/vr/ - Retro Games

No. Legends 2 is miles better.

Legends 2 and Tron Bonne still hold up, the first game is solid for its time but kind of a chore to play now.

Why do people like these games. They look awkward with shitty cameras, why would anyone play these over any 2d megaman? It just forces the game into 3d, what is 1 good thing.

>>3626659
>That moment when you realize that you're actually supposed to kick the can into the garbage can and get more money for doing so and that kicking cans into the bakery actually shifts your alignment down and the trash can shifts it up
>nothing in the game tells you you have an alignment, or that there's content that opens up when you raise or lower it
>you can destroy buildings, have them rebuilt, find machine gun parts in trash cans, the entire town is filled with waifu tier middle aged robot ladies

Exploring the ruins in that game was also fucking fantastic. 10/10 almost perfect game honestly.

>>3626757
>why would anyone play these over any 2d megaman?

Because they're really nothing alike. Legends has more of Metroid than Megaman.

>>3626659
No it was not. Tron Bonne still is though.

>>3626801
I don't know about 1, but 2 makes it implicit that you have an alignment (some shops will comment on it), and you change colors depending on alignment (darker for evil, lighter for good). IIRC, the best way to lose "karma" in ML2 was to kick Apo/Dah and the pig that lives with them.

There was a market that only sold you stuff if you had the most evil alignment. To get back on the good side, you just had to donate money on the church.

I replayed it and honestly, still pretty fucking great. I remember can't get into Legends 2 though, the tone felt a lot darker and even though we can travel around, the cities/places/islands aren't as fun as Kattlelox.

But fuck the grinding for upgrades though. Fuck it to hell.

>>3626885
1 also have the darker colors for evil alignment.

>>3627127
>1 also have the darker colors for evil alignment.

and by evil alignment we mean petty mischief

>>3626668
>>3626753
>>3626757
played 1 a lot back in the day

tried getting into 2 recently and it felt like chore

>>3626757
>Why do people like these games
nostalgia

>>3626659
Well, it let you read porn magazines so thats a plus i guess...

>>3627297
>That porn magazine item in Tron Bonne

>>3626659
I played it for the first a few years ago. It's a very solid game but it can be a bit clunky.

>>3627320
>>3627297

>>3626757
Can you really compare the two?
If Legends starred anyone else no one would care
The camera is fine, you can set it to the D pad or shoulder buttons to rotate the camera

>>3627320
It also let you see full frontal of Roll and Tron, and at one point walk in on Roll masturbating.

>>3626659
Yeah, the whole Legends franchise is amazing. Legends 1 has the better setting, Kattelox island is 10/10 comfy and late-game the entire cave system becomes interconnected. The sense of exploration and progression is perfectly paced, there's plenty of bosses, and while the transition to 3D isn't as graceful as Mario 64 or OOT it's still very well done.

Legends 2 improves on the controls with full analog support, although you can choose MML1-style controls (which felt more natural to me after spending all of MML1 practicing). Legends 2 is the bigger game, but unfortunately none of the islands make you want to live there like with Kattelox. The combat is more refined, and there are some really impressive enemies. The story goes off the deep end in a few areas, reading wikia articles after finishing the game will really help with understanding exactly what was going on in the last act.

The Legends franchise has a really charming artstyle, and that's probably its strongest selling point. Everything is bright and colorful, the character models are cute, and that helps the game stand out amongst its 5th gen brethren and feel more "timeless". If you can appreciate and love that style enough to try the games, you'll find that while not perfect they are solidly fun all the way through.

How well does legends 1 play on vita?

>>3627484
>Roll masturbating
please post

>>3626885
MML1 had minor dialogue changes with random NPCs from what I remember. Also you could raise alignment from playing on the gameshow. I was a master bubble popper because I needed that fucking zenny ya dig

>>3627750

I just wanted to see Data get himself a new old body and give us a glimpse of Trigger in his prime.

>>3626659
So was legends a separate thing from the main games? I know it takes place very far into the future, but how connected was it to classic, X, Zero, and ZX?

>>3627923
As I understood it, Legends is actually the end of the Megaman storyline, as far as that goes. It takes place long after ZX, and practically everyone in Legends is a decoy / carbon, instead of being an actual human.

The "Purifier Units" in Legends were called Irregular (Maverick) Hunters in Japan.

>>3627946
>practically everyone in Legends is a decoy / carbon, instead of being an actual human.
Literally everyone in Legends is an android or other kind of robot, only one guy who's already dead who only appears in cutscenes is actually human.

The planet isn't even inhabitable by human beings at this point. Even the grass and trees are artificial organisms designed to terraform the environment for humans, intended to be destroyed when the soil, water and atmosphere became usable again.

Only the humans are never coming back.

>>3626659
The setting is Miyazaki-eque, very reminiscent of Laputa.

Don't know of any other series or even game that manages the same tone.

Wish there was a game with a Nausicaa tone.

>>3627985

Panzer Dragoon

>>3627923
>>3627946
>>3627971
One thing I liked when I played some of the Zero series is that a few areas have the "Reaverbot Eye" design on the walls like some of the dungeons in Legends 1.

>>3627998
Haven't played it, but I'll give it a look. Thanks anon.

>>3627985
Crystalis takes ideas from Future Boy Conan, Nausicaa, and Laputa.

>>3627971
A carbon is a (carbon) copy of a human (hence the original term, "decoy"). The main difference is that a carbon can have mechanical parts grafted onto them pretty easily, making them some sort of reverse-Reploid (a humanoid in robot form instead of a robot in humanoid form).

It kinda reminds me of Combat Mecha Xabungle, a mecha show from the 80s. In it, the main characters are genetically engineered humans (Civilians) that were created by the original humans (Innocent) to make Earth inhabitable again. The Innocent couldn't live on Earth's atmosphere anymore, since it became poluted by nuclear fallout (it's implicit that "blue stones" are actually nuclear fallout), so they lived in mega cities or in big domes. They couldn't get out of those protected environments without taking medication, or they would die in a matter of minutes. Just like Master dies in Megaman Legends, when he asks Trigger to take him to the planet.

>>3628018
Played it. While it's a fine game, it doesn't feel like any of those other works, it just feels like it's own thing.

>>3628006
I think there's some mechaniloids that start to look like reaverbots in MMX too

>>3628136
sorry, mean to type MMZ

>>3628052
>A carbon is a (carbon) copy of a human (hence the original term, "decoy"). The main difference is that a carbon can have mechanical parts grafted onto them pretty easily, making them some sort of reverse-Reploid (a humanoid in robot form instead of a robot in humanoid form).
They're absolutely, 100% robots. Bon Bonne is just as much a regular person as Tron and Tiesel. Roll was literally built by her parents because they're actual scientists and engineers. Megaman was found as a "baby", but there's no reason robots can't grow up. They're just robots that are so advanced as to be able to grow and stuff. They're artificial robotic organisms with mechanical parts and cells, they're made of designed nanomachines and tissues that are based on organic compounds and materials. They do not have DNA though, only Trigger has a digital record of that last DNA sequence, but no "DNA" is used in his body.

>>3628160
http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Carbon

I don't remember anything about Roll being built by her parents. Juno's job was keeping Kattelox from being overpopulated, I thought that implied the carbons were capable of sexual reproduction in the same way as humans. There are other babies and kids in the games too. I can't really consider them robots if they're that close to humans

>>3626757
>Why do people like these games.
They have "mega man" in the title.

>>3627750
Uh, I think she was supposed to be changing clothes, bruh.

>>3628449
Female carbons have way less machinery grafted onto them than males. Also, children who grew away from cities (Appo, Dah, their sister) don't have any machinery on their bodies.

>>3626659

Nothing is as good as you remember it anon.

>>3628160
>>3628528

Nice headcannon.

>see pic related at a blockbuster way back when
>oh sweet a 3D mega man game for N64!
>I bet its all in 3D and shit and you jump around like in SM64 except youre also shooting shit
>put game in
>wtf this isnt mega man where is his helmet I thought it was just a boxart thing
>completely different universe, no robot masters no roll or Dr. light just these bland anime archetypes
>why are the controls so shit why do I move like a spastic tank
>why am I going inside these dark bland samey dungeons with metal floors and walls
>and just 1 giant enemy on every occassion I can barely fight because the camera is ass

I cant believe this shit has a fucking fanbade. I imagine Legends is a lot like that subset of Sonic fanboys that idolize the Adventure games: crappy games that are praised because of nostalgia and completely handwaved.

>>3630853
Why do people keep conveniently ignoring the 2nd game fixes the control issues?

>>3630853
Dude you're nuts the controls in MML are fine and a lot better than even some modern 3D games.

Also anybody who hates on spooky ruins is a subhuman monster

>>3630853
>64
lol

>>3628523
Then she wouldn't be screaming "GET OUT NOE" and Megaman wouldn't look absolutely dumbfounded upon seeing her.
Her response is even tamer when you walk in on her showering.

>>3631303
If you think about it, he probably walked in on her doing maintenance with her chassis open and all her parts spread out on the bed

>>3631335
>>3628528
>>3628160
shut up with your headcannon bullshit

>>3631303
>>3627484
legends 1 she was in the bath. legends 2, she was changing.

there is ZERO implication she was masturbating. it just helped you to think so when you were lonely in high school. time to grow up little guy.

>>3631682
I might have that mixed up. but there was one peak per game

>>3631680
this guy is triggered

>>3626659
First hour is kinda shit but past that, it's pretty much a comfy and fun ride.

>>3626668
2 has too much retarded game design.

Did you all get your Class S Nigger License?

I wonder if it really was as difficult as I remember it being. The hardest part was just grasping that you had to use the Lift ability, an ability that I neglected all game, and then getting in the correct range to use it without touching an enemy and being silenced/poisoned (whatever that was that turned you green and stopped you from using the ability anymore)

Hello

>>3632656
I have to live the rest of my life knowing MML3 was a possibility, then was tore up right in front of me.

>>3632656
Stop. Why is everyone at Capcom afflicted with terminal Jewishness? This would of sold like fucking hotcakes if they actually sold it instead of being cheap-asses and expect everyone to buy a fucking demo.

>>3632290
I don't need no safe space. I just need you to stop vomiting bullshit. i'm fuckin' rustled, not triggered.

>>3631685
MML2 kind of creeped me out as a kid.
Like, in MML1, the changing scene is funny and it's played for laughs. But in MML2, it's played for drama and sexual tension, and I'm like... they're 15 year old siblings, what the hell is wrong with Japan?

Anyway, lol at that guy who thought she was masturbating.... you guys have such dirty minds sometimes, I love it. And thanks for reminding me that I need to look for Black Friday sales on things that go buzzzz.

>>3633970
>they're 15 year old siblings
They're not siblings. Roll's diary also implies she loves Megaman, as in a non platonic way.

>>3633970
how are roll and megaman siblings? megaman existed with the last real human thousands of years ago, he has 0 relation to roll.

confusing because this is stated in MML2, which you cite in your post

>>3634248
They even have different last name.

>>3634183

He is kinda her step-brother

>Tank controls
Literally unplayable

>>3634341
You just need to get good.

>>3634183
>>3634248
They grew up together so it's like they're siblings. Siblings not related by blood, it's very moe. It's like incest, but ok because they're not actually related.

>>3634248
Adopted siblings are still siblings. And please don't tell me otaku culture's "not blood related :^)" fetish isn't creepy as hell.

>>3634887
Still not nearly as creepy if they were actually related.

>>3631335
>If you think about it, he probably walked in on her doing maintenance with her chassis open and all her parts spread out on the bed

That's what I said. The m word.

>>3631682
>legends 1 she was in the bath. legends 2, she was changing.

No, in Legends 1 you walk in on her room, Megaman drops his jaws, Roll tells her to GET OUT NOW.
In Legends 2 when you walk in the bathroom, there's a scene where Roll tells you to get out, after which Megaman does a first pump. Legends 1 doesn't even have an accessible bathroom, I think.

Mega Man Legends 1-2 are the greatest games ever made if you used to the controls

>>3633920
Sorry I didn't mean to trigger you by saying I triggered you

>>3626757
>Why do people like these games
I dig the aesthetic, and mega man aside it's a decent game

>>3632512
Explain this "retarded game design" then.

>>3635059
You could say you

Rock Man Triggered him

YEAH

Why is no one pointing out the fact that Data is the one that directs Trigger into barging in on Roll? Fukkin little monkey bro always looking out for his friend/former body