/vr/ - Retro Games

I have a snes and a genesis connected to a pvm. I have an issue with each console requiring a separate adjustment in the service menu to fix the horizontal center. Is there a way I can resolve this issue without having to go into the service menu every thing I want to switch between consoles?

>>3677451
no. Each console have their own sync timings that will shift a bit.

>>3677451
It's not too hard. Once you get the muscle memory down, it'll only take you a few seconds to open the menu and make the adjustments.

Although, I bought a switcher with a build-in sync stripper last spring, and ever since then all of my consoles seem to be on point in terms of horizontal sync. Might be unrelated, but I definitely don't notice as big of a difference as I used to.

>>3677539
Can you link to the switch you have?

>tfw you will never inherit $100 million dollars and open a factory producing high end PVMs for gamers

>>3677614
I always wondered if I were stupid rich would gaming even be fun anymore

>>3677613
It's that stupidly expensive gscart switch that the guy makes in his basement. You have to get on a wait list for them. They offer a lot of functionality, though.

You could just look into a stand-alone sync stripper to see if that helps your issue.

>>3677425
Theres more black space than there is image.

>>3677425
Clean that speck of jizz off your tube, you degenerate.

Sort the following brands of CRT TV into high medium and low quality, adding notes and tips when appropriate.

Sanyo

Sylvania

RCA

Hitachi

Magnasonic

Mitsubishi

NEC

Prima

General Electric

Goldstar

Symphonic

Toshiba

JVC

Sony

Magnavox

Sharp

Samsung

Philips

Panasonic

Sears

Apex

>>3677642
>this again
None of this matters. These sets are all 10+ years old now, at LEAST, and any set could be better/worse than another based on wear and tear.

>>3677636
900TVL BVM way up close will look like that, here's a full screen shot
>>3677641
i did, thanks.

>>3677667
wrong one

>>3677642
>>3677664
this

you got a few replies last thread, read them and bugger off

What kind of TV should I look for if I want to use SCART from my Super Famicom? More specifically which ones would be common in the US?

>>3677614
>how to throw away $100 million dollars

>>3677739
>support 1080p or higher resolutions
>add some digital inputs
>run a marketing campaign convincing FPS kiddies that it'll improve their gameplay
>$800+ price tag for the entry tier model

There's money in it, just like all the other niche "gamer" merchandise.

>>3677692
Unless you want to use a converter, PVMs

>>3677769

PVMs don't have scart, dummy

>>3677692
SCART is a cable, not a video format. What format do you want? RGB, I assume? Your only real options are broadcast monitors and computer monitors.

>>3677791
(ツ)

>>3677796
QM series wasn't sold in the US you smug twat

>>3677813
it's still a PVM (ツ)

>>3677815
Barely

t. 2950QM owner

>>3677795
Yeah I want RGB. With further research I found there are SCART to component adapters but they don't include audio, it seems like the SNES SCART cables output audio over it. I found some CRTs on craigslist in my area with component, I would need to find a solution to this problem though.

>>3677871
Just get a breakout box then

>>3677903
Oh I get it. Good idea. Thanks.

>>3677871
>>3677914
>>3677903
many just drill a hole in the converter and put a jack socket, there are some vids in yt

>>3677828
6 months ago I would have been jelly as fuck, but not anymore.

is it safe to open my CRT case and have a bit of a look inside?

i don't wanna mess with anything I just wanna see how this beauty looks inside but all of these warning labels are scaring me

>>3677620
the answer is no

>>3677978
Yes, it's safe. Leave it unplugged, don't touch anything you don't know about. Don't fuck with the copper yoke. If you want extra protection, rubber gloves and insulated tools if you're poking around.

consumer crt disassembly is a bit annoying, professional monitors usually just have a top shell to pop off with a few screws.

>>3677642
>I have severe autism

>>3677828

That looks like shit. Does it do RGB?

>>3677463

So, is this why Playstation games are shifted to the right? I asked about that in the last thread, but then I went to bed and now it's gone.

>>3677942
Whatcha got den?

How to mount this in my arcade cab?

>>3678179
Yes it does. Only ~500tvl though.

I much prefer my 20F1s, IBM P260 and ViewSonic G90f. My Kuro 428XD/OSSC combo as well, to be honest. It is nice for multiplayers though, at a distance.

Thanks lads, I plunked down the money and got that FW900 I was looking at (it hasn't shipped yet, though). Once it arrives, and I get it running with an emulator, I'll take pics for you lads.

Also, just got off the phone with Gamestop. Not only did they not carry Wii or WiiU component cables, I had to explain to them what component cables were.

Can the thickness of scanlines be adjusted? Will adjusting the height of the screen effect scanline thickness?

>>3678336
>shopping at GamerStop

>>3678350
are you emulating, or using a console? If you're emulating, you might be able to spread the scanlines apart by doubling the output resolution and changing the refresh rate to match, if it's a 480p-compatible monitor.

>>3678350
do you mean the blank lines? Every line of resolution is a scan line. The blank (black) ones - the size of them depends on the size of your CRT and how many lines it has. If it's a 900 line CRT and it's getting a 240p image, it'll have very thick scanlines. 480i/p on a 1000 line crt will have pretty thick scanlines.

>>3678364
480i and 480p don't have scanlines.

There's a PVM-8040 being sold near me on craigslist for $40. Are these TV's worth getting, even if it's only 8 inches? I'm fine with the size, but is the picture really that good compared to other crt's?

>>3678359
>>3678364

I'm talking about on a CRT using a console. I don't think I really understand how scanlines work. The blank lines. So, their size on a single set is static and doesn't change?

>>3677642
I could do this but there's so many conditionals.

Anyone want some 8 inch PVMs?

>>3678371
Everything on a CRT has scanlines anon

>>3678371
use an hd pro monitor then get back to me

>>3678392
get bigger scanlines with a clean source (ie rgb) and a larger display. Most visible on 240p because that is about half the expected resolution of typical crts. You can still see blank lines with lower end signals, but they are not as prominent.

better than any pvm if I'm identifying this correctly

>>3678404
What's that one with the expansion card?

>>3678414
the card is a bkm129x (I have 4 of them) and it's worth more than the monitor. I've seen a few of those online for surprisingly good prices.

>>3678420
I meant, what monitor is that expansion card plugged into?

>>3678404

Do you ship? How much?

>>3678404

What is it even like to game on an 8"? My smaller gaming monitor is 20", and even that feels a bit small.

>>3678430

What's it like to game on a Gameboy?

>>3678430
it's novel. Good work bench monitors.

>>3678442

>>3678447
also yes that is rgb. also has ypbpr.

>>3678409
>>3678413
No they don't. 480i and 480p do not have solid black scanlines because they use the full resolution. 240p only uses half the resolution, hence the black lines.

>>3678452

Aren't the lines on a CRT considered a scanline even when it's filled?

>>3678452
480i/p can still have scanlines depending on the display. CRT's aren't fixed resolution displays, and the 'space' between lines is determined by display size and beam width. So on a large, high-TVL display you still will get dark lines between the actual scan lines.

This is pretty apparent on CRT projectors, even with 480p signals, you can get some pretty big spaces between lines.

>>3678452
use an hd pro monitor

>>3678456
all lines are scan lines, blank lines are just called scanlines because emulatorfags

>>3678452
480p has scanlines on any high resolution CRT.

480i has exactly the same scanlines as 240p. They just flicker on and off 30 times a second.

>>3678456
Yes they are. People seem to think the black spaces are scanlines but they're not.

>>3678459
bingo. consumer sets butcher this because pretty much every hd consumer set has processing. very visible on my HTM.

>>3678459
>So on a large, high-TVL display you still will get dark lines between the actual scan lines.

I have thin black lines between scanlines on my 900 TVL 20" PVM.

Got this for $10.

How did I do?

>>3678573

Are you wearing pants?

>>3678573
Post a picture of its back. Also what the other anon asked...

>>3678573
cute feets and thicc legs. wanna cuddle?

>>3678573
Consumer set. check

Curved screen, check

Composite inputs, check

Japanese brand, check

Ham legs, check

>>3678608
Not him but after curved screens better or worse than flat? My consumer Trinitron is flat.

>>3678623

Curved screens are better than flat.

>>3678623
>after
*are

>>3678625
Any particular reason? What makes them better?

>>3678628

I've never owned a flat screen and can't remember the particular reasons besides light guns not working properly, but it has something to do with geometry and convergence being worse on a flat or something like that.

>>3678628
Less geometry issues

But assuming a curved and flat CRT both have perfect geometry, the flatscreen is far better.

>>3678630
>>3678636
Gotcha. I'm not a regular on these threads and just saw the post scrolling through. Figured I'd ask. I don't think I have any geometry issues. My set looks great to me when playing games.

>>3678642

All that matters in the end is that it looks great to you and you're happy with it.

>>3678646
this

The point of us striving for the best picture quality is to get something that we can look at and be satisfied with and not distracted by. But not everyone likes the same thing. If you're content and happy with your picture quality, then nothing else needs to be done.

Sorry for the late replies, got sidetracked.

>>3678413
That's an Ikegami TM14-17RZ. Here's a better picture of it from last week before I rearranged my storage unit. Notice the 20L5 sitting on top of a flight case in the very back corner? The flight case also has a monitor in it, a PVM-14M4. The little 5041Q is already spoken for.

>>3678425
Yeah. I'll price the monitors a little less than eBay average sold prices. The shipping depends on who you want me to use.

>>3678414
It's a PVM-9L2. I had an extra card sittin' around so I put it in. The two small monitors in the rack are also 9L2s.

>>3678430
Depends on how close you sit. It's fine if it's on your computer or work desk. I mostly use them for demonstration purposes at local gaming events.

>>3678630
>light guns not working properly
Light guns work just fine on flat tubes.

>geometry and convergence being worse on a flat or something like that
High end flat sets don't have the egregious geometry problems that you will see on the shitty ones. Both styles have there own flavor of geometry imperfections. Whether you prefer flat or curved is a matter of personal preference.

>>3678394
What conditionals?

Can moving a TV to another house after it changes owners cause its deflection and geometry to change?

If you use a steel dolly to move a TV is there a chance the metal of the dolly will pull the magnets on the tube out of alignment?

>>3678630
> Light give not working properly on flat crts

I spent like four hours playing Time Crisis 2 and 3, Virtual Cop 1 and 2 and, House of the Dead on my flat Toshiba today. I'm not entirely sure where you heard that but it is entirely false.

>>3678702
>what conditionals
Ranking CRT brands is difficult for a couple reasons. Every brand has its stinkers. Some models are garbage, some are great. Some are overpriced, some are undervalued. Some brands are just rebadges of other brands (Olympus is the best example). These factors can change over the years or by territory. By the mid 2000s, few manufacturers remained in the game.

It's easier to rank specific models, to be honest. Even a layman can download brochures and compare specs. If someone made a comprehensive spreadsheet of known CRT models and their specs, perhaps a leader would become clear.

>>3678404
so cool!

>>3678642
If your screen doesn't warp around when bright colors come on, then you might have the best flat screen ever made.

>>3678729
>If your screen doesn't warp around when bright colors come on
That has nothing to do with being curved or flat. That is a voltage regulation issue. The issues some flat tubes have are with horizontal linearity and pincushion.

>>3678709
>I'm not entirely sure where you heard that but it is entirely false.
Unfortunately, that is a somewhat common and very persistent misconception probably promulgated by those who are unwittingly using ED and HD sets.

>>3678574
>>3678576
>>3678596
>>3678608

s'not me. It's the pic from the craigslist ad.

>>3678404
I WANT.

Got a throwaway email?

>>3678729
Bubble tubes do that too. Just as bad.

>>3678241
mitsu xc3730
I would have been mad because few years ago there was a 2930 floating not too far (well 250km is kinda far but less than usual ads) and I took too long to contact seller. When I did it was already sold.

Saved this Sharp CX-34G3 from the road, only does composite but came with its controller.

>>3677871
get a real shinybow sb-2840 and not a cheap chinese knockoff. Its ~$75 new but can be found used. Much better components and build quality, also has audio jacks.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/88qrqk

Link related, htpc 240p build on a new socket. Should have plenty of grunt for butter smooth 5th gen since it specs at ~2x rec'd for PS2 emulation.

Just got a hand-me-down CRT from my brother-in-law. It's not a bad 18", but there's a slight deal with games I've noticed. When I was playing the Link to the Past, I noticed that there seems to be some subtle blue-ish ghosting on some outlines, and especially the text. Is there anything you can do to help fix this? Or am I just going to have to deal?

>>3678983
Eh, "ghosting" might not be the best term. Guess I should've said "blurring."

>>3678985
what connection are you using? what is available? Could be artifacting. If it's ghosting the sharpness is probably too high

>>3678890
Oh cool. You definitely dodged a bullet as the Mitsubishi is in another league. Heck, it's on a different planet.

2950 does look very cool though, from every angle. Is my hipster showing?

>>3678983
Blue ghosting/blurring sounds like a convergence issue to me.

Welcome to the house of fun.

>>3679026
the mitsu has the weird super power of making md/gen jailbars really fucking obvious. With the same console on the jvc or the bvm, I almost can't see them.

>>3679012
Composite, and those are the only ports available for it. Sharpness didn't seem to do anything for it. I think there's a good chance the RGB is slightly unaligned.

>>3679037
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. I don't know if I care enough to open the thing up to just do a mild tweak. Is it seriously as dangerous to fuck with that as people seem to think it is? I just saw some redneck on youtube touch the shit with his bare hands to fix an arcade monitor.

>>3679045
Put it this way:

It's extremely dangerous to cross the road if you're a moron. How do you feel about crossing roads?

>>3679054
Gotcha. Guess I'll considering opening the thing up someday.

>>3678404
How much for this one and what is model number?

>>3679045
if some redneck on youtube can fix the inside of it, what does it say about you who's afraid to even open it up?

>>3678979
>$66 for Kenzai
If it's for someone going from nothing to an RGB sourced setup, why not go with an Extron paired with an BNC to Male SCART breakout? Should be cheaper, and even reduce cabling.

>>3679147
$60 and $6 for the rgb scart cable or $20 for a sony rgb cable.

Like a SC-110? I just picked it because it was powered by the +5v pin and is cheaper than the usmc with a case shipped.

Interested in your take on VGA-YPbPr.

>>3679224
I mean, based on the build in that link. Getting RGBS would be cheaper and simpler using an Extron Interface(I personally have an 109xi) to go from the VGA out the PC(eliminating the extra VGA cable) and then feeding that to the Shinybow via the male SCART to BNC.

The buffered front connection would also be useful for if you don't have your machine set to boot in 15khz explicitly, and want to have a standard PC monitor connected up for dealing with that.

That'd be something like $50(the majority of it being from the breakout, Extron interfaces can be had for ~$10 or so on ebay.)

If the SC-110 would take RGBHV and spit out RGBS without any issues, it could probably be used in place of an Interface, but I have no experience with that as such.

>>3679252
I will look into the extrons, I plan on flashing the card with atom 15 to boot in sd.

Is it just me or did Samsung make incredibly good small CRTs in the late 90s?

I've seen some little Samsung CRTs that have picture quality just under PVM quality. It's really strange considering their larger CRT screens aren't so great.

Anybody can explain this?

>>3679278
koreans are a small people

>>3678336
Just get Wii component cables on Amazon, they're super cheap.

>>3678956
Cute looks like a nice size set for chilling.

>>3678838
jacksonville@clockworkgiantpandas.com

>>3679069
It's a 9L2 and I'm not shipping it with that card inside just fyi. I have two others mounted in the rack. Contact me for a price. The average sold on ebay is $80.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=pvm%209l2&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1

>>3678380
Picture is really really great in my opinion. Try bringing him down in price.

I've heard people say that you can permanently damage a CRT from messing around in the service menu.

Does this mean that raising or lowering certain settings beyond thresholds can strain the CRT components to failure?

Or does it mean that you can make the image so wonky/faint/out or shape that it's impossible to see the menu in order to change it back?

What is a good site that teaches definitions of common service menu terms and advice to adjust them properly?

If you choose to go even further and physically adjust the CRT parts with the back cover removed, what actions can you take there?
I know of tweaking potentiometer screws, turning rings on the neck of the tube, and moving around magnets taped/glued to the sides of the tube. Are there any more actions here to calibrate the screen?

>>3679680
I've heard people say mew is under a truck my man.

>>3679680
Just make sure you don't turn on the self destruct sequence in the service menu and you'll be fine brah

>>3679680
>Mechanical damage from fucking around in service menu

I've neeeeeeeeeeeeever encountered someone doing irreparable or otherwise physical damage to components by fucking around in the service menu.

What CAN happen is that you fuck up the image and don't know how to unfuck it. This is why it's VERY important to write down what things were set to in the first place, find the service manual so you know what the values you are changing do, make your changes incrementally.

It's not that it will ruin anything component wise it's that it's a colossal pain in the ass to get it back to zero essentially.

>>3679680
>>3679753
wasn't there a dude in previous thread that soft-bricked his tv because one setting basically condensed display to a line, thus being unable to repair because he couldn't see shit...

>>3679753
I've heard that there is sometimes an "aging" mode which is quite dangerous. Never come across it myself.

>>3679771
Yeah that guy fucked up royally. Was there ever a happy ending to that particular story or did he end up sending the poor thing to an early grave?

>>3679252
would an extron help with this anons problem?

>>3677451

>>3679037
Is this real life?

>>3679771
>>3679776
I think, but I'm not sure, that he was able to navigate blind and fix his fuck up. However, a collapsed raster is no joke. Many displays lack protection against such calamity and allow the beam to get so intense that it burns the phosphors within seconds.

>>3680175
Naw man it's just fantasy.

>>3680212
Caught in a scan line

>>3680216
No escape from geometry

>>3680175
>>3680212
>>3680216
>>3680223

>>3680175
I saved a collapsed raster once

All it took was some saltfish, ackee and a bottle of Red Stripe

>>3677642
Lists such as this are dumb as fuck because usually internally the CRT itself can be manufactured by a completely other corporation and of course it depends on the region.

For example commonly found in European designers brands such as B&O,Metz,Loewe,Grundig were Philips CRTs.
Another case around late era of CRTs Panasonic Quintrix sets were sold under the Philips brand in Europe while at the same time Philips had their own "flat" sets.


You mentioned so many corporations yet not the legendary stinker FUNAI

>>3680175
>However, a collapsed raster is no joke. Many displays lack protection against such calamity and allow the beam to get so intense that it burns the phosphors within seconds.

That's interesting.

When I go into my Toshiba service menu there are about 55 settings.
Some of them actually increase/decrease the brightness/contrast when you move to them, even though you didn't adjust them.
I guess this is to help you adjust that setting by seeing the changes easier.

On one setting I do not see anything but a single bright horizontal raster beam in the middle of the screen. It goes black in less than a second (perhaps to protect the phospors).
That's when there is nothing displayed on the TV.
However, when I enter the service menu when a game is being displayed on the screen and I go to this setting, I get an *extremely* bright raster beam (never thought any display could ever be that luminous) that doesn't go away in less than a second (I flipped to another setting after 2 seconds because it was hurting my eyes).

What is this setting?

>>3678336
weird, I got mine at a gamestop

http://www.gamestop.com/wii/accessories/wii-component-cable/75595

Have some s-video gameboy player

here are some pics of this little goldstar tv i picked up for 5 bucks the other day. it was coated in grime but it came clean. its a 5 inch color screen with a/v inputs. i like it for testing and its fun to play on such a tiny screen, the only problem is the color is fucked and i have no idea how to fix this

>>3680259
>What is this setting?
Not sure, but whatever it is, it is disabling vertical deflection.

>>3680621

it even came with a battery pack that I could load up with 9 D batterys if i so chose. 1987 was a wild year.

>>3680619
>color is fucked
In what way?

>>3680627
divine for size

>>3680629

i'll show you, i ran a test suite, the picture isnt straight either

mario 64 looks good but you can see where the color is not correct on the left near his hat

>>3680630
blue

>>3680637
red

>>3680641
green

it has a degauss button, and it appears to work, but it doesnt fix the discoloration. could be burn in in that spot? no idea

>>3680646
and grid test. you can see its slightly twisted and not level. i don't even know where to start when trying to get this correct and since its more of a novelty im not too worried.

>>3680619
That's awesome. I love little sets like this, I have a few but they're all black and white with no AV inputs. Finding a color one is a rarity.

I do have a B/W Sony Mega Watchman that I put a composite video input on, luckily most portable sets of that style are dead simple to mod one onto.

>>3680651

yeah, as soon as I saw it was color with an a/v i had to have it. i didnt even test it at the goodwill, i had a good feeling about it, plus it does am/fm radio which is a nice little bonus

>>3680635
>>3680637
>>3680641
>>3680646
Does it get better if you decrease contrast?

>>3680650
You might find some internal pots that adjust geometry.

>>3680685

contrast doesn't change anything, but when I turn the color all the way down and run it through the color test the discoloration still appears. could that be a phosphor thing?

ill crack it open and show you whats there.

>>3680705
You will have to adjust the purity ring, if it has one. I kind of expect a CRT this small just to have magnets glued to the tube.

>>3680705
I'm thinking that either the tube is magnetized and needs a more powerful degauss coil than the one built in, or the shadow mask is warped.

If I wanted to get a 13/14 inch PVM with RGB, what's a realistic price to buy them at?

>>3680720

so it looks like there are ten pots on the board, with two more on the tube. one does overall brightness, seems to fill in from the top left corner, the second does focus. i assume these are fine tunings for other stuff done on the board.

ive never delved into a crt before, but it all seems pretty straightforward

Assuming they are labeled, I would expect the one you are looking for to fix your geometry would be labeled something like "pin" or "pincush" What ever you adjust, make small adjustments and note the original position. Also, be careful what you touch and keep one hand in your back pocket as a precaution. You are working in the vicinity of high voltage.

>>3680736
You're going to want to adjust the purity ring on the tube. It's usually the forward most adjustment ring, closest to the yoke. Use a razor blade to scrape the paint off so they're easily adjustable, then adjust the tabs closer and further for a coarse adjustment, then once you get that good, move them both together for a finer adjustment.

The back two rings are usually Red-Green convergence and Blue-Green convergence, your set looks pretty good in that department so those shouldn't need adjustment.

so I played with all the pots I could locate, some seem to collapse the image, others are for color and one is for vertical compression. a few i can't figure out and i think they were linked to the analog receivers, so i dont care if thats fucked because thats never coming back.

>>3680752

im going to look into that for another day. im doing this in my living room and drinking.

>>3680751

lol, ive been just twisting away with my screw driver. good luck!

>>3680720
$100 or less

>>3680762
>>3680720
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=pvm%2014m2&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1

PVM-14L5. $250 in my area after 2 years of waiting.

Do I pull the trigger?

>>3680712
>You will have to adjust the purity ring, if it has one. I kind of expect a CRT this small just to have magnets glued to the tube.

Do large CRTs have magnets glued to the tube as well or do the rings replace the need for magnets?

If you transport a CRT using a steel dolly can the magnets shift towards the dolly and screw up the picture?

>>3681321
Sounds like a lot for a 14" monitor, but I don't follow these prices too closely.

>>3681730
>Steel dolly

Hi rob

>>3681321
i paid 300 for mine.

i'd do it, multiformats are awesome

Consumer Trinitron life

>>3678430
Its really great for solo play but very awkward for multiplayer but why would you do that when you can throw away your money on a mememeister or a 20" monitor.

Pop quiz.

Does anyone here have more than a passing interest in plasma screens for gaming?

Do you think it would be worth setting up a separate /PDP/ thread?

>>3682031
Just do it if you really want too. You're going to get bitched at no matter what even if some people are interested.

Do you guys play in a pitch dark room or do you keep some kind of light on while playing? I feel like I should get some kind of dim lighting or lamps with dimmer switches to put behind where I sit for gaming.

Satan is pretty cute

>>3682031
It probably wouldn't last terribly long, and be even more prone to shit posting than here. People have tried similar stuff before and they threads never stayed going for any great period of time.

>>3682070
Usually pitch black, but I wouldn't mind a bit of lighting here or there, so long as it didn't cause glare or anything. My setup just doesn't make that a very easy thing to pull off though.

>>3682070
You should have some kind of bias lighting. Ideally a D65 light with a CRI of at least 90 located out of sight behind the display diffusing onto a neutral gray wall. Although a dim light in the corner of the room is better than no light at all and will at least help prevent eye strain and enhance contrast perception.

>>3682031
Nobody would be interested, though plasmas are pretty good for retro vidya. Older 4:3 Pioneers in particular.

>>3682031
>>3682419
Even Fudoh (Mr. CRT himself!) raved about how perfect 240p content looked on the Pioneer V402

>>3682391
>D65 light with a CRI of at least 90 located out of sight behind the display diffusing onto a neutral gray wall

Do you have a type of lamp or whatever that you can recommend for this?

So I have a CRT monitor I got for free from the last owners of the house I moved into, and it's setting right next to a minifridge right now. The picture looks fuzzy on that side, and the black edge is bulging. Only very, very slightly, but still noticeable once you see it. I don't think it looked that way before? The fridge is what is warping it and I should move it as soon as possible, right? Will it get worse?

I don't know if I will be able to put it anyplace else for the time being. Is that a big problem?

It's an RCA Colortrak if that matters

Can a VCR sitting right on top of my PVM cause any kinds of problems at all?

>>3682441
>Do you have a type of lamp or whatever that you can recommend for this?
I have yet to go full autismo on this, so I can't give any specific recommendations. Aquarium lighting would probably be a good place to start though.

>>3682558
>Can a VCR sitting right on top of my PVM cause any kinds of problems at all?
It shouldn't.

>>3680641
Definitely some impurity issues, most likely the degauss button isnt doing the trick. If all else fails, a degausser is what you would need, but if you have any large magnets lying around those might do.

>>3682659

I once degaussed a monitor by putting it by a larger monitor and degaussing that one. He could try that.

>>3682478
It's just going to get worse over time. Move it now. Magnets pull things towards them, and there is a level of correction CRTs can do to themselves. Once they're pulled far enough in one direction, they can no longer correct themselves.

If it's not in use, store it somewhere dry and without anything magnetic near it.

>>3682070
I have a few lamps in the corners of the loft, I play with the lights off sometimes too though.

>>3682061
>>3682280
>>3682419
Hmm...

Maybe I'll give it a try but if it goes to absolute shit would discussing them here be in any way appropriate?

>>3677425

i'm a bit confused by this sync stuff.. maybe someone could shed some light on the situation for me !

i'm looking at getting a some rgb scart cables to run my ps2 & wii into a sony pvm 20m4e.
do i need to get csync or the cheaper sync on luma? will both type of cables work or only one?
if i understand correctly, csync will provide a cleaner picture.. but is it even something i'll notice with those consoles and that set up.

>>3678404
Got anything in the 12-14 inch range there?

Looking to get a PVM for my bench to do RGB modding.

>>3682760
>/crt/
>plasma
you wot m8?

Just ake a plasma thread, you're anonymous. Why do you give a shit if it's good enough or not? we wouldn't even recognize it was you after the fact unless you have images you reuse constantly.

Some people know me here if I post pics of my cabin but >>3682770
iirc ps2 doesnt do c-sync so syync on luma is the best. Do your research though.

C-sync: Composite sync, no image just sync. Top tier
Sync on Luma: Uses picture side of the Y/C format. Less interference because no color signal. Good tier

sync on composite, uses composite video signal for sync. I'd rather use s-video tier

>>3682805

cool.. thanks for the info. i went for the csync cable -- it had a sync separator circuit inside to create csync from the ps2's sync over composite.
wasn't that much more expensive than the sync on luma so seemed like it was worthwhile.

>>3680619
it looks like a microwave

Please recommend me a good buyer's guide for projectors.

FIND A FLAW

>>3683069
I'm surprised the logo doesn't have shit geometry

>>3683131

Shit posting aside I have a relative untouched Funai 28" set with two SCART RGB ports on the attic. I might bring it just down see if Funai really is as shitty as they say.

I'm getting a 15khz noise from my PVM when switched on.

Sounds exactly like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBWw8PpZ720

Does anyone know what the cause could be & how to fix it?

>>3683327

>>3682745
Okay, thank you a ton! I have moved the minifridge, I think the CRT's image acted better once it was gone, but it isn't perfect still obviously. It had only been there a week or two, so the damage is very slight. Do you think it can correct itself much more over time?

>>3683140
Do it man, post results

>>3682428
>fudoh
>mr. crt
More like Mr. Upscaler. Dude mostly plays on LCDs now afaik.

>>3683443
I'l do it tomorrow I don't feel like pulling it down from the attic il bring some system with me and hook it up there to some outlet up there.

Would be pretty autistic as this is a apartment and some guy comes up and sees me sitting up there playing video games. Throughout the building gateway system outlet

>>3683327
>knows the frequency of the noise
>knows it's from his PVM
>wants to know the cause
>wants to "fix it"

Yo dawg, I don't wanna make light of your cognitive situation but I'm not sure you're putting two and two together and getting four. Sounds like you did the mental math and got a three somehow.

The whine is generated from your PVM's flyback transformer. It's at 15khz because you're displaying 15khz content. If your PVM can display 30khz content, you'll either stop hearing the whine or it will sound much less prevalent due to human hearing limitations. There is no "fix" other than turning the monitor off.

I put on headphones and those manage to effectively block out the offending frequency. Bonus feature: you hear the game audio much better with headphones.

>>3682770
Any reason why you wouldn't use YPbPr Component? Cheaper and produces identical results with less hassle.

Quick questions regarding SCART.

I have a NTSC KV-36FV310, and I currently use either S-video or Component because those are the higher fidelity inputs available.
Component definitely shows stronger color and very slight definition advantages. If I used a SCART to Component (YPrBr) converter, would the color actually be better or more accurate than just using the Component cable directly out of the console as I do now?

As an follow-up question, is YPrBr equivalent to RGsB? It seems so. And this is why I doubt that a SCART conversion to YPrBr would provide any advantage. Because the SCART's Composite Sync would be converted to Sync on Luma anyway, right?

To summarize, if Component is an option for a non-PVM set, would going the SCART route be falling for the SCART meme?

Am I just an autistic retard?

>>3683540
>would the color actually be better
No

Ignoring that component is the same quality as RGB:
Your signal quality will be equal the to weakest link in the chain. You're using component in both setups. You cannot get better quality than component.

>>3683590
Okay, thank you!

>>3683534
Actually the component output on PS2 isn't quite as good as its RGB.

That said, with anon's monitor they're unlikely to notice any difference whatsoever.

http://www.svideo.com/svc2ypbpr.html

"This converter allows for an interlaced video signal to be converted to Component Video. This Professional converter does such a good job that the resulting component video signal is usually better than the component video output of consumer products, such as DVD players."

>wat

Is this a scam? How would it be possible to derive a higher quality YPrPb image from a lower quality input source?

>>3683743
>the resulting component video signal is usually better than the component video output of consumer products
LOL, no. Would be handy for TVs with YPbPr but without S-Video if didn't cost $200.

>>3683743
Probably a bunch of lag-inducing processing that actually makes it look worse.

What kind of problems does degaussing fix?
Linearity? Bowing? Convergence? Focus? Buzzing sound?

What are the symptoms of a CRT that needs degaussing?

Do all CRTs come with degaussing built in that kicks in when you turn it on?
What about some CRT PC monitors that have a degaussing option in the menu?
Is it really true that you can use any old magnet in place of a degaussing wand?
How do you avoid fucking up the picture worse than it was before?

>>3683839
>What kind of problems does degaussing fix?
Purity.
>Linearity? Bowing? Convergence? Focus? Buzzing sound?
Dude, do you have any idea what degaussing actually is?
>What are the symptoms of a CRT that needs degaussing?
If you have purity problems.
>Do all CRTs come with degaussing built in that kicks in when you turn it on?
All color CRTs, monochrome CRTs don't have a shadow mask that needs degaussing.
Degaussing could possibly not work on battery operated color sets unless they are connected to mains.
>What about some CRT PC monitors that have a degaussing option in the menu?
Usually it's common on most monitors made after 1998 or so, don't expect a mid 90s or earlier monitor to have this feature.
>Is it really true that you can use any old magnet in place of a degaussing wand?
Apparently you could attach it to the end of the drill to spin it around to create an alternating magnetic field, how well this works I can't say for sure. Also be careful not to scratch your CRT.
>How do you avoid fucking up the picture worse than it was before?
If degaussing causes purity problems then the purity and convergence needs to be adjusted.

>>3683743
>>3683763
I got this thing for $20 off ebay. No lag, it does what it says since its just a simple convertor. I use it since my CRT has component but no s-video.

>>3683892
You got a link? I could use something like that but $200 is ridiculous.

>>3683901
The seller probably doesn't have anymore but I'll look.

>>3683907
http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=SVideo+S-Video%2FComposite+Video+to+Component+Video+P%2FN+CSV2YPBPR+Tested+Working&_id=391459910987&&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2658
Looks like there is two on ebay, except not for $20.

>>3683907
>>3683915
Not bad, much appreciated!

>>3683918
I'd go with the auction that includes the 9v DC power adapter since you'll need one of those to power it.

>>3683915
Can whoever buys one of these things compare original S-video to Component result and post if there is any difference in quality?

I would be grateful. I'm not spending money without knowing in advance because I'm trying to stop wasting money on these experiments.

My last mistake was spending about $40 on a HDMI to Component converter, only to find out that you cannot choose the output. It just converts it to whatever the input is, which means it's worthless for 480i CRTs.

Right now I'm using an HDMI to S-Video adapter. It's actually pretty fuggin' great, and I'm not unhappy with it. But if I could get a better picture, why the hell not?

>>3684035
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Svideo-CSV2YPBPR-Video-Converter-Sealed-No-Cables-/142186174724?hash=item211af4d904
This is the one I have, what do you want me to compare?

>>3684043
Well, I notice a distinct if slight difference in both clarity and color palette when using Component direct from source instead of S-video direct from source.

Since I cannot use HDMI to Component direct from source in this case, but can use HDMI to S-video, I was wondering if using the item would allow for those image quality improvements. Or is it simply a S-video throughput device for a set with a Component option but no S-video, which is kind of hard to figure because I've never seen a set with Component and no S-video.

>>3684050
If that's all you want it for I wouldn't buy it. Leave it to RCA to make a CRT with component and no s-video.

>>3684050
>I've never seen a set with Component and no S-video
Sony KV-13FS100, for one.

>>3684054
Alright, thank you.

>>3684056
Huh, weird.

>>3682070
playing on a crt in complete darkness causes insane eye strain

Is this shit ever coming back in stock? How do they even work?

>>3684194
RGB-to-YPbPr transcoder built into a cable. I'm waiting for another run myself.

>>3683868
Focus is the difference is sharpness between the center and side/corner of the CRT right?

Convergence is when the sides/corner of the CRT have misaligned colours, especially noticable as rainbow effect on a white part of the image.

I don't know what purity is.
Is it a deflection problem like focus and convergence?
Or a geometry problem like linearity and bowing?

Tell me all the problems CRTs can have, what category they are in, what causes them, and what fixes them.

I don't understand how having magnets next to your TV/monitor can fuk them up but using a hand magnet fixes it too.

How close do I hold the hand magnet and what motions should I move it in?

>>3684201
Hot damn, I didn't even think that was possible. Why aren't more people jumping on this bandwagon? Component is even still available on most TVs today.

>>3684213
because it's not simple wiring, there's an actual conversion process. Also not many modern TVs support sub 480i through component. Samsungs seem to work well, but otherwise it's a mixed bag.

>>3684209
Specifically, focus is beam width.

Convergence is how well the three guns are aligned with each other. On a dot or grid screen you can see bad focus by red/green/blue lines overlapping, instead of a white dot/line.

Purity is color uniformity, for lack of a better term. For example, if you have an all red screen, and there's a green splotch, that's bad purity. Most people seem to be uninformed on how to fix this on this board, since it seems like the common issue is 'degauss it'. Unless there are severe issues, the monitor's built-in degaussing coil should do everything you need it to. Purity is a physical adjustment that needs tuned as well, just like convergence, geometry, etc.

Also, if you just use a fridge magnet or whatever, you're probably just going to mess the TV up further. You need an electromagnetic degaussing coil to properly degauss a TV. A hand magnet has a non-alternating magnetic field, an electromagnetic tool has rapidly alternating fields that will actually degauss the set.

>>3684194
Just buy a converter, and now you can use component with every console. Those cables are worthless.

The largest PC CRT monitors are 21" (viewable), although 20" is more common and might be a better target to shoot for.
But these big ones are all flat from what I have seen.

What is the largest size of curved screen CRT PC monitor?
I know they go up to at least 16".

I have a samsung crt with pincushion distortion and what looks to be horizontal line nonlinearity. Can this be fixed? I've played with the service menu for about a week and so far nothing works. Im close to just opening it and messing with the magnets next to the yolk.

>>3684486
If it's only noticeable along an outer edge, just apply a judicious use of overscan until you don't notice it.

I did this recently to 'fix' a tapered top-right corner that lead into a bowed right side. It only cost me a few pixels from each edge total when I was done.

>>3684441
>What is the largest size of curved screen CRT PC monitor?
If you count presentation monitors with HD15 or BNCHV inputs, about 40 inches or thereabouts.

For pure high res computer monitors probably that widescreen Carmack used to develop Quake on. Think it was around 28-30 inches. I'm sure anon will post the picture in a minute.

>>3684783
>BNCHV
Meant RGBHV over BNC of course

>>3684785
Blurple Neutral Coriander, finally a better format than outdated ass rgb

Make cab reincofrced shelf. Sony trinitron 95 lbs

>>3684962
Nice shelf but can it support an Apple TV?

Actual photo from my station.

Question about monitor refresh rates:

I want the purest, brightest, scanliney-est 240p picture possible on my FW900 emulating NES and MAME games. What's the best refresh rate to use for it? I assume it can't do 15 kHz like a PVM can, right?

>>3685431
No you need around 31kHz for that monitor.

Set up custom resolutions of 240x3840@120Hz for NES and 224x3840@120Hz for MAME (this covers most games but check individual ROM properties, so-called "medium res" or 24kHz titles most often run 384 lines.

Make sure your emulators lock to the correct aspect ratio.

>>3685460
mind explaining how those giant resolutions equate to 240 lines of progressive scan? I'm just curious how it works from a technical perspective.

In anticipation of my modded SNES, I took a second look at my PS1 collection to see if I had anything on hand for checking 2d performance.

Closest was Digimon World 3, so I popped it in and started playing. I started to notice a little bit of a... Bend, I guess? Not sure if it's barreling/pincushion/whatever, but it makes the screen look like it's on a bit of a cylinder.

I'm using a PVM-14M4U. My shitty old Emerson did this, too, though to a much worse degree.

Is this just something I'll have to deal with, if not, which settings would be best to fuck with? Keep in mind I don't have access to any tools like the 240p test suite. Don't know why a PS1 version hasn't been made. Don't wanna spend eighty fucking dollars on a shitty everdrive just to use it on my SNES.

>>3678336
After 2 sets of broken PS1/2/3 component cables, I said fuck it and went to track down the 1st party cables that came out for the PS3. Couldn't find them cheap online so I called all the game stores in my city. Finally found a store that had 1st party components, but the store was 2 hours away. Travel there anyway, get to the store right before it closes. Ask for the cables, buddy holds up Retrobit composite cables.

>>3682070
I try to avoid pitch black because I know it's bad for your eyes. If I don't want to turn on my lamp then I'll just turn on multiple screens. I've got 4 in my room, 3 of which serve a different function. The two CRT's basically have the same function.

It's pretty nice when the room is like by screens

So are scanlines like a stim for you spergs?

>>3685480
he got the numbers backwards

>>3685678

>>3685526
Ask for pics next time I guess. Primal Rage is bretty gud.

>>3685668
Some people really love it and need to have it simply to complete the look of older displays, others could care less. Personally I prefer scanlines because they soften the pixelated images on the screen without sacrificing quality. I feel like it is very helpful for making 240p signals look better, but I was just fine with my shitty Memorex with no scanlines. If you like scanlines on anything past 240p, you're just into the scanline look then, as you're literally losing half the resolution.

>>3684305
This is true, but they're far from worthless. We just simply aren't their main demographic. This is aimed at people who enjoy whipping out the Super Nintendo every so often on their LCD. Most people don't have as many old video game consoles as us, so if you just wanna use them for SNES and Genesis, they're definitely worth your while.

When I turn the brightness on my pvm up past 0 it gets this uneven glow on black screens. Anybody know what I'm talking about? Is this normal or is there a way to fix it?

Just bought 2 bnib fw900s who wants pics

For anybody else using gameboy interface, do you sometimes get a few lines in the middle of the screen that lag behind?

>>3685964
I haven't ever noticed that using the LL.dol, but I did notice some quirks with the ULL.dol.

>>3685946
Post porn.

>>3685873
Whats your contrast set at? Might be too damn high especially if youre compensating with brightness at 0

>>3686027

My contrast is at 20. I set my contrast as low as I could where the whites would still be white but without bloom.

>>3686049

Also, I've had my brightness set to -5, but it has these strange glow spots on black/dark screens. I know it didn't used to have these, so I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of them.

>>3685668
>Aw yeah.
>Ahh, that's the stuff.

I want to contribute pics of my gear.

What is the best f-stop, shutter speed, and ISO for taking photos of CRTs?

kitty guardian of crt. It's a nice monitor for retro pc games and emulating

I'm looking to get a CRT monitor to hook up to my laserdisc player, PCjr and my laptop for emulation.

Currently I'm looking at 14" Sony SSM because it kinda looks like a PCjr monitor and it seems to go for a bit cheaper than the PVMs.

So my question is: What is the difference between an SSM and a PVM monitor and is it a good choice for my purposes?

>>3686147
f-stop shouldn't matter cause you're focusing on a flat surface, generally whatever works as long as it's sharp. If you match the shutter speed to the refresh rate of your monitor you'll avoid flicker or seeing weird lines, but those often don't appear at higher shutter speeds either, ISO shouldn't matter.

>tldr there aren't really "best settings" for taking crt pics, just trial and error till you get a good result.

>>3685974
>Post porn.

Waiting for the first to warm up

Did I do good /crt/?

>>3686260
cute set, what size?

>>3686270
14"

0 or 7.5? I don't know what this means, so which one should it be set to?

>>3686296
7.5 since its a bigger number

>>3686296
>>3686312

To clarify, this is for "comp level" and "ntsc setup." The blacks look more gray when set to 0.

I know this sounds too hopeful, but is there any way to 'upfit' a 14G5U to multiformat? I assume the baseboards are different entirely. Just figured I'd ask.

>>3685964
If you mean the Ultra Low Latency version, then yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGh14NLU_ho

Low Latency doesn't have any of the issues as far as I've experienced.

>>3686167
If you mean the SSM-20N5 or 14N5, those are just a differently packaged version of the PVM N5. They're lower end models, and don't have RGB(without modding), but if all you want/need are composite(laserdisc) and S-Video, they'd be pretty good.

>>3686296
Depends on the source and how your display is calibrated. The number is essentially your black level; NTSC-U specifics black at 7.5, where NTSC-J specifies it as 0.

>>3685684
>>3685678

ok, but still, why does that work? and what would the numbers be for SNES games?

Ellooo, anyone know what the Best antenna/digital converter box or whatever is so I can catch some free tv on my crt.

Picture quality is always great from the antennas and my crt would do really well with it.

>>3686431
>Depends on the source and how your display is calibrated. The number is essentially your black level; NTSC-U specifics black at 7.5, where NTSC-J specifies it as 0.

When I set it to 0 everything looks better (before the picture was too dark, resulting in loss of detail, particularly in dark scenes, and turning the brightness up caused other issues), but black screens aren't as black. Like, when I don't have a signal the screen seems brighter than when it's off. Is this normal? I remember messing with those settings when I first got the monitor, but I don't remember what it was originally set to. This was before I realized that writing down the defaults was a good idea.

>>3686443
The ultra wide resolution is used to deal with games/systems that use multiple resolutions; That number just so happens to be a clean multiple of just about all the different horizontal resolutions older consoles use, and CRTs handle horizontal scaling really well, so "it just werks".

240p@120hz is used so that you can use the proper resolution but also have the sync frequency high enough for the monitor to sync to. 240p is normally 15khz sync, and PC monitors will only go down to 31khz; Doubling the refresh rate doubles the sync frequency, and as such makes it 31khz, which the monitor will in turn accept.

Ghosting can be an issue with this, and you may want to look into black frame insertion to bring things back down to just 60 unique frames being displayed per second.

Be warned though, 240p like this on the FW900 is some harsh stuff. As in, stupid sharp.

>>3686480
I don't know about best, but I've been meaning to grab one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GOILYB6
Mainly for the fact that it has Component output.

>>3686484
It's possible that the PVM's default "no signal" signal is just spec'ed for 7.5, and as such looks "less dark" since it's no long AT black level, rather slightly above.

To be completely honest, I still don't entirely get all the interactions between black level and how it can interact with different things myself.

Kinda new to this, thoughts on magnavox tvs?

>>3686503
shit

>>3686480
Channel Master CM-7003 is nice.

I know this has been posted a million times but can someone tell me exactly how to access the service menu on my KV-36FV310.

My googling tonight is not so on point.
Also what do you think I should tinker with? Obviously tilt, I need to bring the picture in smaller because theres way too much off screen, and there is some bubbling i noticed when scrolling. Any suggestions?

>>3686598
So I got it, Press Display -> 5 -> Volume -> Power

Once it powers on I see that I've accessed it but I'm not sure how to access any of the settings and pressing arrow buttons doesn't really do anything.

Help guis?

Is there an option to turn the green power LED off on a 20L5? I put a piece of electrical tape over it for the time being, but it'd be nice if there was another way without opening it up and disconnecting the LED.

>>3686615
Ok I did everything. Now I feel like scum for posting so much. I encountered something strange though. Everything I read said that any changed settings would be reset once I powered off the TV but this was not the case. I fiddled around with some settings then powered off then took note of every setting in a spreadsheet and worked from there. The values hardly changed because when I first fiddled I just got it to what my eyeball thought was good.

Anyway here are some pics. I think it looks decent but I would still like it to be better.

>>3686691
2

>>3686692
Here is a shitty screen shot of a video that I took before I adjusted anything. Notice how the character cards are nearly cut off at the bottom

>>3686691
>I would still like it to be better

That's the curse of a CRT. You'll always feel that way. It'll never be perfect. It looks pretty good right now, so I'd just leave it alone. You might want to apply some overscan to get the bend on the top right corner out of sight, though.

>>3686695
and here is after I changed some settings

>>3686696
True that is the curse, But I'm totally content with my BVM's geometry as it is soooooo good.

I see the bend but I'm not sure what to adjust to get it out of the picture, plus I feel like everything fits on screen perfectly now so I dont want to go losing stuff.

Now the question is do I leave the wii connected to this? Gamecube composite looks so smeared, I was blown away by component. Waiting on GCvideo to start taking orders so I can get component for my GCN.

>>3686697
If you ain't with Kirby you ain't my nigga

>>3686697
Bottom geometry looks off

>>3686697
Great. Now you can go back to practicing tech on a TV with good geometry, only to flub it on a tournament TV that's all fucked up.

>>3687225
What about it looks off? I think the bottom squares in >>3686691 are smaller than the upper half.

>>3687246
Eh that's fine I just play with some buddies of mine here.

>>3677425
someone please recommend a nice 20+ inch CRT for PS2 games and prior

budget = $250

Was I a dumb fuck to assume using one of these hdmi to av cables would allow me to use my raspberry pie on a CRT tv?

What's the best way to use raspberry pie on a crt? Because this shit doesn't work.

>>3687375
And a PC CRT

>>3687375
I bought a 4 pole RCA adapter off Amazon. The video comes out of the red jack instead of yellow, but it works.

>>3687412
gotta love the chinese.

>>3687423
I don't think it was a Chinese issue. There's no set standard for the contact sequence. I'm sure the one I bought worked fine for the camcorder or whatever it was originally designed for.

>>3687423

>>3687383
I'm curious. On these Raspberry Pis, when you use the pins for boards like this, are the more pins on the other side of the board for passthrough? Or are you limited to one daughterboard?

>>3687412
Buying this now. Thank you.

>>3687451
You're not limited to one daughterboard, but I don't think you can use the pins which are being used for that daughterboard.

>>3687412
>>3687470
It's forced to 480i through that port. Total garbage.

>>3687484
How the fuck else am I supposed to use my rasperry pie on a crt?

>>3687540
You're using emulators. You don't even need a CRT.

>>3687540
Downscalers I guess.

>>3687540
You don't. Not without spending more than you did for the damn Pi in the first place.

>>3687225
>Bottom geometry looks off
>>3687301
>What about it looks off?

It looks like your KV-36FV310 has the same issue that mine has. Which is that horizontal lines have a bit of upwards bow away from the bottom center of the screen.

It isn't noticeable most of the time, but it kind of drives me nuts when watching 16:9 content.

Other than that, yours looks better than mine overall, based on the grid alone. I had to use a bit of overscan to eradicate some obnoxious flaws in geometry.

>>3687545
>>3687546
>>3687563
I have a raspberry pie loaded with retropie and emulators with no pc. I need needed a way to play it on a crt.

>>3687545
I hope you die in a fire.

Why do CRTs have to be so fucking complicated? Geometry, purity, focus, convergence, degaussing, calibration, etc.

>>3687540
You buy a Wii at the Goodwill for $10.

>>3687690
the whole crt concept is quite a marvel on how it works reliably, while handling stuff that is still problematic to modern flat panels.

in contrast, flat panels are really simple and were just limited by tech advances.

>>3687690
Why do humans have to be so fucking complicated? Hearts, brains, stomachs, livers, kidneys, reproductive systems, etc.

Rate my crt

>>3687804
CRT/10

>>3687713
Yeah, I guess it's a trade-off.

>>3687729
What does that have to do with anything?

>>3686498
People keep warning me it's "sharp". Isn't more sharpness better (if you aren't looking for the bleeding color effects devs used on the Genesis)? And if I really felt like playing a game "how the developers intended", couldn't I convert the VGA signal down to composite, and back up to VGA to blur everything and make it feel more like a consumer CRT?

>>3687690
because electron beams are fiddly and need adjusting over time. And digital auto-calibration wasn't economical in the days of CRTs. If someone felt like it, they could probably strap a camera and an IR emitter to a raspberry pi programmed specifically to calibrate TVs. But who would spend their time making such a thing?

>>3687829
>What does that have to do with anything?
I actually wrote a much longer rhetorical statement earlier but decided against it, hoping you would innately understand the concept I was trying to convey. Basically your query was so general, it could be applied to almost any modern marvel.

>Why does $x have to be so fucking complicated? $one, $two, $three, $four, $five, $six, $seven, etc.

Substitute "combustion engine" or "aerospace engineering" or "the internet" for $x and you'll see where I'm coming from. Asking bad questions gets you bad answers.

>>3687872
As a note of interest, some CRT Projectors actually did this. You could get a camera attachment, then the set would automatically adjust convergence, geometry, focus, etc.

>>3687593
There's definitley an upwards bow. You can even see it at the top of the grid.

I don't want to throw any of my picture off screen because I start to obsess over it. I'd rather everything be on screen even if it looks a little funny.

Should I set 358 trap filter on or off? I know what it does based on what the manual says, but I don't know if it's better to have it on or off.

What are some games that are a good crt geometry test?

>>3687920
You luckily don't need to use any overscan, but I only lost a couple of pixels total on each side in the process of fixing my geometry issues.

I really wish that there was a VCENT option in the service menu like on the xbr960. It allows a person to fix the exact slight bow problem that both of our sets have.

I don't even notice it while gaming for the most part, but it is stupidly obvious when watching letterboxed content.

I'm in the process of getting another 36FV310, and I wonder if it too will have the same problem.

>>3687968

Nevermind. The pictures gets noticeably noisier when I turn it off, so on it is.

>>3687975

Since I don't have a way to display a test pattern at the moment, I use the KoF XI menu screen, Disgaea 2's menu and dialogue boxes, and the Metal Gear Solid codec call character portraits.

I guess just find something with a lot of menus and other boxes.

>>3686697
I see you also upgraded to 20XX. The Ai is Crazy AF.

>>3688000
Interesting to know. I imagine the bow is the reason why when I perform a scroll test I get bubbly results.

>>3688045
Yea the old picture is running off my GCN and the latter is 20xx on my Wii. I hooked up the Wii for the 240p test suite but I might keep it in because it looks so damn good on component.

Also yea the AI is redick. I mostly go into training but when I'm up for it I'll play against falco

>>3687540
https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/49wkr9/240p_rgbs_guide_rgb_composite_sync/

>>3687867
It's not so much a matter of "how the developers intended", rather it's such a high end monitor that you're going be getting scanlines as large as the ones with actual video. It's just intended for such higher resolutions that to a lot of people it just doesn't look good. If you end up in that category, using a higher resolution with inserted scanlines and some light filtering might be something you'd want to look into. Even if it's just 480p.

You have to remember, even middle of the road 17'' models can give a picture similar to a BVM. So going with a PC monitor that has that same effect on said PC monitors, it gets a bit ridiculous.

Anybody know how to enter the service menu on older trinitrons? I have a KV1380R and I believe it has a P3 chassis. Display 5 volume + power and does not work.

>>3688509
There are 4 different methods listed here:

http://factory-reset.com/wiki/Sony_Service_Menu

Try all of those I guess. A specific service manual seems to be elusive for that model.

>>3688587
Didn't work out but thanks for the help

>>3688509
original remote ?

>>3688608
I got it off of ebay. Seller said it came packaged with my tv model. Also tried an IR remote on my phone with no luck.

>>3688089
what's the difference between 240p @ 120 hZ, and 720p @ 60 (or 30) Hz with a fake scanline filter over it (on a real CRT)? Is there any difference in brightness? I'm wondering if it would be dumb to use a filter that fakes bloom in the picture-less lines, like how the scanlines on consumer sets aren't actually jet black, they're the color of the pixels above and below them.

>>3688614
brightness mainly.With tacked-on black lines you effectively lose 50% brightness. Some pc crts have a "superbright" setting that can counter that.

>>3688604
It probably doesn't even have an on-screen service mode.

Sonys of that era restricted that function to the largest tube sizes only. For example the PVM-2130 and 2530 don't have it but the 2950 does.

I'm confused about something. I thought that "true black" meant that the blacks are as black as when the set is off, but when my set is on in a dark room, blacks appear dark gray. If I turn the brightness down so that they're black, it's too dark and washes out detail. Is my set calibrated wrong or something?

Is it wrong wanting to play retro games at 240p on computer CRTs rather than CRT TVs ? i heard computer CRTs have overly THICC scanlines. with mine you can decently notice the scanlines even at 480p

>>3689401
No. This shit is all personal preference anyway.

>>3677425
Is it true that VR likes them small

>>3689401
wrong? nah, do what you want, but try all your options too.

>>3689298
no, "true black" is a meme. Unless your blacks are as bright as the blacks on an LCD screen. Then something's genuinely wrong.

>>3689439

Definitely not as bright as and still better than an LCD. I just thought that they were supposed to be black as black.

>>3689401
Not at all, I own an Amiga 1080 and play games at my desk and it's maximum comfy. The scanlines are a perfect balance between too dark and too light. These monitors were made for similar 240p content, so there's no reason not to take advantage. My Amiga is lucky enough to have RGB via a DB9 port so don't think you'll have to sacrifice quality with those common Commodore TVs that only go up to S-Video.

>>3689427

>>3689464
>I just thought that they were supposed to be black as black.
Even when displaying black, the guns aren't completely shut down so you can still see a faint glow in a very dark room. If this bothers you, try adding some bias lighting.

Does anyone know which model of WEGA this is? Found it on craigslist

I just want a TV with anything better than composite connections. Does this have s-vid or component?

It's 24 inches, and it's 15$. From the lurking I've done, I've found out that wega is supposed to be pretty gud. That true?

>>3689867
Most WEGA sets like that that I've ever run into have component and are pretty rad consumer sets. I think I had that exact same one in college. I played 360 on it via component which was awesome, and it was great for my Famicom. I would snag it for $15 if you don't have a CRT, you won't be disappointed, and you're not out a lot of money if you decide to upgrade.

>>3689867
Looks like a KV-xxFS210 but I don't think they came with 24 inch screens.

>>3688509
>KV1380
No service menu for that one, adjustments may be made via pots on the chassis. Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoBqm4ThJxw

>>3689473
>My Amiga is lucky enough to have RGB via a DB9 port so don't think you'll have to sacrifice quality with those common Commodore TVs that only go up to S-Video.
All amigas output RGB, it's only the earlier Commodore computers that are Composite or Y/C only (with the exception of the PETs and CBM-II).

>>3690151
Amiga as in the monitor, rather than the computer itself.

>>3688806
>>3689985
Cool thanks for the info. Not going to risk frying myself. Just wanted to see if the intl option would give some kind of scanline on my 480i image since 240p is not an option for me.

>>3690163
Well still kinda apply -- all amiga monitors have RGB.

My CRT freaks the fuck out in 60hz and consistently "wiggles".
Runs fine in 50hz.
Any ideas?
I might try plugging it into a seperate wall socket from the consoles to see if isolating works.

>>3690178
You already have scanlines at 480i, it's just that they jump up and down 30 times a second. Blink rapidly and you'll see them.

You have a Wii hooked up by the looks of it. Why is 240p not an option?

>>3690385
Yeah i've noticed that. Worst thing about 480i is the flickering.

That was the sellers pic from craigslist. I have a raspberry pi connected through composite and can only output 480i. 240p is possible through a vga daughter board and vga to bnc into an rgb monitor.

Anyways I can live with it until I find a pvm.

>>3690471
Wait, raspberry pi only outputs 480i? That's awful. Now I know what to tell people who think it's a good solution for retro emulation.

>>3690579
Yeah, it's basically the worst thing for emulation on a CRT and costs more than a Wii which actually supports 240p.

>>3690471
that looks like a decent TV man
honestly you don't need a pvm

>>3690594
>Settling

>>3690586
>basically the worst thing for emulation on a CRT
Sometimes I forget not everyone plays on a CRT. Have you used it on a LCD? Does it look decent?

I've had a CRT in service pretty much my whole life. I think the only time I didn't have one at hand was 2013-2014.

>>3690594
>honestly you don't need a pvm
Nobody NEEDS one, but once you have one, RGB is a hell of a drug. That said, I got a PVM for free a while ago, but given how the demand has shot up even in the last year or two, I would probably be looking for alternatives, like computer monitors (which are also starting to get pricey) or RGB to YbPbr transcoding.

>>3690636
I've seen YouTube videos of RetroPi rigs on HDTVs via HDMI, looks as decent as the NES Classic Edition or just plugging your PC into a TV if you're into that kind of thing.

What's in the red box?

>>3690673
air

>>3690586
I believe crt only supports 240p over component and 480i composite. I'm stuck either way unless I go the flashcart route.
>>3690594
Yeah I had a chance to get a faded pvm for 30 but chose that one over looks
>>3690636
>Have you used it on a LCD
It looks great on an LCD pic related with shaders.

>>3690673
>stickers
>on a pvm

>>3690731
Whoops I meant wii not crt

>>3690731
I believe you can softmod the wii to output RGBS, as euro wiis can do it, and unlike GC it's softlocked..

>>3690731
Wii can do 240p over composite, I've done it.

>>3690732
It was my first 20L5 and it was all scratched up. The stickers hide the ugly.

>>3690738
>>3690737
Guess the info I read was wrong then. It said even if you force 240p the wii will output at 480i unless over component. I'm going to go set up my wii and try it out later.

>>3690673
>>3690730
It's a BVM-D24E1 from California with love, for $500. There's a few caveats though. There's no handles. There's also no power supply. The handles I can live without, the power supply I can't. Had to drop another $50 on a replacement.

>>3690745
I could be wrong, but I had my hacked Wii set-up with my PVM and the HBC emulators could be forced to 240p, unless I was just fooled into thinking the 480i was 240p... worth a shot at any rate. And official VC games have to be forced into 240p with a button combination at launch , iirc.

>>3690757
Where in California did you find one for $500?

>>3690783
To follow up, the 240p test suite says it's compatible with the composite cables, so it seems like it should do it. http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/240p_test_suite#Nintendo_Wii

>>3690742
Why not just take the casing off and give it the Krylon touch?

I often ponder doing this to my PVM, since that shade of control room gray-beige isn't really very stylish. I wonder how it would look if I just gave it a nice coat of matte black or something.

>>3690757
hell of a find!

>>3690757
Why's it upside down?

Does it take the same PSU as the 20" BVMs?

Do the handle recesses function adequately in place of the handles proper? I imagine it's a bitch to move single-handedly with the extra weight and width compared to a 4:3 set.

>>3677425
>>3677425

>>3690802
That's a pretty good idea desu. You should try it.

>>3690792
Private auction. There's a label on the back that says "Property of Sony" so my guess is that the unit was a rental that was never returned, or maybe it was stolen. Who knows.

>>3690814
It was shipped that way. Also it's impossible to lift the monitor out if it's the other way around (lid/wheels up, large section down). The unit is 113 pounds.

I think the power supplies between the D series BVMs are the same, but according to the spec sheet there are minor variations in the amps each tube needs. Like a tenth of an amp difference.

The recesses just aren't deep enough to be useful, kinda like the grips on a PVM-20L5. If I have to lift the sucker out, I'll borrow the handles from my.other BVM. It doesn't need it since it's pretty much permanently queen of the 12U roller rack.

One more picture. Just got back from Daytona and picked up a Profeel KX-2501a from some stoners for $75. To get it up on top of the green rack I had to progressively move it from the floor to top of the black flight case, then to the top of the red case. I'm not as strong as I thought I was.

>>3690982
This niggardly keeping all the pvm to himself

>>3691004
I'm selling some of the 8/9 inchers. Interested?

Btw, this Profeel manual has a whole fucking pinout diagram of the RGB input. I think I'll be able to make a decent looking cable with this info.

The manual is so 80s it hurts so good holy shit.

>>3691004
To be fair I seem to recall talk of him setting up some kind of store. He also sold, or at least offered to sell, some of his excess inventory in this very thread.

Still, dem broadcast industry contacts. Oh and stoners (<3 that sexy Profeel)

>>3691008
That the 34 pin one? Looks like an IDE connector?

>>3691019
Yes. The parallel cable looking port. Kind like a floppy or IDE hard drive ribbon cable port. The manual has a diagram and pinout and instructions on crimping connectors. It even lists some part numbers I think. Really thorough in my opinion.

>>3691031
Yeah I came across the same thing in a mid-80s XBR manual.

Oh the days when "It's a Sony" actually stood for something.

>>3691041
dat classic logo

>>3691004
i kind of feel him tho

>>3689473
Nice Lodgenet N64 controller.

I've searched but emulatorfags poisoned the search results. This is probably the best place to ask this.

Is there such a thing as a post-processing filter for windows that emulates a TV with scanlines? Or post-processing filters for the display in general?

>>3689867
it will at least have s-video likely component.

>>3691208
You can get a SLG3000.

http://arcadeforge.net/SLG3000/Scanline-Generator-SLG3000::12.html

A little pricy but versatile.

>>3691208
some time ago you could load pixelshaders in ATI cards.

There's also sweetfx / reshade that has some crt options

>>3691208
you can set an interlaced resolution on most LCDs
I have the option for 1080i. But for whatever reason if you want 240p-esqe scanlines then >>3691293 this is pretty much it

I may soon be buying a Compaq Trinitron computer monitor and it has BNC ports somehow. Would this accept 240p natively? (Probably not) Is there some thing I could buy to output it linedoubled like how DOS games do it?

>>3691353
Dumbass me forgot picture. It's a Compaq P70.

>>3691357
Neat monitor.

>Automatically scans all horizontal frequencies between 30 and 92 kHz, and vertical frequencies between 50 and 150 Hz

I don't think it'll do 240p bro.

>>3691357
wont accept 240p

those inputs are RGBHV, just like VGA

>>3691387
The input for H is marked "H/C" so it probably accepts composite sync there.
However, see >>3691378

>>3689867
>>3689978
KV-24FS120 owner here, can confirm they exist. Amazing consumer set, perfect size for my setup.

Pic Related, PS2 via YPbPr.

>>3690757

these have the same tube as the fw900 right ??

can they compare to the fw900 ?,
I know resolution wise its much lower