/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3647039
How do I master magic in unlimited ? Should i grind mimics for tablets ?

https://youtu.be/ByxzKis1L-4

>>3647090
nice one desu senpai

>>3647079
There are three ways to get magic tablets in Unlimited.

One way is farming Mimic Slimes with Detect Gold for extra drop rates, that yields any magic tablet except forbidden ones, I personally like to quicken the process even further by using Magic Lock on the first turn to shut them down and then wail on them with Fire Arrow or spears.

Another way is doing adventures with set chests or magic tablets like Leith Torles' Tower, Twin Moon Temple or Fugar's Mansion, again, you get any tablet except forbidden ones, though the more fight you've got on your adventure history the higher the chance of high level tablet yields, which is another reason why you'd like to do Fugar's Mansion ASAP as there's no monsters to fight there.

The third way is fighting special event monsters with Tablet drops, that is Mural monsters in the Mural Caves questline, event Crystal Shard monsters on the Deity's Table, Event Comet monsters on the Starship Anchor and so on, Detect Gold is your friend here too.

If you want to get Forbidden tablets you can get those from Rainbow Guckies, which randomly spawn on New Game+ files, Rainbow Guckies are the toughest normal monster you'll fight in the field by far so don't just jump on them if you happen to find one early on, wait until you are able to fight tough monsters without problems, Forbidden Tablets have particularly strong spells that lead to the strongest possible spells through Magic Blender, so you won't get them without sweating a bit.

If you mean mastering magic as to learning spells quickly, you should simply get on a field with the appropriate elemental reel as landing on the appropriate elemental panel gives you more learning points, if you're trying to learn Wood spells do adventures that take place in a forest, that way the reel will innately have more Wood Panels, if you're learning Fire spells volcanoes or the Escata Palace.
Keep in mind you can also influence reel panels with spells like Rainbringer or Overgrowth.

>>3647135
Late addition just to be perfectly clear about maximizing magic potential:

Your elemental value is more important than your magic value, by far, so concentrate on raising elemental value first and magic value second, L5 Fortuneteller panels are the absolute best in raising elemental value so use those on the right panel of the element you want to raise the most, Phobia panels are a close second but they're Phobia panels so only use them if you know what you're doing or if you want a small additional challenge, they're not as bad as you might think but require more thought. Mastered magic Tablets as in Tablets that have been completely learned, give additional Elemental bonuses related to the Element they're based on, smart Panel formations in forms of lines or Triangles lead to even better Elemental bonuses.

A dedicated mage character can only be used to its fullest by having a Magic Blender panel so you can access the better spells through fusion, the best offensive spells are mostly Fire spells, so a character with a Fire score of 4 is already a good candidate for becoming an offensive mage, support spells don't become more effective with higher Elemental scores.

Mages benefit immensely from equipment with Elemental Support slots, so forge and slap as many pieces of equipment with your preferred Elemental Support on your mages.

If you want to cast Forbidden spells you'll need to forge s piece of equipment from Demonite that has a Forbidden Arts slot, Demonite only appears at higher market ranks in the stores, you can't cast Forbidden spells in any other way as there's no Forbidden Familiar.

If you have any other question,

How is this even acceptable let alone playable.

>>3648370
Such words... even I could!

>>3648370
It's a pretty fun game to play through, though.

It's one of the best entries in the franchise, but it being locked away behind a shitty translation that would make most people cringe is a serious problem.

>>3648370
Because the story is such a minor part of the game. As long as I can see the names of items and wazas I don't care how inane the dialogue is.

>>3648804
you might as well learn katakana and play it in japanese

>>3648924
Extra bonus: Being able to play mods

>>3648370
Beats me.
>>3648598
This Kamsheen, you can't deal with it.

Anyway, Famitsu Scan time, translations will come later

As I thought, Maximius, Urpina's dad is playable, which means we can have the whole Uranius family do a party, except Uranius mom.

The big girl is Irene, pronounced in the italian way I guess so /i'rene/, she's part or the Eraklius family, but I'll explain more of that later.

Forgot to say that the brown girl in the first scan is called Tischsack, or so I think, it's a weird name, the granny is the Great Witch/Daimajou(大魔女), seems this game is fond of addressing characters by titles rather than names.

Seems there's also different great beasts kind of like the four elemental lords from the first RomaSaGa.

And last scan with some detail about the system, at this point I guess these will be the last scans we'll get, but you'll never know, they might sneak in one last article before launch.

15 days left.

Forgot to mention again, the four characters in the last two pages are Marion(One of Arthur girls from Kohan castle), Luna, a secretary of the imperial library like Francis, Youman(Isaac reskin?) and Kumi, which looks a hell of a lot like Ginny Knights.

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1032785.html

Literally Shakespearean

>>3649229
Gee, some of those actors kind of hurt to look at
>Sara doesn't use a bow
I take they've specced her into a Scholar with Maces, yes?

>>3649052
>Irene
CLAIMED
CLAIMED
CLAIMED

I HAVE THRICE NOW CLAIMED HER AS MY WIFE

ANY WHO STAND IN MY PATH SHALL SERVE AS FODDER FOR WAZA SPARKING

>>3649842
Too bad her name is Elaine.

Well then:

Tieschsak's(how the fuck do you even spell this) story:
In the north, at end of the world lives a very peculiar hunter. Her skin is brown due to the glowing snow(look up 雪焼け, it's a funny thing), her small, slit eyes suggest she has ties to the bloodlines of the western nomads but it is unknown why she lives in such a forlorn part of the world. Her name seems to mean "Thousand" and ironically her existence is like a thousand enigmas.

The Great Witch's story:
the "Great Witch" is a particular witch, standing above all the other witches in terms of power and charisma. All the other witches rever her and are guided by her, simply addressing to her as the Great Witch. Her true name has not yet been revealed.
If I got that right by looking at the small screenshot with Taria, it seems that Taria herself was also a witch at some point in her past, but she quit the job to do some FUCKING POTTERY.

Maximius: one of the four generals of the empire, the Sword General and head of the Uranius Family, he's the father of Urpina and Antonius, their mother was Claudia, the Shield General of Erakleos family, she died ten years prior to the events of the game, since then the children have been entrusted to female caretakers.

Irene is the head of the Eraklios/Erakleos family of Shield Generals, she's also the mother of the second son of House Erakleos. As per tradition of the family members being the shields of the Emperor, the Erakleos Family has mixed their bloodline with that of the Norm tribe, obtaining amazing physiques and incredible fitness. Irene isn't an exception with her robust body, blond hair and blue eyes.

Marion: Not much here, she's part of Kohan's castle crew together with Arthur and Patricia, she joins in the beginning of the game during Balmaint's quest, if you're playing as Taria you can recruit her later if you save her from being captured, no words about Urpina or Leonard's quests.

Luna: A secretary from the Imperial Library, just like Francis, she can be seen together with him as a foe in the second trailer fighting against Urpina. She attends an imperial festival of sorts where contenders have to go through various trials such as holding breath

Youman: Former captain of a smuggler's ship. He helps Urpina in travelling through the empire as a stoveaway. "I smuggle for a living, so I'm not a suspicious kind of guy" he says.

Kumi: A pirate(really?) from the Bikiniro province, everyone fears crossing the sea there, thinking a certain ship might appear. "If you betray me, I'll hang you high from the ship's mast!" as you can infer from her behaviour, she's quite the bully.

World lore:
About the heads of the Four Families, they served the former emperor as their trusted generals. The Sword Generals of the Uranius family, The Shield Generals of the Erakleos, the Magicians of the Gwieneuse family and the Bow Generals of the Yanyouji family. Even after the fall of the empire, the four houses continue to rule over four parts of the empire. It is said that by nature, the houses of Uranius and Erakleos are incompatible and can only hardly cooperate with each other, Maximius has plans to restore the Empire to its former glory and reinstate and emperor, as such he decides to march on the devastated city of Aswakan in hope of realizing his dream.

The creatures we'll see in this games are particular spirits that inhabit this world together with other beings, although they're not as powerful as the Star Gods(This world's creators) they still have powers beyond human ken. These spirits will sometime show themselves to the main characters as a threat throughout their adventures. These spirits also appeared during the war against Firebringer, a time when earthquakes were also frequent. Not much is know about the extent of their power.

The Phoenix is the spirit of Fire.
The Earth Snake is the spirit of Earth.
The Black Worm is the spirit of Water.

Now, you can go around the world and engage in all sorts of trades, crafting and even influence a place's culture by trading certain materials. At the beginning of the game for instance you'll be given straw, you can use straw in another place to see what kind of products you might get or create with it.
Furthermore, all lands will have their own variety of native special products, which you can buy and use to create new items, which I suppose you can use in forging or general commerce, together with Crystals.

Regarding the world, each part of it will have different customs, climates, agricultural tradition and cultures in general which in turn will change the goods you'll get, moreover, you'll be able to change the world according to the decisions you'll take throughout your adventure. Thinking "How will the world change if I choose this option" will make your adventures even more exciting.

Welp, hopefully I didn't make many errors, I whipped this up in a rush after work so maybe I've made a few mistakes here and there, I'll also have to head out for dinner soon so I'm sorry if I messed things up, extra apologies for any fuck up.
>>3649895
Her name's Irene, if it was Elaine it would have a ヌ, not a ネ.
See https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRENE

>>3649962
>Welp, hopefully I didn't make many errors, I whipped this up in a rush after work so maybe I've made a few mistakes here and there, I'll also have to head out for dinner soon so I'm sorry if I messed things up, extra apologies for any fuck up.

Thanks for going through with it all for our sake, I enjoy reading up about this and it's making for a great early birthday present.

>Now, you can go around the world and engage in all sorts of trades, crafting and even influence a place's culture by trading certain materials. At the beginning of the game for instance you'll be given straw, you can use straw in another place to see what kind of products you might get or create with it.

Everything is pretty interesting so far, but this one struck me as being the coolest aspect they've discussed in this article.

Scarlet Grace is shaping up to be one hell of a game and I'm looking forward to it while hoping for an English release

Say, Kyodai, they're offering a 1.5 year course near where I live that teaches Japanese with a Japanese instructor. Worth it? y/n

>>3649997
I wish I could do better honestly, but it's not like I have all that time for studying japanese, and progress in such a language isn't so fast for a westerner.
Still better than nothing I guess, especially considering that no western news site is covering Scarlet, sadly enough.

I agree that the new commerce gimmick seems interesting, since there's also a Forge Rank this time I guess the game's will be focused on knowing which province gives you certain materials and how trading between provinces might change the goods in the shops, Elemental Crystals being a currency you get from battles supposedly also tie in to Battle Rank so grinding for currency should be discouraged enough so you have to make do with what you get.

Kawazu also mentioned that there are events on the maps such as changing the size of sheep flocks, I guess those might also affect trading in a certain way, as in making the flock bigger would make wool appear more often or deflate the prices, I don't know, then there's this whole thing about agriculture, it does look cool and somewhat Dwarf Fortressy in a way.

Regarding the japanese course, I'd say go for it brother, you have to begin somewhere after all, 1.5 year seems also a great offer, the best I could get in here was a 60 hours course, so go for it, the earlier you begin studying the faster you'll learn, you'll also be free from the burden of terrible localizations/translations, which is no small advantage for people like us.

Would you like to see more PGC (other than generating encounters) into the game?

>>3648924
I might as well learn a completely different language just to play a game I can already play just fine? Eh, I dunno.

Since SE is taking their sweet ass time with the english vita version of RS2 should I just pirate it for android or just give up and return to Legend of Legacy?

>>3650073
What's PGC

>>3650474
The former

>>3650459
>He thinks katakana is "a completely different language"

>>3651156
From English?

>>3650038
>free from the burden of terrible localizations/translations, which is no small advantage for people like us.

Right now I want to be free of the burden of people who complain about terrible localization and translation.

Putting up with a certain other general when their game got translated was a nightmarish experience.

>>3651491
Katakana is not a language. It's a set of written characters that correspond specifically to a set of sounds. There are inherently no word associations or meanings to the syllables of katakana, the characters literally just describe the sound that is made/heard, ipso facto there are no words and you can't call it a language. You could definitely say that it's used to communicate language, but that's the difference between medium and data.

>>3650073
It seems there's a good bit of PGC content outside of battles in the forms of events like the mandragoras or the hot springs, that said I know I would.
Actually, an entirely PG game with SaGa mechanics and aesthetic wold be pretty balling, we must bail Kawazu out of Squenix somehow so he can go balls deep, maybe hook him up with Tarn Adams so they can produce purely crystallized RPG autism together so that we have a game that might last millennia.
>>3650474
I'm not fond of that really questionable localization and pirating shit, but at this point I'd say just pirate it, I'm not even sure the bigwigs greenlighted the thing, or maybe it's stuck in some kind of localization/licensing limbo, who knows.
Better than waiting for Gideon, that's for sure.
>>3651495
That too.
To be honest I tend to lean with the people against the localization, but most of the hassle in the threads was due to the usual people wanting to spam memes and shitposting to the point things were no longer fun, a common problem on 4chan.

>>3651569
>people wanting to spam memes and shitposting to the point things were no longer fun
Yeah, that's my issue.

It's not about coming together as fans and pointing out errors, helping one another out, and banding together as a community.

It's just "fuck that, famalambruhthang, let's spam dank memes 420zzzzz"

>>3651581
Well 4chan is mostly like that, can't say I like that, especially here on /vr/ which started out real nice and got bad relatively fast.
You can find some good thread once in a while, but that's true for most boards, the problem is the frequency of good threads is inversely proportional to the quantity of shitposting on the board itself.

I shitpost too at times, and there's also those days when I'm tired or irritated by IRL things like everybody else and I shouldn't really post, but at least I'm not aggressively posting the same old tired memes all day in all threads for months.
/OfftopicRant

Now that I think about it, we'll have to find some other place to talk about Scarlet, can't do it here, that's for sure, maybe I'll make some threads on /v/, as much as I loathe the place.

>>3651593
I find that as long as we're sticking to the general rules of the general itself (we're here to talk about old saga games, but there's still a new one that we can discuss) it should be fine.

On the other hand there's always time for the birth of a SaGa IRC chat room, or my very own eternitychan that no one ever wants to use.

>>3651610
Yeah, I probably should create a IRC channel just in case, I don't know if people can get used to Eternitychan's old layout and lack of utilities, considering a good part of /vr/ is made up of oldfags I don't think they'd mind too much, but we'll see on the coming weeks and decide what to do.

Truth to be told, I was considering starting an actual Wiki for the series, not that pile of flaming garbage that is the SaGa.Wikia, something more professional and actually reliable, that'll take a lot of time, I'd also like it to keep it away from the grubby hands of that Farel guy so he can't self promote and butt in everything SaGa related, he's seriously Chris-chan levels of annoying.

>>3651627
At this point, I'd kill for a decently detailed Kawazu wiki.

Cause you can't really find any information something like Wild Card unless you're willing to dig through places like /vr/

>>3651642
Wild Card is a super niche title even in Japan, so it's not surprising.
I've tried playing through it a couple of times and while it's mindblowing to even think about such a system it's also true that it's not a game for everyone, it's really abstract Kawazuism compared to some of his soft games like the first Crystal Chronicles which are easily accessible.

If we'd ever do something like a Kawazu Wiki we'd need some japanese insider, a lot of interviews or streams are JP only stuff and god knows how much we missed or got lost to time, considering the huge amount of respect the man has I guess someone would be willing to help create at least a bilingual wiki or something, that'd be cool as shit.

>>3651495
It comes with the territory of being part of a series that was mostly if not entirely Japanese only. If it doesn't match up 1 to 1 with the accepted customs by that side of the fanbase then its terrible.

Granted, they really should take the time and effort for things to make sure that they don't change the meanings too much or to ensure that it doesn't sound wooden/stiff.

>>3651569
>localization/licensing limbo, who knows.
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/12/02/romancing-saga-2s-english-vita-version-delayed/

Speak of the god damn devil......

>>3652190
Shit, I must be an esper.

>>3649962
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRENE
If anything a better case could be made for "Elena"

If her name comes out romanized as Irene, then make no mistake, the developers are wrong.

>>3652439
Don't joke, espers are real.

Remake of SaGaFro1 with complete Fuse chapter fucking when

The only good SaGa games are the 3 for the Gameboy. Even those have problems.

>>3652732
>If her name comes out romanized as Irene, then make no mistake, the developers are wrong.

イレーネ is based on the Greek form of Irene (Ειρηνη).

>>3653309
The only SaGa games I've played are Frontier 1 and 2, and I enjoyed both.

>>3653157
In my region we have a term for what you're describing,

Translated it'd be, "As possible as Lucifer dwelling in heaven."

It really seems impossible, at this point, and I say that while being (possibly) one of the more optimistic people about things like that on these boards.

Frontier 1, I feel, didn't get a fair handshake, and it had some really amazing stuff in it. Just looking at information on the cut content from Fro1 is heart breaking, honestly.

>>3653309
They're all pretty cool and I think the DS remakes did a pretty good job of improving on them, even if I had a few issues with them here and there.

>>3652732
Look man, it is phonetically correct as Irene, in the greek/Italian pronunciation, considering her surname is Erakleos it makes even more sense, Elena is エレナ, イレーネ is Irene, especially because of the vowel doubling on the レ, which means the accent falls on the second sillable giving it's greek pronunciation.
If you want wrong romanized name look at Balmaint or Taria, which should be Valmante/Balmante and Talia, I can't deny that there are wrongly romanized names, but Irene ain't one of them, it doesn't even have an official romanization anyway.
>>3653157
If we don't get something for the 20th anniversary in 2017, I don't see Frontier getting a remake, at least not anytime soon considering we're getting a new mainline game now.
They're also surprisingly working hard on Imperial, I logged in the other day after months and boy did they add shit while I wasn't looking, they reworked and added a lot of stuff and now they give you tons of money and special tickets for the Gatcha, I even got one ticket that gives me a 5* of my choice, though there's too many characters I want, Alkaiser, Metal Black, Emerald, Wil...
They've also made an adut version of Ginny as one of the Free Fighters from RomaSaGa 2 for a Noel event, Emilia got her Bunny suit version, Barbara and Jamil got their Minstrel Song versions and so on.
I'd say that now it's not half bad for a browser game, there's really a lot of interesting things to do and see, they've reworked the game system a lot and added very much needed rebalancing in the form of new mechanics like equipment, crystals and other things like better smithing options, better gatcha and better rewards and campaigns, the game flows much better now.
>>3653839
>even if I had a few issues with them here and there.
What about them? I felt they were pretty great, especially the SaGa 3 remake.

>>3653873
>What about them? I felt they were pretty great, especially the SaGa 3 remake.
Any problems I had, I also had with the originals.

It's not something I can mention off the top of my head, but if I ever play them again I'll make sure to point out what I disliked.

Overall, great games, though. They're in my top 10 for great RPGs I always replay.

>>3653873
Isn't it hilarious that Gustaf gets two swords and you can't dual wield in SFII

what the hell is ginny doing there, that art is ridiculous, it's like some awful western league of legends type shit

>>3653892
>Any problems I had, I also had with the originals.
Ah, that's a whole different problem then.
Well, I too don't like certain design choices but I think they're very good remakes overall, except the aesthetic which is too generic modern anime for most things, though luckily many monsters and mechs were unaffected by that.

>>3653896
>Isn't it hilarious
More annoying than hilarious since they're both locked equipment that nerf Gustaf to oblivion just when he could shine as a character, instead even Roberto is potentially a better character than him, and Roberto kinda sucks unless you use him as a pseudo Narcisse or you grind and give him a Seven Star Sword, which can't even be used in the localized game.
>what the hell is ginny doing there
I'd like to know that myself, but I missed the event so I can't explain anything, she has the mikiri for 月影 so it's something related to Noel, plus she's got Andromake's costume.
Imperial is full of crazy shit, did you remember Monica from RomaSaGa1/Minstrel Song? Well, she's playable in this game.

Flynn is playable as well.

>>3653898
>except the aesthetic which is too generic modern anime for most things
Driving a point mentioned in the previous thread, you gotta remember that these games are made by whatever staff and assets are available.

See: Romancing SaGa's remake, Minstrel Song, which had quite a few guys, and assets, taken from Final Fantasy XI.

I don't fault them for it, but it's really nice to have Kobayashi back for Scarlet Grace.

I enjoy seeing her art and designs so much.

>>3654060
I know, SaGa doesn't have a team all for itself like FF, even the Frontier games were made by teams that were largely composed by Seiken Densetsu key staff and other people.
Which wouldn't be bad if Square's management didn't suck and took away people and budget from those teams all the time during development.

KawazuXUematsu

BB4ever

>>3654736
>dat myth about japanese being attractive and having perfect teeth like the animes

>normal attacks keep causing the ice sword to retaliate and cancel my action
Why should I use this awful thing?

>>3655103
What game? I don't remember it doing that in RS3 or Minstrel Song

>>3655114
RS3. I've got it on Katrina and every time she gets hit before she can take her action she does the ice counter and it cancels out whatever it was she was originally going to do. Really sucks to trade a waza for a shitty counter that only does about 40 damage. Just fought a dragon ruler with her and Ellen and it was just a nightmare. Every single turn of hers got cancelled and Ellen missed every single attack. Jesus

>>3655467
lolwut
the problem is that you're slow. Lower your weight and raise your speed dummy. Cast SuperGravity.

>>3655485
>Lower your weight
Never.

>>3655503
Ok then play SaGa the wrong way not like I can stop you

>tfw too poor for vita

>>3655103
The Ice Sword is the second best Greatsword in the game and unlike the best one you can get it easily, the catch is that you have to be fast enough to use it well or put it on someone in the back rows so they get attacked less often.
There's a few ways to get around its Ice Barrier effect cancelling your attacks.

1)Quicktime
2)Debuffing the enemy with SuperGravity and buffing your Ice Sword user with Hard Fire/Moon Glow for maximized speed advantage
3)Use light equipment on light characters. This requires you to rely on mikiri and/or magic like Dancing Leaves for stronger enemies though as you won't have good defense against certain attacks and would probably die in one hit.

If you feel like it's too much of a pain to bother and you want a good GS user you can grind the Ahli enemies(women with greatswords and winged caps) in the small chamber on the right of the last floor of Leonid's castle, they drop the best greatsword in the game.

Dragon Rulers are pretty fast and have direct multi attacks like claws and tail swipes that make it hard to use the Ice Sword on them, unless you have a Mikiri set, most other enemies don't have such an advantage, consider that the Ice Sword also bypasses Aunas' innate Self Burning, just like in the first RomaSaGa, Aunas also doesn't use direct attacks often, I don't think his true form has any even, the Ice Sword will destroy him effortlessly.
Iirc, the Ice Sword's Ice Barrier also stops multi attack chains like claws attacks if it activates during a chain, but I'm not sure if I remember correctly, I should test it.
>>3655763
>mfw impatiently waiting for my preordered copy

>>3656510
I'll have to keep all that in mind. I don't keep Katrina loaded down so her speed is already pretty decent. It's just those few enemies that can get a turn before her that cause a problem. Seems like they always target her first.

>>3656559
>Seems like they always target her first.
They target
>The Leader
>The one doing the most damage
>The one doing the most healing
>The one most likely to die when attacked

So if Katrina is doing a lot of damage she'll get hit a lot yeah. Maybe use the Tiger formation?

>>3656559
I personally don't like to use the Ice Sword on Katarina, she's fast but she's too frail to use it efficiently imo, and for the reasons >>3656595 mentioned she tends to get targeted more often than not, especially in the last battle, even if you buff her with Hard Fire she's not always going to attack first, at that point you might want to have a dedicated quicktime spammer, though you must give up one potential healer by doing so.

I tend to give it to either Ward or Zo, they're both so slow and heavy they make fantastic tanks, the Ice Sword just makes them heavy hitters on top, especially during the mid game they can become very powerful thanks to that.
But it's up to you anyway, Hard Fire should already solve most of your problems.

>>3656595
>>3656796
Well, I just got a beauty sword to drop so I don't think it is gonna be much of a problem anymore. Might make some adjustments later if I start to miss having misty ice.

>>3655763
>tfw too poor for vita
why not get a PSTV? I got one for $30 at gamestop.

>>3657254
Nice! Good for you.
>>3657279
Scarlet Grace isn't compatible with Vita TV.

I'm really lazy but I finally got around to doing it.

This is the Android .apk for Romancing SaGa 2 since the torrent died and some people still want it.

https://mega.nz/#!MY4RRDoI!wUyedItibeU2GYITmGS0xPyJGa1Bfa48alOctF4j5C0

1.01 which I think is the latest version. This is the cracked version which removes the DRM so you don't have to do things like root your phone.

When you start the game and see a black screen with a "cancel" button at the bottom, DON'T press anything until the game starts by itself. If you guys didn't read this paragraph and can't run the game and then come here to ask why it doesn't work, I will have to cry myself to sleep.

>>3658010
Nice! I'll add it to the download pastebin on the next thread, this will please many anons for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9L0sGSpTT8

Anyone else watch from beginning to end like me?

They've added a new track on Scarlet Grace's website, 大いなる存在(Great Being), that should be the battle theme of the great spirits shown in the last scans.
It's pretty great, we're getting quite a lot of battle themes this time too.
>>3659814
Is that a Let's Play video series?
I usually don't watch those, I'm one of those people who get restless by watching others play games.

>>3659814
No that piece of shit doesn't realize how bad he is.

>>3661275
Then who's better then him?

If you say Farel you're a liar.

>FFL2, get to Venus's world
>she says I'm welcome to stay but I probably won't find any magi there
>use Prism, it says there's 17 magi in this world

Got a feeling Venus isn't being honest with me.

>>3658010
So how am I supposed to install this thing?

>>3661398
There are no good ones.

Like pewdiepie might be annoying as shit but at least he has the sense to type a little something up before he starts, maybe hash out some ideas, maybe a shoot a video, then watch it, and think about editing it or re-shooting it a little before he uploads.

Maybe if someone who was actually funny did that amount of work it would be cool. Maybe if someone with real critical opinions made a real video about the game instead of a vicarious jack off video about them playing it, that would be cool.

Basically I think lets playing an rpg that takes 30 hours without writing 30 hours of commentary is idiotic and the person who watches it several magnitudes more idiotic than that.

>>3661967
So if you're to smart to watch gameplay videos, why're you here?

>>3662139
to troll people about how my tastes are superior.

it's 4chan, that's what it's about

>tfw when no Tsundere girlfriend to play SaGa with and have cosplay sex

>>3661913
You just run it in file manager on your Android phone.

>>3661260
>They had preview tracks on the website

OH

That explains where people kept getting the tracks from.

So what are the big differences between the SNES and Android version of RS2?

I sort of just stumbled my way through and beat the original version so this time I'm looking to properly take advantage of the game's systems.

>>3661883
>2016
>Trusting Gods
I bet you think that faggot Apollo is a good guy.
>>3662521
It's really fun to see all those SaGa references in manga or anime, Nyaruko-Chan was full of those too, some explicit, some more subtle.
>>3662685
The Remaster has:

-New Backgrounds
-Animated sprites for the Seven Heroes and some bosses
-Two new classes: Ninja and Onmyouji
-A new optional dungeon with new bosses
-New items in said dungeon
-New vicious secret boss battle in said dungeon
-A small Viktor sidequest near the end of the game
-New Formations
-New Orchard feature for increased money gains
-New Game+ feature
-You can now see the attribute of your attacks, in depth explanation for formation effects and even character weight and Dark Score values
-Imperial Library function registers your game history providing a detailed questlog
-Bugfixes

>>3662692
I think i'll go with the Final Emperor and Dark Magic this time to make it different. I'll miss the Final Empress being able to casually no sell that Temptation attack though.

>>3662702
>I'll miss the Final Empress being able to casually no sell that Temptation attack though.
If you complete Viktor's quest in the last generation you'll get a ring which wards off any and all statuses, it even lets you completely avoid Astral Gate sucking you in, which is real good, coupled with the Somon Ring and the Demonstone Ring you can get a few males in much more easily now.

Now that I think about it that ring is the only thing besides Phantom Fighter that can make you avoid Astral Gate, I wonder if it can target invisible party members or characters in Wraith Form, never tried that.

>>3653309
I think you have problems.

Alright.
This is the last stretch.
I've rapidly read parts of it and this is just some trivia by two Famitsu writers playing the game and explaining the features of the game, seems there's hardly anything new or interesting to talk about so I won't be translating eight pages of Famitsu, it's a huge amount of work and I don't have the time or skill to do so either.

One thing that caught my eye in the last part is that one of the writers comments on the game feeling like a weird mix of Makai Toshi/Romancing/Frontier/Unlimited with some new SaGa feel to it. It reminded me of a tweet by one japanese guy to Kawazu saying that to him FF and DQ are the curry of RPGs and SaGa was Blue Cheese.

It is a positive review made by people who seem to know their shit though, there's some parts when the writer reflects on the "feeling" of a SaGa game and how this game feels and also doesn't feel like a SaGa game, when I have some time I'd like to translate it with care because it's the only interesting part of the article, the rest is kind of boring comedic chitchat and a summary of mechanics that have been explained better on the previous articles.
Guess we'll have the scores on the next issue for those who are interested.

There's also this bitching artwork of the star gods and Firebringer, who unfortunately looks less like Akumetsu.

>>3662692
>-New Backgrounds
>-Animated sprites for the Seven Heroes and some bosses
>-Two new classes: Ninja and Onmyouji
>-A new optional dungeon with new bosses
>-New items in said dungeon
>-New Game+ feature
>-You can now see the attribute of your attacks, in depth explanation for formation effects and even character weight and Dark Score values
but these are all negatives

>>3662692
Nyarko had all the god damn references.

Also I invented the character on SMT Imagine and gave the account to the creator of the anime and it isn't "Nyaruko" you fucking transliteral weeaboo

And last one.
One week to go.

>>3665396
>One week to go
>No 3.63 exploit

>>3665396
>0
>0
>Miss
I like where this is going. Unlimited is too easy.

>>3665396
>One week to go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADyGx643ZM8

>>3665847
Unlimited's problem is that once you go beyond its strange mechanics and design and understand what makes your character strong it's pretty damn breakable, unlike other games it's pretty easy to become nigh unstoppable just by having a good panel setup and abusing shops.
Scarlet seems to go back to the Romancing design of battles where you have to take your time and make a good setup instead of spamming combos, the fact that now spells need turns to cast also changes the pace considerably since you'll have to manage your healing more carefully.

What surprises me most though is that Kawazu got back on Frontier 2 Roles just now, even the DS SaGa 3 remake picked up and reworked SNES RomaSaGa's weapon and waza design. I personally though Roles were one of the best parts of Frontier 2's original design together with chips and crowns acting as separate currencies, magic channeling and the whole distinction between tools and Quells.

>>3667214
in my most recent ventus playthrough I actually made a rule that I would never reload when blacksmithing, I'd take whatever results I got and gather more materials to try again.

I'm still rich af, but checking the shops is really tedious. Just that part where you have to look for armor to buy and iron and wood to make steel and stuff all the time, it's a real timesink.

maybe next time I'll make the rule not to forge items to sell for moneye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJkCuhppB6I

Damn, look at how classy the new PV is.
>>3667313
>I actually made a rule that I would never reload when blacksmithing
Steel items are still very strong and easy to get, at that point I'd rather not keep playing on New Game+ altogether so I can't abuse high market ranks.

>>3667532
>Steel items are still very strong and easy to get, at that point I'd rather not keep playing on New Game+ altogether so I can't abuse high market ranks.
In Unlimited it's to the point that I wonder if SaGa games should even have item drops and stuff. If you had to find all your gear, could only get a fixed amount of treasure, bought and sold items for the same value, and had to set up a team with the set amount of resources that are within reach in the game, that would be some really fucking solid shit.

>>3667886
I'm not against item drops, SaGa already did away with the whole concept of potions or antidotes a long time ago, removing enemy drops might be too far, considering you also fight humanoids who wear equipment it would be a bit strange to not get item drops altogether.
Besides, Unlimited's system isn't actually too unbalanced unless you rely on new game+ carryovers, and even so you can feasibly live off what you get from the land by focusing on treasure chests without buying or forging, there's many treasure chests that yield fixed items, you can get a Dragonscale knife while doing the last part of Regal Lion's questline unless you're playing as Laura, you can forge the silver key and copper keys you get while doing the haunted mansion quest into weapons without having to spend a single piece of gold in materials and wound up with a Platinum sword early on, Michelle or Armic also come with Silver Swords and Guns are a thing, there's many, many ways to get stronger while minimizing some aspect of the game, it all depends on how you want to play.

If I don't want to hoard chests I can simply forge compulsively what I get in the shops and keep buying raw materials with Maharaja and selling forged goods to force the Market Rank up and get better items, viceversa, if I don't want to wast time on shopping I can focus on chests, I'll probably get better growth and panels more often too while I'm at it.

Removing one of those aspects makes the game more limited in a way, and I don't personally like that, SaGa is great because you can change your approach to the game in many different ways so that you're not tied to one particular mechanic or aspect of the game but are also forced to learn how to get what you need in another way, it is inevitable that something turns out to be more convenient than something else, but it's also nice to learn not to depend on certain things.

You can also make everyone a martial artist so you don't need weapons at all.

>>3669468
I think you might just be a casual who doesn't want good games.

>>3669473
I'm sorry?

>>3669607
Grinding is a disease. An rpg where it's impossible to grind is a better rpg.

>>3669612
I didn't talk about grinding though.
Nobody forces you to grind either.

Disco Sewer Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBqvopxjKHE

>3 Days left

>>3671921
NO ONE CAN STOP HIM

NONE SHALL STAND IN HIS PATH

SCARLET
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>>3672608
It better sell decently, remember that we still have Kawazu wanting to do something with Romancing SaGa 3, either a remake or a remaster, if this game sells well enough the series might get some more attention from the bigwigs at Squenix.
And if it does that also means we get more chances at a SaGa Frontier remake with all the cut contents.
So cross your fingers or something.

naw square is dead

this corpse is just twitching around is all

>>3658010
thanks

>>3652190
STILL WAITING. KAWAZU DON'T LET ME DOWN.

So, I played the original SaGa on GB and now I want to play 2 and 3. Should I go for the originals on GB or the remakes on DS? What do you guys think?

How did you discover SaGa?
I remember that I was interested in the PS2 Romancing Saga, and received it as a Christmas gift many years ago. But I felt embarrassed to talk about what I was playing with my family because it had the word "romance" in it.

Then a year or two later I randomly found FFL1 lying around, had no idea what it was, and played it and liked it. It was destiny.

>>3675156
Both of course. You have plenty of time.

>>3675156
Play the original of 2 and the remake of 3.

>>3675260
Final Fantasy Legend 2 on the Gameboy

of course, I had no idea what it was, or how to play it correctly, but I knew I liked it.

a little bit later I would get a playstation and get to play SaGa Frontier

and SaGa Frontier is still on my top ten list of ALL GAMES

>>3675156
The DS remakes are fine, hell, SaGa 3 DS is way better than the original in every possible way, they're a bit different from the originals gameplay wise though, especially DS SaGa 3, and of course they have more content.
Play the GB games if you want to see the evolution of the series, SaGa 2 is a fine little game, SaGa 3 is pretty bad though, I don't think anyone would blame you if you skip it altogether and play the superior remake, but it's up to you.
>>3675260
>How did you discover SaGa?
SaGa Frontier 2, it was the first SaGa game localized in Europe so it all started from there for me.

>>3676098
sweating man

>>3675014
what if he does

>>3677379
>He doesn't bet on Kawazu

>Downloading Scarlet
>Suddenly download speed drops drastically
>Contact provider
>"Seems we've got a problem in your zone, it should be fine in a few days"

I can't even post a face to describe my anger.
In any case, the game's 2544 MB for those who are wondering.

>>3675260
Never played a RPG before and I had a Gameboy. Saw a game with an interesting looking package design. Got it and I liked it so I got Final Fantasy Legend II and Final Fantasy Legend after that.

Then later on around 2005 or so I got a PS1 from my Japanese friend since he was moving back to Japan and another friend let me borrow a game called SaGa Frontier. It was stupidly similar to Final Fantasy Legend so I had to check it out later if there was any relation.

You damn fucking straight there was. SaGa literally molded my taste in JRPG's so I tend to like the ones that veer off the beaten path.

WHEN'S SCARLET

Am i missing out on something if i skip RS2? I don't know Japanase and i can't play the android version.

>>3679592
I would have got it today if my connection didn't tank to fucking 1Kbps before I finished downloading it.
I can't even post images goddamnit.
If all goes well I might finally get it in the weekend. I am beyond mad, so mad I started a new MM2:R file to forget about the butthurt and not think about it.
I even have to pick up dem sweet Ice Sword I got for my preorder...
>>3679669
>Am i missing out on something if i skip RS2?
Yes, you're missing out one of the best games in the series, no joke.
RomaSaGa 3 might be more polished and does look a lot better, but for some things it just can't beat RomaSaGa 2 for me, the story isn't as good, it's less open, with less quest variations and the party formation in 2 requires more thought in general due to the system being more strict and the game more difficult.

How come you can't play the Android version? Don't tell me your PC isn't good enough to run some android emulator.

So, which of the heroes in Scarlet Grace is your favorite?

>>3679972
I don't know mang, Leonard is a badass yankii farmer and Elizabeth is cute, Urpina looks nice and I'm interested in her story and her family, Mondo seems also pretty fucking based, Taria and Kahn look like a fun couple and Balmaint and Arthur's shenanigans are just hilarious.
I don't know really, and with the fact that you can't choose a character directly I guess I'll live with whoever I get on my first playthrough, as of now I think:
Leonard>Urpina>Balmaint>Taria
But this is just based on looks and what little I've seen through the various PVs and streams.

>>3679685
>Don't tell me your PC isn't good enough to run some android emulator.
The last time I tried, Android emulators actually aren't that "low end"

Have you praised the mad god today?
Cuz I sure did

Snak... I mean, Seagull, remember the basics of CQC.

>>3679972
I'm gonna say Leonard, but only if he turns into a robot halfway through the story.

This shit really runs at 60 FPS, I can't believe it.

>>3680487
how are the load times

>>3680489
Not bad at all.
The game is faster than it looks.

>Game autosaves a separate file before each battle
>New rengeki feature and BP system is fun as fuck
>Not!Snake learns Submission 10 minutes into the game

This game is so good bros.

>>3680534
awe man

is it actually time to get a vita

>>3680551
I'm still crossing my fingers they crack 3.63 before I die of old age

Okay now.

I've played for two hours or so.
This game is good, it's real good.

The BP system is a great idea so that even if you get strong waza you can't spam them at all since they're very costly and works in tandem with Rengeki.
Rengeki works more or less like a half press turn from Nocturne, except you can stack them to reduce BP cost.
The Timeline system is more important than I've thought as the enemy aggressively tries to alter the timeline and get better positions so you can't use rengeki at all and they maximize their chances to use it both actively and passively, it's more or less like a second formation mechanic.
Here comed the new Bump and Interrupt waza system, Bump waza bump an enemy to a further tile in the timeline, that not only means their attacks come later but you can make another ally act one turn faster, Interrupt waza position your character at the beginning of the timeline to counter the first enemy that gets to attack, one nice thing is that some waza like Matador also have Bump properties, so you can have a Bump+Interrupt waza, Matador saved my ass quite a lot as it seems to always push an enemy quite far in the timeline.
The enemies are strong and don't fuck around, skill ups are more or less as frequent as RomaSaGa 2, which is good, HP grows pretty slowly too.
I still don't understand the Flux system all that well, so I won't comment on that, only wand users can use magic though.
The battles also work on a reward system based on subachievements, if you fulfill specific conditions such as inflicting a status, avoiding a counter or avoiding a KO you get extra items such as elemental crystals or various forging materials, other item drops also occur independently from this system, you can also see which reward you're going to get before each battle, which is nice.
Characters out of battle slowly regen their LP, more or less 1 point each three battles, much like Frontier.

>>>
I have to say, now I kind of understand what they meant by the game feeling like a mix of Frontier, Romancing and Unlimited, there's a lot of events that are seemingly inconsequential on the map, some occur randomly while other seem scripted.
The designs are very Romancing like but a lot of things like many waza or the LP regen mechanics come straight from Frontier.
Forging works kind of like TLR, you even get forging tree branches for all weapons, which is interesting, needless to say you need a shitload of stuff so you can't get strong too fast.
The animations are kind of reminiscent of Tokusatsu, but maybe it's just me.
You can indeed remove the MC from the party, no forced MCs like the Romancing games.

One other curious thing, this game seems to be very fond of Italy and its culture, a lot of terms are in Italian and there's even some real life cities in here, funnily enough.

Reception seems great, the feedback on PSN is 75 votes for a 4.88/5, let's hope this game does well.

>>3680795
>>3680801
IT'S SCARLET.

>>3680949
Aye, that it is.
And I already got myself locked in an unwinnable fight in Urpina's story.
So Leonard is next.
Just found out you can also refuse your chosen character and choose one of the other MCs, but you'll lose the stat modifiers from the questions.
Leonard is pretty damn fun just as I hoped, Elizabeth is great too, they have great chemistry, they call each other as Leo and Liza.
One other little thing I noticed, it seems each weapon has its different waza trees, so forging is serious business this time.
Many playable characters also fall in the generic line, Yamato has exactly the same model as some high rank soldiers while I noticed that Queen in Taria's story shares the same model with one of Urpina's nannies .
The boss music is fucking nuts too.

>>3679685
Well i'll wait until someone releases the snes translation

>>3681013
not gustave is pretty hot

>>3681107
He's a handsome hunk alright.

He's a pretty enjoyable character, Liza too.
If you take a look at some kind of Nazca lines Leonard can't figure out what they are walking on and Liza freaks out because she walked over one line and kinda ruined it, they're two fun goofballs.

>Damn, these guys are tough, I need to rely on my Interrupt waza to break their formation
>Trigger Interrupt
>I can kill one enemy and get a rengeki
>Enemy interrupts my interrup waza and breaks my formation instead

>Hey Leonard, let's go to the Imperial Library to look for info on Ai Hanum, it's not like we can trust this fairy tale book
>Get into Imperial Library after a long journey
>Ask secretary for info
>"Ah, you're in the right place, wait a second I'll get you the volume you need"
>It's the same exact fairytale book Liza had

>Oh shit, a dam is under attack, better go kill those monsters and fanatics so I can save the village beneath it
>It breaks down and completely destroys the village anyway

>Wandering around
>Find Labyrinth location
>Icon says it's an Easy field
>It's actually a gauntlet of battles with a Hard boss at the end

>Do quest about a ghost chasing and killing women
>Decide to spare him and help him overcome his grudge
>Get into a battle while exploring
>Right after I'm done he calls me a liar and permanently removes a LP from Liza

>Get Edgelord Lisbois
>Whew, he has 7 in almost every weapon category, can't believe he's this strong despite being a huge faggot
>He has the most awkward and unwieldly list of starting waza outside of spears

This fucking game

>>3675260
Back when I was like 11, some shop was selling old Gameboy titles and I ended up having my aunt buy all three of the ffl games in exchange for doing some chores for her. Not even a month later I found a brand new copy of SaGa Frontier selling at Electric Boutique for 4.99 usd

Worth as fuck, they were tough games for me at the time and gave a lot of replay value in long car trips

Later I got into SF2 (didn't like it nearly as much even though it was a pretty game), I rented SaGa Unlimited and didn't like it at time of rental (wish I had another chance to give it a shot..), and I later emulated RS3

>>3658010
I waited for the game to start, I fucking fell asleep while at it.
Its the next day and the screen is still black wtf ?

>>3682147
>wish I had another chance to give it a shot
Unlimited is pretty cheap on the internet.
You can also emulate it.

>>3683659
it was cheap new, too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQnSLv6qUXE

I think I've put off playing Romancing SaGa 2 for too long.

Come, /Sa·Ga/, and grant me strength to surpass strength.

>>3684710
That actually depended on where you lived, in Japan it was 6800Y new if I'm not mistaken, which wasn't cheap, it was a pretty normal high price.
They did try to ride the X-2 hype more in the west I guess.
In hindsight, that wasn't really a good strategy to promote and sell your own game though, ZOE did the same with Metal Gear and it kinda bombed, how many games that got demos with other games actually sold well back in the days?
>>3685483
Use magic Afendi, you hear?
Don't neglect your magic users or you're going to eat shit very, very fast.

Small Scarlet Grace parenthesys, I've been putting off magic for most of the game since I still don't completely understand how Flux works, seems pretty doable to do a no magic run in this game, I've got to Firebringer already but he's insane and I skipped parts of the story anyway, so I'll go back to him later, his themes rock hard and the battle is something really, really surprising mechanic wise, I'd never imagined something like this not even in my wildest dreams.
Magic is pretty strong here though, Thunderbringer is obscenely strong, strongest single/Multi target spell I've found so far, Crimson Nova is not as good as the other games but it's real cheap, Tower is weird, it's hard to use it properly, I guess it can shine at maxed rank though.
There's a few new spells too, Holy Grail is the only spell that can restore KO'd characters, and you can only use that as opposed to the older way of simply using any healing item or spells, one other spell lowers casting time, I wonder if there's something like Overdrive.

>>3685594
Still trying to figure out Bluestacks and how APKs and what-have-yous work at the moment.

It has been like this since last night.

Clearly I am makeded a mistake.

>>3686721
Y-you . . . too

>>3686721
You see the obb/ folder the download comes with? You need to get it into your Bluestack's Virtual HD under the filepath of "Android/Obb/(filename)"

I don't remember the steps on how to do it on Bluestacks so you'll have to Google it.

>>3681013
>The boss music is fucking nuts too.

Got a link of that?

I don't have a Vita yet and cannot afford one + Scarlet Grace anytime soon, so I've decided to play the mobile port of RS2 instead. However, before I pay the $17.99 the iOS App Store is asking for, I need to know: can one play the game in Japanese by changing the iOS system language (like many of Square/Enix's mobile releases) or is one stuck with the English version only (a la Final Fantasy Tactics)?

>>3687116
Nobody has uploaded the OST so far, they will distribute it on the 21st so only those who bought the Midareretsugekka box have it so far.
There's three kinds of normal boss musics, "low level" or early bosses such as the Earth Snake and some minor ones, normal boss and high level boss for stuff like the Dragons, Dragon Rulers and some other hidden bosses like the mechs in Rhonicum, then there's the boss music for taking tests in the gods' shrines, which I guess it's something only Urpina can do as Leonard does not have access to that, the three great beasts' own boss music, first phase Firebringer and second Phase Firebringer, I also found Vach, which is actually called Macha in the official romanization and she has her own battle theme too I guess, unless all the other gods share it, I still have to find Marigan and the others, if you can even fight all of them since gods like Uzume are supposed to be gods of peace.

You can listen to some of the battle themes in the official websites, there's a small window on the far upper left.

Leonard's BT-翔遼乱承!
Urpina's BT-:花びらを踏みしめて
Taria's BT-血の滾り
Balmaint's BT-罪を背負う者
Three great beasts BT-大いなる存在
Gods' trials BT-星神・守護者たち

The first phase BT of Firebringer is the one used in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4uRGEJsb9Y
Though this version is cut and edited, the actual battle theme is different and has more parts, this kinda skips from the intro to the climax.
I've took a rapid look on youtube and found a few themes.
You can hear the normal boss battle theme in the beginning of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFuYohUXMuA
This video has Macha's Battle theme and her fight, skip to 14:43.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv7mhzCLCyE

I don't know where you can hear all the others, but there's a few jap streamers and LP on youtube you can follow.
>>3687128
>can one play the game in Japanese by changing the iOS system language
Dunno.

>>3685607
>Still trying to figure out Bluestacks and how APKs and what-have-yous work at the moment.

When you figure it out, let us know.

>>3686721
Why the fuck don't they translate it already?

>>3688267
>Gideon
>Delivering

>>3688267
Why would they translate a game when you can just say you're translating it and get the e-fame?

I am terrible at this game and yesterday I booted up an old save and killed a bunch of random shit that was stomping me wholesale before

Am I the chosen one or is the secret to playing Last Remnant just not picking all the highest costing shit every turn

>>3690345
>is the secret to playing Last Remnant just not picking all the highest costing shit every turn
Well, yeah.
If you pick the highest costing shit chances are that you completely blow your pacing and select something you don't need at the moment, and depending on how you build a union chances are that low costing commands might be just what you need most of the times.
It's mostly better to plan for the long run instead of trying to blitz, with some exception of course. Some battles also get much easier once you know if there's some reinforcements and how reinforcements behave, The Enlightened Seven work very much like that, if you don't know how to prepare for the next one showing up then you'll have a rough battle, like casting Orphic Ward before Ludolpe comes up to nuke you with Galaxy helps quite a bit for instance.

TLR also works around morale a lot, so it's better to build your morale and then, if the time is right use your high cost commands to ride the momentum.

>>3680795
>>3680801
Thanks for sharing your impressions, anon. You gave me that last nudge to put this on my buy list. How do you think it fares compared to other games of the series? Any other elements taken straight from other SaGa/Kawazu games?

How are the loading times in general?

>>3692403
>How do you think it fares compared to other games of the series?
After 50+ hours I poured into the game, it's perhaps the most balanced game in the series in terms of difficulty, the game is consistently difficult thanks to the BP system making it impossible to spam waza like you would in the other games, even at rank 3 the strongest waza are still too costly to use consistently, no matter the formation, you need to trigger a Rengeki to make them viable and some battles are designed against Rengeki to begin with, keeping the challenge fresh and consistent.

Quest wise, it's absurd. I am STILL getting new events on Leonard's quest after 40 hours and I'm pretty sure I missed quite a few of them and only took one path for others, I accidentally avoided Mt. Plinio's eruption by awakening the geysers for instance, I've seen about 100 events on Leo's quest alone.
>Any other elements taken straight from other SaGa/Kawazu games?
The game's mostly completely original besides having many monsters from Minstrel Song, which work quite differently however and have better models on top of that. I am currently writing a in depth review of the game and all of its features which I'm going to post on Eternitychan since /v/ is too fast and /vr/ isn't the right place for it, so if you want some more articulated impression on the game as a whole wait until I post the link, I should be done in a few days.
>How are the loading times in general?
There is some wait when you start the game from the title screen, and sometimes you'll get multiple battles which all go through an intermission screen in which you can change your party members, their equipment role etc. which is actually crucial, the loading time for battles is 5-7 seconds long at best, nothing too offensive. The game does experience some framedrops for certain waza though, Aiming, Three Dragons, Southern Cross and a few others have noticeable frame drops, nothing that can't be fixed by some patch I suppose.

>>3692667
Everything about what you've listed sounds amazing.

I really really really do hope that it comes out in English. I'd love to fully experience the thing, but if in a few months time we don't hear word of it I'm gonna buckle up and just import it.

Is there any chance of DLC or additional storylines/events/etc being added later on?

I know most people don't have the best opinion of DLC, but I feel like it could really work within the context of SaGa getting expansions in the style of older PC games.

>>3692809
>Is there any chance of DLC or additional storylines/events/etc being added later on?

Well, the DLC section in the main menu might point out to something like that, though I guess it was mainly done for the preorder DLCs, Kawazu isn't actually too fond of DLC either, none of his games had any, but we'll see, I wouldn't mind getting some additional content either, though it's not like the game is lacking it.
As I've seen on 2ch there's only two gods out of 12 you can fight since people have cracked the trophy list, I get that gods like Uzume or Bartlett aren't really meant to be fighters storywise but Adamas, Diemazu and Shams surely can, Diemazu and Shams especially since they have offensive blessings like Marigan.
>I feel like it could really work within the context of SaGa getting expansions in the style of older PC games.
I don't know if someone's gonna get angry at this, but SaGa should have been on PC in the first place, Kawazu and his teams are good at working around console's limitations, you can say it's the most surprising aspect of his portfolio considering how much he manages to cram into his games in terms of mechanics, but SaGa on PC would be a whole other story, and I don't mean graphics, I mean buttload of contents and updates, SaGa games already feel like PC games for most things, that way he would also be able to get around Squenix not giving him enough time and money to develop what he wants so he can put it in further updates or expansions with ease and listen to players' feedback.

What are the specific mechanics Saga has that came from Tabletop RPGs/Wargaming?

>>3688267

no one is will to stand up to that cunt Gideon

>>3693160
There aren't really specific mechanics lifted up from tabletop games really, it's mostly rolls for many different mechanics generally speaking, like having the chance of learning a new technique in the middle of a fight due to spark rolls.
Unlimited is the game that plays more like an actual RPG campaign in many ways due to the map and dungeon design, the possibility of using spells in a practical ways, like using a water spell to cool magma so you could walk on it or use it to open a chest locked with magic, and of course the Reels. The series is also focused on mechanics like racial damage, individual stat growth or different mechanics altogether for a specific race, see mechs or espers growing differently from humans, monsters assuming different forms depending on the monster meat they eat and so on, generally speaking, many games actually feel like there's a Master directing the flow and Unlimited's use of Reels is like a dice roll more or less, the general freedom of exploration and non linearity does help in reinforcing the illusion.
Problem is all the games are pretty different from each other, with the exception of the first three GB games, which all share more or less a similar design, and even then SaGa 3 was still different, not in a good way though.
If you're a fa/tg/uy you'll want to play Unlimited as it's the most tabletop game of the bunch so far, Scarlet is close too but it reverted to a more traditional videogame RPG design for most things so I don't think you'll enjoy it.
I don't know much about wargames so I can't comment on that.
>>3693167
It's not a matter of standing up to anybody, Gideon doesn't give a shit to begin with, you can yell at him all you want, it won't change anything.

>>3694716
>with the exception of the first three GB games, which all share more or less a similar design
*first two

About to start the Romancing SaGa 2 Android port for the first time.
Anything I should know?

Evens: I finish my Ventus file
Odds: I finish my Jamil file
Dubs:I finish my game of civ 2
Trips: I play RS2 in japanese and translate as I go
Quads:I stop playing games so much and focus on my romhack

maybe I should have reversed the order

those reels tho man

>>3695672
I need that trip.
>>3694716
I guess you are right. After all there is noone impeding you to translate the game. It is just that i keep reading how good the game is, which surprises me that there are no official translation for the snes.

>>3695672
Post more screen shots you fuck

I can't get enough of that game

>>3695689
I know what you mean, shit like this almost gives me a boner

>she's a GUN user
>and it turns out guns are RAD AF

True facts: I actually beat this game twice recently without realizing you could change the order of commands when you get a turn

>I was putting Judy in the front when I wanted her to cast first

>>3695694
>I also made Ventus a staff fighter
>turns out staff arts are fantastic great
>Earth Dragon hits all enemies, stuns, costs 1 EN, doesn't even need to glimmer anything to just work

all the unorthodox choices in Unlimited turn out to be great

You bet I did, now where's my reward

>>3695694
Does she come with a phobia panel or are you just being silly/hardcore?

I only know about turn skipping because of Biggys let's plays

And I love it when the 'weaker' weird option is secretly really good

>>3695724
o-oh. ok.

>>3695725
Yeah she comes with an undead phobia panel. It's plot related because she was traumatized by a vampire I guess.

Tiffon's character concept is kind of lame but her design is fucking top tier, probably my favorite in the game, she just looks like a god damn JoJo character.

>>3695102
-Use Magic
-Develop whatever your chancellor asks you to except the heroes' quarters, it's just a commodity you don't really need.
-Don't grind until you reach the last BRs, so when Albions begin to spawn
-Check your orchard once in a while
-Developing Fusion magic requires one generation shift for the commissioned spells to be available so begin developing ASAP as you won't get any Fusion spell in the last generation
-If you see a Nosferan(bald undead with some kind of bat umbrella) run unless you have Exorcism
-Open all chests you come across
-The Classes who give you new formations are: Thief, Hunter, East Guard, Desert Guard, Brawler, Amazon, Holy Order, Sea Merchant and Tactician use one of them as Emperor to learn a new formation
-The Seven Heroes might get stronger forms depending on your game's history
-Use Magic
-Get the Somon Ring during the fight with Kujinshi in the mansion in Somon, go through the unlit fireplace in the first floor of the mansion and open the chests there
-Do not take off the Soul Steal Mikiri after you learn it as Gerald until after the battle with Kujinshi, you'll make the game unwinnable otherwise
-Try to do the Cumberland scenario as soon as it's available and don't die or get out of Cumberland if not asked to if you want the good ending for that quest, you can still mess up in other ways but it's unlikely.
-Some quests will make your current emperor abdicate
-Some quest routes are available only to certain classes, a certain quest is available only to male emperors
-Use Magic
-Don't worry about getting wiped out often, it's normal, do not do that with Leon or in the last generation or you'll get a game over though.
-Manage your money wisely, don't waste too much on forging and if you do don't forge rapiers or swords, you get better weapons by looting and magic is more important
>>3695725
Tiffon has a forced phobia panel because PLOT. Phobia panels are actually pretty strong panels, if you know how to use them.

>>3695730
>martial arts panels
>high fire elemental
>vampire adversary

She is a fucking Jojo character

>>3695752
>Tiffon has a forced phobia panel because PLOT. Phobia panels are actually pretty strong panels, if you know how to use them.
They're terrible if you put them in the center though, and they're not better than level 5 panels generally.

I can still make Tiffon a strong character, but that phobia panel makes nothing easier.

>>3695756
I'm downloading stone ocean right now actually

>>3695771
>They're terrible if you put them in the center though
Unfortunately, yes. You can still try and make a Phobia line if you feel like it, that restricts her usefulness even further but she might be a good offensive fire mage in the last battle, and she can buff or heal for all the rest, but it's up to you, I built Ruby like that in one of my runs as a challenge.

It's the same problem with Kurt and Michelle with their Gauntlet panels, at least Michelle does take that panel off in Mythe's story, both she and Kurt have to keep those shitty panels at level one in other stories though, so they're way worse than Tiffon since at least she can make a combo with other phobia panels and they're not Lv1 panels on top of that.

Finished Leonard's story a few hours ago by the way, great stuff, but I had to chicken out with Firebringer, fighting him at full power is something I still have to figure out, especially since he pulls out a giantdad on you repeatedly on top of all his other bullshit.

>>3695785
>Finished Leonard's story a few hours ago by the way, great stuff, but I had to chicken out with Firebringer, fighting him at full power is something I still have to figure out, especially since he pulls out a giantdad on you repeatedly on top of all his other bullshit.
Did you try spamming stat reducing waza? He might have the same achilles tendon as another SaGa game's super boss.

>>3695787
>Did you try spamming stat reducing waza?
I completely debuffed him all the time, debuffs also aren't cumulative here so you can't do the same thing you would on Saruin.
>He might have the same achilles tendon as another SaGa game's super boss.
Dude
You have no idea how incredible the battle against full power Firebringer is, it's a nightmare.
I'm tempted to spoiler you but it's so fucking amazing you should experience it spoiler free because of all the literal bullshit he pulls out of his ass.
You think Saruin's Animate Dead, Pillars and Deus ex Machina is tough? Firebringer has triple the amount of bullshit so that if you happen to do ONE wrong action, not even in his final phase he can wipe you out effortlessly, AND you still have to get to the final phase, which is even more bullshit than that.

And I'll tell you what, even at normal power he can still wipe you out easily, I was at 600 HP on most characters with good armor, some with top tier weapons and he still fucked me up.

One thing I can spoiler you though, one of his signature moves is Vermillion Sands from Frontier, albeit in his own version, it made me smile a bit, the game's full of easter eggs here and there.

>>3695815
I honestly hope it makes me smile as much as Last Remnant having an enemy version of Overdrive without letting the player ever use it.

>>3695823
Wait.

>Overdrive classically gives the user 5 free turns
>ZA WARUDO which it is -obviously- based on lasts 5 seconds
>5 actions takes 5 seconds
>5 characters+1 boss enemy means a standard round of 6 actions
>6 seconds is the stated amount of time a round of combat takes in Dungeons and Dragons

My mind is fucking blown

>>3695823
Well, you can't use Vermillion Sands because it isn't a spell, he also has Galaxy, which isn't a spell either and works differently here, he also has another command in his second phase which is another broken SaGa spell, but made even more broken in here but I can't spoiler you that, I literally said WHAT THE FUCK!? out loud when he pulled it on me on his first turn, then I got devastated on the turn after that, good times.
And you know what? he has even MORE stuff than just these.

>>3695828
ohshit I bet it's Time Leap or Phantom Warrior

or Allure

I hope it's Allure

>>3695815
One of the guys that did a playthrough of Scarlet Grace was kinda impressive in that he usually does very difficult challenge runs of other games.

Scarlet Grace is one of the few games where he's uploaded videos of him dying or resetting.

Everything I've seen paints Scarlet Grace as being one of the most difficult SaGa games ever.

And I love it.

>>3695772
>that feel when

So how much is it actually going to cost me to buy a Vita and a digital copy of Scarlet Grace

also is all of it as easy to read for a non-native reader as the screenshots I've seen

>>3695830
Shit man, now I really do want to tell you because one of those is kinda right, but I can't tell you because it was so mind blowing when he used it on me and I figured out how it works. I just don't want to ruin you the brickshitting.
>>3695834
>Everything I've seen paints Scarlet Grace as being one of the most difficult SaGa games ever.
Scarlet is pretty difficult overall, most of the boss fights, especially the unique bosses like Macha are very tough, the only easy special boss I've fought was Marigan but I fought him very late on so I had statistical superiority , and they really should have given his summons more HP.
I too was following one japanese player and when he got to Firebringer and saw all the bullshit he was pulling he said "何だよこのマソゲ!", many people had to reset Macha's battle multiple times because if you get the tactics and pacing wrong you might as well just reset or watch her nuke you slowly with Crimson Flare breaking your max HP threshold.
It's a tactics heavy game based on planning, the BR here boosts the enemy stats a lot so that the only way to keep up is forging better equipment, but forging requires ingredients locked behind battle conditions, so if you don't fight battles with those extra handicaps you won't get upgrades and the enemies keep getting stronger faster than you do...Its great, it has some problems but it's great.

>>3695858
>Shit man, now I really do want to tell you because one of those is kinda right
It's god damn MIRRORSHADE isn't it. He pulls some fucking Son of Sun shit on you.

>>3695846
Digital copy is 6900Y more or less, size is 2544MB.
>is all of it as easy to read for a non-native reader as the screenshots I've seen
Not really, if you want to follow the story and read all of the descriptions for items, locations and such, you gotta know japanese, gameplay wise it's quite intuitive even if you don't know japanese I guess but reading the TIPS section does help a lot.

And just to let you know, I killed Firebringer and I STILL had events to complete in the game, and I'm pretty sure I've spent around 60 hours or so on Leo's story alone, I fucked up some events and missed others as well.
>>3695861
EHHHH, you're ALMOST on it!

>>3695867
>EHHHH, you're ALMOST on it!
ok. I don't need to know.
>Not really, if you want to follow the story and read all of the descriptions for items, locations and such, you gotta know japanese
obviously I already know a bit if I'm even considering it. for example something like
>"何だよこのマソゲ!"
is piss easy to read, I've basically got a grasp of hiragana and katakana and could say, blunder through a playing of Earthbound without missing too many jokes, I just would need to reference a kanji dictionary all the time to play something like this, and my question is exactly how often is that going to happen here, that I'm going to keep coming across new characters I can't guess from context

>>3695879
>my question is exactly how often is that going to happen here, that I'm going to keep coming across new characters I can't guess from context
Pic related is an average text bubble from the game, if you can or are willing to stop and look for kanji in order to read this you're fine for most of the game, I don't know how heavy the text gets for stories like Balmaint's or Taria's though, it becomes a bit hard when people are talking about politics and stuff, especially in Urpina's story but even so I guess you can just take a screenshot and use one of those text recognition tools on the picture to get more or less a vague translation.
I should try making a screenshot of a text heavy bubble and see for myself how it goes actually.

>>3695904
>if you can or are willing to stop and look for kanji
I think I'm pretty well prepared for something like this, I have a 3 inch dictionary for just such a reason

ask me whats on the bookshelf

>>3695936
Then go for it man, the sooner you start the earlier you'll finish.
>ask me whats on the bookshelf
the photo is so blurry I can barely even make anything out of it besides spines of manga volumes I guess.

Kinda makes me nostalgic if that's the case, I sold most of mine almost a decade ago.

>>3695967
only the god damn best things

>>3696000
Ohhh, I see some Berserk, Blame!, Hellsing, JoJo, loads of Tezuka and even 20th centruy Boys, not bad, even Planetes.
And I also see some Zaku Kits up there.

That's a nice small collection, reminds me about mine, tough not much ofit remains right now, to think I used to have all JoJo volumes from those decade old prints...

You look like the kind of guy who would also enjoy stuff like Dorohedoro, Takemitsu Samurai and more niche works like Egawa's, but most of those are hard to get unless you live in Europe or Japan.

If you're a fan of Nihei you should also take a look at Abara, Fuyumi Soryo might also be another mangaka who might interest you, Cesare is a very nice historical manga.

>>3696109
>Dorohedoro
ongoing forever and ever with slow af updates

god damn if it doesn't make me hanker for gyoza tho

Not on that shelf but part of my collection are:

HunterxHunter
Scry-ed
Project Arms
Every BAL and Last Order up to about volume 12
Vagabond
AlienNine

I might have an obvious thing for transhumanism here

Given your recommendations I have to ask if you've heard of No Guns Life

It's a manga about a guy with a gun for a head

and that's pretty cool

>>3696109
>>3696158
Also on that shelf that you didn't mention is Lone Wolf and Cub, Monster, and Mushishi; though I'm sure that was an accident because anyone who is good knows Mushishi is great.

the 5 japanese saturn games there (to keep it /vr!) are Shining Force III (all 3 parts), Dragon Force II, and the greatest videogame of all time, Panzer Dragoon Zwei.

>>3696158
Haven't heard about that No Guns Life manga, I'll look into it when I have some time.
>Lone Wolf and Cub, Monster, and Mushishi;
I really can't read or recognize the spines from that photo, I assume those are the american editions since I don't recognize the colour layouts, even my old Hellsing volumes have a different layout, but hell, I started buying those in the early 2000, so I guess your edition is a bit more recent than my old ass Dynamic one.
Damn, I feel old, I still have manga I bought in the mid nineties.

>>3696306
I'm pretty sure I bought most of them between 2004 and 2010

I'll be 30 in a couple years, we're all old.

>>3696462
>I'll be 30 in a couple years
Same here, just two years to go.
Oh well, there's nothing one can do against time.

And talking about time, merry christmas.

bump

How doable is a 4-mecha party for SaGa2 DS, anons?

>>3699761
You asked the wrong question.
>How costly is a 4 mecha party for SaGa2 DS, anons?
The answer is very costly, mechs are possibly the strongest race but depend entirely on their equipment, it's possible to cruise most of the game if you grind for money to keep their equipment up do date, and four mechs are going to be costly.
I suppose there will be a few difficulty spikes here and there when you meet monsters who are fond of lightning attacks, but other than that and maybe the occasional slime you're not going to have many problems I think, mechs are also immune to most statuses too.
What I don't know is if a full mech party is good against LDS, the first form isn't a problem but its second form might damage you faster than you can heal in the case of mechs when it begins spamming Double Star Buster every turn.

>Taria pulls a Blue on you complete with fake Frontier like transition screen
>She even breaks the fourth wall looking at you and thanking you for helping her

Okay, I smiled, but putting fake credits would have made this perfect.

>>3700049
Mecs in SaGa 2 become the weakest party members at the end of the game, especially when lots of enemies use magic attacks.

Honestly, just use 2 Humans 2 Mutants for the easiest time overal and 1 of each if you crave variety.

I'm sure the remake is somewhat different.

>>3701867
spoilers nerd

>>3701885
Sorry about that, I should have refrained from posting but it was such a deliberate reference I couldn't resist talking about it.

>>3701898
lrn2spoilertextfggt

>>3701950
ctrl+s is hard though...

where's you favorite place to farm for tablets guys?

I still have access to Deities Table with Ventus here, but Avalon is just so darn cozy.

>>3703630
wrong image

meant to post this cozy ass pub

>>3703630
>where's you favorite place to farm for tablets guys?
Depends on the characters.
If you ask me I'd say the overall best places are.

-Mayor's Nightmare quest, you can farm the Guckies in the storage easily and pretty fast, great for fast lvl2-3 tablets, sucks if you're Laura though.
-Starship Anchor, farming the comet demons over and over
-All the quests with Mural monsters
-Leith Torles' Tower opening the last chest repeatedly with the last turn exploit for nearly guaranteed lvl4 tablets

I like Deities' Table but I can't deal with reels for the mirror shards, it's too easy to pass them and lose an encounter, Starship Anchor is better on that, the Coliseum Ruins quest might be good if you want to farm the plant monster in the barrels but you need some luck or many reloads, generally speaking most mosters tied to map events tend to drop tablets, so it's either that or exploiting fixed chests like the ones in the Twin Moon Temple, Leith Torles' Tower or Armand's hideout.

What I'd rather like is finding guns in chests.

>>3703669
>-Leith Torles' Tower opening the last chest repeatedly with the last turn exploit for nearly guaranteed lvl4 tablets
It's the same as any other tablet drop. The battle counter on that adventure is what determines the quality. Last time I went there I got a level 1 tablet.

The only two types of tablet drops are normal and guckie.

>"So, this is the dragon!"
I wouldn't recommend using 5 members when fighting dragons. It's generally a bad idea.

>>3703874
This game is so pretty, man, I'm dying to play it.

>>3703874
It's generally not a good scene.

>What

Those are 2 fire tablets and a metal tablet. And here I was thinking, how am I gonna decide whether Ruby or Tiffon gets the next fire tablet.

It's worth mentioning that before I went to Avalon I purposely failed a 200 round adventure so I could fight and raise money to buy a Hydra Mail and Obsidian Armlet. The number of battles you fought since your last panel selection makes a big difference in what drops.

http://eternitychan.org/general/res/5709.html

In case anyone wants to read up on Scarlet Grace and all of its features, we've got a good review up on eternitychan.

>>3703870
Yes, the advantage is that Leith Torles' Tower is great for high level battles, so fight a lot, fight the upper level seal monsters to spark shit, get down and waste the remaining turns to open the chest on your last one, it's 90% of the times a Lvl4 tablet, and some of the seal bosses are almost as good as Giants to spark stuff.
>>3703874
>It's generally a bad idea.
Depends on how fast and well protected your characters are, getting stunned by tail attacks sucks, but that's what dragons do, you gotta deal with it regardless of the number of characters you deploy.
The Yellow Dragon that protects the Dragonheart is far tougher than the Blue or Red ones, but even so, there's worse enemies to deal with, Tagut for instance.
>>3703886
The game looks pretty good even for today's standards, kinda like Frontier 2, but with far better sprites and arenas.
Some areas also have a fixed camera which makes them very reminiscent of the old SNES SaGa, the moving camera of other areas kind of zooms in too much sometimes and at some angles sprites face the wrong direction sometimes but it still looks very good, some sprites like the Demon Tomes, Hanumans and Basil Galeos are also really well done, still an impressive work considering it was made using Adobe in the early 2000.

>>3703901
>dude what
this was in the middle of a carrier mission, I have no idea who to give it to

>>3703962
I honestly found Tagut easier than the Dragons when they're in pissed off mode and spam breath every other turn. He mostly just sticks to random single target attacks.

He does get about 7 of those tho

Also the gold dragon in LTT is at the highest spark rate for repeatable bosses.

>>3704115
Well, Tagut is my personal bane, so I might be biased, it must be because my first Unlimited file was Ruby's quest and I got wrecked over and over by him, dragons have more mass attacks and stun but Tagut having tons of actions, access to paralysis and even good LP damage makes me still shiver a bit.
I guess he's also one of those boss monsters who appear as normal encounter too if your BR is high enough, kinda like Liches.
>Also the gold dragon in LTT is at the highest spark rate for repeatable bosses.
Even higher than giants? I stand corrected then.

Scarlet Grace's OST has been uploaded on Youtube by the way.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDZHwiObJspAGgo2C4YDkiQ/videos

>>3704367
>it must be because my first Unlimited file was Ruby's quest and I got wrecked over and over by him
I beat him first try, and the nakle lines were the first wonder I attempted too. (It was mostly based Iskandar and Anzam magic tanking in first slot to open up the rest of the team for combos)

actually I haven't wiped even once in this game, I don't have any idea what the game over screen looks or sounds like.

>>3704367
>Even higher than giants?
It's tied with the tougher giant in the knight's mausoleum.

>>3704382
>I don't have any idea what the game over screen looks or sounds like.
There's no game over screen at all, the screen just fades to black but if your MC is killed while other characters are alive you get some extra lines from other characters, in Ruby's case from Hiro or Sapphire for instance, don't know if Iskandar says anything.

>>3703962
Hey anon how are you making these webms with clean looking framerate

maybe I can do some combo tutorials

man

at the start of ventus' adventure I couldn't get more than a single mimic to drop tablets

now they're just handing them to me more than half the time here

...god damnit.

How do you chase away "not retro" guys?

>>3705685
Report them.

>>3705685
They never show up here because we're too cool.

>>3705602
I'm using the PCSX2 built in recorder and then converting to webms with WEBM for retards, I tried using fraps sometimes but it can't compare in terms of video quality, the webms end up looking like total garbage. The PCSX2 recorder is pretty notorious for slowing games to a crawl while you record though, so you need either a decent machine or another program to capture video.

Awwww yiss

>>3705901
>I'm using the PCSX2 built in recorder
why am I having trouble finding it

>>3705916
you won't find it in the options, you need to use the shortcut by pressing F12.

>>3705942
I bet the hotkey settings are in an external config file too

The Nakle Lines are actually the hardest of the wonders.

Do not go unprepared.

SO WE MEET AGAIN

actually I don't have the LP to fight both this and the boss, and I'm not real excited about passing 1200 turns just for a fucking tablet

>>3706051
>I fought it anyway
>It dropped a ravenite
>Vearst is dead
Reload~

uh oh

things are looking grim

Sooo, the android port of romancing 2, is it good or not?

>>3706673
No. It's the only playable translation anyone has access to though.

In terms of ports, it has a bunch of unnecessary additional content that does not improve the game, and it has a full set of hideous graphical updates. The best thing that can be said is that it fixes some bugs that were in the original.

>>3706679
Did they butcher the gameplay in any mayor way?

>>3706693
They added an optional dungeon that lets you wimp out of the original games formerly unforgiving and basically uncheesable challenges. If you were cheesing in the original game you were actually playing the game correctly doing the things you actually had to do to win. That optional dungeon lets you grind and farm overpowered items to protect your characters, and ends up increasing the number of items that you can have to block devastating status effects and things like that.

If you never go in that dungeon or do the extra quest that gives you that one powerful item, then it's mostly the same as the original.

>>3705958
I don't think so, then again I haven't fiddled with the settings since forever so you might be right.
>>3706042
I don't think the Nakle Lines itself is that hard Tagut and the lack of tetraforce exploit aside, it's much easier to get lost in Undercity Pharos with all those fucking switches and get exhausted while fighting off tons of monsters, the Hanging Gardens are also a pain if you're not Ruby.
In terms of general difficulty I'd say that from it's more or less:
Hanging Gardens=Undercity Pharos>Nakle Lines>Starship Anchor=Avalon=Twinmoon Temple>Deities' Table
Difficulty also varies depending on the order you try to take them on, at low level the Nakle Lines and Starship Anchor might be really hard due to the bosses sapping your LP like crazy, at high level Undercity Pharos or Hanging Gardens are a pain because the normal encounters might tire you out before you figure out how to get to the boss or the tetraforce, it all depends on different factors, including how familiar you are with the game of course.
>>3706673
It fixes all the bugs from the original so it's good enough for me, the optional dungeon has a chance of giving you broken items early that kinda alter the balance of the game, nobody forces you to play through it anyway. The extensive bugfix alone makes it worth it for me, but I have different priorities from most people.
One other thing they've added is a lot of descriptions for everything, commands, formations and all of that have comprehensive descriptions about their effects, they've also added a few items in the castle that let you see your characters' weight and dark score.
The only bad thing is the optional dungeon, it kinda balances itself out by having a bullshit special boss at the end but I mostly agree with>>3706701, if you take time to grind chests in there it kinda ruins the game, then again, I don't think newcomers can really exploit it all that much besides getting some better equipment early.

>>3707696
The boss in Undercity Pharos and Hanging Gardens are really easy though

Nakle Lines forces you to go through a lot of encounters before you get to the boss who demands that you have enough LP to soak him up, without the Tetra Force it ends up being the hardest test of conserving resources.

I started playing romancing saga 2 recently, which is my first saga game, and I'm a little lost. I managed to get my revenge on a monster-in-a-box after wiping out once but I feel like I'm playing the game wrong because I don't have enough information. Is there some sort of instruction manual I should read which explains stuff like
- How do deflect and parry work? Which is better?
- How do I know which weapon to pick for each character?
- Are there any negative consequences to running away from battles?
- Is there an easy way to avoid fighting battles? I can see enemies running around but I can't ever avoid/outrun them.
- Is there any way to get LP back?

Or am I supposed to be totally lost and to blindly pick moves without knowing how they work?

>>3708321
>I started playing romancing saga 2 recently, which is my first saga game
Oh brother

>>3708321
>- How do deflect and parry work?
situationally
>- How do I know which weapon to pick for each character?
you experiment or use a guide
>- Are there any negative consequences to running away from battles?
yes the battle rank goes up but you don't get stronger
>- Is there an easy way to avoid fighting battles? I can see enemies running around but I can't ever avoid/outrun them.
you need to get better and move while simultaneously predicting the simple AI
>- Is there any way to get LP back?
very rare potions. you're going to have to plan when to kill your characters and make it part of your long term strategy.

>>3658010
I dont see a cancel. It says "information" it still stays black forever

>>3707785
On a second thought, you're right on that, I guess I'll have to put the Nakle lines on the same tier as the others.
>>3708321
>I started playing romancing saga 2 recently
Nice
>which is my first saga game
A hardcore masochist then.
>- How do deflect and parry work?
They have around 80% chances of completely nullifying a direct physical attack on the user, any indirect physical attack, magic or special abilities do not trigger Parry type waza.
>Which is better?
They're the same ability for different weapons.
>How do I know which weapon to pick for each character?
Most characters are fine with their starter weapons but some others actually spark differently than other characters in the same class.
Stat wise, characters with high STR hit harder with Swords/Great Swords/Spears/Axes/Maces and Martial arts, better DEX makes them hit harder with rapiers and bows.
>Are there any negative consequences to running away from battles?
The enemies get stronger even faster than you do
>Is there an easy way to avoid fighting battles?
Learn enemy patterns, each enemy family has their own movement patterns. There's no item or ability that lets you avoid battles completely.
>Is there any way to get LP back?
Life Potions, but they're basically limited in number(Unless you play the remaster) and extremely tedious to get. You get some of them in your treasury with each generation shift, otherwise you'll have to buy them from the witch in South Rongit and have fun with that, red slimes also MIGHT drop them. In the remaster they're also a rare chest treasure in the maze of memories.
Each potion restores a whole -1- LP
>Or am I supposed to be totally lost and to blindly pick moves without knowing how they work?
Well, yes, unless you have the manual, and the manual still didn't explain most things, SaGa was all about empirical knowledge until very recently when they decided to make the games slightly more accessible.

RS2 isn't a good place to start though.

>>3708887
To further expand on my post, since you decided to start with one of the hardest games in the series for some reason:

Do not play SaGa games like a Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest or other JRPG, it doesn't work in here, SaGa games require a different mindset altogether.

DO NOT GRIND, especially in RomaSaGa 2, grinding is not only unnecessary, grinding, especially mindless grinding, can and will make the game unwinnable, grinding in SaGa games is something that is basically postgame content when the only thing left to do is kill a fully powered up final boss, if you need to grind in any other situation it means you've messed up your game plan big time somehow, learn to plan your growth, it's not easy to do, especially if you start with RomaSaGa 2, but you'll get the hang of it.

Do not be afraid of death, RomaSaGa 2 makes death an actual part of the game's strategy and general mechanics, the game was explicitly designed to make you die or party wipe as much as possible starting from Gerald's generation. A good player will know how to avoid or even exploit the death of a party member.

Do not diss magic, magic is the fulcrum of your strategies and arguably the most powerful tool in RomaSaGa 2, not using magic means you like to restart your game often because at some point even normal enemies will walk all over you if you didn't develop magic.

Since you're play RomaSaGa 2, always expect the worst case scenario and plan accordingly, the game likes to throw you against seemingly impossible odds or fucking you over with the weirdest turns of events, do not trust anyone, not even your items.

Lastly, I personally suggest you to stop playing 2 altogether and play some other game first, SaGa Frontier is fine for beginners although it works on a different system than RomaSaGa 2, RomaSaGa 3 might be even better if you want to play 2 that much but keep in mind that all SaGa games are different and have many unique gimmicks, rulesets and mechanics in each title.

>>3708493
>>3708504
>>3708887
>>3708928
Thanks for the tips. I'll give SaGa Frontier a try and come back to romasaga2 later.

I've finished SaGa 1, 2, 3, RS 3, SaGa Frontier, and have a game going on Unlimited Saga that I come back to every now and then. Which should I do next? Thinking about SaGa Frontier 2.

Not the other newcomer. But I just ended up setting up all my emulators/handhelds to play a SaGa game for the first time,I was consiering the remake of the translation of the first game on the wonderswan, the DS remake of 2, Frontier and Romancing 3.

Im a bit spoiled by choice here, for what I read. The DS remakes and frontier are more friendly, but Im also a sucker for Snes graphics, I have a hard gime making the call

>>3709827
Frontier 2 could be a nice change of pace from what you're used to, give it a whirl and see if it clicks with you, if it doesn't there's always Minstrel Song.
>>3709857
If that's the case try Romancing SaGa 3, it has some of the best graphics on the SNES and it's pretty beginner friendly.
The DS remakes are also a good way to get into the series as they include many technical changes and adjustments from the originals, SaGa 3 DS is arguably the correct version of the game too.
See how you like RomaSaGa 3, the DS remakes or Frontier are all good starting points too.

How the fuck are you supposed to beat the east cave boss in Albert's story for Romancing SaGa 1? The fucker one shots a character each turn (unless he takes mercy and defends) and after one or two turns all my attacks are just 1 damage. If you're not supposed to grind in SaGa games then it just seems impossible.

>>3711464
For the record I've never played a SaGa game, I decided to play one because I like Final Fantasy II and I heard its similar. I was impressed by the fact that you have 8 characters to choose from and get to decide their heritage and even their dominant hand, but I can't figure out how the fuck you're supposed to actually play.

Also what difference does dominant hand even make? As far as I can gather you don't equip weapons to a hand, you just equip them.

>>3711464
recruit mercenaries, recruit the minstrel, use a lot of impact slash

>>3711472
oh wait you meant the SNES one

that one is a clusterfuck basically remake your character better

How many generations are there in romancing saga 2?
It's quite a bummer to lose your entire party every couple hours.

>>3711464
I finally beat the boss, on the same turn that it would have wiped me out. Now the game seems to have opened up a bit. I went to Bruelle and took a boat but got caught in a storm and now I'm in some icy area. This is more like what I was hoping for.

I still can't figure out the purpose of dominant hand, though. Also I bought some water magic but I can't cast it for some reason, it says "Water 0/4".

>>3708928
RS3 is the odd man out here because of its wonky HP-based quest triggers and enemy scaling being family-based rather than BR-based, plus bosses just fucking looooooooooooove dropping AoEs on you in a series where AoE healing isn't a thing.

>>3708321
A lot of that stuff isn't in the manual because you have to figure out those things by yourself.

Also since it is a SaGa game, it isn't unheard of scrapping a file and restarting the game. Each time you will figure it out more and more until you get further and further. That was my struggle with Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song. I probably dropped it for a year after playing two or three different files. Then tried again and restarted a couple more times until it clicked with me, all without any walkthroughs. You have to be in the mindset that it is okay to fail. Hell I restarted the Gameboy games back when I was a kid.

>>3712012
>How many generations are there in romancing saga 2?
There is virtually no fixed number of generation shifts, the game works on various triggers based on the number of quests, type of quests and "game time" to determine a generation shift, game time being determined by the number of battles fought.
Generally speaking, playing the game normally usually causes a generation shift each three or four quests completed in the game, though again, some quests might force a generation shift regardless of said numbers, played in a "normal" way you can expect around six or seven generation shifts, if you want to do unorthodox runs like the Final Emperors VS the world runs then you'll get less generation shifts, the game is built in such a way that you can even defeat all the seven heroes during one generation without triggering a generation shift at all, though it takes some planning to do so.
Mind that a generation shift involves one of those transition screens that says "XXX years later...", normal party wipes aren't generation shifts and do not work as such.
>>3712395
>I still can't figure out the purpose of dominant hand
I might be wrong on this but I believe dominant hand was one of the mechanics that don't work due to bugs, I didn't play the first game that much so I might be wrong on that.
>Also I bought some water magic but I can't cast it for some reason, it says "Water 0/4".
Did you sleep at an inn after buying it?
>>3712406
>RS3 is the odd man out here because of its wonky HP-based quest triggers
Not anymore I guess, I'm pretty sure Scarlet's quest system works on HP triggers as well, unless the quest flags are way more complexly interwoven than I think.
>bosses just fucking looooooooooooove dropping AoEs on you
Well, you can still learn mikiri for many of those AoE, like Arakes' Blade Roll or any dragon's Tail Swipe, Maelstrom is still absolute bullshit though, even after being nerfed.

>>3709869
>Frontier 2 could be a nice change of pace
Decided to go with this. Took a while to figure out how anima and spell learning work, but so far it's a decent game.

What the actual fuck is going on? Is this some sort of metaficiton attack? Noel just said "you leave me no choice" and the he fucking broke the game. He didn't attack or anything, in fact nothing has happened since he said that. The music is still playing but everyone is just standing there.

I'm playing on the android version.

On a side note, should I use the bonus content or not? I've enabled it but I'm worried that it will break the game so I haven't touched it.

>>3714460
I updated and it's OK now. Though I got slaughtered by his actual second phase.

>>3713425
The trick with Frontier 2's magic is equipping the right combination of Quells, early on in the game you'll be forced to rely on tools but Quells is where it's truly at, it is also the game that effectively introduced channeling, so if you've played either Unlimited or Minstrel Song you'll easily get into it, both of those games refined Frontier 2's idea.

Being able to learn magic through command inputs or randomly is also a nice idea, it's pretty much the stepping stone between Frontier and the later games.

Who are you following, Wil or Gustave?
>>3714460
>>3714669
>and the he fucking broke the game
That was a notorious bug from the old android version.
Curiously enough the Vita version didn't have that bug, though it did have some audio ones, like Golden Strength's PLING's volume being so high it pierced your fucking ears.
>Though I got slaughtered by his actual second phase.
Well, that's Noel for you, his second phase requires a really tight strategy, it's not something you can do casually like Bokuohn or Dantarg, Noel uses a rather tough moveset that absolutely requires you to have some hard counters, if you don't have those you're getting slaughtered no matter how high your stats are.

>>3714460
>On a side note, should I use the bonus content or not? I've enabled it but I'm worried that it will break the game so I haven't touched it.
The thing with the new content isn't that it "breaks" the game in ways that could be said of other, easier series, so much that it gives you subtle advantages to nudge you away from situations that would make the game unwinnable.

For one, you can get LP potions in the Maze of Memory as a random treasure, meaning you're less likely to run into a situation where you're the Last Emperor/ess and you can't get them from the Witch anymore, locking you into taking on the Heroes with however much LP you have left.
This also means you can be more wasteful with them and use them to keep party members you like alive if you really want, which is pretty backwards from the way the original made you strategize but isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The new classes feel like they're just for convenience to give you more coverage of weapon type users, but don't feel like they're "game-breakingly" strong- if anything, they're pretty fun.
You do get weapons that are stronger than anything in the main game, though, which is pretty tempting, and the real reason people act like the new stuff is a bad thing is because there's a new accessory from an endgame quest that lets you have an additional male be immune to Rocbouquet's charm. And that's it, really.

Among said content there's also an optional superboss that's immune to the game's main "cheese" method, which is pretty cute.
However since the game's main appeal has always been "being batshit hard," it's ultimately up to you whether to use that stuff or ignore it. Which is the main reason it gave you the option to turn it off.

I did notice that the Orchard really makes you roll in money compared to the original, so there's that I guess.

>>3715292
>Who are you following, Wil or Gustave?
I've only done a little bit of each so far. Doing research and realizing it's possible to learn just about everything in Wil's first scenario is making it difficult to progress any further. I just can't stop myself from trying to learn everything.

Should I Really play SaGa frontier? A lot of people say its unfinished. Jus how much so?

>>3716052
It's much more efficient to make effective use of Kelvin, Nebelstern, Gustave, Johann, and Cielmer to learn the techs/arts they have talents for before going back to Wil's stories.

In order to get them to all open up in the first place you have to do everything more or less chronologically, and there are several high tier abilities that are only going to be available to Ginny's party, because difficulty for sparks are different for each individual character. (Main reason why Cody is so fantastic is her outstanding spear list)

>>3717141
it's about 10-20% unfinished. This includes a missing character and you could say most of what's missing from other characters is cut content rather than unfinished.

it's honestly such a good game that even just being unfinished somehow opens up a bunch of possibilities in the players mind just because of the richness of what's there.


SaGa Frontier, BEST RPG ON THE PSX

>>3716052
I know how you feel, it's only natural to do so because Wil's scenario is the gameplay one as opposed to Gustave's which is more story focused.
Though you don't really need to learn ALL magic or waza that early, your priority should be learning Guard Beast and Regenerate as they're bread and butter spells for bosses. Also, as>>3717185 says, it's actually more convenient to use Gustave's party in Vogelang rather than killing skellies if you want to grind early, Tiger Beetles, and the Griffin if you're gutsy, are pretty good for learning stuff fast.
>>3717141
>Should I Really play SaGa frontier?
Of course.
>A lot of people say its unfinished. Jus how much so?
There have been some quest cut, as a result Furdo's Workshop's and the Biolab still have their content but no story to contextualize it. One of the MCs got cut near the end of development so he's only playable as a normal party member and some parts of his quest still remains in the game in form of dialogues with other characters during other quests which can lead to wonder what the hell some people are even talking about, other than those there are small tidbits that got scrapped during development for other reasons, like one MC's gimmick for romance endings. Some places like Nelson were supposed to have some lore bits but they suffered from cuts as well.
Gameplay is fine and arguably one of the big steps forward for the series, if not a bit too easy and breakable for some people.

If you want some sort of persuasion based on more objective facts, consider that SaGa Frontier is one of the best selling PS games of all time in Japan, despite having suffered from heavy content cuts.
Besides, it's not nearly as offensive as Xenogears, and SF is actually a gameplay driven game.

No captcha, I already played enough Romancing SaGa 2, leave me alone, I just want to post on 4chan.

I cleared Taria's quest, what a hell of a ride her final boss was, I guess this game has routes, I didn't trigger the event shown in famitsu during her quest, I got a completely different one and I guess that's why her final boss battle was different from Leonard's, Firebringer also works differently from Leonard's quest, I was surprised.

Pretty interesting story I must say, it starts off weak but catches on near midgame, wonder how different her other route is.
And jesus christ, just how many quests are in this game? I can't believe they crammed in so much stuff to do, there's little reason to fight anything outside of quests unless you're hunting for certain ingredients.

This year also marks the 20nth anniversary for SaGa Frontier, let's hope the stars align and Kawazu is allowed to work on a remake.

>>3717553
Saga Frontier would be a good game to try and do a real-time SaGa game

like a 5 unit RTS Action RPG

>>3717185
>>3717223
>It's much more efficient to make effective use of Kelvin, Nebelstern, Gustave, Johann, and Cielmer to learn the techs/arts they have talents for before going back to Wil's stories.
I'll have to keep that all in mind. I didn't realize you couldn't stay at the pub once you came back with a quell so I wasn't able to squeeze out as many arts/spells as I was hoping to. Still got Regenerate and a bunch of other nice stuff that will probably make things easier going forward.

>>3717693
did you find all the quells?

Almost done with SaGa III/Final Fantasy Legend III.

Did anyone know what the fuck was going on in the plot during their first playthrough? I have a general idea of what I'm supposed to do most of the time, but no idea why my party is doing half of the shit they do in the story or how any of the events tie together. The whole game just feels very inconsistent and random - like the characters are just walking around with no actual clear objective outside of some vague leads and then consistently end up in some random place where an important event is happening about something. Gameplay-wise it is solid if not really all that similar to its predecessors.

Treasure of the Rudras had the exact same problem, which makes sense since it was made by the same team.

>>3718092
I got three of them I'm guessing that's all.

>>3718590
I think it might be actually. The Kris Knife is the best stat stick for magic defenses and status defense, it sucks to miss out on that or the pocket dragon.

I forget what the other one is.

The Bone Gloves that I think either Tyler starts with or you pick up in Hahn Ruins are pretty important too, Beast element is rare early on. The Silver Staff there is good for similar reasons.

I'm on the final empress in romancing saga 2, year 1513. Are there going to be any more timeskips to update the skill trainers and stuff? And if I get rid of one of the skills I recently sparked, will it still appear in the skill trainers list later or do I need to keep the skill equipped until the timeskip?

>>3718926
Sounds like I got them all then. The only thing I read that I missed was a fire staff from one of the scenarios which would be nice to have, but I'm sure I can get another one later.

>>3718209
I personally didn't care much, but effectively the game doesn't really pick up in terms of plot until you get Borgin, the rest is basically a quest of the week while time travelling back and forth.
The DS remake makes it vaguely more consistent but it's still a pretty random story, I personally don't mind but I can see why people wouldn't like it.
>Treasure of the Rudras had the exact same problem
I don't completely agree with that, it is similar to SaGa 3 in the sense that you don't have any solid lead on what you're looking for until the end but Rudra does have an individual plot for the protagonists, some have it more consistent like Surlent while others are weaker, like Liza, but the story is there, Sion has to find out what's going on with the appearance of a giant and all the weird changes in the world due to the prophecy, and he has to become a knight on top of that, Liza is on her quest as a ecofriendly priestess and Surlent gets killed over and over because he's a dumb fucker despite being supposedly the most intelligent of the MCs, the problem most people have with Rudra is that each MC tells a small part of a big story until they all unite and being able to switch on the fly might make the plot hard to follow, SaGa is similar but it works a bit differently because all the plot is self contained in a MC story despite having things in common with others, Rudra has three plotlines that converge into a singular one and you need to switch between all of the three often leaving something hanging, which might be hard to follow, or even remember at all.
>>3719058
Unless you played in a particular way, no, you won't have any more shifts. Judging by your in game time though it might be possible to get a short shift, like a one or two years shift, but I don't know about your game history.
>will it still appear in the skill trainers list later
Nope, you need a generation shift for that, so hold onto them.

>>3719058
Apparently my fusion magic finished and my trainers updated after beating Rocbouquet, even though there was no timeskip! Thank god!

So I own SaGa Frontier 2 for psx and I've played it to death. Is there any other SaGa games I could easily emulate that are translated and good on a toaster of a computer?

>>3720686
I did it! The final boss was balls-to-the-wall but I actually won on my first try; I was able to set up plenty of buffs on the first phase of the fight (gave my male tactician the cursed ring which made him immune to status I think), including my newly-obtained auto-revive. I had done a bit of grinding to prepare for endgame and I guess it paid off. I was also very lucky with the boss missing a couple crucial attacks and I still ended up running out of magic on all of my casters, barely surviving through using balms.

I think I faced the "weaker" forms of all the heroes and the final boss. Is this because I didn't fight a lot of random battles? How many fights do I need to have for them to get a strength boost?

In retrospect the android version's bonus content made the game easier than it should have been; I had a lot of surplus money, got an overpowered formation, and was able to fight some high-level enemies in the brief foray into the maze of memories I made earlier. I'm going to explore the maze then start a new playthrough soon.

>>3720906
Any of the GB SaGa run fine even on a potato, SaGa Frontier too.
>>3721440
>I was able to set up plenty of buffs on the first phase of the fight
Yeah, that's the plan, the Demonstone Ring protects you against charm, you're correct on that, did you get the Intaglio Ring from Viktor? That wards off even Astral Gate.
>Is this because I didn't fight a lot of random battles?
It depends, some heroes get stronger depending on the number of battles you fight, some others get stronger if you completed certain events or completed then in a certain order, if you kill Rocbouquet before meeting Noel for instance he won't give you the option of making peace and you'll fight him directly in his second form, killing the Lord of the Sea makes Subier go into his second form and so on, there's some of them who have weird flags like Dantarg, who has up to four different forms which iirc aren't actually linked to the number of battles fought, but I don't really remember all of the flags for each hero's different form.

Congratulation on winning against the heroes anyway, they're pretty tough, try taking on the Dread Queen, she's a bit cheap and I personally don't like her battle too much outside of her being immune to Quicktime, which is something the Seven Heroes should have got too.

How did you run out of JP on your casters though? Especially if you did grind enough to get Reviva, you should have more than enough JP to nuke them into oblivion with Crimson Flare doing like, 4000-5000 damage or more for each spell.

>>3721492

Thanks, I'll be checking out the GB ones

>>3721492
I didn't get anything from victor. Is that one of the bonus scenarios? I'm looking through a walkthrough to find stuff I missed and I don't see it. I've found lot of other things I missed, though.

>How did you run out of JP on your casters though?
I guess I wasted a lot of MP trying to stay alive. Crimson Flare did a bit over 3000 for me.

The Dread Queen is the maze of memories boss, right?
I never got quicktime but it does seem very overpowered.

Some other notes from my playthrough, and questions for future runs:
- I killed the brawler, which initially caused them all to disappear. But after having a brawler as emperor the place got re-populated and I was able to recruit brawlers.
- To level up quick I fought water dragons in the forest tower where you fight rocbouquet. They give 5555 exp each and respawn when you leave the room.
- I'm interested in the non-final emperor as final emperor trick. However one of the requirements is fighting Subier in the sunken ship. Can you make him appear there without killing the whale guy?
- How do you control where dantarg appears/doesn't appear?
- Is it actually better to use the same weapon type (or shared weapon type e.g. spears and rapiers) to pass on better weapon levels to future generations? Or do you get the same global experience regardless of how many characters are using a weapon?
- Do fusion attacks give full weapon experience to both magic types or half?
- Does the halberd give axe exp and can it spark axe techs?

>>3722234
>I didn't get anything from victor. Is that one of the bonus scenarios?
Yeah, during the last generation go to Viktor's chamber and talk with the minister there, near the very end of the game sleep in Gerald's bed and you'll trigger the event.
>Crimson Flare did a bit over 3000 for me.
That's pretty low, did you also use Bless?
>Can you make him appear there without killing the whale guy?
Yeah, I don't think killing the Lord of the Sea influences the spawn location at all, it just makes him go into his second form.
>How do you control where dantarg appears/doesn't appear?
I don't think you can, iirc his spawn points also change depending on his form, in all my playthroughs I never saw him spawn in any other place than the cave during the lost child quest and the cave during the first quest for the Saigo herders, but according to the game's data he can also appear in the cave where you find the minstrel's instruments and the first cave with the undeads, and of course the last dungeon.
>Or do you get the same global experience regardless of how many characters are using a weapon?
The global levels are influenced by your current highest level iirc, so they shouldn't be influenced by how many characters are using a certain weapon type but rather the maximum available level in your party
>Do fusion attacks give full weapon experience to both magic types or half?
I don't honestly know about this, you should check a wiki, try Kaerulabo, they usually have this kind of things explained in depth.
>Does the halberd give axe exp
Nope, it's a spear
>can it spark axe techs?
Rumours around the internet say that it was originally meant to work as such but I haven't found any actual source, in any case it doesn't, but you can use Axe waza with it if you have them in your list.

>>3723348
>That's pretty low, did you also use Bless?
No. What's that?

Thanks for the answers.

I found out about global and personal levels from a post on gamefaqs:

[Global level growth] = [Skill points received] + [MP/SP expended on skills of a specific type]

[Personal level growth] = ([Number of turns skill type was used on] / [Total number of turns]) x [Skill points received]

And fusion attacks count for both types of magic.

>>3723590
>No. What's that?
It's a built in unlockable waza for the Liberty Staff you find in the Sorcerer's house on Komulune, I guess it's localized as Komroon or something. It buffs spell damage obscenely, get your hands on it and try it out for yourself, your Crimson Flares will probably do around 5000 HP if not 6000 HP of damage per cast on a blessed magician, at least judging by your fire level since you did get Reviva.
>And fusion attacks count for both types of magic.
That they obviously do, but do they give half or full EXP? That's whay I don't know.
By logic they should give half and half but you never know.

Oh man, page 10 already?
/vr/ is becoming faster and faster.

Bump for inactivity

>>3725476
That's strange.

>>3723590
there were some good mechanics spergs on gfaqs

>>3727202
Yeah but any useful information is generally hidden within some random seemingly unrelated thread.

By the way, does anyone know what happens if you kill the sorcerer the first time you go to the volcano island (when he normally helps prevent the eruption)? And what happens if you choose to slaughter the armed merchants rather than demanding their surrender?

>>3726367
/vr/ is becoming more popular very fast, see how many /v/ meme threads are made nowadays compared to a few years ago.
>>3727634
>does anyone know what happens if you kill the sorcerer the first time you go to the volcano island
I don't think you can even fight him at that point.
>And what happens if you choose to slaughter the armed merchants rather than demanding their surrender?
Iirc you get locked out of all the Garon questline, so the invasion at Nuono and the sunken ship quest, and of course by proxy you can't recruit the Iris tribe or get to the village of the ancients, not to mention missing out on one of the best classes and formations in the game.

>>3728250
>I don't think you can even fight him at that point.
You can, I just found out. You need to get the stone boat from the forest so you can find out from the salamanders that the sorcerer is shady. Then when you talk to him for the first time you have the option to fight.
Unfortunately for me, his stone shower OHKOs my entire team at this point. He also regenerates HP and seems to be resistant to stun so I can't beat him yet. And I don't want to but off the quest otherwise there won't be enough time for the second half of the quest to occur.

Interesting to hear about the pirate stuff, thankfully I won't have to test it out now.

>>3728315
>You can, I just found out
Neat.
But then you'll get locked out of the second quest in Komulune if you kill him, though I suppose that would still let you recruit salamanders.
You'll probably won't be able to explore his mansion though, which means no Liberty Staff, so no Bless at all, I wonder how that would impact generation shifts though.
I wish they made more routes for more quests really, there's hardly an incentive to take certain routes sometimes.

Do we count Final Fantasy 2 as a SaGa game?
if so, whats the best version to play? I've been thinking about giving it another shot and seeing if maybe it's a gem that I misunderstood.

>>3728751
it's a forerunner but it's also still a final fantasy
sort of bridging the two

>>3717185
>It's much more efficient to make effective use of Kelvin, Nebelstern, Gustave, Johann, and Cielmer to learn the techs/arts they have talents for before going back to Wil's stories.
When exactly do you get a chance to use them? I'm at about 1256 going in chronological order with both characters and have only gotten to use Nebelstern once and haven't gotten Kelvin again since the very beginning. I'm not really too concerned since I have almost everything as it is, but it would be nice to get a few of the spells they can learn.

>>3729421
Well, the only thing you would really want to grind for is the Griffins in "Showdown! Alexei" I believe, since that's the only time you can fight a version of them that drops Water Mirrors, which are incredibly good shields. The best. The Crystal Wings are also good, but the flying dragons in the snowfields also drop them.

I know you can do the bridge/forest where you get the ice lance before that one, even though it comes chronologically after.

I don't think anybody is totally sure what locks you out of quest lines, but Nebelstern is one you can miss. If you've done them in chronological order, if General's memories isn't already open, then at the part you're at, it should open right after the anime faith fiasco, and I think you can do it before Wil vs Egg. Johan the Assassin and General's Memories should be open at about the same time and can be considered side quests that'll disappear if you leave them waiting. Nebelstern has a water mirror you can strip off him later, and Johan has a hybrid art that no one else can learn. Johan is real good at learning the sword arts Gustave isn't, and is a good candidate to learn the other tree hybrid art for swords too. Nebelstern is real good at beast arts iirc, so if you haven't gotten regenerate and guard beast, he'll get em for ya. I think you can even take him to Laubholz, but it's not the best idea.

>>3647090
autism

>>3655763
>me desu
cheap port when

>fighting the dragon boss in the Rotten Ruins
>party starts sparking endgame techs one after the other
>Poison Gas proceeds to wipe out the entire party in one shot
Fuck me in the ass.

I'm kind of sort of spoiling myself for the music of Scarlet Grave but oh man
That music so far is really great; they eve have themselves a little callback track to earlier themes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDrePFY9HW0

>>3729441
Ah okay, good. I'm on the Anima Faith Fiasco right now and I saw Johan the Assassin on the map. Sounds like everything is working out then.

>>3728751
FFII is the grandpa of SaGa, it's a honorary member of the series at the very least, pretty much like The Last Remnant.
>if so, whats the best version to play?
Either the NES original or the Wonderswan/PS remakes, avoid the GBA/PSP remakes because they dumb down the difficulty considerably, the WSC/PS remake is basically a direct port with enhanced graphics, music and some bugfixes.
I personally really appreciate the enemy placement as the game provides you exactly what you need to fight or even exploit if you follow the plot instead of wandering around, which is why I can't understand people who grind or those who think that hitting themselves is the proper and best way to play. Other than that though, it's still a very basic system even if you compare it to SaGa 1.
>>3730084
Ain't that a wonderful feeling?
>>3730315
Scarlet has a lot of throwbacks to earlier titles, Urpina's theme has a part that is basically Imperial SaGa's common battle theme on a different key, there's a semigeneric recruitable character which has exactly the same braids as Sara from RomaSaGa 3 and a very similar face too, many weapons in the top tier forging paths are from Minstrel Song, not to mention the Dragon Spear Gae Bolg from the SNES games is finally back with Dragon's Descent as a built in waza and you get it as a drop from Dragon Rulers, some Frontier spells like Tower are back and so on.
It's a great game, wish they made some animations a bit better and added some monster variety, but it's definitely a great mainline game with tons of content and quite a lot of new mechanics to learn and have fun with.

I started Romancing SaGa 2 (sfc) recently and have a couple questions. First, how do I start research on new weapons and armor? I've tried talking to the blacksmiths but I get nowhere. Also, is it possible to remove members from your party, or switch them with someone else? I'm not very far in yet - just took control of Gerard and dealt with the enemies in Avalon but haven't gone to the goblin cave yet.

So when do these games get hard? Beat the first three on gameboy and the first Romancing SaGa on SNES and none have given me that much trouble. Even Romancing SaGa's final boss wasn't too hard once I started playing more strategically.

It strikes me that in these games you just need to be a little more cautious and calculated when making gameplay decisions. It gives you the ability to save anywhere and everywhere, so that's honestly a large asset on how to play the game.

Anyway, I hear SaGa 2 is very difficult. Any others titles near its difficulty level?

So when do these games get hard? Beat the first three on gameboy and the first Romancing SaGa on SNES and none have given me that much trouble. Even Romancing SaGa's final boss wasn't too hard once I started playing more strategically.

It strikes me that in these games you just need to be a little more cautious and calculated when making gameplay decisions. It gives you the ability to save anywhere and everywhere, so that's honestly a large asset on how to play the game.

Anyway, I hear Romancing SaGa 2 is very difficult. Any others titles in the series near its difficulty level?

>>3731046
RS2>SF2>US>MS>SF>RS3
SF2 only gets extremely hard at the very end.
SF is only hard if you don't grind, but if you don't, the difficulty is almost perfect.
RS2 and US are straight up hard, and MS is hard until you figure out exactly what to do, then it becomes easy with a lot of optional challenge.

>>3730523
>First, how do I start research on new weapons and armor? I've tried talking to the blacksmiths but I get nowhere.
Fight another battle any go back, they cycle through a list of options and many are unavailable at the start.

>Also, is it possible to remove members from your party, or switch them with someone else?
Only if you kill them off.

>>3731046
>Romancing SaGa 2 is very difficult.
Not really

>>3731554
>>Romancing SaGa 2 is very difficult.
>Not really

>>3730315
>>3647079
>>3647135
>>3659814
>>3665368
>>3665389
>>3665393
>>3665382
>>3665379
>>3665375
>>3665372
>>3665847
>>3667214
>>3667313
>>3669468
>>Many many more

Not retro. Please keep SaGa discussion to Frontier 2 and earlier.

>>3731605

>>3731609
?

Do you think it's OK to talk about Metal Gear Solid V and Fallout 4 on /vr/ because they're sequels to long running series?

>>3731554
>Fight another battle any go back, they cycle through a list of options and many are unavailable at the start.
Thanks, that did the trick.

>>3731610
Chill out, it's a freaking SaGa general. We've talked the old games to death around in circles already. It's nice to have something new to discuss.

>>3731619
Then talk about them on /vg/. The entire point of /vr/ is to talk about old games to death. Talking about games that came out literally last month can't be justified based on the board rules whatsoever.

>>3731610
I'm sure if other generals had the same concentration of content posters and absolute dearth of shitposting that might be possible, but this is the only one.

If you kick up enough fuss here, we'll probably leave, and then this board will truly begin to rot.

Seriously go through this entire thread and try to find one shit post and ask yourself if your complaints are actually motivated by justice or if you're willing to become the first shitposter here.

>>3731621
I'm good here thanks. A SaGa general would get buried instantly on /vg/ anyways. We barely have enough people to keep one afloat here.

>>3731625
Based on the fact that any discussion about games on consoles post-1999 is in blatant violation of the board rules, this thread is chock-full of shitposts.

>>3731634
but doing this won't erase your own failures. it won't make your real life less stressful. I know what you're doing, you're just going around breaking things, straightening them, evening them out. but you can't straighten out what's broken inside. no matter what you try to do, when you sit around trying to drag others down to your level of misery instead of trying to elevate yourself, you only compound your sense of powerlessness with your contrived justification of it.

you can report whatever you want but there are going to be zero people who appreciate you for it and I urge you to try to be cool for once in your life instead of forcing your internal stress onto others.

>>3731638
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I just want to talk about Romancing SaGa without half the fucking thread being about new shit that doesn't belong on this board. There's no reason why this thread deserves special treatment.

>>3731046
The only truly hard games in the series are Romancing SaGa 2, SaGa Frontier 2, Minstrel Song and Unlimited, all the rest is either balanced or a bit too broken once you figure out a few tricks.
>Even Romancing SaGa's final boss wasn't too hard once I started playing more strategically.
That's the way to do it, it's all about creating a good strategy to counter things and knowing how the game work, if you understand this you'll hardly have much trouble with the series, at least, anything that isn't RomaSaGa 2 or Unlimited, but one is almost gratuitously difficult and with tons of difficulty spikes and the other one is just plain weird to play albeit suffering from a few crippling design decisions that almost erase any challenge in the game once you find them.

None of the games are what I'd call Wizardry 4 hard, but Wizardry 4 is basically a puzzle game.
>>3731554
>Not really
Trying too hard here.
>>3731605
Report those posts if you want, most are mine, I don't give a shit.
This is one of the few threads where people actually talk about games, some minor non retro discussion isn't any worse than all of the shitposting going on on /vr/.
>Talking about games that came out literally last month can't be justified based on the board rules whatsoever.
Jesus, you're bitching about a few posts regarding a game that people have been waiting for since more than a decade and isn't even covered in the west?
Go enforce your zero toleration rule somewhere else, /vr/ is full of off topic shit since years and chronic shitposting, at least the people in these threads don't litter the board with garbage and the non retro discussion is kept at a minimum and is always relevant to the series.
Why don't you also go bitching in the Doom general since they were talking about Doom 3 for instance?
>>3731629
Honestly, I was thinking about moving the threads to Infinitychan because they will never, ever risk dying in there, /vr/ is already too fast for these threads.

>>3731641
>There's no reason why this thread deserves special treatment.
yeah it does, is what I'm telling you

if you can't understand this you will literally never be happy

>>3731647
I'm perfectly happy right now. I don't know what you're attempting to do. Rules are rules and all the posts in this thread about non-retro games get in the way of retro discussion.

>>3731641
>I just want to talk about Romancing SaGa without half the fucking thread being about new shit that doesn't belong on this board.
the people who are willing to talk about Romancing SaGa are the same ones posting and reading about scarlet, so if you alienate them by doing this you won't end up with anyone to talk to, cause we'll just fuck off for the next week or two until the sour taste is gone

>>3731642
>Honestly, I was thinking about moving the threads to Infinitychan because they will never, ever risk dying in there, /vr/ is already too fast for these threads.

Yeah, if you're looking for somewhere with a sense of permanence then 4chan really isn't a good place. Have you thought about looking for a more traditional forum that's based around SaGa? I'm sure they're out there.

>>3731664
>if you're looking for somewhere with a sense of permanence
I for one am absolutely not looking for any such thing

>>3731664
It's not really about permanence and I don't like forums, I prefer places where people can post as Anon without being forced to create an account for whatever reason.
Also, I said Infinity but I had some kind of lapsus, I meant Eternitychan, VF posted a link to the SaGa thread there with the Scarlet Grace review, it's a nice place as long as you don't mind the nonexistent traffic and old interface, most of the userbase there is made up of oldfags too and the place is not well known so there's zero shitposting which is good too.

http://www.eternitychan.org/general/res/5709.html

We should be able to talk about the series at our own pace without threads dying, so even getting one reply a week is more than enough, I'd like to be able to keep the threads on /vr/ too but it's already too fast of a board for us, and despite my personal complaints about the rule enforcement, Anon is still kind of right, Eternitychan doesn't have that ruleset so people there could discuss the series however they want, lack of WEBMs and small file upload size shouldn't be much of an issue, I hope.
And I'm kind of tired of having the constant worry about threads dying and having to make a new one all the time, I'm not always able to check on them and there's not enough traffic to keep them on.

Anyway, you people decide, I'll keep making these threads but from today on I'll also post stuff on Eternity and eventually make more threads there, if people come together and decide to move them to a more convenient place, all the better.

>>3731684
naw idk

I think I might be done. I've blogposted quite a bit here about what I'm playing and done a lot of tutorial posts for new people, but I'm not sure what that really does for me that can't be better served by doing some real writing and connecting it with some decent videos on youtube.

like you wanna talk about permanence, I could just take this shit seriously and leave the chans behind at that rate

become an actual journalist or something

>>3731684
>We should be able to talk about the series at our own pace without threads dying, so even getting one reply a week is more than enough, I'd like to be able to keep the threads on /vr/ too but it's already too fast of a board for us, and despite my personal complaints about the rule enforcement, Anon is still kind of right, Eternitychan doesn't have that ruleset so people there could discuss the series however they want, lack of WEBMs and small file upload size shouldn't be much of an issue, I hope.

It sounds like you should make your own forum and set it up as anon. If you already find /vr/ a little too fast for your liking. For me it's too slow if anything. I wouldn't follow to either another forum or chan, but SaGa isn't a serious interest for me anyways I'm here for /vr/ talk in general and like these threads because I like this series as well.

>>3731696
it has no discoverability so I don't see how this idea works

>>3731720
I dunno... You're the one who wants somewhere even slower than here.

>>3731610

>>3731732
I'm not that guy