/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3562139
>for all the banana smugglers out there.
rude.

>>3562139
Seriously, though, bananas? I get Nintendo wouldn't want to mention opium but bananas?

They could've retooled it into smuggling something like explosives or weapons.

>>3562149
it's an adult joke that kids won't get

>>3562151
I'm almost 30 and I don't get it either

>>3562096

Speaking of... I T ' S T I M E

>>3562149
Bananas are too delicious for their own good Anon, and considering you can get bazookas and all kinds of weapons of mass destruction in town shops for three fiddies, smuggling weapons doesn't really seem all that serious.

Look at all dem fucking bananas instead, potassium overdose is the cancer that killed the Giant World.

I'm still surprised they kept the porn mags in Frontier, then again, that wasn't on a Nintendo platform.
>>3562182
Good, now go teach Bokuohn the meaning of pain.

>want to do cool commander things
>everyone wants money i don't have
>if i tax the people they get mad, despite the alternative being losing every battle ever
>turns out the first two battles were super important and i shoulda perfected them
>your troops are hilariously underpowered
>training wasn't even training, you can fail at training and i totally did
>the best tactic is blowing your team up
>my sister is useless
>i just wanna go adventuring while my imposter handles everything

being a leader is hard

Man, forging in Unlimited is such a pain in the ass, especially on your first file.

And I also have to pump up Sapphire's spell list, can't blend a damn thing right now, if only Grace or Kong Ming got that panel, I could make good use of that Thunderbringer I taught Grace.
>>3562331
But gee Mikhail, how come Nora lets you have TWO items?

>>3562163
A banana smuggler is a euphemism for a transvestite.

I heard that "Unlimited Saga basically plays like a mobage" Is that true?

>>3562989
whats a mobage?

>>3563027
Some sort of phone game, I'm not really sure. It was compared to granblue fantasy, specifically.

>>3563046
Well i've played neither. Unlimited plays more like classic western rpgs, imo. Its battle system is a fun take on the usual SaGa style

>>3563046
Honestly I'd say it's more the other way around - modern mobile games in the Granblue style derive a lot of mechanics from classic JRPGs, just monetized with extra transaction mechanics.

>>3561801
>This is not true in the slightest, Harid is arguably much more well rounded than Katarina except for his DEX and Thomas is statistically the strongest mage in the game bar none
I disagree, yes harid can get more strength but kat's does not "blow", if you make her a fighter/spear user, she gets type 10, and stat wise still ends up giving her 20 strength and 24 speed as well as 17 dex and 17 con, making her super well rounded. While you can argue this vs harid for sure, shes still ultimately better than every other protag in the game physically speaking, and its not much of an argument.

Like why bother with julian for example when katrina has either the same stats or higher stats than him in every category except int, and still uses swords really well, as well as spears/epees and big swords? The only thing julian has on her is his faster skill ups, which plateaus after awhile anyway, so its irrelevant.

I agree that she is a shitty magic user but that making or breaking the character would only depend on you wanting to use magic for your protag as opposed to just using someone else for it.

>>3563395
I don't understand why you think they should be equal in the first place, are you some sort of SJW special snowflake faggot? Do you demand equity in social interactions? Do you go out to a job interview expecting that the world is a fair place?

>>3563409
>SJW special snowflake
why'd you have to go there?

Anyway, I don't care if they are equal, but in a game where the protag choice is basically irrelevant it boils down to stats, and its not so much about the inequality of the characters so much as it is about how everyone in the game blows ass compared to harid and kat.

Oh man julian is so appealing with his 16-17 in everything and absolutely dog shit stats, including his great ability to get charmed 100% of the time with his almost single digit charisma.

Or ellen being great with her ok strength and garbage everything else

meanwhile harid and kat have good everything basically making it so there is no real reason to play anyone else outside of town music or liking their sprites more on the field

>>3563409
ahh it wouldn't be a SaGa general without autism and projection

>>3563425
Autism is a choice. A person has the freedom to decide whether the constructs of their mind control their perception of reality. Some imagined disparity of how things "should be" compared to how they are doesn't need to stress a person out this much.

So what if Julian is naive and unexceptional, isn't that his character? That he tries hard and makes up for it with effort to do the same things that a genius can do more easily?

What's wrong with Ellen only being good for wrastling sea monsters and chucking axes? That's a perfectly decent way to live.

What is the difference in value between a life cut short and one that lives to an old age? Does a life of suffering and inferiority not have value? can it's value be measured as less or more? Is it only how much use we can be to the world, how much use it can be us, that determines how worthy we are of living in it, of it having a place in our lives?

If you despise injustice and tyranny why sit here complaining about videogames being unfair? Why not simply strike back at god with a chainsaw?

Lynch the 1%, Hitler did nothing wrong, if all life is sacred, then bring justice down upon those like the Jews who would forsake the lives of those who are not the "chosen"

Even if Hitler only killed Jews who committed crimes against the rest of humanity, would he not have killed the same number?!

>>3562149
I liked it for being kind of outlandish.

>suddenly we are reduced to this level of shit posting

I was just thinking the other day how nice these threads have been, oh well.

>>3563447
>A person has the freedom to decide whether the constructs of their mind control their perception of reality
I'd like to introduce you to a couple of schizophrenics.

Finally finished SaGa Frontier after 90 hours. What a wacky ride.

>>3563715
all characters?
who was your favorite?

>>3563718
Yeah. Probably Asellus or Red. T260 was also pretty fun to play as.

>>3563691
I've known a few. They're pretty frustrating people. They can have full and coherent revelations and seem to come to a rational acceptance and transcendence of their problems or the trauma or paranoia, then snap right back to the way they were before a week later.

It's like trying to ween a heroin addict or something.

>>3562989
>Is that true?
Nope
>>3563046
>It was compared to granblue fantasy, specifically.
Definitely not

Which MMO has the best SaGa feel?

>>3562989
Now that's a new one.
Maybe you've misheard and heard about either Imperial or Scarlet Grace, the former is a web browser game so it's basically a mobage, and the latter got called like that because people are morons, though the actual mobage is Emperors SaGa.
But no, Unlimited is far from it, though it did use some design element which got overly simplified in many mobage, like the map progression, other than that it is way more reminiscent of old CRPGs than anything.
>>3563395
I still don't get why you're arguing about minmaxing and who's statistically better than who, who cares about your MC type when there's the mastering system? Who cares about statistical advantage when the fun is going beyond that? And why should people bother with statistically superior characters if they don't like them?
Look at all the popular characters of each game, RomaSaGa 2 has fucking Bear as an almost living meme when he's one of the shittiest characters and he's much more popular than the other meme character, Hannibal, who's statistically superior, same about other games, people don't care about characters having inferior stats, if anything they make gags about it, like that short manga about Aisha bullying and blackmailing Neidhart.
And why the hell should some villagers, a sheltered princess and a duke have the same stats as a bodyguard and a legendary wandering mercenary, also considering both of which are older than them? This isn't Final Fantasy.
Just have fun man, minmaxing can be fun and all, but this is borderline autism, do you think I cared when I gave Anzam a Slime Phobia panel yesterday for boosting his Earth stat? I could have waited for a high level Fortuneteller but who cares? And the Phobia panel even makes more sense considering the character.
>>3563715
Nice, did you beat the developer's room as well?
What do you think of the game now that you've seen every story?

>>3563812
Granted that I don't play many MMOs, Granado Espada has Tomomi's designs, so characters are vaguely SaGaish, can't tell you anything about gameplay except that it's Korean, so good luck with that.

PSO2 had a short fanmade video of characters sparking new Photon Arts among other things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCA18VYITZs
And PSO2 does allow you to make some SaGaish characters thanks to its race system, you have Humans, Newmans which are your Esper stand in, Casts if you want robots and Mountain Dewmen if you want to be edgy, but the only real difference is basically cosmetic, as the stat difference between races isn't really that relevant, I've seen great FO/Casts players.
It has the best character creator that has ever graced this world though, and this is a huge plus for some people, me included.

But I don't think there's anything really like SaGa when it comes to MMOs.

>>3563836
>Granado Espada
Good game, bogged down with insufferable pay to win mechanics and an awful population (like all MMORPGS)

When it was still fresh it was fun to play, even though it was awfully grindy it had a huge amount of variety in your tactics and overall strategy, since you would have a "Family" of adventurers (like 9 or so if you wanted) who would be pioneering in some sort of monster infested sorcery version of the new world as seen by koreans who know nothing about the new world as it was, and you'd pick 3 jobs to fill out a team of characters to actually control, and it was a lot like playing a sort of Ragnarok or Diablo type game with an added layer of complexity. It had some pretty good trance music and a good pace to the waves of deadly monsters that would come at you, and the quests were strange enough to be intriguing. The highlight for me was delving into uncharted territory, trying to hold ground against rivers of beasties, getting huge gains when you had a good enough set up to hunt above your level range, holding a pretty decent tension. The other highlight was the cluster-fuck PvP system which had two people micromanaging 3 characters at once in duels, and basically everything you would expect from a normal MMO only TIMES THREE. Which was good when it was good and oh god make it stop I'm having a seizure when it was bad.

>>3563690
You have a problem with satire friend?

>>3563815

>like that short manga about Aisha bullying and blackmailing Neidhart.

I need this.

>>3564045
It's a small manga on Pixiv, it's a parody of Aisha's quest, what's funny is that Neidhart uses is Minstrel Song design while Aisha uses her SFC design, it's also implied that it's based on the SFC version as Aisha uses the Iron Sword's Kamaitachi and the monsters are from the SFC version too.

Chapter one:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=49007495

Chapter Two:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=49048341

Chapter Three:
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=49134308

>>3563836
>It has the best character creator that has ever graced this world though,
When I reviewed games, I had an undisclosed list of "gold standards" which I personally experienced and considered a 10/10. To get a 10/10, you had to meet or exceed the current gold standard.

PSO2's character creator has been my gold standard of chargens since it came out and has not been dethroned. Another on the list was DmC's PC version which I considered to be a gold standard of controller/keyboard integration. Why? Because it seamlessly and instantly changes all button/key prompts based on the last one you touched. Can't do mice with 4+ buttons or numbered PC controllers? Points lost mother fucker.

>>3564102
>PSO2's character creator has been my gold standard of chargens since it came out and has not been dethroned
I know right?
That thing is seriously amazing, I've seen many games that tried to compete with it like Freedom Wars but nothing, absolutely nothing gets even close to the sheer volume of options and depth of that thing, even PS NOVA's "simplified" CC is way ahead of everything else, it is an absolute masterpiece of design.

A shame they're not using it as a standard for games with CC, PSO2 was leagues ahead of every other CC when it came out and it still is now, it is safe to say that it was a major factor of PSO2's success.

>>3564570
Phantasy Star Online has always been ahead of the curve for one major reason: Simplicity. You could legibly fit a class strategy on a playing card. Meanwhile in WOWshit you need to hotkey 20-30 abilities for regular fights.

At that point you're playing DDR

>>3564584
>Phantasy Star Online has always been ahead of the curve for one major reason: Simplicity
I'd say the difference is more that PSO focuses on passive skills more than active ones, and it's still an action game at its core, whereas WoW-likes are glorified real time turn based games, even in PSO2 there's only so many active skills you can use and you also can't have many of them actives at the same time unlike other MMO, attacks have actual hitboxes and there's no Hit or Miss factor included, if it's in range you will hit that.
>At that point you're playing DDR
Pretty much that, even more so in games like FFXIV since you have to go through fixed pattern phase shifts on bosses, that shit even let you see the enemy's AoE before attacking, what's even the point of such a thing? most special attacks can be evaded by getting out of the way, then there's full field AoE and if you telegraph even that what's the fucking point of playing at all since I know what to prepare beforehand and hard counter everything?

Anyway, it's neither retro nor SaGa related so I'll stop bitching right here.

>>3563815
>Nice, did you beat the developer's room as well?
I messed around in there a bit but didn't finish it. Gonna come back to it a little later.
>What do you think of the game now that you've seen every story?
I love it. I wish the world and character stories were a little more fleshed out, but I like that kind of throws you into the world and expects you to figure it out on your own. I thought having to build up the same characters over and over again would get boring, but it ended up being my favorite part of the game. Kind of became a challenge to see how fast I could get my party built up to where I wanted it.

Man, I'm really enjoying RS2. I feel like I've "broken into it." Though I haven't tried any of the heroes other than Bokhohn yet, but I'm starting to get a rhythm for it. My only real problem is that it gets a little tiring having to fully remake my party every generation shift, including digging through storage for equipment. Still, other than that, this is probably the most fun I've had with a SaGa title.

So I guess this would be the place to start.

Pic related was one of my favorite game boy games back in the day and I've enjoyed playing through it dozens of times, but only recently bothered to look up anything about it.
It's apparently not really a Final Fantasy game, which makes sense, but actually a SaGa game?

Are the others anything like it? Worth getting into if I enjoyed this one?

>>3565354

http://pastebin.com/kRbSg6PG

This is a pretty good read on the series as a whole. FFL3 is actually the black sheep of the series, and has less in common with the rest of the games than any other game in it.

Long story short, look into this game if you like:
>ruthless difficulty
>huge variety
>very low focus on story
>unconventional character progression
>unusual mechanics
>very open world

>>3565417

Look into these games* rather.

>>3565417
>>very low focus on story
clearly you've never played SF2

>>3565470

That's the exception to the rule, don't you think?

>>3565482
Hardly. Perhaps if you think "story" is a series of expository text boxes and dialogue scenes rather than narrative motivations for the events as they play out on screen, including those events in the structure of the telling.

>>3565490

Listen, when people think of "story" in a JRPG what they immediately think of is FF: long cutscenes, shitloads of melodrama, a linear "walk from cutscene to cutscene" mode with a small bit of exploration peppered in. If you take a "story-focused" game like Kiseki and compare it to literally any SaGa title, c'mon dude. I'm not saying they don't have a story or that what's there isn't good, I'm saying that you have to go looking for it whereas other JRPGs like to shove it in your face.

>>3565513
Just because the majority is wrong doesn't mean I have to acknowledge them.

>>3565513
I think you're confusing shitty design with lack of presence.You don't have to go looking for it, it's all there to see, it's just not explicitly sounded out like the way you have to read a picture book to an autistic child and tell him what's happening on each page.

>>3565354
You might want to try the DS remake and see how differently it plays with some actual SaGa mechanics.

>>3564759
>I thought having to build up the same characters over and over again would get boring, but it ended up being my favorite part of the game.
That's the sign of a SaGa man if I ever saw one!
Isn't it fun to see how much you can do with the characters and the system?
>>3565328
That's great Anon, it can be a bit tiring having to recreate your party from scratch every time but I think it's also a part of the charm of RomaSaGa 2, the fact that you have to focus on both long and short term character building so much is great, and the fact that the game doesn't send you to a gameover screen for most party wipes and still punishes you consistently, unless you know how to exploit it, is something unusual for the time.
And I just can't help to love the characters and setting, all the sprites are so charming, and it's the only game that has three poses instead of two.
>>3565354
>Are the others anything like it
Not quite, SaGa 3 was the black sheep of the series until the DS remake came along and made it play like an actual SaGa game, I'd suggest you to play the second one or Frontier and see if they click with you, because while they do have some similarities with GB SaGa 3 they also have a very different system, playing the DS remake is also a good idea since you're more or less familiar with the game but be advised that the game system is 90% different from the original.
>>3565561
>>3565586
He might have explained himself a bit awkwardly but he's right, SaGa isn't as story "focused" as other RPGs, even Frontier 2 is pretty dry when it comes to narrative. It's not like there's no story, it's just that the narrative style is not the usual walls of exposition/cutscenes straight to your face.

It's pretty apt that he chose the Kiseki games, I agree they're the radical opposite of SaGa, even back to most early LoH games you'd have to wade through text and cutscenes for every little thing, compare it to Frontier 2 and it's a staggering difference in style.

>Doing the third Mural quest
>Well alright, I've fought enough
>I even got two magic tablets from a mimic and mural monsters
>time to go to the boss
>Aquans gangbang around the corner
>Low on LP
>no bows

I think I'm gonna give up on bows in rs2. It's getting to the point where I'm running out of ways to put off fighting the seven heroes, and encounters are becoming more about one big enemy than a bunch of small ones to aoe down. Not only that, but my bowmen never spark shit and still miss frequently, even with around 20 proficiency. They miss more than my axe user, even! Am I fucking up somehow? I'm using the guys you get for killing the termites and saving the Savannah.

Gonna play the Saga 2 and Saga 3 remakes for DS. What's the best party setup? I know they changed a lot from the OP setups of the originals.

Odd: Minstrel Song
Even: Unlimited
Even Dubs: Frontier
Odd Dubs: Last Remnant

>>3567343
one day I'll finish Last Remnant

by which I mean the stupid optional bosses

>>3567410
I got kind of a bad taste from TLR by its first few hours. I haven't given up on it but since i have other options, i'd rather play a SaGa game. For all the flaws of Minstrel Song and Unlimited, at least I can use the blacksmith right away, can immediately go explore where I want or do sidequests, and recruit and use as many characters as I can get with no arbitrary limit to it. That last detail is probably what really soured my opinion more than anything. I can afford to hire a 4th character but i am not allowed to use him for some reason? Why even let me hire him. Im sure the game gets better but that really annoyed me.

>>3567432
It almost gets worse when you can hire like 50 characters, but only use 18, and only put 5 per union.

18 does not divide by 5, and most formations won't give full bonuses unless you use 5 characters that satisfy specific requirements, which in the PC version means you have to use THE SEVEN to get the most out of pretty much all the best formations there are.

It's honestly complete bullshit.

It seems like i've spent nearly an hour just fussing over my party's gear and classes in Minstrel Song, tweaking equipment at the Blacksmith and checking different mentors and trying to decide on the right classes to invest into for this playthrough (since i'm near the start). This is why my playtime bloats up to 45-60 hours each playthrough, moments like this. I find this happens to a lesser extent in Unlimited as well. Am I crazy if I this is one of my favorite parts of the game? Its weirdly compelling for me to just plan things out and do the menu managing busywork, while anyone watching would be bored to tears.

>>3567526
Same except for it somehow taking hours.

Maybe like an hour or two at most from finishing the starting quest to locking in the plan for the party I'll use.

>>3567546
my only issue right now is that I want to use farah but i cant get her until i start the Assassin guild quest. So i guess I'll jut have to use Jamil...
Im also trying to decide if i want to push barbera into being a high level martial Artist, or build up to a legendary class like Master for reduced dp/lp

>>3567563
Legendary classes are worthless.

>>3567573
You're not wrong but i dont completely agree. i find having a that benefit can work depending on your strategy.

On another note, here's one of meme strategies for herman I'm considering. He's generally terrible except he has okay VIT and COM so I'm either gonna make him a Castle Knight and push his compassion so he can deflect attacks more often OR I could make him an Imperial scholar/rosalian mage and give him Rain of Life hydrology spell. Usually, it costs 5 LP to cast but it heals the entire party and he has among the highest LP counts in the game, so i can using him a tank that just heals the whole party.

Thoughts?

>>3567636
The only time I use legendary is when starting a new character as a rogue or warrior, specifically because of the extra proficiency talents.

>>3567636
Isn't Rain of Life too slow to combat Animate Dead? I can't say I ever really found a use for the spell.

Why not make him a Rosalian Officer to face-tank everything?

>>3567642
Im looking specifically for the increased chance to deflect attacks aimed at allies

>>3567647
Then 5 castle knights, all using Halberds.

>>3567563
>>3567573
I find Legendary classes have more meaning during early playthroughs where Jewels are still somewhat scarce and all you care about is DP/LP preservation - you go up to Level 3 in a Legendary and you're generally set in that department.

While it's nowhere near top-tier (which would be basically some combination Rosalian Mage, Castle Knights and Rosalian Officers), there's a whole bunch of classes with worse abilities and less skills than Legendaries.

That being said, if you don't know how to take advantage of the flexibility, just stick with the Martial Artist. It's not a "straight upgrade" going from that to Master.

>>3567727
>I find Legendary classes have more meaning during early playthroughs where Jewels are still somewhat scarce and all you care about is DP/LP preservation
I feel like the same number of jewels could get a pirate or a swordsman up to level 4.

Honestly; Pirate, Swordsman, Craftsman, Geckling Knight, Entertainer, there are a lot of great basic classes.

>>3567727
I actually stopped using Castle Knights in favor of Martial Artists recently, for a while I went max defense with garal armor and all, but I kinda like trying lightweight builds instead. You can still effectively reduce the damage you take with stat crippling, then you maul faces with Surge/Reverse auto-combos. 5x Martial Artist might be what I use to do my next 10FS Saruin fight.

>>3567661
>Halberds
Do Pole Arms have a better chance at deflection? I thought that was mostly determined by Compassion and weapon mode

Incidentally, I seem to recall that Legendary classes had some synergy if you want to play with Summons, but I can't remember exactly what the specifics are.

>>3567745
>Do Pole Arms have a better chance at deflection?
I was under the impression you want to use Long Swords instead, because they can deflect for both other people and the user (whereas Pole Arms can only do the former)

>>3567745
No, polearms are just really great weapons in general. They don't do it any better than long swords or great swords.

also I really like polearms in this game

>>3567754
>I was under the impression you want to use Long Swords instead, because they can deflect for both other people and the user (whereas Pole Arms can only do the former)
There are weapons that can only deflect for the user, but there aren't any weapons that can only deflect for allies.

Long Sword is just the only weapon that can deflect for allies while also letting you use a shield.

>>3567761
I am using a Long Sword for precisely that reason

>>3567754
I got a wizard (advanced class that "Cast Spells more effectively") )up to lvl 4 near the end and i was able to cast Bird of Fire without it costing any LP. It felt pretty strong. I dont know if that was actually better than a Sorcerer using the same spell (Legendary)

>>3567765
The Wizard version would have been more powerful while having the same cost of zero LP and whatever BP

>>3567768
Then why would you ever become a sorcerer? So you could have access to more spell schools?

>>3567772
There is no reason to ever become a sorcerer. Legendary classes are bad.

>>3567783
What a letdown
Especially after those stupid kids are all hyping it up and going all "people who try out a lot of different classes can get amazing rewards ;)"

>>3567794
You get to pick any class you unlock when you start a new game with another character.

Rogue is actually a pretty strong starting class because it starts with useful proficiencies, and it has 3 desirable field skills flagged for discount. Warrior also has 3 but the proficiencies it starts with aren't as helpful. Bizarrely, the field skills that get the discount are not the same ones that the class itself actually trains.

Unless you're going to pick an advanced class to stay in for the rest of the game, it's always best to pick one of Rogue, Warrior, or Imperial Marine as a starting class. It might also be that the class you want overlaps with one of those classes, so that you get more than the 5 or 6 in-class skills discounted if you pick one of the classes that also has 3 field skills.

>>3567806
That's a good point, i didn't think of that. I guess it would still be worth it to unlock some of those for future playthroughs. I've gotten Rogue and bard at least so far, as well as a handful of other classes

Come to think of it, Bard would have been a fantastic starting choice for Albert. Dang, i wish i had it.

>>3566726
Remember that you also need to check your enemies' spark grade, you won't be able to get much more than starter waza with normal enemies, better go fight a giant or something if you want to spark good waza fast. Also, Bows aren't really that useful until you get that one bow from the frozen ruins and even so axes can do mass instant death better with Dimension Cut. My rule of thumb for bows revolves around the possibility of getting Barrage Shot with Therese early on, if I do then Bows keep being important until the mid game, if I don't into the trash they go.
>>3567279
They're mostly the same as the originals actually, though SaGa 3 makes monsters work like SaGa 2 instead of having level based forms.
>>3567573
Honestly, with being able to get shit like a Red Mage class but not having access to Necromancy as a magic school I have the feeling Legendary Classes have been cut during development, it seems to strange that they all get the same DP/LP cost reduction but nothing else.
>>3567636
Herman is only useful as a tank unless you grind, I don't have much experience in setting up Rain of Life, I don't think it's that worthwhile with that LP cost, at that point I'd rather use Overdrive as an emergency measure, but on paper it sounds a good strategy.

>>3567783
Sorcerer is kind of the odd one out because it's pretty bad, but it has some sort of niche usage in being able to discount every single Elemental Lord summon or something - not really a top tier strategy any how but it's there.

>>3567806
>Unless you're going to pick an advanced class to stay in for the rest of the game
Weird, people don't do that?

>>3567806
Rogue is pretty nice as far as legendaries go - Bow (for Phoenix Arrow) + Phantom Warrior (through Scimitar illusion channeling) abuse, access to Fire/Water channel through Foil and Short Sword respectively.

I honestly consider it the best out of the legendaries, but I haven't really experimented with a lot of them. Theorycrafting wise, the other I might go for is Shaman

In Minstrel Song, does increasing the level of the Trader class get you better items from monsters?

>>3568439
indirectly.

The default number of trading monsters when highlighting the trade skill in dungeons is 5%, and each level of trader increases that by 5%, so at level 5 trader 30% of the monsters will trade, and by extension will become green non-hostile icons when using the trade skill. Therefor, you will have more chances to see a good item with high Trader level. You can increase the odds of a successful trade by carrying better items in your trade window, and more items that the monster type desires (i.e. birds really like shiny things and wood materials for nests, reptiles really like metal equipment, undeads like clothing to cover their body, unknowns like anything they can eat by dissolving), as well as building up a lot of trade experience by trading with lots of monsters.

The actual items generated are based on a table that checks monster type and battle rank, with crowned monsters having a pool of rare items that only they can generate.

>>3568502
>You can increase the odds of a successful trade by carrying better items in your trade window, and more items that the monster type desires (i.e. birds really like shiny things and wood materials for nests, reptiles really like metal equipment, undeads like clothing to cover their body, unknowns like anything they can eat by dissolving), as well as building up a lot of trade experience by trading with lots of monsters.
Holy shit! 3rd playthrough and im still learning new systems.

Just beat Rocbouquet with an all male party and having forgotten to equip the Somon Ring because my badass emperor is literally so gay he saw through her temptation skill and finished her off before the rest of the team could kill him for her, AMA.

>>3568523

Hurr durr forgot pic because I was too hype

Seems Cattle Call and FuRyu are at it again, will it be a good game this time?

http://gematsu.com/2016/10/alliance-alive-gameplay-teaser-video
>>3568523
Nice, now go see Noel.

>>3568582

>6280 yen for a 3ds game

Is this standard or are these guys just fucking insane?

>>3568751
>Is this standard
Japanese prices are high/inflated as well since they need to sell more to a smaller population

I'm not sure if this is his strongest form, but down it went. In Dantarg's defense, his ai went full retard, I knocked him out without him ever using an aoe skill.

>>3569793

That having been said, I recruited a new imperial guard and then after that, Hannibal appeared. I would hate to miss out on using the meme man himself, so what should I do? If I go without a guardsman for this generation, will be be available in the next? I'm pretty sure that's how this works.

>>3569796
>If I go without a guardsman for this generation, will be be available in the next? I'm pretty sure that's how this works.
I'm fairly certain they cycle when a proper time skip occurs

Meant to move on to Unlimited Saga and Minstrel Song but decided to try Final Fantasy Legend and got distracted. Beat it in a couple of days and now I'm on to the second one.

>>3563812
Final Fantasy 11.

The game was setup with exploring, adventuring, and discovering the world of Vana'diel over everything else. The only linear thing about it is leveling up.

The game begins with you being dropped into one of three towns, as one of five races, based on one of five jobs. This is all based on your selection. From that point on, you're left on your own. You can progress the main story missions, explore the quests littered around your town, or just jump into the grinding world and ignore all of that forever.

Quite a few pre-requisites for tons of the storyline and lore missions/quests. Large tales of a world coming under siege by ancient threats, to individual tales of worry and woe.

Beyond that, the gameplay is your standard Everquest fare. It's ATB-style turn based combat applied in real time. You spark skills and improve with a weapon the more you use it, albeit in a more linear way than typical SaGa.

But I can't recommend it to anyone who wants to play today. What I described is dead, and has long since been eliminated by FFXIV and the people who ended up working on FFXIV who produced some of the post-FFXIV release content for FFXI.

The community's pretty much dead, with a populated server numbering in the 500~1000s of users at peak. They introduced item levels to equipment, which threw everything off balance, and made a lot of the old content super obsolete and not something you want to bother with.

Incidentally, a lot of the FFXI staff also worked on Romancing Saga Minstrel Song, as many of the assets in RSMS were from FFXI. This includes interface and icons. Rumor always had it that Kenji Ito was to do an OST for one of the expansions, but it was just a rumor.

>>3569984
aren't there any ways of playing FFXI on private server or something

>>3569987
There are, but they peak out at 15 to 20 users, once a week, and they feature some very odd design changes on the part of the people running/maintaining the server.

>>3568751
>Is this standard
It is, for what they're selling it's a pretty standard, if not decent deal, many generic dungeon crawlers with little to no animations and shallow gameplay go for more or less the same price, if not usually more. Scarlet Grace itself costs 6800 Yen after all.
>>3569793
That's his second form, so no, you haven't witnessed full power Dantarg, it also has very low HP, more or less 22000 iirc, good job on beating him all the same.
Regarding Hannibal, any character class goes through a cycle, every time a shift happens or one of the characters of that class gets recruited and dies the game cycles forward to the next character in the list, so eventually you'll get Hannibal again if you kill enough Imperial Guards, that's how you can get the original characters again as well, like Cat, Bear, Karl and so on.
One other thing you should know is that characters can be made emperors one time only, you can't make the same character an emperor twice, though they can be party members as many times as you want, this is also another instance of forced countdown in the game and it's used to do a forced Last Emperor vs All run, which can be quite fun if you're in for a challenge and don't mind killing off Gerald and missing on the Mermaid quest.
I'd suggest you do pick up The Legend™ to kill off some of the remaining heroes, his monstruous 25 STR will serve you good, especially if you give him the Amethyst Axe and buff him up, alternatively, Gustaf is fine too as he's just one point below Hannibal in STR rating.
>>3569939
The GB SaGa are pretty short, they won't take much of your time, hope you manage to enjoy 3 though.
>>3569984
>Incidentally, a lot of the FFXI staff also worked on Romancing Saga Minstrel Song
That's because to this day SaGa doesn't have a dedicated team unlike FF, so they've always swapped most of the staff around, which is unfortunately one of the many factors of SaGa games frequently getting cuts.

>Got magic blender on Anzan but no forbidden magic for blending Stone Rain
>Can blend Holy Thunder on Grace but no magic blender on her

>>3570003
You should look up Nasomi. It's based around CoP with some Aht Urgan sprinkled in, has a peak of only 500 granted but everyone who joins the server is part of the same Linkshell which functions as a kind of global chat.

As a result everyone eventually meets everyone and you're able to start a party up really quickly. If you shout for a party, chances are x amount of people will change jobs just to party and it breeds a really nice atmosphere. I honestly waited longer for a party back on Odin with 3~4k peak.

As a sidenote it's also been running for like 3 years without major issues and the man who runs\codes it all himself is very dedicated and deserved of respect.

>tfw you make a four part retrospective about the SaGa games and whine and nitpick about every little detail

>>3570007

I was able to make it to Wagnas, and just HAPPENED to have a great setup for him and whomped him on my first try (everyone was wearing straw hats and i had physic water on everyone so his fireballs didn't hurt and I could cure blind). I've got the final emperor now, pretty nervous because I'm realizing I haven't done any fusion magic and now I can't get it period. But I've heard the game is beatable without it, so h-here I go!

You guys aren't tired of these yet right

>>3571506

>>3571514
Starring Elsa from the Frozen series (TM)

>>3571516

>>3569984

Man, thanks for the answer.
I actually quit the game back in April for good. Did everything one could do, had 2 Mythics, a few relics and stuff like that. The only way my equipment could be better was farming voidwalker NMs for some very rare items to craft stuff with a 0,00000000000000000001% success chance.
I just couldn't justify spending my time for this.

They should release an offline version. But if I remember right, they said it's "too hard" to do or something like that.

Also lol @ squares video for the "new loading times" it still (at least while looking at it) looks pretty slow.

>>3571516
Too busy looking at the Asurana section of the page to notice the top right corner.

What a lovely lady.

>>3571990
>They should release an offline version. But if I remember right, they said it's "too hard" to do or something like that.

You can always look forward to the FFXI Mobile

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxi/comments/4iwc77/everything_we_know_about_ffxi_mobile_updated/

Which they haven't talked about in ages.

>>3571381
>final emperor now
>pretty nervous because I'm realizing I haven't done any fusion magic and now I can't get it period.
oh shit nigga what are you doing

>>3571262
Jesus I hate this fucking guy, I'm quite a bit autistic myself but this guy takes the cake holy shit.
And he's fucking everywhere on top of that, Gamefaqs, youtube, you name it.
>>3571506
>>3571514
>>3571516
>>3571519
You're doing God's work Anon.

So, mechanics time:

The weapon types are more or less Romancing SaGa's types, Sword, Great Sword, Rapier, Spear, Axe, Hammer, Bow, Wands and Martial Arts.

WRASSLING MOVES ARE BACK HOLY SHIT!

You can rank up waza, making them more powerful and also reducing the BP cost.

Character Roles from SaGa Frontier 2 are back!

This time characters only have one weapon slot.

Counter, Defense and the new Interrupt waza types are now called "Reserve" waza.

Monsters from Minstrel Song have been recycl- will make a cameo, there will be more than 100 monsters in the game.

Regarding characters:

The young guy with the hat is called Arthur, he joins Balmaint at the beginning of his quest, he's a ladies' man and seems to have a business of his own with Siegfrey.

The old man is called Mondo, or maybe Mond, after all Frontier's Mondo was actually called Mond. He's Urpina's loyal bodyguard and is proficient with swords, spears and axes.

The edgy guy with the lipstick and ahoge has quite a troublesome name to translate, I suppose his name is Chago/Tiago-Lisboa/Liesbois, but it's a bit hard to infer, he's the lord of castle Palum.

The girl with the tophat is called Asrana, she's a sculptress of sorts and has her own atelier(does that mean we'll get a Tecmo-Koei Atelier Asrana?), though it seems she's actually a bit crazy and obsessed with statues, and not in a good way.
>>3571993
Yeah, it's still pretty slow, but it's on Vita, you can't expect good loading times for games like these unless you're making glorified PSP games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCLRTMC8AB4

These threads really die on EU time, might as well bump for safety.

Gonna spend the day doing carrier quests with Ventus until I feel comfortable with how panels work. I'm terrified of moving on to a different character with less freedom.

First time posting here, forgive me if this is a commonly asked question.
I've been meaning to play Romancing SaGa 2 now that it was translated so I downloaded an Android emulator and tried my best to get it to work. I installed the apk and put the obb file in the folder I was supposed to but no matter what I do when I start it up it only shows this even after it says it finished downloading. Is there a way I could fix it?

>>3573410
The solution is to learn Japanese

>>3573410

Get Bluestacks, make playstore Account and buy it. Thats how I've done it, there is no way I'm going to play games on my Phone.

Man, Unlimited is somehow even more confusing than I remembered it being, I'm still gonna at least try to play through it without using guides but I doubt I'll get very far.

>>3573410
There are uncracked and cracked versions of the game floating around and you need to make sure you have the correct one.

It shouldn't be downloading shit if you have the OBB - at the black screen at the start, just wait a while WITHOUT pressing the "Cancel" button at the bottom and it'll eventually start if you have the correct cracked version

>>3573820
There's a lot of information if you look through the last thread.

Feel free to ask questions here as well, there's at least a handful of experienced players itt.

>spark great wheel on sharl way earlier than expected
>give it to everyone on the team
>shit stomp every basic encounter effortlessly for the rest of the game
is there a better feel?

>>3573698
bluestacks is shit and full of ads, gimped functionality for the free version, constant goading to get the paid version, and it forces you to download f2p games

get droid4x

>>3572964
I'd argue you should ditch Ventus asap because Carrier quests spoil you with the unlimited panel growth, and in some cases like Ruby's quest you have a shitload of tetraforces to powerlevel which make you stronger even faster than using Carrier quests, in some places like the Deities' Table you can also grind magic tablets pretty fast if you want to. Carrier quests are mostly a crutch, you shouldn't depend on them, it's a bad habit.

For instance I have mostly L5 panels on my Ruby team and I still need to go to the Undercity Pharos and the Deities' table, at this point I'm not even going to do most of the other adventures beside a few high tier ones, there's no point at all unless I want to raise my market level further, but having already forged a few Black and Platinum weapons I don't really need to.

Also, didn't you already get the Dragonheart? At that point you shouldn't be worried about getting more panels, Kalandorn isn't going to be stronger than the Round Table+Phantom and I don't think Chaos Ruler will be much worse than fighting the Round Table, just forge some good weapons and kick Kalandorn's ass.
>>3573820
Whenever you need help just ask.
I too had a slow start after so many years but after a few quests I warmed up just fine.
Still got BTFO by Tagut a few times, but Tagut's admittedly pretty tough compared to most bosses and I went in underpowered as fuck.
What worries me is that now I'm getting liches and shit on my normal encounters so maybe I've been abusing Tetraforces a bit too much.

Next quest will be Kurt's so I'll need to put some effort, though Laura's tempting too, I'd like to build Michelle and Musol Yanii again, without Axes this time,

>>3574145
who is that picture of??

>>3574454
some tranny skank

>mfw don't remember a damn thing about Undercity Pharos

I've been wandering around since an hour or so and I still don't remember where the fuck I'm supposed to go, all this random fighting is beginning to wear down my team.

Which games would you guys recommend actually playing, and in which order?

I did enjoy FF2, and I like the SaGa's series unique approach to leveling and mechanics, so I thought I'd start to play through a few of them in the near future.

>>3575236

General answer is to choose between Frontier 1, Romancing 3, or the non retro Minstrel Song. You could also try the DS remake of saga 2, because it would still feel familiar to you while also introducing you to the series' main mechanics.

>>3574935
At some point you need to backtrack iirc

>>3565354
SaGa Frontier 2

>>3574137
>>3574335

There is one thing I've been wondering, how much should I be worried about weapon durability?

Well for whatever reason the save counter rolling back on Final Fantasy Legend 2 fucked with my save and whenever I load it it goes back to the fourth time I saved instead of the 104th.

Not even Chaos Ruler could stop the Age of Fatso, Roy and Anzan almost solo'd the fight with Iskandar hogging some spotlight with Reverse Delta.

Now, onto Kurt's quest!
WHERE HAS THE PRIDE OF THE KNIGHTS'S GONE?
SICKENING!
>>3575236
I'd say release order if you're a purist and want to see how the series changed, but it's not necessary, since you liked FFII it could be nice for you to do so, but that's up to you.
I do not suggest you to play GB SaGa 3 and SNES Romancing SaGa, the former isn't even a true SaGa game and the latter is way too clunky and buggy to be enjoyable, both have superb remakes.
Anyway, as long as you don't start with Unlimited or Romancing SaGa 2 you're more or less fine, those are for more seasoned players, the general consensus is to start with Frontier or Romancing SaGa 3 and then play the other titles.
>>3575259
Yeah, I had to, luckily I bangend my head on so many walls I managed to complete it, took 400 or so turns though.
>>3575738
Weapon durability(EN) works similarly to Frontier 2, except for one weapon line of attacks you consume one point per command, once the EN value reaches zero the weapon is unusable and you need to go to a blacksmith to restore it, however, if one of your characters has a Quick Fix panel or has learned the Recycle spell and can cast it you can restore EN a bit as long as the weapon isn't broken, though you should always do so before the weapon's EN dips under 10 points, as you'll have to use reels and there's a chance you might mess up and break the weapon/accessory.
Keep in mind that Blacksmiths can upgrade EN a lot and as you get stronger you'll be using your weapons less times, especially spears if you have Acupuncture, so it's only a problem in the very early game, or if you don't keep an eye on it like you should.
Forging multiple reserve weapons is also a thing, and costs basically nothing if you keep opening treasure chests like you should.

>>3575859

What I've been doing so far is using weapons until they have fairly low durability then switching to other ones I've bought, I've been hoarding all my materials so far, is it a better idea to repair my older weapons? I sparked Reaper at some point and I've been using that a lot since it's the only waza I have that can hit multiple enemies. How does Quick Fix work? I used it a bunch on one weapon in a quest, and it wouldn't let me use it again in the next quest I did.

I've actually been having a lot of fun playing it this time around even though I still have barely any idea what I'm doing.

>>3575253
>>3575859
Thanks guys, I'll give Romancing 3 a go soon.

I still like the look of GB SaGa 3, so I'll probably give it a go sometime anyway, but I'll try and complete the main SaGa games before that.

>>3575889
>I've been hoarding all my materials so far, is it a better idea to repair my older weapons?
For the early game, yes, unless you manage to get your hand on Copper/Iron/Silver it's best to repair old weapons, also because you'll likely have awakened the latent attack lines whereas new weapons usually have to be used a few times before unlocking all the attack lines.
If you do get something like the aforementioned materials it's best to forge a weapon with those as they're by far better, keep in mind that forging has some RNG involved in how the weapon turns out, certain materials allow the weapon to either inherit or create different attack lines, certain material combinations sometimes give you stronger weapons made of a better alloy such as Steel, Fairy Silver and so on.
Generally, you'd want to get a Steel weapon asap, as long as you have something with Iron and wooden material like Oak you can forge those to create a Steel weapon.
You also have to consider that material also modify the weight of the equipment, Fairy Silver is very light for instance while Lead is the heaviest material there is, that changes your character weight, which in turn leads to different martial art lines and less speed.

One last thing I'd recommend you to do is equipping every character with a weapon that can block, either a Sword, Dagger or Staff will be fine as they all can have commands like Deflect that allow to block attacks, even at 0 EN you can still trigger defensive commands so don't worry about your blocking weapon being out of EN, I usually give everyone a wood knife with a defensive slot, they're light and easy to get.
>How does Quick Fix work?
Quick fix restores EN up to a certain amount, usually 20 EN I think, the bare minimum you need to keep on fighting, it's an emergency measure that can't compare to Blacksmiths, but it's pretty useful if you don't have people with familiars and you use weapons a lot, especially during long adventures.

>>3575932

Pretty sure I have a copper spear and sword, don't think I've seen Iron or Silver anything so far. By attack lines do you mean the 4 different abilities a weapon can have? I've got a fuckload of extra daggers so equipping everyone with one would be no problem. I'm still confused about Quick Fix, does it recharge or is it basically you have a certain amount of points to use, then you can't use it anymore?

For now I'm thinking I'll just keep swapping out for new weapons until I get copper or better then forge the older weapons into them to repair, unless there's any reason I should hang onto them?

>>3575941
>don't think I've seen Iron or Silver anything so far
They only appear in the shops as you get a higher market rank, but you can find them in treasure chests during tougher adventures, Silver will take a while to show up though, it's a pretty valuable material.
>By attack lines do you mean the 4 different abilities a weapon can have?
Exactly, attack lines change depending on the weapon's material and how the weapon is forged, weapons, shields and accessories forged with beastial stones(Lazuli, Ravenite, Carnelian or Topaz) get a elemental Art line in the second slot which allows you to channel elemental spells, Demonite, a high rank material allows you to cast Forbidden spells, other materials such as Bone, silver or Damascus all lead to different attack lines and properties.
>I'm still confused about Quick Fix, does it recharge or is it basically you have a certain amount of points to use, then you can't use it anymore?
It simply recharges a weapon/accessory, you can use it as much as you want.
>unless there's any reason I should hang onto them?
As I said before, if you have access to a certain weapon line in a old weapon and forging it makes it lose access to it, you might want to keep the old weapon instead, but that's up to you, you can still spark new stuff in new lines anyway, usually, I tend to keep weapons that have Aim or Slash unless they're made of wood or some low tier material, mostly because they're good lines for LP damage, Aim especially is probably what you'll want on your spears most of time because it leads to superb LP damage waza like Acupuncture.

>>3575949

Ah, cool, I just loaded my file up to test Quick Fix, must have been trying to use it on stuff with maxed durability before, it worked fine this time. Thanks for all the help.

>>3575889
>I sparked Reaper at some point and I've been using that a lot since it's the only waza I have that can hit multiple enemies.
Reaper is GOAT, only Bows, Spears, and Staves have weapon techniques that hit hit all.

>>3575958
No problem, we're here to help each other out.

>>3575941
You might be able to get Ironstone items; which are weaker than Iron items but will forge into Steel all the same.

>>3577759
To add on this Anon's post, certain combinations of materials are not explicitly shown, or rather they are but at the same time they're not.

For instance, if you try to forge Silver with a beastial stone like Lazuli, try to push left or right on the while highlighting the second component, sometimes you'll notice that the result changes from Silver to Platinum, that's because forging has in general a random chance of getting certain combinations, I believe it's usually 15% chances of getting the right combinations for special material.

Special materials you can get from forging are Platinum(Fairy Silver), Black(Damascus) and more importantly Type 01/02 Steel and Type 01/02 Mullock.
Platinum has a low chance of success during forging, so you might want to save and reload before forging, Fairy Silver is a very light material and leads to decent attacks and interesting properties for accessories or attack lines for weapons but most importantly it sells for a shitload of money you can use to get ingredients for Damascus, Damascus needs Type 02 Steel and Type 02 Mullock, it's by far he best material for equipment unless you want a lightweight character, in which case Fairy Silver is your choice.
The trick with Damascus is that you need the right type of two ingredients, the right steel type can be noticed by a factor, it has one point less in Attack values, let's say from 58(01) to 57(02), sometimes you might get the right Steel weapon in the shop, sometimes not, you can however reforge Steel with some Wooden material until you get the second type, again, save+soft reset or savestates are your friend.
Mullock type however can't be inferred from anything, the type is completely hidden, but you can forge two Mullock pieces together, that will ALWAYS lead you to the right type of Mullock you'll need for damascus, get dem mullock in the shops when you see it.

Attack/Abilities lines also depend on your material and inheritance percentages.

>>3577759
>>3577817

Not sure if I've seen Ironstone anywhere yet, unless I ended up passing it up in a shop without noticing. I actually got an Iron Axe at some point, and forged that into a Steel Axe, I've got at least two pieces of Mullock too and plenty of wood stuff, so if I've read this right I can make the best axe out of those if I do the forging right?

I think I've got a lot of resetting ahead of me.

>>3577835
>so if I've read this right I can make the best axe out of those if I do the forging right?
Yep.
Try it out, it's worth it.

>>3577817
This is incorrect in the sense that Mullock(1)+Mullock(2)=Mullock(1)

Mullock(2)+Mullock(1),
Mullcok(1)+Mullock(1),
Mullock(1)+Laz./Carn./Rav./Top./Op.,

All give out Mullock(2) at 100% chance

Steel(2)+Mullock(2)=100% Damascus

Iron can make both Steel(1) and Steel(2), while Ironstone can only make Steel(2), at the same probability.

Another useful combination is Corundum(Sapphire)+Corundum(Ruby) making Queen Shiva(15%), a material that is very good for shields and accessories.

One thing to keep in mind is that your attack settings are determined when initially forging the item into the final type, that is, the moment it becomes a dagger it's abilities are locked until you forge it into something that isn't a dagger and then back again. Daggers seem to be the only item that can forge into any other kind of item as a material, so usually you want to make your weapon type initially at the weight you want it, then use Daggers for forging all other Mullock materials and whatnot. There are 8 weight ranks, and because order of materials is important Damascus items can only go as low as 3 (Iron and Steel are weight 5, so even if you combine them with Feather when making a Sword, the weight will end up as 3 or 4).

This only applies to slots, all forged equipment is weightless.

Example:

You want your Black/Dragonscale sword to have Weight 8, so you take your Steel(2)/Dragonscale Dagger and combine it with Lead(weight 8) to produce a weight 8 Sword with Multi-Blade/Cross-Slash/Stardust/Blast.

Example 2:

You want a Black/Dragonscale sword to be Weight 3 for Rear blade and Deflect, so you get a Steel(2) or Dragonscale Dagger with 4 slots showing, and combine with Feather, when it comes out there's a 50/50 chance of getting set 3; M.Blade/Deflect/R.Blade/C.Slash and set 4; M.Blade/Deflect/Slash/C.Slash. You need slots showing so you can tell which one you got.

Then make into Damascus while retaining abilities.

Gimme your sickest unofficial remixes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IklVnEvvoGc

>>3578240
Thanks for the correction on the Mullock part.
I thought Queen Shiva had lower success than that, wasn't there also a Diamond+Diamond combination? I swear there's so much stuff you can do with forging, it kind of makes you feel bad to keep on playing on new game+ as you can abuse blacksmiths pretty easily if you have the patience to do so.
>>3578567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Yuo6E_MZw

>>3578567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EugQfuu1Y6Q
k

Still looking for Levo Lution's Extile album

I'm dying every time I remember and still can't find it anywhere

>>3578621
>wasn't there also a Diamond+Diamond combination?
Yeah, it makes Roadster, a material comparable to Queen Shiva, that makes a shield of about equivalent usefulness as well.

Both Queen Shiva and Roadster make shields that block all physical attributes, but QS also blocks Heat, and Roadster blocks Lightning.

Both are somewhat inferior to DragonScale Shields which block Slash/Pierce/HIL (Heat-Ice-Lightning)

As accessories both block stat downs and have high defense, but I tend to put a higher value on status blockers and life point protection.

Diamond=Null Para
Obsidian=Null Petri
Faerie Silver=Null Blackout
Damascus=Life Protection

All those statuses are basically devastating and can completely destroy your groove and ruin a boss fight, so I'll use up all those diamonds making status rings instead of roadster shields.

Element support and Life Protections also stack from different gears, so it's typical to have say, Michelle, with her 6 LP, wearing Life Protection gear in every single slot, or Judy with nothing but element support everywhere.

>>3578704
>Yeah, it makes Roadster
Just when I typed that I found diamonds in the shops and tried it out, not a bad combination, made a decent sword with it, after doing an adventure I found some dragon scale in the shops so I think I'll turn that sword roadster into a shield or an accessory,
Ten hours in and I've beaten all the Gauntlet bosses thanks to Poker Wild, I'm tempted to finish Kurt's quest's early, but I need stronger party members, Edel and Mordeus are far too weak to be of any use against Chaos, and I need Joseph to master its tablets and maybe get a magic blender too.

If only I found some good armor with Life Protection.

So, I've been thinking, I have two pieces of demonite sitting around, would it be possible to get an accessory with both Forbidden arts and Support?

iirc forging with demonite can apply those two but is i possible to have them both on the same accessory? Arts go in the second slot but support also goes in the second or third slot, so in theory, if I get lucky I could have Forbidden art in the second slot and Forbidden support in the third.
Not like I'll learn Forbidden magic anytime soon but I've been wondering how much I could boost it.

What is bad about the legend of legacy?

Is the game just dull or are the mechanics bad? It looks nice and seems to have pretty gud music

I ask because it has mediocre reviews, but that's pretty par for the course for saga-type games, if I recall minstrel song was given like fucking 4s and 5s from some publications

>>3579746
I like it but
1) The soundtrack feels limited. There's like 18 songs but, you know
2) The gameplay isn't all that deep
3) Requires more grinding than I've typically ever given
Oh and the social elements, while nifty, aren't all that cool or useful.
Not much of a story really, at the end of the day, as well.

>>3579746
The mechanics are overall too simplistic so it gets grindy and repetitive rather quickly and there isn't much of a narrative either so this game can't lean on that to make you want to continue playing.

>>3579746
I think it's a very polished game that falls to the trap of simple gameplay and a simple setting/story that doesn't really draw the player into its charms.

I found playing it best in small bursts, instead of one long session. Do a little bit, clear some maps, spark some techniques, and move on.

Try to burn through it as you would a more story or gameplay heavy game and you'll end up feeling a little tired of the game.

On the subject of Legend of Legacy, someone just linked me this.

http://gematsu.com/2016/10/alliance-alive-new-classic-rpg-developed-studio-behind-legend-legacy

>Scenario – Yoshitaka Murayama (the creator of Suikoden)

Neat.

>>3577838
>>3578240

I made a Black Axe, Sword and Spear earlier, took ages to actually forge them all so haven't tried them out yet.

The more I play this the more I like it, wish I'd given it a proper try earlier.

>>3579746
LoL isn't that bad of a game but it has its problems.

Pros:
-Character designs by Kobayashi
-Music by Hamauzu
-It's pretty much a SaGa clone
-looks and sounds good enough
-multiple MC as per the Romancing formula
-Little to no narrative, gameplay focused

Cons:
-It's an extremely shallow SaGa clone which is borderline archaic if you're used to SaGa standards
-There's no characters besides the MCs, making the game lose most of its replay value
-There's basically no narrative or story at all, making multiple MCs even more pointless
-there's actually very little content
-It gets repetitive and grindy really fast and there's not much depth so you can't even do as many cool exploits as you can do with SaGa games

What personally irks me is that the devs made such a big fuss about it being a SaGa successor and then they delivered this half baked game, it's good for casuals who can't stomach actual SaGa games, but for veterans or enthusiasts it's a cheap knock-off, made it even worse by the fact that they got both Kobayashi and Hamauzu working on it, it feels almost offensive.

Let's hope they won't mess up the next game, though honestly, all that talk about making a game like the old "classics" isn't a good sign, they completely missed the design philosophy of SaGa with LoL and this kind of pandering is exactly what made Square's Setsuna bomb hard.

Besides, Scarlet is coming out in a month or so, they better do a decent clone this time if they want to catch up with the series they're trying to rip off.
>>3579968
>The more I play this the more I like it, wish I'd given it a proper try earlier.
Better late than never.
If you want to squeeze everything out of the shops I'd suggest you to give someone an Artiste panel, you can get more items in the shops this way, I've been blitzing through Kurt's story thanks to Platy digging up good stuff in the shops with Artiste early on, having someone with Merchant also helps reducing the price for rare materials.

>Ventus gets a Magic Blender panel because
>Josef can't event get some high level familiar
>Running out of high level quests

>>3580619

Don't think I've seen a single Artiste panel so far, are they rare?

Alright, Kurt's done, Armand is a hilariously broken character as always, but Kurt needs him considering Mordeus and Josef have so little LP.
Still have no idea why they changed his name, same with Mordeus and Kurt.

Just speeding through Laura's quest now, made a heavyweight Dragonscale sword and going to Escata with Based Francis, with some luck I'll be able to get him a Dragonscale spear after I'm done with this, maxed market rank is great for quick plays.
>>3581609
Kind of.
As long as you spam Quick Fix or shop related abilities you should be able to get an Artiste panel relatively fast.

>>3582357

Huh, I've actually used Quick Fix a lot but still never seen one. I usually end up seeing the same martial art, weapon, familiar, map and chest related panels over and over, and rarely stuff like iron body.

>>3582402
>I've actually used Quick Fix a lot but still never seen one.
Guess you're out of luck, I've used nothing but magic on Josef during my Kurt playthrough and he never got even one L4 familiar panel, nor a magic blender, which Ventus got randomly during a quest in which he did absolutely nothing at all, sometimes the game hates you and there's nothing you can do but deal with it.

are monsters really that awful in saga frontier

>>3582676

They're the weakest race, except for maybe Mystics and the hardest to plan out but they're not really awful.

SaGa Frontier is fairly easy overall anyway, so it's easier to just go with whatever party and setup you want without screwing yourself over like some of the other SaGa games.

>>3582676
Monsters are gr8 m8

Except for maybe mecs they power up faster than any other race, and they have a lot of utility. Monsters are better than every mystic that isn't Nusakan, Mesarthim or Time Lord, and generally carry the rest of your party in the early game and make a really useful tank/healer later on, with powerful multi-target spells and rechargable WP.

Actually if you can somehow manage to get LifeRain on a monster they beat out mystics (except time lord) completely and occupy a support role that mecs and humans can't. (Unless you're playing Red or Blue)

on the subject of saga frontier, can asellus absorb enemies without affecting her ending?

>>3583424

IIRC you can use her MysticGlove as much as you want because of a bug, but I could be wrong about that. At the very least one of her Mystic weapons doesn't affect her endings.

>>3583424
You can't absorb without triggering the transformation, so I wouldn't think so.

>>3583521

The way her endings actually work is different from how they're supposed to work, there's a section on it in that mechanics guide on GameFAQs.

>>3583551
Well that isnt very surprising.

>>3582901
In Red's story, i feel like I spoiled the game for myself by transforming Cotton into the Gryphon monsters you fight at the end of that part of the game. The multi-target spell nearly trivialized most random encounters

>>3583994
If you think that trivializes the game then you should try maxing out a mech and using Shock Soldier/Tiger Rampage, that's what I call humiliating and trivializing the game.

>>3584353
lmao
SaGa Frontier is def a good choice for beginners because its pretty easy compared to lot fo them. I absolutely found it easier than minstrel Song

>>3583994
>>3584353

SaGa Frontier is far too easy to break, humans with DSC can destroy anything that isn't immune to it, or use LifeSprinkler, RosarioImpale, RisingNova or TresFlores for a shitload of damage, Mecs have ShockSoldier, PluralSlash, PopKnight, TigerRampage and Magnify, and although Mystics and Monsters can't reach the same kind of damage they still have plenty of decent options.

And then there's all the bugs like Overdrive/StasisRune, Takonomics and Junk Shop trick that let you break the game even more.

Whenever I replay it now I just do challenge runs to make the game more fun.

>>3584353
Wait until you pull off Overdrive/Stasis with Blue or Rouge.

>>3584360
It is way easier than Minstrel Song, it's a very easy game that's best suited for beginners because it gives you a lot of space and freedom to fuck around, adjust difficulty and study the system, which other games in the series do not.

I don't want to imagine all the poor souls which started Unlimited with Armic's quest or those who played RomaSaGa 2 without using magic, those are almost guaranteed one way tickets to New Game on the starting screen.

Robots are OP af

>>3562163
Bad Dragon pirates.

>>3584390

To be fair even SaGa Frontier can be unforgiving to beginners, choosing Lute's story first could easily screw you over if you didn't know what you were doing, and there's plenty of situations where you could save in a dungeon you can't leave while being unprepared for it.

I wasn't aware terrorists existed before 9/11

>>3584682

They didn't, those are Terorists.

Oh man, if this doesn't scream SaGa machine I don't know what does.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-10-24/saga-scarlet-grace-rpg-gets-ps-vita-console-variants/.108044

>>3585983
Damn, is SaGa really that big still in Japan, or does Square have that much marketing money to throw around? This is something I'd expect out of a franchise like Monster Hunter.

>>3586146
SaGa has a dedicated fanbase

Francis Torrens, a flashy man immersed in his research living in a hut in a forest in the region of Gradion.
He was once the third secretary of the Imperial Library, meaning he must have some kind of special knowledge, he was also considered a child prodigy when he was younger.
It also seems he has some kind of hidden agenda that drives his research.
So yeah, basically Roufas 2.0, he also seems to never take off his sunglasses.
>>3586146
SaGa has a very dedicated fanbase in Japan and it's one of the oldest and most respected RPG series, no wonder they're doing a special Vita edition, Scarlet is a big event, a new mainline game in more than a decade coming out during the 25th anniversary of the series.
>does Square have that much marketing money to throw around?
You're surprised for a special Vita edition but not for a limited edition whiskey, trains, handmade pottery and museum exhibitions?

>>3584378
DSC is a pain to learn for anyone except maybe Liza and Emelia in her fighter costume?

The sword techs are good but not as broken as TwoGun with Boundshot imo.

Mecs are overpowered in early game but fun things are fun! Customisable robots, damnit.

Unless youtried to cast every single spell in Blue's Quest, you probably won't find it out on your own.

Goldshop trick and Junkshop is sort of justified since your starting equipment is shit and grinding for credits is impractical in this game.

>>3584379
>>3584378
And Time magic's turn ending spell is probably more abusable than the overdrive stasis trick. Make Timelord absorb high speed monsters and you can stop every boss from doing anything on his/her turn.

Serhahn, a noble from the Niyu tribe from the eastern regions of the empire, when he was a child he was discriminated due to her mother's low status as a member of the weaker Ashina tribe.
He has quite a long sob story about his mother dying in misery, but more importantly he was entrusted with a scarlet stone, the same stone Sascha has, which is quite obviously a fragment of Firebringer.

He looks more like a DQ MC with that tiara and hairdo.
>>3586185
>Goldshop trick and Junkshop is sort of justified since your starting equipment is shit and grinding for credits is impractical in this game.
I always had the feeling they did that on purpose, RomaSaGa 3 has the Holy Ring bug which gives you literally infinite money, SaGa Frontier has the Laubholz exploit, Unlimited lets you keep your market grade, so you just have to buy a piece of silver and a bestial stone or Ironstone and wood to get a ton of money effortlessly in new game+, it's too fishy to be just a series of bugs or oversights, many SaGa games give you a lot of ways to break the economy.
At least Unlimited balances it out by still making you want to open up chests during quests as they contribute to your panel pool.

wait which part of her body did I just

>>3586185

Emelia in her own quest is the character who can have the talent for all 4 moves you need, I think there's at least a few characters who have talent in 3 of them, like Liza.

Dunno how I forgot about BoundShot, it can combo with itself too so it's doubly broken.

Mecs are overpowered the whole game, but yeah, they're fun, almost every time I've done T260G's quest it's been with an all Mec party.

Yeah, you probably wouldn't figure out how to abuse Overdrive and StasisRune by yourself, same with the junk shop and takonomics really. There's plenty of decent equipment you can get for free early on just by running around opening chests, I prefer just doing that and buying better equipment later.

>>3586194

I forgot about that too, easily the most broken thing in the game.

>>3586227
that's her head so i guess she vored you

>>3586227
Her head.
You're basically reenacting JoJo part 3 where Hierophant Green and Silver Chariot get inside Joseph's head,

Are any of the SNES SaGa games translated yet or do I have to go back to Frontier like the EOP pleb that I am?

Both Romancing SaGa and Romancing SaGa 3 have ENG patches, but RomaSaGa 3's translation is absolute garbage.

RomaSaGa 2 for iOS/Android has been localized officially but the localization is garbage.

kill me.

midway through apollo's world

is this about normal for right now

>>3586315
>RomaSaGa 2 for iOS/Android has been localized officially but the localization is garbage.

how bad are we talking?

>>3582676
If you know what you're doing, you can grab a ZeroWorm extremely early with common skills from common enemies, then you go grab the Magatama from Sei's tomb and you basically trivialized 2/3 of any given playthrough right there.

They sorta fall off in late game unless you take the time to go grab them MightyCyclone or LifeRain, both of which unfortunately aren't common.

Monsters are nowhere near the worse - I would honestly place them pretty high on a "race tier list" if the assumption is no Gold Ingot trick (which makes Mecs shoot up a lot but I don't rank them too highly otherwise).

The "average" gimmickless Mystic (meaning Shadow/Ildon and not Time Lord) probably take the spot of worst race no matter what criteria you use.

>>3586754
>how bad are we talking?
Very slightly better than RS3's English fantranslation

>>3586754
Yeah I am playing right now and the localization is total shit. It's functional, enough to play it if you can't play it in Japanese, but it has no flair, lots of errors...quite terrible. Better than nothing, I guess.


Talking RomaSaGa2, just to be sure. I got a bunch of skills sparked with my current party (third generation) I only get access to them in the trainers if I get a generation shift, right?
I've seen people saying yes, people saying no, and given the lack of organized info about this game, it's kinda hard to know for sure. I got no way to restore LP and the sparked skills are fucking great, so I don't know if I should savescum until a generation shift happens naturally, or just carry on with a new party until I can get access to those skills later.

Is there no way to restore LP normally? I had a single LP restoring potion in the treasury (which I already used in my thief that is stocked up the ass with valuable skills). Will they become available later? Is there any other method available this early on?

Also is there any wiki or something with detailed info about equipment? Due to the way the interface is organized, it's hard to know what does what in terms of equipment, what gives bonuses or elemental resists and such.

>>3587207
>I got a bunch of skills sparked with my current party (third generation) I only get access to them in the trainers if I get a generation shift, right?
Yes

>Is there no way to restore LP normally?
You will eventually unlock a Witch hut which sells multiple kind of potions, one of them being the LP restoring potion.

The bad news is that she charges Money for it and very specifically it's the maximum amount your wallet can hold and she doesn't accept credit cards, so if you want to build up a supply of LP potions, you're going to have to make multiple treks back and forth to your castle to the cave which is meh.

>>3587218
So 10000 gold a pop? Hm, better than nothing I guess.

>>3586360
You still have my patience Kawazu.

Odds - SaGa 2 DS
Evens - SaGa 3 DS

>>3587409
So how's a Human/Human/Mutant/Whatever party in DS?

>>3587198
I easily turned most of my monsters into Dullahans(those headless knight things) by midgame. They're pretty good that way. But for monsters, it's really Kylin Jr. versus everything else. Every monster you could use is just shit compared to Kylin and his/its space magic and superior stats.

Silence is pretty bad as a character and mystic. Ildon seems to be more suitable for physical attacks, but mystics are easier to train as magic users since they can't learn sword techs and stuff. Zozma is actually pretty good but you get him too late. Whiterose is also a good mage after some absorption and training, but heck, she disappears for the endgame in Asellus' quest. The doctor is awesome if only because if his free healing Mysticwear. Mersathim is probably even better than the Doctor because Liferain AND Maelstorm. Of cose, Timelord is cheesecake. So there's really only 2 bad mystics in the game, unfortunately only Silence is easily available to everyone except T260G.

>>3587576
>Every monster you could use is just shit compared to Kylin and his/its space magic and superior stats.
Technically true, but I feel like availability counts for something - Cotton and Thunder are easy to acquire and can be built quickly while Kylin is like end game material so you get more out of the former.

>Mystics
The Doctor is good because starting with a shirt means he doesn't have forced Mystic Armor, which is really shit and one of the reasons why "generic" Mystics are terrible.

Honestly, can't see a niche for mystics that aren't named Nusukan/Mesarthim/Time Lord that Magic-using humans can't do better - use them for variety if you feel but that's it.

Damn, I didn't remember Basil Galeos being so strong, I went in expecting him to be a pushover like Leon or Kalandorn, he KO'd both Judy and Musol Yanii before I made him flee.
>>3586434
I guess you've been grinding a bit, do you have Giant equipment? That will make you basically immortal until the end of Venus' world. Get it if you haven't already.
>>3587207
>but it has no flair, lots of errors...quite terrible
It's not just that, they also arbitrarily changed names, they renamed the town of Mermaid to Atlanticus, which is stupid not only because there's no reason to do so, but also because there's a quest there dedicated to a mermaid and the townsfolk literally tell you the town is called Mermaid due to the presence of merfolk in the sea. Some parts are actually translated decently, but 80% of that is basically, Manasword quality, which means garbage full of basic errors and omissions.
>Is there no way to restore LP normally
You get a Life Potion for each generation shift in your treasury, additionally, you can ask the witch of Sout Rongit to brew you a LP potion.
There's an additional catch to what Anon told you, eventually the witch will run out of potions, I don't remember the exact amount but I believe it's around 20-25 potions, you should be careful about this because one of those potion slots is supposed to be used on the fishman potion to complete the Mermaid quest, so if you buy a shitload of potions without having her brew you the fishman potion you're locked out of the Mermaid quest and subsequently you can't add that portion of South Rongit to your empire, meaning less tax income, no direct fast travel and locking yourself out of the sunken ship quest and another way to fight Subier.
>>3587507
Bretty gud, but honestly, both remakes are so versatile any party is good if you know how to build it.
>>3587606
>use them for variety
Technically speaking, anything other than a two mech party outside of fighting Abyssbat is used for variety.

>>3586203

I just maxed out my money in Unlimited thanks to platinum, now I dunno what to buy with it, I've already made black equipment for everyone.

>>3587863
>now I dunno what to buy with it
Corundum pieces, Diamond, Dragon Scales, Black Armors, Obsidian, these are all good investments, Corundum pieces of opposite variety let you create Bilqs accessories and shields which have quite a good set of abilities, same with Diamond, you can create Roadster items which are pretty much like Bilqs albeit with a different element resistance in the case of shields.
Black Armors are great although a bit rare, Obsidian lets you forge nice accessories, and Dragon Scales lead to the best swords and spears in the game, even superior to black ones, they also make the best shields.
Then there's Demonite and Angelite for your mages, Demonite especially is a must if you want to use Forbidden spells.

Honestly, unless you're Armic, as long as you have access to that stuff all you need is the eventual pieces of lead and feathers to forge the weapons you like, feathers for the light lines, so weapons with Deflect or Rear Blade and lead for the heavy lines like Dice, Coma Dose, Charge and Blast.

>>3587928

Cool, I'll start stocking up on those whenever I see them and use other stuff for getting durability back, thanks for the tips. I already made heavy and light Black weapons for my Sword and Dagger users, and gave everyone else a Black Dagger or Sword for their second weapon so they'd be able to deflect/parry. Would it be better to give them a light and heavy version of their main weapon instead, or keep deflect/parry?

>>3588014
>Would it be better to give them a light and heavy version of their main weapon instead, or keep deflect/parry?
Well, the truly Heavy lines lose defensive abilities by default, so it's up to you, you can still slap a shield on your characters, though it might not be as good as having a weapon with a defensive slot unless you have good Shield Arts panels.

Generally, you can make a compromise with sword and the likes with Deflect having also access to the Slash line for instance, which leads to Multiway/Doppelganger, but iirc there's no way to have access to something like Blast or Dice without losing your Deflect slot as they are abilities that can only apply to heavy the heaviest weapons, same with stuff like Grasshopper or Random Arrow, if you want access to Charge or Power shot you have to give up those.

I suppose the other Anon who previously corrected me about the Mullock forging can tell you more about that, admittedly I'm not super knowledgeable about in depth forging.

I guess I can tell you some cheap trick about changing weight in an already forged weapon but you probably have figured it out already, it's not even hard to do.

Can someone give me a rundown of the races in SaGa 2?

>>3588034

I see, thanks again for the advice, it's amazing how much depth there is to this game, it's a shame so few people could get into it.

>>3587831
>I guess you've been grinding a bit
The sad thing is that I've only grinded enough that the mutant doesn't die in one hit most of the time

I actually never made it this far before

>>3588159
Human - standard SaGa style humans where you gain stats depending on what you do during battle.

Esper - Humans with shittier stat growth but the ability to randomly learn certain magic spells instead

Mec - like Frontier's, you slam equipment on them and they gain stats that way.

Monster - Enemy monsters can drop meat, if you eat them you can change to a new form based on your current "Family" and the meat's Family. Hope you got an FAQ!

>>3588393
On the note of the last two, which one performs better?

>>3588396
Probably Mecs.

If you're powergaming FAQs, I suppose you could achieve the same "blows past the early game" effect with a monster except cheaper since you don't have to spend money

>>3587831
Oh that's useful advice. Thanks Anon!

I took a monster in FFL2 and to be honest I wish I hadn't. Humans and mutants are best but you need a robot to sweep random battles.

>>3588396
robots break the game. AGI is op.

>>3588201
NP, though I need to make a correction to my post, I said the Slash line leads to Doppelganger but I had a brain fart for a moment, Cross Slash leads to Doppelganger, Slash gives you Dragon Tail.
>>3588396
Monsters can get broken forms early on if you get high level meat that leads to the best forms, especially from bosses, mechs have the undisputed statistical superiority as long as you have money to buy the necessary equipment, mechs can also use the martial art trick in the original GB version, so that you equip and unequip martial arts on them until the durability reaches 1, equip them again and one shot bosses or tough monsters for a while.
I'd say mechs are better because they are less dependent on RNG and can equip stuff leading to maxed AGI easily, but certain high tier monster forms are no joke either, and mechs need money, not like it's a problem but monster forms are free.
>>3589065
Noice

Would I be able to use an english patch on Romance Saga 3 after I patch in bokuno?

>RS3 was full translated into Spanish before English

I have no hope for man.

>>3589457
Just translate spanish from english.

We have to have a spic translator or two on this board right?

>>3589446
Don't think so.
>>3589462
>Just translate spanish from english.
Terrible idea.
Don't do what European localizations did and to an extent still do.

>>3589437
I was planning on running two humans and an esper with my party so I was worried about money management.

DS Version if that helps.

>>3589495
La traducion española no esta tan mal, es la unica opcion viable por ahora, se tiene que agradecer que no esta en italiano o en frances, eso dos idiomas si son un dolor de cabeza

>>3589521
Italian ain't that bad but fuck french.

>>3589507
You'll be drowning in money by the time you get to the Giant World, so I don't think you'll have too many problems outfitting a mech, you'll also find a few pieces of Giant equipment around, though having four party members needing Giant equipment can get costly.
Monsters are also much easier to manage in the DS version so there's that, if I were you I'd buy a Giant chestplate and gauntlets/boots for everybody, they're more than enough to make you hella strong for a while, after that you'll have so much money you'll probably run out only if you want to buy everyone a piece of every armor or weapon.
>>3589521
>eso dos idiomas si son un dolor de cabeza
As an italian who also studied French, I have to agree on that.

>>3589596
So what about Espers? I heard that they were annoying to use.

>>3589619
>I heard that they were annoying to use.
They're more or less like human, but they get three slots for extra abilities, either active or passive, they're good, think of them as humans more suited for spellcasting, with less physical capabilities and three extra moves.
As I said, the DS remakes make all races very worth playing, actually, humans might have got the short end of the stick this time as they're mostly beatsticks without anything special, but they can do anything well enough to warrant their use anyway and require less care than other races.

Is SaGa Frontier a good representation of what the rest of the series is like? I've been playing it for a while and it basically just plays like any other jrpg. Should I start with a different game? It's kinda boring desu

>>3589446
>Would I be able to use an english patch on Romance Saga 3 after I patch in bokuno?
Considering the RS3 hacks add in a whole bunch of new quests, how would that even work?

>>3589446
naw it breaks everything

>>3590192
Alright, so who do I have to pay to get bokuno translated?

>>3590347
I'm sure there's some patreon out there that'll take your money to get it translated just don't expect them to finish it.

>>3590347
Anybody who would be interested and has the ability to do it also has better things to do with their time.

>>3590347
A good bookstore with some nice Japanese grammar books is a good start.

>>3590024
SaGa Frontier is SaGa lite. its still one of the best in the series

>>3591049
>SaGa Frontier is SaGa lite.
If anything it's one of the most SaGa games in terms of formula, it's just that it has terrible balance.

>Barely more than a month to Scarlet Grace

>>3591812
In japan and we dont even know if it'll get an english translation

>>3591887
we all know it won't

>>3591812
>Will probably be 3.61
Welp

>>3590347
can't we get /jp/ to do it?

>>3591896

If RS2 of all things can make it, scarlet graces can too. Hopefully they would put more work into an actual release, though.

RS2 still hasn't come out for a real gaming device in the west. Let's see how that one does here before we start wishing for Scarlet.

>>3591049
>>3591368
Well fuck. From what the FAQ said, I was expecting SaGa to be more like a CRPG than a JRPG. Guess SaGa's not the game I was looking for

>>3592249
/jp/ would only translate a PC98 game that had a limited run of 500 copies during an out-of-season convention held on an island and refuse to release the patch.

>>3592667
Try Unlimited and Minstrel Song

>>3592667
>more like a CRPG than a JRPG
Play Unlimited

>One nice thing about SaGa is that you can usually see the world taking shape instead of reading walls of text and loredump like games such as the Kiseki series or ES.

What is the Kiseki series?
What is ES? Elder Scrolls?

>>3592415
Scarlet will bomb in the west as usual, hell, it doesn't even have dungeons, it's much more likely people will play the Fu-Ryu ripoff instead because it's more traditionally designed.
>>3592667
You mean like Might and Magic, Baldur's Gate and the likes?
Nah, SaGa doesn't really play like a CRPG in that way, Unlimited kind of does but it's still a far cry from a CRPG, you might want to look at the Lunatic Dawn games, though they're japan only, those are actual japanese CRPGs and play very much like western ones.
>>3593505
>What is the Kiseki series?
Falcom's Legend of Heroes series.
>Elder Scrolls?
Yeah.

>>3593579
>it doesn't even have dungeons
How can that be?

>>3593660
>How can that be?
Typical SaGa.

>Hey dawg, how about a RPG without levels?
>Impossible, it will never work!
>Hey dawg, how about a RPG without an overworld?
>Impossible, it will never work!
>Hey dawg, how about a RPG without neither an overworld nor a world map?
>Impossible, it will never work!
>Hey dawg, how about a RPG without dungeons?
>Impossible, it will never work!

So, it happened that Kawazu, the absolute madman, digged up the overworld from the GB games and said "fuck dungeons, we /tg/ now".

Imagine the overworld as being the "dungeon" this time, shit happens on the overworld and you have to go around and sort it out, monsters appear, events happen that can change the overworld as making a volcano erupt, there's traps and all sorts of things, coupled with the usual freedom and nonlinearity of SaGa.

The dungeons are actually there, much like cities and other places, but they are locations you explore and interact with through menus, so you can fight the monsters that dwell there, talk to characters that might appear there, trigger events and more.

Imagine it as playing a tabletop game in which a master gives you various options to interact with something, as in go down a dungeon, open this door, talk with this NPC, fight this enemy etc., it goes directly to the meat of the game.

One thing I'm really looking forward to is that you can fight against people who might be party members in another playthrough due to the story changing, this is not entirely new to the series but it seems to be a major feature of the story this time, as you can apparently recruit every named character in the game, and the cast is really huge this time too.

>>3593705
>Hey dawg, how about a RPG without story?
>Impossible, it will never work!

>doesnt work because casuals dont buy it

>>3593720
I think saga has had about the same actual people market share buying their games for about 15 years now

>>3593797
That maybe true but the big wigs always go after the casual market cuz it's bigger. Just look the western release of RS2, it was released for fucking phones the biggest casual market there is.

For some reason I was just fighting some Medusas in FFL2 and I suddenly got warped to a battle against Arsenal. What the fuck is going on?

>>3594096
i have no idea

>>3593872
Oh come off it, a platform is a platform. Unless it starts deleting your contacts or mailing porn to your mother every time you die the games are as difficult as they're intended to be

Fucking console war baby.

Signed - A guy who used an LG GD510 for 7 years before it broke

That's strange, I remember the OP would usually paste translations for Romancing Saga 2 on here.

Did you guys find any new ones?

>>3594371
Yeah, it's in the Android version everyone is playing now.

>>3594968
I cant imagine a phone version of the game being at all playable

>>3594975
Phones have come a looooong way in the past few years, anon

I sparked Poker's Wild in Unlimited, but it's not showing up in the reel, what gives?

>>3593872
>That maybe true but the big wigs always go after the casual market cuz it's bigger.
Must be why Kawazu made the long awaited next mainline game for the Vita eh?
Also, do not judge a game based on the platform it's released on, every platform known to man had its share of bad and good games, phones are no different.
>>3594096
Sounds crazy, are you emulating?
>>3594975
>I cant imagine a phone version of the game being at all playable
It's a turn based game Anon, avoiding encounters might take a while to get used to, but you get used to that, japanese girls on youtube got used to that and so can you.
>>3595082
It is showing, you probably can't see the panel because it's golden and it's quite hard to distinguish, but it is there.
>tfw colour blind and have to rely on pure sound and pattern timing to get lvl 4 and 5 waza in Unlimited
Shit's invisible to me, if I didn't memorize the panel location in the reel pattern I'd never get that shit, the biggest problem is that I can't use the heavy line martial arts because it's impossible for me to reliably land on a Raksha panel.
At least weapons get thos panels inbetween white ones so I can still get them easily, but heavy lines martial arts are a no no.

>>3595118
>Sounds crazy, are you emulating?
Yeah. During the battle it kind of crashed and I was suddenly in the final battle. Died in one turn and got sent to Odin and ended up in a loop dying against Arsenal and had to reload.

>>3595160
>Died in one turn and got sent to Odin and ended up in a loop dying against Arsenal and had to reload.
Man, this sounds genuinely horrifying.

>>3595118

It was just me being a dumbass, I was using Aim instead of Double Stab.

>>3595204
I see.
Still on Ventus' quest?

>>3595237

I'm actually not the other guy in this thread, but I'm also doing Ventus. I picked him first mainly because I knew he was able to do carrier quests, so I could try out different stuff and work out how things work without worrying about screwing myself over too much.

>>3595260
Ah, I see.
Kinda forgot there's many of us who're playing through Unlimited, I've been on a break due to work and other stuff, I should be able to finish my Laura playthrough in the weekend, I'm a bit worried about a few characters who're not growing as I would and the shops aren't really bringing in good stuff, doesn't help that Laura can only visit a few cities, most of which have bad shops.

I'm kind of changing my opinion of her too, I thought she was pretty boring, mostly because Henri does most of the narration, but I kind of like her better now that I'm replaying her story after a decade or so, she's pretty cool, not Sif or Katarina cool but we're kinda there when it comes to older women MCs.

>>3595284

Yeah, all the people talking about it in here made me finally try playing it again, I think my first playthrough I used Kurt and got stuck at some point, and didn't go back to it until now.

I was having trouble getting any use out of Vearst, but I got two level 4 magic tablets recently and he's finally got some decent spells.

>>3595435

Now he's my best character, being able to do over 1000 damage to every enemy is delicious.

>>3595435
>I think my first playthrough I used Kurt and got stuck at some point
Yeah, Kurt's really not a good option for starting the game, he's pretty terrible as a MC gameplay wise and if you want to to get his other boss and story branch you have quite a challenge ahead, especially with his party members, he's definitely designed for more experienced players, I like him as a character in terms of personality though, I like easy going older guys in general.
>but I got two level 4 magic tablets recently and he's finally got some decent spells.
Lucky you, have fun grinding those things though, it's a pain in the ass, though I suppose Ventus' Carrier quests make it relatively faster than most characters.

Also, today's Famitsu has a new article on Scarlet Grace's system, they introduce one of the gods, talk about formations and more, hopefully Anon will post scans.
Now you can also preorder it on PSN so you receive a few extras like an early Minstrel Song's Ice Sword and a pack with some basic accessories, not really anything special but I suppose it will make the early game easier for those who aren't patient enough.

Well, looks like I got the scans before the other Anon. Buckle up.

Guess they weren't joking about having a ton of playable characters, iirc Kawazu said something like 70 playable characters.

Here's one of the Star Gods too.

And last some formation stuff, I'll look at them and post some translation tomorrow, I'm kinda tired today and I need some sleep.

>>3562148
is it gay to fuck asellus

>>3592681

>/jp/
>having any relevance past 2012

/vr/ is way more PC-98 centric than /jp/ ever was. Maybe the VN Generals might there might care, but it's debatable.

>>3597148
There's removed content where Asellus supposedly goes to Dr Nusakan's clinic to ask if she'll grow a dick, and the canon answer is that being a mystic doesn't make you grow a dick, but if you're a mystic it'll be there when you need it to.

>>3596765

I ended up just doing a carrier quests that took me through Forest's Eye, and grinding them out there, took ages.

So, info time:

The girl dressed similarly to Urpina is called Elised, she's a woman from the Gwieneuse family and as such she's trained as a magic user, like the Uranius family members are trained to be proficient swordsmen. She is Antonius' betrothed, Antonius is Urpina's older brother in case you forgot, it seems she's quite a capable magician with an allure and grace that can charm men and women alike.
A little extra about the Gwieneuse family, they're apparently quite fond of fashionable things like robes, they say they are quite the "fashion leaders".

The granny doesn't have a proper name, she goes by the title of Taihuang Taihou(太皇太后), as her title implies she was a former grand empress dowager, and this wiki article explains her character better than I can possibly do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_empress_dowager
Looks like she is very proud of her title too, she's currently a supporting and prominent political figure in the eastern regions of the empire.

The young guy dressed kind of like Blue is called Eidil, he's the lord of the nomadic horsemen tribe called Walomir.
He practiced an aggressive policy, he seized the Megdasse province defeating one tribe after another and expanding his tribe's influence further into the Gradion Province, defeating its four general alliance.
He's a man rather fond of his tribe's culture, and his quest for power is also fueled by this.

The gramps is called Rhoson(?),I don't really know if that's the right way to write his name, He's a warrior serving as feudal lord of the Shuut territory in the Termina province. Although Shuut is an ally of the east empire it is considered as an independent territory.
Together with his son Rhokai, Rhoson protects his land, though there were no hostile states near their territory, the advent of Eidil appears to change that.
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>>3598302
The goddess in the picture on the third page is Vach/Vac, I believe she's a reference to the hindu goddess of Speech of the same name, she's the guardian deity of the Gwieneuse family, the goddess of magic and technology and also the twin sister of another deity called Marigan(Morrigan?).
The Gwieneuse family's appellative in the world of Scarlet Grace is Teanavach, which in their langauge means "Family/People of Vach"
There are twelve Star Gods you can fight against, interact and ally with, during battles you can receive a favour from one of them, much like Minstrel Song or the SaGa 2 remake, the favours have a variety of effect from mass healing to BP restoration.
The gods are also described as whimsical, so they're probably going to be similar to the Muses from the SaGa 2 remake.

About Formations, you can have multiple groups of characters like Frontier.
Formations have four effects mentioned besides the basic logic of positioning characters, reducing a weapon's BP usage, enhancing stats, altering BP restoration rate or pacing, as in getting more BP from the start for instance, and boosting the damage from a specific weapon, I guess they'll also have some other effects like the classic ones as drawing aggro on one position or something, they seem pretty much like the Romancing formations. You learn formations from different characters, the brown girl called Giselle in the screenshot with Balmaint for instance teaches you the Katarina Wish formation.

About Roles, this is pretty interesting because it seems roles are now a mixture of panels and SF2 Roles, the article mentions Antonius as an example, he can dual wield due to having a "Master of Dual Swords" Role, Roles are learned by upping either your stats, meaning the game uses a variable stat system like Frontier/Minstrel Song, your waza ranks or your proficiencies, by changing your Role settings the character can do different things such as Dual Wielding or having specific resistances/talents.
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>>3598304
Also, throughout the world, you'll come across various monuments or places that tell the story of the empire, like the Starbeast Sculpture in the screenshot, so there will be quite the lore hunting too, the empire has been divided into 20 provinces and each of these will have some sort of monuments that tell a part of the empire's story, the war against Firebringer and the collapse of the empire.

Hope I didn't make any mistake, I had to look up quite a few things as I'm not well versed in all those political terms, wish my japanese was better than this.

If anyone would like to correct me it would be much appreciated.

>>3598304
>About Roles, this is pretty interesting because it seems roles are now a mixture of panels and SF2 Roles, the article mentions Antonius as an example, he can dual wield due to having a "Master of Dual Swords" Role, Roles are learned by upping either your stats, meaning the game uses a variable stat system like Frontier/Minstrel Song, your waza ranks or your proficiencies, by changing your Role settings the character can do different things such as Dual Wielding or having specific resistances/talents.

That actually sounds really funky and cool, especially considering it's a Kawazu helmed mechanic which usually means it's going to be very wide in scope.

>>3598313
>That actually sounds really funky and cool
Yeah, it seems pretty cool on paper, though we need to see how good it translates on gameplay.
The article doesn't obviously explain the system in depth but I imagine that there will be a lot of Roles which are just resistances or boosts of some kind, considering you can set only two that's going to be an interesting mechanic, I hope Dual Wielding doesn't end up being too OP and is more focused on utilities rather than sheer power.

I also hope it won't be too grindy, like, L4 Tablet learning grindy.

I went back to playing Frontier on my Vita inbetween breaks, Blue is slow as shit, I had to give up trying to fight the skellies in Sei's Tomb and do something else, they're too fast to solo right now.
The region map is convenient as always though, ain't nothing like warping out of a dungeon after getting the loot, shame they didn't implement it on the other characters' routes, it makes you save a lot of time.

>>3594264
Oh come off it, a post is a post. Unless there's any reason why the big wigs won't go after the smartphone market because of how many people play games on their phone.

Fucking illiterate manchild

Signed - A guy who thinks you're a moron

Signed- A guy who thinks you're a moron

https://twitter.com/SaGa25kawazu/status/794216182651895808

Kawazu says he's planning to make some livestream event for showing some more Scarlet Grace gameplay.
I guess it'll be on NicoNico judging by the retweets.

Also, the game has night and day cicles!

>>3600074
But what do those even add

>>3600096
Ask Kawazu.

>>3600074
I like the starry night background they've got in there.

In fact, I like a lot of aspects of the art style in this.

It really feels like an "adventure" in every aspect, from the character designs to the interface.

>>3600227
>It really feels like an "adventure" in every aspect, from the character designs to the interface.
But it has no dungeons lmao! If its like any SaGa it won't have a good story with cute waifus!

>>3600239
Actually I think Casuals will not be playing because it's not in English.

That is probably going to be a bigger deterrence, right now, than the lack of dungeons.

But let's not focus on the negative stuff. This is one of the few things I've got to look forward to.

>>3600239

No cute waifus in SaGa? I beg to differ.

>>3600227
It really has a feel of those early CRPGs but with some console RPGs bits like the overworld map.

Some other images on his twitter profile also show that you can meet other NPCs on the world map and interact with them so it's like one of those tabletop campaigns using dioramas with character models, I think it's charming in its own special "Kawazu" kind of way, LoL had a good idea with the pop-ups but at the end of the day it was still an overworld like many others where you had to walk around and reach some destination, here stuff actually happens, it really gives you the feel of an old school RPG campaign.

And considering Kawazu already implemented a primitive night/day cycle in RomaSaGa 3 I guess this time it won't be just limited to a few events and will have some major impact on the game as a whole, like changing enemies, having different events and altering the map in some way.

Let's hope he can arrange that streaming so we can see more of it.
>>3600239
>If its like any SaGa it won't have a good story with cute waifus!
>SaGa
>No good stories
>No cute waifus
>His franchise doesn't have handmade pottery with his waifu/husbando on it
Casual Audience indeed.

>>3600227
Hate to be the nay-sayer but Breath of Fire 3 felt like an adventure and still had dungeons. No dungeons is a pretty hard pill to down.

>>3600693
>Feeling sad
>Having dinner
>Still feeling sad, food isn't helping me feel better.
>Finish dinner
>Look down
>It's my waifu!
>Sadly, I'm happy again!

Kawazu does it again.

>>3600696
>No dungeons is a pretty hard pill to down.
You have a great overworld that works like a dungeon though, and we didn't have an overworld since SaGa 3, it's basically the opposite that Unlimited did, you didn't have an overworld there and the only places where you could move around were dungeons, this time you have a huge overworld you can explore in a more orthodox way but the dungeons are reduced to menus.

It would have been cool to have an overworld like that and Unlimited like dungeons, but I guess we'll have to pass this time, I'd say let's see how the new gimmick turns out and decide if the lack of normal dungeons is that bad, after all we don't even know how the dungeons work in the game besides being menu based.

And to be quite honest, maybe it's because I'm getting older and I don't have that much free time anymore to play games, but I like the idea of skipping dungeons, SaGa always had short ones outside of Unlimited and outside of a few titles like RS3 or Frontier 2 the dungeons in the series weren't really all that cool design wise, remember the whole Hell section in Minstrel Song? It was basically a longass corridor with a few elevators and nothing else outside Death's chamber and the Purgatory and let's not forget how infuriating were the SNES RomaSaGa dungeons, especially the sewers in Estamir or the caves in Ligau Island.
>>3600709
He made quite a lot of cute photos during the anniversary events, look them up, they're on his Twitter profile, you can really see how happy he his at seeing his brainchild's exposition and all the stuff made for the occasion, there's also a few pics of Itoken too.
>You'll never go at a SaGa pub and drink SaGa cocktails with Kawazu and Itoken
They seem both so chill too.
Take all my fucking LPs.

>>3600773
>You have a great overworld that works like a dungeon though, and we didn't have an overworld since SaGa 3, it's basically the opposite that Unlimited did
But why not both. I'm not thinking of it from a gameplay perspective, I'm viewing it from an atmosphere perspective

While Unlimited didn't have an overworld you had periods of transitions where you brave'd the world to get from town to town. On top of this you still had dungeons. But the main thing is really just atmosphere.

That and music I feel depend on varied locations to spice things up. That's all. I'm sure it'll be fine. I mean they wouldn't make a decision they wouldn't be sure fans wouldn't appreciate, i'm sure.

>>3600773
>I'd say let's see how the new gimmick turns out and decide if the lack of normal dungeons is that bad
I second this stance on the subject.

We're seeing bits and pieces right now as they speed up towards a release, but we have no idea how it all comes together.

I'm hoping that Kawazu will be able to do a stream that'll show off like the first 30 minutes of gameplay. I think that'd probably get the idea across of what this dungeonless RPG will end up being.

>>3600787
>But why not both.
I guess Kawazu wanted do to yet another different thing, as usual, consider the cast is fucking huge this time, he said there's around 70 playable characters iirc, add 100 and more monsters, nine weapon types, magic that seems to be similar to the Unlimited model, a huge overworld with dynamic events and all the other mechanics like formations, roles and so on.
I guess he had to cut corners somewhere since this is on Vita and all, he probably didn't even had a great budget to begin with so this time he went for a huge cast and an overworld.

I don't think this game will lack in atmosphere, Itoken also said that since he didn't have to compose music for dungeons he concentrated on giving each MC their own different music, I think we're in for a treat.

You're right on Unlimited, it handled exploration really well in its own special way, the same can be said of Frontier 2 and its beautiful artwork, but you know how Kawazu is, he doesn't like to do the same thing twice, especially not in SaGa, I guess this time he's making another bet with his design choice, he's probably not going to win it with the general audience, just like they messed up with Unlimited, but hell, at least he does what he wants to do instead of pandering or being forced to pander to the bigger audience in order to sell, I can respect that.

>>3600812
>but hell, at least he does what he wants to do instead of pandering or being forced to pander to the bigger audience in order to sell, I can respect that.
Yeah I like somebody who has the balls to try something out. Like I said I'm sure it'll end up great. These are just me musing concerns I'm sure aren't too founded. A shame I haven't ascended to upper weebdom so I could buy this game on release.

>>3600817
>These are just me musing concerns I'm sure aren't too founded.
Who knows, it also depends on your expectations and what you want from the game after all. You can be legit disappointed even if the game is good after all, if it doesn't deliver to you there's nothing you can do.

I personally like just to see how far Kawazu and his teams go, so far SaGa didn't really disappoint on that.
There are games that do certain things better, Metal Max for instance has consistently better and richer open worlds than SaGa imho, which is also why I'm excited for Scarlet this time since it seems it will deliver on richer world exploration, Zill O'll had far better nonlinearity and plot handling than SaGa, and a far bigger cast, and again, Scarlet seems to take a few moves from Zill O'll too in terms of cast size and events this time, so more hype for me.

What I like about SaGa is that while it might not be the best at everything it does(though the battle system and character building is unrivalled for me), it does give you a consistent plateau of general quality, MM lacks the finesse of SaGa's battle system and so does Zill O'll and other games, some MM titles fall short in terms of music, most tracks are also the same compositions since MM1 but slightly rearranged for each title, SaGa has consistently 10/10 rich soundtracks with lots of variations, and so on.

And honestly, I just love the madman himself, there's not nearly as many devs capable of coming out with those kind of ideas or even coordinating a team to realize that kind of vision, even if they don't always deliver what they want to, there's not many people so focused on pure gameplay first of all, even if they fuck it all up gloriously with gross oversights and tons of glitches, Kawazu games always have this kind of raw charm to them, with their flaws and all, but they exude a certain kind of personality few games have to this day.

Thinking about playing Unlimited, which stories are good for a first run?

>>3598913
The region map works for others if you gameshark it at least, which is nice

>>3601135

I've been doing Ventus' story first and it seems like a good way to get used to the game, IIRC he's the only character who can do quests endlessly so you don't have to worry as much about fucking yourself over. I've also heard Laura is also a good starting character, but I'm still on Ventus so can't confirm that.

Only semi-related, but I've been playing Vagrant Story recently and I kind of wonder if there's a system designer at Square that has a boner for metallurgy - right down to Iron + Bronze = Steel.

>>3601135
I'd say Ventus, Judy and Ruby are best.
Ventus gives you unlimited quests which means you can grind and rearrange your panels as much as you like, Ruby is a close second because she can abuse Tetraforces, which is even faster than doing carrier quests as Ventus though there is a limit, although large, to how many times you can use a tetraforce to get panels, Judy is also good because her quest is rather short and you get a pretty good cast too.

I wouldn't suggest doing the other characters first, Laura has less adventures and access to less places than most protagonists, her personal boss is also more troublesome than most others, Mythe isn't a great character, he has the toughest personal boss and while he has a few decent characters most of those are a bit hard to build, Kurt is the worse protagonist in terms of potential, his cast requires care in building and one his quests can be very frustrating due to Kurt's gimmick of being forced into timed boss battles, in real time, finally, Armic's quest is the worst because it's centered on commerce, you have to go around forging, buying or trading specific items which requires extra care on a first playthrough as market rank is more important on his quest and you can't grind it there, moreover he has a puzzle boss and a bizzarre cast, so definitely leave him last, he's not that great of a character either gameplay wise.
In order from easy to hard I'd say:
Ventus=Ruby>Judy>Mythe>Laura=Kurt>Armic.
>>3601178
Yeah, it's the same as gamesharking things such as the Raysword, problem is you normally don't have access to it, even though in the early development phase it was supposed to be an item everyone could have, same reason why Rouge comes with the Gate spell even though he can't use it.
>>3601525
Considering VS also has Damascus as the strongest material kinda like Unlimited, it's possible.

>>3602378
>Mythe
Good god I have forgotten almost everything about this game but I remember Mythe.
Knights of the Round
Their Leader
All forms of Chaos

And they don't even play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e74h3taAPpU
which is nice to listen to
They play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snEzG_Hxdfg

And you're going to listen to it a lot. Holy fuckity fucking shit.

Are Guns, Bows, Staffs or Martial Arts any good in Unlimited? I haven't really used them at all on my first playthrough.

Come to think of it I'm pretty sure I've only seen one Gun so far, are they super rare or something?

I have a hard time deciding so I'll let the rng pick for me.

1-3 Ventus
4-6 Ruby
7-9 Judy

>>3603224
ruby is long and spoils some of the best areas to play as side-quests with other characters

it might be better to play in the middle

>>3603301
I doubt I'm going to be playing this thing more than 3 times tops. Definitely not going to pick Kurt or Armic for sure so those two are out and I'm on the fence about Mythe's game.

>>3601523
Laura is alright.
Has a lot of introductory style quests.

She also gets a few powerful items to help with the midgame

>>3602403
Well, Ventus has all of that, but he has a better cast and unlimited adventures to build them however you want, Mythe doesn't, that's the big difference.
Though I love the KoTR' battle theme, it's so fucking groovy.
>>3602556
Guns are worth the effort but are a bit hard to actually use since only Thomas, Mythe and Michelle have guns and finding them in chests is next to impossible, can't forge them either, plus they are extremely dependent on Gun panels as they don't have lines or waza and they have a Miss panel which is actually negative unlike all other waepons, so you have to be extra careful, absolutely devastating during combos though.
Bows are great, kinda like Spears but with better mass attacks from the Random Arrow line and more statuses like Blackout, they are the only thing that can compete with Magic when it comes to attacking groups of enemies, Spears have Reaper from the Grasshopper line but it's nowhere near as good as magic or bows to actually kill things, though it can mass stun.
Staves are great for status effects, they can mass stun, blackout, inflict debuffs and all that jazz, just don't use them as a mean to damage HP or LP and you're fine, they can also block, which is a nice plus.
Martial arts are great, heavy line requires more precise timing but has Raksha which can instakill, medium line has Brute Force which can decrease END and Sinker which can decrease STR and light line has Bodhisattva, Sinker and stuff like Triangle Kick which are great on both HP and LP damage, and you don't have to worry about EN either.
Martial Arts are dependent on character weight though, some character like Anzan or Musol Yanii can't access the light line due to their high weight and most others require either light or almost no equipment to get access to it and Martial Arts panels, unless you're Roy.

>>3603952
>Well, Ventus has all of that, but he has a better cast and unlimited adventures to build them however you want, Mythe doesn't, that's the big difference.
My memories are a bit fractured for the game in general. But these memories stick out really far in my mind for some reason I can't explain

>>3603952

Cool, thanks for all the info, I'll give at least Bows and Martial Arts a try on whichever character I do next, and Guns if I have access to one. Might try giving my mage Staves too.

Speaking of mages Vearst is ridiculous, I gave him as much water support stuff as I could, and stuck water arts on his weapons and accessories, now he can spam Thunderclap hundreds of times per adventure for huge damage to everything.

>>3603956
>But these memories stick out really far in my mind for some reason I can't explain
Oh, I sure can explain my reasons.

Getting raped by Phantom after the marathon against the knights, wondering how many fucking knights are there and then realizing I still had to go through the four phases of Chaos Ruler, and he would have access to Phantom's signature move too.
Now that I know how to play the game it isn't so hard, but back then it was pretty terrifying, especially since I picked Ventus last before Armic so I didn't know about the Knights at all if not by Leon mentioning them during Kurt's story.
It's the longest boss rush in SaGa too, and if you're even slightly unprepared it's going to be one hell of a ride.

>>3603974
>Might try giving my mage Staves too.
Give them one L4 or L5 panel, that's all you need, Stave panels aren't even that good and mages should focus on panels that can raise elemental values more than anything, so pretty much Fortuneteller on their best elements or some joint mastered magic tablets, and if you're daring enough, Phobia Panels.
>Speaking of mages Vearst is ridiculous
Vearst is one of the best potential water mages due to his panel layout and water related Ability score, though you still have to see how ridiculous Judy, Rebecca and Josef are, Josef and Judy are pretty much insane if you get Magic Blender on them, especially due to Josef starting with three magic tablets, one of which is Fire Artist Amati's tablet and Judy staring with a L2 Forbidden Tablet, you haven't seen true mages if you didn't play with Judy's family.

Pic related is a mid tier Judy Panel set, there's not even a L5 panel in there and she can cover basically all elements decently.

Also, remember that what influences damage the most is actually elemental score, not INT value, so always raise Elements before INT.

>>3604015

Magic Blender seems completely broken, I was lucky enough to get a level 4 one on Vearst and he's been by far my best character ever since. I actually got two level 5 Magic Blenders too, except they were both on characters I'm not actually using in battle. I got an Artiste panel at last earlier, hopefully I can finally get some of the higher level materials in shops now.

>>3604036
Magic Blender is terribly strong but the catch is that it's not easy to get and you have to learn the necessary spells to get the magic you want, which means grinding magic tablets, and in the case of Forbidden Magic, hunting down Rainbow Guckies, then you have to build your mages' panels as to give them good elemental values, give them equipment that gives them access to elements and possibly slap some elemental support on them too, I wouldn't say it's broken since you have to earn it and work on it, but it's pretty damn powerful.

>>3604196

Yeah, I can see how it'd be a lot harder to both get in the first place, and to actually learn all the spells you need when you're not on Ventus' quest.

https://twitter.com/SaGa25kawazu/status/795298860201447425

>All of your affection makes me extremely happy. However, even if it was just one person's love, I think I would still be extremely happy. It is because of your feelings that I can't help but keep on going, all of us at Squenix feel so, but I feel I need to say this to you in person.

Fucking hell, old man.
I checked to see if you managed to get that stream going, I didn't ask for this feel.

Anything I need to know about Ruby's quest before I start? I've experimented with the game before but I didn't get very far.

>>3604312
>Anything I need to know about Ruby's quest before I start?
Ruby's quest is pretty long, and consists of a kind of prologue made up by the Travelling with Iskandar questline, which consists of five quests, after that it opens up quite a bit and you can go visit six of the seven wonders, for each of the wonders except the Deities' Table you'll meet a new party member, Mythe will be at the Undercity Pharos, Kong Ming for the Twin Moon Temple, Grace for the Starship Anchor, Anzan for the Nakle Lines and Roy for Avalon.
Ruby has access to a Tetraforce in each of the Seven Wonders and she's the only one who has unlimited turns on all the Seven Wonders quest, the Tetraforce allows you to restore all HP and LP and give you a special session in which you can level up and get new panels, you can use each Tetraforce up to 10 times, for a technical total of 60 level ups added to the other quests in the game, the catch is you can only use a Tetraforce if you're low on LP, the more times you use the Tetraforce the lower the LP requirement for you to use it the next time.

What I personally suggest you to do is doing all the Travelling with Iskandar quests without doing any subquest, then do at least three of the the Seven Wonders that give you a party member so you can build a party in order to maximize the other quests' yields asap.
All characters you get but Mythe and maybe Grace are top tier characters, Anzam is arguably the best tank in the game and potentially the best Earth Mage, Kong Ming is good at anything really ad Roy is Roy, that leaves you with Mythe being mediocre but not garbage and Grace being potentially very good but hard to build properly unless you go on very simple universal builds, which is a bit of a shame considering her potential.

Be aware that Nakle Lines has the toughest boss of all Seven Wonders, Starship Anchor has a pretty tough boss too so unless you feel brave I wouldn't suggest to do those immediately.
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>>3604354
One other thing you need to know, is that some of the Seven Wonders are perfect spots to grind Magic Tablets, The Starship Anchor has a few sections in which you'll fight demons in a timed map related event involving a comet, those can drop Tablets, the Deities' Table has a unique event involving enemies in Mirror Shards that can drop Tablets pretty easily too, the Twin Moon Temple has two fixed chests with Magic Tablets, but you'll need to fight two Elder Dragon to get them, and of course, defuse and unlock them.

I almost forgot, you need to do at least one free adventure after you reach Torle in order to open up the next part of the story, after that go visit Leith Torles' birthplace and you'll trigger a cutscene, remember that you can't go back after selecting one of the wonders so choose wisely and save often.

Telling you more than this would be playing the game for you, so I'll leave the rest up to you.
Slight correction to my post though, I said you technically have 60 level ups from Tetraforces but I forgot you have also a Tetraforce in the last story quest of the games, so you can actually have 70 level ups from tetraforces, though I doubt you'll be grinding in the last dungeon.

>>3604354
>>3604358
Thanks a lot anon, I'll give it a try and see how things turn out. One last thing, how am I supposed to read panels properly for stat growth?

>>3604450
>how am I supposed to read panels properly for stat growth?
This is a bit of a complex matter and you should really read a in depth mechanics FAQ for that, but I'll try to summarize basic panel building as best as I can.

First of all, all characters have innate growth rates, much like games like Frontier.

Those growth rates are divided into two main sections, Ability potential and Elemental Potential.

Ability potential is basic raw stat growth, this section lets you know more or less what a character is good at on a really basic stat level, the Stats are Strength(Punch symbol), Skill(Sword Symbol), Endurance(Biceps Symbol), Magic(Staff Symbol) and Spirit(Heart Symbol), the minimum potential value is 1 while the maximum is 5.

Strength influences damage for Martial Arts/Swords/Spears/Staves/Axes.
Skill influnces damage for Knives, Bows and Guns, it also influences accuracy, LP damage potential, LP defense potential and character speed.
Magic influences damage with spells.
Endurance gives you resistance to Physical statuses.
Spirit gives you resistance to Mental Statuses.

The second section is elements, the higher the base elemental value the higher the damage/HP restoration from the associated elemental spell.

However, characters all have a different layout when it comes to these two layers, some characters will also start with cursed panels that cannot be removed, with the exception of Michelle on Mythe's story, due to the different position layout of both potential layers each character requires different building design depending on both their nature and the role you want them to have.
A classic example of this kind of panel building design is Anzan, Anzan has superb Earth potential and both END and SPR potential, however, his panel layout is made so that you have to decide whether you want to maximize his amazing spell potential or making him STR focused(His STR and SKL scores suck by the way).
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Now, the third part is knowing what panel does what and which panel has the best stat growth you need.

I won't go in depth with the growth value of every panel because I'd need to check a wiki or a FAQ for that and copypasting many sheets of info, generally, the panels have two main growth bonuses, Stat and Element growth, keep in mind that even in the same panel categories each different panel gives you specific stat bonuses, Dagger panels give more SKL points than Sword Panels for instance.
Category wise, panels work more or less like this:

-Weapon Panels: These panels make it easy for you to learn waza and modify your attack reel so you can get more waza slots in the reel, high Stat growth, low Element Growth.
-Key Panels: These panels grant you thieving related utilities such as defusing traps, picking locks, listening to your surroundings and so on, they mainly raise SKL, good Stat growth, low Element Growth.
-Magic Tablets: These panels let you equip a tablet and learn spells from it, you can only learn spells this way, these panels are good for mages because they raise elemental value and MAG, when mastered they also give a slight element bonus depending on the panel, good elemental growth, low Stat growth.
-Defense Panels: these panels give you more resistance to statuses or more defense, some are exclusives to certain characters, Great Stat growth, bad Element growth
-Familiar Panels: Gives you a Familiar of a different element, Familiars let you cast spells based on their levels or use a Field skill related to their nature, a must for mages, good element growth, terrible stat growth.
-Exploration panels: These let you explore your surroundings and also perform actions such as swimming, a must for certain quests, they're geared toward Stat growth more than elemental growth.
-Expert Panels: these panels decrease the HP cost of magic or waza or might even nullify EN cost, depending on their types they're geared on either Stat or elemental growth.

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-Meister Panels: Like having multiple weapons/ Martial Arts panels in one, with the associated effects too, great Stat growth, meh elemental growth
-Magic Blender: Allows you to fuse spells if you have learned them through a magic tablet, contrary to what you might think, they're actually geared towards Stat growth rather than elemental growth.
-Negotiation panels: These panels have a variety of effects, they can drive away monsters and give you a variety of shop related effects, like giving you better deals or more items in the shops, they GENERALLY give you good Elemental growth and poor stat growth.
-Fortuneteller: Fortuneteller is a fun panel, it lets you alter the content of a chest if you win at the reel by increasing the chests' level, the higher the level of the chest the more difficult the reel. The best Elemental growth panel bar none, terrible stat growth.
Item/Smith panel: These panels are Artiste, Quick Fix and Smith(Mythe Only), Artiste lets you see special items in the shops and makes the character better at awakening lines on his/her equipped items, Quick Fix restores weapons' or accessories' EN on the field up to 20 EN, while Smith panels let Mythe have access to different smithing options in his workshop, good Stat Growth(Mythe's smith panels kinda suck tho), bad Elemental growth.
-Gauntlet: Kurt and Michelle only, in Kurt's case the Gauntlet panel will force you in a special battle each 15 IRL minutes(the clock keeps on going even on menus or if you're idling), Michelle doesn't have such effect. Moreover, Kurt CANNOT remove his gauntlet panel but he can level it up as long as you win the Gauntlet battles, Michelle can remove hers during Mythe's story. Best Stat growth in the game, but oh wait, it's in the central panel slot anyway HAHAHAHAHAH IT FUCKING SUCKS.
-Pacifist Panels: These panels forbid you from attacking a species, if you do you receive LP damage, pretty good growth all around
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-Phobia Panel: These panels severely gimp your attack towards a race, but they make up by having great Elemental growth.
Seal Panels: These panels seal access to a certain weapon, so you cannot use any line's waza, pretty good growth and bonuses all around.

Do note that Gauntlet/Phobia/Seal and Pacifist panels CANNOT be removed once placed on the panel layout and they can only be overwritten by panels of the same type.

Lastly, panels of the same type put in a certain set of position give you stat bonuses too.
The position bonuses are:

Joint:Two adjacent panels of the same type.
Line:Three of the same type forming a straight line
Triangle:Three panels in a triangular position.

In this>>3604015 pic you can see Judy has two triangle bonuses made up by a Magic Tablet and Familiar combination, you get a better bonus for each kind of combo by having panels of the same level.

Wew, I guess that's all, nevertheless, do check an indepth FAQ as this is a basic summary of panels, as long as it might seem, it's a supercondensed explanation, and I might also have messed up something.

How the fuck do I into Mikhail's war game in RS3?

Jesus Christ I've tried everything already
Gush Wind + Spd Atk Fwd sometimes work, but its basically suicide
Backwater is strong but slow as fuck, I always get pushed back
Defense oriented tactics suck dick

The most I got is timing Explode Team right to take out a good chunk, but it seems all my niggas suck at attacking and if they even touch my leader he dies.

Is grinding discouraged? I skimmed through the FAQ and have decided to start with The Final Fantasy Legend. I think I need to get some potions and better gear. Getting to the town southeast of Base Town made me feel unprepared but I don't know if that's just the game

>>3604591
Thanks, panels sound kind of complicated but I figure that this is something that I'll learn as the game goes along.

>>3604243
Where the fuck is my english RS2 vita port god damn it?!

>>3604772
the war game and economy game are 2 of the things that i despise most about romasaga 3, fuck that shit I'll never play mikhail or harid because of it, and just outright say no to fullbright

A couple more questions about Unlimited, is it worth keeping a Quick Fix panel on someone?

Also what's the deal with Martial Arts? Ruby's basic punch attack changed to Hummingbird while the others are using Uppercut.

>>3605251
you should have quick fix at all times, it can repair any item with less than 20 EN up to 20. It's pretty important when you get stranded.

Martial arts classes go like this:

Have Panel/Lightweight: Lightweight Punch/Kick/Throw
No Panel/Lightweight OR Have Panel/Heavyweight: MiddleWeight punch/kick/throw
No Panel/Heavyweight: Heavyweight Punck/Kick, Middleweight Throw

If you have the Punch Panel, having the Kick and Throw panels makes it easier to qualify for lightweight.

All forged equipment has no weight. Found equipment and bought equipment has weight. If your hands and accessory slots are forged, then your weight is (Char.Wgt.+BootsWgt.+ArmorWgt.+HatWgt). Every character has a different unchangable weight stat. Anzam is the heaviest and Roy is the lightest.

Being a lighter weight makes you act sooner and has effects similar to skill, being heavy makes you hit harder and has effects similar to strength.

>>3604772
Mikhail's war minigame seems good on paper, but just like the Market minigame it's actually terrible if you think there's any deep strategy to it.
Basically, it all revolves around momentum, formations might help you out during some particular battles but the truth is, you win through momentum, that is timing your limited commands to up your army's morale to crush the enemy.
To this day, the best tactic I've found is baiting the enemy going forward then immediately switching to full defense as soon as the enemy begins attacking, that will make the enemy morale drop faster than yours, after it reaches zero make some offensive order to further bait the AI to use their own Explode commands then switch immediately back to defending, after the AI wastes their command use yours to crush them.
It doesn't always work but it's far more reliable than trying to use any sort of different tactic.
Also, iirc soldier types follow a rule similar to the weapon triangle of FE, though I don't remember exactly how the triangle works.
The market minigame is the same, it revolves around three commands, making gifts, throwing a party and halting the rivals' communications, though at least there you have some more depth since you should prepare for the second phase by buying all the smaller firms orderly in the first one, then crushing everything with sheer capital.
>>3604830
You can grind in the GB games as they don't have BR.
>>3604945
Stuck in localization limbo, hammer.
>>3605251
>is it worth keeping a Quick Fix panel on someone?
Yep, at least until you have access to a Blacksmith and have a good amount of resources to not need it.
>Ruby's basic punch attack changed to Hummingbird
Hummingbird is the light line basic punch, it means that Ruby's weight is in the Light line range and you have a Punch panel, if you want to keep using Hummingbird don't put any more weight on her and/or remove the punch panel, otherwise you'll go back to the medium line.

>>3604830
Grind all you want. It'll make most of it feel like a cakewalk, but later in the game the difficulty ramps up quite a bit. You'll be glad you overprepared.

Where should I go from here with Ruby? I've pretty much just dumped things where they looked like they were giving the best bonuses.

>>3606838
she's real good at magic and fire, so having Martial arts on the left and botttom left and fortune teller on the right and bottom right is a good place to start

I think I might play ventus next just so I can use ruby with two triangle formations using martial arts and fortunetelling.using the center panel as a dump

>>3606838
Consider Ruby's talents and think about what you want to do with her.

Ruby's growth is:
STR:3
SKL:1
MAG:4
END:4
SPR:4
She has decent STR which works well with Axes, Spears, Swords or Staves, her terrible SKL means Daggers or Bows aren't gonna be all that good on her unless you put a load of panels to compensate it, she has very good END and SPR, meaning she'll resist status easily, which is good, her MAG score is a nice bonus, though elements are far more important it's not a bad idea to use that too.

Her elemental value is:
Fire:4
Water:2
Metal:1
Earth:1
Wood:2
So as long as you don't want to use offensive spells other than fire ones you can make a very good offensive spellcaster, Fire is focused on strong offensive spells like Holy Seal, Corona and Crimson Flare, and Fire Arrows is great as a basic spell due to its piercing properties.

You can use Martial Art or Axe panels to raise her stats and then focus on magic tablets/familiar/fortuneteller panels to raise her arsenal as a spellcaster.
You can make a double L5+L4 triangle joint bonus with Martial Art panels for a kung Fu Ruby so she can be a good HP attacker, not to mention the light weight and skill bonus relative to lighter weight with all those martial art panels will counterbalance her terrible SKL while allowing you to put some better armor.

You can make her a Fire Knight by using swords or axes and fire magic, her STR makes her decent with swords or axes as they're HP focused weapons in terms of damage, her high fire score will also grant her a good spellcasting power even without joint bonuses on her Fire Panels, though characters like Armand or Laura are much better suited for this kind of build.

Or you can go for a raw, generic axe/spear build, anyone can use those and become a good character, even Kurt and Pharr, though it makes the game hella boring, I consider those kind of layout a last resort for weak characters that I'm too lazy to build properly more than anything.

>>3607260
All I really do with Ruby so far is just spam Light Martial so I'll double up on that and have some magic on the side for slimes. I did some questing a couple times (couldn't finish the Mural sidequest) so I have a Fire Tablet Level 1 lying around to go on Ruby.

For my other members, Hiro and Iskandar are physical and Sapphire's a fire mage. I'll probably have member 5 be a thief and the 6th character be an extra mage.

>>3607282
Get Anzam for an anchor.

>>3607282
>(couldn't finish the Mural sidequest)
Lucky Gliphs? You need Swimming panels for that, you can't complete it otherwise.
If you mean the Cave Murals one, that's a pretty tough one to do early on, the Mural monsters, like mimics, can drop magic tablets, if you have Detect Gold you can use it on those to up your chances of getting a tablet.

If I can make a suggestion, imo Hiroyuki is perfect for a dagger/spear thief build, I'm telling you this because all the other characters but Sapphire and to an extent Grace/Kong Ming are generally much better off doing something else with their layouts. Hiro has great potential with SKL builds because he has a 3 in SKL and 4 in STR, which allow him to be great with both daggers and spears

Broskandar is awesome on basically anything no matter how you build him, unless you make him a wood or metal mage for some reason, and he'd still make a good hybrid anyway considering wood and metal have great utilities. Though it's very easy to make him a powerful physical attacker, give him a martial art and a spear/axe triangle and watch him wreck shit, and he can even tank well.

>>3607320
Ruby had swimming but I kept running out of time. Judging by what you're saying though, it sounds like putting a fire tablet on Ruby and a metal on Sapphire sounds like the best choices.

Shifting Hiro over to a thief isn't a problem and it frees up some of my later joiners to do other things. I'll probably go for Grace, Kong Ming and probably Anzam as my early joiners out of the 7 Wonders quests.

>>3607338
Sapphire has just a 2 in metal, so she won't be a good metal mage unless you use only support, Grace has a 3 and comes with most water spells prelearned, including the awesome Ice Needle, so if you want, she can be your Metal/Water mage, she also has the best Metal score in Ruby's quest, consider that if you manage to find some high level Metal tablets. A L3 Metal Familiar comes with Detect Gold, so you can just give one to Sapphire and keep her as another fire mage or a thief with magic support for tablet drops.

If you want to get Anzan soon by doing the Nakle Lines quest early make sure you have equipment with Life Protection and possibly resistance to Paralysis, because the Nakle Lines boss, is extremely tough and can likely walk all over you if you're even slightly underpowered. It's worth it to do so because Anzan is a great character, but it's pretty hard, and the mandatory minibosses in the Nakle Lines can eat your LP pretty fast, getting Roy, Kong Ming or Grace first would be a wiser plan, but it's up to you.
Keep in mind you cannot access the Nakle Lines' tetraforce until you beat all 5 minibosses, so you have no easy mean to heal you LP, unlike other Wonders.

>>3607349
In that case, then I should be covered if Sapphire/Grace/Kong Ming handle all of my magic duties.

I'll push Anzam down then since his dungeon sounds pretty hard.

>>3607356
As long as you get two other party members you should be more or less fine for the Nakle Lines, Roy and Kong Ming are pretty good candidates as Avalon is super easy except for the boss and the Twin Moon Temple is more or less the same, but with optional bosses.

I did get Anzan as soon as I got Grace on my recent Ruby run, but Tagut steamrolled me three times before I killed him, and it was all thanks to Anzan's superb tanking that I even stood a chance, if I did a better market rank and better panels it would have probably been easier, but I carelessly speedran because I wanted to get Anzan early, and I got what I deserved.

>>3607365
So basically, get Grace/Roy/Kong Ming in whatever order and then go for Anzam? Sounds fine to me.

Planning on getting the most out of those Tetraforces.

>>3607371
That's the plan if you want a smooth playthrough.
The bosses in the other Wonders will also help you sparking better techs to use against Tagut, so it's a net gain unless you really, really want Anzan early on, which is hardly viable without a good market rank and panels.

This >>3575236 anon here, finally got around to starting Romancing Saga 3 a few days ago.

Goddamn this game is fantastic. I love the freedom in this game compared to most RPGs, it reminds me a lot of a late 80s CRPG in that way. It's also extremely addictive for some reason, I just have to pry myself away from playing it after a while. Can't think of many RPGs where I've actually wanted to fight every single battle I've come across. That stat increasing system is so rewarding, and you never know what you'll get after each battle so it's pretty exciting to fight everything you come across. I also like how scarce gold is, makes the various quests so much more rewarding. Getting new techniques to trigger is the only slight issue I have with the game, and even that's not a huge deal.

>>3607421
Glad you enjoy it brother, welcome to SaGa.
Modern SaGa games are like that, the fact that you like the basic system means you'll probably enjoy the series as a whole, while the ruleset changes a lot and there's unique features to each game, the spirit is the same, freedom, gameplay that rewards knowledge of the system, mystery and adventures.
You should give Frontier a whirl after you're done with RomaSaGa 3.
>I also like how scarce gold is
Ah, to be new to SaGa again...
Maybe I shouldn't tell you how to get gold easily, not like gold is that important in the first place.

>>3607473
>You should give Frontier a whirl after you're done with RomaSaGa 3.
Will do, that seems to be the other introductory game people recommend. Afterwards I'll probably work out an order for myself to play the games through, but leave RomaSaGa 2 for last.

>Ah, to be new to SaGa again...
Maybe I shouldn't tell you how to get gold easily, not like gold is that important in the first place.
It's an aspect I'm enjoying, particularly in such a free RPG as this. I gathered that, like most RPGs, money becomes no object after a while, but at least this game does it in an entertaining way at first.

>>3607609
>I gathered that, like most RPGs, money becomes no object after a while

It's not that really, it's just that with a few exceptions money isn't really that important in SaGa games and there's tons of exploits, glitches or legit shop loops, that can net you more money than you'll ever know what to do with it.

In RomaSaGa 3 you really don't need money at all outside of one quest and buying spells, which are mostly cheap anyway, the equipment you can forge at Nora's smithy is free of charge and you hardly need multiple pieces because there's tons of equipment in chests that you can find, so that Nora's smithy becomes more of a place you go to after finishing a quest or a dungeon to pick up some extra free item or an upgrade, Mikhail gets two items of the same kind and you don't even need to fetch the necessary ingredients.

Generally speaking, money is hardly a problem in SaGa, only RomaSaGa 2, Unlimited and to a degree Minstrel Song need you to be careful with your money, and even then Unlimited lets you carry Market Rank in NG+ so you can completely break the economy as soon as you find a piece of silver or Iron in a shop and Minstrel Song has a lot of ways to make easy money, although they're not as stupid or broken as Unlimited and the previous games, Minstrel Song mostly requires you to know what to spend your money on and how to get money fast enough, which is a rather important layer of game planning in itself for a good number of reasons.

As you get better and understand the system a bit more you'll see that SaGa is generally more about knowing how and when to loot dungeons proficiently than making and spending money, it also helps that you don't need to spend money on potions, some games don't even have potions in the first place and if they do they're nothing more than a crutch for the first minutes of gameplay when you don't have access to magic or other healing abilities.

>Iskandar gets a level 4 waza before Hiro can spark a single spear waza or for Ruby to get anything above a level 2 martial

Why is this guy so based?

>>3607779
>Why is this guy so based?
He's motherfucking Iskandar and that Weapon Meister panel helps quite a bit, I guess.
You'll learn more about him as you conquer the Seven Wonders, though the game doesn't directly tell you how absurdly broken he is lore wise you'll get a vague idea when Ruby will see the past and the future in a dream near the end of her quest.

I wonder how they'll justify him being not a gamebreaker in Imperial SaGa, because that will take either some serious retcon or mental gymnastic.
Then again, they came up with ridiculous bullshit such as the Demon King piloting the Egg to assimilate Saruin and Mech God somehow destroying undeads on the surface of the planet from the fucking moon, they'll probably pull off something even crazier.

>>3607813
He's pretty cool and based, lost a lot of lp to the midboss dragon but i'm not too hung up about it as yet. Tetraforce grinding doesn't really matter so much until when I have everyone.

>That last part
What's going on in US?

>>3607818
>What's going on in US?

I stopped playing about two months ago because I've been too busy to bother, but main plot wise they've brought in Fuse's questline from his short novel and the various bosses from Frontier, the weekly event quests were mostly comedic filler outside of RomaSaGa 2 ones which I suppose picked up parts of the manga and adapted them to the game with some minor adjustments.

Generally, event quests give more space to NPCs and classic enemies, the last Valentine's day quest for instance involved Vergil being bored and teleporting Claudia, Ellen, Asellus, Ginny and Rocbouquet to his castle to do some dressup dance battle contest, fun thing is the battle worked more or less like Frontier so you'd receive more evaluation points if you made a 5 man combo successfully, and you could buy some event related items with those points such as a limited edition Rocbouquet. Then again, I don't know how much they added to the game since two/three months, I'll check it out when I'll have some time.
The other purpose of event quests is introducing characters, all the new characters are introduced through quests instead of just being added like they did in the past, that also ties Imperial to the other games' lore as it explains that Disnomia opens portals to various timelines or hypothetical continuities of other SaGa titles, Labelle for instance comes from the SaGa Frontier 2 novel instead of the game like most of the other cast, that is why she can't understand why Wil is with Cody, because in the novel Cody dies and Wil marries her, same with Rich being alive and being finally happy with Ginny and Diana, Viktor not getting killed by Kujinshi, the Seven Heroes existing as both corrupted and normal and Sargon not turning into the Fire Lord.

It's more or less the SaGa Valhalla.

Which makes me wonder how the hell could they put Iskandar in there, since being a parallel dimension prompts Iskandar's major plot point.

Starship Anchor wasn't too bad, got a lot of good things out of it like Reverse Delta and quite a few Level 4 panels. Don't know why Ruby doesn't want to spark anything even with Level 4 Punch and Kick on her board.

>>3607664
>As you get better and understand the system a bit more you'll see that SaGa is generally more about knowing how and when to loot dungeons proficiently than making and spending money, it also helps that you don't need to spend money on potions, some games don't even have potions in the first place and if they do they're nothing more than a crutch for the first minutes of gameplay when you don't have access to magic or other healing abilities.
Huh, good to know, thanks.

Yeah, I am starting to get the impression that this game is about being quite self-reliant. The fact that you can go into one area, go around it for a while, and ultimately end up significantly more powerful when you leave just from all the battles fought did give me the impression that it's less about individual items and currency and more about leveling up your characters the correct way, getting those skill levels and new moves in particular. Probably the most satisfying system I've ever seen in an RPG.

I still really haven't seen anything about smithing in this game yet, so I may come back to ask about that in a few days if I really just don't find out much about it.

>>3608412
Great, good job defeating the lich/cosmic sage.
Give Ruby some time, she'll eventually learn stuff, you can do the Amulet Tower quest in Escata or once you get access to Vaftom, the Knight's Mausoleum quest, the Giants in there are perfect for sparking waza, just use up all your turns and repeat them as much as you like.
>>3608682
>it's less about individual items and currency and more about leveling up your characters the correct way
Yeah, you got that right.
It's really evident the moment you realize that the stark differences in RPG design between SaGa and most other games are actually extremely basic yet game changing.
Potions items being almost non existent or having no dedicated revival item or spell already infringes the common design based around resource management of most RPGs, SaGa's resource management is actually that, not just buying up fuel and gear for characters, it's far more focused on your general gameplay tools, as in a character's potential role and how to build it around what you need or what you find, how to properly equip and most importantly, nurture it in the way you need or want, all with a great amount of freedom and depth in actual customization, the characters gtow according to how you use them, it's a great blend of Nurture VS Nature and Nurture & Nature.
You can use a character according to its natural talents or try something completely different and try to make up for its weakness in a certain area, the more you understand how the game works the more the game opens up in terms of possibilities, given that you like how the game is structured of course, not many can stomach SaGa's open and seemingly RNG driven gameplay.
As you'll play other titles and learn to use different systems such as more complex smithing, the Chip system, monster ecology, treasure hunting, combos and other stuff you'll get a clearer idea of the general philosophy of SaGa games.

>>3609004
I'm stuck between deciding whether to go after Kong Ming or Roy next. I'm leaning more on the former so I can get all of the mages out of the way before I start tablet hunting.

Having access to Tetraforces is pretty useful when you want to put down a panel somewhere temporarily for grinding and then take it off when you're ready to build someone properly. I did that with Sapphire when I needed to move Fortuneteller 4 to the correct spot.

>there is a character limit in Romancing SaGa 3 that I have never encountered before
what the fuck? How have I not run into this before over the 10 times I've played this game?

SaGa games always find ways to astound me with each playthrough, for better or for worse

>>3609037
Try not to play for 40 hours like I did, the end-game isn't that hard.

>>3609037
Kong Ming starts with two magic tablets and has quite the selection of spells you can grind out of those, Twin Moon Temple also has two fixed tablets in the chest guarded by the sub bosses, so you can handily master the L2 tablet and move on putting the other two you get from the chests in a formation for joint bonuses.
Roy is Roy, there's not much I can't tell you about him besides that he's basically reverse Anzan in a way and he's very easy to build, especially if you make him a martial artist.
Overall, Ruby has a really strong cast, the only weak link is Mythe, but at least you can completely forget about his Smith panels and simbly build him as a water mage, even Grace is a pretty good character, although kind of hard to build properly.