/vr/ - Retro Games

>2016
>not having a 16/9 black and white crt

>>3597571
Why would such a thing exist?

why do red colors tend to bleed more than others?

Friendly reminder not to fall for the SCART, RGB, or PVM memes.

>>3597703
Friendly reminder that don't fall for memes are a thing.

>>3597703

>>3597703
I don't know why people post in crt threads if they don't own a pvm.
If you aren't playing on a pvm then why bother?
It's like taking your Ford Taurus to a Lamborghini only cruise nite. I mean yeah they are both tecnhically cars but cmon bro, goml.

>>3597703
I may be retarded, but I will never be as retarded as this guy.

>>3597739
That really looks bad.

>>3597723
antiscart is a dick, but /crt/ also isn't a pvm-only only club.

>>3597723
https://youtu.be/hq__iSlvxUY?t=48s
What's wrong? People being comfy with their glorious folded >1000x V6 instead of a finicky expensive Italian 12 got you upset?

>Lamborghinifags

>>3597571
https://www.flickr.com/photos/49668577@N02/6798880011/
That's awesome! This is going on my grail list for sure.

>>3597576
I can only assume the manufacturer got hold of a bunch of surplus tubes intended for super high end CRT projectors.

>>3597693
They're brighter

>>3597693
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling

http://fairbanks.craigslist.org/ele/5855365647.html
think this is worth going to look at?

>>3598028
>vector
HELL TO THE YEAH

That would look great in your loft.

Service manuals etc are here:
http://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=6940
Hopefully it's just an internal fuse or something along those lines. I can't imagine those Electrohome monitors are easy to replace or repair up there in the frozen wastes.

>>3598040
I was thinking the same thing but...
http://www.aaarpinball.com/AsteroidsDeluxe/AsteroidsDeluxe.htm

This guy had a bunch of stuff to fix. Maybe they are common probems though?

Shit is popping up all over there's a Daytona twin cab too but that's $1100
http://fairbanks.craigslist.org/vgm/5831869545.html
a free 14" s-video pro crt.
http://anchorage.craigslist.org/ele/5854005596.html

but it's 300mi away.

>>3597739
I'm new and also retarded what's wrong with this

From the last thread, I'm dealing with a non-working Trinitron. The screen goes black with no image after a couple of seconds. The person who replied to me asked me a couple of questions, here are the answers. It's a Sony Trinitron WEGA KV - 27FS120, and there is no blinking of the power light when I turn it off.

>>3597757
What looks bad? Seems like good sharp colors.

>>3598072
It's gay.

Friendly reminder not to fall for the SCART, RGB, or PVM memes.

>>3598072
hd retrovision does a color space conversion to ypbpr for people without rgb inputs, and he's using this on a high end rgb monitor which doesn't need the conversion, and only stands to lose picture quality like white balance

it's like taking flac files and converting to mp3 before playing on your nice new stereo

>>3598245
but mp3s on a high end stereo still sound better than flac on a crap set. Kind of like how this BVM looks better in ypbpr than probably some 14" sony pvm with RGB

>>3598260
The issue is that his BVM already supports RGB and the conversion is completely unnecessary.

>>3598330
I know, I have a BVM. My point was its more of the TV itself that makes or breaks the picture quality versus the input signal.

>>3598336
What does that have to do with anything?

>>3598338
"it's like taking flac files and converting to mp3 before playing on your nice new stereo"

This is my submission. There's some fucking up in the lower right corner, but I don't know how to fix that and don't really know if I care enough. Does anyone know what that's about?

Virtual Console games can run in this "secret" 240p mode, or something, I learned. It looks pretty good.

Should I consider buying a sony BVM with 72k hours on it, or is that too much power on time?

>>3598370
No. Don't fall for the meme.

>>3598370
Don't buy a BVM

>>3598385
>>3598391

If I have the money to buy one, why shouldn't I?

>>3598370
my d20 has 60k+ hours and is fantastic.

don't over pay though, i was upset i paid 500 for it and for shipping (OMG I HAD IT SHIPPED????)

>>3598426
Looks way too sharp, so everything looks like shit.

>>3598370
I'm currently running two BVMs.

One cost me ~$100 and has 4k hours. The other cost $13 and has 86k. Original tubes on both.

Following calibration they both look identical.

>>3598439
Where did you find those deals??

>>3598920
eBay

Gotta go fast!

What do I need to know about hooking up to a BVM? I think I see the same Sony BVM-A20F1-U with 72k hours on it as >>3598370
and I have been hearing great things about the monitor, but I do not know if I should spend the hundreds of dollars the seller is asking for.

As pictured, I hook up my systems via JP21 cables to my computer CRT monitors, but I have to use the XRGB2 to convert it to VGA (31kHz). The gSCARTsw (JP21 edition) does have a VGA output (15kHz) which I think I could buy a VGA to BNC(?) which connects up to one of those cards that are inserted into a BVM. I am really in need of help knowing what sort of cards and hookups I'd need if I were to purchase this monitor. Thanks for the help.

>>3599464
You go JP21 to BNC breakout

>>3599480
Okay, know the model number of the BNC card which the BVM uses?

My current computer monitor has BNC hookups but it is 5 cables (Red, Green, Blue, and I think one for vertical sync and one for horizontal sync) which is what my PC is using right now. However from the pictures I see online, the BVM's BNC has 4 plugs (red, green, blue, and I think both sync combined?), is that correct?

I appreciate the answer, which is one way I can utilize the switches I have. Yes, these are the systems I have for RGB output (well, not the WonderMega, but I have an actual MD/MCD2/S32X) and I'm still thinking if paying something similar to >>3598427 would be worth it. Especially when now I got to buy some new cables to go with a BVM plus control module (and the right hookup card).

>>3599517
I don't know the model numbers but all the pro crt's i've seen use RGBS. You should be able to use a bnc switch and hook c-sync through H sync only. Not sure though. Someone will chime in.

Am I right in thinking a curved CRT would be better than a flat screen one?

>>3599464
> I think I could buy a VGA to BNC(?) which connects up to one of those cards that are inserted into a BVM.
yep, this guy did it
https://youtu.be/E70sL-v918I?t=6m30s

>>3598439
I'll buy that 4khr BVM off you for $200 (and cover shipping), that's double your profit

>>3599464
a radeon hd 4/5/6/7XXX card, flash it with atom-15 and use crt_emudriver 2.0. I don't know if these cards can use c-sync. if not you will need a umsa scart adapter and a scart to 4 bnc breakout

>>3599770
>>3599784
Ah! Thanks I realize there's a 4BNC and a 5BNC. My current monitor (Sony GDM-FW900) uses 5BNC ... and it appears the BVM uses a 4BNC. A VGA (or D-sub15) connector to 4BNC is around $10-$14USD ... so that opens up the BVM option to me. Thanks so much.

The seller is asking $400USD for the monitor, and I really don't know if I should drop that kind of money on it, it is a bit much for me. The temptation is strong.

>>3599464
Beware that BVM-A models were primarily intended as SDI monitors and as such an analog card was not supplied as standard and quite often not specified by the end user.

At the very least you're going to want a BKM-68X but the full line up of compatible cards is outlined here:

http://www.sony.co.uk/res/attachment/file/08/1133797571408.pdf

>>3599839
Thanks for the pdf ... the seller mentions it comes with the 61D and 62HS. Which means another $110 on my behalf to be able to use the monitor.

So $400 for the BVM, $12 for the cable, and $110 ... guess my dreams are dashed for the time being. Thanks everyone, you've been a great help. The time just conspired against me to go BVM.

>>3599863
Wasn't there an UK guy here that had BKM-68Xs by the boatload ?

>>3599916
Doubtful. Those are hard to get hold of for the reasons I mentioned in >>3599839

I did mention a few threads ago that I had some surplus 21Ds but have since pressed them into service for extra YPbPr and RGsB inputs. I don't think they're compatible with the BVM-A series anyhow.

>>3598124
>>3598124

>>3599746
They definitely have better geometry, the only benefits flat screen crts have is probably they weigh less and they're more recently made than curved one, typically with better inputs.

>>3600232
Flats are way heavier than round ones

>>3599746
>>3600232
Flat tubes require thicker glass and as such are considerably heavier than curved tubes. Additionally, flat tubes don't necessarily have worse geometry; they just have different distortions. It is important to note; however, that for the flat tubes only the high end monitors will have good geometry.

>>3600275
Flat tube is a flat tube. High end models are just as prone to distortions than cheaper ones.

>>3599823
You can use the 5 BNC cable for both. You just leave one of the BNCs dangling. (you can also use the 4 BNC cable for the FW900, it supports composite sync)

>>3600275
>>3600246
Oops, looks like I had that the other way round. Anyway there isn't enough of a difference between round and flat to warrant avoiding one or the other.

Helping a friend out. He bought a Sharp curved CRT and a JVC flat. He asked me to calibrate them for a few dollars, but I always do Sony, Mits, or Ikegami.

He dropped them off. No remotes for either, but the issues they have are service menu fixable. Anyone know if you need remotes for both of them? I got into the service on the Sharp, with button presses on the tv itself, but the menus are cryptic as fuck, even for a service menu (all v01, v02, v03... No actual identification of what they change) which leads me to believe the menu is not the actual service menu.

Promise I am not new to this. My universal won't let me get into the menus either. Probably answering myself, but I need OEM remotes, huh?

But what about the cryptic bs sharp is pulling... Any help there?

>>3600286
No

>>3598351
whats the model? my pvm has a similar thing but its barely noticeable

>>3600286
Every tube has distortions whether flat or curved, and whether flat or curved higher end tubes will have less of them.

Curved tubes have a distortion caused by having curved glass, but are less prone to bowing and linearity issues. Flat tubes eliminate the curved glass distortion, but are more prone to bowing and linearity issues. A low end flat tube (such as an Emerson) will have uncorrectable bowing and severe linearity problems; while a high end tube will not suffer from uncorrectable bowing and will have minor linearity problems.

Whether you prefer curved or flat will be decided by which distortions you find less objectionable.

>>3600501
not true. I have the highest consumer CRT ever made and it has the infamous vertical bow. It can't be fixed.

>>3600657
Eh, if you mean the xbr960, then yeah, me too.

But I managed to fix everything in the service menu except for the way the bottom right slowly ramps down offscreen. You have enough options to fix literally anything but a sagging electron gun. Which is what I have read causes my issue.

>>3600057
>I don't think they're compatible with the BVM-A series anyhow.
They're not. Card as compatible between the first generation BVMs and second generation BVM-Ds as far as I know, but the A's require their own specific stuff.

>>3600657
I have a JVC F734, a Sony XS955, and a Diamond Pro 2070SB; none of which exhibit bowing.

Any recs on a splitter/distribution amp that would work with component video or RGsB over rca plugs?

Alternatively, can I just buy two of these cheapos, use one for y/pb/pr using the L/R audio ports, and the other one for audio? I don't see why that wouldn't at least function, IQ issues aside.

I was also thinking you could accomplish this with just a single s-video+composite distribution amp (radioshack brand ones are dirt cheap now) and get adapters for the s-video ports to break out Y/C, and just use those for two of the five signals. But I have doubts that will work properly because I think composite input gets forwarded to s-video, at least that's what mine does when there's a composite signal coming in.

>>3601070
Not him, but wondering how this would work for side-by-side comparisons. Would it introduce any artifacts? I assume there would be some unavoidable, though possibly not unplayable lag.

Also, link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2in-x-4out-Component-Video-Stereo-RCA-Audio-Splitter-Distribution-Amplifier-Amp-/221567179660?hash=item33966edb8c:g:y~sAAOSwU9xUMGyD

>>3601112
its just a distribution amp, there will be no lag.. I'd go with an extron.

>>3597723
I own a PVM MD-19 I dont use it anymore because I found a much nicer 36 inch Non PVM
800 lines of scan is nice but unless you have one thats in really good low hour condition you're better off with a consumer trinitron.

Also I can say with my own eyes that there are better TV sets for 8 and 16 - bit gaming. than a PVM

BVM
Olympus (VERY RARE to find one larger than 14 inch)
Fujitsu
RCA made an HT - SRS that you can optionally split the screen and have 2 things going at once.

this thread is open to all CRT's as long as ( to me in my opinion) they are nifty, high tech, aesthetically pleasing, and of course good picture and lines..

Hey folks, I could use some counseling here.

Got one of these bad boys and it has composite out, S-video out and VGA out. I was thinking of using soft15khz or CRT_Emudriver since it apperantly supports it and use it for a emulation/mame rig. Problem is my CRT only has Scart RGB and nothing else.

What are my best options? VGA to Scart? S-Video to RGB scart I can't find any converters.

>>3601346
lol you don't know what you're talking about. I own a 20" olympus OEV 203 and its the exact same as teh pvm-20m2mdu. They are not rare, they come up on dotmed all the time.

>>3601493
There's also the OEV-201 which is great if you want a white Mitsubishi goldfish bowl.

>>3601487
The S-Video on any graphic card will convert the image to 480i and there is absolutely no way to change that, it seems to upscales from the directly from the hardware.
There is absolutely no use for S-Video unless you're planning to emulate 6th gen video game consoles.

VGA signals, however, will successfully output 240p.
Sadly, most converters from VGA will upscale to 480i during their signal conversion.
Simply put, you're stuck with VGA if you ever want to get 240p from that, unless you're planning use really expensive signal converters like Emotia.
In that case, you could convert the signal from VGA to RGB with ease.

>>3601536
So unless I fork over a decent sum of money, I'm fucked.

How much would I benefit from this graphic card if I were to use it with a VGA CRT monitor?

>>3601539
http://arcadeforge.net/UMSA/UMSA-Ultimate-SCART-Adapter::57.html

>>3601539
You can get a decent quality from it.
I would recommend you use VGA.

>>3601545
Okay this looks good, would look into this.

>>3601551
Alright. I'll also give this a shot.

This isn't a picture of mine, but I tried this test pattern using the 240p suite on SNES and it looked similar.

Can someone explain the red part and the white? A fair amount of the red gets cut off on mine as well, but is the goal to have all the red within the tv borders as well or just the white?

>>3601709
red is simply the border.
It's usually ok to have overscan eating some red border because most devs are careful enough to not put important info here.
It is inspired from capcom test pattern in their CPS arcade system.

>>3601747
>It is inspired from capcom test pattern in their CPS arcade system.
Which is in part inspired from actual test patterns you'd get from a test pattern generator.

>>3601536
There are far cheaper options than emotia. Some one can chime in that has a setup, since I don't.

For component at 240p
Radeon gpu with soft15khz -> vga -> Audio Authority -> component -> tv

>>3601539
There are plenty of options. Ask someone that has done the setup, because there are a lot of NO LAG setups out there, and some fuck cock on here will recommend something cheaper that has lag. Pay the $30-40 extra for no lag options.

>>3601709
On my 36 inch WEGA having the red dots inside the screen makes the picture filled near perfect. My 32 inch WEGA needs to have the dots at the border as much as they can be.

For the most part some systems switch resolutions so much it is impossible to get it perfect. Inter system switching can cause issues too.

SNES over component, Xbox over component, VGA over component. All three fill the screen slightly different.

>>3598124
Please, can anyone help me out here? I'd really rather not have to get a new TV if I can fix it.

Any of you guys with medical monitors worry about pathogens on your monitor? After what, 6 months, all pathogens are dead, so as long as the monitor sat for long enough it should be ok right? yeah I'm a germophobe

>>3601873
>tfw some man's butthole is burned in on your PVM

>>3602025
Shit, that camera would have to be stuck in the guy's arse for a coloscopy to take more than 72 hours.

>>3601873
unless there are fungus therefore they can live forever

>>3601346

I have a bunch (10) PVM/BVMs, so it's not just sour grapes:

SD WEGAs with RGB->YPbPr transcoders are really the way to go. You can literally find 27"s all $0-$30 all over craigslist or sitting on the curb. If you're in a decent sized suburb I bet you can find one by just driving around for a few hours.

The real reason I collect PVMs are for lagless 480p, for this there's not really any contest. PC CRTs kind of work, but the phosphors don't do it for me and they freak the fuck out for stuff like PS2 where the initial menus are always in 480i.

Anything /vr/ looks fucking awesome on my 27". HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.

>>3602061
Nah bruh, '90s black trinitrons are THE way.

I have a 21" high black trinitron that does rgb via scart. How much of an improvement would it be to switch to a pvm if at all?

>>3602061
I agree with you dude, too bad my Trinitron died and no one in these threads wants to help me diagnose it.

>>3602179
>no one in these threads wants to help me diagnose it.
Well, what about now?

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/ele/5822123660.html

Is this a good deal for this CRT?

>>3602415
>http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/ele/5822123660.html

It's an okay deal, not great. Set looks alright, I'd value a 14" PVM at closer to $100 though.

Honestly though you're not super likely to find "deals" that are posted in public. That's PVMs for you. In that light it's okay. Make sure you are satisfied with 14" and 15khz only.

On the plus side, the set does seem to be calibrated decently. If you go in person you can test it out before buying (convergence, linearity), which is an improvement over the ebay lottery.

It's all up to you my dude, how much do you value it?

>>3602748
it's either
a) invest in more antiquated technology, or
b) just buy a framemeister, take your 2 frames of lag up the ass and deal with it

>>3601873
Bacteria spores that are millions of years old have been germinated. You better let me hang on to that monitor for you just to be safe.

>>3598124
>>3600078
>>3601806
>>3602179
Sorry I don't have much help to give, but you may find some useful information here:

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/tvfaq.htm

Of particular interest may be this:

http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/tvfaq.htm#tvhvsdtxrp

If you do decide to mess with the X-ray protection circuits, be absolutely sure that you know what you are doing.

Either of these monitors good? Posted in a lot of Amiga stuff w/o a price about an hour away from me, might try to bargain a cheap price for them if they're good. do they do RGB?

1

>>3603031

2

>>3598124
Sounds like a relay is bad. I'd open it up and start there. A fs120 is a low grade model though, you should probably just find a better one.

>>3601747
thought it was the neo geo border at first.

Star Trek: TNG Blu-Ray release running in 720x480 with 4:3 reverse anamorphic squeeze.

This is about as much detail as you could ever see in Standard Definition.

Looks bretty good to me.

>>3603147
Yeah, they seem to be common on craigslist in my area.

>>3603015
>http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/tvfaq.htm

This is neat. Thanks.

>>3603031
>>3603034
Get them both, get it all. Even if they are not RGB they are still highly sought after.

>>3603031

This Sony might, if it does it's probably through a 34-pin connector that looks like a Floppy/IDE connector from old computers. I have a Sony that looks similar which has this... you'll need to custom-make an adapter to be able to plug anything into it, though.

>>3602113
>high black trinitron

Do you mean to say the contrast is poor because of that flaw they develop over time? If so then the PVM will be a major improvement.

>>3603162
I live in the boonies bro, you can find a crt anywhere

>>3603031
>>3603034
Amiga monitors alway do RGB, so does 15kHz Sony computer monitors.
Anyway, the Amiga one look like a 1930-III, 1935 or 1960 -- the 2 first being VGA monitors, the last being a multiscan monitor with a pretty good dot-pitch for SD content (0.28mm, like early Fujitsu-made Amiga monitors). If you're into old PC & Amiga stuff, and the Commodore one really is a 1960 and not the other models, then it would be a great monitor. The Sony being a Sony computer monitor, it must be quite good too.

>>3603173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slbea62yY-o
Saying High Black trinitron is like saying silver case trinitrons.

>>3602047
>>3602983
How about ozone? I run an ozone generator at .1 to .3ppm

Who's looking forward to election day?

>>3602836
Framemeister is under a frame now. Unless you are also using it on some junk tv, then maybe altogether you are at 2-3 frames.

>>3603574
You have an immune system for a reason, desu.

>>3603743
Call me when its 0ms

>>3604064
>Thinks we have any input/output method on earth that is even close to 0ms

>Inb4 she says CRTs are

Is the Audio Authority 9a60 the best way to get VGA to ypbpr for 240p use?

I have seen CRT threads talking about this a lot, but people recommend stuff that has massive delay or issues. I just want my vga gpu to be hooked to my ypbpr crts.

>>3604364

Do you already have your graphics card outputting in 240p? If not, sort that out.

I use the Startech VGA2CPNT (since discontinued). No lag, works with my ghetto T-splitter for sync, works grate with 240p and 480p. They've replaced it with a new and upgraded version that looks awesome except it's $300.

Look for reviews where normies are complaining it's not compatible, that's usually a good sign that it's a true transcoder and not a scaler.

>>3601873
Dude that thing probably got doused in Cavicide every other minute. That shit will literally dissolve plastics if left on long enough. Don't be a pussy.

A While back I got myself a Sony KV-8AD10 8" CRT from a Salvation Army thrift store for $5. It would make a smell of burning when I left it on for a few minutes, so I finally opened it up and used compressed air to clear out the dust and its not as bad, but if I put my nose close to the vents there's still a tiny bit of a smell. I've left it on for a few hours now and it seems to be going ok

Also it has 12V center negative DC input as an alternative option. Do you think that would make any difference? Anything else I should do with it?

it looks like this

>>3605014

That's a cutie. How deep is it?

>>3605027
220x213x310mm
8 3/4 x 8 1/2 x 12 1/4 inches
8lb 13oz (4.5kg) according to owners manual

What do you guys think of this model? Too wide? Its a kv28wf1u. It's on sale near me currently £15. Looks in really good shape, 28".

Do you think the geometry looks good based on the tv picture?

>>3605064

Resolution doesn't look great from that pic, but could just be the moire.

Not gonna do your googling, just make sure it isn't hi-def and you should be good

>>3605014
So I just tried a 12V 500maH universal charger and it powers up, but it flickers. I'm assuming it needs more Amperage on the DC. Oh well, AC works fine. Would work on a boat or truck DC adapter I guess.

>>3600501
What is the difference between a bowing problem and a linearity problem?
What do they look like?

When you go to a guy from craigslist to pick up a CRT bring a PSP 2000, 3000, or Go with PS1 games on the memory stick.

Composite, s-vidya, component, and d-terminal TV-out cables are available for PSP.

PSP has hardware backwards compatibility with PS1 games which output in full screen with scanlines.

Someone should e-mail the 240p test suite guy and tell him to make one for PSP.

>>3605250
Not trying to be a dick, but it would be a lot easier and you would understand better if you took a few minutes to look this up on your own.

I can tell you that in trying various settings in one set's service menu in an attempt to fix some slight bowing along the left side, I caused massively ridiculous linearity issues. In retrospect, I really should have expected it. I got a good chuckle out of my short-sightedness. Also learned to live with a little unobnoxious bowing.

>>3605250
when talking about old crts the bow is when the bottom of the screen looks like a small hill

linearity problems are when the picture compresses or stretches the image as it is scrolling.

>>3605313
>and tell him to make one for PSP.
It'd be much wiser to make one for the PS1, since a PSP homebrew one will only display in 480i/p and via a windowboxed image overall; The same effect could be got with a proper set of images in that case.

A PS1 version would not only benefit PS1/2 users, but PSP as well.

>>3605178
>flickers
It's probably unrelated, but I recently found out that 480i, the signal itself, actually causes the screen to 'flicker' (it's more like shaking) when displaying a strong white color covering most of the screen. I always thought it was due to my set, but instead it was always an inherent trait of the interlaced signal that occurs on every TV. It most often occurred when the PS1 boot logo appeared and I perceived a slight shaking of the screen.

>>3599464
>dat switch
I ended up buying one of those. Stupid money, but I had just gotten my tax refund in on the same day the distributor tweeted they had a few leftover to sell. No regrets.

>>3605064
>not posting the luscious Rachel Riley with a convenient grid in the background to judge geometry
Shame on you

I saw this too and IMO these Super Trinitron Wide sets are some of the best consumer CRTs Sony ever put out.

Tube looks fine btw. I was looking at this too when the listing went up but Bristol is a little too far for me to travel for one of these, nice though it is.

>>3605932
>that post was a mess

I'll blame the fact I've been in the hospital all afternoon for the birth of my second child. Gotta love nitrous oxide but I really shouldn't attempt posting whilst under the influence of it.

>>3605932

I'm not really an enthusiast, but that looks pretty good considering CRT's don't photograph well.

>>3605935

Congrats.

>>3605462
The guy who does 240p test suites for different consoles uses homebrew SDKs to make them.

I wonder if he can use the NetYaroze SDK to create a Playstation version.

>>3605323
If fixing bowing problems causes linearity problems then does fixing linearity problems cause bowing?

>>3605935
Congratulations to you and your child's father

>>3606125
Not specifically. But on the particular set I was referring to, I couldn't completely fix the bowing while getting very good linearity simultaneously. I settled for the better linearity settings along with almost unnoticeable bow along the left edge after a bit of overscan.

The linearity problems I had were mostly caused by going into the service menu without a cheat sheet for all of the 4 letter acronyms. Once I learned what each one actually was and did, easy-peasy.

>>3605992
Thanks!
>>3606127
Now to think of it she does look a little kebab-ish...

Anyone had experience with bang and olufsen CRT's?

How do they compare to trinitrons?

>>3605935
Tits or GTFO.

...wait. What board is this again?

>>3606537

Following on this, I've seen one of these

https://www.gumtree.com/p/televisions-plasma-lcd-tvs/bang-olufsen-beovision-1-tv-with-floor-stand-and-working-remote-control/1168610691

and it says it's 720p analog LCD. Does that mean it will have input lag and isn't a CRT?

>>3607526
>LCD
>Is it a CRT?

>>3607526
>analog
>LCD
What

>>3607526
It's a CRT
https://www.beoworld.org/prod_details.asp?pid=458

>>3598439
Nice I got mine for $20 and it's has somewhere around 34k hours.

TO BE HONEST the picture looks a tad dull. I feel like I've gotten more vibrant pictures from 1345q's and 20m4u's. Still happy as fuck with this baby especially for the price.

anyone autistic enough?

>>3607852
i thought my 16x8 inline switch was excessive...

>>3607852
so if you're not totally autistic and want an affordable switcher, just pick up an Extron Extron SW6 AR MX HV, Or system 8/10. They're both straight-through RGB/Whatever switchers with one output, and are usually less than $50 on ebay.

I need the "display" button to access the service menu on my Sony KV-27V24, but my universal remote doesn't have one and nothing's worked. Can I do anything about this or do I need to buy the original remote?

>>3607852
I have one nearly that size, plus two big honkin' distribution amps. I need for any of it, it just came with a rack case I won at auction for about $200.

480p on a 34xbr960. very sharp, great colors, and no lag.

>>3608457

>>3608457
>and no lag
2 frames

Bought this monster a while back to play modern and retro games because it has inputs for days. But the manual isn't giving me much on how exactly to cycle through the inputs. Just pressing the TV/Video button sends me back and forth between channels and one input, and nothing else I've tried works.

What do?

>>3609415
Scratch that, I found a menu that programmed the name and for whatever reason they were all set to Skip.

>>3608484
I dunno about that. DRC is set to progressive, and in-game set is progressive scan.

>>3609435
Does 480p even look good? That low resolution doesn't even really look super great on my PC CRTs. Might as well emulate that game and connect the HDCRT to it so you can have much better looking 1080i, it has hdmi right?

>>3609435
>DRC is set to progressive
That only switches whether it's displaying in 1080i or a zoomed 540p, with no real change in how it's specifically processed.

In-game being set to Progressive scan(480p) will reduce lag, but it's still there.

For reference:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--xY_NvwJ_g
Pause the video to see the difference between the baseline(no lag) and the HD Sony set in the back. 480p still results in ~2 frames of lag, with 240p/480i increasing that to 3. I don't have a link to the specific thread, but someone testing CRTs on smashboards got similar results using an oscilloscope for other HD Sony sets: 33ms or so for 480p, with 48ms or so for 480i.

>>3609438
>have much better looking 1080i
Admittedly, you would have the benefit with emulation to render at a higher resolution, but that's where the quality jump would be coming from rather than displaying in 1080i. The game supports 480p by default, so it's best to stick to that resolution if possible.

>>3606537
I've heard they are very nice from euro gamers, I have never seen one in the US.

>>3609439
I think I found it senpai:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2zliks/lag_on_a_widescreen_hd_crt_melee/?client=safari
>>3608457
Same one I bought anon. Colors are great. Did you get the fancy stand with it?

Would it be worth it to hook up my PS3 to my CRT to play PS1/PS2 Classics rather than playing them on my HDTV? Do they do shit to them on those versions to make them look better on a modern TV?

>>3609439
Marth Main?

do you guys like gore?

>It has had its power cord cut, so I wired a plug directly to the end of the short wire. It works perfectly and delivers an amazing picture. $100

Selling my Sony PVM-14N5U for $60 if anyone lives near Atlanta GA

>regularly comb Craigslist for CRT's
>constantly see 36inch SD sets
>finally have space for a 36inch
>check Craigslist
>all 36' are gone

Fuck the universe

>>3610307
>PVM-14N5U
no RGB no deal mate

>>3610354
Top-notch post, keep it up!

SRGB Dell monitor I picked up at a charity shop for £3. Burns all the way up to 9300k, with a maximum res of 1400x1050@60hz.

Should do nicely for emulating upscaled 5th/6th gen games.

SRGB Dell monitor I picked up at a charity shop for £3. Burns all the way up to 9300k, with a maximum res of 1400x1050@60hz.

Should do nicely for emulating upscaled 5th/6th gen games.

>>3610237
You paid a Benjamin for something you couldn't even test?

Those are some brass balls right there, people.

Hooked up Wii to old Grundig. It's my first conscious CRT setup, there's some horizontal overscan and I think focus is off but I can't really adjust it much - TV doesn't have a service menu, only couple potentiometers under chassis. Sorry for shit quality pic, I only have phone camera.

On a side note, I currently have only wirelless controllers for Wii. I want to connect something wired, like GameCube pad, but I really don't like it's button layout. Anyone know some controllers with GC compatible output? Or better yet, an adapter from USB to GC (since I have USB arcade stick)? Can't seem to find anything on google

>>3611263
One of the only good options out there for the GameCube port that won't lag unbelievably.
I got an adapter to plug my SFC or SNES controller into the Wiimote and it works amazing for me.

>>3611263
>Anyone know some controllers with GC compatible output?

I got an adapter to use PS2 pads on GC.

>>3611296
That actually looks kind of cool. How's the dpad? I don't like the buttons but it might be better for SNES games than classic controller

>>3611317
I thought about that but I don't know when I'll get my ps2 back. And I'd still need an USB to PS2 to play on arcade stick. Can't find anything on that either. I just really want to play some fightan on CRT

>>3611338
Dpad is very nice actually

>>3611338
I never saw any usb to ngc or usb to ps2 adapters, and I have looked. The closest available option may be a psx/ps2 to ps3/4 adapter.

My sticks were also wired to usb, but I built them myself back in the early 2000's. If you have even basic soldering skills, it's pretty easy to just disconnect the guts and rewire it with another pcb or pinout. I swapped mine over to scph-1080 pcbs because there are working adapters for everything from fucking NES to current gen.

People always bitch about the lag using any adapters, but I don't find it to be detrimental.

>>3611296
I bought one of these. Build quality is good. Feels nice, but they go for like $150+ USD including shipping costs these days. Can get an adapter for SNES or 6-button genesis pad from raphnet for 1/5 of that. Just saying.

After comparing PVMs and consumer models I find myself leaning towards consumer models, even using RF in some cases. I just like the blur I guess.

I'd love some weird old bubble monitor like this one.

>>3611435
Well I researched a bit and I think I will just give up with the USB to GC idea since Wii only has 1 fightan which PS2 doesn't and WiiMAME doesn't play JJHFF. My stick is also custom made, I made it from some shitty PC controller, I'm just gonna modify it so it works on PS2 too.

>>3611440
Just found about raphnet, that guy is so based. He's selling so many different adapter internationally and he even made a guide for making that SNES adapter you mentioned, with source code and all. And even shipping to Europe is dirt cheap compared to US sellers.

>>3611463
Bullshit.

>>3611591
It's perfectly alright if you disagree, but you have no reason to not believe me.

Just got her set up but when I turned it on I immediately noticed this really really high pitched noise that persists until I turn it off. I noticed a few chips in the screen so I imagine it's been banged up through out its life. I can easily tune out the noise, I just want to make sure it's safe to use. I don't want to slowly cook my brain with radio waves or something. If it wasn't obvious I'm a total pleb with this sort of stuff. Any advice will be most appreciated!

>>3611624
Also, the text overlay for the menu/volume/etc. sort of bounces up and down, but the game image looks fine. Not sure if this will help the diagnosis.

>>3611627
Because it's designed for interlaced signals.

>>3611624
Mine has that high pitched voice too, I got completely used to it in a week or so. I think if it isn't really loud then it's fine.

Also good game choice. Watchout for this bug, I lost save with half of the game this way.
https://tcrf.net/Bugs:Castlevania_(NES)#Invincibility_Potion_Crash

>>3611631
It makes the noise when the nes isn't turned on though

>>3611637
Thanks for the heads up!

>>3611624
>there are actually people that have never heard a CRT before

How is that even possible? If you haven't guessed, the noise is completely normal.

>>3611659
Lol I'm 28. I've been acquainted CRTs, just not in like 15 years.

>>3611338
>>3611263
Raphnet makes all kinds of adapters for wii/gc. Luckily there's a whole lot of different controller options. I've ordered from it, he makes some cool stuff. There's also wireless wiimote versions of almost every gc adapter he has too.

http://raphnet.com/products.php?category=gamecube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2TTVGdsB0E

Odd request. Does anybody have pictures of sega games running on a Laseractive on a CRT?
I'm the guy that RGB modded his recently. I came across a second Laseractive system, and it has the same ghosting/shadow/blur on composite video that my first one had. I'm wondering if this is the case for every one of these machines.

(pic is of somebody else's system demonstrating the same issue)

Anyone able to identify this set?

I've got my fingers crossed that it's a 36inch but I wouldn't be surprised if it were 32. Really don't have a clue as to what model it is.

>>3611941
Pal? It's shit.

>>3612194
Toss up between a 100, 120, 170, or 200. I don't know the differences between them, if any worth noting.

It's very annoying how Sony used the same chassis for so many variants when searching for a specific model. At least that one can't be a hi-scan.

>>3612576
I've been doing some hard research. I think it might be a kv-""fv15 based on the chassis(specifically the speaker design?)

I'm really hoping it's a 36 inch. The owner described it as being huge and from the picture it does look pretty hefty. I guess I'd pass if it were a 32 to minimize the amount of CRT's I bring in and out of my house. Realy crossing my fingers that it's a 36' I'll report back tomorrow when the owner tells me what the height of the tv is.

The rising cost of all this rgBS got me thinking. What if you used a universal CGA arcade chassis and a consumer tv with the right tube readings could you make a 20" RGB monitor for $100?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Arcade-CRT-Monitor-Universal-Replacement-Chassis-19-NIB-822h/302038679441

I have some big crts and this would be the bees knees in my old console set.

>>3612576
>>3612585
Can now 90% confirm that this is a fv15 based on new evidence (top bottons). Also using the controller that's on top of the set as a reference I've come to the conclusion that this is a 36inch tv. The controller is a little more than 8 inches if you measure it and there's room for 4 and a half controllers to fit. That puts it over the 34inch width that a 32 inch set would have and so I've come to the conclusion that this must be a 36 inch set.

I just purchased a sweet stand from Best Buy and am excited to(most likely) pick up this tv tomorrow. I'll bring my Wii just to check the geometry but I'll likely take it no matter what unless it has some purity issue or something else that's really bad.

Fuckin stoked
Probably going to fork over $30 for it. Any anons have advice for what I should check for?

PVM-20M4A
900 TVL of RGB goodness

Playing this for the first time and it's kicking my ass. I'm just about to fight Kraid and I've already died like 5 times.

>>3610202
Maybe 7 years ago when I still played often, and never to any level that could be called competitive. I'd like to try to git gud, but don't have anyone to practice with, and I'll be damned if I'm gonna try going to some random local and just get curb stomped.

>>3612226
Multistandard

>>3612609
Because you could often do so for even less by modifying the existing chassis the TV already uses.

>>3612714
M4 is actually 800TVL, but still damn sharp.

SM does look damn fine in RGB. Should probably take some newer photos at some point. Just wish I still had my finished playthrough to mess around in.

>>3612728
I figured all new hardware would be nice. Do you need a special tube to do 15/31hz?

rate pls
dunno if picture quality is good or not.

>>3613023
Looks good to me, but the colors are a bit strong. Did you adjust for hue and saturation? If not, do that.

>>3613331
I noticed that when I go near my crt that I can see the picture vibrating, I dont know how to describe that. I tested today with another crt which I had in my storage room and there I hadnt that strange effect.

picture was from a 16:9 sony wega trinitron, did I fall for the hdcrt meme or whats the deal?

>>3613359
If it was vibrating on 480i signal its because interlaced signal is vibrating like that. If it was 240p then I don't know, my CRT slightly vibrates too on some snes roms but others are fine, like original Castlevania. I thought maybe it has something to do with it being PAL

>>3613359
It's probably displaying in 1080i. There may be a DRC setting that will display in 540p.

>>3613023
shit/10

>>3614258
Pretty sure anon is yuro and that set is SD only. The metroid screenshot is undoubtedly double strike which you wouldn't get with a hi-scan or whatever you get over there in north america.

Is the "vibration" less than a line's worth? Or something more severe?

There's a flat CRT Sony KV-FS100 on the side of the road on Hood Landing in Mandarin, Jacksonville. If anyone wants it its near the entrance to Jeremy's landing.

>>3615749
KV-36FS100 actually. So 36 inches. Pretty huge and heavy looking. Would pick it up myself but I don't have a truck.

Check the driveways of your neighborhood for pickup trucks.
Knock on their door and offer them cash to load it and deliver to your house.
Quickly, before some scrapper vermin cut off the power cord and jigsaw the back to rip out the copper yoke.

>>3615845
Nah dude, I've got enough CRTs. Work at a TV station. Just letting Jacksonville homies know what's up.

In fact I have a bunch of abused 8 and 9 inch PVMs that need good forever homes. They all work as far as I know but they've been beat up at gig after gig for years. Will sell them for under market value plus shipping. You choose the carrier.

y'all need to invest in a blue filter to properly calibrate your sets

>>3616259
Uh, o-okay Mr Lucas

More often than not they don't work properly btw

Does anyone know the depth needed for a 36fs15 to sit on. All marketing specs put it at 24 inches deep but the feet of CRT's are usually shorter than the actual depth

>>3616463
What ya'll think? Did I make a huge mistake or will the 36 incher just barely fit on it.

Don't worry about the weight this stand is supposed to take up to 300lbs

>>3616480
i dunno but if its too short you could put a board under the tv. all the weight is on the front. Lemme go measure my stand. it just fits a 36" jvc

>>3616552
mine is 18" and the total tv depth is 23".The feet fit.

>>3616554
You are one kind anon. Thank your for putting my worries to ease. Even if it turns out to be a little bigger than yours I can make do with half an inch of overhang

Take a typical Sony CRT TV: KV-36FS120

How do you decode the model number?

What does the first set of letters mean?
It's usually KV (kissless virgin?).
Sometimes its KD.
Rarely KW.
Any guesses what these mean??

The first set of numbers is the screen diagonal in inches.

What does the second set of letters mean?
It's usually FS(flat screen?) or FV or HS(high scan (480p!)) for flat screens and S or V for curved sets.
Sometimes its XS or XBR.
Rarely HD(high definition?), SXR, CX, or TW(Taiwan?).
Small sets usually have R, FS, FM, M, TR, RX, or VM.
Less commonly: RS, F, TS, RS, EXR, AD, PT or FA.
?What the hell do all these mean??

The second set of numbers indicates the "quality"; higher indicating better. However this usually just means extra "features" like "purcolor" and "trusurround" that you should always turn off. In fact a higher number here may be worse if thinness of the set is a feature. This will cause Geometry and focus/convergence problems that a "lower" model won't have so bad. Higher models will have extra inputs but if you are serious about this hobby you will have switchboxes and multiple CRTs anyway.

>>3617384
>KV
Standard line/tuner
>KD
Digital Tuner
>KW
Not sure, but I would assume it's limited to certain older wide aspect ratio models.

You also forgot KX, which is/was used for older "component" style sets (think component audio system) that have no tuner.

FS are the standard line for (US) FD/WEGA(Flat Trinitron/WEGA) models.
FV are similar models to FS sets with more features, usually being better audio, "better" comb filters, and PiP features.
HS are the lower end of Sony's HD CRT line. Supports HD signals, but don't have as many options as the XBRs and tend to have lower resolution tubes in comparison.
XS I'm not entirely sure of the specifics, but mainly seems to be a stop gap between the HS models and XBR. Higher specifications than HS models, but may not have AS many features/options as the XBR sets of the same line.
XBR is used for Sony's flagship, high end stuff, and has been for 30 years now.

The others tend to show up more in South American and European models, but I'm not really sure if there are any rules or reasons to their usage. Perhaps they meet certain regulations in certain areas of the world, or in the case of some South American models, maybe they have tuners capable of supporting PAL-M instead of just NTSC or PAL.

Is there a list of those cards that get put into BVMs and the 14L5? Anything that a card could do that isn't included on a BVM/PVM by default?

>>3617515
In what way do FV models have better audio?
Do they have bigger diameter speakers, higher quality amp, or something else?
Can you describe the magnitude and character of the increase in sound quality?

Which signal types does comb filter affect: RF, composite, S-video, component, RGB?
How much difference does the better comb filter make? What aspects does it affect: sharpness, artifacts, color?

Are XBR TVs always extended definition (480p)(unsuited for retro)?

>>3617647
The 2 most desired FV models both have a subwoofer. Instead of 2 x 10W speakers, they have 2 x 7.5W and a 15W Sub. They also have WOW, SRS, and BBE. Or something. I'm not clear on exactly what any of that means, but the WOW option seems to have extra bass. I usually settle for the Tru-surround option anyway.

Brought in a CRT from another room that was working a few months ago but straight up won't turn on now. Any ideas?

>>3617758
And what are the 2 most desired fv models?

>>3617647
>Which signal types does comb filter affect: RF, composite, S-video, component, RGB?
Comb filters affect RF and composite, as they are meant for separating chroma from luma, something ever signal above those either already do(S-Video, Component), or completely circumvent(RGB).
You get less composite artifacting, i.e dot crawl reduction, lessened cross talk. Color as such may in turn be increased do to this better separation. Any sharpening done would likely come from an SVM circuit(Velocity Modulation: sharpness filtering essentially) that you would want turned off anyway.

No, XBRs are NOT all ED/HD sets. The first of the XBR line came out in the early 80s (and even had RGB compatibility in the US) and were purely SD sets. This stayed the norm with the black bodied 90s XBR sets, essentially all of them featuring numerous inputs, almost always S-Video, and a late model or two from ~1998 having S-Video.

It's only once you get to the FD/WEGA line that HD models come into play, and even then not all XBRs are ED/HD sets. It's not perfect, and there are a few sets that I believe are incorrectly listed under the Hi-Scan catagory, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FD_Trinitron/WEGA is a decent starting point. Looking into a specific model's owner's manual and looking for references to DRC(Digital Reality Creation) settings is another good way to see if it's an ED/HD set.

>>3617925
The 310 (1st) and 300 (2nd)

>>3617925
The very last ones released; Specifically the FV310 models, as they have a particularly good high voltage regulator to greatly reduce if not eliminate blooming entirely, giving it a picture similar to PVMs and other professional sets.

>>3618148
Should I accept that I'll never land a 310?

>>3618269
It's not so rare that it's a myth. Keep an eye out, but don't be afraid to get something else. The condition of each individual set makes more difference than the model number.

>>3610198
PS3 introduces lag on all PS/PS2 games regardless of display method and PS3 model used.

>>3618269
Don't stress over it. The main difference between the 310 and the 300 is one additional component input. I would happily settle for a 300. Either way I need a component switcher to avoid constantly swapping cables.

Also, I see them on ebay and craigslist from time to time. But they are always too far away to pick up. I'm only willing to drive like 4 hours each way.

>>3618272
Here's my situation.

I'm lined up to get a kv-36fv15 this weekend. It's around an hour drive and the tv will probably cost 30 or so. The catch is it looks as if it has barely been touched, the owner says they bought it new and that it never saw much use as their kids didn't own any consoles. It looks very much to be in pristine condition.

The flip side of this is that I am gen 6 scum so having component inputs is important to me. And this will likely be the end all be all. Meaning once I move the set into my house I'm not going to exchange it even if a 310 pops up 20 minutes away. It'd just be way too much trouble to go through.

Response video for posting when you are discussing CRTs and a normie embeds a CRT destruction clip to rustle you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKxp4mfgXo4

What should expect to pay for a 14L5?

>>3618529
one
million
dollars.

no wait,

ONE
HUNDRED
BILLION
DOLLARS

>>3618289

How bad are we talking?

Anyone tried hdmi to vga for ps4 ?

>>3618860
None. She is talking out her ass. Same meme level parroting of info that has no basis in fact.

>>3618893
If its an 8th gen game then just play it on pc, easy to get vga out there.

>>3618914
kof14
rock band 4

Hey /crt/
Guess you will know more than /g/ about monitors.

What frequency do majority of PC LCD panels operate at? A lot of information is obscured. It's not clear wether it's 60Hz or 59.94Hz. If they operate at pure 60Hz do majority of TV LCD panels operate at the same frequency or 59.94Hz to fit content? I know NTSC CRTs operate at 59,94Hz but there's just not much concrete information about LCDs.

Thanks for any answers.

>>3619053
Displays (both digital and analog) have a certain tolerance as the real actual frequency can vary by a certain degree (no oscillator in the world is 100% accurate). While a PC claims that it outputs 75hz, it might be something like 75,07hz when measured with a expensive frequency counter.
So, if it's 59,94 or 60hz does not really matter as it's a very small difference.
>What frequency do majority of PC LCD panels operate at?
Often from 50hz to 75hz but monitors that don't support anything lower than 60hz do exist.
The builtin screen in my newly acquired Toshiba Tecra 8000 laptop (made in late 1998) is locked to 60hz and no software like DOS games with custom modelines or PowerStrip were able to change it, but this limitation (as well as "overscan glitches") is gone if it outputs to a external monitor only.
>I know NTSC CRTs operate at 59,94Hz
With classic (15khz) TVs it's only important that the horizontal frequency is in the right range, depending on the chassis it might detect 50hz (by counting how many lines per field) and corrects it's vertical amplitude (size) or at least it syncs to it without problems (generates a flawless sawtooth but the displayed aspect ratio is wrong).
I was able to output a 48hz signal (about 651 total lines, not to be confused with visible lines) via VGASCART to one of my PAL TVs but I don't expect this 'trick' to be working with every TV in this world. Not that I hate PAL speedup, I was wondering if this trick does work.
>but there's just not much concrete information about LCDs.
Any good monitor (or panel) has it's supported frequency range written in the technical specifications/datasheet.
Most classic TVs usually have about 5% tolerance.

sup guys, i'm considering doing some CRT stuff and wanted to come to you guys for advice. i have a JVC D-series from my grandfather that's been sitting around in storage for about 8 years. is it suitable for gaming? (pic related is the same TV i think but not my photo)

I see a surprising number of sets with the 80s Sony logo sticker on the screen.

Does this mean they've never been used or did people actually watch TV with these things attached?

>>3619383
Probably NOS or dumb people who didn't take them off for the same reason why people don't take off the stickers from laptop touchpads.

>>3619374
No, definitely not.
What ever gave you the idea that a TV would be suitable for gaming?

Oh god. It's right nearby. Is this a decent set? Anyone know?

>>3619402
I'd be wary of their RGB capable claim. Usually older USA sets support digital RGB which gives you only 8 colors. It was intended to be used with a set-top box to draw menus and such.

>>3619423
So there's no way this could be wired to accept RGBs?

>>3618143
So then which TVs do you believe are incorrectly listed as hi-scan?

I just noticed a dead pixel on my Nokia Multigraph 446Xpro.
Am I fucked? I didn't know dead pixels could appear on a CRT.

>>3619519
It doesn't say whether the RGB inputs are analog or digital so I can't be sure but the fact that it recommends twisted pair leads for RGB instead of 75 Ohm coaxial makes me think the RGB input is digital.

>>3617614
Just look in the manual, the manual for my G5U has a couple of them, at least.

>>3618529
You pay what it's worth.
Ebay prices are always higher than what is commonly accepted

>>3619540
Looks like the red phosphor is missing from that particular triad.

I'm not familiar with the method of application but if it's a variation on inkjet technology could it be conceivable that a nozzle was momentarily blocked.

>>3619541
Is there an online resource detailing the signal differences between analogue and digital RGB? Also, aren't twisted pair and coax just different ways to skin the same cat in terms of EMI shielding?

>>3619547
You pay what it's worth TO YOU. There is no magically correct and universal figure as is the case with any free market in a state of constant flux due to supply and demand.

I have bought many items on eBay at way below their average value (a £10 BVM-20F1E Buy It Now earlier this year for example) so your second point is pure findings of the colon my friend.

>>3619528
Not him, but I did some research based on his comment.

It would seem that the FS170, FS210, and the XBR250 are all non Hi-Scan, SDTV sets.

Otherwise, the list is very accurate, I think.

>>3619423
>>3619519
>>3619541
>>3619558
>>3619558
The 25XBR does in fact support Analog RGB over that 34pin floppy connector. You just need the correct cable to feed it.

>>3619547
I see one for 100 bucks in my area and I'm thinking of getting it. What do I need to feed an RCA cable to them? RCA to BNC right?

>>3619540
Might be dust of the likes, CRTs normally don't have dead pixels.

>>3611624
>tfw my ears are garbage
>can't hear a sound

>>3605313
Is there anyway to output the Dracula X version of SOTN in 240p? I want to play it on my crt but it doesn't do 480 and therefore won't launch when connected to the tv.

>>3605932
Is this shopped? Why is your tv curving in on the left side?

>>3610413
where do you live so i may take this from you while you sleep

>>3620409
Dell e773c's aren't exactly that rare, and aren't terribly high spec'd either. Decent enough, average 70khz horizontal frequency limit.

>>3620407
Not my TV and that model line flares out at the bottom of the case to accommodate the stereo speakers.

>>3619374
I have this TV. The color and sharpness is very good, perhaps even better than a Trinitron.

It will make a fine display for anything from pong-clone to Wii.

>>3605932
>>3620530

I took the plunge and got this. Turned out great, but heavy as fuck.

I was playing DKC 1 on it earlier and it was the level where you have to collect the fuel tanks while staying on the moving platform. It's a black background.

There was some noticeable streaking on the black background, and i think it's normal? Is there any way to reduce this?

I know an emotia or similar downscaler can be used to convert a computer's VGA signal to 240p, but can you just use a VGA-to-Component adapter to send 480p to a multiformat BVM?

>>3621380
Don't see why not so long as the output from the converter is compliant with pic related and you actually have analog inputs (BVM-As only came with SDI as standard but BVM-Ds are fine)

>>3621478
yeah it's a couple of BVM-Ds and I was thinking 480p & 720p, so it seems like it should work.
thanks. now I feel comfortable dropping $3 on this cable.

>>3621480
actually i put zero thought into it and just assumed a dsub15-to-RCA cable would convert VGA to Component video. guess I still need a converter.

>>3621486
Depends how the cable is wired and how many RCAs you got.

VGA uses RGBHV so if you have five breakouts just physically combine the H and V together using a t-piece, configure the BVM's input to accept that rather than YPbPr and you're set.

Not sure why you'd be dead set on using component?

>>3621693
you're saying a decent DSub15-to-BNC4 cable coming out of at GTX660 would work?
My reason for picking component was just my association of RGB with 240p but you've reminded me it's not limited to that.

So what's the verdict with hi-scan non hdmi trinitrons like the xbr450 and 250. Do they induce lag or is it just as good as a sd trini

>>3621724
>you're saying a decent DSub15-to-BNC4 cable coming out of at GTX660 would work?
Only if there is a way to get the GTX to output Composite Sync instead of separate Horizontal and Vertical Sync. Otherwise you need to feed it into something to combined the two. That can be done in a very dirty fashion with just a T-Connector, a simple circuit, or something like a little Extron RGB Interface. Once you've got a proper way to feed sync, it should be as simple as just outputting an acceptable resolution and going from there.

That said, these aren't like PC monitors where they'll take any resolution with in single wide range, rather it's expecting a few specific broadcast focused resolutions. Someone with first hand experience with MultiFormat sets will have to tell you how much play and flexibility you have with in those windows.

>>3621735
Whether they support HDMI or not, if a set is an actual Hi-Scan model, it will have input lag; ~3 for 240p/480i and ~2 for 480p

>>3621749
Alright I knew to stay away from hi scan for lag but wasn't sure if this was some weird gray zone. I've read people calling xbr250's edtv's and wasn't sure what to believe.

thoughts on the PVM-20M4E ?
i found a guy selling 5 of these... 60 euro each.
including control board.

>>3621849
It's the archetypal mid-range PVM.

If they're in good condition pick one (or more) up. That's a fairly decent price and I doubt you'd lose money if you were to resell.

>>3621904

good to know :)
is there anything particular i should look out for when checking it out?

>>3621942
Obvious signs that it's been abused would be cracked bezel and/or casing, bent front handles etc. That could mean internal damage due to the lighter build than BVMs so don't write it off as merely cosmetic. Also check the tube for scratches/gouges to the plastic anti-reflective coating as this will be very irritating on anything with a light background.

Image-wise you'd be best taking along a console, preferably with flashcart and 240p test suite, to run some grids and colour bars. Obviously you'll also need means of connecting it to BNC so an appropriate cable or converters.

>>3621968

thanks! very helpful

Can anyone recommend a radeon card that supports dual analog monitors? It's a gamble because not all of them support it despite having VGA+DVI-I

>>3620409
As the namefag said, they aren't exactly rare. They won't be only £3, but you should find one pretty easily.

Make sure you clear some space though, this isn't the most shallow CRT in the world.

>>3621849
aha! Dat muss doch einer aus dem CiBo sein, anonymer Deutscher du...
Ich hab übrigens auch so einen und bin mehr als zufrieden. Top Monitor!

Not necessarily retro, but does anyone know if RGB has an upper resolution limit when being used with BVM's?

Recently picked this big beauty up on a Facebook group for 100 shekels.

>>3623247
Let me rotate that for you

>>3622980
The resolution is limited to whatever resolution in being put in. If you're displaying 240p you're not gonna get more resolution despite the set being capable of more.

>>3621904
I'd say that'd be more the upper end of PVMs, to be honest. All you really have above it is Multiformat sets, and sort of L4, if only due to being a newer version of the same general shit.

>>3622980
If it's an SD BVM, you're limited to NTSC and PAL resolutions along with their double-strike counterparts. Multiformats include those, but also include 480p, 720p, and 1080i. As said in >>3621749 , they're not like PC monitors where you could feed anything between it's minimum and maximum horizontal frequency. Things are more locked down to broadcast resolutions/frequencies.

>>3623305
The model I'm looking at is the D24E1WU, in particular.

>>3611296
>One of the only good options out there for the GameCube port that won't lag unbelievably.

they do make wii classic controller knockoffs I've seen sold on aliexpress that connect to the gamecube port. might be an option.

>>3623310
That's a Multiformat set, and pretty much the best BVM out there in terms of raw specs.
What signals it'll actually be able to accept depends on the input cards it would come with, but assuming you have the proper ones, it'd support SD resolutions(240p/480i and 288p/576i) as well as 480p, 720p, and 1080i. SD resolutions would be supported over any signal type, with the "HD" ones requiring either RGB, Component, or HD-SDI(Digital Serial Interface, can be converted to from HDMI).

Standard broadcast resolutions would limit each of those to 720x480(i/p), 1280x720(p), and 1920x1080(i). Might support 540p(essentially non-interlaced 1080i) but you'd have to ask someone who actually has a Multiformat set.

>>3623361
Awesome, from what I've seen the input cards don't seem too expensive compared to the actual device, so if need be I'll pick one up. HD-SDI was actually part of the reason I'm going to go with that model, but other than that I'm fairly new to BVM's.

I have a fairly complicated video set up, so I'm trying to figure out what will be supported through RGB and what I'll need to run as component.

>>3621380

Yes.

You don't even need to do color space conversion if you have the right equipment. My experience is that T-adapters were insufficient (PVM-20L5, 14L5), I needed something that buffered as well as combines the sync before I got a clear picture.

Extron SS 200 did the trick with the sync, the Extron 150 was not good enough.

I'd probably just get a high quality transcoder, it's more versatile since you can use it for getting 240p RGB into consumer sets (burgerland). With the good transcoders there's no quality loss or lag, the cheaper ones work too but you might have to open them up and adjust the trimpots.

Playing RGB on a free consumer 27" is pretty fucking kush.

>>3611624
the sound probably goes away after a while when the tv warms up because crts often get noisy outputting 240p when cold

50 Hz/60 Hz CRTs used for television operate with horizontal scanning frequencies of 15,734 Hz (for NTSC systems) or 15,625 Hz (for PAL systems).[51] These frequencies are at the upper range of human hearing and are inaudible to many people; however, some people (especially children) will perceive a high-pitched tone near an operating television CRT.[52] The sound is due to magnetostriction in the magnetic core and periodic movement of windings of the flyback transformer.

This problem does not occur on 100/120 Hz TVs and on non-CGA computer displays, because they use much higher horizontal scanning frequencies (22 kHz to over 100 kHz).

Implosion[edit]

>>3623546
Why did you copy-paste all that stuff straight from wikipedia just to post stuff most people who are into CRTs already know?
Also the "This problem does not occur [...] on non-CGA computer displays" part is wrong, many computers used 15kHz analog RGB or composite monitors, and some required the use of a multiscan monitor that could go down to these frequencies.

>>3623374
Resolution-wise, you'll get the same bang for your buck with RGB as you will with Component.

>>3623569
In that wording, I believe CGA itself is being used as a misnomer for all 15khz displays, and as such saying "non-CGA" would rule out those sets as well.

>>3623595
>In that wording, I believe CGA itself is being used as a misnomer for all 15khz displays
That's a language abuse (don't know how you say it in english) though, because even though there's a resolution that's reffered as CGA by the VESA, that only applies to PC stuff, and none of the other computer architectures (many of which don't even uses the same resolutions while still requiring a 15kHz RGB or composite monitor).

>>3623613
>don't know how you say it in english
misnomer?
I agree with you, and have actually had a discussion with someone over it's use before. They argued that it's used a bit more often in arcade scenes, which I can't speak for.

>>3623613
>language abuse
>abus de langage
are you a baguette ?

>>3623667
>They argued that it's used a bit more often in arcade scenes, which I can't speak for.
I doubt about that one,everytime I've read monitor-related discussions on arcade forums they were talking about 15kHz, 24kHz and 31kHz monitors/sync signals, but never about CGA or EGA stuff. The only times I see CGA and EGA used for 15kHz and 24kHz video stuff is on chinkshit adapters some people ask if they can use with their old PCs (which they obviously can't because they don't support TTL RGB).
>misnomer?
Thanks. When I searched for equivalences, I ended up with malapropism, but the meaning of the word didnt fit.
>>3623681
Yes.

Hey /crt/, I've been playing with my CRT monitor a bit and got retroarch running at 3840x480. Which is nice and all but I want the real deal.

My problem is that I'd like to get something that can connect to my PC so I can keep using emulators.

If I get a PVM, would it be hard to go from VGA to RGB?
What other options do I have?

Ive tried playing retro games through my Wii on pic related. I have three Wii and only one would work while using component cables, but they would all work through composite. My DVD player works on it through component but my ps2 does not. Is there something I'm doing wrong or does that TV just suck? BTW, I have two of that same model TV and they both give the same result.

>>3624286

Pic

>>3624286
Did you forget to toggle ypbpr mode ON in your PS2's settings?

>>3624301

Didn't do that for the ps2. It would display and image but it the verticle and horizontal hold was fucked. Also, why would it refuse to work with 2/3 wii.?

Is this a meme? Or does it actually work?

>>3624269
>I want the real deal
>so I can keep using emulators.

Just emulate at 240p 120hz

>>3624348
My CRT monitor maxes at 85Hz

>>3624353
All SVGA monitors display 320*200/240 resolutions at 120Hz.

>>3624371
It says 320x240@60hz(doublescan)

>>3624324
>the verticle and horizontal hold was fucked
You are feeding a 480p signal to a 480i only TV. To reset the Wii to 480i hold DOWN on the Wiimote and hit reset.

>>3624529

Didn't work. The Wii was set for 480i when I checked its settings.

>>3624286
you need to select ypbpr and 4:3 on the ps2. sometimes it can take a second to sync over ypbpr

You need to select 480i and 4:3 on the Wii

>>3624590
make sure the jacks are clean all the systems should be putting out near the same signal voltage so if one works they should all work.

>>3624601

They have all been set for 480i, 4:3. I tested each Wii with an official component cable and madcatz. Only one Wii worked and that Wii worked with both sets of cables and on both TVs.

>>3624428
>>3624371
Okay got it working with scanlines and everything, but whenever I enter fullscreen mode on anything, it goes back to 60hz.

I don't know what I'm doing wrong here.

>>3597542
Help me, my friends.

Pic related is an issue I'm having on my model 1 Genesis. I dont believe its the crt as my other systems dont show this. I get weird vertical color lines through the screen and it looks more blurry then my other systems in composite. I will first post a pic of the screen when its black during gameplay so you can see the bars, then i will post one of the game not during a black screen. Please ignore my reflection, its the only way to see this shit on my camera.

Also, this only happens in composite, with the rf unit, the bars go away...

>>3624657
And heres how the game looks when not on a black screen.

Any ideas brothers?

>>3624630
You wouldn't happen to have an HDTV you could plug into, would you?

>>3624668

Yes I do, and all the Wii's will work in the HD TV whether set in 480i or 480p modr

>>3624657

>> Stupid white Christmas tree
>> Faggy tribal looking tattoo

I found what's wrong with your TV display

>>3624657
Replace the electrolytic capacitors in the composite circuit. If that fixes the problem, then you should probably go ahead and replace all the others as well.

>>3624657
In all seriousness though, the capacitors inside your genesis could be drying up

>>3624657
>>3624664
It's fringing
that's common with MD/Gen over composite (also on svideo but a bit harder to spot).
the higher the board revision, the less it appears, I think model1 VA6.5 and 6.8 got rid of it.
The other solutions are using RGB or using a 32X

>>3624678
So were thinking capacitors eh ... ugh, i did that with my turbo grafx 16. I may just buy another one. Dont want to go through that again.

>>3624679
Are you pretty sure. If 32x will fix this, i may just get one. I have wanted one for a little bit now.

>>3624679
That shouldn't be happening on a black screen.

>>3624683

It might be worth your while to buy a genesis that already had the capacitors replaced since all genesis will suffer this problem in time.

>>3624669
Double confirm that when the component cables are hooked up your consoles are set to 480i.

>>3624687
yes, pretty sure

>>3624693
yes it can

>>3624698

I did

>>3624687
Many Genesis/MD consoles, earlier models in particular, have quite bad composite video quality and heavy artifacting like that is on of the big things that come from it. It's especially noticeable in the waterfalls in Sonic 1(and seemingly CD as well). The reason the 32x works as a fix for this is that it pulls clean RGB from the Genesis and then generates composite video with it's own encoder which is of a higher quality than the one used in many model 1 and 2 consoles.

>>3624713
while 32X encoder is better (it was custom designed by sega), it's more a matter of circuit trace design.

>>3624709
Do you have a different model CRT to hook up to?

>>3624705
Thanks bro, you are the man. Guess ill deal with it till i can order a 32x.

>>3624751
you could also try to get a VA6/6.5/6.8. According to a guide, they don't have rainbow fringing.
Should be easy to spot, most non-HDG are VA6 and above. Just be sure to not pick a VA7, pic related

>2 years ago
>Lived with my parents
>Found this 30" flat screen CRT (panasonic I think)
>Picture was perfect and the built in speakers were the best I've ever heard
>Snagged it for $30
>Loved that TV like a brother
>Moved out and joined the Navy some time later
>Couldn't take it with me
>Parent's house became the world's worst roach motel
>Not big roaches, those really small bastards
>They had to move out and leave almost everything behind because there were always a dozen bugs jammed somewhere
>The place actually stank of roach shit 24/7
>I begged them to save my CRT
>Dad sent me a video of him opening the back of it up
>A pitch black swarm comes running out, scattering everywhere on the porch
>Video pans to the inside, where hundreds of more roaches lay with shit covering every inch of the interior
>Can't find the same model anywhere else because I didn't bother writing the model number down

>>3625404
That's actually fucking disgusting. What's wrong with your parents and why were they such filthy people. This is my greatest fear living in a large metropolitan area. Any tv I pick up I'm worried will be crawling with little roaches

Love my new Saturn. Based Sega and their native RGB output.

>>3625473
They're both very disorganized people.

My mom has no sense of money and my dad can't be bothered to clean up any mess my younger brothers and sister makes. Food crumbs, toys, dog and cat fur, spills, stains, dishes, you name it and it was everywhere in the old house.

They also don't have any sense of personal property.
>14 years old
>Sold my massive PS2 collection and friend's games while I was at my grandma's for a 360 with a copy of just Burnout Revenge
>Worked my ass off a summer to afford and trade off other things I had just to get most of those games
>Had to pay all of my friends back for the missing games they let me borrow

>Last year
>Tried selling my CRT (before the infestation) for a new flatscreen
>They were convinced that it was better for my current PS1 / PS2 collection because 'the screen is bigger' and 'it doesn't matter anyway because you can probably just change the resolution to 4:3 and it'll be the exact same'

I love them, I really do. But their fuckary knows no bounds.

>>3625404
My in-laws have the same problem. I have to get on to my wife about cleaning habits from time to time.
>archer.jpg

>>3625404
Sorry for your loss but god damn did that picture make me laugh at how well it fits your story.

>>3625404
Just did a bit more digging on my old CRT I lost.
I think it's pic related, a 28 inch JVC. I was way off on brand and color.

Any clue what model this could be?

>>3625932
>The owner didn't post the model number on Craigslist in any of the pictures

Très bien

>>3625932
Afraid I have no idea but that TV is gorgeous.

>>3625941
The picture and sound were flawless.

It's $15 but 2 hours away from where my parents live. I'm tempted to give them a couple hundred bucks for gas and food just to grab it.

>Y and C out are reversed on CXA1645 datasheet
FUKEN SONY

>>3625932
>>3625936
The couple selling it tells me it's a av-27770.

Can anyone confirm?

Hi, I'm retarded and don't know anything, but I want to stop being retarded and kinda learn stuff.

Pic related is my model of TV I found on imgur:

https://imgur.com/r/crtgaming/S0flI

Here's what I'm wondering:

Say I take my SNES and do an RGB passthrough on it, so on the back I have RCA outputs for R, G, and B. Could I plug those into the component ports, then through the A/V port on the back of the SNES that's already there, plug in the regular cords that came with my SNES into composite + audio, and have that composite be sync, and audio be audio? Or is sync over composite something completely different that I'm not understanding?

Also, assuming that I'm correct in what I'm thinking, would plugging in S-Video instead of composite be sync over luma?

You may now point and laugh at me

>>3626058
PS, this is assuming that my TV supports RGBs inputs. I don't actually know if it does or not, but I have a splitter that does, and I'm not opposed to buying an RGBs > Component transcriber to plug my splitter into my TV

>>3626035
That's just one issue, the datasheets sure have some errors and other inconsistencies in the schematics and diagrams.
I discovered a bug in the PAL alternate circuit which also exists in the CXA2075, if the end of the VSync is just a single low to high transition then no PAL decoder will show color (or it will flicker badly on old TVs).
Such a CSync signal (ch7) is generated by N64, I worked around it by combining (XOR) HSync and VSync into CSync as the VSync (ch6) is a little shorter.

You don't want to know how long it took me to figure this shit out.

>>3626058
No, that TV doesn't take RGB inputs, just component. You'll have to get an RGB to component transcoder for that to work. Once you do, it should look pretty good. All the models in that line are very good for the size, i've got one myself and it's my favorite 14" display.

>>3626058
The component input on that tv won't accept a pure RGBS signal from a SNES, you would need to transcode RGBS to component YPbPr.

There's a cable that'll do what you want though, check out the HD Retrovision.

>>3624340
There's a short list of graphics cards that would output 480i 15kz composite via the VGA port, and if you have one that's the sorta cable you'd use.

For everyone else, the cable will not do anything. You probably want something like an Extron Emotia

Is a 1354q decent? I wish there was some sort of ranking for these things, then again if such a thing existed I know people would use that for evil

>>3626963
54q are old midrange models. They're fine. I use a 1954q.

>>3626963
I've gotten some of the best images seen off a 1354. Highlight recommended although the several I came into might have had low hour counts

whats the low down on magnavox TV's? a friend of mine has some with the dvd/vhs in them that theyre willing to give to me for free. the pastebin doesnt mention them.

>>3624758
well forget about VA6, I just tried mine and it has quite horrible fringing.
Replacing the 1145 with a 1645 and using a variable cap to adust YTrap allows to lessen it but it's still apparent.
I really have to try a 2075 someday but not existing in DIP format really is bothersome.

Found a kv-40xbr700 Trinitron for free on craigslist, but the problem is that it's 300 plus pounds and 90 miles away. Is it worth it?

>>3627602
>Free kv-40xbr700 Trinitron
Yes you stupid bastard. Shell out the gas monry and take a 4 hour trip getting it.

>>3627614
This is the quality you'll get.

Hop on it now anon before someone else does.

>>3627602
do you have the means to transport it?
do you have anyone to help you move it?
can you fit it in your house?
do you know where you want to put it?
will you actually use it?

>>3627602
>Upscaling cruise-liner anchor with bonus input lag
>worth anything

Any anons in Toms River NJ want to do a bro a massive favor picking up and transporting a set closer to NYC

>>3627602
>HD
Not worth anything

I'm looking into buying a PVM and noticed a lot of them have inputs like pic related. What are these inputs, composite?

>>3627784
Pic related

>>3627784
I don't need a picture to know that you're talking about BNC connectors.

>>3627792

What video format

>>3627798
>>3627791
>>3627784
It's a composite-only monitor.

>>3627803

Well, it won't be RGB, but will it still have a better picture than a typical consumer crt?

>>3627806
Probably worse than a consumer set with s-video. Also a fuck of a lot smaller.

>>3627791
In terms of inputs, especially on higher end displays, "Video" is almost always analogous to composite.

Can anyone explain why a composite-only monitor would need external sync? It doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

>>3627914
This is just spitballing, but these were used in TV studios and the like. To cut between different cameras without making everyone's TVs go black, the cameras need to be using the same sync signal. So there's a single sync signal for everything, including both video inputs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genlock

Found this beauty 30 minutes from where I live. 36 inch Toshiba. Worth it?

>>3627965

I just threw one of those away. I find flat screens that big have really bad geometry issues. Nauseating to play. How's yours?

This is what the penis hog looks on my tv

>>3628062
Whoops, messed up right there

>>3628064
And last one because I know you guys get mad when it's not "scart quality" or whatever. Since its composite

>>3627806
Don't bother.

How does this look?

>>3628146

Contrast is a little high, pretty great otherwise

>>3628164
Yeah, my camera is pretty shit.

not retro but I wonder what Yume Nikki looks like on a CRT monitor.

Is projection TV the biggest mistake ever made?

>Shit for picture
>Always broke
>Warped screens

Seriously, look at this shit.

>61 inches of LED screen
Fucking enjoy 1080i stretched out to impossible proportions. All you'll see is fuzz for miles.

>>3628271
>1080i
>It's a flat screen LED TV
Nigger what are you talking about?

>>3627969
The size of a CRT does not affect its distortions.

I had a 14" flat CRT TV from a good brand (Toshiba) that had problems with linearity (vertical lines appeared curved) and convergence (one corner had rainbowing colors instead of white).

Large CRTs are actually better, brand and type (TV, broadcast, PC) being the same, since they will have the same dot pitch but with a larger screen for more shadowmask/aperture grille giving more RGB subpixels to render more detail.

This is why large TVs have conspicious scanlines and small TVs have faint scanlines (instead of equally sharp but smaller scanlines).

>>3628261
Tell me more.

How do rear projection displays compare to:
CRT
Plasma
LCD
Front projector (display on wall or pull down canvas)

What are the differences between the rear projection sub-types and rank them from best to worst:
CRT
LCD
DLP

My poor friend uses a rear projection for gaming but he has to turn off the lights and sit directly in front because it has very weak light and horrible view angles (standing up is enough to kill your view).

Is this normal for rear projectors is there some part inside that needs to be replaced?