/vr/ - Retro Games

These articles are pure cancer. Most readers probably fall into either the "wow, what a bunch of losers" category or a "I don't give a shit about games, but them NeoGeo games sure seem like a good investment to add to my portfolio! Time to head to ebay."

>>3764004
NEO GEO AES autists are such wankers I mean at least sperg over the finer system such as the CP System II

It's funnier when you realize these cancerous loonies pay FORTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARIDOOS for fake carts like Aero Fighters 3. It is hysterical to think that these folks have blown annual salaries on fucking bootlegs made to separate those suckers from their cash.

>“I guess that’s what happens when a million subscribers of some retro YouTube channel run to eBay to buy that gem they just saw in a video.”

/vr/ in a nutshell

>>3764019
This, if we're talking about american carts, aren't most of them bootlegs? Someone post the story of that one guy who scammed everyone in the Neo Geo scene, it's hilarious.

>>3764034
Holy shit this sounds amazing, does anyone have the link?

Shit I think I found it.

THIRTY THOUSAND FOR AERO FIGHTERS

http://cardinalperception.com/mb/showthread.php/323-Fools-and-their-Money-The-Case-of-the-30-000-US-AeroFighters-3-Cartridge

They're referring to the Euro Kizuna encounter and ultimate 11 carts that were suppose to be recalled, but somehow like 10 of each survived. They may as well be prototypes at that point.

>>3764041

Truly the game market is an educated, natural, and reasonable one, and not one filled with scammers, lying hype men, and people all too willing to blow excessive amounts of money on shit that they don't really understand.

>>3764004
Ive already said this but.

This is wrong, this is SO. WRONG.

Anyone can emulate shit these days.

>i have dld the full 26gig mame romset
>i have bought the neogeo humble bundles
>my bro built an emu arcade bartop

I want to know how it feels to play in real hardware! I want to get a cool candycab and a good arcade game, like mvc2 or so! But now these homos are making this even more impossible with those price gouging schemes.

A copy of a game like mvs metalslug 2 shouldnt cost 1000 dls, a copy of an original naomi game shouldnt cost 2000peso, A low condition neogeo aes shouldnt cost 6000dls! Those games shouldnt cost that much!

And im willing to bet that these guys steal and destroy stuff like cabinets and such just so they can make more rare and more expensive items.

It is bad enough being mexican and seeing its arcade scene so buttfucked up the ass with all those poorly done emucabinets playing kof 24/7.

Hope those life ruining assholes understand that all that money is not gonna help them in hell.

>>3764194
>mvs metalslug 2 shouldnt cost 1000 dls

MVS MS2 isn't that expensive. Maybe AES is, but a legit MVS cart of it sold less than a week ago for around $68 on ebay.

>>3764197
mvs is starting to get expensive because of bandwaggoning on consolised mvs and superguns

>>3764251
People were doing that ten years ago.

>Mexican peso at all time low
>Go to mexico & buy up all their MVS carts with out big fat american dollar bills
>Bring them back across the boarder
>Profit

This wouldn't work would it?

>>3764274
Better try it before the wall gets built.

>>3764283

Looking around online, it seems like 1/2 of mexico's neo geo carts are bootlegs, so this probably wouldn't work at all. Shame there's no mexican version of eBay I could just order a few games from.

>>3764274
FUCK YOU!

>>3764197
i admit it, i was mostly being hypothetical, but, at this point, how can we be sure that wouldnt be the trend in a couple years?

that $68 pricetag tho, THAT is the kind of prices this kinda stuff should cost, there shouldnt be any reason for these to cost more. specially since they arent sold officially anymore.

>>3764285
Mercadolibre IS the official version of Ebay in mexico, but yeah, theres not that much arcade stuff there outside those crappy xbox multigame cabs, and what i think is a supergun integrated to a controller.

>>3764197
Why were AES versions being sold so expensively anyway? Do Neo-Geo cases and manuals are in that much demand? I mean, I like reading fighting game character bios as much as the next guy, but I'm not willing to fork a fortune to find out Terry Bogard's favorite food.

>>3764290

Did I hurt your feelings? I'm just stating facts here.

>>3764290
The prices for MVS games have been fairly consistent over the last decade. I don't see a game like Metal Slug 2 jumping from 68 bucks to a grand in just a few years.

>>3764298
>Why were AES versions being sold so expensively anyway?

Most AES were rental units for hotels. Most of them never made it to the general consumer.

>>3764298
Because AES in general is rarer than MVS.

>>3764306
i dont understand that, if the AES units werent made for home consumer use, then why they package that shit AS for home consumer use?

the boxes, manuals and shit, clearly scream 'buy this for your kids!'

>>3764004
I had no idea there was a home console. I only have Neo-Geo Pocket.

>>3764310

Because later on SNK went "oh shit, people might actually want to own these for their homes" & started selling them to people normally. Thing is they were still expensive as hell, so not many people bought them. we're talking over $300 per cart back in the 90s.

>>3764274
>go to Mexico
>buy up all the MVS carts
>get home
>Find out they're all worthless bootlegs

Most likely outcome.

AES is and will always be retardedly expensive.

A Slug 3 is something absurd like 20 grand.

Meanwhile, it's the highest its ever been on MVS at like 85 top end.


Buy the arcade carts. AES Collecting is for retards and rich bastards. They are identical games, and you can outfit your MVS board with a Unibios to play in AES mode anyways.

There's 1 perfectly accurate flashcart currently available and another one theoretically coming sooner than later. Dropping anything more than a couple hundred on anything Neo Geo is a fools game at this point.

>>3764315
>we're talking over $300 per cart back in the 90s.
Yeah for used games. Before the retards at gamestop called them "pre-owned" games. Someone allahuakbar them already.

> Early 90's
> Arcade scene is massive and SNK has the great idea to make a cabinet with multiple "cartridge" ports so arcade owners can save space and money by having one cabinet with multiple games.
> Decide to make a version that could be in hotel rooms called the AES. Exact same hardware and the cartridges were massive.
> People really fucking like the idea of the AES with exact 1-1 versions of the arcade games they love
> SNK is like, ok here's a console for all of our games to play at home. The console was over $600 and each game was at least $200.
> It became a big deal throughout the 90's as SNK games were really hard to port correctly. SNES and Genesis ports were sub-par, The Ps1 really sucked at 2-D, and The Sega Saturn could do the games well, but they required a ram cart to play and never made it out of Japan
> SNK releases the Neo Geo CD console in 1994 so they could sell the games for $50-60 each on the cheaper CD format. They forget that CDs have loading times and the system takes upwards of 20 seconds to a minute to load one round of a fighting game. It's discontinued in 1996.
> SNK is still selling the AES consoles and games at the same high ass prices, but by the very late 90's and early 2000's the Dreamcast, PS2, and Xbox could all easily handle SNK games.
> Emulation easily handles the NEO games as well by this point so you could play every game for free
> The people who spent thousands and thousands of dollars on this shit in the 90's realize that their stuff could lose its value
> Create the neo-geo communities and wax poetic about the value of having the original games on the original hardware. They even do some cool mods for the hardware to run it out with s-video or component, add unibios/debug menu abilities to the system, etc.
> Many games are reported as "low-runs" and the community begins to buy and sell games from each other for inflated prices.
(continued).

>>3764427
> The community begins to artificially inflate the value of everything Neo Geo
> They REEEEEEE at any ports or emulation, even though the emulation is 99.9% accurate
> They make it feel like an exclusive club to have a neo geo and "hard to find" games.
> While shit old games like 8Man are selling for less than $40, they are able to make games like Last Blade 1 and 2, and Fatal Fury Mark of The Wolves increase in value up to $700 and even more.
> This attracts the worst types of gamers who want to create the same bubble that existed with baseball cards and comic books in the 80's and 90's
> They make headlines when a copy of Kizuna Encounter (a terrible fighting game) sells for over $100,000
> It's all an inside job with a core group of Neo Geo "enthusiasts" who are gaming everyone outside of their inner circle by artificially raising the prices
> !HOLA ME AMIGOS - WE BOOTLEG NOW¡
> Bootlegs start to flood the market in an attempt to cash in
> These make the "originals" worth EVEN MORE and the inner circle of these Neo fuckheads become the go-to source to determine what games are real and what are counterfeit
> Now the entire market is just terrible.
> SNK tried to cash in with a shitty portable emulation system called the neo geo x that ran like shit and was disowned by the neo community
> Sad

>>3764416
Really, this practice started with cars. Gamestop just looked at car dealerships and thought "pre-owned" was a great term to use for games too.

>>3764304

I have seen at least one go up. I don't follow them too closely these days, but something like Capcom vs SNK seems to have appreciated. I got a full kit of it ~5-6 years ago, and while I don't recall what I paid, I can say for sure that it was nowhere near the over $300 that two cart onlies have sold for recently.

I still need to pick up a couple Metal Slug games (already have 1, X, and 3) and Garou: MotW... plus a few other KoFs. Haven't been into arcade collecting in a few years, but I'm thinking I might try to fill in some MVS and CPS2 holes before calling my collection complete (/blog over).

>>3764298

I have no idea, other than as collectibles. You can play the home version on an MVS using the corresponding MVS cart if you use a UniBIOS.

There is literally no reason to own an AES cart unless you just want it as a display piece, or if you find a different from final prototype on an AES board. The AES had no exclusives.

Was the AES really arcade accurate?

Really?

Big if true.

>>3764792
It's literally the same internal hardware. In fact, they even use the same PCB for AES and MVS cartridges, the game's code simply determines whether you're playing on the arcade or a home console. Playing the home version does limit your credits though (four per playthrough).

>>3764792

As far as I know, the ROM data in AES carts is exactly the same as the MVS carts. The BIOS on the motherboard dictates how the cart will boot (AES/MVS, country). The UniBIOS allows you to change this region at boot. If this was some sort of meme reply that I don't know about, I apologize.

>>3764004
Don't they know Capcom made the superior fighters?

>>3764792
it's not but neogeo shitters will defend it is in order to inflate their prices

>>3764762
What I meant was that even when AES cartridges were still being sold new, it was much cheaper to just get the MVS and convert them to a home console. Most people who collected Neo-Geo back in the day that I know of never bothered with the AES versions.

>>3764824

I didn't collect NeoGeo anything back in the day (I was born in '88, so I was too young), so I'll have to take your word for it. Maybe it was a bit more difficult to obtain MVS cartridges as a home user? Or maybe some people really cared that much about having a presentable box and cartridge art? These days, though, yeah, I cannot think of any reason to buy AES stuff unless it is 100% for collection purposes. If someone doesn't want to mess with an arcade cab or consolizing, they'd probably just buy an MVS converter.

>>3764814
have your mom read the wikipedia article to you, dumbfuck

>>3764319
>Meanwhile, it's the highest its ever been on MVS at like 85 top end.
I got legit MVS Metal Slug 3 and KOF 99 for 30 pesos last year. Too bad I don't have a MVS to play them.

>>3765005
HELLO ALIEXPRESS https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEO-GEO-SNK-MVS-Mother-Board-Main-Board-for-multi-cartridge-Neo-Geo-SNK-game-card/32724037466.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_10000032_119_10000025_10000029_430_10000028_10060_10062_10056_10055_10000062_10054_10059_10099_10000022_10000012_10103_10000015_10102_10096_10000018_10000019_10000056_10000059_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000053_10000007_10000050_10084_10118_10083_10000047_10080_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_10115_10000041_10000044_10078_10079_10000038_429_10073_10000035_10121,searchweb201603_10,afswitch_3,single_sort_1_price_asc&btsid=7fcd2149-d33e-4ad8-a467-93b0de5abac5

>>3765009
did the chinese start buying old cabs and tearing them down to resell parts on aliexpress?

>>3764304
not really. you used to be able to get windjammers for like $30. Then giant bombed meme'd it to death and now its $200+ on ebay.

>>3765043
That does suck, but Windjammers is probably the best game on the Neo-Geo honestly. At least for "family friendly" games. Puzzle Bobble and Magical Drop 2/3 are also up there.

If there's anything this topic taught me it's "fuck collecting AES carts". Are there any sites besides eBay that let me see pictures of MVS games so I know I'm not buying a bootleg?

>>3765548
yea metal slug 3, magical drop 3 and windjammers are my favorite on the system.

>>3765786

I love magical drop 3, but my friends all refuse to play puzzle games. I need new friends.

At least they like Metal Slug

>>3765790
thats a shame cause its really fucking fun. it really sucks playing the cpu in that game.

>>3764304
Worry not senpai, I'm looking into buying an MVS cab within the year. In other words, you can rest assured MVS prices are about to skyrocket, the likes of which no one has ever seen before.

>>3765823

Metal Slug 2 has so much slowdown they had to reprogram the game from scratch & Rebrand it as Metal Slug X. I don't see MS2 prices skyrocketing any time soon.

>>3765697
I use this site to check ngh numbers on my chips
http://www.neo-geo.com/snk/master_list-ngh.htm

and this site for actual scans.
http://www.mvs-scans.com/index.php/Main_Page

Works for me. I havent bought any bootlegs on accident using this. My fatal fury special and puzzle bobble are the only boots I have but I got puzzle bobble for $20 and fatal fury special for free. Every thing else is real.

>>3765790
I love Magical Drop, but playing it against top player on fightcade for the first time was fucking humilating (only played with CPU before). Like even more humilating than fighting games.

>>3765832
yea there usually isnt any one on fightcade to play magical drop 3 most of time. Plus, like you said when there is they are fucking insane at the game.

>>3765828

I was asking for sites that post pictures for that exact reason, which is why I've only ever bought on eBay.

>>3765832

It legitimately works your brain out. I swear I got smarter after playing high level magical drop 3 for awhile. Great title. But yeah, it's like Puyo pop where people who are good at it don't even pretend to hold back.

>>3764046
they weren't specifically referring to Euro KE in the 45K figure, as Euro KE is worth 2x that. the 45K was an unrelated sale (a sale of Euro KE was also mentioned).

>>3765859

There are what, 5 of those cartridges right? There's more sealed Stadium events carts than that.

>paying for 30-year old games

>>3764050
there was an elaborate cover story to explain the existence of an English AES version of the game, something which had been long suspected by the scene.

despite a known shady guy in the scene being involved in its "discovery", a "respected" member of the scene corroborated the story (or was part of the scam), which allowed it to succeed.

>>3764194
AES games should cost thousands, because of simple supply & demand. You have to remember AES carts weren't made to the tune of millions like SNES and Genesis, the production runs averaged low 5 digits in the best case. These were basically bespoke items created for a VERY small audience (AES consoles were over $1K when adjusted for inflation)

>>3764274
no, because the Mexicans already know the value of the games and most of their games are bootlegs anyways.

>>3764298
Because ROMs were expensive in the 90s and producing them in limited numbers made them even more expensive.

>>3764801
yes, the hardware and the code are literally identical, the only difference is that the MVS and AES have different edge connectors for cartridges.

>>3765036
yes and no. some of the top loading 1 slot boards are actually bootlegs.

i know way too much about this stuff, I should kill myself.

>>3765862
5-8 are known to exist, if I remember correctly

>>3764302
That wall cant be built fast enough

>>3764018
i like CPS but are there even third party devs for it

one thing i like about the neo geo is all the obscure devs making obscure gems for it

>>3765919

There aren't many CPSII games, period.

>>3765930
It's got way better shooters and beat em ups

>>3765826
Yea I've never even played MS2 because of the how bad people said the slowdown issues were. Metal Slug X is a really good game and one of the few PS1 ports that was actually really well done. Besides the censorship, it was a great port.

Anyone else hate the shit out of SNK for their censorship policies. Imagine buying Samurai Shodown 2 for $200 for your $600 system in america only to have it totally censored.

Even with their final game, Sam Showdown 5/0 special, they hard locked the fatalties because some school girl in japan stabbed a bunch of people. You had to hack the cart to get them.

Another reason why I'm so glad MAME emualates Neo so well and allows you to play in english language with no censorship.

>>3765931

I've no problem with CPSII, just pointing out that it doesn't have a whole lot of games.

I need to look to see if any of the beat-em-ups for it aren't too expensive. I picked up Tower of Doom several years ago, but that's the only one I have of that genre for the system.

>>3765873
> A plastic case, instruction booklet, and big cartridge of a 20 year old non-noteworthy game for one of the easiest emulated systems of all time should be $1000 Dollarydoos

>>3765941
Powered Gear/Armored Warriors check that one out

>>3765873
>some of the top loading 1 slot boards are actually bootlegs.
But are they decent/proper bootlegs, or just trash?

>>3764004
This what happens you're too dumb or lazy to figure out emulation.

>>3765946
YEAH! I KNOW RIGHT!?

>>3765873
yeah, no. just, no...

they are old, theres NO reason for them to cost that much! everyone should have the right to have access to those things outside emulation, the only thing those ridiculous prices is good for is to stuff up the wallets of greedy elitist bastards that believe legit arcade gaming should be left to faggots like them.

>everyone should have the right to have access to those

Not sure if serious.

>>3766127
>everyone should have the right to have access to those

Not sure if serious.

>>3765836
oh sorry i misunderstood what you meant the first time.

>>3766568
Everyone does, if you think about Emulation.

>>3766568

he's falseflagging

>Neo Geo had a memory card
>it didn't have a single RPG

The NeoGeo's kind of a shit system, isn't it?

>>3766895
Yeah, emulation works, anyone can emulate shit those days, even snk itself is on the emu game now after their legendary war with the emu scene, its neogeo humble bundle (that i own) is a clear proof of that, but its not the same to play an emulated game on pc even with a game pad or joystick, than playing the real thing, it will never be.

>>3766983
Not sure what you talking about, but heres the thing, i know everything has a cost, i never said free, if you are gonna sell your USED stuff (technically every single bought arcade piece, boards, cabinets, carts, stuff like that, is used in some way, as it belonged to an arcade owner before) at least sell it for a price that reflects how used it is, not over inflate the price just to fill up your wallet in a dishonorable way tricking up the mindless youtube reviewer audiences.

>>3766990
Riding Hero had an RPG mode.

>>3766990
Riding Hero had an RPG mode.

>>3764808
In your opinion, which is shit.

>>3765980
they work, as far as I know. The Neo Geo is just a 68K and a Z80, commonly available CPUs so I imagine there's not really a whole lot to worry about in terms of compatibility.

>>3766127
>>3765946
I get that you're both upset about what these things sell for, but the reality is that there aren't very many of them, and demand outstrips supply. It's that simple.

The age of the items are irrelevant; what matters is supply vs demand.

I'm sorry if that troubles your anal cavity, but it is what it is. Just download and emulator and some ROMs if all you care about is playing and leave the collecting to people with more money than common sense.

>>3765828
>http://www.mvs-scans.com/index.php/Main_Page

>all those pcb scans

oh man that site is gold.

>>3764194
Hi my friend, tell me? Dear dónde eres yo también soy de México y estoy desesperado buscando cartuchos mvs para completar mi colección..

>>3768158
BUENO BOOTLEG

>>3768158
BUILD A WALL

>>3768158

>>3764194 here.
well, im from monterrey, shit as ive seen is extremely rare here, i have seen 1 or 2 neogeo carts, but just that.

>>3768158

You have to go back.

>>3768342
>>3768520

Hey, come on, he's just trying to buy MVS carts.

>>3768543

My bad. I can't read bean runes.

>>3764019
I've always been convinced english version kizuna encounter aes is a fake too, are there proofs it is not?

>>3768380
Pues avísame si ves algo por allá..

I have a bunch of spare mvs carts for trade/sale.. if anyone is interested... You may find me as merfolk looter on Facebook.

Neo Geo collecting costs too much these days. It cost too much then, but it costs even way more now. Waste of money unless you are rich.

>>3769198
waste of money either way

>>3764792
If you have a bios like unibios you can change the mode from aes to arcade on a menu.

And yes, the games are exactly the same, the carts mean to be played on an arcade have all the menus and options of the aes one, and viceversa.

>>3765548
For me it's worst by far, if you can pick a "coin eater" game from all the whole neo geo catalog that one would be windjammers, it's pure 100%, input reading and cheating. It's really, really fun on 2p, I concede that but really you can play it on fightcade at that point.

The only reason it's so expensive is because, for some reason, wasn't included on the chinese multicarts, same goes with Magician Lord or Agressors of dark combat and whatnot.

>>3764194
And how about importing one?, got my mv1zfs on ebay, in Spain, for 70€ + shipping, tested, working and with unibios installed.

Hell, first one on ebay.es.

http://www.ebay.es/itm/Base-MVS-NEO-GEO-MV1-/322338062725?hash=item4b0cd88185:g:KnoAAOSwEzxYNePq

This one, a supergun (or just a tv with scart or rgb), a controller from japan (got mine for 70€), an old ATX power supply and a couple of multicarts and you are set.

>>3771173
>.es

Como va Manolo?

>>3771178
>La lluvia en sevilla es una maravilla...

The amount of assmad ITT is hilarious. Especially considering we now have a decent flash cart. Poorfags can play anything they want on an AES for less than a months salary at their McJobs.

>>3772015
Yeah true dat.

But the fact that the ng.com community made it so only rich people would get the chance to even START to get a proper game collection is a massive kick in the balls.

Thats what makes having the actual carts special and important than having flashcards or emulation, the fact that they were there, for those interested.

Now, those are there, for people who has shitloads of money and the common sense of a chimpanzee trying to eat a picture of a banana (read: retards that doesnt understand that the main purpose of a netreviewer is to entertain and their opinions should NOT be taken as word of god)

to say 'its not fair' would be an understatement.

>>3764004
I only collect PS1 games. That's the cheapest system by far but there are still a few pricey games that I don't care for.

>>3773253
SNK made neo geo shit expensive not those autists. I bought a few carts when it was new and they cost something like $300 in 1990. So like other shit most is cheaper now than it was new. They're only a shitload of money if you're a poorfag.

>>3773757
Actually ng did.

Every single piece of arcade equipment (not only neogeo) is, for a lack of a better term, used goods as it was originally owned by an arcade owner.

If a thing costed 300dls in the past, that means it shouldnt cost more now.

I can accept for a cart MANTAIN its 300dl price if its in mint condition or never opened ONLY, but heres the thing, the majority of arcade boards, parts and stuff like that are already used, arcade owners of the time werent gonna be taking care of their games like comicbooks, theres no way an arcade game board is on a state better than 'fully functional' these days. And in used goods, 'fully functional' means it should cost LESS

ng.com not only introduced offer and demand, but inflated it to RIDICULOUS LEVELS as the article in OP indicates.

Not only for AES but for MVS too.

I don't see how people collect Neo Geo games. I can't even buy any on ebay due to all the bootlegs.

>Trying to buy twinkle star sprites
>Only 1 available
>From mexico
>won't show pictures of the boards
>Untested
>No Returns
>Another one goes for sale even more expensive
>From Brazil

& that's the cheap arcade cart I'm trying to get. It's not worth it.

>>3773845

BiN is cancer. When you search for shit so much shit is super high BiN, some even without Best Offer. THAT is what drives up prices, a couple people listing slightly uncommon stuff at the same time with "who the fuck would pay that much" BiN, so when a somewhat reasonably placed opening bid auction shows up, the only current price comps that people see are stupidly high BiNs.

>>3773852

The worst is the games that went up in price due to those Giant Bomb fundraisers. You can't find Money Puzzle Exchanger for less than $350 now. It's a good puzzle game, but you can get magical drop for so much less.

>>3773764
Exactly how naive are you? Your made up bullshit pricing rules are a joke. Lots of stuff is worth a lot more than when it was new. Just because some hack in an entertainment rag says it ain't so doesn't make it so.
And many carts are worth less than when they were new. Take common shit like Magician Lord.
Your problem is you don't even know what that stuff that sold for so much is. It's rare stuff. You should educate yourself a bit before whining like a little bitch.