game. There are a lot of shmups and 2D fighting games on here already (which is representative of the DC library), and I'm interested in capturing a sample of those genres with as much variety as possible, which is why I've included indie/homebrew shmups over things like Border Down, Under Defeat, etc., and JJBA and Virtual On over Capcom vs SNK, KoF, etc.

>can't zoom in on videos

Chrome was a mistake

>>3794186
It looks fine at 1920x1080 or above, although it is a little hard to make out on a smaller monitor.

For what it's worth, in Chrome you actually can zoom in on it if you expand the webm on the page (rather than opening it in a tab by itself) and then zoom in on the whole page. There's not much to see (other than my tiny pixel art, I guess) though because the boxcovers are rendered at 88x88 and the video clips are downscaled to 192x144.

I considered doing animated gif versions of the chart (which can be zoomed as normal) for mobile users, but a 3MB gif of this size can only hold a small handful of frames. The original webm has 60 frames, this gif has like 8.

>>3794172
That looks pretty nice. I applaud your efforts.

A bit off-topic, but why does Dreamcast get a pass for 6th gen consoles?

If the rule for a console needing to be made before 2000 was established almost four years ago, wouldn't it stand to reason to at least let the other consoles on thr board and limit discussion to the year of released games?

>Put a 15 year rule up
>Any game and console released during or before 2002 can be discussed
>Keeps /vr/ from being stale and cuts back on the MUH shitposters

>>3794370
Whatever you personal feelings on the matter is, for some people the board is about this particular era of games and should never change, for others it's just for old games and as soon as games are considered old it should be allowed. This is the basic split of the arguments, and you'll find no consensus on the issue.

But as it stands it's for hardware before 2000. If you ever get an update on the rules it's going to be the addition of the GBA alone, because it's seen as a portables SNES. Adding the whole 6th gen would be the next step, but not before the GBA step. Regardless if you agree or not, that's the more likely thing to happen, if it happens.

>>3794172
This looks nice! I think you should add Godzilla Generations and Ecco the Dolphin: Defenders of the Future though... Propellor Arena is a good one too. I'm not sure what you should replace though.

OP You're a legend this is amazing work, keep it up

Getting close to the limit of what I can do with this one.
Added the rest of the logos and another icon. Also added some completed borders around the edges.

>>3794980
You're doing excellent job, I wish I could help, but I am inexperienced when it comes to the Dreamcast. I'll gladly be using that chart of yours.

>>3794980
>tfw no Cosmic Smash
This is beyond excellent OP, but I feel like you're missing some great, unique Dreamcast games, considering Sonic Adventure got a Dreamcast/PC port, Jet Grind Radio had a Xbox sequel and PC port, and Code Veronica had a PS2 port.

>>3794980
Could use more racing game an, uh "unorthodox" games, if you will.

>>3795458
*games

>>3788648
What a horrible waste of time.

>>3795442
>>3795458
I know what you mean. The unique and "quirky" titles of the Dreamcast's library are a big part of what makes it stand out as a system. I tried to cover that with stuff like Seaman, Chu Chu Rocket, Sega Bass Fishing, etc. But such a small chart runs out of room fast. Though I could switch Rez with Cosmic Smash maybe.

Racing games are a little sparse on here because I don't like MSR, and some of the more simulation-y or intense games like Test Drive Le Mans seem like they'd be too much for this chart. This also lets me keep the number of games that are just "drive a car around a city" low--Hydro Thunder is as good a racing game as any on this system, but the boat gimmick makes it a little more visually interesting. Crazy Taxi also straddles the line, even though it's not really a racing game, so the chart has a fair number of "make this vehicle go fast!" titles. If I were going to put on another true racing game, it would probably be 18 Wheeler (for the variety).

This is really cool, OP. You should do this for other consoles as well. A Saturn version would be really neat.

That being said, there a couple games on here that I really think should be removed. Sonic Adventure is a legitimately bad video game, and everyone and their mother already knows about it. Kind of a wasted spot, imo. Toy Commander is another questionable choice. Have you played Toy Commander lately? For all of its quirk, Seaman is really dumb, and I would never recommend it to anyone. Worms Armageddon is a fine console port, but there are so many other ways of playing Worms these days.

My picks would be Dead or Alive 2, Metropolis Street Racer, Typing of the Dead, and CvS2. If Typing counts as the same series as House, then I'd put Sega Rally 2.

>>3795630
A lot of people like/quite like Sonic Adventure

>>3795560
>Racing games are a little sparse on here because I don't like MSR
>a little sparse on here because I don't like


This whole thing in a nutshell

>>3795672
Why would I put bad games on it?

>>3795687
Not everyone agrees on what games are good and bad. You're putting massive amounts of time and work into what's really just a big animation of some games just you personally like. What's the point?

If I encode it "wrong," it comes out like a slideshow instead of a grid.

>>3795710
I think you are making a lot of assumptions buddy. Of course not everyone agrees. Of course there are more than 35 worthwhile games on the dreamcast.

I'm trying to encompass the "spirit" of the platform while also representing the games that are collectively well-loved. I don't like MvC2 and I've never even played Skies of Arcadia, but you will find them on every chart or top N list. I know Sonic Adventure is controversial but the series is one of the most iconic and frequently mentioned on the console.

If you have an opinion or a constructive criticism I can actually work with, I will take it into account. That's the only reasonable way to assemble a chart like this. Someone has to be the arbiter or it will never get made in the first place. Every other recommendation chart ever posted on /vr/ has the same story behind it.

>>3795739
I think best of lists are worthless and only lead to squabbling about what is "underrated" or "overrated" In general people should be encouraged to explore games themselves and form their own opinions of what they like and don't. A list of releases is all anyone should want or need.

Making best of lists and montages is just a big ego stroking exercise that lowers the bar for interesting discussion by reducing things down to what's popular vs unpopular.

>>3795795
I can understand where you're coming from on that, but it is ultimately inconsequential for this exercise. Yes, rating and ranking things (whether books, movies, music, video games, etc.) is inherently limited by the subjectivity of entertainment. Nevertheless, people do it. My purpose in this is actually to explore a way to improve that somewhat. If I am just presented with a big list of game titles, I need to look each one up individually to find out what kind of game it is, and only then do I even begin to get a sense of whether I would enjoy playing it. Sometimes seeing the cover art, the genre, is enough to get interested, but a screenshot or a video clip is even better. Since I realized it would be possible to make a chart with short video clips included, I thought doing this might be a good way to give people exactly the kind of agency you are talking about, by letting them see for themselves how the collectively popular games for a console play.

Tweaked the video clips a little bit to try to show some action in every game. Got a real clip for Seaman too.

I'd like to do charts for other systems, but for most other consoles I would need a lot of input on what games to include. I think I might also struggle to differentiate the charts visually. I probably should've used a more dreamcast-like visual theme and color scheme to make that easier. Oh well.

Once I have templates worked up for other consoles, should I post them in their own individual threads? Maybe I should just do no more than one at a time to avoid spamming the board.

>>3795883
I think you could put them in individual threads, but when you have others you could even put them all in one thread!

I definitely encourage a Saturn wall too. I could give you some suggestions (Panzer Dragoon, Nights into Dreams, Grid Runner, Radiant Silvergun, Space Hulk, Saturn Bomberman, Sonic R [maybe Sonic Xtreme too, even though it's incomplete? It's interesting], Lunacy, Corpse Killer).

Great work on this wall. Only suggestion I could add would be to either try and make the videos loop more seamlessly (maybe a loop fade?) or make the loop breaks more spread out so it's less jarring.

also re: Cosmic Smash, I'd leave Rez in because it's so defining for the console, but Worms Armageddon could be replaced by Cosmic Smash, just because like someone else said, you can play Worms on basically everything. Or leave it as-is.

>>3795952
This is my attempt at a "loop fade," which I interpreted as dissolving the last few frames of the clips into the first few frames. Notably implementing this has made the chart take like ten times longer to render. I'm doing the fade per clip, so I'll try applying it over the whole chart at once instead to see if that's faster.

But is this what you meant? It's hard to tell if the seamless effect is working on my end because while I have the scripts loaded I have basically no free memory and my playback of the full chart becomes a little choppy.

>>3788648
Pretty much everybody has said what I would suggest, but I would add:
Phantasy Star Online
Record of Lodoss War

>>3796101
That's exactly what I meant!! That looks insanely better imo... That really sucks it takes so much longer to render, but applying it to the entire chart sounds like it should go a lot faster.

Very nice job OP

>>3795712

I actually prefer this.

Ultimately you're going to have to decide what the purpose of this chart is.

Is it a list of the most notable/popular Dreamcast games?
Is it a list of the best Dreamcast exclusive games?
Is it a list of games to check out after you're finished with the obvious choices?

All three of these lists would be pretty different, and that's why you're seeing a lot of disagreement here. If it's a list of notable Dreamcast games (or console-defining games), then of course it should include Sonic Adventure. If it's a list of hidden gems or quality exclusives, then it should be axed.

>>3795853
> I thought doing this might be a good way to give people exactly the kind of agency you are talking about

That's a decent idea but it would be better to just do a breakdown of the various games by genre and let people see what looks interesting.

Wasn't there a really good Berserk game for the Dreamcast?

>>3797307
No there's was a really bad Berserk game for Dreamcast.