/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3714448
Nobody fucking cares you fucking europoor.

>>3714448
>Are Americans still mad they got the ugly looking Super Famicon?
No, because Americans unironically think lavender is a manly color.

>>3714459
It's the color of nobility.

We were too busy playing it to be mad.

This is why I chose the Sega Genesis over the SNES as a child. I don't regret it. Now I own a Super Famicom.

Eh it wasn't the console that I cared about but rather the awesome 4 colored controller we were denied.

>>3714448
>PAL
English, best looking but 50hz
>NTSC-U
English, 60hz but Ugly
>NTSC-J
Best looking, 60hz, but games are in Jap

This is why I emulate the snes.

>>3714495
US version mini SNES is the best option. Break the tabs and Japanese games will play. Using a flash cart you can easily play patch PAL games to play at 60hz. Problems solved.

>>3714495
>50hz vs 60hz

aren't most snes games 30fps anyway

>>3714497
PAL games run 25% slower because of it.

>>3714495
S-Video ain't ugly at all and doesn't require anything to mod.

The only difference is red bleed and color space.

>>3714448
The PAL/JP version is ruined by that stupid power switch. The power and reset sliders on the NA version are more aesthetic.

>>3714534
I've heard it's possible to make the PAL SNES run NTSC-games at the correct speed though.

>>3714534
No they don't, they just have a lower framerate. Where did this meme come from?

Ugly? You guys have some wacky sense of aesthetics.

Anyway

>not owning both NTSC models

>>3714734
>kawaii ugu desu~~
vs
>ugly huge tank with sissy lavender buttons

geee anon

>>3714739

Both look fine to me, anon jr.

>>3714739

>huge

They're about the same size. Try owning both sometime!

>>3714459

>>3714556
>>3714534
If you're emulating there's usually a mode for these things.

>>3714495
>Best looking, 60hz, but games are in Jap
>Being an EOP.

>>3714534
It's only budget publishers that put out bad conversions, any publisher that put out worthwhile games made a real conversion that ran at comparable speed.

Ironically games like Thunder Force IV actually ran better in 50hz because 60hz caused more slowdown

>>3715168

>60hz caused more slowdown

Is this the new meme australia-kun made up in order to defend his 50hz-ridden youth now that the NTSC color meme has been debunked? Pathetic.

>>3715174
Frame time is more lenient for PAL, so no, it's not a meme.

Also the NTSC colour meme is not a meme either. Though it's true that one of PAL's colour advantages, that is, better long distance transmission, is inapplicable to gaming, PAL and NTSC actually use different colourspaces.

The PAL colourspace is better.

>>3715203

you already lost, australia-kun.

>>3715203

Today, I'll remind you.

>>3714496
Except that it's literally a nerfed machine and kills RGB / S-video support.

>>3715216
>>3715220
>there are people autistic enough to still bring up an argument from months back that may not even be the same poster as before
wew

>>3715237

>wew

You keep getting dumber and dumber, auster.

>>3715237

To be fair, the time australia-kun fell for his own meme with the Ntsc/PAL color thing was pretty funny.

>>3715238
Keep falling back on that boogeyman, I'm sure it'll help you win an argument some day...

>>3715245
It's helping him beat you right now.

Remember when you were just happy to be able to play games in any capacity? The fun times you had as a teenager playing the snes all weekend with no care in the world?

Of course you don't you miserable jaded fucks.

I mean I like the colour a lot so I aint bitching

>>3715261
Sure it is. :)

>>3714496
Regular US one can do that too, and it actually has native RGB support

>>3714448
I ordered a SFC controller from Japan. It just showed up today, after six weeks of waiting. It was $2.50 on eBay. It arrived and a cat had chewed through the cable and the whole thing was full of disgusting cigarette tar. It was fucking filthy. Cleaned it up very meticulously, plugged it into my SNES with an SFC Puyo Puyo cart aaaaand it didn't work. I've used SFC controllers in SNESs before. This thing was just FUBARd. Just needed to vent, because that jacked up my morning, man.

>>3714552
Aesthetic is not an adjective.

>>>/tumblr/

>>3715436
Maybe the fact that that the cat chewed the cable... broke the cable? Why don't you fix it?

>>3714734
I never had a problem with either. Not sure where the whole "LE NORTH AMERICAN SNES IS SO UGLY MY EYES BLEED" meme came from. Only thing I don't like about the NA SNES is the weird wavy pattern around the base. Otherwise I like it a lot.

I recall reading one of the main reasons NA changed the SNES design is because the JP console didn't look very good stacked on top of other things, and since that was an early initiative with the SNES, they changed it. The Super Famicom has some nice design points, like the 3 shades of gray, but the form factor is weak. It cuts a very unimpressive profile.

>>3714459
you mean that color your monarchs like to wear?

>>3715436
You sound like one of those idiots who buys shit without reading or looking at it very closely.

>>3715889
You're thinking of purple m8.

Not the same thing whatsoever.

Was anyone else confused by the logo at the top when they were younger?

>>3716021
yeah. i had no idea that logo had anything to do with nintendo.

>>3716021

Not me because, even though I had an US SNES, I had european vidya magazines and I had seen that logo and the european SNES before.
I was confused as to why they were different though.

>>3716021

I just related it to the Yoshi colors.

>>3716032
Wait, this makes too much sense, was the choice around the Yoshi's colors based around the NTSC-J controller all this time?

Two decades later and I'm still noticing new shit.

>>3716664

Yes, also the P-switches.

The N64 logo also have the same colors, and so do the C-buttons, A, B and start

>>3715226
The majority of them on sale these days are modded to take care of this problem.

>>3715425
But it's ugly as shit and getting a 1chip one is a crapshoot.

>>3715436
Gut literally any SNES controller that works and put it in the sfc shell.

Shit if you really don't have a working snes controller go buy a circa one and gut that.

How is this a problem you can't solve?

>>3716021
No, because I'm no dumb ameriblob.

>>3716664
>>3716669
Or, you know, they're mostly primary colors and some of the most commonly used colors in general.

>>3714448
>Are Americans still mad they got the ugly looking Super Famicon?

They are too fat and stupid to realize if something is ugly.

>>3715174
It's not a meme.
You have 17.5% less frames to display in PAL, which means that the system is effectively running 17.5% more powerful. As if it was overclocked.

This means that PAL games have less slowdown.

>>3716782
Unfortunately most games were made for NTSC, and poorly optimized for PAL.

I highly recommend the PAL-versions of Rareware's games, especially on N64 though.

>le pal is slower

that's just sonic and a bunch of sega titles

snes and ps1 (the only consoles that matter) games run the same

none of the super nintendo consoles looked good.
>>3716791
is PAL a mental disorder?

marketing problems i guess

>>3716021
I just assumed they were spotlights, which made sense to me since the rest of that place is flashy and glitzy.

>>3716793
majority of nintendo consoles look like shit

>>3715174
It actually matters. Try playing the US version of DKC3 or Super Donkey Kong 3 (JP) and then compare it to the PAL version. Because of the higher framerate, the NTSC version are actually more prone to slowdown than the PAL one. There are some other examples but that's the one that's most familiar to me.

That being said, it doesn't stop speedrunners from using the NTSC versions because even with slowdowns it's still faster to react and beat with a higher rate in general.

>>3716802
bingo, desu I can't think of a single one that is visually appealing.

Daily reminder that a good portion of people who refuse to emulate because "how the devs intended it!" play 50hz crap.

>>3716791
That's not true at all.

Basically, the more recent a console is, the more good 50hz conversions there will be, but the vast majority of retro console games developed in Japan or in America play slower in their PAL versions.

It's all a case by case basis but the good conversions are exceptions. Pal games with conversions that I know of I can count on my hands, SMB1 on NES actually runs about 10% faster in its PAL version. Blue Shadow runs at the intended speed. Exhumed on Saturn, the running behaviours are the same but some projectiles have different speed (PS1 version runs slower though).
Of course there is more than those I listed and know of, but I just stop bothering to look for them because really good conversions are not even 1% of pre-Dreamcast PAL console games.

It was only when blessed Dreamcast made it mandatory to have a PAL60 version of all its games that shit got real; and even then in the meantime, a lot of PS2 games were still getting slowed down 50hz crap (even major titles like Onimusha, Final Fantasy X, etc); but the Dreamcast progressively changed minds on the subject.

Oh and obviously, even in the case of good speed conversions, most of the times those PAL titles still have a fucked up aspect ratio.

The "higher resolution" of PAL only matters for PAL60, post Dreamcast, and only in the cases when the devs didn't just leave black bars at the top and bottom for the extra space....

Honestly I live in PAL territory, and all the people talking about "colours" and "higher resolution" are just trying to make themselves feel better for giving money to resellers for that crap.

>>3716838
>>Honestly I live in PAL territory, and all the people talking about "colours" and "higher resolution" are just trying to make themselves feel better for giving money to resellers for that crap.
implying pal people ever paid a single game back then

Europe was pirate land

America? Hahahahahaha
Europe? WAROTA.

Japan Master Race.

>>3716843
It was a bit difficult pirating console games at the time. The Megadrive had the Super Magic Drive that could rip games to and play games off standard Sony 3.5 Diskettes, but there wasn't much else.

>>3717480

>Sony was already cucking sega before the playstation existed

>>3717485
I'm referring to these, Sony was just the developer of the standard, I think Maxell was the largest manufacturer.

>>3717480
There were loads of copiers for SNES though. Megadrive also had a few others, notably the Double Pro Fighter. Piracy of computer games and console games were closely linked. The same BBS systems with computer games had console sections with loads of advertisements to buy copiers. The hardware came from Asia and spread throughout Europe and North America this way.

>>3714465
>It's the color of nobility.
Sadly, the rest of the average SNES is now a disgusting nicotine yellow, the color of a chainsmoker's stained walls and fingers. Genesis wins big with a black shell that looks as good as if it were 1989.

>>3717530

The purple is still purple though.
Also, my SNES hasn't yellowed, if the smoke thing is true it'd make sense because I don't smoke.

>>3717537
The yellow is because of a fire retardant in the plastic mixture which oxidizes over time, and your SNES got lucky with a plastic batch mixed differently from the yellow ones.