/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3661608
>Medal of Honor has not aged well.
IT IZ ZE AMERICAN SHITPOSTER JIMMY PATERSON!

>>3662534
>all this asspain!

Video games don't age and Medal of Honor is still fun.

>>3662536
SHOW ME TEIN PAPURS

Panzer Front is a cool little WWII tank sim if you're looking to stay on Playstation.

It's surprising that a FPS this old already had the modern dual-joysticks controls.

>>3661608
>Medal of Honor
Are we talking Allied Assault or that shitty lil' shooter on PS1?

>>3662747
Obviously that shitty PS1 game.

MOH: AA was GOAT though, what a ride.

I remember Hidden and Dangerous being pretty fun. I remember picking up the PS1 version years ago despite having never heard of it and ended up being pleasantly surprised.

>>3662537
bullshit
early 3D games have definetly aged

>>3662870
Dis nigga knows what hes talkin about

which means >>3662537 is wrong on both accounts

>>3662870
No they haven't and Medal of Honor is not "early 3D" fuck off.

>>3663003
are you gonna tell me about some retro World War 2 games besides MoH and Wolfenstein or are you just gonna keep being a faggot?

>>3661608
These games are just the early versions of modern console FPS, you should probably go up a gen and play Allied Assault and CoD 1&2.

>>3662870
>early 3d
How old are you?

>>3662615
Also released on Dreamcast and got a japanese sequel with a mission editor, fyi.

>>3663010
Panzer General 2

>>3663175
Lots of wwII tank & airplane games. Anything that's infantry? Besides MoH

>>3663196
Close Combat series

What are some games with a retro feel that let me play as the good guys of WWII?

>>3663217
Panzer General

>>3661608
I agree that MoH and the sequel have not aged well. Tried playing the splitscreen with my brother and it's more frustrating trying to at least dink him than to through nades while screen watching.

>>3663018
Wolfenstein 3D is 2.5D

>>3661608
>>3662536
>>3662870
>>>/v/

>>3663489
2.5D doesn't make sense, why, because of the superpositioned sprites? You are an idiot, that is irrelevant.

It is either 2D or 3D depending how you look at it, if you consider what you can see, it is 3D, because you can see to your right and left, up and above, and in depth.

If you consider the movement, it is 2D, because the motherfucker can never look up or down or jump, you are like in a tunnel, you can only move to your sides in any direction, there you have 2 dimensions, you are missing height.

Though if you can go up some stairs it would make it 3D, I don't remember if there were stairs at any point in this game though.

Educate yourself.

>>3661608
Medal of honor allied assault on PC is GOAT. It was basically the very first cod game. The psx and PS2 games were indeed shit though.

>>3663594
Console ports of anything are always shit anon.

Besides PC versions often have some sort of enhancements or mod around, you can't do that on a console.

And would be stupid to emulate something you can run natively.

I find MOH and MOHU perfectly playable but I can understand underage and plebs who can't get into the controls nowadays. It's not the game, those people usually have issues with every single game on ps1 in teh genre, with tank controls and everything else that marked the era.

Objectively speaking, MOH and MOHU have some of the:

>best AI in the FPS genre to this day
>best OST and gun sounds which further adds to the
>gunplay
>atmosphere, few games created that kind of eerie ww2 vibe and no, RTCW does not fucking count
>genuinely challenging missions here and there

Granted multiplayer was shit but at least multi had very cool character unlocks as well as new missions.

>>3663668
>best AI in the FPS genre to this day
uhhhhhh the AI does some cool stuff but come on man, there's more to good AI than taking cover and throwing back grenades

You might be right about the OST and gun sounds though. Even with low-quality samples they legit sound better than tons of modern games which is just sad.

>>3663613
Except the psx MOH's were made from the ground up as psx games.

They had no excuse.

>>3663548
Wolf3d's engine doesn't support stairs or height differences, that's a revolutionary DOOM feature.

Anyone remember a game called Martyr? Pretty sure that's what it was called.
It got average reviews at best but IIRC it did some neat things with lighting and was one of those demo CD games that never really saw the light of day after that.
Or did I just dream the whole thing?

>>3661608
Hidden & Dangerous 2 is my go-to older WW2 games, probably my favorite of them all really.
3/5th of the game is pretty top-tier, the 2/5th is meh since they're just "kill everyone" missions.

>>3661608
>GOOD retro World War II games?
COMMAN OVUR
OY'M COMMAN

>>3664307
>Commandos

>>3662615
Have to play this again. Pretty good non-pc tank simulator.

>>3662870
>early 3D games have definetly aged

No. They looked trash when they were new. Everyone knew they were trying to do too much with too little.

>>3661608
Close combat

>>3663548
>2.5D doesn't make sense

In context as a term invented specifically as a label for precisely this, yes it does.

>because of the superpositioned sprites?

No. The engine isn't 3D, the way the viewport interprets what the user sees makes it appear 3D. There is a world of fucking difference between the two. Wolf 3D is a 2D tile engine. There's nothing 3D in the engine, it's essentially a filter over the camera. You could do the same thing to Final Fantasy 1 if the hardware was capable of it.

>>3664617
Hundreds of hours spent playing A Bridge Too Far campaign mode , amazing game

>>3664307
The voice acting from that game still haunts me.

>>3662752
Hidden & Dangerous is awesome. Buggy, but awesome. It was like Commando's in 3D.

>>3661608
Why do people here get so salty when people say "X game hasn't aged well"? It's pretty obvious games don't go through physical aging (save for things like bit rot), but I don't think it's too hard to imagine that a game that was hot stuff in 1990 might not be that appealing by modern standards. For a long time "The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time" was lauded as being one of the greatest games of all time, yet looking back on it, it has a low framerate, awkward camera controls, muddy textures, a small overworld, and a deceptively linear structure. Yet, it was also quite revolutionary, and it has a charm to it few other games can match. I still consider it a classic game despite its flaws.

Anyway, back on topic, I'm not really knowledgeable on the topic of World War II themed games, but Medal of Honor: Allied Assault was a favorite of mine back in high school. Yes, it's a couple years past the "retro" deadline, but it's by no means "modern". Skip the PS1 games and play it, preferably with some good friends.

>>3664292
Mortyr, it´s pretty bad trust me, i have the original CD. The only really decent Mortyr game was 3, and that was not a well known game outside of central europe.

>>3664638
I liked the level where the plane in which you were flying crashed, then your men all parachuted into different parts of the map.

>>3661608
Commandos: Beyond the call of duty is probably my favorite strategy game of all time.

>>3663548
yes it does make sense
games like Wolfenstein F-Zero Super Mario Kart Hang-On etc are 2D games trying to emulate 3D thus 2.5D

stop arguing semantics and talk about WW2 games

>>3663668
>takes 3 shots from an M1 Garand, a HIGH POWERED RIFLE, to drop an enemy
>unless you hit them in the head, then 2 shots, first one only knocks their helmet off

the gunplay sucks ass

>>3663668
>muh underage

you guys need to stop saying this every time someone disagrees

I guarantee you an underage is not going to care about an old PS1 WW2 game enough to start a thread about it

>>3664641
Because the vast majority of people that say it use it like OP: as a lazy, vague dismissal. If you have something to say about a game and a reason why you don't like it, just say it.

It's like people have this cognitive dissonance about old games that they have to resolve. "This game is old... and seems to be well-regarded and was well-reviewed... but I don't like it?! How can I explain this... oh, I see, it's because this game 'aged badly', yes, that must be it. Better keep it vague so people can't call me out on my preferences."

>>3665486
Underage faggot libcuck CTR e-celeb SJW shill!

Love you anon

>>3664621
Then the engine its 2D, but not """"2.5D"""", its no different than any other 2D game

The gameplay is 2D because of what >>3664274 said

And if you consider what the player can perceive, it could be seen as "3D" as you said.

Doom on the other side might use a 2D engine, but the gameplay is no different than Quake, its 3D, in the sense that it plays like a 3D game even if its just a trick.

>>3665484
Longer TTK > corner-peeking instadeath crap.

>>3661608

>>3665497
The gameplay of Doom is not any more 3D than Marble Madness.

>>3665497
2.5D is a useful term for games that get themselves into that position.

The fact it may not strictly be accurate in dimension terms is irrelevant. Linguistically it's useful for expressing information in a short-form fashion to other human beings, most of which - within the specific domain of retro gaming - have heard the term and know in advance what it means.

>>3665490
Whenever someone says a game hasn't "aged well", I usually assume it comes down to things like unforgiving or arcane gameplay mechanics, unusual control schemes, low fidelity graphics, or an adherence to design trends that have long since been superseded.

It doesn't really bother me that much, but what does bother me is when people say "that game didn't age, it's always been shitty". Bitch, please. GoldenEye 007 is archaic and rather difficult to enjoy by modern standards, but back in 1997? People fucking loved it. It's not because it's a bad game, it's because other games have come along and done what it did better. Taste in games is a subjective thing, but I say a game is good if people get enjoyment out of it, which is the case with GoldenEye.

>>3666041
>GoldenEye 007 is archaic and rather difficult to enjoy by modern standards

Nice not-so-subtle dig at Goldeneye, it's still fun as fuck on 00 Agent mode.

>it's because other games have come along and done what it did better

Like what? No shooter other than Perfect Dark has equaled its blend of arcadey shooting, open levels and stealth.

>>3666063
You've got a point, there aren't a whole lot of games out there that are just like GoldenEye. The TimeSplitters series comes close, and so does XIII. When I refer to GE being archaic, I mean more in terms of its framerate and barebones multiplayer. The fact that I last played it on a modern TV doesn't help either, but to be fair N64 looks like trash on anything that's not a decent CRT, other than when you emulate.

>>3666073
Also, I forgot to mention that PD kicks ass and somehow I find its framerate issues to be more forgivable, but its story mode takes a huge dive after the Area 51 missions.

>>3666073
XIII is still really good

>>3666073
>You've got a point, there aren't a whole lot of games out there that are just like GoldenEye

That's exactly the point I'm trying to make

>>3662870
Give me the freedom to rebind my inputs and I can enjoy almost all of them

>>3662537
I agree its very fun to play nowadays

>>3666041

People love lots of bad games that come out now. Look at the top seller's list.

And people liked golden eye as a party game FPS, not for single player. And only because they didn't have access to quake.

Frontline aged alright and still has the best soundtrack in vidya history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv7QcsuvfH0

>inb4 muh 1999

The game is nearly 15 fucking years old now.

>>3668187
>And people liked golden eye as a party game FPS, not for single player. And only because they didn't have access to quake.

PCfat myths.

Does Army Men count?

It was pretty much WW2. And those "you lose" screens gave me PTSD when I was 6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9doT02nWzSM

>>3668230
the World War ones are worse at that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqJkXCk2VNQ

>>3665481
How cares what they are trying to emulate.

They use 2D engines

But if you can move in 3 dimensions, then the game itself is 3D, period.

>>3665769
Its inaccurate and unnecessary, tecnically wrong, being "2 dimensions amd a half" doesn't make sense, what is half a dimension? Nothing at all, some made up shit by some retard that survived for some reason.

I thought we had technically minded people here, not normalfags.

>>3668640
Fractional dimensions do exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausdorff_dimension

>>3668640
>what is half a dimension?
An illusion. It's a useful term to refer to the third dimension that doesn't actually exist, but is created by an illusion.

Let me ask you "HENRY", do you believe in half A-presses? As a legitimate autist I feel you're being unreasonably autistic in sticking to the technically correct definition.

In regular conversation it's easier to say "Recommend me some 2.5D games" than "Recommend me some 2D games that use technological or perspective tricks to create the illusion of an environment that contains more dimensions than actually exist on the playing field." which is all that actually matters in the field of casual human communication.

>>3668643
So Jews actually invent dimensions?

Maybe /pol/ is right...

>>3668645
In regular conversation I say sprite based 3D games, its really not that difficult, but nice try.

Even for someone not much into the subject is more clear to understand than "2.5D", which is just an stupid alias.

>>3668651
>sprite based 3D games
But they're on a 2D plane. The 3D effect is an illusion, everything is actually 2D.

It's a 2D game with novel visual effects.

>>3668652
Its engine is 2D

But because of the "tricks", it plays like a 3D game, when I think about a 3D game I think about the gameplay, not how it was constructed, because other than looking prettier, Quake plays the same way than DOOM basically, they are in the same genre, 3D shooters.

>>3668654
Quake lets you look up and down but Doom doesn't.

>>3668661
But you can move between floors, through stairs and elevators

And that isn't a limitation of the engine (yes but no), in Rise of the Triad you can look up and down.

>>3661608
i'd say the early call of duty games but world at war was the best WWII COD

>>3661608
>>3665694

Mortyr 1, 2, 3 and 4 are somewhat obscure but worth playing if you can find them.

>>3668651
>sprite based 3D games
The "2.5D" term never had anything to do with sprites, though.

>>3668652
>they're on a 2D plane. The 3D effect is an illusion, everything is actually 2D
I can let this go if you're talking about Wolfenstein, but this is simply false for the majority of games people call "2.5D" such as Doom and Build engine games.

>>3664613

>>The sound of tank rounds bouncing off your hull.

Damn good game.

>>3669172
Doom is still 2.5D because you can't look up or down

>>3661608
>Medal of Honor has not aged well.

How? It actually has level design and enemies reacting to where you shoot them which is above and beyond most shooters in the last eight years.

>>3665486
But it's really convenient for me to blame anything I dislike on children and ecelebs.

>>3662870
Games don't age they stay exactly the same and if the shit was fun at launch it should be fun now too.

If not then you grade games at launch on superficial shit and your opinion belongs in the trash along with your James Cameron's Avatar and Star Wars: The Force Awakens posters.

>>3670452
>the shit was fun at launch it should be fun now too.

no

>>3670461
SÍ!!!

>>3661608
I agree about MoH, the controls are what suffered the most, but it's still pretty playable if you have a little patience.

I agree RTCW is best though, that and W3D.

>>3670461
Yes. If the game was truly shit it would've been panned at release. Having to take a few seconds to get used to something because common trends have changed doesn't mean it aged it just means you're a stubborn brat who probably freaks out when a movie is in black and white.