/vr/ - Retro Games

>>3608440

PS1 Guilty Gear didn't really run so hot. And frankly no one really gave a fuck about it till X anyways.

It sort of is, having a powerful background processor and slightly more VRAM is a fairly substantial advantage.

PS1's GPU is faster at putting out sprites though, I can give it that.

Guilty Gear on PS1 is a jumbled mess of pixels. You should really pick your battles smarter shitposter-kun

>>3608447
I was surprised how decent it looked myself. I bet you've only emulated it, the game looks fine at 240p.

Reminder Sonyggers: PSX is good at neither 2D nor 3D.

>>3608440
That game is a pixelated mess, even more when you play it, OP kys asap.

>>3608479
thx 4 da info bitchass have a 2.5d for life

>>3608440
idiot Saturn kills the psx at 2d games see
street fighter alpha 1 2 and 3
marvel super heroes
xmen children of the atom
street fighter vs x men and marvel super heroes

>>3608510
Nope. PSX better

>>3608479
thanks segadildo

>>3608515
if you love load times with your fighting games

>>3608440
Miserable Saturn's power.

Meanwhile, on the Saturn.

Are there any games that are ported to both but where the Saturn version looks better?

>>3608554
Rayman?

>>3608479
Nah, but it is good at actual games tho.

>>3608598
When you release 10x the games as the competitor, you better hope you have at least half as many good games as your competitor.

>>3608639
>Saturn have good game

Could the Playstation run this game?

>>3608554
>Are there any games that are ported to both but where the Saturn version looks better?

Every Capcom fighter
Dead or Alive
most if not all shmups (some have less slowdown on the Playstation though)

>>3608678
good lies

>>3608678
>all shmups

>>3608687
>capcom fighters don't have missing sprites and the marvel games aren't totally gimped

>>3608596
Only the final boss of Rayman looks better on Saturn. Other than that, the PS1 version actually has extra background layers on some stages.

>>3608554
Silhouette Mirage

Duke 3d had better lightning on Saturn as well, as well as perspective correct lookspring. PSX version however looked closer to the PC version, due to using the same engine while the Saturn game was rebuilt from ground up.

>>3608678
>Dead or Alive
anon..

>>3608454
>I bet you've only emulated it,
I've owned the game since it was new. Try again.

>>3608726
Good job posting a static image. the PS1 version runs at a much shittier framerate.

>>3608749
>MUH 60 FPS
I bet for you VF2 is still the best beat'em up ever

>>3608726
The Saturn one runs in hi-res, with higher quality textures, has all of the ground visible instead of just the immediate vicinity, the polygons have minimal to no polygon jitter, and the explosions are 3d fireballs instead of 1 large sprite.

The PSX one has... coloured shading and more detailed shadows. That's it.

Saturn one is so much better that they used it as the basis when porting the game to Xbox in DOA Ultimate. PSX version was quietly forgotten.

>>3608757
>I bet for you VF2 is still the best beat'em up ever

No, Streets of Rage 2 is the best beat'em up ever. A lot of Capcom games come close though.

And VF2 is indeed one of the best VS fighting games. There are other great ones, but VF2 is god tier.

>>3608749
But Saturn version look like piece of shit.

>>3608768
Only on screenshots.

In motion, the Playstation is an untextured wobbly mess of polygons that looks like it could fall apart at any time. PSX version only "looks" better because of the light shading, but in-game the Saturn is way the fuck better.

>>3608554
Thunder Force V.

Yeah it is.

So what is the best looking 2D game on it?

>>3608816
>So what is the best looking 2D game on it?

On the Playstation, probably SOTN.

On the Saturn, um... good question, I'd say Cotton Boomerang, it has okay animation, shitload of gigantic sprites, and special effects up the wazoo. Some levels on it have like 4 layers of transparent backgrounds, plus transparent sprites.

>>3608816
For Saturn?

>Radiant Silvergun
>Princess Crown
>Island of the Seven Winds Story
>Cotton Boomerang
>Sonic R

>>3608554

Earthworm Jim 2. Saturn has additional effects/scrolling on the background that PS version lacks.

>>3608831
Radiant Silvergun and Sonic R have predominantly 3d graphics.

Princess Crown and Nanatsu Shima no Monogatari have pretty sprite animation but NOTHING ELSE. They have static, single layer backgrounds.

Radiant Silvergun did use some sick nasty 2d background effects though. My favourite was the turtle boss in the Saturn version, with the per pixel vertical parallax scrolling.

>>3608757
It's a fighting game fuckwad. 60 FPS is important.

>>3608786
>but in-game the Saturn is way the fuck better.
Get out of here Itagaki.
The Saturn version is the shittier of the three.

>>3608758
The polygons are also way better on PS1, the only thing better on Saturn are the 2D backgrounds, which is to be expected since it handles 2D better.

>Saturn one is so much better that they used it as the basis when porting the game to Xbox in DOA Ultimate. PSX version was quietly forgotten.
I didn't know there was a Xbox port of DOA1, too bad they ported the Saturn version and not the much superior Model 2 release. DOA PS1 isn't the same game anyway, it was called DOA Plus.

>>3608749
>>3608978
DOA PS1 runs at 60 fps you stupid fuck

>>3609015
>The polygons are also way better on PS1,

No they aren't.
The shading fucks up all the colours on them, they look all smudged. You can't even tell if Kasumi is wearing any tights or if she's just naked, because the colours blend together too much. Saturn version just looks much sharper.

>the only thing better on Saturn are the 2D backgrounds, which is to be expected since it handles 2D better.

Ironically it also has 3d explosions, unlike the PSX version that uses a single sprite. Maybe if they used the 3d explosion, they would've had enough VRAM to make the textures look less like a N64 game.

>>3609038
In Kasumi it's a bit weird but with other characters the colors/lightning look a lot better, especially clothing. Also the models are bigger and more impressive, in Saturn they look like midgets at times.

>>3609038
>smudged

PS1 uses Gouraud shading, Saturn uses flat shading

>>3609017
Not without slowdown.

>>3609038
>I have no idea what Im talking about: The Videogame: The Movie: The Animated Series: The Videogame: The Post

>>3608479
>Remind Sonyggers: PSX is good at neither 2D nor 3D.

This thread is now post must own games the Saturn never got.

Final Fantasies
Resident Evil 2
Soul Calibur
Tekken
Gran Turismo 2

>>3608695

Remember how great this looked on the Saturn?

>>3609512
>>3609513
Oh boy, here comes the SonyIDF.

Sorry your parents were too poor to buy you a Saturn and imports, kid.

>>3609521

It's okay to be angry. You missed a lot of great franchises.

What was the Japanese Import equivalent of this game?

>>3609529
>tony hawk
>great
kek

>>3609538
>Tony Hawk sucked.

from wiki:

The first five games in the series received critical acclaim for their unique gameplay and varied soundtracks. Pro Skater 2 was met with widespread critical acclaim and commercial success. According to GameRankings, it is one of the highest rated video games of all time and one of the highest ranking video games of fifth generation for PlayStation, holding the score of 94.75%.[51] It also holds a score of 98, making it one of the highest rated video games of all time across all consoles and platforms, on Metacritic, ranked second behind The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.

You prefer unique puzzle games?

>>3609550
>I can't back up my own opinions so I'll just copy paste from Wikipedia
but get this, this is even better
>citing gaming journalists

Poor you, it must be so hard being braindead.

>>3609551

Do you think Capcom supported the PSX or the Saturn more?

saturn has no games

>>3609551

Capcom was probably the only publisher who left out the Saturn when releasing big name sequels like Resident Evil 2.

>>3609565
By RE2 the Dreamcast was already out, so there was no need to release a Saturn version.

Do you even know anything about videogames outside of your shitty Sony sphere?

>>3609581
Where Saturn version RE2?

>>3609581

>By RE2 the Dreamcast was already out, so there was no need to release a Saturn version.

Resident Evil 2 Release PSX: Jan 21, 1998
Dreamcast Japan Launch: Nov 27, 1998
Dreamcast console US launch: Sept. 9, 1999
Resident Evil 3 PSX release: Sept. 22, 1999
Dreamcast console EU launch: Oct. 14, 1999
RE Code Veronica Dreamcast release: Feb. 3, 2000
PS2 NA launch: Oct. 26, 2000
Resident Evil Code Veronica X PS2: Mar. 29, 2000
Resident Evil 2 Dreamcast port: Dec. 15, 2000

But the Saturn had better "arcade style" releases because it was for the hardcore audience, right?

>>3609512

>Soul Calibur

That's a Dreamcast game.

Anyway, this thread is now post must own games the PlayStation never got.

Panzer Dragoons
House of the Dead
Last Bronx
Virtua Fighter 2
Sega Rally

>>3609616
It's not great games. Average and low tier.

>>3609685

You mean this ones? >>3609512

I dunno, RE2 was pretty great.

>>3609685
>Virtua Fighter 2
>average and low tier

>>3609710
Sorry you right.
VF2 - shit tier.

>>3609616

>Soul Calibur is on Dreamcast

My mistake I meant the original, Soul Blade.

Must own games the Playstation never got:

Panzer Dragoon ---> On PS2
House of the Dead ----> On PS2
Last Bronx ---> On PS2
Virtua Fighter 2 -----> On PS2
Sega Rally ----> On PS2

Those games are hardly "must own" too. Maybe VF2. This will be a pretty small list, anyway.

>>3610124
Oh, you want exclusives, huh?

>Panzer Dragoon Saga
>Bulk Slash
>Guardian Force
>Assault Suit Leynos 2
>Keio Flying Squadron 2
>Fighters Megamix
>Final Fight Revenge
>Blast Wind
>Shining Force III
>Clockwork Knight 2
>Psychic Killer Taromaru
>Enemy Zero

All very good and highly fun games.

>>3608479
Neither the PS1 nor Saturn does "real" 3D anyway.

>>3610192
Right. That's why N64 master race won that gen when it came to 3D gaming.

>>3610201
>10 fps

>>3610206
cum again?

>>3610124

>Panzer Dragoon ---> On PS2

A really bad port, sadly. Same with Nights, both games got fucked controls.
Also, Panzer Dragoon Zwei is still Saturn-exclusive.

>>3610206
12fps with the rampack

>>3610208
exactly how many games were above 10 fps?

>>3610206

>5th gen general

>>3610124

>My mistake I meant the original, Soul Blade.

In that case

>Soul Blade
>must own

Also

>5th gen Final Fantasies
>must own

>Resident Evil 2
>on playstation

>Tekken
>when Virtua Fighter exists

>Gran Turismo
>must own

>my face to all of that

>>3610213
actually rampack games usually ran at worse framerates than non-rampack

>>3610149
>You want exclusive, huh?

Well that is what one of the Saturn apologists said. "Must own Saturn games the playstation never got."

>Panzer Dragoon Saga
Expensive != must own. So must own it never got a re-release on the Dreamcast. Except for PS2, which did get Panzer Dragoon.

>Bulk Slash

2D mech game only in Japanese with FMV schoolgirl yelling every 2 seconds. Nah thanks, I'll stick to Armored Core Series, Krazy Ivan, and Warhammer. So must own it never even got a US release.

>Guardian Force

A 2D Jap only shooter. PSX had plenty of shooters as I remember. Again, so must own it was never released on dreamcast.

>Assault Suit Leynos 2
Jap only never re-released on Dreamcast because it wasn't a good game.

>Keio Flying Squadron 2

Bland 2D shooter where you take control of a preteen girl in a playboy bunny outfit riding a dragon. Only must own if you are a pedo.

>Fighters Megamix 2

What is a shitty DOA style fighting game that is nothing more than VF2 characters + Fighting Vipers characters. Didn't really get into it because I was playing this little known series called Tekken at the time. Maybe you heard of it. Again, this is what Saturn fans call "must own."

>Final Fight Revenge

You know why Final Fight 3 for SNES is so expensive? It's because people were already sick of the series and didn't buy it. Probably second best game you listed, though.

>Blast Wind

Another generic 2D shooter that never saw a US release. Haven't we already been down this road already?

>Shining Force III

Finally you picked a good game. I don't know if I'd say "must own" though. Even Shining Force fans agree that it's skipable. Best game you listed.

>Clockwork Knight 2

Literally never a good game. This game is a step backwards from even SMB3 as far as the platformer genre goes. Donkey Kong Country looks better than it, has better music, and it was a generation before the Saturn.

>Psychic Killer Taromaru

A garbage action game. (Too be Continued)

>>3608537
gay weebshit

>>3610309

hot opinions, champ.

>>3610309
>Except for PS2, which did get Panzer Dragoon.

See: >>3610209

Also Zwei > PD1.

>>3610309
>game must be released in the US for it to be a must own

jesus how stupid can you get?

>>3610149

>Psychic Killer Taromaru

Again garbage action game with mechanics not used really in any other fighting game because they are awkward. Half the time you're shooting at fireballs because the developers couldn't be bothered to create actual enemies. So must own it never got a US release.

>Enemy Zero

Like the original D with so little gameplay it is a walking simulator. Survival horror in space. Cyberia and D are better than this game and since those aren't must own, neither is this crap.

Is that all you got Saturn apologists? Dated pedo uninspired JAP only shooters and Shining Force III?

I just feel sorry for how few games your system got, the quality of those games, and the lengths you went to buy crap.

>>3610321
>>3610309

Only /v/ Sonyggers would write such long posts shitposting wrong opinions.

>>3610316
>Why do must own games have to be released in multiple regions?

Because when not even the company feels it is "must own" enough to get translated, let alone re-released, it is pretty good evidence the game is shit.

There was literally never a time where Sega was the market leader or benchmark for gaming. This is coming from somebody who likes Sega games so much I even own a 32X.

>>3610328
>Because when not even the company feels it is "must own" enough to get translated

>>3610324
dang he sure showed whos boss in town ai

>>3610328
>Because when not even the company feels it is "must own" enough to get translated, let alone re-released, it is pretty good evidence the game is shit.

No, the only thing it tells you is that the company did not see it profitable to bring it over. Usually due to the fact that it would not sell in big enough numbers to recuperate the cost of localization and logistics; which can be due to
- localization having a high cost due to the game being too complex (like a RPG)
- localization having a high cost due to source code being lost and translation needs reverse engineering (Magic Knight Rayearth took 2 years to bring over because of that)
- not enough potential buyers due to poor console sales
- not enough potential buyers because the game style is not popular in this area

For example, on the Saturn you have less than 1/10th of the market in America, so why the fuck should they bring over anything but the most popular titles that have the potential to sell the most. Or, for the N64, they can't bring shit over because carts cost too much, and they can't afford the risk. Or they can't bring over Idolmaster because puritan americans would think that it is pedophilia simulator.

>There was literally never a time where Sega was the market leader or benchmark for gaming.

Genesis had 60% of the market in 92-94. SNES only caught up in sales because it got AAA titles many years later, when the Genesis was already canned.

>>3610328
>Because when not even the company feels it is "must own" enough to get translated, let alone re-released, it is pretty good evidence the game is shit.

This must be one of the weakest and most obvious baits I've seen on /vr/ so far.

Not gonna lie it's painful to see PS1 and Saturn fans argue since I love them both. Can't we just be friends?

PS1 has overall better library but Saturn is nice too, just not as many games.

>>3610328
>let alone re-released

ahahahahahahahahaha holy shit what a moron.

>>3608440

Please don't use a cool series like Guilty Gear for your console war shitposting.

>>3610328
>There was literally never a time where Sega was the market leader or benchmark for gaming
t. retarded millenial piece of shit

>“Once Virtua Fighter was out, the direction of the PlayStation became instantly clear” - Shigeo Maruyama
>“With great timing, Sega saved our hides" - Shigeo Maruyama
>“If it wasn’t for Virtua Fighter, the PlayStation probably would have had a completely different hardware concept" "“What if we make the PlayStation using 2-D hardware? Such an idea was seriously considered” - Ryoji Akagawa

>>3610309
>>3610321
So this... is the power... of Sonydronism.

>>3610309
Keio Flying Squadron 2 isn't even a shooting game...

>>3610312
I'd fuck that witch.

>>3610309
>>3610321
holy fucking kek i can't hold all these fallacies

>>3610358

>Must own games might not be translated or re-released on other consoles because management is stupid.

Ah yes, the it's one Jew's fault at SOA why the Saturn failed idea. Like Sega was sitting on a bunch of A+ titles that would have vaulted it to number 1. Those titles all sold shit even in Japan that were mentioned. They would have sold worse in US/EU.

>localization is expensive, which is why they weren't released.

It is a tiny fraction of a cost to localize that it is to develop a new game. It is also a fraction of a cost to release on different hardware, like the Dreamcast or PS2. Face it. People who knew the business better than you crunched the numbers and thought the games unworthy of better consoles or localization.

>They didn't release it because there weren't enough Saturn/Dreamcast/PS2 owners.

Shit argument because there were tons of PS2 owners. Also shit argument for Saturn/Dreamcast because people buy the system for the games. If the game is good enough people will buy the system.

>Not enough buyers because the game is not popular in entire regions.

Kinda defeats the moniker of "must own" then.

>>3610418

>Can't we just be friends.

Not anymore. People have been shitting on the far superior Playstation for months because they are hipsters who feel like playing crap games from Japan is cool.

It's time to give these people a dose of reality.

>>3610480

>You're a millenial retard.

Guess again.

>Quoting people praising Virtua Fighter.

Virtua Fighter was a great game. That's a far cry from saying that Sega was the benchmark of arcade games at the time--which they weren't. They weren't even the best at fighters. That title went to Capcom and Midway.

>>3610751
>If the game is good enough people will buy the system.

Not if the system is too expensive and if they can get 2 almost as good games for the same price on another system.

>>3610498
>Keio is not a shooter.

Funny how you don't mention anything about it being a game for pedos. You don't challenge that it is for crazy child fuckers, but that it isn't a shooter.

Okay, it's not a pure shooter. It's a quasi shooter made for weird people who wanna fuck preteen children.

>>3610754
Keep shilling for Sony then. I will be enjoying all these great games on all systems because I'm not a butthurt poorfag who couldn't afford a Saturn back in the '90s and still holds a grudge over it to this day.

>>3610757
>That's a far cry from saying that Sega was the benchmark of arcade games at the time--which they weren't.

Model 1-2-3 were by far the most powerful arcade hardware of the era and Daytona USA is to this day the highest grossing arcade game. I'd say that makes them the benchmark of arcade games.

>>3610757
>They weren't even the best at fighters. That title went to Capcom and Midway.

Capcom was only the best at 2d fighters.
Midway? Really?

>>3610763
It's not even a quasi shooter. It's a platformer that has something like 2 bonus stages where you can fly and shoot crap. And it's about as much of a pedo game as Super Mario is a game for drug addicts with all the mushrooms in it that make you higher.

>>3610776

>Daytona USA is the highest grossing arcade game ever.

HA. Are you fucking joking. Ever heard of PacMan? Space Invaders? Street Fighter. It's not even in the top 20. Google it.

More proof Saturn fans have no fucking clue what they are talking about.

>>3610757
>They weren't even the best at fighters
Except VF were the best 3D fighters retard, only Tekken coming close.

>That's a far cry from saying that Sega was the benchmark
Except VF1 was the benchmark that pushed a new 3D era retard, did you even read the quotes you stupid fuck?

>Midway
>good fighting games
kill yourself

>>3610312
>gay weebshit

Compared to Guilty Gear? Have you looked at the promo art for GG? Bridget!? Really, man learn to pick your battles

>>3608758
>PSX version was quietly forgotten.

Definitely not, it served as the base of Dead of Alive ++, which is the best version of the original game.

>>3610840
>which is the best version of the original game.
No idea about gameplay-wise but graphicwise it's shit compared to Model 2.

>>3610791

>Midway fighting games suck because I say so.

2 of the Top 10 highest grossing arcade games of all time. Virtua Fighter isn't on that list.

Midway completely changed the entire video game industry. Everybody had their own 2D Mortal Kombat clone. You probably just don't know about it because E-Celebs don't talk about them because of the gore.

Do you have any idea how many copies of that game were sold even on crap systems like the Saturn. Compare that to all your shitty Jap import games. Maybe you just have shit taste.

>>3610775

I'm not shilling for anybody. I'm laying down the truth. I've put up about 10 A+ series and supposedly all that you hipsters douchebags can come up with is 2D shooters that couldn't even sell well in Japan.

>>3610874
>being this delusional
Retarded americans will buy anything flashy with blood on it, they don't care about good gameplay, that's the reason no one gave a shit about crappy Mortal Kombat in Japan while VF was fucking huge you stupid piece of shit.

>Do you have any idea how many copies of that game were sold even on crap systems like the Saturn.
Way below VF2 that's for sure you mongoloid.

>>3610884
>Retarded Americans...
Where the fuck are you from?

>Mortal Kombat is shit gameplay

Still regularly populated online for multiple remakes and regularly played in fighting game tournaments, unlike ANY version of Virtua Fighter.

>>3610893
So? a shit game with more playerbase is still a shit game. And VF series is pretty popular on Japan which is the only fanbase of FTG that matters, not those kusoplayers who waste their time on crappy games like MK2.

>>3610843
Yes, I'm talking gameplay-wise, it plays almost like a hypothetical Dead or Alive 1.5, it's very fluid.

>>3609043
>Also the models are bigger and more impressive, in Saturn they look like midgets at times.

They're of similar size, the resolution makes them different (larger on the Saturn, taller on the PS1). Saturn version runs at 704x480i and the PS1 version runs at 512x480i.

>>3610880
>shitting on 2D shooters

Tasteless fags aren't welcome on /vr/.

>>3610905
best part is that he keeps posting normie games for kids like trying to impress us lol

>>3610757
>Guess again
Not that anon but can I play? A millennial with an IQ of 70?

Could we just all talk about the Saturn again?

>>3610893
>Still regularly populated online for multiple remakes and regularly played in fighting game tournaments, unlike ANY version of Virtua Fighter.

That's just a territorial thing. VF is still played in Japan, while MK is not.

>>3611228
>VF is still played in Japan, while MK is not.
Because they can't you retarded cunt

>>3611239
They can, they just choose not to play shitty western games, american arcades games are a fucking joke

>>3611470
hipster pls

>>3610893

Mortal Kombat is more popular in the west the VF. But MK is fucking trash. Only reason it got popular was cause of the gore. Try playing the originals now and honestly tell me theyre good.

Street Fighter 2 shit all over it. The new ones are dial-a-combo bullshit with edgy fatalities

>>3610531
>implying this whole thread isn't filled with fallacies to begin with

>>3611475
I think the word "weeabo" fits his description more. Not that it changes anything about the stupidness of his statement.>>3611470

>>3611239
I'm not sure in exactly what way you're retarded but I've played MK in Japan so can confirm you're full of shit.

>>3610880

>I'm not even shilling

But you are.
Also stop posting multiplats that aren't even good on PlayStation.

>>3611109

Sonydrones and people who are too poor to afford a Saturn don't want to.