/vr/ - Retro Games

also, friendly reminder to SCART HARD

Friendly reminder not to fall for the SCART or PVM memes.

>>3701624
Sorry but i'm French.

The best

>>3701624
Newfag here. Thanks for telling me what SCART is. I Googled it and it looked far better than composhit. Gonna buy one now.

>>3701624
>he shows inferior American alternative

Rate my CRT:
RCA 24V510T

SNES via AV

>>3701661
>RCA 24V510T

That's a Thomson rebrand though.

R8

>>3701668
looks a little dark, probably just your camera tho. mine looks a little too bright.

>>3701710
Yeah, my phone camera is pretty shitty

r8
Just finished setting it up

>>3701723
nice sauna mate

>>3701739
Thanks.
My camera is shit.

>>3701745
>my camera lens is covered in cheeto dust

ftfy

Has anybody ever had the balls?

https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=CRT+TV&isGalleryList=G

Can I make my own RGB/BNC cables just by soldering console plugs to BNC cables? I'm in the US and don't see any reason to go console->SCART->BNC. I doubt if I'll ever have a TV with SCART, so I'd like to just make, for example, a Genesis 1 cable that does the multi-use terminated in BNCs.

I've seen some SCART plugs have caps and resistors inside. The resistors control brightness, right? What about the caps? Do I need them? Is there a site that would have apparatus the cap and resistors values for different consoles?

>>3701762
Hmm

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/25inch-CCTV-Security-CRT-Monitor-JD_712361314.html

>>3701762
Do not do this.

Chinese seller do not obtain proper export licenses, and as a result use local shipping agencies to get their parcels to port in places where a carrier such as UPS or Fed-Ex or DHL will actually pick them up.

As a result, things are often repacked into smaller containers using less protective packaging so that more can fit onto each truck. Components which might be difficult to declare or cause any flags to be raised are often out-right discarded in this process to avoid notice from Customs. And then the bill of lading is obviously doctored or outright falsified to avoid any liability on the shipper and/or transport companies part.

Despite the shenanigans, it is possible to get exactly what you ordered and have it arrive in perfect condition too. But it is akin to playing the lottery. And less durable, more complicated items lower the chances of 'winning' by receiving an unbroken or somehow non-defective item greatly.

China specializes in cheap shit. Do not order anything but that from there.

>>3701824
What the fuck now I love China, my old man always told me the government is there to be tricked just don't get caught.

I'm thinking of falling for the PVM meme as I've found one at a size I think is fine, it seems clean and there aren't any noticeable dents, it comes with a power cable, and it's not too expensive, only $60 for about a 2 hour long round trip to pick it up. Problem is it only does composite and s-video. Well, it's not so much a problem as it is a downside. I've never seen any of my consoles (Famicom, Super Famicom, N64, PS, PS2) hooked up through anything besides the lowest thing they offered, basically RF or composite. So I think anything will be a huge upgrade to me. Does it sound worth it? I figure if I ever want to go down the RGB route I can just buy a framemeister or something like that to use RGB with my consoles. It would probably look better on a CRT but I don't have the time, money, or patience to wait and hope I find some 20 inch perfect PVM to play everything on, and I'd rather just use my big flatscreen.

>>3701869
If you are going into the professional monitor territory either do it properly or don't do it all.
Just my suggestion.
Also /vr/ mostly just raves on about SONY, plenty of nice stuff from PANASONIC,VICTOR(JVC),Mitsubishi etc too.

>>3701873
Well, it's not a Sony. I don't see how getting something with s-video as the best option isn't doing it properly, though. It will still be a massive upgrade to what I've been used to for most of my life with an 11 inch Funai piece of shit. And even then I think my PS1 looks pretty good on that screen through composite, so s-video on a professional grade set will make me shit my pants. If I could get a big fancy pvm with every input ever and was under $300 I would, but at that point I would rather buy a scaler box and play on a 55-inch TV while sitting on my couch.

>>3701884
>Well, it's not a Sony

SONY's sets plummeted in quality around the early 2000s. If somebody wanks hard to the Trinitron look then you got Mitsubishi's Diamondtron same thing.

>>3701884
He means s-vid instead of RGB. The higher end PVMs take RGB through BNC connectors. Many in addition to composite and s-vid.

If you're positive you'll always be okay with s-video then that PVM will still give you a better picture than a consumer set, but if you have any thoughts of doing the RGB thing you should consider a PVM with RGB in. They aren't all $300. Depends on where you live and how lucky you get. I got a 14M4U for around $75, and the option of RGB for $15 over what you may pay is totally worth it.

>>3701869
I'm from scart land and even I think svideo is a worthwhile upgrade. Go for it.

>>3701869
>and I'd rather just use my big flatscreen

Then do that. It already accepts RGB via HDMI in all likelihood. You just need the cables.

Console -> SCART cable -> SCART to HDMI adapter -> HDMI cable -> TV

You can use the same SCART cable for both PS1 and 2. And the same goes for the SNES and N64, but only after modding the N64.

NES has an HDMI mod.

I know it's CRT general, but do you. Most of us take our own path with this shit.

I like to use an old Trinitron with Component input. It isn't TRUE 4;4;4 RGB, but rather 4;2;2 YUV. It still looks pretty damned good to me, and I can play it on a big 36" screen instead of a postage stamp.

Anybody here with any experience of Ikegami monitors?

>>3701869
Just get a big consumer set with s-video.

>>3701745

I'm sure the quality is great but it looks like you huffed on the screen

>>3701831

That's a life lesson pretty much anywhere you live. Not just china.

>>3701891

>Mitsubishi's Diamondtron same thing

This interests me. How many sets are similar to the trinitron? Are there many other sets offering component and s-video? I'm just asking, I have no idea

You are big guy

>>3701941

Post 1996 sets are usually Diamondtron

>>3701941
diamondtron are pc monitors (ツ)

>>3701949

Same stuff as NEC Multi sync series as they were in a joint venture.

>>3701869
How big is it? Do you really like the size, or do you think you'd want bigger? The only real reason to get a PVM is if it's free, or if you're fully going to embrace RGB. If s-video is as high as you're gonna go, just get a nice consumer set.

Given the amount of wear and tear on most CRTs nowadays, you can't even say for sure that a PVM will have higher quality. It will probably be more durable and last longer, assuming it hasn't already been used to hell and back.

>>3701992
If we are going to talk CRT with little tear then going for the sets made around 2004-2006 would most likely be the best bet as these kinda faded quickly when the HD thing started around 2007.
Only problem is avoiding the horrendous 100hz processing shit

>>3701915
I'll be set with s-video for at least a couple of years, I don't want to say no to RGB completely but it just doesn't interest me that much since I'd rather have something that looks pretty good and is easy to hook up without having to buy and ship multiple kinds of cables and adapters.
>>3701923
That's s-video? It looks great.
>>3701925
>Console -> SCART cable -> SCART to HDMI adapter -> HDMI cable -> TV
What's the point of all the framemeister shit if it's this easy?
>>3701929
Don't have the space and I like the cube design of PVMs, my current TV is rounded on the top and I really hate how I can't put it on top of anything, or anything on top of it because it's wasted space I could set a console I'm not using on or something.
>>3701992
It's 19 inches, which is about 6 inches bigger than what I've been using since 1999 or 2000 for all my systems before the PS4. To me that seems just big enough to fit on my desk and comfortably sit and play from my bed without it being too huge or too small. I don't even think my CRT computer monitor is that big. I basically just want a TV shaped like a box that looks good, isn't dirty as fuck and beat up, will support an input for all of my consoles, and isn't too expensive or bulky. I'd be able to get rid of 2 shitty TVs and replace it with one good one, because I have a 19 inch that only does RF and an 11 inch that only has auxiliary composite and mono audio.
>>3701995
It was actually made in 2003.

>>3701995
Yeah. I had a 2003 JVC that was pretty fucking great with s-vid and component. I ended up getting rid of it because it was fucking huge and I hardly used. Found a PVM for free by chance a while back and decided to fully embrace RGB and original hardware. The smaller size is a blessing.

>>3702015
>It's 19 inches
Well that's about as big as they come. There are bigger models, but they're pretty rare. 19 inches is a great size, really, especially if you're sitting at a cozy distance.

For $60 and a nice car ride, I'd say go for it. Do you know the model number? Most 19" units usually accepted RGB. It was mostly the smaller ones that didn't have it, but obviously there were exceptions.

>>3702015
>That's s-video? It looks great.
yes, from a 17" JVC monitor. Pic related is RGB on the same monitor, there are differences but you really have to look at them.

>It's 19 inches
that's a nice size.

Just go for it. At worse you'll manage to sell it to a NES nut

>>3701946
>>3701949

I didn't know this. Thanks!

The largest 4:3 VGA PC CRT monitor is 21" (viewable) although you might want to settle for 20" which is easier to find.

These are flat however.

What is the largest curved 4:3 VAG PC CRT monitor?
I have seen curved 16", are there any larger?

>>3701869
>I don't have the time, money, or patience to wait and hope I find some 20 inch perfect PVM to play everything on, and I'd rather just use my big flatscreen.
When you get one, you can do both.

>>3702015
>What's the point of all the framemeister shit if it's this easy?

It adds scan lines. No, really. That's it. For some of us, no scan lines is kind of a deal-breaker. 240p and 480i without them is just... wrong. Hence why I play on a big, old CRT.

>>3702042
Pretty much this I was until recently playing on my LCD and I had gotten used to the look. Then just for the shits I decided to hook my stuff up to the CRT up the attic again and oh boy, the LCD looks horrendous in comparison.

Oh and the set I hooked it up was a damn FUNAI(pffff) 28" so I can only imagine how nice a PVM/BVM looks in real life, but hey it had 2 SCART RGB ports that's nice.

>>3702018
>>3702021
Yeah, I think I'll just do it. I doubt I'll find one cheaper with so little effort, at least not within the next month or two because I've been wanting to upgrade for around a year and a half now. It's not too old either, so it should last a while. It'll probably cost me close to $100 with gas and tolls factored in, but these things were sold to a corporation for like $900 a pop 13-14 years ago so that's a pretty nice discount. Thanks guys.

One more question though: what happens if the power cable stops working? Are the cords interchangeable or will I need to find one for a specific model?

>>3702068
It's just a standard power cable like most computers use. Definitely interchangeable. It shouldn't really fail, though. Did the seller say it had a problem?

>>3702073
No, just me being paranoid that if I ever need a backup and use the cable coming out of my computer's PSU I'll end up frying the TV. Good to know that, though.

I'll ask the guy to hold it for me and I'll try to pick it up this weekend, or maybe next weekend. I'll post pictures here when I get it, too.

>>3701645
Shit posting aside is there any particular reason FUNAI gained such a horrible reputation for their televisions?

Picture semi related

In the previous CRT thread it was noted that due to different colour encoding, NTSC (RF, composite, and S-video) have less vibrant colours than RGB.

What about PAL? Does it also have worse colours than RGB?

What about YPbPr? Does component also have less colour depth than RGB?

What if I prefer the colour of NTSC but I am using RGB? Will reducing the saturation in the on screen menu of the CRT achieve the look of NTSC palette?

>>3702039
Why are the colors different?
What connections are you using for right and left CRT?

Are Sony Trinitron displays brighter or darker than other CRTs for retro gaming?

They use aperture grille which lets more phosphor light through the glass to your eyes.

On the other hand AG gives strong, well defined scanlines which darken the picture.

>>3702105
You seem pretty confused, and this shit isn't that hard.

Look up Color Space for more detailed explanations, but yes Component has less color depth than RGB. S-Video to Component gives better color accuracy, and Component to RGB gives about the same amount more over Component as Component did over S-Video.

Not answering the PAL/NTSC queries because you are confused and just need to look that up for yourself.

>>3702119
>On the other hand AG gives strong, well defined scanlines which darken the picture.
no, that's high TVL

Does anyone here have the JVC TM-H150CG? If so, did you manage to find the component/rgb input card for it? I don't even know where I would start looking for one, getting a smaller Sony that already has it seems better even if it'll be more expensive.

>>3702231
I have the 17" version, when I got it I made sure it had the RGB card.
I've seen other JVCs appearing (including some DTV) and none have it... but they often have the 4000€ HDSDI one....

Note that you can also use the Panasonic one, but they're as rare if not rarer...

>>3702240
That's what I was afraid of. I guess I'll just start looking more at PVMs, since I would probably already be spending $250 easy on the monitor and the RGB card, if it ever popped up. The extra inch doesn't seem worth it.

>>3702261
the good thing about the TM-H serie is that they still have s-video input stock.
The DT-V line OTOH is naked by default, and most of the time are found with SDI or HDSDI...

Glorious composite

Where the fuck do i get a CRT in Europe. Fuck me, I want one so bad.

>>3702353

Are you kidding me man? Just check the random giveaway/sell off website every country has and if you are lucky just find one in one of those recycling rooms.

>>3702353
in my town,i member a shop selling even a new crt tv and this fucking pioneer stereo

I just got an s-video cable for my PS1, and I noticed that the Sony logo on the boot screen looks weird and "detached," particularly on the right edge of the O (notice the vertical line). It's one of the official PS3-era "gold plated" cables. Is this normal?

>>3702538
Is it a 100hz digital processing set?

>>3702539

No.

>>3702538
>>3702539

I bought the cable from a UK seller. Could that possibly be a problem? I assumed the US and the UK s-video cables would be the same.

>>3702538
It's just upscaled by a tiny bit and of course unfiltered because of hardware limitations hence why you noticed this distortion.

>>3702560

Alright, so it's normal for a PS1 using s-video? I can deal with it if it's a normal thing that I can't do anything about.

>>3702539
Not him but how do you find that out?

>>3702562
It is your television a cable can't cause that.

>>3702114
The left in an LCD. The colors are different because cameras suck at capturing CRTs. The CRT on the right actually has more vivid colors in person.

The signal is RGB going to a switch/amplifier, then both directly out to the PVM, and another out to a framemeister, so that image is also being processed and displayed differently,

>>3701627
Is that a guitar pedal footswitch?

anyone know what causes different games to display tilted on my tv?
some games work fine while others are fucked
1/2

>>3703127
2/2

>>3703127
all i see is the tilt being invisible in one because of the overscan.

How do I get RGBs out of a PAL Wii?

>>3703173
Tap it? Plug in a Scart cable? The Wii ouputs PAL games in RGBS - what more do you want to know? Google the pinout if you're building a cable, making note of which pins double as S-Video for NTSC, and remember that for both regions you can short pins 8 & 10, is it? to get YPbPr instead of RGB.

I finally hooked up my SNES via S-video to my PVM and it looks nice.

Only thing is I noticed some weird artifacts on all black screens. It's very strange. Only seems to happen when movement happens on the screen and happens all the way across the screen. It's more like waves

No it's not the white line running down the middle although I did see that.

I messed with my PVM settings a bit and it seems to have solved both issues or at least masked them but I am wondering what that one running across the screen could have been.

>>3703280
And to add some information onto it the S-video cable is wired right. The S-video connection is not just tapped into composite.

>>3703274
I have no idea what I'm doing. Do I just combine these two diagrams? Isn't there a Wii RGBs cable tutorial for retards?

>>3703467
Go to the store and buy a scart cable.

>>3703467
The diagram is a tut. It took me all of a couple seconds to figure that out.

If it is over your head, get a converter instead. It will very likely look cleaner than whatever franken-cable you build.

Is there a way to use a PVM as a secondary computer monitor? I only use my CRT monitor hooked up through VGA to watch TV shows and movies that are in 4:3 anyways and I was hoping there would be a way to condense having a CRT TV to hook game consoles up to and a CRT monitor for watching specific kinds of video, so that I would just have one really good monitor that filled both roles.

>>3703995
if your pvm is multiformat and you can output composite sync (with AMD cards or a circuit), yes. Otherwise pretty much no since hacked drivers will output 15khz to all monitors.

>>3704013
Hmm. There's no converter boxes or cable adapters that would translate an s-video signal to VGA? I don't know that much about video, sorry.

I've been on the hunt for a decent 20-24 inch crt. If i could find one at a decent price with S-video i'd jump on it in a heartbeat. Sadly all the ones on ebay are dumbfuck expensive to the point you can buy a 40+ inch 4k TV for the price.

Any particular crt brands to avoid? I did notice samsung got into the game kinda late, and had some models with Composite, S-Video, as well as Component inputs, but it seems like there are some complains about some of those.

>>3704029
>>3704013
>>3703995
i have my d20f1u in my game room next to my computer. i have it hooked up via HDMI > COMPONENT adapter which goes into my bvm.

i can output 480p-1080i.
although i'm stuck with 16:9 in 720p+. i want 4:3 720p.


has to be a multiformat monitor though

>>3704056
Shit. Although I guess I could just find some way to play the videos on something that isn't a computer, though.

>>3703995
Yes.

It's called an Extron VSC.

>>3703995


>>3704013
>output
learn what words mean

>>3703995

>>3704191

There's a JVC TM-A13SU nearby I could probably get for cheap, like $30 or $40.

It has P22 phosphors and a rather low TVL of 320, but is PAL/SECAM compatible, has a built in speaker, and takes S-Video. Basically it's a modern successor of the TM-13U, better known as the Commodore 1702, which I own and rather like.

Should I go for it?

>>3704198
Do it.

>>3704198
Why are you guys all so hesitant to spend small amounts of money on TVs like this? I bought my 13 inch PVM for $115 with shipping and didn't even think about it, sure you can get better deals but is your time really so worthless you'll drive around all over the place and do shitloads of research and price checking just to save 50 bucks? Just do it, that's like 25% of a day's work, not a month's.

>>3704198

It's such a cutie get it. But I am a JVC fanboy

>>3704215
I'm a poorfag without a car, that's why. Just wanted to make sure there was nothing catastrophically wrong with that specific model.

>>3704225
Nothing wrong as such.

That said it's unlikely to perform any better than the average kerbside set so you'd be paying extra for aesthetics alone.

>>3704225
It's ok, I don't have a car either. I wasn't calling you out specifically, just all the posts saying "Is it worth buying this cool monitor that will serve all my retro vidya needs until it burns out in 10 years for $10".

>>3704236
>t burns out in 10 years for $10

This is why it's best not to be too anal and get a non 100hz set released 2003-2006 from some random e waste dump.

>>3704248
>a non 100hz consumer set

I cry everytime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuucbmT-vKk

>>3704236
Are you retarded? They ask to make sure it isn't 100hz/HD/security monitor. Keep in mind CRTs aren't easy to move unless they 13 inches so no one wants to go through the trouble if it's shit or a bad model with only RF on the back.

Quit being a sperg and projecting your guilt about being a lazy shithead who wastes his disposable income onto other people.
Also if you honestly recommend that people ship these glass whales where the only thing holding the convergence together is some dabs of 20 year old caulk then you really couldn't be more ignorant.

I'm in this thread all the damn time and the people who ask about CRT listings aren't asking because they are simply frugal.

>>3704270
Not him but how do you know if a CRT is 100hz or not? Does it say on the back?

>>3704274
Sometimes.

Sometimes on the front too.

>>3704274

Usually they brag about it on the front

>>3704281
>>3704282
So if I just bought a PVM that says something like 50Hz/60Hz on the back I should be all set, right?

>>3701596
It's either KURISUMASU or CHRISTMAS NOT CRISMASU!!!

This look worthwhile?
https://cleveland.craigslist.org/ele/5936335594.html

>>3704290

Ask him for the model number to see if it's 100hz.

But seriously guys just stopping by the local e-waste and telling them you need a telly is the easiest way.

>>3704285
More likely it's referring to the mains inlet frequency.

Tread carefully, anon.

Post more CRTs dang it I need to a little more to convincing putting the old tubes back in action.

>>3704296
>Ask him for the model number to see if it's 100hz.

It won't be with that chassis. Hi-Scans and Super Fine Pitches never used it.

It looks like a KV-32FVxx to me, but I done been wrong before.

>>3704347
You're wrong this time too m8.

>>3704290
It's a KV-32FS120

>>3704374
Damn, I was thinking it might be, but I second guessed myself because the last FS I saw had a different chassis that is used for Hi-Scans.

>>3704386
You mean like the 320 on the left?

Yeah that does indeed look FV-ish

>>3704285
>PVM
The 100hz problem only applies to european consumer TVs

>>3704405
Light guns work on US 100hz sets?

>>3704414
>
There are no US 100hz sets

>>3704417

Really?

>>3704417
>>3704426

Now that I read into how nice for you yanks.

I really like the aesthetics of late era CRTs but 100hz shit was always a deal breaker for me.

How is 120hZ any less shit?

>>3704446
120hz does not apply to consumer TVs
100hz TVs are a problem because it is a symptom of digital processing.

>>3704463
So you're saying that frame doubling was never a thing in NTSC regions?

>>3702105
Just emulate.

What does the aperture setting pvm do exactly?

>>3704710
*on a pvm

>>3704474
There are "HD" sets in the US that will scale 480i up to 480p/1080i, but they remain displaying at 60hz overall. This sort of thing also causes input delay and are incompatible with light guns, but aren't nearly as prevalent as just "standard" 100hz sets were in the EU.

>>3704710
Equivalent to a sharpness filter in your image manipulation program of choice. It artificially sharpens the picture; Perhaps with some signals/pictures it would looks decent, but it usually just ends up throwing ringing artifacts all over the place.

>>3704320
CRTs themselves, or photos of games?

If the latter, any requests?

>>3703274
>making note of which pins double as S-Video for NTSC
Do you mean no S-Video on a PAL Wii is a software only limitation?

Is 9 inch too small for a PVM? I have no experience with these things, will mainly be using it for PS1

>>3705119
Are you used to sitting a foot away from a really small TV? Then no. If not, it'll seem really small.

Is it possible to use Custom Resolution Utility to output at 15kHz from a newer NVidia card under windows 7, or will i need a dongle like for Soft15kHz? If it is possible, any tips as to how? I keep getting a a side-by-side double image (so 480p) while windows is reporting 30Hz.

Any tutorial for CRU in general?

>>3704726
Works for S-Video and Component, and possibly composite, but not RGB. It sort of attenuates the signal to make the bloom around each phosphor less, like you're narrowing each aperture in the grille. Which you're not, obviously. It can make the image seem a bit clearer, but it also dulls things down.

>>3701928
A little, yes. They shit all over Sony, from what I can tell.

>>3703467
Sorry, i got confused about what you wanted. Buying a SCART cable is much easier. If you do want to build, lurk moar, and do some reading. It's not hard once you know which wire goes where, but even packing a SCART plug is hard if you've never built a cable before.

>>3705119
>>3705125
But up close, it'll be awesome. Model? Price?

So, this is a troll thread, right?

Half of these photos are Retroarch with shaders and you can't even tell lol

>>3705119

If you're okay with playing games on a handheld console, then a 9" PVM should be no problem.

>>3705269

Provide evidence to your claim, otherwise go away.

>>3701928
I have one 14 inch.

Is there much of a difference between RGBs and Component at 240p/480i?

>>3705636
Depends on the console and monitor.

For instance, in my own set-up, Component, S-Video, Composite, and RF are my only inputs. So RGB has to be converted to Component anyway. On older consoles that directly output RGB, yeah, this is fine. But it isn't worth the trouble for me to get RGB out the consoles that I can find dedicated Component cables to use with.

Personally, I find the RGB color palette to be a bit too strong, for lack of a better term anyway. It looks inauthentic to me. Maybe this is because I have already invested so much into my current set-up, but I am pretty happy with it regardless.

>>3702105
>>3705774
>Personally, I find the RGB color palette to be a bit too strong, for lack of a better term anyway.

Do you mean oversaturated or "baby/fischer price colors"?

>>3705485
pics in use when

Is this good?

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pho/5915205425.html

>>3705929
not for this price

Would one of the FW900 anons post a pic of Super Mario Bros? The one I bought ($330 total) is in the mail, and I can barely wait. I'm anxious to find out whether I like the sharpness or not in person.

Also, anything special I should know about WinDAS before using it?

>>3705636
For all intents and purposes they're near indistinguishable from each other and are supposed to produce identical results. It's not worth interchanging for any reason, just go for what's more convenient for your setup/region.

How do I access the service menu on a PVM-14N2A?

>>3705875
>"baby/fischer price colors"

That's actually a pretty accurate description of my thoughts on RGB, and the main reason I cannot stand most HDTVs. It seems that everyone who buys an HDTV leaves the original settings alone and it looks like a god damned cartoon instead of a football* game or what have you.

*I don't watch this shit. But when you go out to a bar, it's always fucking on another screen no matter which way you turn.

>>3705929
Go on eBay; you can get those size PVMs way cheaper than this one. Sellers usually don't mind posting them either, due to them being fairly light (considering it's a CRT).

>>3706190
Hold down enter and press menu.

Be warned though. It's bare-bones and not exactly intuitive.

>>3703130
Put Barret in the back row dumbass.

>>3705890
I can drag it out of the storage unit whenever. Got any requests?

>>3705636
The difference between RGB and Component SHOULD be simply the colorspace. This isn't always true due to the varying quality of conversion hardware available. The best component stuff should be indistinguishable from RGB. The absolute worst may exhibit color or fringing issues.

>>3706554
i don't, know...
panel close-up since they have lots of buttons IIRC, connectors, a grid for geometry...

Toshiba 14AF42 from 2006
Composite to Component w/ S-Video
14 inches
Looks like triangle shadow mask

Archiving with image.

>>3705929
If he dropped a zero maybe. I like having my 8 incher but it's a desk rider at best.

>>3706780
>>3705929
8 inches is way too small in my opinion,
Even 13 inches is really the limit and 14 to 20 inches is ideal
The difference between 13 and 14 inches is really phenomenal
IMO, the best size is 15 inches, you can play from a distance and up-close and see most of the details.
A CRT gets way too heavy and impractical past 21 inches.

But if you're planning to play multiplayer split screen you should definitely get a 24 inches CRT.

Also my penis is 6.5 inches and I still have insecurities about it.

It's too small and too expensive.

>>3706797
>A CRT gets way too heavy and impractical past 21 inches.
I'd push that up to 24 inches personally. A 24'' CRT is heavy, but still decently manageable for a single person to lift. Once you move up to 27'' is where things start getting too unwieldy.

>>3707039
seconded

those 27" WEGAs are hell

I would much prefer a nice curved 24" but it seems like 27" is way more common.

24" is also the sweet spot for uniform convergence

>>3707039
>>3707078
What a bunch of babies 28" is minimum

>>3707084
>Not going up to at least 32''
What are you even doing with your life?

>>3706310
Does it at least have a geometry adjustment option?

>>3707097
You need a nice good old huge ass bench from the 60-80s for those sets

>>3707128
Oh sure but you'll need to decipher the codes.

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=43833

As always make sure you record the initial settings prior to fiddling.

>>3707148
I technically have a table that could support the Megaview(and has previously held the 32'' Sony, and at another time the 27'' HD Sony+20'' PVM), but I'm don't think it would be possible to actually get up to the attic. It's also currently a bit busy with my neglected 20M2MDU and flatscreen.

Is the jump from S-video to Component that huge? i recently discovered S-video input on my TV, but no component. I'm not too enthusiastic about getting another TV that supports component.

>>3707228
noticiable but not huge. The main incensitive to seek a component set is for 480p and above.

>>3707039
This. Though the exception to this would be sets with extra hardware. Built in vcrs add a tooooooon of weight sometimes.

>>3707570
BVMs must have neutron stars inside (or nibbler shit balls). They weight as much as a +2 step sized regular CRT.

>>3707654
That's what you get for building things almost entirely out of heavy gauge sheet metal.

>>3707663
>>3707654
You're fucking right. The larger 25-inch Profeel monitor I have weighs less than my D24E. I've lifted the Profeel up to neck height. The D24E I haven't attempted to lift yet, out of fear for my own safety.

Part of the Profeel's advantage is sick telescoping handles that come out of the top and slide back in almost seamlessly.

Shout out to my fellow KV-36FV310 owners.

I recently acquired a second one because the first had a slight horizontal bow, and wouldn't you know it? It's even worse on this new set!

I'm not mad though. I have to open it up and tweak some focus and convergence issues anyway. I think adjusting the beam landing would fix this, but I am uncertain. Could anyone who knows better let me know?

Since this is a back-up, I figure I'll go ahead and use it as an experimental crash course in using the service manual as a guide to make physical adjustments. Should be informative.

Just got this.

Whats the easiest way to connect an original Famicom to a PVM?

>>3708283
Through a VCR

>>3708283
That's what's going on in this shot, RF in, composite out, and also RF out to a shitty USB TV tuner for awful screenshots.

>>3708286
So from the Famicom, through the RF switcher to the VCR, then out of the VCR with composite cables, into BNC cables then into the PVM? I've never hooked anything up to mine with composite, only s-video so I'm not 100% sure on what I would need
>>3708287
That quality looks really good, probably because it's a still image though.

>>3708291
My PVM only does composite and S-vid, so I just did a single BNC male to RCA female for the composite connection. The Famicom was built from the ground up for composite, so it looks as good as it can via RF on the original Fami, you'd be surprised. My AV Famicom looks excellent over composite on a good monitor.

>>3708291
>>3708301
I don't know why I keep forgetting pics, sorry for cluttering.

>>3708301
So would I just buy this http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Pack-Lot-BNC-Male-Plug-to-RCA-Female-Jack-Coax-Cable-Video-Adapter-Connector-/400973892169?hash=item5d5be80a49:g:abkAAOSwDNdVxPuI to get video and audio to it from the VCR?

>>3708328
That's the guy.

>>3707228
its the same except if you have severe autism
Also S-Video and RGB is the fucking same thing

What matters is TV lines.

>>3701596
I have a little 5 inch CRT, a KEC 5BNL2. It is powered by 12 volts of DC power.

The picture is wavy. A slow transverse wave travels from the top of the screen to the bottom.

I suspect this is being caused by the AC to 12V DC power brick being a Chinese piece of shit and not having a smooth output. Does anyone have any other theories?

>>3708631
Forgot to post pic

>>3707228

I put a lot of time and effort into find a TV with component so I could "upgrade" from s-video, and I was very disappointed when I finally did because it looks exactly the same unless you have OCD or something.

>>3708287
Do you have the name of the capture card? If it's cheap it might be fun to record some gameplay off real hardware.

>>3708456
no it's not.

also I dug up this from something I took a while ago. Ikegami TM14-17R.

Ikegami > Sony

>>3708705
hateboner is the worst way to express an opinion (ツ)

>>3708735
I too interpret opinions differing from mine as absolute hatred that must be removed from this world, now I have to go to sleep I have a liberal arts class in the morning

>tfw no PVM with VGA directly

Would've been convenient

>>3708740
vga isn't too common so it's not a big deal

>>3704265
I didn't think it was a big deal, then I saw what looked like PVMs and 32" Wegas, and I shed a few of my own.

>tfw there's good PVMs in my area for 100 bucks like the 14L2 and 14M2U
>tfw I keep chasing the dream of getting an L5 for cheap instead

Multiformat is a big thing for me, I got a lot of Gamecube and Wii stuff

>>3708280
Fuck me that's hawt.

The one things that pisses me off about Ikegamis is the lack of exterior red gain control! There's a pot inside on my little unit, and probably that one too.

>>3708456
While I admit S-Video is nice, especially compared to RF or Composite, you are very wrong about it being the same as RGB.

You are also wrong about TVL to some degree, but that may be more of a preference thing. I myself have seen some older, low TVL sets display 240p games which looked great.

I bought pic related yesterday.

Is is good for psx/ps2?

this is unrelated, but it had an hdmi port too

>>3709161
>psx
Not particularly

>PS2
For the few games that support 480p/can be forced into 480p and work properly.

>>3709161
If it has HDMI it's useless for /vr/

Sorry

>>3709161
>>3709176
>>3709178
Some of those toshiba's support 480i which is great for ps2.

>>3709243
Surely they upscale it and introduce lag though, right?

>>3708696
It's an older EyeTV for Mac that someone gave me, I also have a EasyCap DC60++ (one of the million cheap ones on Amazon) that works OK as well. I mean, they capture at 480i and look like ass, but they're easy and fun to daisy-chain from a PVM etc. Pic related, a particularly awful PC Engine shot via RF.

>>3708705
God I do like ikegamis, but I just have a thing for the Sony grills. Probably been a trinitron user for too long

>>3709248
I never noticed on any HS or SPF SONY I had. 3D games always looked and played great, to be honest. But yeah, they kind of feel off for 2D stuff.

>>3709340
Honestly doesn't look that bad, it seems like it would be a fun and easy way to stream Famicom games for some bros.

>>3709460
That pic is probably the worst one I've taken with it; it is quite passable for streaming. Here's another slightly better shot.

>>3708705
Holy shit Princess Crown!

/r/ more Saturn CRT pics. Beautiful 2D sprite art. Just got an import Saturn + games and I can't wait to get some nice pics.

>>3709510

Ask and ye shall receive

is it normal for a video monitor to have a slight wiggle? I picked up a TM-H1700 after using nothing but Sylvanias my whole life and when I plugged my PS2 s video cable into it and fired it up i noticed things were a bit shaky but got better when i sat back about 2 feet. I tried looking at the on screen menu without the s-video cable in and it wasn't quite as pronounced but it was still there.

>>3709510
sure, have a few more from my Ikegami HTM-2050R. I also have plenty from my BVM-D14H5U.

>>3709510

>>3709510
this is from my bvm d14-h5u

>have a CRT with focus, purity, and bowing issues
>think maybe I'll learn something if browse CRT
>nope
>get frustrated and decide to open the thing up and have a look
>watch a youtube vidya of a scrapper showing how to delicately remove the yolk for copper
>fear for my life that every thing I touch, brush, or nudge will electrocute me or cause the screen to explode in my face
>gingerly use his technique to loosen the yolk up and play around with it while looking in a mirror
>HOLY SHIT, THIS COULD WORK
>set all screen adjustments to or near the middle in the service menu
>readjust yolk for realz dis time
>make some minor service menu adjustments
>solves 90% of the problems the CRT had with zero noticeable downsides
>didn't even died
>lives to post another day
>everyone wishes he fucking died anyway

Saturn's Hi-Res mode is gorgeous. RGB king.

>>3709510

>>3709510
the 3D games may be an acquired taste, but growing up with games that looked as good or a lot of times, worse than this has made it appealing. I have a real admiration for how they got this stuff working and nailing that style down.

>>3709510

>>3709510
that's all for now. Feel free to make any requests. I have Ikegami htm-2050R, TM-1417R, BVM-D14H5U, PVM-1351Q, Panasonic S-915DA, and a Panasonic M-1310Y if you have any requests, and pretty much every Saturn game available.

>>3709243
>>3709248
Toshiba HD CRTs will introduce lag when upscaling ( a metric ton of it in my experience).
I recommend them for HD systems only if at all (If you really really just need to have that crt feel). Toshiba HD CRTs are heavy as fuck.

Is there any way of fixing geometry? Or at least make it better?

>>3709956
You can try the service menu for your set to adjust it, but you'll probably never get it perfect.

>>3709956
Do what this >>3710018 anon said if it's something you can live with.

If it isn't something you can live with, and you're going to trash it and start looking for a replacement, then I would implore you to try adjusting the yoke yourself and after setting the screen adjustments in the service menu to neutral. After making the physical adjustments, put the finishing touches on it with the service menu options.

I recently did this myself to a TV I was about to throw out, and to my surprise it looks pretty damned good as a result. Now I'll not only be keeping it, but I'm looking at other CRTs in a whole new light.

I think my S-video cable is the cause of at least some of the problems I'm having, the picture itself is a little wavy but that's only noticeable if you're sitting really close and looking for it. It happens even without anything connected, so I'm guessing it's just going to be a fact of life, although I haven't tried any consoles other than PS2 yet.Is it worth returning the s-video cable I just bought and getting one like this instead? It's only $6 more than the one I bought.

>>3710107
That's not something that would be caused by a cable, as far as I understand it.

>>3710117
Could it just be because the PS2 isn't 240p? I only booted one PS1 game so far but it wasn't quite as pronounced. Honestly if it's just a quirk of the screen I won't care, but if it's fixable by getting a different cable or something I will. The fact that it still happens without anything connected just on the menu is probably proof that it's the screen itself.

I think I'm thinking of it too much like an LCD, even though it's a huge step up from my old TV it's still a CRT and it won't be 100% perfect.

I booted up another PS2 game and it looks far better, I honestly can't even see the wobbling anymore. The checkered thing is still pretty noticeable on character models, so I'm assuming that's the cable's fault. Still looks incredible, though.

>>3701891
Sony's best Trinitrons were in the early to mid 2000s, you cro-magnon hillbilly.

>>3702042
Don't be a retard, anon. The point of a Framemeister is the fact that most HDTVs make a fucking mess of 240p/480i signals. If you just ran CONSOLE>SCART>HDMI>TV it would still look like dogshit. Ugh I don't even use a Framemeister I just get so mad seeing people be adament about their willful ignorance and spreading their stupidity and misinformation like influenza.

>>3708456
Lolwat


The amount of brazen stupidity in this thread is astounding sometimes.

thoughts on bang and olufsen? specifically the mx 7000 and mx 8000 models, and what differences there are between the two

Dang, the Ikegami HTM-2050R doesn't support 480p out of the box. Weird because it has Y/Pb/Pb but for 720p and 1080i only. There's an option board for it, but finding that's gonna be pretty difficult.

>>3710374
MX7000 is a lovefest but I heard that with the MX8000 digital post processing was introduced so avoid it.

>>3710490
which one can de-interlace 480i?
lag or not thats impressive

Got a Trinitron 21x5u for £10

Did I get lucky?

>>3710646
Looks great my man
>>3710246
>this is what flat babbys actually believe

>>3710646
Not particularly.

I got a BVM-20F1E for a tenner BIN on eBay a few months back.

>>3710646
Damn, did you make adjustments to that? If not, that is pretty lucky.

>>3710490
hmmm... cant see anything about post-processing with the mx 8000 here: https://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=643

unless youre thinking of "visionclear", but the mx 7000 also seems to have that

>>3710835

I dunno but I found this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67-zRVsHhjk

>>3710837
thats really unfortunate... with the mx 7000 you can end up with models from all the way back to 1993, since not every seller will list the serial number...

>>3710846
At least you can find the MX 4000-7000 range around this area all I can find are these

https://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=526

>>3710847
all models seem to be pretty common on the german ebay/ ebay marketplace and dont go for very much (except for the mx 8000)

>>3710853
I am pretty much forced to drive in to the capital to pick up anything "less common"

I will probably end up doing it to be done with it.
Just have to think of a way to put in a CRT again in my home without it looking like shit.

Is it possible to capture the footage off of one of those nice pvm or bvm crts and have them look exactly as they do on screen? It would be nice to see gameplay footage of games on youtube that aren't just obvious emulator gameplay.

>>3709906
How do you feel about the Panasonic S-915DA? Do you think it'd be worth it to buy one for ~$100?

>>3711074
You can capture 240p from it's outputs

the scanlines are a result of it being displayed on a CRT. they arent actually a part of the image

you could probably add them in some editing software (after being upscaled that is)

>>3702105
RF, composite, and S-video (NTSC and PAL) have the same colourspace as RGB (RGB), they just have muted/worse colours because of multiplexing RGB into fewer cables.

PAL has better colour accuracy than NTSC, especially in red colours but it has worse framerate and most games were not designed for PAL.

Component uses a different colourspace than RGB (YUV). It looks different and its personal preference which is better. You can adjust the your CRT or YUV transcoder box to suit your tastes.

You can reduce the saturation to have NTSC shades with RGB sharpness but it probably won't be fully accurate.

Why buy an expensive PVM when you can get a cheap PC CRT monitor and an RGB to VGA converter box/scanline generator?

>>3710107
Get component cables for your ps2

>>3711260
One's plug and play, one's not.

>>3711260
Because line doubling will add enough lag to make light guns not work.

>>3711265
PVMs are hardly plug & play. Yall should be more like >>3710646 and be on the hunt for good consumer sets rather than spend hundreds on your "grail" on eBay.

>>3711260
The GBS-8200 reads 240p as 480i so you have some issues with how shadows are displayed and sharpness.
if you want to use a PC CRT and have it actually look good you want one of those DVDO processors with the rare 240p card
or a OSSC
>>3711269
literally Line doubling adds zero lag
scaling is a different story
>>3711273
this
20" is just too small

>>3711273
I basically only play Famicom, so my PVMs are very much plug and play. Composite is love, composite is life. And I love good consumer sets, but my living situation dictates 9" or smaller for the time being and PVMs that size are typically better quality and not very expensive.

Is $180 too much to pay for an Ikegami TM14-17R? I've heard really good things about them, but are they more comparable to PVM's or BVM's? I've seen them go for cheap on past listings, but I don't really want to wait for months on end to get one.

>>3711074
It's doable, but not terribly easy to get it captured well. Expect to do some editting in post to clean things up a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vivr_svyk-E

>>3711282
Not judging you because I don't know you. And I think I could be pretty happy if one of my only options for recreation was to play games solely from the NES/Famicon library for the rest of my days.

But if I could not afford the resources (space, money, etc.) for what I actually desire in my own life, it would be a red flag for me to spend less time on recreation and more time hustling to get the other shit in my life sorted.

>>3711279
>literally Line doubling adds zero lag
literally wrong

>>3711529
Line doubling if done right does not lag.

Scalers will always have some lag.

>>3711340
I think that is a little too expensive. If you are looking at an ebay listing, try lowballing an offer for like, $100 and see if that brings you closer to a more reasonable <$150 range.

They support component RCA and RGB (do not be fooled, component RCA is only for 480i, not 480p or anything higher.) The actual quality is very different from Sony monitors. The image is noticeably more "organic" and the roundness shadowmasks produce has its own appeal. They are comparable and even better than PVM/BVMs (they are in the same class as BVMs - they were film studio equipment by and large)

>>3711103
It's a cute monitor I got for I think $40 after shipping. Good quality, RGB is always a bonus but I got that one purely for fun and novelty as opposed to anything frequent. I'd really suggest 13"+ monitors for actual regular use.

>>3711505
>Not judging you because I don't know you

kek, way to be a fucking douchebag dude. I'm not poor nor is my life in some sort of disarray as you seem to assume. I was implying that I spend most of my retro gaming time on my CRTs playing Famicom, and I don't give a shit about RGB on consoles that weren't designed for it. As far as space goes, I live in a major city in a one-bedroom apartment with my girlfriend and 'large' apartments are pretty pricey, even with a good job. I have a 14" PVM, I just wanted another set that would fit on my desk better. No one needs your fedora-tier self-help lessons on 4chan of all places.

>>3711505
You should really try and refrain from making assumptions about others' income, it makes you look like an asshat. I'm not poor nor is my life in some sort of disarray as you seem to believe based on literally 3 sentences I wrote. I was implying that I spend most of my retro gaming time on my CRTs playing Famicom, and I don't give a shit about RGB on consoles that weren't designed for it. As far as space goes, I live in a major city in a one-bedroom apartment. I have a 14" PVM, and I just bought a second, smaller PVM that would fit on my desk better. Nobody wants to hear your self-help seminars in a CRT general.

>>3711535
Line doubling is scaling. It's just the least laggy kind.

>>3711631
Line doubling has no frame buffer. That's the difference.

If done correctly a line doubler wont lag. (no i dont count less than a ms)

>mfw you spent hundreds of dollars and years of your life persuing your autistic idea of a "perfect picture" to play baby games

>>3711743
Pleb

>>3711263
My monitor only has s-video and composite, though

>>3711743
Hobbies are fun. You remember fun, don't you?

How do Commodore 1701 monitors compare to CRT TVs, PVMs, and PC VGA monitors?

Is it an acceptable substitute for a composite professional monitor?

Assume the use of composite or composite filter for PC.

What is a good price for one?

There are separate luma and chroma jacks in the back. Does this mean it can display S-video with the use of a splitter cable?

>>3711812
>Is it an acceptable substitute for a composite professional monitor?
Yes.

>Does this mean it can display S-video with the use of a splitter cable?
Yes, and such cables are readily available.

Any recommendations for SCART switches?

I know the Hama one pictured in >>3701627 is good, but I want to see if anyone's tried the other ones more commonly listed on Amazon and Ebay like Electrovision and videolab.

>>3711809
>spending money and autistically obsessing over the image quality of kid toys is a hobby
Holy shit lmao.

>>3701923
Isn't this a MD game? How are you connecting it with s-video?

What settings should I change in my service menu to get a clearer picture?

>>3712089
Mod or perhaps using a Wii.

>>3712089
>>3712184
yep, s-video modded MD

>>3711982
this one works nicely and is 5 inputs.

Can some one list off the PVM's with RGB and S-video that are 8 to 14 inches?

>>3712023
It's my money to spend. Why does this bother you so much?

>>3708280
>Dem Cotton mugs
Noice.

>>3712376
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/wiki/speclist

>>3712393
Just ignore the /v/ tourists on school break

they'll leave soon enough

>>3712464
Thanks for that.

>>3712502
Was looking at getting maybe a PVM-8041Q

>>3705203
>CRU
Bump. I've read in previous threads that you can use it to get 15kHz. Is it possible on Nvidia cards?

>>3712464
>https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/wiki/speclist
Interesting and helpful, but not nearly complete for Sony, let alone the other 15kHz brands and sets.

>>3702284
Game?

>>3712536
Is that an offer to finish it off?

Thanks, anon!

>>3712536
Obviously a work in progress, and a community effort at that. If you feel like contributing, you're more than welcome to.

Don't even need to make an account there if you don't want to, I'd be more than happy to add the changes myself.

And, at least for the Sony stuff, it's got a good portion of the stuff people are likely to find out and about, and or would find useful for retrogaming. Not too much of a point to adding the F24U when it's only for the higher resolution broadcast signals and you'd have to jump through hoops to get a console to display on it, or various HDVS monitors.

>>3712669
it would be actually, as it would explain why bidding $1000 on a CineAlta is a bad idea.

What a nice tube.

>>3712742
>auto chromatic aberation instagram filter
what's not to like

You guys aren't lying about the input lag problem on modern TVs. I tried playing a reflex intensive game on my LCD screen and it was basically unplayable. CRT for life

>>3710073
How did you make the physical adjustments?

>>3711812
they are great and they look even greater

>>3712819
See >>3709875.

Also adjusted the focus potentiometer.

While I did mess with the magnetic rings a bit, nothing was better than their original position. If there is no stripe of white paint showing the original alignment, use a permanent marker or something to mark one before you start touching things so you have a reference point.

Most of my issues were caused by a badly sagging yoke, which was also a bit tilted.

It actually blows my mind how easy this shit is to fix. Like, at no time was I actually at risk of being electrocuted despite having the TV on so I could see what the adjustments made were doing. Though I suppose I could have accidentally broken the neck and caused the tubed to explode. But just be careful and use common sense. Loosen the yolk by twisting and never try to bend or lean on it or apply that kind of force to it and you're good.

>>3713367
>Though I suppose I could have accidentally broken the neck and caused the tubed to explode.
Actually that's the part they break at recycling center to make sure that the CRT does NOT explode.

Should I buy my SCART cables from Retro Gaming Cables, or can I just buy them from the random sellers on ebay?

Does anyone have any experience with getting a CRT from a recycling/waste facility?

Do they typically just trash CRTs and Plasmas without checking if they work?

>>3714043
Yes and yes.

>>3713985
You shouldn't buy scart cables at all.

>>3712350
I'll look for one of those if I ever need more inputs. I think I'll get the Hama one for now, since it's got the stereo out and I only have 3 consoles that use scart.

what would be the best way to hook up my computer to a CRT?

I'm too poor to collect. or would a Wii/PS3 be preferable?

>>3714048
Im guessing you got one and it was broken?

>>3714206
Wii is the easiest/cheapest/most convenient way of emulating on a CRT

>>3714206
VGA input to a VGA monitor. Most tower computers have them so I expect that yours does too. If you want a CRT TV for the authentic appearance, you could use a Wii or a Raspberry Pi.

>>3714216
no 240p with pi

>>3714262
You can do 240p with VGA or you can do it with NTSC. The Pi supports both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Video

>>3714326
To be specific, you need a cheap HDMI to VGA adapter + a config.txt selecting a 240p mode. You can't use the composite out.

Just bought one of these and I'm completely new to this. What am I in for?

>>3714768
I'm still mad that those go for 10~20 time the price they were just a year a a few month ago.

>>3714774
Yeah it was pretty expensive, but I saw some pretty comfy photos of this thing setup online and decided why not. Should I use composite or RGB?

>>3714768
You're in for one of the sexiest monitors ever made

>>3714796
I see

>>3714802
That's the pic, seriously so fucking radical. Would love one of those on my desk.

>>3714793
RGB all the way m8.
As for the price, there's no way to justify the fact it's sold for around 120€ when even higher-end sony kx monitors like the kx-21 and kx-27 are sold for less. I aint buying one till I find one with a price within the range of what was available only a year before (10~15 buck).

>>3714813
Looks awesome. Is he using the reqular cables to get that picture? Or something else

>>3714818
No idea, I've only seen those pics on here and eBay, I think the owner may have a retro game storefront, or someone is stealing their photos. I'm going to assume RGB, if the monitor and console both support it, why not?

>>3714817
OK thanks! I'll make sure to post pictures of it whenever it gets in.

>>3714820
>or someone is stealing their photos.
They are, the owner of the set used to post in these threads a bunch of years ago (3, 4?), he also posted other pics as well as a whole video.

>>3714832
Lame, the listings on eBay were of like consoles too, so doubly lame since they aren't showing the actual product they're selling...

>>3714832
That guy is definitely on eBay though.

I've seen multiple listings for different monitors with the exact same desktop and blinds.

K mates, you guys have been very helpful so far but I have a few questions.

I bought a 24 inch sony wega trinitron the other day off of craigslist, and I'm really liking it so far. I have my Wii hooked up with component cables and my emulated games look pretty gud on it.

I also use my pspgo on it with component cables to play PSX games.

But I have one question....is there a way to make the scanlines more pronounced or what? It didn't come with a remote controller and the universal remote that I have wont let me go to service menu. Should I buy on original wega remote? Will that even work?

Also, can I hook up my laptop to my TV through component? It would make playing PSX-PS2 games way more convenient.

>>3714885
That's what I was thinking. Definitely an appealing space/rig.

You sick fucks seem to think the pleasure of playing retro games resides in a rectal display.

Absolutely abhorrent

>>3714992
Very few of us have actual medical monitors from what I've seen.

>>3714992
>not playing Intestinal Distress on a medical monitor

r8

apologies for shit iPhone camera

>>3715000

How come my 'scanlines' look more like little rectangles?

>>3714818
Official Sony SCART cables, I BELIEVE.

He also has(or had) a 20M4E.

>>3714820
>>3714832
>>3714870
>>3714885
>>3714982
They go by speedlolita. Don't know whether they still post anywhere around here, but you can find them on twitter.

>>3714818
>>3714820

>>3715064
That's the shot I saw on eBay, haha. I'm so insanely jealous of that whole rig.

>>3714148
Here's your "(You)"

Now run along, you little scamp.

Got my setup working thanks to you guys.

>>3714768
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>>3714813
Holy fuck, how have I not heard of this?? What model is it, and why is it so expensive? It looks super old, but that photo makes it look like it has a damn amazing picture.

>>3714768
>>3714793
Was that the one in Salisbury which used to be rigged up to a microscope?

>>3715000
Sideways/10

>>3715001
Composite/10

>>3715003
Bretty gud/10

>>3715095
Nevermind, just noticed the model number in the pic, did some googling like a damn adult. That's a sick-ass monitor. Also a sick ass-monitor. Heh.

>>3714802
>that pic
>so comfy...
>..?
>is that?
>is that bubble wrap, anon?
>da fuk?

>>3714978
Maybe, depending on the model, but you probably will not like it. I didn't.

Anyway, there is a setting in the service menu (INTL - interlace) which seems to control the density of the scanlines. I leave it at 0 on my TVs, but have tried turning it all the way up to 3, the highest setting. While 0 or 1 looks nice, 2 and 3 look... less nice. They appear to add artifacts similarly to cranking up sharpness, and I just don't care for it.

>>3714802
Found it:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Duo-R-RGB-Turbo-Duo-R-JP-US-Region-free-TG-16-PCE-SCART-HDMI-BONUSES-/122076757523?hash=item1c6c577e13:g:5LMAAOSwT5tWLRZk

>>3715280
Kek at the contrast between the first image and all the others.

>>3715284
>Taking eBay shots on a stained sheet

>remembered I still had a CRT tv laying around in the attic
>apparently my dad sold it many years ago
How do you even acquire a CRT tv if you're a poorfag student without a car living in Europe?

>>3715397
You find one on the street and carry it home. That's what I did in college.

>>3715397
Does Europe have thrift stores? You could try that.

Also, craigslist or something similar. You can use uber or a taxi to get to where you need to be.


Literally just type in "CRT" in the craiglist of your area. Or be more specific and type "wega" or "trinitron" or one of the many other good reputation brands

Good luck man

Anyone know how to force N64 emulators on a homebrewed Wii to output 240p to my CRT? NES and SNES look fine, but for some reason the N64 emu only seems to output in 480i, and I'm not digging it.

About to buy this SCART cable for my PS1.
It's 3rd Party but it works on all region PS1 consoles. (I have the US) It says its for Europe type SCART TV/Monitors. (which I have).
So I'm I good to go?
Also does it matter which SCART cable I get?
Its from Hong Kong and only 8 bucks

>>3715481
Don't fall for the scart meme.

>>3715485
Why the fuck are you here? You're so painfully stupid. You're standing there screaming in the street that the sky is green. Dumbass.

>>3715481
>Its from Hong Kong and only 8 bucks
When it comes to SCART cables beware of chinkshit stuff.

>>3715510
Will this thing just stop working like weeks later or.... Are we talking DOA

>>3715481
>Its from Hong Kong and only 8 bucks
Don't get it. Cheap-ass chink cables like that are poorly insulated and cause signal interference. You can expect audio feedback when there are a lot of bright colors on the screen.

>>3715519
We're talking noise and interference. SCART is prone to poor signal separation with good cables, so bad ones are likely to have issues. They will function though.

>>3715523
>>3715527
Any recommendations for (US) PS1 playing on a European Monitor?

>>3715546
Is the monitor able to take NTSC signals? If so, just SCART it up. Otherwise, no idea.

>>3715510
Beware of SCART is more like it.

>>3715485
>>3715564

>>3715481
it's shit, but you can mcguyver the plugs with a better cable, and wire it with luma as sync.

If it's too much, just go with that RGC ebay girl, as she has a pretty good rep.

Finally got a crt.
>Not pvm
Will at least hold out until I find one.

>>3715407
>it was a 36" model
>he carried it over a mile

>>3715523
>like the developers intended

>>3715781
lol not what I was implying, the ones I found/carried were usually 20" or less. And the one time I got a gigantic furniture style wood cased TV I had some frat boys move it in their van.

>>3715781

It's not SCART, but what do you CRT pros think about the Toshiba TIMM? (MM20E45) Any idea about the resale value? I'm moving soon and want to unload to reinvest in another CRT.

>>3715102
>Composite/10
It's the NES anon. That's the way it's meant to be played. Now you're going to tell me you use RGB for Genesis too.

>>3715776
looks good to me

>>3715546
RGB all the way, Euro TVs and monitors don't care about 50 or 60Hz Vsync (unless that's super cheap crap that's hardwired to the wall outlet's frequency) and there's no color encoding like PAL or NTSC.
>>3715527
Good shielding isn't enough to make a good SCART cable, your cable needs to have the proper resistors and all that stuff (as well as having the blanking signals wired). A good SCART cable have no noticeable interferences.
>>3716375
Not him, but I wouldn't mind using composite with a NES cause that's the best thing it can output, but for a megadrive, it outputs RGB out of the box, why wouldn't I use it (on top of that Sega shipped the RGB cable along with my console so, well).

>>3716562
>mfw chink shitters connect pin 8 on megadrive scart cables but don't bother with pin 16...

>>3716629
>mfw I have no face

Can anyone tell what model trinitron this is?
He's selling it for $10 but I'm not sure if it would be worth it if it doesn't output RGB

>>3716657
Ask him directly which model it is, I doubt anyone here know every single Sony trinitron model by heart.

>>3716657
It's a KV-1370R. RF and composhite only I'm afraid.

Worth 10 bucks for a giggle though, it looks super 80s cool.

>>3716657
KV-1370R or an extremely similar model.

RF and 1 Composite, with Mono Audio.

Personally, for $10, I'd grab it in an instant. I absolutely love the look of those things, and would be absolutely perfect for older composite only and RF only consoles, and decent for SNES+ over composite.

>>3716668
Speak for yourself lol

>>3716673
>>3716676
alright cool I'm gonna see if he still has it
will post later with pics if successful

>>3716682
ok the sound is fine, but I'm not getting video on any of the channels when I start up a game
this is on composite btw

>>3710141
>...ps2 isn't 240p...

No that honestly wouldn't cause it. It could very well be a screen issue. Sometimes CRT image will shake or wobble which can indicate a laundry list of potentially dying or dead parts which usually starts and ends with bad caps. I have those same cables for my setup and they are phenomenal .

If you're not horribly attached to the screen or inclined to fix it I'd start looking for another. Usually it gets worse from here unless it's fixed.

>>3716761
Do you have the remote?

It'd usually be on 3 or 4 if you were using RF but composite usually means they have a separate Video 1 input channel.

Use the remote or run out to radioshack, target, etc etc etc. and buy the 15 dollar universal remote and set it up for the tv. Then hit INPUT once and it should pop right up.

>>3716761
In addendum sometimes you can change the channel to the input through the settings menu. I know this was true for some RCA screens at least but I'm not well versed enough in that particular sony.

Also if you have a Galaxy S5 you can use the remote app for it instead.

>>3710141
>Could it just be because the PS2 isn't 240p?
The PS2 can do 240p just fine.

>>3716767
nah he only had the tv itself, think I'm just going to buy the remote it originally came with on ebay

>>3716761
Press the leftmost grey button. That should presumable toggle between the tuner and the video input.

>>3716772
>>3716761
Alternatively, if you're in the EU, it could be a PAL/NTSC issue, as pretty much all of the information for that model shows US (as such NTSC) related information.

>>3716772
Just out of curiosity is it pronounced like the car brand?

Finally got everything wired up with the 14n5u it needs a little tiny bit of pin cushion adjustment but outside of that it's great for the ten bucks I paid for it. The Toshiba and Wii are in the other room now with the second ps2. I prefer the larger screen for lightgun and dance games.

>>3716792
Less e, more i/y

Kai-uh

>>3716792
I like those handy trays you got for your games.

>>3716938
I am enlightened.
>>3716949
Target. Same place I got the cube shelving. 13 inch cube shelving. Two half dividers for the console side. Four way divider and those handy little bins for games and controller packs. The big bins are controllers and one for cords, batteries, and management stuff.

I'm no collector by any means so I geared towards functionality over trying to display everything.

>>3716964
>I'm no collector by any means so I geared towards functionality over trying to display everything.
Same. I always kept my games in various boxes and drawers. It's much more efficient than displaying them on shelves. Besides, unless games have boxes or cases, they kind of look like shit lined up on a shelf, anyway.

I'll have to hit up my Target. I've been looking for something to hold my SNES games, and that looks perfect.

>>3715641
RGC ebay girl?

Just got a new ridiculously huge Trinitron. Not sure what version it is, but it's a fairly late one I think.

Is this amount of chromatic aberration normal?
Like it's so blurry it kinda makes me my eyes feel physical discomfort.

Is it just the size of the screen that makes it so noticeable and there's nothing to be done?

Mind you my (shitty)camera isn't THAT close to the screen.

Don't remember by shitty old Phillips CRT ever being this bad.

>>3717039
>Is this amount of chromatic aberration normal?
No.

>Is it just the size of the screen that makes it so noticeable and there's nothing to be done?
You can try adjusting the convergence and purity. Search for the service manual for your model.
https://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvcrtpca.htm

>>3717049
Ah. Think I found it. Thanks.

Now I just need to figure out how to decipher these hieroglyphics.

>>3717073
See >>3713367.

I recently adjusted one of my 2 KV-36FV310 Trinitrons. It took me the better part of an afternoon. You will need a large mirror, a strong light source to see what you are doing, a #2 Phillips screwdriver, and maybe a marker.

Make sure you have the complete service manual and it is the correct one for that chassis and model so you can find things easily. It took me a while to find the focus on mine. Do not touch the G2! You will kill your set.

>>3717180
Oh shit, I forgot! You also need some way to send the correct images to make the adjustments. I used a DVD player with AVIA II and a NGC with the 240p suite. Not ideal, but got the job done.

>>3716562
>it outputs RGB out of the box, why wouldn't I use it
Dithering. Games which use it like Sonic 2 (second level especially) and the Lion King look fucked on RGB.

Reason to use composite with NES is that the NES composite is weird and has some visual artifacts, but some games use those visual artifacts like Blaster Master.

>>3717240
Truth be told, a LOT of games use that dithering in some shape or form, often small things unlikely to even illicit notice without really scrutinizing everything.

Shame though, because daddy likes his RGB...

>>3717240
>Dithering. Games which use it like Sonic 2 (second level especially) and the Lion King look fucked on RGB.
Oh you're just parroting that old meme. If dithering techniques really required composite video to work effectively, they wouldn't have used those very same techniques on platforms that only used RGB monitors.

>>3717240
>muh fake transparent pipes

>>3717240
sonic games use minimal amount of vertical dithering. Sonic on RGB far outweights sonic on composhit

>but some games use those visual artifacts like Blaster Master.
you understood nothing about Blaster Master

>>3717289
Even vertical dithering work on RGB monitors. The PC-88 and PC-AT versions of Silpheed use it all the time in EGA mode.

>>3717240
So let's assume that what you're saying is correct, and that the mystical gods of dithering shall cast their disdain upon you because of one or two minor graphical effects that will no longer work 100% as intended... So what? Every other aspect of the graphics looks a million times better, sharper, brighter and more colorful.

Being an oldfag, it's amusing to have documented the cycle of RGB acceptance in the retro community over the past 10 years or so.
>fans of retro games as children now start having full time jobs and disposable income to devote to their hobby
>RGB starts to be sought out as an alternative to RF/composite, since now people realize they look like shit, especially on modern displays
>RGB computer and production monitors are a relatively cheap way to see the highest quality analog signal possible. Similar in quality to old RGB arcade monitors
>Knowledge of RGB monitors begins to spread among casual retro gamers over last 5-7 years
>prices for RGB monitors skyrocket
>people who were late to the game now claim "RGB is shit" to help stifle their shame and anger over missing out on the trend before it became prohibitively expensive.

Really makes you think. I mean, nobody ever went to an arcade back in the day and said "THIS ISN'T HOW IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED! MUH DITHERING!!!". I always wondered why arcade games looked so much better than my home TV, and it wasn't until years later that the internet happened and I could figure it out.