/vr/ - Retro Games

The Outrun car and the Super Hang-On bike make a cameo in Afterburner so I would assume they are in the same universe. That's all I got tho.

is panzer dragoon the last series in the sega timeline?

>>3679570
Golden Axe 1 canonically takes place inside of an arcade cab

Shinobi crosses over with Terminator, Spider-man, Batman, Godzilla, and Rambo

Looks like all fiction and possibly parts of reality take place inside of a video game

>>3679615
But Golden Axe also cameos in the PS2 Dynamote Deka. Maybe Golden Axe takes place in modern times but in a different part of the globe, and Death=Adder is the leader of a modern gang who dresses like barbarian characters and inspired the arcade game.
https://youtu.be/xt0YdwUHRbI?t=10m3s

Or maybe the Golden Axe 1 ending is the precursor to the Segagaga events and the first crossover between the Virtua reality and the Shenmue reality (real world).

This thread is concentrated autism.

>>3679696
>This board is concentrated autism.

ftfy

>>3679706
Fair point I guess

>>3679696
>>3679706
>>3679806
At least autists have genuine enthusiasm for things. All this detached irony is getting fucking old desu.

>>3680016
Autists don't have genuine enthusiasm for anything. That's kinda the whole point of the condition.

They're emotionless collectors of facts.

>>3680037
That's not necessarily true. There's a whole spectrum of us autists. Some got it worse than others. I am a human being with emotions and some very limited social skills. I'm still a total sperg though.

Jacky Bryant was a Formula One driver before becoming a fighter. He likely competed in Virtua Racing.

>>3680231
didn't he drive the hornet from daytona usa

my head hurts

>>3680264
No. But WHO'S HORNET DRIVER? I can't see anyone inside it.
Is Hornet some kind of fighting robot car, placing Daytona USA in the future?
How canon is Fighters Megamix? Does crossovers take place after Segagaga events?

So are we going by U.S. canon or JP canon? Keep in mind some Sega games have different backstories between regions.

>>3680708
JP.

American Sonic is an alien, JP Sonic lives on earth.

>>3680718
Don forget that Joe Musashi's son is the main character of MD Shadow Dancer and Bare Knuckle 3 is about a new biological weapon.

>>3679570
Daytona and Virtua Fighter and Fighting Vipers all take place in the same universe.

>Golden Axe
>Dynamite Cop
>Confirmed same universe
How?

>>3681089
The cast of Golden Axe escape from the machine at the end

>>3681089
The PS2 port of Dynamite Deka had alternate skins for Bruce Willis and the Chick where they cosplay as Ax Battler and Tyris Flaire and one of the bosses becomes Death Adder.

>>3680456
According to Daytona USA 2 canon, the dude behind the Hornet car is named Tom Brown. You have this:

>Chums Gum/J.C. Eagle (Easy): Johnny Brown
>Scorpio Plasma (Normal): Noel Brown (not that dude who got banned from a fighting game event)
>Phantom Full Force (Hard): Mitch Brown
>Hornet Classic (Special): Tom Brown

You can look closely at the driver names when the rolling start begins in Daytona USA 2.

Now this is one weird thread.

>Daytona USA "canon"
>Segagaga incident
>Psycho Fox and Sonic taking place in the same continuity

I'd like to see you guys put all this information into a single infographic.

>>3680727
iirc the main character of any particular Shinobi game is all over the place depending on localization, figuring out what the plot there is supposed to be could be its own thread. What kind of a name for an evil organization is "Union Lizard" anyway?

>>3679570
>Golden Axe
and
>Altered Beast
are in the same universe, and both have the same animal the chicken leg/chicken stinger/cockatrice.

I also think Shinobi and Streets Of Rage are supposed to be connected with Altered Beast and Golden Axe.

>>3681759
I always thought Sonic was an alternate universe, and Dr.Robotnic wasn't orginally from said universe.

>>3681836
We don't see any other humans in the classic Sonic universe, which means that it's perfectly possible for Robotnik to not originally be from his universe. However, if it were so, you'd think that he would've hinted that at some point, so it's probably not a thing.

>>3681839
what about that girl he bones in sonic 06. it's canon bro.

>>3680231
>>3680264
Jacky is canonically an indy car racer by day though. It's his actual day job according to his bio in VF, look it up.

And in his (and Sarahs) VF Kids ending, he is driving Daytona cars. It is not shown which, but he is closest to Hornet. He ends up frying the car with his lightning kick.

>>3681901
The Sonic Adventure games also had human NPCs. Hell, Adventure 2 introduced Eggman's father and sister.

>>3679570
I like to consider Alex Kidd and Sonic in the same universe as Space Harrier and Fantasy Zone, their planets are just two of many in that sort of galactic government Fantasy Zone keeps going on about.

But Sonic takes place on earth, at least in Japan.

Alex Kidd is an alien, but he has visited earth and possibly died there, as their names can be seen on tombstones on Altered Beast's first level.

>Okano also marketed the game himself with a budget of roughly $200 USD, half of which he spent on a wrestling mask to hide his identity.

>>3682487
I suppose, but it's still something I like to think about.

>>3681809
>iirc the main character of any particular Shinobi game is all over the place depending on localization, figuring out what the plot there is supposed to be could be its own thread.

It's Joe Musashi in almost all of the retro entries though. Shadow Dancer is the only game in the series that has a plot that varies between region and platform, due to how different the arcade and Genesis versions were compared to each. It really doesn't help that there a few misconceptions online thanks to websites like KLOV and people who parrot their information from them.

The Shadow Dancer arcade game wasn't even tied to the original Shinobi. The main ninja and his dog are left nameless on the sales flyer (KLOV says it's Musashi's son, but they're wrong, but it's not Musashi himself either). In the JP-developed SMS port released in Europe, he is named Fuma in the attract mode (pic related), which is as generic of a ninja name as you can get.

The MD/Genesis Shadow Dancer, which is subtitled "The Secret of Shinobi" (and thus, actually tied to the series), leaves the main character unnamed in-game, with the manual giving him different identities depending on the region. The Japanese manual establishes that he's Hayate, the estranged son of Joe Musashi, who was sent away to New York in the late 70's and raised by a Dick C. Kato, hence why Shadow Dancer takes place in 1998. The U.S. manual ditches the whole estranged son nonsense and just made the main character Joe Musashi himself seeking to avenge his student Kato. I actually think the U.S. story works better though, since the JP manual implies that all the previous Shinobi games all took place in the 70's.

>What kind of a name for an evil organization is "Union Lizard" anyway?
I thought it was some name made up by the localization, but there's a big UL logo appearing throughout the game. Supposedly Sauros (the main bad guy) is a reptilian, but he looks like a regular samurai ghost to me.

>>3683448
>Sauros the evil reptilian is behind everything

>>3681747
>all are named Brown
So Daytona is a race between the Brown family?

>>3684491
Do they include a time traveler among them?

>>3679570
The RPGs from Sega are books/fiction in fiction. So take the original Phantasy Star off. PSO are in same canon, though. That also includes Shining series, Panzer Dragoon, and Skies of Arcadia. In Valkyria Chronicle, there are passages about Vyse and Aika always talking about flying adventures, which suggests SoA to be their little fantasies.

Alien Storm and Golden Axe in same universe confirmed

>>3684647
Phantasy Star has 4 different unconnected (minus that sidequest in Infinity) continuities.

>>3684839
But how Gillius is alive if he dies fighting Death=Adder in the sequel?

>>3685149
'cause Revenge of Death Adder wasn't made yet.

What is "the fantasy zone"
How is space harrier connected to opa-opa(the player) bros.?

Do Black Arms ever appear in another Sega game?

Also that guy pissing on Eggmans grave at the start of Bayonetta.

Does Billy Hatcher share the Sonic Universe, or was that all a dream? Does that mean it could also share the Nights universe?

>>3686779
I think SEGA's quietly dusted Black Arms beneath the rug at this point. Probably for the best.

All the penguin games (Penga, Pepen ga Pengo) possibly take place in Sonic universe, as Pengo makes a small cameo as a unused 3D model in Sonic The Fighters.

>>3685162
Anon, this is Sega. The game wasn't released, but they carefully laid out plans for decades to create what is possibly the deepest lore in gaming. It was already planned.

>>3685517
Fantasy Zone is the wildest place of the universe and a dimension existing between dimensions, like Marvel Comic's Negative Zone and that, some say, can be acessed trough dreams.
Most Sonic special stages take place in Fantasy Zone.

Opa-opa was one of the very few benevolent inhabitants of the Fantasy Zone, even though his father, Opapa, was the leader of Fantasy Zone's murderous hordes.

The Space Harrier was the first human to survive the Fantasy Zone, in the year 6226. This after Opa-opa killed Opapa in a bloody battle, so I made a mistake putting Fantasy Zone after Space Harrier in the timeline.
Opapa's death led to the rise of the Dragon Land forces while humans discovered the Fantasy Zone. Until Opapas defeat, the Dragon Land was one of the few peaceful places in Fantasy Zone, standing ad the dimension's very entrance, but Opapa's soul perverted its inhabitants and it became a menace not only to the Fantasy Zone but to the whole universe. Opapa's soul still lingers and went on to become the "The Profound Darkness" of the Phantasy Star series.

Welcome to the Fantasy Zone.

>>3682951
All the dimensions merge in the Fantasy Zone.

>>3681839
>>3681901
>>3681976

classic sonic and modern sonic are different dimensions, no joke. And this was stated AFTER generations basically said they were past and present.

>>3683448
> I actually think the U.S. story works better though, since the JP manual implies that all the previous Shinobi games all took place in the 70's.

I kinda like the idea that Joe is beating up 70s spiderman and adam west though.

>>3688825
>all this sperging out about the fantasy zone and opapa


Tell me more anon. I like this.
I love the idea of the Fantasy Zone being the wildest dimension and THE Space Harrier (this makes him sound like a 1000x cooler btw) makes me picture one of those insane 70s pulp sci fi novels, the idea of a guy being shot through a dimension being unable to stop but being able to dodge and blast shit out of his way is all kinds of entertaining.

>>3690250
Actually that's not sperging. Really, that's canon.

Every Fantasy Zone game is about Opa-opa fighting his father Opapa and their split evil personalities. Fantasy Zone II bad ending show Opa-opa going evil while Space Harrier is the only one who can save Fantasy Zone from Opa-opa's hordes.
https://youtu.be/KnAm9JU186E?t=17m39s

Yeah, the lore is that deep.

Opa-opa vs its father, Opapa
https://youtu.be/ScNmsWueW2c?t=1m49s

Opa-opa's evil side
https://youtu.be/znyIzQUttiM?t=21m33s

Fantasy Zone lore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag2h-rZGzRk

>>3690247
I never really got a 70's vibe from the Shinobi. Maybe from the original arcade/SMS game, but The Revenge of Shinobi always seemed rather modern to me. It's not like Rolling Thunder, where they explicitly stated that the original game took place in the 1960's in supplemental materials and you can tell they were going for a vintage spy drama feel.

Is Teddy Boy a boy trapped in a virtual world or a boy trapped in a real maze with killer toys and some idoru singing? Is this common in the Sega future? Poor parents sell their kids to some mafia who throws them into murdering mazes.

>>3692410
Shinobi is pretty futuristic, and sometimes it seems to take place in a dystopian world like Double Dragon.

>>3692610
I imagine Teddy Boy's situation is that he got stuck in the Holographic World that was portrayed in Kid Chameleon. He eventually made it out when Casey freed everyone.

>>3692410
>>3692610
Shadow Dancer is aesthetic

Everything looks like run down garbage but there are ninjas running around

How it got there?

What about Sonic Generations? There is two SEGA universes, like Classic Sonic with old SEGA games (like Alex Kidd) and a new Sonic with news characters (like Jet Set Radio).

Also, there is a official SEGA comic that shows the decline of SEGA, and Alex Kidd being surpassed by Sonic. Can someone tell the name of the comic?

>>3694245
>Also, there is a official SEGA comic that shows the decline of SEGA, and Alex Kidd being surpassed by Sonic. Can someone tell the name of the comic?
Actually is a game, Segagaga, that takes place in the "real" world.

>>3694253
Thanks!

>>3694248
>comic
1. It's not official
2. It's not so much a decline so much as Nintendo invading Sega territory
3. It's called World War Blue and has 8 volumes officially released in english, which unfortunately was discontinued indefinetly due to poor sales.
4. It has a 3 episode OVA that covers the first volume.

Here's a sample that I made using the original web release and then adding the text myself

>>3694245
Mr Sun is really enjoying himself for some reason

>>3693003
I wish there was a magazine article scanned somewhere from Gamest or Famitsu to see if they always had the Hayate backstory planned for the arcade or if that was just made up for the MD version.

>>3695216
Interesting the JP flyer doesn't have the "Shinobi Returns" tagline. It seems that was added for the U.S. flyer along with the 影の舞 kanji.

>>3694245
Well, it seems that "Shinobi World" is another planet visited by Alex.
Maybe all the ninja demons fought by the Shinobi series heroes are actually aliens from the Shinobi World that came to our planet in the past and went into hiding after Alex Kidd came after them, all before Altered Beast.
Somehow Alex and Stella died, while the Shinobians influenced civilization until earth became a copy of Shinobi World..

Also, why Sega seemed to hate Kidd after the Genesis release? They fucking murdered him in Altered Beast and released this piece of crap here to definitely bury him. Even the cover art is lazy and half-assed.
They could just left him aside, but no, they shat on him.

Poor Alex.

>>3692996
Do not go shoving your american games in my carefury curafted Sega timerine you piggu!

Bump

Panzer Dragoon takes place in the past of Phantasy Star Online's Coral - the VR temple area is a match of the first level in PD

and uhh *spins wheel* the black moon area in Skies of Arcadia is a manifestation of Dark Falz yeah ok there we go

>>3695312
I think the only Alex Kidd games that are canon are Miracle World and Enchanted Castle, since those were the only ones made by the original creator (along with that BMX spinoff). High-Tech World and Shinobi World were just repurposed from other games (Anmitsu-hime and Kid Shinobi), while Lost Stars was made by another team.

>>3700274
Super Mario 2 USA is also a repurposed game and it is not only canon but also an dark and important part of Mario and Zelda canon.

>>3701760
The difference is that the U.S. version of Super Mario 2 was localized back to Japan as Super Mario USA. High Tech World and Shinobi World are strictly west only.

bump

The emblem of the infamous terror group, Al-Tism

>>3703905

>>3702076
So now we don't get to count Cyber Shinobi

>>3703905
Pretty good

>>3705845
Doesn't Shinobi 3D overwrites it?

>>3679570
I know not /vr/ but would the Yakuza games then be in the same continuity of Shenmue?

>>3705973
Every game is connected, retro or not. But there's any evidence that Yakuza belongs to the Shenmue universe and not to the Virtua continuity? Everything posted here is deeply documented.

I can just imagine how much Daytona 3 will add to the already deep Sega lore. Will the Jeffry statue be there?

Shenmue =Virtua Fighter = Daytona USA= Virtua Cop = Outrun = Space Harrier...

>>3690337
oh my bad anon, that is awesome though that they're all tied together.

I didn't realise Opa Opa and Space Harrier were friends that's pretty cool though.

>>3705973
>>3706096
Yakuza is probably more connected to Binary Domain than any of AM2's IPs. Not sure what Ryu Ga Gotoku Studios used to be before becoming the Yakuza Studios. Didn't they worked on Super Monkey Ball?

>>3679602
I'm sure there is a Ferrari Testarossa in any universe.