/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3613567
Here's my favorite OP:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbHxJlryPfA
It starts out slow but give it a minute or two because it really helps to hear the build up.

>>3613589
nice meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1YxviFm2P8

>>3613609
That doesn't sound like SNES. Most likely made to sound SNES-like.

>>3613617
shit i didnt mean to link that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyyutNbEgiE&list=PLFB6235F2FF8A933A&index=5

License games got the best music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlZ57mR8fSA

Classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1AeBgalFZk

Another classic.

https://youtu.be/0DHrgwLxbGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2oyweqZ7WM

*farts*[

LO AND BEHOLD FOR THE WORST THE SNES HAS TO OFFER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbWxBwTLGQs&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPVU4jwkFHM&index=13&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ipa94sLlQ&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct3qfNcv9-s&index=18&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hkGd8x-6o&index=19&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXaAG5oDztA&index=25&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_51w2HF2feA&index=26&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DjkUWUVN0E&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNXgtQ2-GBk&index=32&list=PL39577E20E536C854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psp9lxereGk&list=PL39577E20E536C854&index=35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RVZVtuMn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiEfain5LM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmrfSfKHo0A

>>3613617
Then by all means tell me what is "SNES-like" when it uses recorded samples like the SNES.

>>3613653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unMGuGfEO_E

>>3613972
The samples don't abide by the same restrictions as with the real console.

>>3613690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brBQVcf37Xc

HEAVILY UNDERRATED THEME AHEAD

Virtua Racing Replay Theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-zbldrgITU

>>3613992
I can agree with your arguement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxomGCQRgFc

>>3613567

Blazing Lazers on PC Engine.

Be warned, you will get an Orgasm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OquO7XKHDT4&t=13s

>>3614608
32x VR ost isn't underrated.
now the Saturn version on the other hand....

>>3613792

I'm feelin' that Wagyan Paradise track, sounds like Rugrats.

>>3613567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLoX-Ncw0rQ

>>3613589
I unironically like this.

>>3613653
Licensed 1999-2002 GBC games made by Europeans, you mean.

>>3613567
>"chiptunes"

>>3613976
this is raining blood from slayer

https://youtu.be/FiC88ouy5jE

>chiptune thread
>no dubmood
let's fix that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYfgE7yfek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPaHysx1ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPaHysx1ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZU6a2iv1w

>>3616802
>chiptune thread
>no dubmood
let's fix that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYfgE7yfek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPaHysx1ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAo1KGMWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZU6a2iv1w

god damn it
>chiptune thread
>no dubmood
let's fix that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hYfgE7yfek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHPaHysx1ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJAo-1KGMWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbZU6a2iv1w

and another one, this guy is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBtgJ4msYvY

>>3616586

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYJkol00JCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJGLucQ4xYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAa3oHcPoSk&feature=youtu.be&t=38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o933ZnEoKjc&feature=youtu.be&t=29

>>3613567
I don't see a lot of actual chiptunes in this thread.

https://youtu.be/kMjeRLMz7Hc?t=5m2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FwlHYbGRCk&list=PLBBE0619A3F2315CB

>>3617203
is this the best use of the SN76489 ever ?

>>3617236
No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hd8EA9NgXU

>>3617228
Every track of Tyrian is awesome. Also the jukebox function in the Setup is awesome.

>>3617236
Very good track by Jeroen Tel, but this is best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQbh3gHo6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-74T3bnYsaQ#t=541

https://youtu.be/P6Sqxle5N7M?list=PL4E49455C4D9237A6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rebyulHPHI

And this one, sorry i cant find it on youtube http://downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/daikatana-gbc-/05-bgm-05.mp3

>>3617236
>>3617371
>>3617471
Master of Darkness is pretty good imo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBy-pWkDYW0&list=PL5E74BB7D93B124E7&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHjaWPP57EI&index=6&list=PL5E74BB7D93B124E7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzRCYcJMUco&index=8&list=PL5E74BB7D93B124E7

Also
Black Belt/Hokuto no Ken's ost is pretty good too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV2vCoIGj1Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMrOZ6Hk4yc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgVjhTbtzg&index=7&list=PLC654C8FD7FC89851

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbNhADRT4qk

Yuzo Koshiro did some fine work on this game.

>>3616808
There are a great many things in this life.
But there is no cure for bad taste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXgiDpJwGHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh0LGMClffw&index=2&list=RDzXgiDpJwGHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5SlL3Wz3tw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_531814&feature=iv&fmt=18&src_vid=FpIQt5qUHDk&v=QHwhxS-gG50

>>3617952
Why is Master System music so barebones and boring compared to NES music?

Obligatory Cheetahmen theme

https://youtu.be/lkrZmx9hvQE

Also great are Jackal and Guerilla War and Adventures of Lolo III

https://youtu.be/kKkvZt9QGF8

https://youtu.be/AbrW71_Ohxg

https://youtu.be/arv2_x4JYws

>>3617919
Love it

Konami will never be forgiven for killing this great series.

https://youtu.be/iZZOLgg-EFg

>>3618323
>implying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecr8TPvVOkc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7idZjwKz9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LAWQR_3D44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFtQntWvX6w

>>3613648
So good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk8SogGkcXA&list=PLSRvQoc-7SN2N0y10GYx_3Z4OmPxLje9Y

Best fucking Ninja Gaiden game.

>>3618323
Shitty soundchip and I think barely anyone cared about the games they were making. Just listen to this >>3618353 Despite a good soundchip the compositions are just bland, uninpsired and boring.

>>3613567
I almost started a new thread but I felt like adding to yours.

I always thought FM synth sounded more like Queefs rather than Farts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PQaTmQtTUY

>>3618323
the SN76489 is really, really, REALLY basic, 3 squares and one noise
And on top of that, you can't really fully use the 3rd square because of how it interacts with the noise channel.

It is a fabulous companion to the YM2612 but again, few composers made the effort to make it an integral part of musics.

>>>/wsg/1395264

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BdlsqCkRcp0#t=18

>>3618612
>It is a fabulous companion to the YM2612 but again, few composers made the effort to make it an integral part of musics.
I am wondering if any composer ever used that cool bassline the noise channel can produce, as already heard in the Alien track and Cool Spot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTsUowu-hUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXVD6MiJTRo
That is one really cool feature of the SN76489 and if the third channel had been able to produce that sound without cutting of the noise, it would've made a big difference.

But now to some real good shit. Gimmick recorded from real hardware:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTqKtDz9Wd4
Also, Mr Gimmick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCgPKNnmBAo

>>3618835
in landstalker the 3rd square is used for sound effects and dialog sounds (always loved how climax did this to give a voice to characters), and the noise is used for sword swipe, so if you jump and swipe in quick succession you can hear the noise being affected by the 3rd square.
In Sonic games 3rd square is used for only 1 effect, the button beep.
In Rocket Knight Adv, all 3 squares are used but not the noise.

let me know when the snes can put out fat riffs like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0CPxqxPrSg

Chipiest chip there is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVpkon8oOSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgsObE_8HHI

Best ever

Long live the Game Boy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTunASxsA08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVCpNCxaMSc

How about some adlib appreciation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpBQukFY3dU

"chiptunes" have been ruined by indie game faggots

>>3617203
Could have sworn this port was made by Tekmagic.

https://youtu.be/bBwfQ2rcbqc?t=1m12s
https://youtu.be/bBwfQ2rcbqc?t=8m32s

>>3613567
>good tunes
That's a matter of personal preference, are you trying to start a fight?

>>3617236
https://youtu.be/Hn6i8UjFEWQ?t=3832
>tfw nobody has dumped the Ys SMS OST on jewtube yet

>>3618323
It is the only component Sega didn't upgrade from their SG-1000 console. It's quite interesting comparing SG-1000/SC-3000 OST to Master System OST and realizing they use the same soundchip.
Anyway, when the NES launched alongside the SG-1000, the NES was much more powerful in every respect, even sound. Add in the fact that the Famicom supported additional hardware and audio channels through cartridges and the SG-1000 was beat. Sega rectified this only with the FM Sound addition and Jap SMS, but those worked like the PS4 Pro; improvement for some games, worse for others, and mostly no support at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-GwM-KOWAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHEIaXp4EM8

most people only played the snes and n64 games but goemon had some good chiptunes too

>>3613792
Fuck you, thats kawaii as fuck.

>>3625232
I was being sarcastic idiot

>>3625331
rude

>>3613992
I've been wanting to know for a long time: What were those restrictions? How did the sample engine/MIDI-like work?

>>3614608
You want underrated? Have this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGY4FMkupJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUxdmWtnKgA
this is horribly fun to play on piano, especially with the 1:1 replica genesis FM synth presets i have

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYS66ZWrxWg

https://youtu.be/MIlEqDMqAaI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynw6IZvg9fc

Puffy's Saga - C64

>>3622925

how so? just look for the ones made by real chip enthusiasts like these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S03u_j9kCZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C2l2wRNdEI

>>3626876

64KB audio ram

>>3626876
>>3628915
I looked it up and it's really weird: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Super_NES_Programming/SPC700_reference
The sound samples aren't 16-bit, they're 4-bit, but there are headers after every 8 bytes that can affect how the next 16 samples are played, and they don't have many options.

>>3613648

HHNNNGGG

We need to make synth-grunge a thing

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL92E73FD91764173B

good thread

Kenichi Hiirata should be a name immortalized, but his work which largely focused on one series of games is unfortunately neglected. The Cotton series of cute 'em up shooters has amazing music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_VZjVnLfi4

>>3613589
This game, as well as its music, both suck, but I still somehow enjoy them a little...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy8NtCKEHOc

>>3613662
Damn, even the waveforms look satisfying

>>3614608
>Virtua Racer on the 32X
>underrated music

Nah, it's pretty well known for its soundtrack

bump

https://youtu.be/pLaJliu2_pI

>>3632083

Thanks for this.

How does chiptune even work?

They record some real sounds and the chip can modify the pitch somehow? Then the programmer "just" puts the sounds in their appropriate order/pitch/envelope configurations?

>>3618593
>>3632083
i agree

>>3637476
thats sampling. snes did that. chiptune music usually has pure sine/saw wave tones that are manipulated.

>>3613609

Wow

I really, really hate this

>>3637516
You mean you can actually synthesize any sound with a chip that's essentially just doing a bunch of maths?

"Chiptunes" always feel unmistakably electronic, to the point its become part of the aesthetic. Can these chips somehow synthesize sounds that are exactly like real instruments? Guitars? Piano?

It's probably a uneducated beginner question but I've been asking myself this for the longest time

>>3638921
chiptunes most of the time reffer to basic wave shapes, square, triangle, sawtooth, white noise.
But sometimes samples are also part of chip music. The SID for example can only use square, triangle, sawtooth and noise, but by altering volume you can make it produce an audible click, and some composers used it to play samples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XetgpWY7WOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdfY_gZuDsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM5Wh7byZwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdY4EKAcW4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szr0TSXcWok

>>3639263
>professor g

Not chiptune but I'll leave it here anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huDA6BNONKY

>>3638921
The basic soundwaves, triangle, square/pulse, saw, sine, in their purest forms are rich in overtones (with the exception of sinewave which contains no overtones). What most basic soundchips aren't able to do is soundsculpting (rounding off overtones) with a filter and emphasizing the cutoff. A real instrument such as a violin can be approximated with a saw wave, a flute with a square wave, filtering out the overtones not present and boosting the frequency range the instrument tends to resonate. This is a crude way of doing it because if you look at a spectragram you'll realize that it has several of these sections.

By having a bank with several filters you could get a much more accurate impression (I saw some one do this on youtube, they took a Jupiter 8 horn pad and ran it through the memorymooog's multiple filters to produce a very good sounding horn section, they also did it for woodwinds, both are really hard instruments to synthesize. Can't find the video.) What you also need is to simulate how the sound vibrates through the body if it has a resonant chamber like a violin or guitar as well as the space its in (reverb). A piano is difficult because the strings not being played will vibrate in sympathy with eachother. Then there are things like vibrato and dynamic expression to consider as well. So it is possible, just requires more technology than vintage computer sound chips are capable of.

Found the video, it was a polymoog, not memorymoog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XUiJi5153Y

Here's some one using a theremin and a talkbox (basically shifting filter) that gets pretty close to approximating the human singing voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOxMWCgfU8

>>3618323
the lack of a clock divider to lower the fucking pitch means that devs couldn't have any bass, keeping songs in ugly twittering ranges, preventing using the square for useful drums, etc
the Sonic games on the machine have great soundtracks though

>>3618612
you can use the third square however you want, it's programmably linked to the noise channel, and most games just leave it unlinked almost always

you can configure it to sync its playback rate to the noise channel, which is really useful with periodic noise mode (which IIRC, no game actually uses) which allows the noise channel to be a low pulse width tone channel (and you can have some semblance of bass with it).

unless you're talking about something else, but SMS games pretty much constantly use all four channels at once

Ron Hubbard's works on the c64 rocks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIA_0cvS2gQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrQuR1LHAVI

>>3619267
>Genesis music isn't garbage guys!
>always post the only game with ok-ish music in the system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45xpqOPbFdQ

>>3639749
>periodic noise mode (which IIRC, no game actually uses)
Alien 3 ?
>SMS games pretty much constantly use all four channels at once
That's true.
MD games however tend to use 2 square + noise, or use the 3rd square for very specific sounds.
RKA uses all 3 squares but not the noise.
Sonic use the 3rd for button/score beep only
Landstalker use the 3rd for jump and dialog sounds and the noise for sword swipe, so by jumping and swiping in succession you can hear the square being affected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwANhLpT25Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQSsq7HCNHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdRNN9idJ0g

>>3620795

>>3619267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjKrUc_EalM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nYwTSkr0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnncLWenZnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGmanK-VK1M&index=2&list=PLuGdUcbPv0j-USHow5Sb1PTJ76rUa42j5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYudR8w5mvQ&list=PL-vD6rIjXrcJgl2GOHMeUxeHA4Zr4xyOh&index=11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKC-VTCZp2A&list=PL-vD6rIjXrcI2BgpSOr1n02VhHMxyD95d&index=11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUGDp39srk0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZOQ8sLO-vU

>>3619267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RVZVtuMn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TiEfain5LM

>>3619267
>fat riffs
more like FART riffs amrite xdxdxd

>>3620795
Came here to post this. Incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmgMtQ6erI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRaEF-toqtQ

The Hamtaro game of all things has great music.

>>3641475
As much as I love mystic quest, none of those guitar samples really match thunder force IV's 4 channel FM guitar. At least not in terms of punch, and you know it. SNES can do some things really well, but it very rarely is able to hit as hard as the genesis.

https://youtu.be/uzPOwwNSOQM?t=985

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBTFz5mplAU

musha is especially good with some new instrumentation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwCg8FicKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMVejnk5bvs

>>3640726
one chosen out of many for a specific reason. SNES' ram limitations make it hard to use high fidelity samples.
There are dozens of games with good music on the system anyway.

Always had an unhealthy obsession with the Mega Drive's soundchip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb8i6DBi4DE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isSK4rYq_6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBIK10qV6Og

>>3642239
32X is cheating, since most of the time it's just streaming the track and effects.

>>3642246
snes is essentially the same

>>3642287
no, it's closer to famicom expansion audio, where you can inject anything into the audio out.

>>3642296
so famicom expansion chips are out?

>>3640726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5bky3C02k

I always thought this to be the best genesis music. Every song sounds fantastic.

>>3642298
famicom sound go in the cartridge, then come back to the board, to then be output. Games without expansion audio just bridge the 2 cart pins.
games with audio expansion mix original audio with their sound, but they could also ignore original audio altogether.
the md is similar, it has 2 audio pins coming from the cart that get mixed into the final audio. I was never used with MD carts, but it was with the 32X. After Burner 32X tracks are just streamed like an audio CD, they're literally arcade perfect.

>>3642317
a joke

>>3642304
I don't think I ever heard of this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ioIOtF1XLg

>>3639284
It's chiptune. It just ain't PSG. A lot of PS1 music is also chiptune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46RY4PU8a8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGq0X2cjWpg

>>3618337
https://heosphoros.bandcamp.com/track/cheosmen-ii-cheetah-men-ii-overworld

>>3642304
The composition is good, but the genesis had way better than this.

>>3615351
I mean this with absolute sincerity, the PC Engine was the greatest 8-bit system of all time. Not including the SNES bullshit 16-bit pseudo color cycling, nothing beat their max on screen until the Neo Geo came along. Add CD-ROM with 16-bit stereo PCM and this thing was so boss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV5TvOlKsj4

>>3642304
This is the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5R1yT1Al7s&index=6&list=PL3B463E895755BD50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT6pYvAkJcA&index=8&list=PL3B463E895755BD50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEi0YPpttf0&list=PL6BF9D9160C8EEB5D&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMfLhDFT8Uk&list=PLC07EBC6571E991CD&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkiIXuzoSaE&index=9&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic7I9t33Al4&index=25&list=PL6akIKaXBeU2tDQ_noLTYwLrcTU-KxupT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVHsT5Y7SaU&index=6&list=PL4DD42291C45671A5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdVHy52kuaM&index=8&list=PLE02mV8Q-sEPTnN4CgCtO_CqbytK_UXIR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qXwFfQ0Fw&list=PLE02mV8Q-sEPTnN4CgCtO_CqbytK_UXIR&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SCoN3dHVOI&list=PLE02mV8Q-sEPTnN4CgCtO_CqbytK_UXIR&index=12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX0E_HvpKC4&list=PLE02mV8Q-sEPTnN4CgCtO_CqbytK_UXIR&index=14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BrNnR3c_ZA&index=17&list=PLE02mV8Q-sEPTnN4CgCtO_CqbytK_UXIR