/vr/ - Retro Games

On a scale of 1 to Castlevania 3, how hard is this?

The second is the best. no doubt.

>>377610
I don't know, I liked 3, it's just America got gimped to hell with the difficulty.

>>377615
Castlevania 1

>>377628

No, NG is fair. It even has sharp controls.

>>377621
So it's really not very difficult at all, it just has a handful of bullshit parts that are hard as fuck due to bad design?

>>377601
>which Ninja Gaiden is the best?

The hardest one, of course. That's all of them

>>377628

Mostly it is due to one thing - if you die on any one of the last three forms of the final bosses, they send you back to the beginning of the stage instead of just one screen back, and it is too frustrating to fight your way back.

NG1 is much easier than CV3. Tight controls, great level design, it's my favorite NES game.

>>377628
Exactly~

>>377621

WHAT!?!? REALLY? they gimped ninja gaiden 2 difficulty on america? :S

>>377615
Castlevania is a different kind of hard. It's all about trajectory and thinking of stratagy for certain sections of the game. whereas Ninja gaiden is more reflex based and remembering where enemies are.

>>377671
NG3 on NES is sadistically hard, nearly impossible I would think. Limited continues and all.

>>377683
aaah yeah the american NG3, I thought jap ng2 was difficult, damn my eyes where shining with the 8bit spark again.... and I don't know why people think ng3 is the hardest? the "real" dragonsword, or the big dragonsword powerupt protect ryu even overhead, there are less bullshit spots and the jumps feels like you are on a magic carpet... the only hard stage FOR ME in ninja gaiden 3 is the last one (just a personal opinion, I don't take my experiences as fact)

Ninja Gaiden is my favorite trilogy of NES games. I think 2 is the best game although 1 is my favorite.

As for bad design? Hell no. Ninja Gaiden is so well designed that if you work at it you can manage to beat the game without dying once like I did. You can't do that consistently with Castlevania due to bad controls.

Anybody played the Sega Gamegear Ninja Gaiden? It was fun as hell but weirdly easy compared to the NES titles.

The final boss sequence of NJ2 was really cool.

I've never played the new ones. Are they any good? I heard they're hard.

>>377732
I've only the played Sigma on Vita, and it's decent. very hard, but not too amazing as far as action games go.

>>377732
New ones are some of the best 3d Actions games of all time.

>>377732
The new ones are very good. I think they are the best 3D action games around.

However, I still prefer the NES games.

They should make a real sequel to the arcade version.

Am i the only one that loved the remade soundtracks for the SNES compilation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOi0uAOeJZo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRUwOC5ezM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ9xxflmAPc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTVmRCS3ukw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx6n4EAqTQs

I liked the original OST in the NES games, but with the use of the MIDI in the SNES the songs take new life. I honestly felt like in an 80's action movie with the over-the-top brass segments in each section, more pumped up than the first time i played the games.

I had that 'The Ancient Ship of Doom' one for Atari Lynx.

It made me want to kill myself, even more then Toki which was something I never thought would be possible.

>>377773
Too bad a SNES copy is expensive as all fuck.

>>377743
But anon, thats DMC4

Shit man, this guy's on the final level

I´ve been playing Sigma, just started on Very Hard and the first boss is kicking my ass, it´s a great action game, as far as modern games go, one of the best. I grew up with the first Ninja Gaiden on NES, one of my favorites. It´s a strange feeling that I haven´t finished the original, yet I beat Sigma, I feel incomplete

>>377891
Woops

>>377934
Original isn't too hard, just need to put a bit of time into learning the levels and exploits, and then you are golden.

>>377967
The problem is it's way too hard to get the paterns for the boss down because WHEN YOU DIE ONCE YOU GO BACK TO 6-1

>>377939
>Bayonetta 2
don´t hurt me I don´t have a WiiU

>>378169
Yeah, nice thing is at least you don't have to keep fighting the first form over and over again. Keep at it.

>>378206
We're all hurt.

Just a girl. Get out of here!

Not sure if anyone has made this yet, but here you go /vr/.
Ninja Gaiden 2 is my favorite

>>377732
The 3d ninja gaiden games are leagues above devil may cry or bayonneta. Theres no real 3d beat em up that even comes close

>>378381
Can't QUITE say i agree, NG2 (360) was fun but combat didn't feel quite as technical as, say, DMC3. Once you got the Scythe, the rest of the game was a matter of "shoot at it until it dies" and jump+XXXY for the bosses. On the other hand, difficulty starting on Way of the Mentor was bullshit hard. The very first area with the ungodly spam of explosive kunai took me at least an hour to beat.

>>378340
Ninja Ryukendick

>>378504
I never used the scythe.

Dmc3 is not technical at all unless you are playing for score (even than its just about alternating different animtions to milk the diminitioning returns. its about the same as shot cycles in an mmo)

Ninja gaiden has technical aspects that actually affect the combat instead of just scoring: there are many opportunites to abuse invunability frames, ultra technique, finisher move, a well timed shuriken to stun an enemy at the right and identifying when to use slower but aoe combos

>>378584
Now that's just nitpicking (which i guess i'm doing too, so uh). I always found DMC required a bit of "finesse" to go around, but this thread ain't even about DMC so i'll leave it at that.
About NG2, it CAN be played tactically like you've described, but it's a hell of a lot more simple to just go around turning everything to pink mist with the Scythe. It's about as hard and as fun as you want it to be, much like DMC, i suppose.

FUCK THOSE SIX-PACK BAZOOKAS THOUGH. FUCK THEM WITH A WELL-OILED SWORD.

>>378584
>Ninja gaiden has technical aspects that actually affect the combat instead of just scoring: there are many opportunites to abuse invunability frames, ultra technique, finisher move, a well timed shuriken to stun an enemy at the right and identifying when to use slower but aoe combos
To be fair, DMC3 has pretty much all of this except finishers.

Dang, OP's a beast. he beat Ninja gaiden. took him a while but he did it.

>>378679
-no finishers
-no ultra technique
-invunability frames dont have nearly the same level of skill required (the roll is on demand invunability while all invun frames in ninja gaiden require prep time or a specific condition
-combos in dmc are purely aestitic there arn't many that actually help you kill quicker

dmc's complexity is only in the scoring system. If you arn't playing for score than you just mash out that one thrusting combo over and over

>>378751
-no ultra technique
Has crazy combos and boosts like Ultimate Tempest which require buffering and proper set ups. Also DTE.
-invunability frames dont have nearly the same level of skill required (the roll is on demand invunability while all invun frames in ninja gaiden require prep time or a specific condition
Rolling has I-frames, Jumping has I-frames, QS has I-frames on the start up, all the trickster moves have I-frames, RG has I-frames. Learning the I-frames is essential for high-level play and on the harder difficulty levels.
>-combos in dmc are purely aestitic there arn't many that actually help you kill quicker
This I can't agree with at all, each move has a different property and purpose. Learning the meta behind DT mechanics is a big part of playing the game at a high skill level.

>dmc's complexity is only in the scoring system. If you arn't playing for score than you just mash out that one thrusting combo over and over
I'll admit DMC3 has a different focus, mainly on the style and juggles, but come on now.

>>378750
It's an easy game to memorize and get down so that you can run through it, it's just the last chunk at the end that's time consuming, and that's when most people quit because they don't want to do the entire chapter over and over again.

You just have to be dedicated or use save states, it's not really that bad.

>>378901
>use save states
I really hope no one on this board is that much of a scrub. Save states are cancer.

>>378850
But thats true. If you do not play for score than dmc has the complexity of a dynasty warriors game.

There are a lot of different moves but most of them don't really have a practical use, most are just redundant copies of the basic hack animation.

If you play for score there is some complexity, but I think a game like ninja gaiden that is complex whether or not you play for score is better designed.
And on the subject of scoring in beat em ups, dmc3's scoring system really isn't that complicated. Viewtiful joe is more complex scoring system because of the complex resource managment, theres a lot of micro managment with using fast-foward on the right frames. And if you want to talk about really complex scoring theres stuff like guwange where you can take a combo from the first stage and never break it during the entire game. Theres ikaruga where the scoring system which has a scoring system that changes how you play so much its practically a different game. Getting an SSS in dmc is just a matter of having an efficient shot cycle.

>>378930
Well, I disagree completely. Anything is easy though if you know the mechanics behind it, Ninja Gaiden and DMC especially. It's not really what the thread is about, but if you can beat the higher difficulties by spamming stinger, then I am impressed.

nigga ninja gaiden black is the best

>>377727
>that DO NOT TOUCH on the nes

that's great, I love it

I must say, I was VERY impressed with Ninja Gaiden when I played it (recently). It made me replay it immediately after beating it. The last game to do that was Fallout 2 a couple years ago. I mean, it's at least in my top 5 games now. If you guys are saying NG2 is better, I'm in for a good time. I'll play it next once I beat Mega Man 2 and Shatterhand.

Oh, and I think people get a little too worked up about the "going back to 6-1" thing. It's nowhere near as bad to repeat the stages as it is to clear them the first time. Plus, it gives you more opportunity to gather ninja power. I eventually beat Jaquio using just the firewheel rather than my sword because I had so much ninja power. I still can't beat that fucker with just a sword, though.

I've only played 1 and to be honest that game is enough for me. I'm not saying it was so bad it turned me off, it's just that I couldn't imagine there being much more to 2 or 3 that iI hadn't got in 1. That and the fact it was super frustrating to beat even the first game. I mean I love NG and still play the first couple levels for fun, but that game seriously starts to frustrate me highly. I know I should just learn to control myself but it just gets to me somehow when I have to do the same level so many times. Or I finally get to the boss only to be shut down in 2 seconds because I have 1 bar of health.

I've not played the new ones but I heard NG Black is absolutely awesome and insane. I've always wanted to try it but I doubt I'll ever have an Xbox.

>>379691
It's backwards compatible on some 360's I think, and Sigma is the PS3 alternative

Who here owns all 3 of them?

Ninja Gaiden trilogy owner master race here

>>379542
>Retro Tecmo in charge of awesome cinemas
The new ones miss that, interesting stories

>>379718

Well, I don't have either of those consoles either. Thanks for the information though.

>>379720
I used to own just about every NES entry, but my aunt stole them and sold them for drugs years ago.

I just beat NG2 for nes on a rom, and saved my spot just before the end boss. I figured that as long as the game was being cheap, I could be right back. only way I was ever going to have enough patience to ever beat that damn game..

I like NG1 one best but on turbografx 16

Also I own and love to play the famicom version of 3 with its easier difficulty because it's easier to pick up for a short fun play.

>>380151
forgot pic

>tfw this scene happens

Ninja Gaiden was the first game I ever played where a big incentive to beat it was to see what happens next.

>>380157
whats the best turbografx emu?

i was lookin for this version of NG when i saw a screenshot and ended up with the Arcade NG which is a beat em up

>>380168
So i found i can just run them with retroarch's PCE core, i am enjoying this game thank you /vr/