/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[Highway to Hell] The first test build is released; the second phase of mapping to begin just before February
>>/vr/thread/3757618#p3759223

[Til 4-1] QUMP is still going!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zlfb2U2VCeS70uS6Klc2ZEOC9KtnYyCyBXEmeetjh0c/edit

[Til 3-15] Dropbox will be dropping support of public folders in mid-March

[1-27] New release of Custom Gun (v0.999) with fixes
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54303

[1-27] Disjunction Beta 3 released
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1NxOZlEf5aNU3NCN0tVRmk0XzQ/view?usp=sharing

[1-26] Anon release; a pack of SP Quake 2 maps
http://colonthreeenterprises.tumblr.com/post/156354414901/my-quake-2-unit-is-finally-here-3c-it-has

[1-25] Sgt Shivers has released Final Doomer, a gameplay mod with classes themed around TNT and Plutonia
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55061

[1-22] New Smooth Doom version out
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mkkqiypo8q4hm88/SmoothDoom.pk3

[1-19] SLADE v3.1.1.5 released
http://slade.mancubus.net/index.php?page=downloads
http://slade.mancubus.net/index.php?page=changes&v=3.1.1.5

[1-15] A maintenance fork of GZDoomBuilder is released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=54957

[1-14] D4T, a simplified fork of D4D compatible with Zandronum 3.0 and D-Touch, is released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54750

===

PROTIP: If you would like to submit any news or your personal map or mod releases here, please reply/backlink to this post.

Another day, another Doom thread to hide.

>>3766665
HIGHER ON THE STREET

Man I hate having to play rocket tag with cyberdemons

>>3766684
Wouldn't you figure, there's more fucking chaingunners in the walls.

Oh. I was wondering what was growling.

Oh fuck me

YOU KNOW WHAT. NO. I AIN'T PUTTING UP WITH YOUR DEVIL MAGICKS TODAY.

This is me, I stand like this IRL. Usually because I'm a depressed individual like this enemy.

>>3766707
words fail me.

>>3766710
Cheer up, Reaver!

I'M NOT HAVING ANY OF YOUR SHIT TODAY EITHER BONER-BOYS, SAY HELLO TO MY NEON GREEN BONER SLAYING MACHINE.

>>3766668
So we have our Oom BFG now?

OH OKAY, YEAH SURE JUST REVIVE THE CHAINGUNNERS, GREAT. TERRIFIC, I LOVE IT.

THE PERSON WHO MADE THIS MAP IS A BAD MAN.

NOPE. DONE. FUCK YOU ALL.

THE PLUTONIA EXPERIENCE

>>3766727
AND FUCK -YOU- ESPECIALLY.

LUTONIA HREE:
HE EGION F HOUSAND HAINGUNNERS

Off to a good start here.

I'm kidding, this sucks mad penis

>>3766665
>DOOM thread
>not OOM

>>3766741
doom exists and isn't just a bunch of ideas guys

and it's just one surprise after another with Plutonia.

>>3766756
Only to get shot in the back by a fucking chaingunner. Every time.

Greetings.

What was the price for Registered DOOM back in the day?
And how about the price for DOOM 2 on retail stores back in 1994?

I need to know. Thanks in advance.

Is Dark Forces any good?
All i know about it is that the new hope trash compactor monsters are in it

>>3766761
Dark Forces is good but some levels are really really hard to navigate

>>3766761
Yes
A must play if you like the OT and 90s FPS

>>3766759
According to the order form that came with Doom Shareware v1.1, directly ordering Doom from Id Software back in the day cost US$40, plus shipping ($6 within US, $10 international) and sales tax for Texas residents.

I don't know how much Doom 2 cost upon release, but it was a retail release so you could probably get an idea by looking up catalogs from games and electronics stores from late 1994.

>>3766770
For reference, that means the original three-episode release of Doom cost $68.06 in 2017 dollars.

>>3766347
I dunno, I found ammo be quite excessive even, while playing on UV in vanilla (replaying with DAKKA now for more fun).

Perhaps it is because I find most of the secrets on the levels, but they are not all that hidden anyway - mostly samll switches around areas that "you would never look, but that's exactly why you gonna look for secrets there"

>>3766808
BTW anyone knows what tune plays on map18 of the Bloodstain? I remember this tune for somewhere but the name eludes me.

Alright, how do I make gun sounds not sound like total shit? I've tried adding bass chirps and stuff in Audacity but it just doesn't work. Reverb just sounds like total crap, what do I even do?

>>3766821
add sounds on top?

>>3766825
That what I was trying to do but it just sounds like I added some random shit on top.

>>3766821
if you want good reverb in audacity download ambience.. the default reverb is trash
http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?id=568

>>3766834
I'll try it, thanks.

>>3766821
Start with a good base sound and work from there.

Solid foundation > Everything

>>3766845
I'm mainly trying to add some more punch to the default Doom weapon sounds. I know some people did high-res versions of them but they still seem to lack the kind of "boom" that you should expect.

Forgive my ignorance on this.

What is the proper term to describe Doom and the Doom clones of that era?
I know maze like and corridor isn't 100% the right terms.

>>3766867
Doom clones is the term

>>3766874
I'm talking more about the level design and how the games play. I should had been more clear.

Is there any way to make a wall that does NOT allow aplication of decals on it? So that blood and explosion marks do not overaly it - for switches and stuff.

>>3766867
I prefer term "Map-roam" FPS. In Doom/Duke/Quake/Blood/ most retro shooters when you enter a level, you only have access to one section, and open up more sections as you find keys and flip switches, so by the end entire level is available for you to roam. Some maps deviate from that formula, but majority does not.

"Corridor" shooter is Half-Life 2 and modern CoD and MoH, and most other moderns shooters really. You always move forward and almost never look back, the path is linear with very few short optional branches that more often than not end up as dead ends.

"Arena" shooter is a game where you progress from one arena set piece to the next, where area locks down and enemies are let in, and you are required to kill all or most of them before you are given the opportunity to progress further. Serious Sam and Painkiller are prime examples. Sadly, makers of nuDooM decided to incorporate way too many features of that genre.

"Open Location" shooters like FC 1 and Borderlands, while not Open-world in true sense, give you a very large area to traverse and fight in, often presenting several ways of tackling each combat scenario.

And then there's Open World like FC2/3/4

Games like Deus Ex combine "Map-Roam" and "Open Loacation" gameplay elements with varying degrees.

There's also a very rare 6DOF shooter, namely Descent and Forsaken, also, albeit limitedly Aquanox.

>>3766885
I've heard the term "abstract mazelike" before. I kinda like that term. I'm just wondering what the modern Doom fans call it. Figure the general is the best bet since reddit is a shitshow with this subject.

>>3766890
I've heard the term as well, but don't really like it as it does not fit all scenarios. For instance Duke is much more realistic in its locations than Doom, to the point that many would not call it abstract. Unreal and Return to Castle Woflenstein offer similar gameplay in many cases, and in that context "Map-roam" makes more sense than "abstract mazelike"

Doom fans just call them doomclones, as that's what they were called back in the day.

>>3766892
"Doom clone" is such a throw away term though.

>>3766885
Where is that HUD from?

>>3766921
Dakka. Abandonded weapon pack.

>>3766921
>>3766924
Well, it is feature complete and enjoyable.

I plan on overcoming my laziness and replacing weapon sprites with eriance's ones some ay.

Also Doortal Bum compatibility

>>3766885
>Is there any way to make a wall that does NOT allow aplication of decals on it?
Middle textures.

Might require a little bit of trickery on your part though to make it work.

>>3766939
"middle textures" says nothing to me really. Weapons and blood leave decals on any textures including middle ones. What exactly do you mean?

>>3766941
Look at railings, prison bars and vines and stuff in Doom, they're not solid walls like normal, they're the texture between an upper and lower texture.

See the grates in this picture? Decals would not go onto the grate texture.

>>3766948
So you mean to put another transparent texture on top of a real switch, while sinking the switch 1 unit further into the wall? Have to try that.

>>3766948
how the fuck is that lighting hapenning? sector trickery?

>>3766954
Yeah, that's just lighter sectors painted into the room.

sorry if this is a stale meme


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji9qSuQapFY

>>3767040
Why the fuck is this so funny

>>3767046
AEUUHHHH????

>>3767046

>>3767040
AEUHHH??? is never stale.

>>3767040
do you think tim allen's career will ever get dead enough to the point where he has to go back to selling blow?

>>3767125
maybe selling coke is his passion

Does anyone know how to go about making a music wad that plays songs in a specified order? I'm having trouble finding any info about it.

i give up

Can anyone tell from pic related why I'm seeing a blank middle texture rather than the top texture of my door?

Does Quake make anyone else feel really uncomfortable?

>>3767293

>the sound design
>the score
>the flowing gameplay
>the secrets
>the way levels transform before your eyes
>that intangible quake mystique

>>3767281
your door texture might be on the other side, go into line mode and press F on the line to flip the direction

>>3767293
Yeah it makes me uncomfortable that they keep throwing the fucking chainsaw/grenade launcher assholes at you

>>3767294
It feels like a weirdass fever dream.

Not really retro, but does anyone remember an old mod for Doom 3 that kind of remade Quake 1? Not just ported the maps, it was made from the ground up. I think the weapon and enemy models were also made from scratch. I've only found the lazy map ports. I think the name was something like Quakedoom or Doomquake but I haven't been able to find it.

>>3767281
>>3767298
Too avoid any mistakes like this, just use the "make door from selection" tool. It saves a lot of time.

>>3766867
Old school

>>3767328
>not retro
We even talk about Quake 4 here, so that isn't a problem.

holy FUCK

>>3766770
>>3766794
No wonder everyone pirated it.

>>3767328
Yeah, look for Shambler's Castle. It was a single-level Quake-themed TC for Doom 3.

>>3766794
to be fair, the american middle class was objectively wealthier in 1993 than nowadays.

project idea:

get a list of all the monsters / items in Episode 1, and make a new set of levels with the exact same items and enemies as your mapping constraint

thoughts?

>>3767390
Per-level, or can you redistribute them as long as you don't go over E1's limit?

>>3767390
would probably be more fun with doom 2s monsters. episode 1 is quite repetitive monster wise.

>>3767393
per-level

>>3767394
yeah good point, i just said E1 cos it's smaller scale

>>3767250
Jimmy's Jukebox does something like that.

>>3767390
Sounds like a great idea, I'd love to be on board if its a community effort

>>3767390
I don't think this would prove much, the levels aren't exactly memorable for the _number_ of enemies on them; but if you had the constraint that the monsters/items must be in the same place (x/y co-ords), but the sectors could be anything the mapper wanted, then that would get interesting.

Also, this is an interesting recent community project: only 20 monsters allowed per level: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=54247

I've been thinking... With the advent of ZScript, would it be possible to re-implement the mod that allows you to take only SOME of the ammo from ammo boxes and med kits to replenish yourself up to max? Old mod did that by splitting the box into several smaller ones on pickup, but what I have in mind - taking ammo from the box without altering it, maybe only affecting its appearance (box being open and some ammo taken)

>>3767470
Yep, you can do that without hacks now.

>>3767483
Sadly, I can not understand anything in ZScript. Decorate was nice and simple, easy to learn. In ZScript I literally can not understand what anything means, and reading wiki does not help.

>>3767486
Well, it's basically like C++ with DECORATE attached now, so all I can recommend is you git gud at programming.

Weird shit. Autoaim is off, there is nothing on the ledge, yet my chaingun is shooting there.

>>3767486
Go read up on C++/Java a little. You need to understand how functions return values to really get how ZScript works.

If it's any consolation, any functions you create in ZScript can be used in DECORATE as well.

>>3767549
>>3767491
Great!

Another question: Can we have a minimap mod now? Better yet, if it could render both overlay and normal textured (or not) automap onto the HUD.

>>3767553
Not until ZScript has proper sector iterators and drawing, which should be within the next 50 years.

>>3767553
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=50508
There's this ACS-based mod, but it's really resource-intensive.

There's also a Jaguar-styled one floating around, but that requires an engine rewrite. You know how Graf is about that kind of thing.

Any wads that have some good space skies I can browse through? My current one is pretty bad.

>>3767567
Actually, I've made a heavily improved version of that since. It supports scrolling, zooming, optional player chase, map icons and stuff.

>>>/wsg/1518674

About to pick the project up after the holidays again, but I think I'll ditch zandro 3.0 and rewrite most of the stuff in zscript (some of it already done for doomshockv2). Forum posts hint to zandro devs already having plans for zscript integration and catching up more with gzdoom, and it's not like all the 3d modelling stuff I'll have to learn for this won't take a shitload of time.

If anyone actually wants the improved map code I could sanitize it a bit and make it public.

>>3767328
>>3767349

These newfags needs to learn that the rules of /vr/ doesn't apply to doom general

only /v/ trolls keeps pushing that

>>3767580
>the rules of /vr/
That discussing modern things is all right if done sparingly and is on-topic to the current discussion?

You go to any other retro general and it's the same thing, lel.

>>3767498
this is one of the bugs with zdoom which also involves bouncing code too, projectiles in doom engine are kinda simple and only designed to do a certain thing - start playing around with them and teaching them new tricks and they behave funny

thats why Fastprojectile was invented for Hexen because making it go fast was shooting through walls, but even then fastprojectile is also still just a simple hack on normal projectiles.

Try putting a Quake style Grenade Launcher in Zdoom and it doesnt act like a Q1 GL even if you have emulated the capabilities and behavior well (as an example).

(for example even if you have the number of allowed bounces set high and it doesnt explode on contact with someone, it can Still explode instantly on an actor if you land it on top of them - it doesnt always do this but it does it pretty often)

>>3767603
This is not a fast projectile though, just a hitscan, that makes a tracer from player to a bulletpuff after it happens, so it has nothing to do with projectile code, as bulletpuffs appear right where the traces go (or rather the other way around, but you get my point).

Plutonia, plutonia never changes

I nearly died to a trap last level where the wall opened up behind me and there was about 10 chaingunners, that's fucked up

>>3767603
> but even then fastprojectile is also still just a simple hack on normal projectiles.
I thought it was the other way around, that they're a complete rewrite. For example, normal projectiles calculate XY collision before Z collision, so they handle slopes very poorly. FastProjectiles have no such issues.

For anything that doesn't bounce I don't know of a single reason to use normal projectiles.

Gettin real sick of your shit, Plutonia

>>3767627
the military base is pretty chill compared to the others u skipped the secret lvls didn't you?

>>3767635
I didn't even know there were secret levels. I am really really bad at finding secrets.

But I see you, you boney fuck

>>3767631

Ive got arachnotrons shooting fastprojectiles (blaster bolts) and I notice on a large number of occasions I will see the shot slide across the floor a short distance and because of the trail behind it the thing looks like a bent straw.

>>3767634
>>3767636

Stop your bellyaching about Plutonia and get Plutonia 2 (its a megawad themed as the sequel to plutonia).

The visuals are even better, and the difficulty is higher yet organic at the same time.

For an achievement worthy challenge warp straight to Map 11

>>3767639
Yeah the trails are a little stupid, but writing a custom several-actors-a-tic trail spawning function shouldn't be too hard if you know basic trig.

>>3767647
I'm just providing commentary while I play through. Very rarely has this mapset been actual bullshit. The traps I've been through are some of the cruelest though, it's honestly amazing.

>>3767656
>I'm just providing commentary while I play through.
there's an alternative, more efficient way to do that

Gee I wonder who could be behind this pillar.

>>3767658
I don't stream or LP. That's gay.

>>3767658
>there's an alternative, more efficient way to do that
fuck me, I've always thought I could post whatever I wanted on this thread as long as it was doom related, and that facetious jokes about a wad were common.

sorry, officer.

Well at least they had their backs to me.

>>3767664
goodness, you're a defensive cock

i was just saying that there is an alternative, not to stop right now

I hear teleporting and skeletons, very rarely is that ever a good sign

>>3767670
That wasn't me

>>3767668
this map is actually kinda weird how its laid out and there's some secrets in it that I just wasnt able to figure out how to get into.

I do love the layout for this map, but plutonia has this nasty habit of having Doors that you Cannot Open and only get opened by a switch somewhere.

Feels damn frustrating to go up to a door, click use and it doesnt budge.

>>3767670
I think you misread the tone of my post completely. it's clear as day you're angry over nothing.

OH FUCK THERE'S LIKE SIX OF THEM

You taunt me. Fatface.

Hey anybody know how to do FONTS for doom?

Pic only slightly related.

Do they have to be monospace or a specific vertical height?

>>3767678
oh you baby, bruisers are some of the easiest monsters in the game, if they fired a variety of shit like the Liches in heretic, or possibly regenerated while you left them alone then they would be more of a challenge.

Just leave them alone and herd them towards the skeletons and then get them to shoot each other.

Its very satisfying watching a baron die from skeletons.

Eyyyyy so that's what they were guarding. Good shit

>>3767664

>>3767689
saving it, thank you.

>>3767689
awwww

> mfw trump will make anime real

HOLY CRAP THE HORDE APPROACHES

>>3767658
why do you care

Okay I saw two archviles up here earlier and now I seem to have lost them.

[worry]

OOP FOUND ONE

In hindsight I should have used a different weapon.

>>3767703
because if he's posting like he's been doing for the past thread (two threads?), then it means he's having fun and enjoys people seeing his reactions

so i was thinking if he enjoys it that much, maybe streaming would be an option he's interested in, which he's not so okay then

there's not enough doom streams out there, frankly, especially non-brutal ones

>>3767664
Geeze dude, calm the fuck down.

>>3767714
what about that makes you think I'm angry? I'm sorry if it read that way, I didn't mean to come off as it.

>>3767684
bumping with more fonts until people answer my question

>>3767713
I'm on the other end of the spectrum, actually.

I really like watching mapping streams, and there's a weekly coding session that I like watching, but those are very much a rarity.

Gameplay streams are pretty common, creative streams are fun and need to be done more.

>>3767716
>>3767684

http://zdoom.org/wiki/FONTDEFS

It's more straightforward than it looks, trust me.

>>3767715
people here can get pretty fuckin' touchy sometimes.

>>3767698
what mod is this?

>>3767720
Final Doomer, it's pretty good and it's driven me to give Plutonia a proper runthrough with it.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=973066#p973066

>>3767716
check out marrubs tutorial on the zdoom forums.

I suggest a monospace font, especially bitmap format ones if you want nice letters at low pt size. I use a font called "Dina" in 6pt for basically everything since it's so compact and readable.

Anyone got a list of doomrla assemblies?
Oh, and are there any good wads to go along with doomrla?

>>3767815
>Anyone got a list of doomrla assemblies?
there. and there for a few exotic effects: http://pastebin.com/HQKJxQfA

>Oh, and are there any good wads to go along with doomrla?
Glaice's modded oblige ( still 6.20 last i checked )

>>3767815
>Anyone got a list of doomrla assemblies?

"bind H summon computerareamap"

>>3767660
It's not me, anon.

HE LTIMATE OOM
ever orget

>>3767850
if that fucking thing can raise it's own species i will punch you in the dick

>>3767853
IT CAN NOW.

>>3767853
also
>implying that this final boss is the worst of your problems
you're forgetting the lying etpack haingunners and the kybox haingunners, aren't you?

>>3767872
>>3767869

I'm ordering uckle usters

>>3767879
you mean ist unchers

Help me lads
There's a level pack that got released in 2016 and I can't remember its name.
I think it was released by an established mapper and was 6 levels long. I'm not sure if it got mentioned in the most recent Cacowards or not but I'm not sure. I realize this is a retarded description but if anybody has any idea what I'm talking about I'd appreciate a suggestion.

>>3767924
no way i can help you doc.

In other news: IT BEGINS... ...as soon as i can figure out why the chaingunner isn't skulling about.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6z6nj9jbval959r/Oom.pk3?dl=0

>>3767934
oop, nevermind. here we go.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p6c3c2qo2owiu2i/Oomprealphav01.pk3?dl=0

>>3767924
>I think it was released by an established mapper and was 6 levels long.

That's pretty vague, dude.
Anything else you can remember about it? The style of the levels? How it looked?

>>3767946
It looked quite brown and Doom 2-ish if that makes sense, but with quite intricate level desgin.
The first level had a body of water and some buildings in a courtyard.

>>3767945
fuck me...

here we go again, last time

they fly now. https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjmelow4vze5ve3/Oomprealphav01.pk3?dl=0

Oom general when?

>>3767963
I prefer Doo general

>>3767963
last thread >>3763058

and discussion of Oom gameplay started here: >>3764634

kingnoger/rising fenix ("""""creator""""" of "doom-multi-core--redone-source-port engine") is on drugs again.

Seriously, I can't think of a more weird dude in the whole community.

Does anyone have a link to download that dumb Moonman wad?

>>3767972
Can I submit monster and weapon code for OOM? I have some fun ideas

>>3767981
Everyone can modify and add to it. It's intended to be /vr/'s Joke-Megawad series.

I just slapped together the chaingunner to get us started with rolling the ball.

>>3767040
>All the text is replaced with Tim Allen

>>3767983
i have a habit of making stupid shit so i'm game

>>3767983
If you're wondering about the source for the idea of the "speedy gonzales" demons, it's the "YOU'RE NOT A MEDKIT!" image. I used to have it saved but can't find it now.

>>3768001

>>3768004
Thank you.

I've got it.

Zombiemen jump in the air and try to 360 noscope you with a pistol

>>3768025
Chaingunners do the same except they always hit you event from the other side of the map.

>>3768028
I think satan is beyond calming down at this point, considering they're in the skybox too and have goddamn jetpacks.

The pistol doesn't shoot at all.
You just throw it at the fucking guy

>>3768004
reminds me of this pic in terms of how hard I just lel'd

>mildly relevant as doomguy uses a shotgun

>>3768060
That pic is too small for the information it's attempting to convey.

>>3768060
GET THIS IN OOM NOW.

>>3768075
tl;dr:
OP stuck a shotfun up his ass.

>come back after a day
>OOM has an alpha pk3

>>3768092
I'm honestly not a coder; so I can't exactly do major work on it, but as the igniter of the spark, I can post this: https://my.mixtape.moe/sjfuyw.flv

>>3767947
you probably mean https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/d-f/endpoint

>>3768075
>>3768081

yeah I know I mean it could be like 10000 pixels but I believe for the topic it refers to we all get the drift with just the 2599 pix that is available for it.

> its not even 4K
> we need to see the ass blasting in ultra high def

so tell me... have you ever... felt the Need for Bead?

>mfw the SSG has what appears to be a front bead sight, while it is questionable whether the normal shotgun does

>>3768092
I cant believe this shit
its like cancer
this is what 4chan is doing to DOOM

>>3768127
It's not the total pixel count you fucking feeble minded jackass. It's the fact that all the text is halved in size, making it annoying to read. half of it is just white dead space anyway.

Eat shit.

>>3768130

> mfw I take screencaps of the Zdoom Wiki for DECORATE reference then I resize them to 65% and apply a sharpen filter just so I have the information

> mfw I write tiny in real life, having had it described by others as "like a computer font" and its about 6 point size even on paper

sorry, im diamonds on this

I guess when you bitmap long enough you dont have probs making out small things

> having a 1024x600 resolution kinda helps too, learn to use the ZOOM tool on your windows photo viewer, after you've downloaded the image

> because "omg I cant read it, this is so funny, ive got to see more of the image"

im seriously not responsible for this

so we can talk about Oom right?

Here's my shitty map for JoyOfMapping3.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2346064wulwf4t/jom3.wad?dl=0

Being a first speedmap (and having to overhaul the whole damned thing as a result of the lavafloor) i'd say it's pretty bad?

everyone else's maps were probably much better

>>3768148
oh right the textures.

well maybe when the thing is launched.

>>3768151

3768148 (Dead)
> this shit is like cancer

cancer averted

>>3768153
>this shit is like cancer
That makes sense, seeing as it's S'arias trying to spearhead this shit

>>3768154
>>3768153
>>3768151
>trying to start drama
maybe if you didn't fall for a poor-quality macro

>>3767040
I liked the sequel more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMJZC8hf6Yg

>>3768162
I'm referring to the oom thing.

>>3768167
Why are you having an prolapse about this?

>>3768130
cease your sperging

>>3768170
I'm not, it's just a simple observation and I'm just pointing this out cus it's gonna inevitably spiral out of control

>>3768139
>it actually says autism pistol on it

>>3768004
>>3767850

cacodemons which are literally in the walls and shoot fireballs at you from them

>>3768173
That's the POINT anon.

>>3768178
spiralling out of control whenever someone else mentions something vaguely negative about something you're involved with does seem to be a common trend, yes

report drama posts on sight

>>3768139
Does that function?
>>3768172
Mind your own business

>>3768184
What are you even talking about?

>>3768107
Oh shit I think that's it. Thanks dude!

>>3768060
>>3768075
Here's a readable version.

>>3768130
the fuck is your problem?

>>3768197
I think he's got a remshit up his ass

>>3768195
Oh /k/, how gay you are.

>>3768198
Yeah, he should pick a nice shotgun, like a Mossberg 590A1.

Ok, what's this OOM thing I've been hearing about as of late?

>>3768204
Previous thread was "OOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD".
Everyone proceeded to laugh at OP.

>>3768204
Basically, the last OP fucked up and forgot the D in DOOM.

Everyone collectively lost their sides.

And then someone decides "well what if chaingunners had jetpacks?"

It was then spitballed from there in last thread.
>>3763058

I'm guessing some people are getting fucking mad over a typo turning into a great joke?

>>3768204
a typo very quickly being turned into a forced meme

Finally got around to playing Thy Flesh Consumed. Pretty good, the first two levels were tough and felt very different than Doom I.

Overall pretty cool, going to play Plutonia next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kDpwmU-GWQ

Looks like that Raccoon person is actually doing something now rather than just typing up a list of ideas for other people to do.

>>3768259
wow, and it only took two threads

Anyone play the defrag mod for quake 3?

>>3768204
shitposting

>>3768206
>>3768213

>>3768289
>>3768254

See? He's still assmad.


HEY ANON, IF Oom is SHITPOSTING, why don't you post a WEBM of you completing The Zealous Machine on UV?

>>3768354
What does that even have to do with anything?

>>3768359
You'll impress me and have the muscle prove your point.

>>3768361
Why do I want to impress you?

>>3768371
I issued you a challenge. I'm undertaking it myself.

If you're too much of a pussy, you can always decline and embarrass yourself.

>>3768373
friend, you're the one embarrassing yourself

>>3768373

You're a dumbass.

>>3768259

Oh boy, first-person platforming. Everyone's favorite thing about the Prime games.

>>3768259
Why is this allowed?

>>3768390
>>3768392
Prime's platforming is fine (and the game's about three dimensional exploration for fucks sake).
Doom's is not.

>>3768259
The door looks like it was straight from a MS-DOS game

>>3768394
So you proved our point...

>>3768397

Not him, but your post came off as if the platforming in Prime was poorly done.

>>3768407
I'm not >>3768390

I'm agreeing with >>3768394 on doom's platforming.

Unless you're playing fucking JUMPMAZE of all things; but when does half of that shit become useful?

And even then
>playing jumpmaze

>>3768409

>I'm not >>3768390

Oh, my apologies then.

>>3768414
It's alright anon. It's hard to tell on an anonymous imageboard.

>>3768396
>A texture in a mod requiring an enhanced source port of a DOS game resembles the graphical style of a DOS game

>>3768431

What did >>3768396 mean by this?

Pick me a wad so I can die for your amusement

>>3768436

licenses.zip seems like a lot of fun

>>3768436
jpcp

>>3768440
oh. that's just insaneweps. don't think i've used it yet.

>>3768441
jpcp it is.

should i still use the weapwad?

>>3768443
nevermind, it's apparently a skulltag wad.

>>3768443
load up vrskins with it and use the purgatori skin please

https://my.mixtape.moe/qyckok.flv

And there's map01.

>>3768448
forwhatpurpose

Map02
https://my.mixtape.moe/wzhjrq.flv

>>3768461
no real reason, I just like the skin and wanted do see if you'd do it

>>3768491
i'll go dig up vrskins and continue tomorrow then.

>>3768473
Going shotgun heavy there, I'd have used the chaingun on the pain elemental and revanent myself.

>>3768497
I'm fond of shotguns, but not like the tiles fetish guy.

>>3768473
>>3768461
>freelook
also you should turn up the bitrate a little it artifacts when you move a lot

>>3768503
Freelook is olev.

Okay so when I last left off I had gotten outplayed by a martian and took a break, I've come back and was a little more liberal in my BFG usage and have succeeded in nuking the bastards.

Let's see where this leads us next

I'm really glad I had cleared these sewers earlier, I was wondering where all the monster and teleporter sounds were coming from

>>3768254
you don't know a forced meme is.

because there is no such thing.

>>3768524
you don't know what a forced meme is.

because there is.

okay I hear a LOT of teleporting

>>3768526
ou on't now hat a orced eme s.

ecause t oesn't xist.

>>3768527
>>3768521
>>3768517
Plutonia guy really needs to look after his guns

>>3768526
well you seem to be capable of knowing whether a meme is forced or not in the first place

Crushers. I shoulda known. There goes half of my HP and a chunk out of my armor.

>>3768534
How much effort does it take to keep a gun in firing shape in those kinda conditions, you think?

holy shit this level is balls to the wall right away.

is that the map with a lot of pillars in a sea of lava with monsters, like, everywhere around you

[distant rattling]

>>3768554
Looks like it, I'm putting the pistol to good use seeing as it's one of the most accurate weapons in Plutonia-guy's arsenal

God damn it.

>>3768535
thank you, i practice

>>3768510
>>3768503
more recent fps have spoiled me for mouselook

Also, Oom is far from shitposting, it's probably some of the funniest shit we've come up with in a while.
Some just have poor humor
>not wanting disco-warrior archviles and atkinscubi
>not wanting brutal hdoom which would be infinitely better than sgt. jellytrain's broople boop
it's like you don't want jizz geisers

i dont like brootle loop or hdoom either way tho

>>3768259
>>3768390
First person platforming was okay in the Metroid Prime due to floatiness of the jump mechanics and good air conrol (which was also used a lot in combat). He'd need to customise jumping quite a bit if he wants for it to feel right (if he realises that at all).

Also is it me, or the walk speed is even slower than normal doom walk, coupled with insane viewbobbing?

>>3768656
he's got fucking always run off.
typical brootle pleb

>>3768651
>Brootal Hdoom.
>Violent demon pounding
>angry sex
Too bad nobody will ever make it.

Now here's an idea.
Since (G)ZDoom can use linedef portals properly (with objects flying through and all that) now, how about a circular map that has 720 grad in it instead of 360? To top it off make it several floors (~4 should be just right), and make them "rotate" by altering where the portals go? And after all that lock "portal overlay" opton and make anything beyond initial 360 grad to be invisible on the map, so player always sees it as if he's on the first circle of the tower. Add in some more portal mindfuckery.

>>3768664
im certain there was a couple wads with really fucked up geometry that would have the player going down a single staircase for fucking hours until he clued into the damned off-texture wall teleport . It was actually fun though and i dont remember the name.

Hard to understand what you mean though.

Prehaps it's for the best nobody makes it. Think of the Cumsplosions. On slaughter maps.

The map just becomes white.

>>3768673
There's this wad that utilizes silent teleport-to-line teleporters to create weird geometry (also features "infinite staircase"): https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/g-i/imposs

>>3768390
I'd actually argue Prime is the poster child of how to do first-person platforming right. Unlike games like Turok, it generally avoided the precision-based "obstacle course" platforming, and instead went for something more organic to the environment that didn't require any timing.

>>3768684
Yea, kinda like that, but imposs.wad uses old version of the teleports - are you see beyond the cutoff point is a template, so if you lure and kill a monster there, as you cross the point bodies, wall splats and all that disappears. Also if you fire rocket/plasma as you cross the point, it would disappear mid-flight (visually, for you - it will still explode - back in the template backdrop area)

New linedef portals allow for seamless transition of everything including monsters and projectiles. Kinda like Duke3D ones and a bit less efficient version of Linquica's portals. IDK if you can make them dynamic and actually recreate Portal-gun properly this time.

>>3768718
>Pic

This is nice. Are there some nice WADs that utilize teleports to good effect?

>>3768718
I think a Portal Gun would be too advanced for sector/linedef based level design.

>>3768734
It would work(if slightly choppy) if you could put a camera texture on a (flat) sprite or 3d model plane actor. You'd just have to warp a camera on each end point correctly.

Trying out Swift Death. Some maps seem to have really simple speed-exits ( ex. archvile jump in this one )

>>3768539
Honestly it would be a huge concern with the HMG, with fucking vines growing around the receiver you'd want to make sure it doesn't get in the way of the charging-handle or belt-feed, or for that matter lifting the top-cover, even more INSIDE the top-cover, you're just fucked if there's vines growing in the delinker, that'd take half a day to fix.

Speaking of that, it always bugs me a bit when people do a belt-fed sprite and the ammo just somehow holds together, there's no links or actual belt.
It would be a very trivial detail to do, just color a section of of the casing black and make a small vertical line between/on the side of each of them

is there any progress for OOM yet? Will there ever be?

>>3768982
I see it fires whole cartridges, which is 60% more bullet per bullet

>>3766684
What mod is this?

>>3768998
The casings ejecting are a separate graphic/actor ingame.

>>3769065
Final Doomer, the latest thing by Shivers and Yholl

I'm trying to learn how to better draw an in-wall screen, using photoshop to be more precise.

Do you think there's a combination of filters that would be ideal for adding depth, as if the monitor was inside and an inch or so back?

I've been using emboss with mixed results, but thought I'd ask here. Once I figure out depth, I want to add a glass layer.

Any photoshop or GIMP tips/tricks you gifted /doom/ers would recommend?

>>3769118
I typically use a 1-pixel Bevel layer effect with the Chisel Hard setting.

In addition, don't be afraid to frankenstein together textures from the IWADs.

>>3766668
D4T has been updated with bug fixes and balance tweaks: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=54750

GZDoom is getting Doom 64-style gradient sector colouring in UDMF (WIP): https://www.doomworld.com/vb/post/1711113

How do you reenable item pickup notice text in gzdoom? I seem to have accidentally pressed whatever button hides them

>>3769179
Minimum message importance perhaps?

>>3769179
you may have pressed F8

>>3769196
Thanks

>>3769118
You need several layers and multiple effects for it to look really good. For the screen inside, I suggest using soft inner glow and inner shadow with subtle opacity.

>I support ISIS

John Romero

>>3769238
>>3769118
just remember to stick with palette colors or you gonna have bad time

Combined Arms made me hate Doom.

>>3769239
Support? He fucking founded it.

>>3768684
that's the one

Got any STRANGE HACKS for aspiring mappers?

In english, though. Not techspeak.

>>3766813
comes from quake mission pack 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8AbZx-zJLs

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pecttduzpxl8ecl/Oomprealphav02.pk3?dl=0

oom prealpha 2

mancubus move retardedly fast. bizzarely, this also means some of them get stuck. most notable in map01 of plutonia

D4T deathmatch looks kinda fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUMN3oRLLsY

>>3769362
Someone make a server with this PRONTO! We should/need to start making a fuckton of DM servers with this on Doomseeker.

skins dont work with gzd on my end.

>map03 is above mixtape's filesize limit
well then fine we'll do it this way.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbhtqwhby2ua9l5/2017-01-30-1324-04.flv?dl=0 set to 4x for best effect

>http://eiionsoftware.byethost11.com/helldoom/index.html

Just look through the site. brace your sides

>>3769340
You can use ACS scripts to warp a skybox viewpoint inside a skybox room. If you multiply the warp distance relative to the player by 0.25 or even lower and then increase texture scale on everything in the skybox room, you can fake spectacularly huge structures outside the playable area - if you're really careful with how you draw your lines, you can even make the skybox mesh seamlessly with actual map architecture (could be useful if you're making some kind of huge space port map or streets between skyscrapers for example)

>>3769118
>>3769127

How would you improve this? should I find a different computer GUI?

I'm looking for medical themed ones.

Thank you!

>>3769443
Got a visual demonstration of this, both in-editor and in-map?

might be useful for Nanotrasen Station 666

>>3769440
>advert site
fuck off

>>3767390
I'm currently doing something like that.

I've ignored textures limits, but keeping everything else within E1 shareware constraints. The goal was to remake E1 with new levels but keep the "iconic" bits I remembered as a kid. Currently have 7/9 maps finished. Just waiting for my next holiday until I get back into it.

>>3769440
>>3769451
oh what. why the fuck did it redirect me to a shitty buisness adware looking site?

>>3769440
>blurrener

>>3769362
looks fucking terrible.

>>3769440
I like how he's trying to mimic the drdTeam site design.

>>3769467
here you go

>>3769362
Neat.

>>3769440

why does he have 32 bit binaries if the whole point of his imagined source port is that its multithreaded

>>3767352
What wad is this? Looks great.

>>3769483
saturnine chapel

>>3769440

I still find appalling the fact that the actual "program" that is supposed to do all of that shit is legitimately, and I mean legitimately, just a text file with absolutely fucking nothing that resembles a functional program.

The most unfortunate thing of all of this is that, based on past behavior, this isn't a troll. There's not a single trace of somebody pulling strings on the back. He's genuinely serious about...whatever the hell that is.

More info:
https://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/87289-news-i-have-built-a-doom-source-engine-for-doom-to-run-in-mutli-core-technology/

Doom is a piece of shit.

>>3769508
Why would your mom be named Doom?

would you say doom is a perfect game from a mechanical standpoint?

Anyone know of any non-OP weapon mods that fit the feel and atmosphere of Doom?
Not looking for anything special, just something that adds stuff like SMGs, rifles, semis, etc. for extra variety, not necessarily gameplay changing.

>>3769528
I'd say it's a perfect game period.

>>3769528
shooting both hitscans and projectiles at anything at a significant z axis angle is painful, so no

>>3769528
I'd say the core gameplay is fundamentally very sound and solid, it's strength is in simplicity and adaptability, there's various methods and tactics you can use and they can all work if you're good.

You can stay always mobile at all times and graciously avoid enemy fire like a ballerina of destruction. You can also use cover, hide behind pillars and corners, intermittently popping in and out of cover to shoot, or running from pillar to pillar. (I like to mix these two tactics).
It's also perfectly viable for you to play with only your fists, assuming you're good enough, and many people like this kind of play as a challenge.

People talk of the level design a lot, and while there's quite a lot of good stuff in the first game (and even in the second game), the original levels have long since been thoroughly eclipsed by user made content, which brings me to one of the points which gives Doom so much staying power, it's not just a fundamentally fun game, it's one for which it is easy for people to make custom content, maps and adventures for.

>>3769542
>weaving between fireballs and pillars and shit in open spaces, geometry-hugging in cramped spaces
isn't this the intended gameplay?

>>3769542
>It's also perfectly viable for you to play with only your fists, assuming you're good enough
Not if you're on a hitscan-heavy level. The one real blemish on Doom's otherwise 100% skill based gameplay is hitscan enemies.

>>3769528

I would say there is no perfect game from any standpoint other than personal opinions.

>>3769528
nope, but no other fps has even come close to matching it.

>>3769504
He made a 45 minute rambling video about it all as well. His voice is weirdly normal (relatively speaking) but the guy must have some severe mental issues. As an armchair psychologist I think OCD with intrusive thoughts and periods of psychosis might be it

>>3769550
The hitscan enemies add a lot to gameplay in terms of enemy balance and prioritization.

>>3769528
Doom sucks it's just a worse Quake.

>>3769558
They also are a purely luck-based damage source with near-infinite range. The only reason they were hitscan is because Carmack couldn't figure out how to make a projectile small and fast enough that didn't also melt processors that were common back then.

>>3769547
It is, but the fact of the matter is that using cover can give you excellent mileage.

It even has precedent in 2, with how you MUST use cover to break an Arch-Vile's line of sight, or he will KILL you.

>>3769550
Well Tyson is obviously not suited for every map, but it can be done for pretty much all the stock id levels.

>>3769558
True, chaingunners are like a ticking timebomb in terms of starting infighting, that's something that's very valuable for the player.

>>3769568
>It even has precedent in 2, with how you MUST use cover to break an Arch-Vile's line of sight, or he will KILL you.
i choose to hide behind buckshot

>>3768172
and Deist the Poling

>>3769563
>The only reason they were hitscan is because Carmack couldn't figure out how to make a projectile small and fast enough that didn't also melt processors that were common back then.
i, too, love to pull things out of my ass

>>3769528
I used to be all over it, but the lack of interest in modding and good maps to play has been slowly fading away for me. I just don't feel half as ecstasic about the prospect of playing doom until I die as I once was.

I pretty much only keep myself to editing sprites and touching upon code every so often, I just don't feel that ting anymore.

I know I'm gonna get fucking impaled for this, but I'm more turned on by the fact that snapmap is getting up on trails again and the whole model ripping deal the guys at facepunch do for doom 2016 and TCs/maps for Doom 3 than I do care about playing doom in this day and age.

the original doom is still awesome as fuck and I'll love it forever, though.

/blog

>>3769596
>he doesn't realize that hitscan is just an abstraction for fast projectiles that is near-always used because computing the movement of an exceedingly small and fast projectile is extremely processor heavy
>He doesn't know that Doom already melted 386s when it came out

>>3769614
i, too, love to pull things out of my ass

>>3769620
Ok yeah you're just stupid, have fun drooling or listening to the radio or whatever it is you people do all day.

>>3769602
No one expects you to want to play/mod for doom without interruption forever, but I think it's a game you'll want to go back to periodically throughout the rest of your life more than any other game.

>>3769620

>>He doesn't know that Doom already melted 386s when it came out

Excuse me? I never heard of DOOM having problems with 386s, and the old system requirements for it had 386s.

>>3769635

quoted wrong post fuck >>3769614

>>3769635
It required a 386 at minimum, but you weren't going to have much fun if you didn't have a 486. Doom 2 upped the requirements, probably due to the bigger, more populated maps and new enemies with more complex behaviors.

>>3769635

In 1993 I had a 286 and wanted to run doom so bad we got the game anyway (shareware version) and found out it wouldnt run.

We kept it around, and when we got the 386 guess what one of the first things was we put on it?

Recommended specs at the time I think were 486 at 100mhz with 8 Mb of Ram

Ours I think was a 386 x 33mhz and we had 4Mb of ram. And I think we had to use a boot disk to get it to run properly.

I tell you we was getting like 5-10fps and I engaged the low resolution mode sometimes just to make it more playable (width wise pixel doubling). After awhile I didnt mind and sometimes I used it later on out of nostaliga.

My family was always dirt poor, living in flyover state, so we was always 1 step behind the market.

>>3769651
>>3769652

Hmm. I apologize for my ignorance then.

>>3769570
Oh I don't hesitate to shoot on sight, but sometimes he doesn't flinch and his attack isn't interrupted, so there you are pumping your action or inserting new shells while he finishes his devil magic, diving behind a pillar or crate in this instant can be life-saving.

>>3769656
After we got the 586 we were really cooking with gas, it was 100mhz but because of the architecture it was slightly better than a 486.

Yet not quite as good as a Pentium, but pentiums were outrageously expensive at the time. I knew some guy who got a 166mhz pentium after I was discussing playing warcraft 2 and duke nukem 3d - but he lived out on the farm on the edge of town so there's no telling how much money they had.

We had the 586 for a long time, like 4 years, dad got a really good deal on it somehow or was willing to dump it on the credit card, I dunno which (I think altogether it came out to $1600).

Dad was electronics technician so he just built it from parts.

We also had I think a 420 MB seagate drive which I thought was rather massive, and then later he got a Tape Backup drive (80Mb tapes) and we had plenty of space to store my (at the time pirated) games and some other stuff.

When I got in college in 2000 I forked some of my college money over to get a 900Mhz T-Bird2 with a 4MB video card and 64MB ram.

Only problem is it had Windows ME on it pre-installed and because of the fucked up drivers and IRQ mismatches it would only play CD Audio no other sound (or perhaps it played Sound Effects and CD Audio but it did not play In-Game Music).

> it was a fucked up arrangement but somehow I made the best of it.

This was also about the time I started getting into Nintendo Emulation, snagged Quake 2, and remember playing Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 several times with no In-Game Music.

Also Doom was still a big thing for me because the EDGE source port came out (the first iteration of it) and it blew Zdoom out of the water when it came to making mods. Because of the DDF files.

> also pic related this reminds me of seeing event on TV as it was happening and I was 19 at the time
> and remember very clearly seeing building 7 go down and it looked identical to a standard building demolition, just without glass blowing out the sides.

>>3769614
Fuck off Sgt. Mark. They were always intended to be hitscans.

The melee was originally a short-ranged hitscan- but then again this is a fucking hitscan and those can't be short-ranged on the mere basis.

>>3769690
>he thinks there can't be range set on hitscan
You really are retarded.

>>3769690
correct

in fact I dont think anybody had the idea to start turning bullets into fast moving projectiles until Hexen and Duke 3d came otu
> hexen - the magewand, and that weapon alone
> duke3d - the pistol lasers the flying aliens and I think the turrets shoot

If anybody else incorporated fast projectiles as bullets later in other games it was a concealed fact or it was a fluke here and there.

I guess the Flak Projectiles from the UT flak cannon count as fast projectiles, that shit was hard to dodge even at a distance.

> mfw UT also used fast projectiles for the tracers the minigun fired, but it mostly did its damage with hitscans


>>3769690
>>3769704
and this too is also correct, short range hitscans were a thing but I think doom engine was the only thing actually limiting hitscan range in the first place...

other games might have used hitscans for melee but they'd probably just deny the hit if the target was farther than melee range indicated (rather than end tracing after a certain distance)

>>3769690
why wouldnt hitscan be limited by range? iirc hitscan goes from origin of player actor towards center of screen with parameters added for innacuracy and so on.
all Valve games before L4D2 were using simple limited range hitscan for melee
L4D2 made it so you get multiple hitscans following swing of the weapon

>>3769563
>The only reason they were hitscan is because Carmack couldn't figure out how to make a projectile small and fast enough that didn't also melt processors that were common back then
There was never explicitly a need for this called during the development of Doom, that was simply the best way to do a bullet attack because they would be instant in their travel for the purposes of this game, and even exhibited the same behavior in Wolfenstein 3D.

At no point did anyone stop to say "Hey, shouldn't these bullets be separate projectile Things that moves really super fast and does the exact same thing at the waste of processing speed and reliability?"

Currently playing through Blake Stone: AoG, I only had the shareware version growing up. It's sort of a trip going back and knocking out the first episode; can't wait to see what I was missing out on. I plan on doing the same with Kens Labyrinth and Nightmare 3D after Blake and his sequal.

Anyone else late to the full version party with other shareware FPS games?

>>3769721

Yeah I havent gotten to play Blood yet. Also not sure I could get it working if I snagged it because duke3d runs pretty slow for me in dosbox and since its based on the same engine I expect it will run painfully slow that way.

I dont know of any source ports made for Duke3D or Blood that would let me run it natively.

Ive seen and heard alot of good things about Blood but ive played Rise/Triad enough that im no stranger to extreme gore action.

>>3769529
BURL TUMD, maybe.

Maybe it's not at all what you had in mind but I barely fuck with weapon mods and it's the first thing I could think of.

>>3769716
the Spy's knife in TF2 uses hitscan to detect a backstab, as far as I am aware

just as an example of short-range hitscan, I mean

>>3769529
speaking of which I wonder what folks think of these weapon arrangements im thinking of putting in mine:

* Pistol = Magnum Pistol
* Shotgun = Double Barrel (150 not 200 damage)
* SSG = gives you a Q3 BFG10K with only 25 shots of internal battery.
* Chain = Magnum Chaingun
* Rocket = Devastator Rockets
* Plasma Gun = Anti Tank Missile (about 500 damage, one missile per cell pickup)
* BFG = Q3 BFG10K item with 100 shots of internal battery.

(BFG10K in this case wont have pickup ammo, you only get it from picking up the weapon item itself)

Alternatively im considering getting rid of the Anti-Tank Missile and having it as a more traditional kind of BFG except with a ripper projectile (so its a little less effective but still does the spray).

> the bfg10k will actually just be the plasma rifle but it shoots a stronger projectile with splash damage


>>3769741
Not that id know because Team Fortress has always been a multiplayer only game and ive never been able to reliably play multiplayer due to poor access to internet connections over the last 20 years.

>>3769717
Hitscan melee in modern games is bullshit. Should be like in Thief/SS2 where your melee weapon actually connects with hitboxes or level geometry.

>>3769748
Melee was shit in older games too, very few have done it properly throughout history.

> mfw Melee still isnt fixed in OpenXcom and people have to resort to making projectile weapons with 1 tile range in order to get stuff that will damage scenery.

> an oversight which means that regardless of melee accuracy its going to be a fluke if you ever miss, and you can also melee somebody in the tile Above you which shouldnt be possible except with a long reach melee weapon

>>3769736
>>3769746
>BURL TUMD
Looks cool, I've been meaning to check that out, it includes enemies though.

Anyone else got any recommendations?

Except that's wrong. Hitscans are -exactly- like the BFG tracers.

The original pinky fired said "ranged hitscans" but this was impossible- as bullet puffs kept hitting walls and shit 30 miles behind the player.

Instead, what they do is something similar; checking to see if there's direct collision with the model/sprite, and boolean range checking

tl;dr: short range hitscan cannot exist.

>>3769757
For what it is worth, the "new enemies" are only new in the sense that they are new actors replacing the originals.

What I mean is, the enemies have new animations, abilities, and AI patterns, but Imps are still Imps and all that.

>>3769767
>short range hitscan cannot exist
Once again, you're fucking stupid. The implementation of hitscan in the original Doom engine may have had that problem, but hitscan in general is a technique that ABSOLUTELY can have a range put onto it. Even ZDoom's implementation can have range on it.

>>3769626
>>3769602
>>3769529

Bruh, I have never touched a map editor for doom. Ive made maps in rts games and tried making one in build engine for duke3d, they're generally lackluster and I dont really care.

I love what other people do with maps but it just doesnt jump the circuits in my brain, same with programming.

I really do love making Weapons and Enemies mods though, thats been my focus from the start ever since I got DeHacked and sprite editors for doom in ~95.

> mfw other people instantly think of making maps when they think of modding

> mfw I instantly think of making monsters spew different kinds of fireballs and making revenant cannons the player can use, or putting the staff weapon from stargate in the game

> someone needs to make this fucker and put it in doom

>>3769775
Alright, thanks for the info.

>>3769741
No, it doesn't. It uses a hitbox.

which is why it's so fucking buggy and possible to backstab somebody in the face, and such bizzare backstab angles when you SWEAR you should of gotten a backstab, but you just swing like a pissant.

>>3769781
Godspeed anon, there needs to be more people like you.

There really aren't enough weapon and enemy mods, it's always the same recycled shit from Realm667, that site is both a blessing and a curse.

>>3769781
we need ghosts&goblins ice and fire bears in zdoom, someone needs to make this

> good mancubus replacement, can make it spray projectiles around, can make the ice one even sprout shards like the ironlich

>>3769753
>Melee was shit in older games too, very few have done it properly throughout history.
Yeah but older games at least had an excuse.

Since it's no trouble at all checking for actual collision with current processing power, I don't get why a developer wouldn't want to have satisfying and realistic melee. There are only pros and no cons damn it.

>>3769781
My post didn't mention mapping. I much prefer coding monsters, weapons, special effects etc. over mapping myself as well.

Post some weapon or monster stuff you've made anon.

>>3768656

>First person platforming was okay in the Metroid Prime due to floatiness of the jump mechanics and good air conrol (which was also used a lot in combat). He'd need to customise jumping quite a bit if he wants for it to feel right (if he realises that at all.

Don't forget about friction. In Doom, you continue moving in a direction for a while after you let off the movement controls. in Prime, you come to a dead stop as soon as you let off the analog stick.

Anybody who played Void will know how much of a bastard Doom's friction is when platforming.

>>3769789
I was probably going to pull Behemoth out at some point and re-sprite over the sonofabitch.

>>3769789
actually I thought there was, like epic tier weapons and enemy mods, ive seen so much shit coming out of the zdoom forums over the last year its crazy

> I cant even play brutal doom because I cant use GZdoom

and most of them have miles of code too

Im a little more simple and practical with mine and since I DONT do map editing it means ive only got 7 Map Item Slots to play with for dropping in weapons

> though I could also use enemies with randomspawner and have the enemies drop the weapons, but its still tough putting things IN the maps.

Also as for what someone said about an infinite shot pistol to replace the fist... I came up with a solution to that.

> A single shot Nailgun that loses nogravity after traveling a short distance so it has limited range.
> Most ammo item pickups also refresh your ammo count for the nailgun.

It goes with a short fan-fic I wrote for Quake that the nailgun is actually construction tool used to quickly erect defensive structures, but the defense contractor that made them was commissioned to also make sure they were viable defense weapons in a pinch.

So they get an armor piercing stud with sharp fins attached to a .357 magnum case so it can hold wood and plastic together well, but also causes deadly arrow-like impaling wounds.

And the heavy security forces get the SNG so they can have a heavy machinegun that fires this insanely common ammunition for logistic purposes.

Alright. Let's do some commitment bullshit.

We have five possible entrants for the H2H, and only one will be submitted initially.

Respectively, these are:
"Anomalous Properties"
"dark ruins of the skullking"
"nevadean"
"Terrible Temple"
and lastly "Nanotrasen Station 6 6 6"

Why am I asking? Because I cannot commit to a map.

>>3769823
> A single shot Nailgun that loses nogravity after traveling a short distance so it has limited range.
A tip: you can make a projectile inherited from FastProjectile thrust itself downwards slightly for every tic in it's spawn state, simulating gravity. It works flawlessly.

>>3769858
that reminds me about fastprojectiles, usually if they have a trail I dont even use a graphic for the leading projectile (and only the trail is visible) because I cant seem to match up the height the trail is supposed to be spawned at

what will make the missile trail match up to the fastprojectile so it looks proper?

also is there any way to control the length of the trail behind it, eg making a true port of the laser shots from duke 3d which only displayed 4 trail sprites

I can't seem to get the game to load. I put the iwad files in the source and the game just loads a black screen, help?

>>3769863

Are you using GZDoom, by any chance?

>>3769865
I am

>>3769867

I've been having that problem too on and off with GZDoom. Sometimes it works fine, other times it's the black screen.

I haven't played DOOM in a while so I don't remember for sure, but I think putting it in windowed fixes it.

Can anyone code-savvy look into the issue with DAKKA? http://git.jinotra.in/ijon/dakka

When used with BloodStain, it removes custom IFREET monsters from the map the moment they come out of their idle state.

>>3769862
>what will make the missile trail match up to the fastprojectile so it looks proper?
"MissileHeight 8"

>also is there any way to control the length of the trail behind it, eg making a true port of the laser shots from duke 3d which only displayed 4 trail sprites
Nah, for that you have to spawn the trail with A_SpawnItemEx in the spawn state (or use A_SpawnParticle if you want a simple one).

Now to make a dense A_SpawnItemEx trail for a really fast FastProjectile it gets a bit tricky: you need to use some trig with the velocity vector to spawn several trail actors in a line every tic. I might make and post a function like that on the forums by the way.

>>3769882
Link "BloodStain" and specify your load order.

>>3769913
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/bstain

Absolutely amazing classic-no-gimmicks megawad with amazing acrhitecture and combat. Only level I disliked was 29, while non-linear and extremely well designed, it was too dark and confusing to my tastes.

>>3769863
GZDoom is anal about having to have up do date drivers. Might be that.

>>3769920
>>3769913
Load order does not matter, it does so in any case.

Check boss room in Map30 while under notarget - there should be a few Ifreets floating high above ground. With DAKKA they disappear the moment they spot you.

>>3769908
actually thats the default and it sucks, it makes the trail look like its above the projectile

im guessing MissileHeight 0 is what im looking for?

> A_SpawnItemEx
now see this is something that ought to just be built into the fastprojectile

yeah if you can provide a function that'd be great because I end up with enough problems as it is figuring out how to get normal puff spawns behind rockets to actually spawn *Behind* the rocket and not in front of it.

>>3769920
I'll give it a quick look, hold on a sec

>>3769940
>im guessing MissileHeight 0 is what im looking for?
No, missileheight 0 actually means "8 units below". Missileheight 8 counter-intuitively means 0. Do not ask me why..
>now see this is something that ought to just be built into the fastprojectile
The entire trail spawning code native to FastProjectile is a clusterfuck.

>>3769929
Okay, I can't even find this "ifreet" monster - where is the decorate for it?

>>3769963
BOOM megawad, anon.

It's in DEHACKED and replaces something.

Which game is the most popular one to play right now? Like DOOM or DII or what? I'm new to this.

>>3769968
What? You haven't mentioned this "boom megawad" and it wasn't included in either archive you linked.

Anyway, I know dick-all about dehacked - if I were you, I'd just comment out the the dakka decorate entry for whatever actor slot the "ifreet" occupies.

>>3769973
Doom ("The ultimate Doom" is the name of the final release) has much better maps that Doom 2, but almost all community made levels require you to run them with Doom 2 because it has a bunch of new monsters and a new gun.

>>3769974
Boom megawad is BloodStain

Ifreet is Thing25 in Dehacked - it replaces Commander Keen and snags some decorations to make use of their frames.

The issue is in Dakka's DECORATE, in which it does something to Commander Keen that conflicts with a Dehacked patch.