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3659401 No.3659401 [Reply] [Original]

What's the best way to emulate? I just want to play retro games and I'm not interested in collecting at all. How can one achieve as little input lag as possible through emulation and the us of LCDs?

>> No.3659407

>>3659401
Input lag is mostly made up bullshit, so lardasses can justify their fire hazards. Just get a decent pc.

>> No.3659412

>>3659401
Download an emulator and roms then begin playing. Hope this helps.

>> No.3659417

>>3659407
I mostly agree with this, but any time I try emulating Super Mario World I always notice a delay between pressing a button and the action happening on-screen. It never seems to be an issue with any other game...

>> No.3659423

Input lag is a huge issue. Its the only thing keeping me chained to a crt. A laptop with 20-40 ms total lag would be perfect but I doubt there is anything out there that can do it

>> No.3659426

It depends on what type of experience you want.

I mean, if you just wanna play, go to your PC a just smash all those emulators.

If you want to go CRT, use a Wii or Xbox, or even a computer with a VGA Stereo - SCART connection.

>> No.3659430
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3659430

I have played a nes emulator for Nintendo DS that had no perceivable input lag. Since that test of a handheld can do it, why not a laptop? Don't say LCD display latency either, ds has a shitty LCD display, how fast can that thing be?

>> No.3659434

>>3659426
Ignore this, scart is for faggots

>> No.3659442

>>3659401
Depends on an emulator. You should know that Aero desktop composition in Windows 10 adds lag to a lot of emulators. There are ways to reduce this which have been talked over and over elsewhere though.

Otherwise, some autists tried to measure lag on, for example, NEStopia, and came to the conclusion that it simply doesn't exist. So emulator lag is a stale meme for butthurt collectors.

>> No.3659443

SSD
Cheap/Midrange CPU
Frontend (there are free ones but I use Launchbox)
Wireless 360 controller

>> No.3659462

>>3659442
>>3659430
>>3659423
>>3659417
I really noticed it when doing speedruns of games. The NES emulators run slower (On my PC and on my Wii) and when the NES is hooked up to an HDTV I notice a very small amount of input lag. I don't notice it on any games that I don't speedrun. That's what I've noticed.

>> No.3659470
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3659470

>>3659401
For me, a good desktop + 144HZ G-Sync (or FreeSync if you prefer AMD) + DualShock 4 + a combo of RetroArch & Mame (preferably qmc2). Tickles my autism in all the right places.

>> No.3659473

>>3659401
>What's the best way to emulate?

On an original console hooked up to a CRT and playing authentic cartridges

>> No.3659479

This needs to stop. Are people trolling everytime they call input lag a meme or are there actually people who think it doesn't exist? Anyone who played the real consoles on a crt and then tried an HD display had to have noticed it. Even Rock band needed to be calibrated to work with the lag introduced by HD sets.

>> No.3659605

>>3659479
lag is a meme, I wonder even if it's just a Windows problem, because I have never ever had perceptable lag on my laptops, even hooked to the CRT through a converter box.
==LAG IS A SPOOK==

>> No.3659613

>>3659417
get RetroArch and turn on its hard-gpu-sync function

>> No.3659616

>>3659605
People have quantified the latency of different emulators and displays using high speed cameras. Nobody cares that you have the reflexes of a 90 year old stroke patient.

>> No.3659620
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3659620

>>3659616
Whew, it's a good thing I'm not a highspeed camera then so I can still enjoy my video games ;^)

>> No.3659624

>>3659616
Anyone who actually cares about lag would have a CRT. While the OP wants to use an LCD which means just dealing with it.

>> No.3659632

>>3659473
do flash carts lead to lag?

>> No.3659650

>>3659632
SNES flashcarts are the only ones that have to emulate on-cartridge chips that I'm aware of, but those are all done through FPGA and I haven't heard of any observable latency.

NES and GB have to handle different mappers which were just some basic hardware and microcontrollers, not even full blown chips, no latency problems (some compatibility issues on the NES though, unsure about GB).

Genesis games were all just straight forward direct mapping as far as I'm aware, I heard the flash carts are 100% compatible (I could be wrong, did any Genesis games use custom mappers or on-board chips?). Shouldn't be any latency, maybe some load time similar to SNES flash carts when you select a game.

>> No.3659659

>>3659443
wireless is laggier tho

>> No.3659663

>>3659442

> talked over and over

I'm an oldfag but I've not seen these. Currently building a pc JUST for large LCD low lag emulation. Tips?

>> No.3659664

>>3659632
Nope, playing on a flash cart is no different then playing on a real cart.

>> No.3659849

>>3659659
I have found no reasonable problem with it yet. Had some connection problems with one controller and I dont feel like its a compromise

>> No.3659857

>>3659401
Buy all the GOG Dosboxed game if you want to pay polack jews.

Otherwise configure your own damn dosbox, WINE or whatever. Then download the games from archives/torrentz or wherever.

If you're not PC mustard rice, then MESS is a good multi-console emulator. Just fucking check with emuparadise, newb.

>> No.3659895

Input delay exists but it so tiny unless you have a really shit tv. You are unlikely to ever notice it unless you have played the game a 'authentically', which if you could you wouldn't need to emulate.

>> No.3659932

>>3659401
>What's the best way to emulate?
CRT Emudriver and a 15khz CRT.

>> No.3659995

Seriously, buy a Wii, you can get them cheap as fuck.

They are so easy to hack. There are tutorials everywhere that will walk you through it.

You can mount a ton of emulators on there and it will also allow you to mount GameCube and Wii games as a bonus

>> No.3659998

>>3659430
pc has layers and layers of processing, latency limitations, and driver overhead, combine that with an LCD now.

DS has an LCD, just that. Ever notice how PC gamers seem to know nothing about PC gaming?

>> No.3660018

>>3659998
Ever notice how consolekids seem to think PCs are far and away worse than their little toys that have a tiny, microscopic fraction of the power of even the lowest end PCs?

Fucking idiot. Go back to /v/ and play your childish moviegame garbage on your toys that you're only attached to because mommy didn't want to get you a scary PC when you were little and when you grew up you were too fucking stupid to graduate to a real game machine.

Consoles used to be relevant back when PCs were actually limited in what they could do. Now? Your toys are obsolete.

>> No.3660024

>>3659407
input lag is real on larger flatscreen tvs. on pcs its pretty much non existent.

>> No.3660028

>>3660018
I love the autistic screeching

>> No.3660031

>>3660018
>mom bought me the wrong video card, she's such a bitch

>> No.3660106

>>3659401
>How can one achieve as little input lag as possible through emulation and the us of LCDs?
Choose the least shittiest LCD and use proper emulation settings.

Ignore anyone complaining of memes they come from /pol/.

>> No.3660128

>>3659932
>Falling for the 15khz meme

>> No.3660423
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3660423

I have an old Intel Atom N270 based netbook, not the most powerful machine in the world by any means but it can run emulators such as MAME, Snes 9X etc.

I rediscovered the netbook earlier today when I was going through some cupboards and it had Ubuntu installed on it which works fine, no sluggishness or anything like that when navigating the GUI. I decided to install Lakka on it and use it for emulation but it's unusable, the interface is unbelievably slow, I'll press a direction and it won't respond for at least 30 seconds if at all.

Can anyone recommend any super lightweight/minimal Distros or Frontends for Linux?

>> No.3660426

>>3659998
>pc has layers and layers of processing, latency limitations, and driver overhead

I'm pretty sure Street Fighter V for example has less input lag on PC than on console

>> No.3660442

>>3660423
>Can anyone recommend any super lightweight/minimal Distros or Frontends for Linux?

What the hell is a Linux frontend? If you're referring to an emulator frontend, that's going to add too much bloat. Just use standalone emulators.

Anyway, *buntu is a bloated piece of shit, as is most any mainstream distro at this point. You might want to try something Slackware-based, like Salix OS. I'd recommend Fluxbox or Openbox as your window manager. Don't even bother with a desktop environment, because that's going to add even more load.

>> No.3660453

>>3660442
greetings: hipster

>> No.3660468

>>3660442
I never said a Linux frontend, I said a Frontend for Linux. Like I said there was no sluggishness when navigating Ubuntus GUI, I could even open up websites with no problems but when I installed Lakka it became very unresponsive.

Ideally I'd like to navigate everything with a controller which is why I'd like a frontend. I'm installing Debian now and I'm going to install emulation station and see how that works.

>> No.3660510

Threadly reminder: input lag exists and sucks. If you don't notice it, it is because YOU don't notice it for any of a multitude of reasons...whether its because you've never played the real thing, it is responsive as muh call of doody, you have shitty reaction time....fucking list goes on and on

>> No.3660527
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>>3660510
I can beat Gaiares and other Genny action games as easily on emulator as I can on Nomad, or as I remember using a Genesis and CRT back in the day. If there's some lag there that doesn't happen to be getting in the way of my fun then it's not a problem for me.

No one is telling you that you have to play on emulators though.

>> No.3660556

>Input lag
This is a big and annoying meme i ever heard. Maybe it's you not okay?

>> No.3660718

>>3660527

An anecdote about how you like a game just as much on an emulator as a handheld is not evidence of no input lag. You're retarded. Post a video of you beating Mike Tyson's punch out on an emulator with LCD screen and I'll believe you. Posting a screenshot of a nomad isn't exactly proof of anything.

>> No.3660721

>>3660556

You're 14, you don't know shit about shit.

>> No.3660734

>>3660718
>An anecdote about how you like a game just as much on an emulator as a handheld is not evidence of no input lag.

Right. It's evidence that whatever input lag you are finding problematic isn't bothersome to me. If it bothers you, play on a CRT. Like I said, no one is telling you to play emulators.

>> No.3660758

>>3660734

Emulators are fine too you dumbass. It's the LCD display. If I want to try and find an LCD display which has an acceptable amount of lag for me, then I'm going to do it. Now fuck off you CRT shill.

>> No.3660763

>>3660758
>Now fuck off you CRT shill.

You sure you picked the right word there? I probably despise CRTs more than anyone else on this board.

>> No.3660785

>>3660763

Then why are you nit picking someone who wants to us an LCD instead of CRT? I have a few CRTS, they are OK. I grew up playing on CRTs but I don't feel any nostalgia towards them. I genuinely think that an upscaled console or emulator via an LCD display looks so much better than any crt.

Now, the issue is, having CRTs and console collections is a waste to me. I only want to play the games...I have a life, fuck getting weighed down by ancient hardware and devoting my time to antique electronics. Having a room full of games just dosent appeal to me...at all.

A laptop or tablet or desktop with all Roms and games on it is the tits. It's just this fucking input lag that's there which makes ninja garden, punch out and others nearly unplayable to me.

Having a laptop which could play everything is so comfy..and I know gaming laptops exist with low lag, so I want to use that for my retro gaming. But when it comes to which brand to use, which os, what settings, what controller, etc....Jesus.

>> No.3660820

>>3660785
>Then why are you nit picking someone who wants to us an LCD instead of CRT?

I'm not. I said I find it no harder to beat action games on an emulator as I do a Nomad or did a Genesis when I had one hooked up. Now I never use CRTs unless I feel like I have to. I'm this guy


>>3660375
>>3660429
>>3660450

I have one CRT I keep hooked up to a Saturn and I very much look forward to the day I can ditch it as well.

>> No.3660860
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3660860

>>3659663
Read this link first, it's a latency comparison for several cores, shaders and etc: filthypants.blo[a]spot.ru/2015/06/latency-testing.html (change [a] to "g", spam filter)

Another interesting link, but written by a total autist (Sweden at its finest): https://libretro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5428


If you want short summary of it all, I can only give advice about RetroArch, but it applies to other emulators too (to an extent).

First of all, the OS. Even LibRetro devs say the best possible choice for RetroArch is Linux+KMS. The worst of all is probably Windows 10, because Aero has been proven to introduce input lag. Windows 7 at least allows turning Aero off.

Second, obviously, turn off different graphics card enhancement/processing features. They can interfere with RetroArch or simply cause lag on their own. I don't think you need that powerful of graphics card to run emulators anyway.

Third, RetroArch settings. Here's some general advice, all of the settings below belong to the "Video" menu:
—Use hard GPU sync, set to 0 or 1. If for some reason this makes things worse, you can alternatively set "frame delay" to a highest possible value that doesn't affect performance. These settings can and do reduce lag significantly.
—Turn off triple buffering—set "Max swapchain images" option to 1 or 2.
—Try to avoid most shaders except for basic ones.

>> No.3660891 [DELETED] 

RIDDLE ME THIS, LAGFAGS

if wireless controllers and lcd tvs are inherently lag-city, how come modern video games which are always played on lcd tv's with wireless controllers dont got no lag? can't explain that can u :D

>> No.3660906

>>3660860

Thanks for that advice. Linux plus kms though? What is that?

Also, I hope in reading this page correctly:

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

As far as I can tell, there are multiple displays here with 9-15 ms of lag. That is EXACTLY what I am looking for in a display, but how trustworthy are these numbers? Is it possible that these LCDs have comparable lag to a crt which is 16.67 ms??

As far as the os goes, would Ubuntu cut it?

>> No.3660909

>>3660860
I'd imagine that's just because Aero has vsync forced.

and MAME is not a good example anyway, it has shitload of latency already.

>> No.3660916

>>3660891

Trolling much? Those things do have lag, but the games are made with that in mind. I can't play nes on most LCD displays, but when it comes to ps3 or somethibg then fuck it.

Also, why do you think vr headsets cause people to get sick? The lag does it. Your brain expects your vision to follow you're head position, but if it lags behind, it gives that fucked up pukey feeling.

>> No.3660924

>>3660820

Fuck CRTs though, right? LCDs look so much goddamn better. If only I could just have 30ms lag...that's all I'm asking.

>> No.3660943

>>3659995
This. Or get a PSP and do the same but get PS1 and PSP games instead.

>> No.3660961

Yeah, but softmodding a Wii makes it incapable of outputting a proper s video signal. You have to install a few custom cios and one of those just fucks it.

>> No.3660968

>>3660961
Which cios? I only installed the ones that let you run pirated wiiware off of the SD card. And I guess the ones needed for USB Loader. S-video still works fine.

>> No.3660974

>>3660906
As far as I can tell, KMS is one of the video drivers available for Linux. There are others, but from what I've seen KMS is considered the best by most people.

Sorry, I really wish I could give more advice, but I've never used Linux myself and I am not very savvy in LCDs. There was an LCD for retro thread just a few days ago though, you might want to read it: >>3643146

I used to know some things about LCDs, but they evolve like every year now. It was only few years ago that IPS used to be criticized for high response times, but I clicked that link you provided and it lists IPS panels as some of the fastest out there. So I guess you should better ask /v/ or /g/ or wherever else about gaming monitors (alas, I haven't had any experience with them), especially since /vr/ has a strong bias against LCD.

As for the display lag numbers accuracy, that's where I can't give any opinion. I don't have any experience or equipment to test it.

>> No.3660975

>>3660968

No idea which one. This has also happened to three of my Wiis so it's not just random bad luck.

>> No.3661002

>>3659401
Any recommendations for a budget tablet for emulation? No Nvidia Shield, obviously.

>> No.3661030

>>3660975
Well, you don't HAVE to install any cios to install the homebrew channel and emulators. What are you doing with yours?

>> No.3661031

>>3661002

Any tablet releases in the past two years will run equally as well. Android really only has emulators that work for everything up to and including ps1 and sort of Saturn. Psp also works.

>> No.3661035

>>3661030

I just followed so.e damned YouTube video to do it and now I wish I never

>> No.3661068

>>3661002
Now as >>3661031 said, most Android tablets will run most emulators just fine. Just to give a comparison: Raspberry Pi 2 had around the same performance as the bottom line budget Moto E dual core phone from 2014 made for absolute poorfags. So performance is no big issue here. I've heard there are also cheap x86 tablets nowadays, but I have had little experience with them.

I only suggest trying the screen before you buy it. Check for ghosting—just try scrolling the text and see if it remains readable or not. If you have some money, you could look into some AMOLED tablets: in theory, they should have lowest response times and deeper black shades. But Samsung hasn't been making them before around 2014 or so, and I haven't had a new tablet since then. That said, I've been anticipating them making something like it.

>> No.3661132

>>3660975
It's not random bad luck. You're doing the same wrong thing over and over.

>> No.3661145

>>3661132

I said that. Why aren't you able to read and comprehend?

>> No.3661428
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Does anyone know if using an old window XP laptop with emulators from the same era would have less lag than a new laptop and emulators that are up to date?

>> No.3661457

>>3659401
I regularly emulate SNES and PS1 games on my phone by plugging it into a monitor via MHL and using a bluetooth controller.
That's basically the laggiest situation possible and it's really not that bad. I had to really concentrate to notice any latency.

>> No.3661530

>>3661428
XP doesn't have Aero so it would have somewhat less lag than Win7/8/10 with Aero on (around 30ms by some tests).

But I don't see much point in getting older emus. For example, FBA still gets a separate XP binary for every update. You miss all the improvements made if you use old versions, which might as well be slower.

The rest is really the matter of processing power. Hard to say for sure.

>> No.3661583

>>3661530
>Aero
Possibly the stupidest thing MS has done in a long time.
Possibly the stupidest thing linuxfags have done in a long time

>> No.3661597

>>3661530
you can turn off aero in 7 easily.
doing it in 8 or later require third party programs

>> No.3661606

Would xp be best for a machine which only has 4 gigs of ram. I'm only aiming to emulate up to and including ps1

>> No.3661614

>>3661583
I'm really not sure how it matters when the emulator is running in fullscreen exclusive mode, which should have exclusive access to the GPU bypassing aero. It's only if you were running in a window or borderless fullscreen where the effects of aero would show.

>> No.3661681

>>3661530

Compositors/window managers in modern operating systems render ALL windows onto independent DirectX/OpenGL surfaces and combine the layers in software/hardware. By "turning off Aero", you just enable the shortcut of not having to deal with transparency, which can help reduce processing power wasted on blending layers and redrawing all clearly visible or blurred elements instead of opaque regions only. It doesn't change video driver or windows manager models back to old ones.

>> No.3661709

>>3661606
I'm not sure RAM is very important for emulators. In any case, you're probably going to be fine, maybe outside of few accurate but very demanding emulators.

>>3661597
Yep. But Win 10 relies on it for GUI, and you can't turn it off without breaking a lot of stuff.

>>3661614
Most tests show the same thing. I'm not a pro, but I guess you're right. Personally, I don't like playing in fullscreen exclusive mode, but if it means less lag then fuck it.

Actually, now I'm reading the tests made by Swedish autist, and I noticed he got results worse by 1 frame on Ubuntu with KMS than on Win 10. But he also mentioned it was an old version of his test. In a more recent version, he only tested RetroPie on Raspberry Pi.

>> No.3661721

>>3661681
I am no pro and what you say sounds logical. But when Win 8 came out, a lot of people in FBA community have mentioned they got lag and worse performance. People say playing in fullscreen exclusive can fix this, and also FBA has some option called "DWM fix" which allegedly tries to fix the lag.

And also, see the chart in >>3660860 . 30ms of added lag is no joke.

>> No.3661767

>>3661721
And video players have also suffered from that additional layer of indirection and loss of control over presentation, though that has been somehow sorted by video-specific optimizations in Windows. Well, don't use the GUI subsystem that was never optimized for such specialized tasks, use the direct control over full screen, like any game since the ancient times does.

>> No.3661778

>>3659616
>tfw shit reflexes

Feels bad man.

>> No.3661823

>>3659616
Go home, Daigo, you're drunk

>> No.3661864

>>3660426
Because the PS4 is just a shitty low-end PC.

We're comparing modern PCs to older consoles, the DS was pretty primitive in function when it came out.

>> No.3661894

>>3661614
>exclusive access to the GPU
So anything else running that needs access to any display functions implodes? kek. learn2anything before posting next time.

>> No.3661903

>>3659423
https://youtu.be/6RRSYktxv_Q?t=329

>> No.3661915

>>3661894
It's good enough for the sake of the thread, which is to play games with less lag. There's no point in going into deep details of how exactly the OS/GPU handles these things.

>> No.3661936

>>3661894
>>3661915
Look at those two lamers trying to look educated.

>> No.3661939

>>3661936
And the point of posting is to have someone correct you, which you're not doing. You're just being an ass, congrats?

>> No.3661970

>>3659430
Smaller screen so Mario doesn't have to move as far

>> No.3661985

>>3661457
same for me, that's probably becouse we aren't that old. i'm getting the impression people complain about memeput lag due to age. that said, i try to play on my laptop's display and not use shaders when i play something lag sensitive like super punch out, and i used some of the advices on configuring retroarch in this thread. i don't notice input lag, but still want to get every advantage becouse i take games rather seriously.

>> No.3661994

>>3661985
Memeput lag is a lot like not being able to imagine a new colour. It will never bother you until you actually experience instant reaction time. So I mean maybe it's better to never play the real thing then

LCDs aren't even the only problem, tho, emulators apparently introduce input lag due to the processing that goes on or whatever.

>> No.3662041

>>3661915
>exclusive access to the GPU
>There's no point in going into deep details of how exactly the OS/GPU handles these things
Top kek kid.

>>3661936
That'd be you an above kiddo.

>> No.3662047

>>3662041
I see you're not going to actually contribute to the thread in any way.

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>>3659401
>>3661002
>>3661428
just get an HQ Compaq 6000 pro. They're cheap as fuck to get and they're literally everywhere. Has RGB output for CRTs if you want and can run every emulator up to dreamcast with no problems.

>> No.3662267

>>3662047
>I see you sussed out I'm a kid so I'll shitpost to try to deflect.
It didn't work kiddo.

>> No.3662282

>>3662267
oh look its this guy again.
im happy you got a rouse over whatever pointless thing you were posting on /vr/. i look forward to further talks with awesome people like you.

>> No.3662332

>>3662117

Is that 15 khz RGB?

>> No.3662339

can biliniear filtering add lag? i know shaders do, but i can't stand pixels on an lcd, so i'd like to at least blur them.

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>>3662339
>i can't stand pixels on an lcd

>> No.3662353

>>3662345
everybody loves pixel art, but not me, maybe it's just too bright and sharp. of course filters are better than biliniear, but mah input lag. besides using shaders makes me feel lke A E S T H E T I C F A G.

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You know the key to why Retropie for instance is faster than an emu on Raspbian is in that Retropie isn't running X Windows.
See, if you let Raspbian start in CLI, you can skip startx and just run programs at double the efficiency.
That's the thing, the GUI is the resource hog.
BUT, another semi-secret of the Rpi is that the config.txt file lets you set the overclock, the CPU frequency. The Rpi3 model B has around 1.2 Ghz. BUT it is set to 700 or 800mhz. Step that up to 1000, to get more power out of it. Helps with HTML5 under Raspbian xwindows as well, and general Raspbian performance.

>> No.3662624

Which is the best way to play n64 and sega as far as controllers go? I want to buy a USB n64 controllers but the reviews on all of them kinda suck. Same with the sega controllers. Which do you use to play?

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Is there a way to fix the input lag for super Mario world on retro pie? I do not own a PC and just have a raspberry + retro. My autism flares up massively every time I jump.

>> No.3662646

>>3662627
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=retropie+input+lag+fix
https://www.reddit.com/r/RetroPie/comments/3wmyhw/raspberry_pi_2_emulation_station_input_lag/

>> No.3662663

>>3662646
I can do this without a PC and straight from retro pie?

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All I'm getting is major input lag and many of the games getting horrible slow down. Retro pie was a mistake.

>> No.3662895

>>3662742
>>3662627
I've always felt this way about retroarch and pie setups in general. just get hyperspin or some shit on your pc and run separate emulators. it's not even hard to hook a PC up to your TV.

>> No.3662912

>>3662339
Test it, if you cant tell what does it matter.

>> No.3662918

>>3662339
Use integer scale. A for bilinear, it shouldn't do that in theory

>> No.3662936

Is 47 inch too big to play emulators? I got this retro pie and everything is so laggy. Especially mode 7 games. Is there an adapter so I can play on crt?

>> No.3662938

>>3662912
desu can't tell even when using the worst possible setup. my reaction is like 300, maybe it's becouse of that, but i'm not bad at games, most console games are easy for me, guess reaction time is overrated.

>> No.3663286

>>3659401
get a mini atx build going and install LAKKA.

>> No.3663301
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3663301

check this out op:
it will let you download retrogaemz right off of archive and play them in retroarch (which you can configure pretty easily for low-latency)


http://romjacket.mudlord.info/SKELETONKEY

>> No.3663315

>>3663301


well fuckkkk that looks useful

>> No.3664643

I just bought pic related.

What am I in for?

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>>3664643

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>>3664643
>>3664656
shit

>> No.3664685

>>3664665
8bitdo controllers are god-tier, except for pro versions which are pretty shit for some reason, probably becouse marketed to plebs.
this small one can't be connected through usb though, it's bluetooth only and you can't update firmware. it's cheaper, but i'd rather get nes30/snes30.

>> No.3664689

>>3664685
It's gonna be okay.
Why would I need to update fw?

I really wanted something reeeeally small to fit in my pocket. So I went with this one.

>> No.3664697

>>3661864
yep, pretty much a game is an "operating system" in a very literal sense for these systems. The games allow for interrupts from the users hardware and the only way to add any sort of lag to this interrupt style of input is to add on processing to these interrupts which is just a waste. The PS4 in theory could still have less input lag because it's not dealing with as much overhead as windows is, but so many things in a PC environment add on to this load.

Not to mention USB fucking sucks considering it works on a listen principle that polls the device many times as opposed to allowing the device to interrupt.

>> No.3664731

>>3664689
>Why would I need to update fw?
so it would work with the newest version of android 10 years later, won't surprise me if it will even without firmware upgrade, so yeah it's not that useful.
>It's gonna be okay.
probably. i almost got this one too, but i needed something with USB support so went with FC30.

>> No.3666946

What's a good alternative to Project64?

>harasses for donation, have to wait 1min when you launch it
>fucks up when switching to other programs
>frequent crashes

>> No.3666971
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>>3659407
I collect and play on old systems because muh nostalgia and I don't really have any other excuse for it. Emulators are perfectly fine if you just want to play the games and I play on them once in a while too.

>> No.3666978

>>3666946
The cores in RetroArch I guess

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>>3666971
/vr/, you don't sound like yourself today. Is everything alright?

>> No.3667137

>>3663301
holy shit.
is this for real?
why isn't this on the retro arch website?

>> No.3667143

>>3667137
>why
it exploits archive.org
libretro devs won't go near piracy

>> No.3667165

>>3667143
"We TOTALLY made this emulator for LEGAL backups, guys!"

Fucking white knights.

>> No.3667410

>>3659401
the only winning move is not to play

>> No.3667418

Hey guys.

I'm trying the reicast core on retroarch, but every game I test boots to a white screen or, if I'm lucky, I get into the menu to freeze as soon as I select any option.

I've configured it wrong, but the core itself is a bit crappy? Is there any better emulator for DC?

>> No.3667425

>>3667418

NullDC is decent for PC

>> No.3667435

>>3667418
are you on windows? there's an older build which works well for me:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx8fpeCSimQ2bGNrMnY4SUtvN0k

>> No.3667541

>>3667418
Reicast is a joke. Use Demul or failing that NullDC.

>> No.3667572

>>3666946
>harasses for donation
never had this problem

>> No.3667923

>>3667165
>white knights
Anon might just be retarded

>> No.3667951

>>3662627
-no wireless controllers
-CRT output or very low resolution

>> No.3667968

>>3659620

(^;

>> No.3667983

Is RetroArch available for linux? If so, how does it compare to the windows version?

Which operating system is the 'best' for emulation? Ex input lag, quality of emulators available, etc...

>> No.3668003

When you set your Wii to 480p, and you play SNES games via Virtual Console, are the SNES games being output at 480p?

>> No.3668021

>>3667983
>Is RetroArch available for linux?
Yes. See >>3660860 . Except I'm not sure Linux+KMS is the best anymore, but still good.

>> No.3668054

>>3668003

Snes games are originally 240p, so when they are running on a 480p-output Wii, the Wii will perform a 2x scale and output the game at 480p.

If you have your Wii hooked up to a crt VGA monitor then it is possible to play snes games in 480p. If your Wii is hooked up to an HD TV which is 720 or 1080p, the 480p signal output by the Wii will be upscaled by the TV to fit the TVs resolution.

>> No.3668125

>>3668054
cool, so Wii is like SNES + OSCC in a way

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>have every game game cube and older at my disposal
>try to find a game to play
>play one after the other for 2-3 minutes
>get bored and realize I'm not in the mood
>go back to overwatch
>get sick of it after losing in completion 3x in a row
>spend the rest of my day on 4chan

>> No.3668421

>>3667425
But is there any way to plug nullDC into retroarch? My intention is to create a portable all-in-one emulator.

>>3667435
Yup, Windows. Thank you! Is there any wiki to check on compatibility? I only want to play Code Veronica, Soul Calibur and Shenmue, I don't think they're titles THAT obscure.

>>3667541
Can you plug Demul into retroarch also?

>> No.3668435

>>3667572
I downloaded the latest version. After a couple uses, there is a messsage popping up at startup. You can't continue unless you wait at least a minute or more, or unless you donate.

You can imagine how pissed off I get when the program crashes and I have to wait one more minute because of this.

>> No.3669174

I've been away from the emulation scene for quite a while but has anyone succeeded in emulating the PS4 firmware yet?

A lot of money-grabbing sites are out there ready to charge whoever thingummybob wants to play free games but none of these offers seem credible.

So where are we with this?

>> No.3669562

>>3659401
guys i have a question , i have a raspberry pi3 with retropie on it , and a composite RCA-AV cable , it works great on a LCD tv with HDMI but it flickers like hell using the RCA cable on an old CRT TV , how do i fix it? I tried changing pins just in case , but nothing works .

What do?

>> No.3669790

>>3660018
>Your toys are obsolete.
>>/vr/
>lol

>> No.3669823

>>3659401
depends
what do you want to emulate?

>> No.3669841

I can't get Perfect Dark to run properly on Project64? Any suggestions on what to do?

>> No.3671019

>>3669841
turn the brightness up

>> No.3671041

>>3659401
>How can one achieve as little input lag as possible through emulation and the us of LCDs?

By completely avoiding LCDs and using CRTs instead.

>> No.3671289

>>3671041

Crock of shit

>> No.3671352

>>3660018
Hahaha
Haha
What an assburger

>> No.3671365

>>3671289
it's true, if you say otherwise you don't understand the electronics

saying you don't care is one thing, saying it isn't real is just misinformed

>> No.3671421

>>3671365

I'm saying there is no appreciable difference with the right setting, autismo

>> No.3671429

>>3671041

How can one achieve as little input lag as possible with emulation AND an LCD was the question.

You answered....use a CRT

Wrong because retarded

>> No.3671450

>>3671421
it's still true that if you want to eliminate it completely there's a very simple solution

you need a decent LCD anyway if you want there to be "no appreciable difference", and if you don't play modern games a CRT is probably a better solution than going out and buying a 1ms monitor to play fucking mario

>> No.3671465

>>3671450

I do play modern games and an LCD is perfect for muh Mario's. I like the look of games emulated on an LCD better than all other options.

-I don't enjoy scanlines

-CRTs always have some level of noisy operation

- Analog signals are prone to noise and not all CRTs have component(most don't)

- CRT has warped geometry

- Real console hardware is prone to issues due to aging

- A laptop is a much beater solution than 30 yo consoles, a bookshelf full of games and a CRT that is larger than life