/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3678948
What m8?

>>3678961
Old box

>>3678964
It's not censorship. The red cross and the red crescent symbols enjoy a special protected status and should not be used for things not directly related to the red cross.
https://www.icrc.org/en/copyright-and-terms-use

>>3678967
doom was invented before the red cross
you cant change history

>>3678967
They also replaced the nazi troopers from DOOM 2 with standard zombiemen

>>3678969
wew big cuckin'

>>3678967
>should not be used for things not directly related to the red cross

So is Switzerland going to be sued for their flag?

>>3678990
no because the glorious swiss use a white cross

>>3679001
Oh duh, I had it backwards. My bad, still half asleep.

>>3678967
>should not be used for things not directly related to the red cross.

Yes it should.

>>3678948
Not every change is censorship you mongoloid. SEGA removing Daytona references from several Daytona ports in not a censorship, it is a copyright issue. Why don't you go back to /v to bitch about how they "censored" 2746th loli in western release of your favorite jav fapfest "game"?

>>3679030
>>3678990
The red cross flag is an inversion of the Swiss flag.
The red crescent is supposedly an inversion of the Ottoman flag but it doesn't feature a star.

>>3678967
It's a universal symbol for first aid. Frankly they have some fucking nerve claiming that only they get to use it.

>>3678948
I thought it was only BFG edition that did this.

>>3678948
They should've just recolored the cross to black or blue.

>>3678967
see >>3680792

>>3680792
>>3680857
The universal symbol for first aid (ISO 7010) is a white cross on green ground.
Stop trying to act smart if you know nothing about real life.

>>3680859
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emblems_of_the_International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement

>The Red Cross on white background was the original protection symbol declared at the 1864 Geneva Convention. The ideas to introduce a uniform and neutral protection symbol as well as its specific design originally came from Dr. Louis Appia, a Swiss surgeon, and Swiss General Henri Dufour, founding members of the International Committee.

>The red cross symbolizes as an identifier for medical personnel during wartime. The Red Cross is defined as a protection symbol in Article 7 of the 1864 Geneva Convention, Chapter VII ("The distinctive emblem") and Article 38 of the 1949 Geneva Convention ("For the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field").

Yeah nah buddy

>b-but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_aid says "Although commonly associated with first aid, the symbol of a red cross is an official protective symbol of the Red Cross."

Doesn't invalidate the historical significance of the Red Cross as a medical symbol, which is what the medkit portrayed.

Stop getting your panties in a not in being PC, it's a game. A 20-year old one at that too. Nobody's life is jeopardized because omg they saw an illegal use of the red cross in a sci-fi shooter of a marine going to hell to kill demons

You won't admit this to save face and that's fine, but this IS the sentiment against unnecessary censorship conducted by copyright vultures

>>3680851
It is. I think OP is claiming that NERVE.WAD was an update.

It isn't.

>>3678967
Shut up, faggot.

>>3678967
>you can copyright a red plus symbol

So can I be sued if I do my math homework with a red pen?

>>3678948
SO MANY FUCKING GAMES USE THE RED CROSS SYMBOL FOR FIRST AID

ARE THEY GONNA FUCK EM ALL NOW

WE'LL SEE

>>3681084
A couple of AAA studios who don't give any fucks about integrity caved and gave in to the Red Cross instead of spending money to shut down the retarded copyright trolling in court. Because of that, Red Cross now has high profile precedents in place that make it virtually impossible for small studios or individuals to defend themselves so everyone is forced to comply.

>>3678967
I am going to think of an excuse for the sole purpose of infringing this copyright. Copyright is a product of Intellectual Monopoly, the greatest jew ruse to ever bait mankind.

>>3681350
More like a good system that was promptly abused by rich people spraying tears and snorters all over the place.

One day, someone is going to say "Copyright expires after 15 years. Fuck you."

>>3680903
It's a slippery slope. First a fifty year old fantasy game gets away with it, the next day the Geneva convention becomes void.
It might be different were it was older than the Geneva Convention.

>>3681668

>A 50 year old fantasy game will indirectly cause the Geneva Convention to become void

Going full retard, you're doing it right

>>3681668
wew lad

>>3678967
They can go fuck themselves, it's an international symbol, it's part of world culture already.

What's next, is McDonald's going to claim to explicitly own the smiley face?

>>3678964
>>3678967
That's idiotic. It's a fictional depiction of equipment associated with medical personnel - which, IRL, CAN use red cross symbol.

It's one thing to use it as generic symbol for health - but Doom DOES NOT, it's clearly here used in context of medical military personnel (used to indicate that these medics are fucking dead because demons don't respect Geneva convention, apparently). I mean, the fact that throughout Doom you're scavenging equipment of dead Marines is pretty explicit.

And honestly, this design sucks fucking balls - white side of the pill doesn't stick out from the grey of the pack enough, making it appear from a distance as a grey box witu an off-center red dot. They should've made other side of the pill yellow if so inclined, or just go full "arcade shooter" and make it a red heart (which would also work for the black humor angle).

Or just do what MOST people around the world did and make the cross green/blue. Which would also have taken much less effort, ironically.

>>3678990
>So is Switzerland going to be sued for their flag?

No because they have more money than the Red Cross. It would end badly for them.

>>3678967
They also changed the cross on the back of Rebecca Chambers' outfit in REmake for the same reason.

>>3681890
>What's next, is McDonald's going to claim to explicitly own the smiley face?

Believe me, if they could get away with it, they would claim that.

>>3681983
Valentine in Skullgirls had her palette changed too, all the red was changed to purple as to not upset the red cross copyright.

>>3678967
This is gonna go about as well as wwf did for the world wildlife faggots.

>>3680903
Careful posting that, you might get sued.

>>3681750
>>3681813
Is even the simplest hyperbole too much for this board?

>>3678968
/thread

tl;dr Red Cross is literally a patent troll company the copyrighted an often used symbol so they can rake in the cash from frivolous lawsuits. It would be like making a company with the sole purpose being to copyright the commercial at or the ampersand.

>>3681890
There's actually been a court case about the use of smileys and if it could be protected by copyright. Google could tell you more about it, I don't remember much.

>Intellectual
>Property

Well I'm slightly lost. Am I right that the Red Cross is going around and suing everyone who has used a red Cross symbol in their creative works? Is this Doom update thing an actual, official thing that's going to be in future re-releases of Doom?

>>3683442
Yeah, but that's for specific designs.

If I draw my own smiley face, they can't do shit against me, but if I use their clipart smiley, then I've infringed upon their copyright.

>>3678969
do you live in germany or something? even the XBLA port has nazis in the wolf3d levels, and it has the updated health-packs.

>>3681350
back to /pol/, faggot

>>3683806
Only BFG Edition changed them, I believe.

>>3681081
If you just do homework in private, no. If you subsequently try to sell a product with photoreproductions of the finished homework in question plastered all over it, maybe, although the utterly dissimilar context helps. It's the reason that people can get away with selling "Linux" and "Microsoft" detergent; software and detergent are sufficiently dissimilar domains that there's judged to be no risk of misleading people. I don't really know exactly how broadly their protections apply, though.

>mfw Reelism bleeps out the sound effects from the censored health packs

>>3682000
Don't insult the WWF please.

>>3685281
Wwf sux

>>3678969
censoring nazsi from the wolf 3d levels in the BFG edition is more of an offense than the medkits

The Red Cross really tends to not care unless it's used in major branding or advertising.
If you made a game about a giant red cross throwing red crosses at people with a big red cross on the cover and called it "red cross simulator 2017" then yeah you're going to get sued, but if you have a medic character or something with a red cross on their uniform or a medkit with a red cross on it, they don't care unless they have a bone to pick.
Devs censoring red crosses out of their games are really only doing it as a borderline paranoid precautionary measure.

>>3681890
I'm actually fairly certain that Walmart tried that.

>>3678969
Everyone knows Wolfenstein 3D was banned in Germany because of the nazis. Id probably wanted to avoid Doom 2 being banned in Germany too.

>>3685961
They're practically nazis about the whole no-nazis thing.

>>3685983
it's like banning things doesn't really work or something

>Dev releases update for old game
>All it does is censor content
>Modders get pissed and fix it

WHOA WHO GIVES A SHIT