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Link to the Past


Also, didn't understand the title of it. I know it was originally called Triforce of the Gods in Japan, but what's up with the American title? I suppose it's sort of a pun on Link's name, but how is there a link to the past?

Link's Awakening.

While many people hype up ALttP as the greatest game ever made, it just feels like a bore to me for the most part. And this is from a guy who's beat it a couple times.

ALTTP because graphics, it was the first one I ever played, music is great and gives me the feels

links awakening. more engrossing story, interesting characters and difficulty compared to a link to the past...link to the past was just so fucking typical

>>365218
>link to the past was just so fucking typical

Maybe because it sorta fucking CREATED all of those cornerstones of what the series is like.

Alttp. Still play it every year not to lose the feels.
Same thing for Mario RPG, FFVI,

Basicaly my childhood trifecta.

LA > LttP
I've played both though, LttP is a solid 8.5/10 but I just felt a lot of the themeing felt bland, you know... Like yeah, got your desert... forest... generic village.... etc.
It's still tons of fun, and dat Dark World too
Link's Awakening was my first Zelda game.

Please, this is the one discussion that turns /vr/ most into /v/

most people here like oracles the best, bu I think LA is unbeaten. Tighter controls, greater sense of adventure, more charming atmosphere and npc's and a much richer and more alive world than LTTP

>>365231

doesn't make it the better game...and it isn't like the one for NES conceptually wasn't entirely different just with worse graphics

>>365205
This.

I played Lttp much later and was disappointed. Theres only one town, mostly devoid of life or character. The dungeons felt boring, and the overworld was just a cheap way to double the size of the map.

LttP has too many fucking dungeons, and the dungeon designs aren't that cool. I recall the third dungeon of the dark world and you didn't even need to go through it at all, just fall in a hole, get the big key, fall into another one to get the weapon and go kill the boss. Less than 5 minutes on that.

>>365205
/thread

>>365185
how can you even compare the shit known as awakening to lttp

>>365329
Go back to /v/.

>>365185

God would it kill to make a different box art for Awakening.

Name a single moment in LTTP as memorable as this

>>365208
It was a prequel to the two games that came before it.

I choose LttP. No stupid owls.

link's awakening. the world and dungeons were fucking amazing, and still feel pretty fresh upon replay.

maybe it has to do with the engine and the one screen per area deal. it definitely made each place feel unique, you can remember tons of single areas/rooms from that game easily if you've played it a decent amount

go ahead, try it. you know the exact configuration of the room with the heart piece surrounded by holes near the witch's shack, don't you? can't you just see it? what area in lttp do you know that well?

>>365321
>shitty post with no reasoning behind it except that one game is "boring"
>/thread

These fucking threads are the worst thing on /vr/.

Awakening, it's common knowledge that /vr/ prefers it, another reason I love this board.

who cares? they're both good games.

Awakening easily.

>remembering all the great bits from LA
Holy shit so many awesome moments

>>365247
Any thread where people want 'the best' or 'only one' answer turns into /v/ after awhile.

I cannot really choose between the two. LttP felt much larger, not because of light/dark world, but the areas you explored and dungeons felt much bigger and less confined than LA. However, Link in LA moved much smoother and the story/interaction with the world felt deeper than LttP.

Both are strong games, it's really pointless to choose one as 'the better'.

>>365351
wut
this is more memorable

Zelda 2 is the best zelda.

>>365356
yeah sure deter me back to /v/ when you're comparing a diamond to a piece of bronze, they're both good games but it's a joke comparison that is meant to fire up people, like you

Awakening, it just worked better for me

majora's mask>oot

>>365363
Hoo hoo, hey there Link!
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>>365208
>Also, didn't understand the title of it. I know it was originally called Triforce of the Gods in Japan,
> Triforce of the Gods
The US are not really fond of using terms like God in the past. Remember when pearl was a replacement of Holy in Final Fantasy?

>>365490
God Slayer

im not trying to be edgy or anything but did anyone else legitimately not enjoy ocarina of time or majoras mask? I played links awakening before any of them and I still think that and wind waker are the best. well whatever, thats just me...

>>365506
Disliking OOT is mainstream as fuck round here, sorry. It's only backlash from it being so popular for a long time, though

>>365518
>Disliking OOT is mainstream as fuck round here
What? No it isn't. It's not loved, doesn't mean we dislike it.
It's okay.

>>365518

i dont care whether im being mainstream or not im just glad people agree with me and dont like it for the sake of being different

>>365531
I love it. It has more bosses than MM

>>365506
Ocarina of Time is my favorite game in the series. I only played it for the first time a few weeks ago after having put it off forever and, in my opinion, it would be flawless if it weren't for the camera, framerate and the owl. Majora's Mask is now the only Zelda game I haven't played to completion; as a result, I don't really have an opinion on it.

>>365185
Link's Awakening is more concise, Link to the Past is bigger. I would say that I prefer LTTP but I haven't beaten LA since I was maybe ten so I would have to play it again.

>>365518
>>365531
>speaking for other people
No, we're not /v/, everyone here has different taste. I preferred OoT over MM, but both were good games. OoT suffers FFVII syndrome. Most well known titles on their respected consoles, usually mentioned near the top of any gaming chart, and usually just disliked for being popular.

>>365553
Marin dies at the end

Link's Awakening. A Link to the Past had looked and sounded great but something about it always felt off to me.

>>365531
While I am pretty certain the "OoT is great" camp is the silent majority like it is basically everywhere else, the amount of contempt that OoT gets in discussions here is disproportionately large. Similarly, Zelda 2 gets a lot more respect here than it does on most other gaming discussion boards.

I've also just straight up never seen more praise for OoA and OoS in my life.

Zelda 1

>>365570
Everybody dies. The damn game is a dream.

>>365593
Link dies at sea

>>365490
Yeah, I understand *why* they changed it, just not the title they changed it to.

>>365558
>>365531
Just because /vr/ isn't one person doesn't mean there isn't a general consensus and certain opinions aren't more popular than others. It's just an observation about how threads usually go. And lose the tripcode.

>>365583

Oracle of Ages and Seasons were the best handheld Zelda games, hands down.

>>365185
Like its predecessors, A Link to the Past introduced elements that became mainstream for the Zelda franchise, including:
The Master Sword. Games like Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess featured it with a similar function and purpose as in the SNES game.
The dungeons became more thematically distinctive, reflecting different architectures and purposes. Dungeons based on forest, water and ice, for instance, are played for the first time here.
This is the first game where Pieces of Heart are shown, leading to more sidequests (assuming they existed at all in the NES titles).
A Link to the Past was the first game in the series to use the now standardized Zelda logo in American releases. Japan would later use this standardized logo by the release of Ocarina of Time.
This game introduces the Cucco Revenge Squad, where a flock of Cuccos will attack Link if he attacks one continuously.
Kakariko Village and Lake Hylia debut in this title.
This is the first Zelda game where a member of Link's family is shown. The only other games that do this are The Wind Waker and The Minish Cap.
The notion of Link freeing maidens from crystal prisons was reused with Princess Zelda in Ocarina of Time and Skyward Sword, and with Din in Oracle of Seasons.

>>365616
While not as influential to the overall structure of Zelda games as The Legend of Zelda or A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening introduced a number of elements that recur in later Zelda games, including:

The use of a location other than Hyrule as a setting.
A list of songs playable on the game's instrument that must be learned and have different functions, although unlike in Ocarina of Time and some later games the songs simply play when selected, rather than having to be played note by note.
The first occurrence of fishing.
Unique background music for each dungeon rather than reusing the same single theme or few themes, as its predecessors did. Most games after Link's Awakening follow its lead in this respect.
The first trading sequence in the series.
The first clear example of a lava- or fire-themed dungeon in the series, with Turtle Rock.
The Roc's Feather.
An Owl who periodically meets Link and gives him advice on where to go or what to do next.
A set of well-hidden collectible items that have no use by themselves but can be redeemed at a certain location to receive useful items. (Secret Seashells in Link's Awakening, with Gold Skulltulas and Poe Souls as examples of successors.)

>>365558
>generalizations not allowed
Yeah, neither OoT or MM are bad games, but for some reason neither really elicited much feeling in me, not as much as the older games did.

>>365616
>>365631

And so, based on this, I have to give it to ALttP

LA was fine and fun, but ALttP made more substantial contributions to the series as a whole.

That being said, something I loved in ALttP that I miss in other games is throwing your stuff into a pond for a fairy to upgrade it. Specifically for the boomerang

>>365631
Does every dungeon have different music? It's years since I played it

>>365662
Yeah, face shrine is the best one.

>>365617
Should I play OoS/OoA or MM first? I've done pretty much all of the other major Zelda games (I haven't finished Skyward Sword but that game is a chore).

>>365662

Yep.

>>365683
>>365685
how the fuck did they fit so much awesome into a 1993 gameboy cartridge. Wow.

LA (original, not DX with the lowered difficulty and the forced THIEF for 100% completion).

Eagle's Tower is the best dungeon in any Zelda game.

>>365658
I don't care if it contributed more, LA is still more fun.

>>365725
Some of the music in that game is downright brilliant, too. Tal Tal Heights comes to mind.

>>365631
>An Owl who periodically meets Link and gives him advice on where to go or what to do next.
The melody that plays when the owl flies down and the hooting sound is probably the defining vidya tune of my childhood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNvlwx9-aw

Link's Awakening is much better than A Link to the Past in my opinion.

>>365680

Tough choice. I'd say start with Majora's Mask though and then play the Oracle games. It really doesn't matter what order though, you won't miss out on anything one way or another.

Link to the Past

>>365819
>It really doesn't matter what order though
If you're talking about the Oracle games, that's true, as long as you do it from both directions.

>>365819
>>365847
If I recall, Oracle of Seasons was a better game.

>>365631
>The first clear example of a lava- or fire-themed dungeon in the series, with Turtle Rock.

There was a Turtle Rock in LttP that was lava-themed.

>>365570
Marin gets CHIM and awakes from the god's dream if you do it right

>>365819
Yeah I think I'm going to do that. Having just come off of OoT I think this is probably the most appropriate time to play MM.

>>365937
If you do it right, Link is a seagull.

>>365949
I played OoT and MM that way, if you're as impatient as I am, you'll feel like smacking MM upside the head, some aspects of it are highly frustrating compared to OoT.
Play it though, there are some decent dungeons in there, and some decent gameplay mechanics which I won't spoil

Hey if you guys wanna watch Link's Awakening, Mo0o2 is actually playing it right now at
SaveStateHeroes
.com

>>365982
That might happen, yes. I don't know much about MM other than that there's a lot of masks and a time limit that you can reset with consequences.

I was actually lucky in that OoT was relatively unspoiled for me if you don't count the fact that I knew the plot inside out before I started the game and had seen the Ganon fight several times before; I didn't know anything about the items or the dungeons past the first third of the game. Hover boots were a neat surprise.

LTTP

It set the ground for the entire series.

>>365984
sweet. This dude is annoying as fuck though

>>366113
Well it's also his first time playing it, so maybe that's why.

>>366083
>3rd game in series
>set the ground for entire series
Okay.

Every installment in the main series is an oustanding game in its own rights. But if you think the first Legend of Zelda for the NES is the best game in the series your view is yo skewed by nostalgia goggles that you should be legally blind.

>>366181
I'm 18 years old and not in any way fueled by nostalgia for the first LoZ and I still think it's in the top five for the series.

>>366181
Still my favorite. Had the tightest controls of any Zelda game to date. Multiple kills and knockback/kill combos were easy to pull off once you got good, and you could sometimes even get Link to basically stab in two directions at once by turning just as you stabbed while in a tight spot. No other game in the series has such lightning-quick response time on screen.

LoZ is like a pair of old slippers to me. I replay it about once a year. I don't want to argue about which one's the best, but it's still my personal favorite.

>>366363
There's a big difference between saying a game is a favorite and saying a game is the best in a series. I mean, I had a shitload of fun with LoZ and I never played it as a kid. But you can't deny that in the dungeons at least almost every "puzzle" consists of just placing bombs everywhere and checking which blocks are hidden switches. Although the combat has its appeal due to its high skill ceiling and its challenge. Other than that the game feels like a prototype for ALttP and LA.

>>366181
Oh, and Skyward Sword is disqualified from being the best in the series due to its insurmountable heap of bad design decisions, although I think it gets more hate than it deserves. But let's not talk about SS.

>>366404
I felt it was less about puzzles in the current sense of the term and more about exploration and risk management. But you know, opinions.

Anyway that was my first post in this thread, so I'm not trying to argue with you about what you said in your first sentence. Trying to get Zelda fans to agree on a best title is like trying to herd cats. Rabid cats. On a freeway. At rush hour.

>>366439
>I felt it was less about puzzles in the current sense of the term and more about exploration and risk management

I know what you mean, actually. A lot of the difficulty and reward came from finding the right way in the dungeons.

>>366439
>risk management

I meant resource management. Ugh, sorry. My day job writing corporate pap sometimes bleeds over into my /vr/ posts.

Zelda 1.

Still my favorite after all these years. Simple, straightforward, tons of exploration, no real story.

Link's Awakening was so much fucking easier than LttP, so I guess I like LttP more because of that.

Link's Awakening though...

BEST

FUCKING

GLITCHES

birdphone

>>365231
I hate those arguments
Mario 64 may have invented 3D platforming as it is today but that doesn't change the fact that it was a mediocre game that's been done better many times

I played LA first, I love both. Out of the control schemes I prefer the gameboy's controls because of the active shield.

>>366526
>Mario 64
>mediocre
u wot m8

this debate is not dissimilar to OoT vs. MM

one enjoys gameplay, the other enjoys feels/immershun. which is which?

>>366619
I'd argue that LA is an improvement on nearly every level, not just the atmosphere and stuff.

The dungeons and bosses are more engaging (let's face it, how many giant eyeballs did you fight in ALttP) for one.

>>366613
Yep
Galaxy is infinitely better

>>366642
I couldn't get 'into' galaxy
It didn't feel whimisical, it didn't feel innovative, it just kinda felt...
>well where hasn't Mario gone yet?
>Space?
>Might as well
And thus a space game was created

Even if you think M64 controlled like ass, you have to admire the creativeness that went into it instead of just launching the plumber into orbit