/vr/ - Retro Games

I remember not liking both Double Dragon 3 and Gauntlet back in the day because they felt like "microtransactions the game" more obviously than any other.

I have a personal hateboner for the Mortal Kombat line of games because it took away my SSF2(T) competition for what I saw was pure flash and no technical substance (even back then).

>>3669721
post-3 Metal Slug games
Almost every modern Stern machine
Magician Lord
Turbo Outrun

>>3669721
half of the generic copypaste space shooters in the early arcade days.

thankfully they eventually either branched out into something interesting or died out

>>3669761
It could also be that I really loved the first two Double Dragon games in the arcade and the 3rd could not live up to that.

Also these were at all sorts of food places and I have never seen anyone ever put money into the Golden Tee machine, and while taking my own personal snaps for MAME, there were too many of these to go through. I have not played one at an actual arcade, just saying it may be a good potential for a "bad arcade game" ...

Maybe Hard Drivin'?

>>3669779
>Golden Tee became a series
>The objectively superior in all ways possible Neo Turf Masters didn't

>>3669771
I'm not talking generic arcade games or mediocre arcade games. I'm talking about arcade games that are just plain bad. Just crap by any standard.

Fire Hawk by ESD (Excellent Soft Design) is a stinker. It's a basic shmup with bland visuals and repetitive music.

I'm pretty sure it's a bootleg as the sprites look like they were stolen from another game (Strikers 1945 2) and the music too. The boss theme from the game is stage 2's theme from House of the Dead 2.

The game is quite rare I played it on emulator. I just didn't like it. There are much better shmups out there.

>>3669762
>post-3 Metal Slug games

Those are still stellar compared to a lot of shovelware junk. The music alone is great in them, and MS5 is actually good for the first level and half (drops in quality after that).

I personally think american arcades are kinda mediocre, but there are some especially shitty games like Guardian of the Hood.

>>3669851
That's a korean shmup, many of those are kinda shit.

B-Wings (Date East, 1984). It's a shmup with bland graphics, annoying sound effects, a ship that's as slow as Vic Viper with no speed-ups, cheap bosses, and a useless "duck" maneuver that's supposed to allow you to hit enemies below you and dodge other enemies, but it only works if you don't have any power-ups, and 75% of the time you'll crash into the scenery below if you use it!

Perhaps the most amazing thing about B-wings is that it actually got ported to the Famicom. Why Data East chose to port B-Wings and not Zaviga (which used the same hardware and game engine, but was a much better game overall) is beyond anyone's comprehension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9KcOIf3Ig

>>3669761
>Paying for arcade lives is the original DLC
I thought I was the only one here who held that opinion.

>>3669761
Gauntlet is neat though, you can play for hours with one credit if you are good enough, only problem is not resetting your score for each credit, like a lot of american shit

Double Dragon 3 is crap and what they did to the US version is ridiculous, it's still 1cceable however.

>>3669761
>>3670154

>not being able to 1cc any arcade game
>not playing games like fantasy zone where you can't continue at all.

>>3669721
Ninja Warriors
Pit Fighter
Zero Wing
Time Killers
Rockman, the Power Battle

Pit Fighter

>>3670294
>Ninja Warriors
>Zero Wing
>Rockman, the Power Battle
>shit

>>3669779
on separate occasions, the golden tee machine at my local B-dubs had portly guys in dress shirts excitedly walk up and insert several dollars at once (so he and his friends could play a whole round without interruption), and then violently hit the track ball for each swing

they all seemed WAY into it.

>>3669721
Almost all of the american-made ones

There are some poor Light Gun games out there too. Revolution X and Lethal Enforcers have to be the worst. Just hate the awful character animations and slow gameplay.

It guess the it was new technology before Time Crisis came out, but I just don't get on with digitalised actor sprites.

This has to be the worst level in Revolution X.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SZyaz8NDOCc

>>3669721
Revolution X is fucking dreadful. I like the scaling effects, but it's an ugly, poorly designed game.
Rastan Saga II is likely the worst game Taito has made, and one of the worst games I've played, the control is ridiculously bad for no good reason.

most arcade games I've sat down and played were at least competent in some degree, I might have just lucked out, I can't think of anything else right now

>>3670561
American developed arcade games were fairly okay overall, at least in the early-mid 80s.
late-80s onward, there's a big falloff though

>>3669762
why do people seem to hate Turbo Outrun so much?
It's pretty decent, unless you played it on Genesis (where it got a god-awful farmed out port).

>>3669779
Hard Drivin's arcade version is actually pretty great.
It got a gazillion fuck-awful ports to hardware that couldn't even attempt to do a polygon 3D game at a decent framerate, but the actual arcade board is pretty ace stuff. It's a basic, but decent game.

>>3670305
The Music in Ninja Warriors was pretty good though. It was by the same music team behind Darius. I would say gameplay wise is quite bland compared to games like Shinobi ect.

>>3670565
The thing that gets me about Revolution X is that I think it's in the 5% of arcade games that literally CAN NOT be cleared on one coin.

Even Midway's other seemingly-unfair games like NARC and Total Carnage can be 1cc'd, there are actually playthroughs on YouTube by the same game.

Revolution X on the other hand seems to be actually impossible. There are sections with unavoidable damage, and zero ways to regain health. It's a shame because I actually think it has the makings of a cool game, especially all the secrets it has.

>>3670590
>the same game.
Fuck, the same guy.

>>3670590
speaking of shit like that, isn't Sega's Rail Chase (fuck, both of them) like that?

love the idea and they're cool and all
but they're built to take your money in a blatant way while looking cool instead of being properly designed

>>3670305
An ultra fancy 3 screen setup doesn't make it good.

A sucking beam and ... nothing else. never even mind everything for great justice.

Mashing together platforming with versus fighting into the lowest common denominator of the two made it as bland as that formula orders.

>>3670590
That's the problem with some American made arcade games, a lot of them are made for credit feeding.

>>3670593
Yes, as well as the first Jurassic Park game. All 3 of those games don't even keep score. It would be cool to have a revision that adds scoring and awards health at the end of each stage, based on the score.

>>3669779
There was an era where the golden tee games were the single most profitable arcade machines in America. You could find them in almost every dive bar in every rural town, being played by some drunk retiree.

>>3670154
>Paying for arcade lives is the original DLC
t. underage who doesn't know their terminology

>>3670294
>Zero Wing
retarded youtuber detected. Zero Wing actually has pretty decent gameplay.

what is the best place to buy a arcade cabinet?

>>3669762
>post-3 Metal Slug games
wew lad

>>3669779
>It could also be that I really loved the first two Double Dragon games in the arcade and the 3rd could not live up to that.
The 3rd Double Dragon game was also outsourced to another studio since Technos were desperate to have it out by 1990 and the main Double Dragon team were doing Combatribes at the same time. Combatribes wasn't that great either, but it felt like it could've been the proper Double Dragon 3 with some modifications.

The JP flyer art was badass though, but even that was butchered for the U.S. version.

>>3670154
Are you implying Spinmaster was bad? Why?

>>3670845
It isn't just credit feeding. The U.S. version of Double Dragon 3 has item shows where you literally pay money for in-game power-ups.

>>3670985
>has item shows
*item shops

>>3670885
Ebay may have some arcade cabinets listed. You may need a truck or a trailer to collect it if the seller requires you to collect it in person.

>>3670294
>Ninja Warriors
>bad
t. I parrot my opinions from HG101

>>3670294
Pit Fighter was a fun game guys.

>>3669761
Fuck, this was literally the game I came in here to post.

>>3670985
>still doesn't know what the distinction between DLC and broader microtransactions is

>>3669761
>I have a personal hateboner for the Mortal Kombat line of games because it took away my SSF2(T) competition for what I saw was pure flash and no technical substance (even back then).

Weeding out casuals is never a bad thing.

>>3671141
I'm not even the same guy who whined about DLCs/microtransactions earlier in this thread, but most DLCs in modern games are just unlocks for more powerful gear or alternate costumes that would've been regular unlockables in the past.

At any rate, forcing you to insert more coins to do a hurricane kick is bullshit.

>>3671161
>>3671161
When DLC is bad or pointless it's easily ignored. When it's well done though, it's awesome. Monster Hunter does it right. I also like how most fighting games handle DLC.

>>3670847
Nope&nope!
>>3671059
I wouldn't even want to play it with a 21:9 TV.

**games**

>>3669721
Anything by Midway.
>>3669761
>I have a personal hateboner for the Mortal Kombat line of games
Me too, except because they're terrible.
>>3669762
>Magician Lord
Amen dude, that game is fucking rubbish.

I'll ad this one to the pile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OphWSUPISPI

>>3672660
Come on man, remember this is BAD, not mediocre. You seriously think nothing good came out of Midway.

I was at a place with a pair of well-maintained Arctic Thunder cabs today. It's a solid combat racer with some really nice track designs.

>>3669771
>half of the generic copypaste space shooters in the early arcade days.
>thankfully they eventually either branched out into something interesting or died out
agreed, there's honestly only one "STG" that I consider to be playable at all

Ikaruga seems more intresting than mainstream shmups because of the scoring mechanics. I also like Espgaluda for the same reasons.

>>3670154
>Paying for arcade lives is the original DLC
>Paying for a video game in a box is the original DLC
>Paying for a console and then having to buy video games is the original DLC
>Needing a controller to play a game is the original DLC
>Needing electricity and a house to have my console in is the original DLC

>>3669721
I vaguely remember some pacman/digdug clone i played 8 years ago at my neighbors house.

See my neighbor before he moved out and recently died had arcade machines such as Ms Pacman and even a Nintendo multi set with Contra and 2 of the original Mario games on it and my siblings would take turns playing it whenever my parents had some boring ass discussion with my neighbor.

It was some weird ass game but i forget the title of it so i can't look it up.

>>3669721
I haven't read through the entire thread but personally Pit Fighter was the worst arcade game I've ever played.

Use to stay at a campground in Pennsylvania and that was the only game they had. Sucked

blazeon is one of the worst shmups i've played, only good part is the music by early megaten composer Tsukasa Masuko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg3rJ1y0Asw

>>3671064
No

It was terrible

>>3669839
>by any standard
There there probably isn't even one. Arcade games weren't like modern pixleshit churned out in a game maker by some hipster in a few hours and downloaded. It's unlikely any game ever hit the arcade floor without having at least some good qualities in the eyes of multiple people who were involved in that decision.

>>3671064
I feel that Pit Fighter isn't THAT bad, but Guardians of the Hood is. Really sucks that Atari ditched Marble Madness 2 to make that.

>>3669721
>X-Men
>The Simpsons
>TMNT
Yes, I loved them as a kid, too. In retrospect they're very pretty, competent games, but the hit detection always feels off. It's like your hits phase through the enemy with little effect.

>>3669721
>what are some bad threads that got deleted but i reshitpost again.

>>3669721
Rampage I suppose because i don't like it

>>3669771
kek

>>3675924
The only thing I hate about Konami beat em ups are the bosses. I have no idea how to defeat Magneto in X-Men arcade without losing lives.

>>3674072
Oohh, listening to others tracks from this game... The music "Infinite World" was used in a bootleg hentai game for the snes called Adult Manga, that's nostalgic, I remember that I had a disc with hundreds of Snes roms around 2003 and I used this game to fap a lot.

Neat to discover the origin.

>>3677474
infinite world's intro is like a really good ripoff of turn up the radio

>>3676552
What the hell are you going on about mate?

>>3678254
>i've only been here 2 days
Sure you have sport. Probably the only time I accused a newfag of being older than they pretended to be.

>>3678651
Dude I think you meant to reply to someone else. Like what the fuck are you going on about?

>>3669762
>post-3 Metal Slug games

Don't fully agree and not retro but man was MS7's final boss underwhelming compared to the stuff they pulled in MS3, especially considering they were bringing time travel into it.

>>3671059
It is pretty bad, but 3 screens, robots, ninjas, tanks, robotic gorillas? I loved playing it in the arcades when I was a kid.

>>3669721
Basically anything that Bally/Midway made in the post-Williams era, and I'm not sure MK is an exception. It was one quarter-eater after another with them, and some of them are/were unfinished and/or literally unbeatable.

>>3670187
>Gauntlet is neat though, you can play for hours with one credit
Optimal Gauntlet play is very boring.

>>3679835
No. I mean to reply to the shitposter who posted the same thread twice in a week.

>>3679930
I love the whole Williams/Bally/Midway conglomerate and I agree.
Some of the games were good, even great. However, the game design philosophy became more about "buying" play time, so to speak, whereas the greatest arcade games allow the player to play for an extended period of time as long as they're good enough.
They worked much better as console games or when they're on free play. Their sports games (Jam, Blitz, Open Ice), for example, require you to pay for every period/quarter regardless of how well you do UNLESS you're playing with four people. In that case, the winning team gets a free play for the next period/quarter. I'll admit their rail shooters as mentioned above are a bit of a crapshoot, even though I enjoy them as guilty pleasures.

I would say their B-team made video games while the real talent concentrated on pinball, but there's a surprising amount of overlap. I can't believe one of the guys who made Defender, Robotron, and Smash TV also made the Cruisin' series. At least their pins hold up.

>>3681718
Are you implying Cruisin' was bad?

>>3681749
I can only speak for USA.
It's decent, even though that blue muscle car is a cheating bastard; that being said, I wouldn't go out of my way to play it. My main gripe is in the arcade version, even if you get in first, you have to insert another credit to continue. I don't mean come to come off as HURR DURR NO SKILL MUST WIN MUST WIN, but if the game isn't giving me an incentive to do well, why should I bother?

>>3681831
Pretty sure you earn a free play if you place in first in World. I'm too lazy to check.

>>3680115
From what I've seen it's strategic as fuck, that might be boring for some people

>>3677474
Any chance you still have the disc? If it's one of those ones with shit loads of old scene releases it's useful.

>>3670137
>Perhaps the most amazing thing about B-wings is that it actually got ported to the Famicom.

And it was better there. It didn't sound like shit and there was no scenery below to crash into if you wanted to dive.

>>3674072
The SNES version is even worse: take the arcade game, slow the scrolling down even more, then 1-minute sections to the stages where NOTHING HAPPENS. As if the arcade version wasn't slow-paced enough! At least the music is every bit as good as the arcade original...
>>3677474
I wonder if Adult Manga used the exact same version of "Infinite World" from stage 4 in the SNES version of BlaZeon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjiR-A5WEAs

>>3684227
should be "...then ADD 1-minutes sections to the stages where NOTHING HAPPENS."

>>3681831
All of the Cruisin' games award a free race for first by default. This is likely something that can be turned off by the operator.

The Cruisin' series is pretty weak overall, even compared to other western racing games. Midway's "Thunder" (Arctic/Hydro/Offroad) series and Atari's Rush series are both much better.