/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3636089
>What the fuck happened
tim "the most boring game director to ever walk the earth" willits happened

>>3636096

I got the steam versions, then used fan patches to restore music and uses darkplaces engine.

Quake II was the beginning of the end for id. It was the game that started to blend them in with the rest of the gaming industry.
Fmv, gibbing less satisfactory, shitty metal soundtrack... to name a few things. Willits was the death nail of many things id but as a pure mapper he was very solid. Romero, despite being a bitchy diva, removed a lot of flavor from id's products.

p.s.: The Edge in multiplayer makes Quake II still worth it.

>>3636227
>shitty metal soundtrack
bad bait

>>3636089
Why is Quake 2 so widely praised? Is it purely because of the multiplayer? I never played Quake 1 or 2 back in its heyday but playing them now Quake 1 seems so obviously superior to me. Shame about those shitty boss battles though.

>>3636259
I can't imagine that.
Quake 1 multiplayer continued long after Quake 2 was dead.

>>3636259
>Why is Quake 2 so widely praised?

It's not. Quake 1 and 3 have always been more praised than 2.

Every level in quake 2 feels the same. Generic industrial/warehouse setting.

>>3636102
wind tunnels is p sweet pham

Quake 2 was a technological revolution at the time. Being able to play against your friends in glorious 3D acceleration out of the box was a huge selling point back then.

Now that every damn game is 3D accelerated, it's main selling point is long since obsolete and all you have left is the gameplay, which doesn't hold up to the first two Dooms and the first Quake.

>>3636465
He's a very good level designer but as a game designer he's about as dull as a brick.

>>3636325
The palace was kinda nice though. The closest you got to a level that feels like quake 1.

>>3636473
I agree - I think Brian Hook streamlined id's OpenGL endeavors.
The switching between software and OpenGL renderer was an awe moment when somebody had put in a, at the time, novel 3D accelerator. I remember running QuakeII on a PMMX 233 with a Voodoo2 and I was simply blown away because of it playing insanely smooth.

Haha pleb

>>3636089
It was a totally different game that they slapped the Quake title onto at the last minute.

>>3636089
As a kid i remember being so disappointed that quake1 didn't have much of a story, or actual music, or boss battles. Then Quake2 came out and delivered everything i ever asked for in the least satisfying ways possible.

It's not a terrible game, It just felt like almost everything game-wise erred on the safe side. I feel like it set a trend for id that went all the way up to the latest Wolfenstien game. The technology would push ahead while the game stayed a step behind the present.

Quake 1 was strange. On one hand, the ability to look around 360deg in all directions was a first, and that was kind of cool. The dynamic lighting was basic but also interesting, and of course the multiplayer over the internet was amazing.

However, the design of the game with the entire color palette consisting of different shades of brown, green and gray was a total let down, as was the polygonal, boxy characters and blurry textures. I remember thinking how much better Doom looked, and Quake was supposedly next gen. Quake 2 was much better.. it's like someone told them they needed to add some colors and they did.

>>3636096

What mod make my guns look like this?

>>3636089
>Quake
typical 90's nerd-stuff put into a shooter game. if you played it late, it feels more original because it's a theme not done anymore

>Quake 2
didn't have that many space sci-fi shooters before, especially not in 3D. if you played it late, you probably have seen other space shooters before this one so the concept feels more stale

>>3636089

The level designs were actually somewhat innovative at the time, it's the same style that Half-Life later did way better. It's basically an early CoD style campaign.

Since Quake 1 still followed classic Doom style map design, it ironically aged better since that style has been out of favor since quite soon after Quake 1's release.

>>3636259
Partnership with 3D FX. Quake 2 was basically the reason to buy videocard.

There is conversion mod for Q1 called Malice, it's like Q2 done right. Actually I like it mode than vanilla Q1 too.

>>3638194
Does that even run in source ports? Last I remember it was broken in everything.

>>3636517
ya this

some of the best maps in quake 1 are his, but as a director he's captain boring

>>3638194
>it's like Q2 done right.
that's actually the start of the scourge expansion - the tech levels. feels kind of like a halfway ground between quake and quake 2.

>>3638019
That webm is trying way too hard to make it look like there's more going on than there actually is.

Quake 2 is a boring singleplayer game, but the mod scene at the time was incredible. QuakeC was a very limited language with a lot of shortcomings to how you could use it in the engine. For the sequel, id let modders use C, and everyone just went absolutely nuts with it.

Not only did you have really polished versions of original quake mods like Airquake 2, Rocket Arena 2 (ROCKET FUCKING ARENA 2!!!) and Threewave CTF, but you had a shitload of brand new stuff. Action Quake 2 was fucking amazing. ChaosDM just added ridiculous amounts of stuff to the mix. Jailbreak and Qpong and Weapons Factory and Freeze Tag and all the CTF variants -- it felt like we were getting new mods by the week.

On top of that there was a SHITLOAD of mappers, with some amazingly talented designers who were throwing out gorgeous and great playing levels as fast as you could play them. The work to make maps wasn't insane back then so you could have really prolific mappers put out dozens of levels. Of course there was also people uploading tons of character models and skins for you to use too.

If you were to judge Quake 2 by what came in the box, its pretty mediocre. Of course it doesn't hold up. But you have to understand, it had one of the greatest modding scenes and multiplayer communities of all time. Thats why oldfags like me have such fond memories of the game. I feel a little sad when I think about how its impossible for people to go back and experience Quake 2 like we all actually played it, and instead they're just stuck with this shitty orange and brown corridor slog. That wasn't my memory of the game -- I was waiting for my modem to finish dialing so I could play another goddamn round of Rocket Arena 2.

>>3639453
No one cares.

>>3639398
how's that

>>3639543
Tons of pointless jumping and crouching to hide the fact that hardly anything is really going on. Whoever made it desperately tried to make it look as frantic as Blood.

>>3639548
and which jump or crouch was pointless in that webm

>>3639558
All of them.

>>3639548
Lol q2 was very popular n critically acclaimed. Sp is lacking, i admit, but as said above the mod scene was huge, the playerbase was huge and the game took real skill.

Nesfag n co never played, never experienced the true game. Q2dm1? The edge. .. Dm2 tokays towers etc... The rail gun.

>>3639559
>jump to get armor off crate
>crouch to blast the gunner away
>jumps over crushers
>crouch to get the enforcer from under the crusher
>another jump over a crusher
>crouch to blast the berserker away

>>3639480
Oldfags care. Those were exciting times.

>>3639565
>jump to get armor off crate

Didn't need it.

>crouch to blast the gunner away

Unnecessary, just trying to show off.

>jumps over crushers

Unnecessary, just trying to show off.

>crouch to get the enforcer from under the crusher

Unnecessary, just trying to show off.


>another jump over a crusher

Unnecessary, just trying to show off.

>crouch to blast the berserker away

Unnecessary, just trying to show off.

>>3636089
Never gave two shits about the single-player of Quake 2.

But i've got a Retropie set up with 4 ps3 controllers to play Quake 2 Multiplayer and it's great as fuck. Lot's of fun.

>>3639570
your reply is unnecessary and just trying to show off

>>3639587
Wow soooo original.

NOT!

>>3639480
Yes we do.

>>3639570
fug, you're right

though it's more fun to actually shoot enemies and grab items

>>3639647
You can shoot enemies without jumping and crouching all over the place trying to pretend it's Max Payne.

>>3639686
isn't your whole point about "being necessary"?
shooting enemies isn't.

enjoy the perfect play-though made specially for you, right there.

>>3639698
Don't twist my words around like a hot dick on a summer night you fucking faggot.

>>3639701
>because caring what other men do with their own videogame toys isn't a faggot display at all

>>3637981
>the ability to look around 360deg in all directions was a first
Descent did it first. Quake's innovation was allowing it with arbitrary polygons instead of just distorted cubes.

>>3639647

>Deliberately hitting the alarm button to prove a point.

wew

>>3637931
>actual music
Quake 1's ambient industrial was brilliant, and arguably Reznor's finest work since Pretty Hate Machine.

Quake 2's nu-metal sucked.

>>3639701
What does your analogy even mean?

>>3641234
I don't know, but it sounds fun.

>>3639698
>pulling a strawman

every fucking time

>>3641224
>Quake 2's nu-metal
Oh, come on. It's too... musical to be considered nu-metal even if you don't like it. There's actual melody in there.

>>3641978
>There's actual melody in there.
actual nu metal like limp bizkit has more melody than the q2 soundtrack. its mostly chugging.

>>3641224
that's the point i was trying to make. my 13 year old brain had stupid wants and when they were delivered with quake 2 i realized how wrong I was.

>>3641978
yeah, it wasnt nu-metal but it was that one-size-fits-all kind of metal. A generic, inoffensive illusion of toughness. Like a barbed wire tattoo on a white guy.

Quake 2 was THE generic space marine shooter.

Thing is, Quake was the original generic brown shooter. At least the setting was interesting and it was a technical marvel.

>>3636271
proof that Quake fans are retarded as Q2 is clearly superior

>>3641224
it was industrial metal you dumb fucking pleb

>>3639453
Oh, those were the days. Millennials and people born now/in the future will never experience the birth of competitive gaming, we witnessed something very special. Quake 1 was good, but Quake 2 gave birth for many game types we play today.

>Blizzard reintroduces CTF(overwatch) with gay-ized features and people go wild. JUST END US!
>You can actually buy victory poses and clothes there.
>Everything is SFX'd to shit.

ID should sue those motherfuckers and end that blasphemy. However.. that would probably end with some lawyer talk and cash transactions.

>>3645912
Millenials are the one who grew up with games like Quake.

>>3639398
his other webms are even gayer and more tryhard than that one